




Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 09:26:27 -0500 (EST)
From: DLister891@AOL.COM
Subject: Languages. (N O - Not Origami)

On 21st,February, Gail (Jaelle) wrote:

"I speak Irish Gaelic and American. To me English is different. It is what the
British speak. Similar, but still different."

My excuse for taking up this non-origami topic is that Origami-L has succeeded
in bringing together paperfoldiers from many parts of the world and has made
us conscious of our differences in language. I promise not to make a habit of
this!

The implication of what Gail wries is that what the people of the United
States of America speak should be called "American" and what the British speak
should be called "English".

I don't think that would work at all. America is more extensive than the
United States (That is why they named it "Origami USA", instead of "Origami
America", which was Michael Shall's original idea.) In other parts of America,
they speak Spanish and Portugese and even (in Tierra del Fuego), Welsh, apart
from countless native languages. Even in the United States millions of people
speak in their homes,a first language other than English, although many of
them, but by no means all, are also fully fluent in English.

English in its generic sense is a language derived from the different
languages of successive waves marauding pirates and invaders from north
western Europe, who invaded the island of Britannia at varios times beween the
3rd and 8th Centuries. They included Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Freisans, Danes,
and Vikings.  They eventually subjugated the earlier inhabitants (themselves
the descendents of earlier invaders) and imposed their own proto-English
languages on them or drove them to the west and north, where the refugees
continued to speak speaking Welsh, Scottish Gaelic and, like Gail, Irish
Gaelic. (Many Welsh people still speak Welsh, but the number of Irish and
Scottish people who speak Gaelic is, sadly, very few and declining rapidly
under the onslaught of English.)

But the invaders didn't speak just one kind of English. There were many
different varieties in different parts of the island depending on their local
tribe before they left Europe, and these differing dialects of Germanic were
at first quite distinct: far more different than the kinds of English spoken
in the United States and Britain today. The old Scots language was also a
variety of this group of languages, which gradually became more and more like
the English spoken in southern England. Great Britain still accommodates many
different dialects and visitors  from overseas find it difficult to understand
the many people who still use these dialects as their usual way of speaking.
One would think that television would tend to iron out the differnces, but
surprisingly, it does not seem to do so. Only a small proportion of British
people speak "BBC" English, which many people regard as an affected or
snobbish way of speaking. Another important point is that since the
immigrations from the Indian sub-continent  following the last war, many
millions of British people speak a whole variety of Indian languages.

So, I suggest it is inappropriate to speak of "English" in contradistinction
other parts of the world are taken into account. South Aftrican English and
Australian English are different again. The variety of English spoken in India
diverges even more from British English or from American English. Then there
are the kinds of English spoken in  different islands of the the Caribbean.
widely different parts of  Africa, a multitude of Pacific Islands, subject
variously to British, United States, Australian and New Zealand influences.
There are many also Pidgin Englishes and Creole Englishes of diverse kinds.

The common convention is to include all of these varieties of language under
the umbrella tem of "English" or "International English", but to distinguish
them as "Australian English". "Indian English", "standard British English" or
"American English" etc.. It is a rough and ready usage, but it is accepted and
it serves.

I am always surprised how similar British English and American English are in
fact.. When they are stripped of differences in pronunciation, dialect, the
comparatively few differences of spelling (mainly the relics of Noah Webster's
far more ambitious plan for spelling reform) and the liberal lacings of
transitory slang, the two languages are virtually identical. This is
particularly apparent in the written languages. Perhaps, if radio, television,
cinema and now, the Internet and cheap air travel had not been invented, it
might by now have been otherwise.

I have to say that it is most convenient for a native English speaker that  so
many people around the world speak English as a second language. The other
side of this coin is that there is little inducement for anyone whose first
language is  English to learn other languages, and I feel constanly ashamed in
the presence of people from other countries that I am unable to speak to them
in their own languages. Origami-L gives me the same feeling when I read the
contributions by people for whom English is a foreign language. They have my
sincere admiration. Don't forget that people who speak English are using the
language of marauding pirates.

I take comfort that origami, like music is a language that is the same for
everyone. I apologise for diverting away from it.

David Lister.

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.





Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 11:46:16 -0500
From: Eric Andersen <ema@NETSPACE.ORG>
Subject: Re: Help! Flower Tower

On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, John Marcolina wrote:

> The problem with the 3-level version seems to be that since the inner level
> is smaller, after collapsing it, the reverse folds that are fomed run into
> each other before they reach the edge of the paper, resulting in a shape
> that for the life of me I can't get to lay flat.

Hi Jon! Tom Hull is really the expert in this area; he's the one that
taught me. I haven't folded a flower tower in a few months, but from what
I remember, you're right: it doesn't seem that the rest of the model will
be able to lie flat due to certain reverse folds. This is mainly due to
the fact that the inner points have not yet reached the center...you just
have to fold very slowly and carefully in this one, and follow Tom's
advice for the details!

-Eric  :-P
ema@netspace.org

PS. Just letting you all know that although I've been using the email
address origami@brown.edu for the last few years, I'll be graduating in
May and the address will no longer work. My permanent address is the
netspace address.

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 12:36:13 -0600 (CST)
From: Douglas Zander <dzander@SOLARIA.SOL.NET>
Subject: Re: Languages

English (American) and I'm learning Esperanto
I also can translate a little of Klingon





Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 14:21:55 -0600
From: Jaelle <jaelle1@SWBELL.NET>
Subject: Re: Languages. (N O - Not Origami)

DLister891@AOL.COM wrote:

> On 21st,February, Gail (Jaelle) wrote:
>
> "I speak Irish Gaelic and American. To me English is different. It is what the
> British speak. Similar, but still different."
>
> My excuse for taking up this non-origami topic is that Origami-L has succeeded
> in bringing together paperfoldiers from many parts of the world and has made
> us conscious of our differences in language. I promise not to make a habit of
> this!
>
> The implication of what Gail wries is that what the people of the United
> States of America speak should be called "American" and what the British speak
> should be called "English".

My appologies for implying this. It was not my intent. That is why I said"To me
English is different" I have several friends from England i have shared
many a laugh with when they say things like " I will knock you up tomorrow"
Meaning they will come visit. Where as to us it means something totally
diffferent.
And the first time I was asked where the "loo" was I had no idea how to tell
 them.

This is what I meant. There are more similarities than differences I agree. But
Amercians
tend to lean toward slang more than english.
So " For myself only I think of them as different". I would not want to change
from speaking English to speaking American. For one thing USA is part of only
 one
continent
named America. That would belittle the other launguages spoken in the two
continents.
And this I would never do. I am of Scot and Irish decent and I am proud I still
speak
those languages. As well as Mescelaro Apache.  So again my appologies if I
offended
anyone with my statement.Actually I was trying to be humorous. I was born in the
deep south and have lived
in texas for many years now and believe me ... what we speak here is far from
english.
( joking) Sometimes we even have trouble understanding each other. Ask MOST
 texans
what language they speak and they will proudly say .... Why Ma'um Ah talk
 Tex-sen
aund
mauty proud uf it to.

Meant in jest only.

Walk in light
Gail





Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 16:09:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Larry Finch <LarryFinch@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Languages. (N O - Not Origami)

In a message dated 98-02-21 15:29:01 EST, you write:

> The implication of what Gail wries is that what the people of the United
> States of America speak should be called "American" and what the British
speak
> should be called "English".
>

I had a teacher once who, when he didn't understand someone, said "Speak
United States."

Larry Finch





Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 16:29:12 -0500
From: Rjlang@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Help w/ insects...

Kim Best wrote:

> [Go] light on the creases [in Lang's Praying Mantis].  You might
> want to try using a paper other than kami...(It might be my
> imagination, but I swear I can see a burr in the same place, on the
> mantis photo in Lang's book.)

It is your imagination (or perhaps the less-than-stellar quality of the
photos). The photographed Mantis in OI is wet-folded from Wyndstone Marble
and has no burrs. If you're suffer from BOMNS (blown-out mantis neck
syndrome), wet-folding is one possible work-around.

But you should also be able to fold the Mantis from regular 10" kami; it
looks quite good from kami if you can keep the neck intact. Two tips: First,
keep the centerline creases as light as you can from the very beginning of
the model. Second, the Moment of Greatest Stress (the quadruple-toe-loop, as
it were, of the folding sequence) is the closed sink in step 56. You can do
this in three parts. First, fold that point into a rabbit ear; then
closed-sink the rabbit ear, then gently poke the point all the way inside
out. This places the least stress on the possible point of rupture.

Good luck,

Robert J. Lang
rjlang@aol.com





Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 17:51:07 -0600
From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@MTAYR.HEARTLAND.NET>
Subject: Re: Languages. (N O - Not Origami)

David makes an interesting point, but the real problem with the english
     language is colloquialisms, or slang (argot), I offend some one one the
     list once by using a phrase that has an entirely different meaning here
     than where he lives.  Several times I h

Perry
Paper, scissors, stone.....
Origami, Kirigami, bludgeon....
pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net





Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 18:26:37 -0500
From: Eric Andersen <ema@NETSPACE.ORG>
Subject: NO: Valerie's question about finding the IP address
Comments: To: origami@MIT.EDU

Hi everyone, Valerie Vann asked to find the IP addresses for certain
origami Web page URLs...the easiest way to do this is to use the UNIX
command "nslookup". For instance, if you are unable to find a page by
going to it's domain-name URL, look at the base of the name (such as, in
the case of Joseph's page, www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca). Then go to a UNIX
prompt and type in:

nslookup www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca

and you'll get:

Non-authoritative answer:
Name: www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca
Address: 207.102.138.150

And I just realized it's even easier than that! You don't need a UNIX
prompt, you can do nslookup over the Web. I found such a nslookup Web
interface here:

http://www.infobear.com/nslookup.html

Hope this helps!

-Eric  :-P
ema@netspace.org

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 19:12:58 -0500
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: NO: Valerie's question about finding the IP address

I will try Eric's web "nslookup", as I do not have
access to a UNIX system (a lot of the world doesn't,
you know), though I do have access to ping and tracroute,
(on an old VMS system I can dial up), but
that won't do what I'm asking.

What I need is the EXACT links from Joseph's site that
someone cannot open using AOL with MS Explorer browser;
then I need someone (or access to nslookup) to determine
the IP addresses for those links.

The problem being discussed here is probably not related
to my problem, but at this point I'm not ruling anything
out, so I wanted to pursue this I possible.

Valerie Vann
valerie_vann@compuserve.com





Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 19:25:55 -0500
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: NO: Any member using AOL

Is there a member of the Origami-L
who is using AmericaOnLine in the USA
on a PC computer, and using Microsoft
Internet Explorer 3 or later as their
browser, while using the AOL service?

If so, could you please try opening the following
6 web URL's fom AOL using MSIExplorer browser:

http://www.sbvmwd.com
http://ntserver.sbvmwd.com
http://207.137.37.3

http://www.professionalcomputing.com
http://ontwww01.professionalcomputing.com
http://207.137.41.243

Could you then email me the results of each of the six
attempts, including the error messages of the URLs
that don't work (if any).

Valerie Vann
valerie_vann@compuserve.com
valerivann@aol.com





Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 20:33:54 -0500
From: Jeff Ellis <ellis7@EROLS.COM>
Subject: Re: Some questions from a new member

> > 2.  On the same show... a man made an origami airplane out of very
> light
> > paper.  He then gently tossed the plane.  He had a square board
> (about 2
> > feet by 2 feet) in his hands, and he held it at an angle so as to
> create
> > a bit of an updraft.  He then walked slowly behind this plane, and
> the
> > lift created by the board was enough to keep the airplane afloat!
> It
> > was  incredible.  I have never seen any book make direct mention of
> this
> > model or technique.  I have tried to make many models that have
> enough
> > structure to support light paper, and have been unsuccessful.  Did
> > anyone else see this episode?
> >
> > I hope so.
> >
> > Jeff
>
>   I know EXACTLY what you're talking about, i just can't remember from
> which
> paper airplane book it's from.
> When I volunteered (still do) in the Children's museum of
> indianapolis(largest in the world :P) We had a 'Fly Zone' in the
> middle of
> the gallery which i helped work in sometimes, and we made all sorts of
> paper
> airplanes.  If you know what i'm talking about you need a paper
> airplane
> with the sillouhette(sp?) of something like this:
>  ________|
> |
>
> so when you just drop it on the floor, it tumbles over itself.  When
> we put
> it in front of a board, and played with the angle, we could make it
> climb,
> and stay up for awhile.  So if any of you origami-wizzies out there
> know of
> the tumbler-type-thing I'm talking about, post up the instructions on
> the
> whole list, because everyone deserves to know.
>
> Chris ( I should change my first name because there are too many
> Chris')
> Miller - chris@ori.net
> Sophomore - Brebeuf Jesuit Preparatory High School.
> *waveses*

Thanks for the reply!
I will look for the fold you described.  Actually... on the show they
did demonstrate this.  They walked behind both a paper airplane, and the
twirly thing.

Do you use special paper?  Was it extra light or something?

Do you remember the size of the board?  Was it cardboard?

Did you have to walk fast?  I was very impressed that on the show the
man walked very slowly.  It seemed very magical to watch the plane hover
above his slow pace.

Using this technique, you should be able to keep the plane aloft
indefinatly.  Right?

Thanks again.  I am sure that I will find exactly what I am looking for
soon!

Jeff





Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 20:35:52 -0500
From: Jeff Ellis <ellis7@EROLS.COM>
Subject: Re: Some questions from a new member

 Thank you.  I will look into John Collin's video... and see if any
descriptions describe this technique.

Jeff

> John Collins's second book on airplanes has a video, I heard, showing
> this
> technique. The folders in San Francisco told about John's
> demonstrations
> at
> their Cherry Blossom Festival last April.
>
> V'Ann
>
> Jeff Ellis wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > >2.  On the same show... a man made an origami airplane out of
> very
> > > light paper.  He then gently tossed the plane.  He had a square
> board
> > > (about 2 feet by 2 feet) in his hands, and he held it at an angle
> so as to
> > > create a bit of an updraft.  He then walked slowly behind this
> plane, and
> > > the lift created by the board was enough to keep the airplane
> afloat!  It
> > > >was  incredible.  I have never seen any book make direct mention
> of
> > > this model or technique.  I have tried to make many models that
> have
> > > enough structure to support light paper, and have been
> unsuccessful.  Did
> > > >anyone else see this episode?





Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 21:17:44 -0500
From: Susan Dugan <florafauna@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: : Magic Rose Cube Charlotte?

Elizabeth,
I got Two replies, one for Charlotte, MI. (those two posts were not my best)
and the below:

-----Original Message-----
Hi Susan,
Saw your note on the Origami listserv.  Jonathan is currently in New
Zealand and won't return till Mar 6, I think.  I have learned how to make
the cube, but I live in Durham, NC.  We have a local meeting on the 2nd
Saturday of each month, andthere is another in Cary, NC, (near Raleigh) on
the 4th Sat of each month.  If you were to get to one of those, I'm sure
someone could teach you.
If this seems possible, write me back and I'll give you more details.
Norm
-------------------------------------------------------------
I do not know were you are. Are you near me (Columbia SC) to or closer
Durham, NC. If Durham I can send your message to Norm.
Some one is sending me a rose and some step folds by snail mail so I can try
to figure it out. If I can, maybe we can get together or I send the rose and
step folds on to you.
Let me know
Susan





Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 21:26:43 -0500
From: Rjlang@AOL.COM
Subject: [Long] LaFosse at Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum

A couple of weeks ago, I and my family visited the Arizona-Sonora Desert
Museum in Tucson, AZ, where Michael LaFosse currently has an exhibition at
the museum art gallery. It's a spectacular exhibit -- maybe the best
single-artist origami exhibit I've ever seen.

For those who don't know him, Michael is a paper and origami artist based in
Haverhill, MA. Unique among origami artists, he makes his own paper for
almost all his work, designing the paper -- thickness color, choice of
fibers, texture -- mating the design of the paper to the design of the model.

For the ASDM exhibit, he first spent a month there a year ago as
artist-in-residence studying the plant and animal life. (The ASDM is a large,
open-air botanical garden and zoo that sprawls over a few hundred acres of
desert about 15 miles west of Tucson. It's worth a visit just to spend a day
looking at the cactus and animal life.) He also went out with the museum
staff and gathered various desert plant materials to incorporate into the
papers. Then he headed back to Haverhill, spending several months designing
models based on the plants and animals he saw and designing and making papers
for each model.

Then back to Arizona to set up the exhibit, which runs from February 5
through April 22. It's stunning. The models are spread around a good-size
room, some on the walls, some on pedestals; there are also some exhibits
showing the paper-making process and a video of him making papers; and if you
get there in the next week or so, you can meet with the artist yourself.

But the models are the centerpiece of the exhibit. They're beautiful,
strongly reminiscent of Yoshizawa's work; not surprising, since Michael has
studied with Yoshizawa. But they're not knockoffs; each design is unique,
each has its own personality, and they include birds, butterflies, coyotes,
and more. The exhibit is also growing; he brought paper and designs out and
will be folding and adding new designs during the month that he's in
residence at the museum.

My favorite single design is a sidewinder folded from a strip of paper that
is cross-pleated to give a scaled pattern. Now it would be very tempting to
fold a tour-de-force of tesselation making every single scale individually,
but rather than doing that and making the scales the focus of the observer's
eye, Michael used a softer pleating technique that gives the right texture
but doesn't dominate, so you see the overall shape of the animal: the wide,
slightly sagging body, the squat, triangular head. This isn't a demonstration
of pleating prowess or an illustration from a herpetology textbook; this is
just a snake that happens to be sunning himself on the display stand. This is
something I observe time and again in Michael's folded work: he really
catches the subtle curves that embody the essence of the subject (as an
origami artist, this ability drives me insane with jealous desire).

Another beautiful piece (and my wife's favorite) was "George L.
Mountainlion," a mask of a cougar. It was deceptively simple-looking, but
elegant and effective.

In a wall hanging, a group of hummingbirds are hovering and drinking from a
branched, flowering plant. This is a composite: each hummingbird is a single
piece, the plant was assembled from individual leaves and flowers. The
overall assembly is elegant and balanced, but you really can't appreciate it
until you look close at each element. They're all different and perfect. The
hummingbirds have the lightness and iridescence of the real thing (their
paper includes mica, which gives the shimmer); the flowers are all at
different stages of blooming, from buds to fully opened, to wilting. It's
touches like this that really make a difference. Who would ever fold a wilted
flower?

Well, I could go on longer, but I won't. Suffice it to say that if you can
get to the Tucson area over the next month, spend a day at the museum and
spend an hour or so looking at Michael's exhibit. For details and hours, call
the museum at 520-883-2702.

Robert J. Lang
rjlang@aol.com





Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 22:01:26 -0500
From: Sy Chen <sychen@EROLS.COM>
Subject: Re: postscript files?

At 10:56 PM 2/21/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I have come across a number of postscipt origami files and have been trying
>to use ghostscript to view/print them, but I am having trouble.  Is anyone
>else using this?  Dos or windows?  Any hints?  Thanks!  -gerry
>
>

Could you specify your platform and problems? Which postscript files?

|------------------------------------------------------\
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 22:17:46 +0000
From: Jules Kavanagh <kavanagj@DIRCON.CO.UK>
Subject: Squirrel
Comments: To: "Origami Msg->Origami List" <origami@MIT.EDU>

The BOS mag 187 (Dec'97) has diagrams for a Squirrel created by Hideo
Komatsu.

Wow, what a wonderful model.

I would guess that I'm probably an intermediate folder and it took me at
least 3 attempts to work out steps 31 and 63/64.Step 71, the last fold,
presumeable to lock the bushy tail has me stumped.

I've been an intermediate folder for a quite a while and this model was
just right in difficulty to challenge me. The books I have either have
models that are little too easy or way too complicated. Can anyone suggest
books, in print :-), with the Squirrel's level of difficulty?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Jules timberwolf
 Buckinghamshire, UK
 Email: kavanagj@dircon.co.uk





Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 22:56:52 -0500
Date-warning: Date header was inserted by rfd1.oit.umass.edu
From: Gerry & Robin Lempicki <lempicki@PSYCH.UMASS.EDU>
Subject: postscript files?
Comments: To: origami@MIT.EDU

I have come across a number of postscipt origami files and have been trying
to use ghostscript to view/print them, but I am having trouble.  Is anyone
else using this?  Dos or windows?  Any hints?  Thanks!  -gerry





Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 07:38:16 -0500
From: Michelle Knight <mlknight@MINDSPRING.COM>
Subject: Re: Fuse books

At 11:15 AM 2/22/98 +0000, Mark Gilchrist wrote:
>Greetings!
>
>We currently own two Fuse books (Origami boxes and Joyful Origami boxes).
We have seen a couple of others advertised at around 20 stirling.  Before
splashing out on paper we cannot fold (ie books!) what do people advise?
Which Fuse books are essential additions to any intermediate folder's
library..and if they are readily available in the UK that would help!
>

  I don't know if it is readily available in the UK, but I would have to
say that
a definate must have is:

 Unit Origami
 ISBN: 0-87040-852-6

It's easy to understand and has a lot of cool ideas in it.  In fact, I'm
trying to
fold  the 12 unit Bow-tie Motif on page 62-63 and it's coming out very well.
I've only been folding for a few months, but I find it to be a very relaxing
hobby and something I can see myself doing for a long time to come. :)

Michelle

====================================================
Michelle Knight                            Main:  mlknight@mindspring.com
Greensboro, NC USA                   Backup: MLKnight01@aol.com
                                                  ICQ: 2083514/AIM: Mystic302

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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 07:47:19 -0500
From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Subject: Re: Fuse books

Mark Gilchrist wrote
> Which Fuse books are essential additions
> to any intermediate folder's library..and if
> they are readily available in the UK that
> would help!

My personal favorites are:

Multidimensional Transformations / Unit Origami (English)
ISBN 0870408526

"Origami Quilts" (Japanese)
ISBN 4480872612

Jeff Kerwood
jkerwood@usaor.net





Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 08:19:51 -0500
From: "Daniel J. Byrne & Candice Bradley" <djbyrne@POP.ATHENET.NET>
Subject: Re: Fuse books

I really like the boxes in Fuse's *Folding Spirals*.  It's completely in
Japanese;  I can't read a word, but I can fold everything in this book from the
diagrams.   The boxes in *Folding Spirals* are pretty neat, lots of dimentions
 to
choose from with great twists on top.  It's not that expensive either (see
Fascinating Folds).

Candice

--
             Candice Bradley and Daniel J. Byrne
                John, Mark and Camille Byrne
                     Appleton, Wisconsin
                 email:  djbyrne@athenet.net
                 candice.bradley@lawrence.edu
             http://www.lawrence.edu/~bradleyc/





Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 08:30:57 -0800
From: Marcolina <jmarcolina@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: Thanks (was:Re: Help! Flower Tower)

Thomas C Hull wrote:

(snip)

> When I teach the 8-petal version to people, I like to
> go from *the outside-in*.  This can be done by "decreeping",
> a term that Chris and Jeremy Shafer have popularised.

(snip)

Thanks Tom! I hadn't thought of doing it this way. I actually was able
to complete the 3-level tower working from the inside out after my post
- seems that what I was lacking most was patience! But I'm going to try
your way too; sounds like it might be easier.

> Now, doing one at a time, bring each corner of the octagon to
> the center of the octagon.  The pleat under the octagon's corner
> should do 1/2 of a petal fold.  Crease firmly and unfold.
> Then repeat this with all the other corners of the octagon.
> (In fact, you can do them all at once, making a strange
> purse variation.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this "purse" you mention an alternate
way to finish the top of the model? Seems like this is what was done to
the model on Eric Anderson's page (which is yours, no?), and on some of
the models in Chris' video. The method wasn't mentioned anywhere and I
couldn't figure out how to do it. Now I know! :-)

And Eric Anderson wrote:

> Hi Jon! Tom Hull is really the expert in this area; he's the one that
> taught me.(snip) follow Tom's
> advice for the details!

Thanks to both of you! You are the 2 that seemed to have the most
experience with this model based on the archives; I appreciate your
responses! This is a difficult model, and probably more difficult to
explain in an Email. But Tom, you succeeded!

John "flower power" Marcolina
San Jose, CA.
jmarcolina@earthlink.net





Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 09:23:09 +0100
From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Subject: Re: NO: Valerie's question about finding the IP address

On Sat, 21 Feb 1998, Valerie Vann wrote:
> you know), though I do have access to ping and tracroute,
> (on an old VMS system I can dial up), but
> that won't do what I'm asking.

On my Linux system, both ping and traceroute also print the IP address
when you call them with a symbolic address.

moebius:/home/skirsch $ ping -c 1 mitvma.mit.edu
PING mitvma.mit.edu (18.92.0.3): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 18.92.0.3: icmp_seq=0 ttl=39 time=395.7 ms

--- mitvma.mit.edu ping statistics ---
1 packets transmitted, 1 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 395.7/395.7/395.7 ms
moebius:/home/skirsch $ traceroute mitvma.mit.edu
traceroute to mitvma.mit.edu (18.92.0.3), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  193.158.133.165 (193.158.133.165)  173.44 ms  148.422 ms  169.402 ms
 [...]
15  MITVMA.MIT.EDU (18.92.0.3)  388.796 ms  318.776 ms  279.356 ms
moebius:/home/skirsch $

Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 11:10:07 -0500
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Subject: Orchidee

A day or so ago there was a question regarding url's that teach flowers.
I have been on the look out for an orchid. There was a url given for one
that I checked out. I printed out it's pdf file and found the diagrams quite
clear. My French is limited to HS French so the directions beneath the
diagrams are only a tad helpful to me.

The model is named Orchidee and I assum the creator of the model is Patrick
Goinzalez as that is the name that appears on the pages of diagrams.
If anyone knows the model I am referring to, I need some assistance.
For the life of me I cannot figure out what to do at Step 20 to get it to
look like the diagram in step 21. I had no difficulty with step 14 which
looks quite similar.

I've fiddled with the paper now for quite a while and may finally end up
with diagram 22, but if I do it is not being done by following the
directions.

Can anyone help?

---
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 11:14:58 +0000
From: Mark Gilchrist <mark@HOBBITON.FORCE9.NET>
Subject: Re: postscript files?

>At 10:56 PM 2/21/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>I have come across a number of postscipt origami files and have been trying
>>to use ghostscript to view/print them, but I am having trouble.  Is anyone
>>else using this?  Dos or windows?  Any hints?  Thanks!  -gerry
>>
>>
>
>Could you specify your platform and problems? Which postscript files?

As your headers tell me you are using a Wintel PC this is all guess-work,
but I think the shareware "Paintshop Pro" will probably do it.  Now if
you had a Mac....

--
Mark
 "Bother," said Pooh, "Eeyore, ready two photon torpedoes and lock
 phasers on the Heffalump, Piglet, meet me in transporter room three"





Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 11:15:00 +0000
From: Mark Gilchrist <mark@HOBBITON.FORCE9.NET>
Subject: Fuse books

Greetings!

We currently own two Fuse books (Origami boxes and Joyful Origami boxes).  We
     have seen a couple of others advertised at around 20 stirling.  Before
     splashing out on paper we cannot fold (ie books!) what do people advise?
     Which Fuse books are essential

--
Mark

...see you at the hour of scampering.





Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 11:35:12 -0800
From: chris <chris@ORI.NET>
Subject: Indianapolis

Hello alls,
Does anyone know if there are any folding groups in Indianapolis, IN?  If
so, and you are in it, please reply back to me, or the list, because i'd
like to know. :)

Chris Miller ~*( chris@ori.net )*~
Indianapolis, Indiana





Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 14:03:20 -0300
From: Hugo Alejandro Gallo <halgall@NETVERK.COM.AR>
Subject: Re: Languages

Hi all!!!

I love the differents languages.

I think, that the languages in origami is not the important.
Imagine that:  if all of you are in the same place for a moment,
1) the subject will be to see the folds, and without speak you could see
how someone fold. 2)Then, when someone fold for you, you only see steps by
steps without any word, only you are concentrate in your paper in your
fold, and in the same moment you see how the person move his/her paper in
the fold.
In this case what is the more important? I think that to see when a person
fold and can be the same of he/she in my paper. No?

Sometimes, the explanation in the same language of you ( when you are with
people that speak your language), may be, that someone do not understand
any, because the explanation is not good, then, the person only see how the
other person fold.
There are times when it is best not to talk, but certainly to see for learn
better.

Well, when you see a sheet of paper with a diagram, in most cases, this
diagram only have a direction of fold, with international simbols, the name
of the author, the name of fold, and no more.

IMHO, when I buy a book in any language (english, japanese, french, german,
etc) In most cases I do not know what the book say, but I see the diagrams
and the direction of it and...
I can fold without any problem.

Dear David,

When you said:
>In other parts of America, they speak Spanish and Portugese and even (in
Tierra del >Fuego), Welsh, apart from countless native languages.

In Tierra del Fuego, one Sud Province of my country (Argentina), the people
speak spanish, but not portuguese, only the elder mantein your native
language, and speak it with his/her family,  in your home, but they are a
few. The native language that the people in Tierra del Fuego, Santa Cruz,
is welsh, irish, scot, but "the portuguese is not to speak in any place of
my country".
In Buenos Aires, is the same, but the elder mantein other native languages
italian, arabian, israeli, french, of course in your home with the family.

Cheers, happy folding!

Patricia Gallo
halgall@netverk.com.ar
Web page  http://www.netverk.com.ar/~halgall





Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 14:36:37 -0500
From: Thomas C Hull <tch@ABYSS.MERRIMACK.EDU>
Subject: Re: Thanks (was:Re: Help! Flower Tower)

John "flower child" Marcolina asks,

>>>
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this "purse" you mention an alternate
way to finish the top of the model?
<<<

Yes.  If you fold the corners of the octagon to the center,
*without* rotating the octagon back 45 degrees, you'll get
the classic "purse" fold.  It goes way back to traditional
Japanese tato folds.  You can also purse hexagon, pentagon,
etc. twists this way.

--- Tom "blah blah blah" Hull
    thull@merrimack.edu





Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 15:50:33 +0000
From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Subject: Re: Fuse books

Mark asked:

> Which Fuse books are essential additions to any intermediate folder's
>library..and if they are readily available in the UK that would help!

My favorite is Spirals, already mentioned.

I also particularly enjoy Boxes Within Boxes (ISBN4-480-87263-9). In it,
you construct a shell (cube, pyramid . . .) and then fold little boxes to
fill the form, puzzle style. The little boxes are hinged, so you can
place a small origami shape or gift inside each one. These are not
boxes-within-boxes-within-boxes in the style of Russian dolls.

The Newest Kusudama book is another favorite of mine. There are
traditional models and variations, a lovely fan insert that fits into a
cube, and more. ISBN4-416-39209-5.

Then there are so many others that have a few models that are worth the
price of the book, such as Cranes and Fans (ISBN4-480-87221-3) and
Origami Design (ISBN4-480-87264-7).

Don't know about availability in the UK.

Good luck!

Jane





Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 15:57:51 -0500
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@DORSAI.ORG>
Subject: Re: Orchidee

>
> | For the life of me I cannot figure out what to do at Step 20 to get it to
> | look like the diagram in step 21. I had no difficulty with step 14 which
> | looks quite similar.
> 19. Petal fold
> 20. Turn paper over and flatten
> 21. Repeat steps 18-20 on the other side
>
> I'll try and see if I can make sense of it when folding.
>
This is most embarrassing, but it happens.
Believe it or not for over an hour or two on and off I have been trying to
what is shown in diagram 20.
It seems that at step 17 I had the model rotated 180 degrees. It crimped
nicely and did look like (well almost like) the diagram in 20.

I just did it! Now I have to repeat 20 on the reverse side of the model, and
then I can try struggling through the rest of the model.

---
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 16:09:30 +0000
From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@SPACESTAR.NET>
Subject: Re: Languages

Roberto asked:
Ci sono altri che parlano italiano sulla
lista, oltre agli italiani?

I have been hesitant to reply to the posting on languages because I have
forgotten a lot, but I speak (spoke?) Italian, or at least understand it.
I studied it at Berkeley for a graduate school language requirement, and
I have had Italian friends and spent time in Italy. These days, I use it
mostly in reading recipes, although I did read Pinsky's translation of
Dante's Inferno this summer, and I did refer to the Italian text
frequently (and sometimes try to change it into modern Italian).

I also speak French and German.

Jane





Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 16:23:55 +0100
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Subject: Re: NO: Valerie's question about finding the IP address

Eric,
At 18.26 21/2/1998 -0500, you wrote:

>And I just realized it's even easier than that! You don't need a UNIX
>prompt, you can do nslookup over the Web. I found such a nslookup Web
>interface here:
>
>http://www.infobear.com/nslookup.html

You can also launch a simple freeware utility, e.g. WSPING32 which has a
"lookup" feature in addition to "ping" and "trace". Look for wsping32.zip in
some FTP site.

Roberto
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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 16:24:01 +0100
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Subject: Re: postscript files?

Gerry,
At 22.56 21/2/1998 -0500, you wrote:
>I have come across a number of postscipt origami files and have been trying
>to use ghostscript to view/print them, but I am having trouble.  Is anyone
>else using this?  Dos or windows?  Any hints?

Ghostscript works well, but you should install the right files. Ghostview is
a separate front-end program to use Ghostscript under Windows without having
to write complicated command-line instructions. How have you configured your
system ?

Roberto
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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 16:24:03 +0100
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Subject: Re: Sorry,              this one was meant to be private-> Re: A
 rgentina Origami Page

Carlos,
At 10.03 20/2/1998 -0600, you wrote:

>I think would be interesting to know the different languages that
>speak the members of the list (additional to English), but not
>too many ! (hopefully).

Io parlo italiano, ovviamente. Ci sono altri che parlano italiano sulla
lista, oltre agli italiani ?

(I speak Italian, of course. Any other Italian-speaking on this list, in
addition to Italians ?)

Roberto
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Via Palestro 11           |  Please DON'T quote my full
51100 PISTOIA             |  message in reply... I KNOW
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tel & fax (+)39-573-20436 |
E-mail <morassi@zen.it>   |





Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 16:34:21 -0500
From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Subject: Neale vs.. Stamm Dragon
Comments: To: origami-l <origami@MIT.EDU>

I am making some dragons for someone and I want to give them something that
won't "spoing" (start to unfold) soon. I am considering both the Neale and
Stamm dragons. I have had a Neale dragon around for a long time (long
enough that it had dust on it's feet) but had not spoinged at all. Problem:
I like the Stamm better but it seems like it will "spoing" fairly fast.
Does anyone know the Stamm dragon enough to know if it really is "spoingy"?
I know, for some, wet folding would be the solution. Unfortunately my wet
folding attempts have yet to succeed. Other than wet folding or lacquering,
any ideas how to make Stamm stable.

Jeff Kerwood
jkerwood@usaor.net





Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 16:47:19 -0800
From: "Michael J. Naughton" <mjnaught@CROCKER.COM>
Subject: Re: mobiles

PErick asked about making mobiles, and some good advice followed. Since I have
 made
several dozen mobiles over the years, I have learned a few tricks:

Douglas Zander suggests using three strings instead of one - excellent idea! The
 point
is to have the model's center of gravity below the point where the single
 hanging string
connects with it. I have found two methods: a) choose a model where this comes
naturally (e.g. angelfish, or any model which has a piece signficantly above its
 center
of gravity which you can attach the string to); or b), create such a point
 "artificially" using
the three-string method (depending on the shape of the model, you might get by
 in some
cases with two strings, but I bet a butterfly will require three). Douglas also
 suggests
good ways of attaching the string - since I tend to use models where the string
 end is
hidden inside the model, I knot it and then apply a small dab of white glue - it
 works great!

Ken Kawamura also has some good tips - in particular, he's right that the way to
 get the
sticks to balance is to work from the bottom up. Also a good trick with the
 magnest (I
never thought of that!).

One more thing - if you want your mobile to last for a while, remember that
 mobiles collect
dust (and fly specks), and so they need to be cleaned periodically. Use
 materials which
allow this - kami paper doesn't hold up well, but I've found that painting the
 finished models
with something called "gloss medium" (found in art supply stores) before hanging
 them
works pretty well. Don't try to do this after making the mobile, as you'll mess
 up the
balance.

Good luck!

Mike Naughton





Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 16:52:21 -0800
From: "Michael J. Naughton" <mjnaught@CROCKER.COM>
Subject: Re: Neale vs.. Stamm Dragon

Jeff Kerwood asks:

  Other than wet folding or lacquering,
any ideas how to make Stamm stable.

How about using foil paper?

Mike Naughton





Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 17:51:58 -0800
From: Charles Knuffke <knuffke@SIRIUS.COM>
Subject: Re: Neale vs.. Stamm Dragon

>Jeff Kerwood asks:
>
>  Other than wet folding or lacquering,
>any ideas how to make Stamm stable.

I've had excellent luck with using Florist Foil to make Stamm's Dragon.
Florist foil is actually foil with an inner core of plastic, so it doesn't
tear like foil normally does. Florist foil was available with some very
nice designs (as well as solid colors), perfect for dragon folding. Also,
it is available in rolls of about 2 ft. wide, so you can make a pretty good
size dragon with it.

Florist foil is available at large floral distributors. Normally it's used
to cover flowerpots. Just make sure you get the stuff with the plastic
inner core.

*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Charles Knuffke       "Amen the Thunderbolt in the Dark Void"
San Francisco, CA                              -Jack Kerouac
mailto://knuffke@sirius.com

Check out the Pacific Coast Origami Conference Website at:
http://www.sirius.com/~knuffke/PCOC.html





Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 18:31:31 -0500 (EST)
From: PErick3491@AOL.COM
Subject: mobiles

Everyone,

Thanks for all the suggestions about hanging the butterflies.  I'm going to
try the three (two) threads tonight and, if it works, my class and I will put
their mobile together this week.  The tiny magnets sound intriguing.  Must try
that.  Thanks again to everyone.  Pat





Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 18:47:12 -0800
From: Pat Slider <slider@STONECUTTER.COM>
Subject: Re: glider w/board (was new member topic)
Comments: To: origami@MIT.EDU

There used to be a glider that you propelled with a board at this site:

http://pchelp.inc.net/paper_ac.htm

but it doesn't seem to be there anymore and my email bounces. Maybe I have
the wrong site anyway....

As I recall the glider (SCISSORS!) was designed by a NASA engineer, and the
recommended paper for the plane was a page from a telephone book. The
author/designer claimed to have kept it in the air for over 20 minutes. The
really frustrating part is I printed out the multiple pages describing the
technique, and now I am trying to remember where I put them.  We tried
flying it last year, but never had much success.

You could ask at Ken Blackburn's site:

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/1817/

(By the way, he has a subpage for upcoming paper airplane contests.)

In the meantime, I shall keep looking here. Plus I passed some copies of
this to a friend who is a plane nut. Perhaps they still have them.

Hope this note provides a few leads at least. I'll give more details if I
ever have any....

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 21:03:45 +0100
From: jpl@WWW.BARCLAB.COM
Subject: Re: Orchidee

Sheldon Ackerman stated :

*snip* regarding Patrick Gonzalez' Orchidee,
http://econo1.ecn.ulaval.ca:80/~pgon/origami/modeles/modeles.html

| For the life of me I cannot figure out what to do at Step 20 to get it to
| look like the diagram in step 21. I had no difficulty with step 14 which
| looks quite similar.

My French is better than my folding. Unfortunately, if you got past 14, the
captions for this sequence won't be much help. We have

19. Petal fold
20. Turn paper over and flatten
21. Repeat steps 18-20 on the other side

I'll try and see if I can make sense of it when folding.

Oh, and regarding the language discussion? Dutch, French, English and a spot
of German.
--
 Jurgen Pletinckx                           BARC         Etre une heure, rien
 Tel +32 9 220 49 81         Fax +32 9 221 85 17         qu'une heure durant
 jpl@barclab.be                                          Beau, beau, beau
 Industriepark Zwijnaarde 7, B9052 Gent, Belgium         et con a la fois





Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:33:55 -0500
From: Michelle Knight <mlknight@MINDSPRING.COM>
Subject: Re: Fuse books

At 07:38 AM 2/22/98 -0500, I wrote:

> Unit Origami
> ISBN: 0-87040-852-6
>
>It's easy to understand and has a lot of cool ideas in it.  In fact, I'm
>trying to
>fold  the 12 unit Bow-tie Motif on page 62-63 and it's coming out very well.

 I'm happy to report that I finished the model today and it looks
*great*.  I'm nearly finished putting the second one together ,
and will interlock the two to make one cool model. :)

Michelle

====================================================
Michelle Knight                            Main:  mlknight@mindspring.com
Greensboro, NC USA                   Backup: MLKnight01@aol.com
                                                  ICQ: 2083514/AIM: Mystic302

  Everyone's ignorant, just on different subjects.  --Albert Einstein





Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1998 20:31:36 -0800
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@BBOXBBS.CH>
Subject: Kasahara in Germany (was:Re: Kasahara's Books)

Read all about Kasahara in Germany at
http://www.uni-mainz.de/~maulm001/od/
(follow the convention links).

Matthias

Joseph Wu wrote about Kunihiko Kasahara:
> Oh, he's still around and quite active. His latest book is called "Joy of
> Origami" (in Japanese). He attends various origami functions, including a
> recent convention in Germany.





Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 06:38:56 +0800
From: Mark Morden <marmonk@ESKIMO.COM>
Subject: Re: [Long] LaFosse at Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum

At 09:26 PM 2/21/98 -0500, you wrote:
>A couple of weeks ago, I and my family visited the Arizona-Sonora Desert
>Museum in Tucson, AZ, where Michael LaFosse currently has an exhibition at
>the museum art gallery. It's a spectacular exhibit -- maybe the best
>single-artist origami exhibit I've ever seen.
>
>
>Robert J. Lang
>rjlang@aol.com
>
thanks for the report Robert.  I was blessed to meet Michael a year ago
this past weekend in Phoenix.  He told me about his commission with ASDM,
and I wondered how it had gone.  Now the question is, is there anyway to
see photos of his work for those of us who can't make it to Tucson???

Mark

Mark Morden == marmonk@mail.eskimo.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~marmonk/
-----------------------------------------
Trust in the Lord with all your heart and
lean not on your own understanding;
In all your ways acknowledge Him and
He will make your paths straight.
                        Proverbs 3:5,6





Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:48:14 -0500
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@TRANSARC.COM>
Subject: Re: [Long] LaFosse at Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum

Mark Morden, in reply to Robert Lang's message about Michael LaFosse's
exhibit in Arizona, wrote:
> thanks for the report Robert.  I was blessed to meet Michael a year ago
> this past weekend in Phoenix.  He told me about his commission with ASDM,
> and I wondered how it had gone.  Now the question is, is there anyway to
> see photos of his work for those of us who can't make it to Tucson???

I too would like to thank Robert for the write up.  Thanks Robert!  I'm
curious to know if the exhibit will be travelling or if it is staying in
Arizona.  If it is travelling, I'd rather go see it in person, than see
photos.  But  if I can't do that, I'd rather see photos than nothing at
all!

-D'gou

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