




Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1998 04:43:40 -0400
From: Tricia Tait <tait@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: files and storage

hmmm.... where to begin! Similar to Glenn McNitt- I find that semi-clear
storage boxes labeled and grouped according to type of model helps
(i.e.- hearts, action models, letterfolds, flowers, containers,
modulars, butterflys, napkin folds,...) If I have a larger amount of
some type of critter I'm especially fond of such as swans, turtles,
mice, and pigs- they each get their own special box. I found I really
like to use the Rubbermaid "high tops" because you can go pile in over
the top and they still fit because of raised top and are stackable.The
boxes also work well for the packs of 3" and 6" paper which I like to
group by type- such a foil, plain, patterened and duo kami, washi, and
art papers. I have about 60 of those containers piled on storage units
(with adjustable shelves) from a Swedish store called IKEA.

For all those large sheets of washi and art papers- I group about 50
sheets together and they each get a shelf on the unit. For rolls of
paper, I can fit about another 50 on each shelf lengthwise. To avoid
them from "rolling off" as they did in the middle of the night- and
scared me out of my wits, I'm going to attach a plexiglass strip across
(so I can stack more in!)

As for books, I have a large bookcase with glass doors which helps keep
the dust off. The books are arranged by type and author- and some by
size.

For magazines and newsletters such as The Paper, BARF, and from other
countries- they each get a magazine file box and are filed by date. I
also like to attach an index card on the front listing the diagram
models inside with page number so I can see at a glance what's inside
the issue. I purchased some nice wooden ones at IKEA but office supply
stores also carry them.

As for diagrams, I like to put them in three ring binders according to
type of models. I have tabs sticking out of the edges so I can see where
those swans or pigs are. Many times I like to do two of a particular
model- so if it's flat I'll enclose it in a clear plastic sleeve with
it's diagram or handwritten notes.

All in all, I find that many plastic containers, storage shelves, and
binders help to keep my origami organized. Now where did I put that
wetfolded cocker spaniel....

Regards,
Tricia Tait

P.S. Just moved recently and the hardest part was getting all the
origami back in order- and making more room for paper and books. Glad
it's a bigger apartment!





Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 06:28:58 -0600 (CST)
From: Douglas Zander <dzander@SOLARIA.SOL.NET>
Subject: Origami sighting on music video

The music video "Hows it going to be"  by Third Eye Blind has one of the
band members folding origami.  Otherwise, the video is crummy and I hate the
music.  (my personal opinion)





Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:16:38 -0600
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Garc=EDa_Macias_Carlos?= <CGMACIAS@TELMEX.NET>
Subject: Re: Introduction to the internet...

Wayne Fluharty (wflu@hotmail.com) wrote:

        >Inability to read _____:
        >I've just discovered that Alta Vista (www.altavista.com) has a
language
        >translater on their web site. You can give it the name of a web
site
        >that is in another language (or you can search for a web site
for a
        >particular language) and you can tell it to translate resulting
web
        >pages into the language of your choice. Also, they have a spot
where you
        >can key in a word, sentence, paragraph, etc... and it will
convert it
        >for you. Unfortuanately, I don't know how you would key in
        >Japanese/Chinese/etc... letters

Unfortunately, the translations are often unreliable; by example, when i
was in a nail care center web page and i tried to translate it to
spanish, all i got was translation in terms of nails (and hammers)
instead of nails (and fingers) !!!

Until the AI (Artificial Intelligence) techniques in the Web can deal
with context, we can be confident of these kind of translations.

/8-) Carlos Garcia M
cgmacias@telmex.net





Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:01:49 -0100
From: Karen Reeds <reeds@OPENIX.COM>
Subject: Re: Teaching reverse folding

>Someone asked about teaching reverse folding to children and I lost the
>person's name and address.
>Something I do with children is fold the reverse (or any other they have
>trouble with), unfold it a couple of times so that it will pop into place
>easily.  Then I take it around to each child having difficulty so they can
>"pop" it into place and then I show them individually how to do it.  Sometimes
>they need to know where a fold is going and what it is going to look like.
>Barbara

I do this for teaching grown-ups too. It's important, I think, to unfold
the fold and make them do it.

By the way, I'm giving a free origami family workshop at the New Providence
Memorial Library , Thursday March 19, 7-8:30 pm. Program sponsored by the
Friends of the Library.
Aimed at beginners--we'll make simple, useful & fun stuff, mostly from
81/2x 11  or poverty folds --boxes, toy furniture, paper chains, notebook
folds, I haven't figured out just what yet. Paper and diagrams provided.

(New Providence is about 25 miles due west of the World Trade Center, just
off Hwy 78--email me if you want directions or, better yet, if you'd like
to help!)

Karen
reeds@openix.com





Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:07:40 +0200
From: Matti Uusitalo <matti.uusitalo@SUOMUSSALMI.FI>
Subject: origami books
Priority: normal

How easy it is to find books about origami and what books should i
buy?
-------------------------------------------------
Matti Uusitalo

Attitude is the Essence





Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:21:46 +0000
From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Teaching reverse folding

Barbra0336@AOL.COM sez

>Someone asked about teaching reverse folding to children

If you start with a simple pecking cow (kite base, reverse beak) they
can concentrate on the move....

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:29:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Every Folder <everyfolder@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: cancel my club

I think I made a terrible mistake.  There should not be a unafolder fan
club.  We should not discuss such business here.

Everyfolder

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:28:39 -0700
From: Kim Best <kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Subject: Cubeheads

I this comparison of fan of the magic rose cube with fans of the
Greatful Dead is just a bit unfair.  There is a difference you know.

A deadhead is someone who see's the show, likes what he see's and
follows the band around the country.

A cubehead is someone who see's the show, likes what he sees, and joins
the band.

And before anyone asks.  If you live in the Salt Lake City area, and
want to learn the
Rose Cube, drop me a line.  I'll teach it to you.

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    * I don't get impeachment.    *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Don't low crimes beat       *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * high misdemeaners any day?  *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:46:49 -0600
From: Jaelle <jaelle1@SWBELL.NET>
Subject: Re: cancel my club

Every Folder wrote:

> I think I made a terrible mistake.  There should not be a unafolder fan
> club.  We should not discuss such business here.
>
> Everyfolder
>

Why should there not be?? And where better to discuss it than here??
Where there are the folders who are familiar with the Unafolder!

Sounds like a plan to me!
Gail





Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:48:32 -0500
From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Subject: (NO) Re: Introduction to the internet...

Bernie said: Cosell <bernie@FANTASYFARM.COM>
> run, don't walk, to http://www.ferretsoft.com and
> download "webferret".

I am not a web-whiz so take this for what it's worth. I tried this ferret
stuff and it's nice. I also use a similar thing http://www.dogpile.com
(stupid name but it is a cool multi-search engine search tool). Dogpile
runs from the URL not by executing an exe as ferret does.

Jeff
jkerwood@usaor.net





Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:54:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Barbra0336@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Teaching reverse folding

In a message dated 2/17/98 7:24:49 AM, you wrote:

<<I'm giving a free origami family workshop at the New Providence
Memorial Library , Thursday March 19, 7-8:30 pm. Program sponsored by the
Friends of the Library.>>





Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:28:17 -0500
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@BROWN.EDU>
Subject: Maximum Pentagon

I have been folding the pentagon using a method I found in Koji and Mitsue
Husimi's Origami no Kikagaku (The Geometry of Origami), which I used in
Chapter 5. of Origami Flower Arrangment.  (I have signed a contract to have
Dover Publication publish it this fall and am in the midst of making final
preparations for it.)   The method is relatively simple to use,  although
far from providing the maximum pentagon.  Recently I became interested in
the problem of finding the maximum size pentagon fit into a square and came
across Haga's Theorem in Kunihiko Kasahara's Origami Omnibus (1988).  With
only two folds  a 3x4x5 right triangle is formed at one corner for which
the claim is made that the hypotenuse of  is 5/8 the length of the side of
the square and is the side of a maximum pentagon fit into a square.  By
moving this side to one corner across the diagonal line it is possible to
fold a pentagon of maximum size.  I asked Roberto Morassi whether he had
used Haga's theorem and he said that he had not and said that Haga's
approach only provided a close approximation, with an error of .001179.
From a practical point of view of a folder this amount of error is of
little consequence, since the folding procedure itself is apt to produce
small amounts of errors.
 He also introduced me to his work on pentagons in the Proceedings of the
First International Meeting of Origami Science and Technology in 1989.  In
his article he not only presented his method of folding the maximum
pentagon, but also presented some approximate methods in current use, as
well as a method for a maximum pentagon by Fred Rohm, which had not been
published previously.  He showed that it provided a close approximation of
the mathematically accurate method.
I found Haga's approach attractive because of its simplicity as well as the
fact that the 3x4x5 right triangle has the simple relatonship among the
squares of its sides: 25 = 9 + 16.  One method of checking the squareness
of a corner is to measure off 3 and 4 units from the corner and check to
see if the distance between them is equal to 5.  In Step 2 the side of the
large 3-4-5 triangle is  equal to 2/3 of the side.  Haga's approach can be
used to find other odd divisions.
      Kasahara shows the length of the side of a maximum pentagon moved to
one corner, but does not show how to get it there or to complete the
folding of the pentagon from that point on.
     I have worked out a method of making that move and completing the
folding for the maximum pentagon.  Those interested can download a pdf
version of it (only 6k of storage needed) from
http://idt.net/~kittyv.  Adobe's Acrobat Reader 3 will be needed to read it.
James M. Sakoda





Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:38:31 -0500 (EST)
From: Meristein@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Introduction to the internet...

How about if you're one of the select few running a (gasp) Mac;  can we use
the www.ferret thing also, or is there another version? I have Windows 95 at
work, but Mac at home. It sounds too good to pass up.

Yours in the minority,
Merida





Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:56:37 -0100
From: Karen Reeds <reeds@OPENIX.COM>
Subject: Re: origami family workshop at the New Providence Memorial Library ,

In my announcement of the workshop (repeated below) I forgot to say that
New Providence is in New Jersey, USA--we're about 1 hour from Manhattan, by
car, train, bus. Kids are welcome. It would help me to know if you are
thinking about coming. Past workshops have been pretty popular.

========
By the way, I'm giving a free origami family workshop at the New Providence
Memorial Library , Thursday March 19, 7-8:30 pm. Program sponsored by the
Friends of the Library.
Aimed at beginners--we'll make simple, useful & fun stuff, mostly from
81/2x 11  or poverty folds --boxes, toy furniture, paper chains, notebook
folds, I haven't figured out just what yet. Paper and diagrams provided.

(New Providence is about 25 miles due west of the World Trade Center, just
off Hwy 78--email me if you want directions or, better yet, if you'd like
to help!)
=========
Karen
reeds@openix.com





Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:58:17 -0500
From: Elizabeth George <emgeorge@MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: : Magic Rose Cube Charlotte?

What's this? The possibility of an appearance by the elusive "Magic Rose
Cube" in Charlotte? Sign me up!!... (can't be more than 3 hours drive each
way,... small price to pay for such an opportunity)<G>

-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Dugan <florafauna@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Date: Sunday, February 15, 1998 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: : Magic Rose Cube Charlotte?

>Can and would any one in Charlotte teach INFAMOUS Valerie Vann's
>magic rose cube? Hello - Jonathan & Co.
>Susan Dugan with out kid in tow.





Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:46:52 -0100
From: Karen Reeds <reeds@OPENIX.COM>
Subject: Re: An ABACUS?

Florence Temko (I think) taught a lovely, simple tic-tac-toe board, with
playing pieces, of her own invention at a OUSA convention some years ago.
I think it could be easily adapted to make a working abacus--probably using
rectangular paper plus tiny squares fo the beads.

Or, inventing as I go, with my vague recollection of the tic-tac-toe board
in mind:

With rectangular paper, arranged horizontally, make a series of vertical
double pleats (making the shape of an M, with legs angled sharply inwards,
when seen edge-on) parallel to the short edges and protruding up out of the
plane of the paper. These represent the wires. Fold the edges of the page
over to hold the pleats in place. Then make the beads--small squares folded
around the pleats, so they slide up and down the pleat.

Alternatively,  turn the big paper over and have the double-pleats serve as
furrows. Fold beads --say, waterbomb base--to fit inside the furrows with 2
flaps sticking up as a handle to push the bead up and down the furrow.
(This would be closer to the ancient origins of the abacus--pebbles in
lines drawn in the dirt.)

If you want the kind of abacus with 2 registers, do a pleat horizontally to
divdie the top half ffrom the bottom.

Karen
reeds@openix.com

> Hi all, been lurking on the list for a while.. Have a rather unusual request.
>Has anyone ever folded something resembling an abacus?. I'm now with a group
>called ABACAS (Applied Behavioural Analysis Children and Supporters) which
>is a body for children with autism.. and thought it would be great as a
>promotional tool.

>
>The beads would not have to move.. just as long as the model was
>recognisable.. modular would do too!
>
>If anyone  knows of the existence of such a model please let me know.
>Ian
>|--------------------------  Ian & Karen  ---------------------------|
>|                                                                    |
>|NEWSGROUPS: bit.listserv.autism,alt.support.autism,rec.arts.origami |
>|IRC:        #autism on StarLink-IRC.Org, #quiz on oz.org            |
>|--------------------------------------------------------------------|
>|                 http://www.accessin.com.au/~paris/                 |
>|--------------------------------------------------------------------|
>* The secret of Origami lies not in the folding but in the unfolding *





Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:12:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: An ABACUS?

I don't remember seeing an origami abacus. However:

1) An old version of the abacus, I think, was pebbles in groves on a board.
    Fan-fold the board, and use little waterbombs for pebbles?

    If you want to get fancy, reverse the color on the top of the board,
    to mark the value-5 counter(s), and have the grooves/pleats run vertical.

    Real primitive abaci might have had 10 pebbles per column.

    The Chinese abacus evolved to two value-5 beads above the bar,
    and 5 value-1 beads below the bar, on each vertical wire.

    The Japanese abacus, the soroban, simplified that to one value-5
    and four value-1 beads, which is enough to represent all the values
    0 thru 9.

2) It is possible to "raise" a semi-detached flap from a sheet of paper.
    Repeating this technique, to get an array of flaps, that can be
    toggle-flipped back and forth (away from or toward the user),
    would get you a functioning one-piece abacus. I'm afraid I'm
    not in the mood to try to design one just now, tho. Sorry.
    Maybe someone else feels like it?

Aloha,
Kenneth M. Kawamura    kenny1414@aol.com





Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:48:37 -1000
From: Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@ALOHA.NET>
Subject: flower instruction on website

I'm being asked how to fold a flower by an emailer; does anyone have
flower instructions on their website I can refer him/her to?
                Thank you, Jan
--
<http://www.gotomymall.com/hawaii/origami/>
Origami by Jan website...the Fodor folder





Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:53:00 -1000
From: Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@ALOHA.NET>
Subject: Re: Introduction to the internet...

Bernie Cosell wrote:
>
> On 16 Feb 98 at 16:13, Wayne Fluharty wrote:
>
> > Where can I find _____:
> > Once again, use the search engines. I searched for "+origami +used" once
> > and found a copy of Harbin's "Origami" for $2.00. ...
>
> Let me let you folks in on something that completely changed the
> complexion of the web for me [and those of you who know some about me
> know that I ain't no novice, so that's *really* saying something].  If
> you're running Win95, run, don't walk, to http://www.ferretsoft.com and
> download "webferret".  It is -free- and it is the single most useful web
> utility I've run into before or since.  Trust me: it will change forever
> how you find things on the web and how useful the web is as a resource.
>
>   /Bernie\
> --
> Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
> mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
>     -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--

Chris,
        Have you come across this?  I tried to download it but, again, my lack
of know-how stumps me.  We will be getting that second line but till
then I'll save this.  Mom
--
<http://www.gotomymall.com/hawaii/origami/>
Origami by Jan website...the Fodor folder





Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:58:16 -1000
From: Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@ALOHA.NET>
Subject: Another goof apology

Sorry. Send "Chris" message to wrong address.  Mom
--
<http://www.gotomymall.com/hawaii/origami/>
Origami by Jan website...the Fodor folder





Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:04:24 -1000
From: Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@ALOHA.NET>
Subject: Re: flower instruction on website
Julius Kusserow wrote:
>
> 0
> On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Paul & Jan Fodor wrote:
>
> > I'm being asked how to fold a flower by an emailer; does anyone have
> > flower instructions on their website I can refer him/her to?
> >                 Thank you, Jan
> > --
> > <http://www.gotomymall.com/hawaii/origami/>
> > Origami by Jan website...the Fodor folder
> >
>
> You can find flowers at
>
> on Alex Bateman`s Homepage
> "flower form" by Nick Robinson
>
> http://www.sanger.ac.uk/~agb/Origami/origami.html
>
> on Origami Interst group
> "Andrea's Rose" by J.C. Nolan
> "Dahlia" by Maarten van Gelder
> "Rose" by Toshikazu Kawasaki
>
> ftp://ftp.rug.nl/origami/models/index.htm
>
> on Nick Robinson"s Page
>
> "flower form" by Nick Robinson
>
> http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk/diagrams.html
>
> on OxLip's Oracle of Origami
>
> "rose" by ?? (seems traditional)
>
>
 http://www.shocking.com/~oxlip/archive.htmlhttp://www.shocking.com/~oxlip/archi
 v
>  e.html
>
> Good luck, if its not enough I try to find more
>
> Julius

Thank you Julius.  I will refer this to the emailer and let you know if
he wants more.   Aloha, Jan
--
<http://www.gotomymall.com/hawaii/origami/>
Origami by Jan website...the Fodor folder





Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:23:05 -1000
From: Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@ALOHA.NET>
Subject: Re: mobiles

PErick3491@AOL.COM wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
> I have two questions.  I like making mobiles with origami models and got my
> class enthusiastic about making a butterfly mobile and sending it to Ronald
> McDonald House.  When I did the prototype, however, I couldn't get the
> butterflies to stay balanced.  They all looked as if they had been sprayed
> with a big dose of insecticide and were hanging there dead.  Any ideas?  Also,
> I recently switched from Windows 3.1 to 95 and now can't make any of the links
> on Joseph Wu's page.  Just get some message about the browser (explorer) not
> being able to find the header.  I know this isn't exactly origami,  but any
> suggestions would be appreciated.  Thanks in advance.  Pat

Yoshizawa's butterfly in Museum of Animals worked well when pierced
through the head with a headpin.  However, I don't have the final fold
in the head as he does.  Aloha, Jan
--
<http://www.gotomymall.com/hawaii/origami/>
Origami by Jan website...the Fodor folder





Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:29:23 -1000
From: Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@ALOHA.NET>
Subject: Re: mobiles

I forgot to mention something in regards to piercing headpin through the
head ... it might make a difference to the balance, because I make
jewelry with my models, I glue down all the "flaps".  The wings have two
spots on the head that are glued down.  Aloha, Jan





Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 01:17:53 -1000
From: Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@ALOHA.NET>
Subject: Re: Languages

David,
        I enjoyed that little diversion.  Have you ever heard Hawaiian pidgin
English?  You'd appreciate the diversity of languages, the translations
that include all the structural differences in languages, and borrowed
words of course.  Even now after using words I've learned as a child,
I'm discovering errors in what I thought came from one language really
came from another. Sample of pidgin..."You go stay go, I come by'm by".
Aloha, Jan





Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:12:58 -0600
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Garc=EDa_Macias_Carlos?= <CGMACIAS@TELMEX.NET>
Subject: Re: cancel my club

Every Folder wrote:

        >I think I made a terrible mistake.  There should not be a
unafolder fan
        >club.  We should not discuss such business here.
        >
        >Everyfolder

Aha!

at least we know that Every Folder and Unafolder are the same (if not,
why
"I made a terrible mistake..." and "my  (fan) club..."?)

/8-) Carlos Garca M
cgmacias@telmex.net





Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:23:00 -0500
From: Amanda Mathiesen <mathiesn@TIAC.NET>
Subject: person with origami dream
Comments: To: origami@MIT.EDU

Dear origami enthusiasts--

I am new to this list, and am writing to ask for advice.  Here's the
situation:  I am a reference librarian/onetime origami dabbler, and one of
my favorite library patrons, Mr. Wang, recently came to the library to ask
for help in attaining his dream.  He wants to teach origami classes on the
college level, and he wants to write a book on origami.  I have seen his
models, and they are gorgeous.  He mostly does large, radially symmetric,
3-D works in an unusual and self-devised style.  His creations include
peacocks, lamps, and intricate vases.

Could anybody tell me if they have heard of origami classes being taught on
the college level?  I know from reading the foreword to "Folding the
Universe" that Peter Engel was working with Dr. Arthur Loeb at Harvard, but
other than that, I don't know much about connections between origami and
academia.  Mr. Wang was hoping there might be some kind of academic program
in the "paper arts" that he could contact, but when I look through the
basic reference sources (Peterson's, etc.), I don't find anything.

Then there's the issue of wanting to publish a book.  Neither Mr. Wang nor
I know much about the publishing world.  He would like a collaborator.
Does anybody have thoughts on how we might go about finding a collaborator?
 Has anybody had good experiences with particular publishers?  I should
also mention that Mr. Wang speaks fluent Chinese and servicable English.

Thank you for your thoughts on this.  I feel like I'm in a bit over my
head, but I would like to help my friend.

Amanda Mathiesen
Waltham Public Library
Waltham, MA  02154





Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:15:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Wayne Fluharty <wflu@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Introduction to the internet...

Ok. I apologize for tryin' to be helpful. I didn't realize I was so
misinformed.

About the language converter. I never said it was perfect. But it's the
closest that some of us will ever get to a real interpreter. If it even
converts just a few of the words that I see, then I am happy with it. It
has already helped me several times. But since it doesn't say it exactly
the way that you want to see it, then don't use it.

About the money converter. If I go to the Java converter which has up to
the minute rate exchanges and I key in the currancy from/to and it tells
me exactly what it comes out to, and I don't have to dig through the
paper and do the math myself, then I consider it a valuable resource.
But if you prefer to use the newspaper, then don't use the on-line
converter.

As far as searches go, there are thousands of ways to do them and I
specified to do it in whichever search engine you use. I am thankful for
the responses that people gave where that ADDED information to mine that
lets me know about other options availble. I believe the some person who
mentioned WebFerret this time, mentioned it several months back and I've
used it frequently since the first time they mentioned it.

If something doesn't work for you or do something the way that you want
it to, then don't assume that applies to all of us.

I never realzied that origami-ists were such perfectionists. I guess if
you aren't happy with a model the first time you fold it, you give up on
it and tell others not to try it...

Thanks for listenin' to my ramblins',
Wayne Fluharty
wflu@hotmail.com

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:49:10 -0500
From: DGS - Kevin Kinney PhD <kkinney@CAROLINAS.ORG>
Subject: Re: person with origami dream
Comments: To: origami@MIT.EDU

It would seem to me that teaching origami at the college level is an
achievable goal, with a little spin-work.  Is Mr. Wang already associated
with a college?  If so, I imagine things become considerably easier.
Otherwise, he's first going to have to approach adepartment and convince
them to let him teach

A specific program in "paper arts" might help, but is hardly necessary.
There are some alternate angles to try.  Angles I'd think to try are:

        Through art departments:  the obvious.  Origami can be every bit as
complex a form of sculpture as work in clay, marble, etc.

        Mathematics:  Origami provides excellent lessons in practical
mathematics.  Recall the sightings recently of Tom Hull's work in Science
and in the Chronicle of Higher Education.

        Education:  Related to the Math point: origami can be used to help
illustrate mathematical, especially geometric, concepts to students at
various levels.  See "Math in motion" or the COET book (someone else should
be able to lead you to these...)

        Engineering:  The application of math to real world objects, coming
up with designs which fall within the constraints of the materials
provided.  Use paper.

        Asian Studies:  following the historical development of origami
forms, deeply rooted in Asian culture.  Might combine well with the Art
class as an art history, cross-listed course.

        Keys to succeeding in convincing them will include there being some
student demand.  Back in undergraduate, we got the foreign language
department to offer Japanese by simply coming up with a class-sized
petition (25 students or  so) of people who were interested.

        It would probably be helpful if he had a syllabus for a proposed
class available, or at least a prospectus.  That would likely depend on the
department he went through (see above).

  I have seen his
>models, and they are gorgeous.  He mostly does large, radially symmetric,
>3-D works in an unusual and self-devised style.  His creations include
>peacocks, lamps, and intricate vases.
>

        They sound nifty.  Are they modular, by any chance?

I am sure others will have even more useful information, but I thought I'd
start things a bit...

Kevin

Kevin Kinney
kkinney@carolinas.org





Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:51:08 -0500
From: Dahlia Schwartz <dahlias@BU.EDU>
Subject: Re: An ABACUS?

Just a thought -- but I seem to recall that the person who initially
posed this intriguing problem mentioned Brill's nut & bolt...also in
"Brilliant Origami" is a model of a woven polygonic (almost spherical)
unit.  Perhaps you could work something out to use these as the
beads--since they have spaces through which a string could pass easily

The cubes (w/ one sheet of paper) in O for the Connisseur are also quite
sturdy.  Using them as building blocks might work out to form some sort
of a frame.

-Peace

Dahlia





Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:47:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Kenny1414@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Introduction to the internet...

Aloha, Wayne Fluharty,

In a message dated 98-02-18 13:46:29 EST, you write:
>
>  Ok. I apologize for tryin' to be helpful. I didn't realize I was so
>  misinformed.
>  ...
>  About the language converter. I never said it was perfect. But it's the
>  closest that some of us will ever get to a real interpreter. ...
>
>  About the money converter. ... I don't have to dig through the
>  paper and do the math myself,...
>
>  As far as searches go, there are thousands of ways to do them ...
>
>  I never realzied that origami-ists were such perfectionists. I guess if
>  you aren't happy with a model the first time you fold it, you give up on
>  it and tell others not to try it...
>

(Normally I'm a lurker, but this sounded serious, coming from you,
whom I don't expect it from, so I'm poking my nose in. No offense intended.)

Oh dear, you sound like your feelings were hurt. I'm pretty sure that wasn't
the intention. Please be assured, I appreciate your attempt to help,
as well as all the other people who jumped in to try to help. And I'm
sure most of us do. I really don't think the comments were meant as
criticism or personal attacks.

Do realize that, even tho you never said the language converter
was perfect, there are people who will infer that, simply because you
didn't qualify your referral. And it is possible that someone
could rely on it and get hurt, so the warnings about its limitations
were necessary and timely. The warnings are not meant as
criticism of you. They're only meant to try to protect the
over-optimists, like me. (I not only want to know that it is
available, but need to know how far to trust it.)

I really was hoping the translator would do better than it
apparently does. Ans I would have loved a Japanese/English
translator, with some way to input Kanji. *sigh*.

(All six of my grandparents were Japanese, I think.
And I was born and raised in Honolulu. Did I pick up any Japanese?
Heck no! I didn't even manage to learn Pidgin.
I know a handful of words in Japanese, Chinese, Hawaiian, Latin,
Spanish, Russian, Greek, ..., but not enough to converse.
*heavy sigh*. No linguistic talents  to speak of.)

Re: the money converter, I agree about preferring automation
to calculating it myself.  I was a math major,
and can do the calculations, but it's a bother.

And if you think about it, you do know that some origamists
are perfectionists. I mean really, look at Master Yoshizawa,
no criticism intended. Or, for that matter, look at some of
the nit-picky discussions in this list. *grin*.

I'm sure these people don't mean to tell others not to try it
(tho that may be what they sounded like at first).
Those were just warnings for people like me, who might
otherwise go and shoot ourselves in the foot.

(Try to imagine the worst possible case. Believe me, that's
not as bad as it can get. I can be incredibly accident prone.
And I'm lucky.)

(In school, I used to get lower grades on tests than I should have,
because I tended to rush into answering, without fully reading and
understanding the question. I don't have a lot of common sense
and need the warnings and handholding.)

It sounds like either you're having a bad day, or something else
is bothering you, and this exchange of e-mail is the
proverbial last straw that triggered an outburst. 'S Ok.
Sympathy, and hope you feel better soon.

Aloha,

Kenneth M. Kawamura    kenny1414@aol.com





Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:24:39 -0500
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: Re: person with origami dream

Years ago, when I was at UCBerkeley, there was a department
of Decorative Arts, where Ceramics, Textile Arts, etc. were
taught.

UCDavis has a Crafts Center, where anyone can submit a class
proposal; the center has classes currently in papermaking,
marbling, jewelry, weaving, and most of the other "crafts"
that are practiced as "arts", depending on who is doing it.

Many colleges and universities also have "experimental"
programs or colleges, where new or off the beaten path
class proposals are welcome.

All of these can lead to more formal arrangements.

Valerie Vann





Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:45:01 +0100
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Subject: Re: Introduction to the internet...

Joseph,
At 17.03 16/2/1998 -0800, you wrote:
>>Inability to read _____:
>>I've just discovered that Alta Vista (www.altavista.com) has a language
>>translater on their web site.

>Be warned. This is outdated technology (circa 1990) that failed miserably
>commercially and has been refurbished for the Web. The translations are not
>very good because the programs are hopelessly literal.

I agree. The results are often exhilarating... you just get a very broad
meaning of what's in the text, but nothing more. And I don't seem to have
noticed any "Japanese-to-English" option.....

Roberto
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:45:02 +0100
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@ZEN.IT>
Subject: Re: Introduction to the internet...

Wayne,
At 16.13 16/2/1998 PST, you wrote:

>>How much does a book cost in MY currency?

>I found a Java money converter on the net once

<:-( ?????
Wouldn't it be easier to have a look at the current exchange rates in the
financial page of your newspaper ?

Roberto
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ITALY                     |  what I have written ! :-)
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:56:57 -0800
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Subject: Re: Japanese / English Translator

>I don't know Japanese (otherwise I
>wouldn't be making this suggestion) so I don't even know if this is
>possible (maybe because Japanese is too complex or because standard email
>programs can't handle Japanese symbols (if that's the case maybe someone
>could put them on their web page)).

Japanese can't be handled by regular email programs.

>But, my thought - maybe someone who
>knows Japanese could give a cross-reference of the top 20 (?) origami
>related Japanese symbols (origami symbols and those that help understand
>origami instructions and those that help navigate the book and diagrams)
>and what they mean in English.
>
>I'm not going to offer a list of things to translate - if anyone offers to
>do this it would be good to have input from the whole group.

As if I don't have enough to do...but I'll take a shot at this. Let's get
that list going! Who wants to know what?

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:09:46 -0800
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Subject: Re: Introduction to the internet...

>Ok. I apologize for tryin' to be helpful. I didn't realize I was so
>misinformed.

Hey, man, take it easy. The rest of us are just trying to help, too. No
one's out to get you here.

>About the language converter. I never said it was perfect. But it's the
>closest that some of us will ever get to a real interpreter. If it even
>converts just a few of the words that I see, then I am happy with it. It
>has already helped me several times. But since it doesn't say it exactly
>the way that you want to see it, then don't use it.

Sorry I jumped all over this one. Since the parent company to the place
where I work is a translation company, this issue is one that we deal with
all the time, and I tend to respond to it very briskly. However, as for the
programs not saying "it exactly the way you want to see it", that's not the
point. The point is that the translations given are not correct, so what it
gives you may be way off from what the writer originally meant. Try running
"That is so cool!" into the translator and see what you get out of it. More
likely than no, you'll get something that talks about temperature.

>If something doesn't work for you or do something the way that you want
>it to, then don't assume that applies to all of us.

Ditto, right back at you.

>I never realzied that origami-ists were such perfectionists. I guess if
>you aren't happy with a model the first time you fold it, you give up on
>it and tell others not to try it...

Some of us are, some of us aren't (perfectionists, that is). But I don't
think your second statement is accurate.

>Thanks for listenin' to my ramblins',

We listen to EVERYONE's ramblin's on this list, Wayne. I've put my foot in
my mouth (electronically speaking) many times already, but people here
still put up with me. We're allowed to be wrong, and being corrected does
not mean that the one doing the correcting looks down upon you.

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:41:03 -0500
From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Subject: Japanese / English Translator
Comments: To: origami-l <origami@MIT.EDU>

Well, with all the talk about there being no good J2E translator maybe now
would be a good time to bring up something that's been on my mind for a
while.

I have done enough Fuse to muddle my way through the diagrams but it's
always a hunt and peck method, "let's see if it still means the same thing
I thought it meant last time I thought I had it figured out". When I think
about it I guess I just look for numbers and try to figure out, looking at
the diagrams, what they must mean. I don't know Japanese (otherwise I
wouldn't be making this suggestion) so I don't even know if this is
possible (maybe because Japanese is too complex or because standard email
programs can't handle Japanese symbols (if that's the case maybe someone
could put them on their web page)). But, my thought - maybe someone who
knows Japanese could give a cross-reference of the top 20 (?) origami
related Japanese symbols (origami symbols and those that help understand
origami instructions and those that help navigate the book and diagrams)
and what they mean in English.

I'm not going to offer a list of things to translate - if anyone offers to
do this it would be good to have input from the whole group.

Jeff "just-a-thought" Kerwood
jkerwood@usaor.net





Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:09:02 -0500
From: "MARGARET M. BARBER" <mbarber@WELCHLINK.WELCH.JHU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Fuse Box Questions

Thank you Carole, Joseph, and Rob for your help in answering my questions!
What a great resource this list is. This really helps!
Thanks,
Peg Barber
mbarber@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu





Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:15:20 -0500
From: Rob Hudson <rhudson@NETRAX.NET>
Subject: Re: person with origami dream

I did a 3-credit independent study on origami-- i'd be happy to send along
the "syllabus" I created for myself.

Rob

At 09:23 AM 2/18/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Dear origami enthusiasts--
>
>I am new to this list, and am writing to ask for advice.  Here's the
>situation:  I am a reference librarian/onetime origami dabbler, and one of
>my favorite library patrons, Mr. Wang, recently came to the library to ask
>for help in attaining his dream.  He wants to teach origami classes on the
>college level, and he wants to write a book on origami.  I have seen his
>models, and they are gorgeous.  He mostly does large, radially symmetric,
>3-D works in an unusual and self-devised style.  His creations include
>peacocks, lamps, and intricate vases.
>
>Could anybody tell me if they have heard of origami classes being taught on
>the college level?  I know from reading the foreword to "Folding the
>Universe" that Peter Engel was working with Dr. Arthur Loeb at Harvard, but
>other than that, I don't know much about connections between origami and
>academia.  Mr. Wang was hoping there might be some kind of academic program
>in the "paper arts" that he could contact, but when I look through the
>basic reference sources (Peterson's, etc.), I don't find anything.
>
>Then there's the issue of wanting to publish a book.  Neither Mr. Wang nor
>I know much about the publishing world.  He would like a collaborator.
>Does anybody have thoughts on how we might go about finding a collaborator?
> Has anybody had good experiences with particular publishers?  I should
>also mention that Mr. Wang speaks fluent Chinese and servicable English.
>
>Thank you for your thoughts on this.  I feel like I'm in a bit over my
>head, but I would like to help my friend.
>
>Amanda Mathiesen
>Waltham Public Library
>Waltham, MA  02154





Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:27:14 -0700
From: Kim Best <kim.best@M.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Help w/ insects...

Gerry & Robin Lempicki wrote:

>  Robin liked the looks of the Praying
> Mantis, so I said what the heck?!  Well, I have about 6 attempts under my
> belt, and around step 50 or 51 my paper is completely shot!  It tears or
> gets a big hole at this point.  I have been using 10" square origami paper.
> What can I do to get further here?  --

In addition to going light on the creases.  You might want to try using a paper
other than kami.  The best model, I have been able to achieve with kami, still
had a big white burr on the top of the neck.  (It might be my imagination, but I
swear I can see a burr in the same place, on the mantis photo in Lang's book.)

I have been able to fold a really good model with a 10 inch square of Ryomen
Zome.
It's available from Fantastic Folds, or Kim's Crane.  Although they both seem to
have only 6 inch squares, at this time.  Are the 10 inch squares available?  I
have also seen good results with Notahyde.

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:20:54 -0500
From: "Daniel J. Byrne & Candice Bradley" <djbyrne@POP.ATHENET.NET>
Subject: origami at the college level (was "origami dream")

I'd love to see an origami independent study syllabus too!   Would you mind
posting it on a web page?   By the way, what kind of prof supervised your
independent study?

Rob Hudson wrote:

> I did a 3-credit independent study on origami-- i'd be happy to send along
> the "syllabus" I created for myself.

I teach at a small private college in Wisconsin and can't imagine how an origami
class could make it onto the "real" list here (getting it past the right
committees and then past the entire voting faculty, etc.), although independent
studies are a definite possibility.  I would advise the person with the origami
dream to approach large institutions rather than small ones if he wants to get
onto the regular schedule and actually get paid for his work.   I do  remember
taking some really interesting evening classes at UCLA a couple of decades ago,
such things as "Zen Buddhism" where koans were homework.  The profs who taught
these classes were not necessarily folks with PhDs -- the Zen teacher was a monk
with a shaved head, for example.

I am glad this threat got started, because until now it hadn't occurred to me to
actually *offer* an independent study in origami.  I was hoping some students
would show up and want to fold with me, but it hasn't happened.   I am an
anthropologist and not a math teacher (although I do have a lot of math
background).  I would have to think about ways to make the study of origami
appropriately scholarly and anthropological were I to arrange such an
independent study.   The math direction is obvious, but what about things
cross-cultural, social, historical, psychological and/or economic?

Candice





Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:22:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Wayne Fluharty <wflu@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Introduction to the internet...

Okay. It sounds like I owe another apology to the list (only this time
an honest one...)

Kenneth hit the nail right on the head (Aloha Kenneth). Stress at work
has been phenominal and my ulcer medication hasn't been workin' as
effectively lately (Yes, I do use origami for stress relief. No, I
haven't done enough lately). My last e-mail sounded a lot harsher than
was intended.

Sometimes I feel like I can't contribute enough to the list. My origami
is nowhere near as advanced as most and I usually have the same
questions that most of the others post. However, computers are one thing
that I do know 'bout (they are also my life as a programmer...). I
recently had an e-mail from someone wantin' to know if I was into
origami 'cause he had seen a purchase that I had made of an origami CD.
I had the chance to introduce him to Joseph Wu's page, the origami
mailin' list (Howdy Jeff!) and (hopefully) a lot of information
available on the net 'bout origami. I realized at this time that many on
the list may not realize some of the things available on the internet. I
thought it would be good to introduce some of the things that I had
discovered along the way (although not all!) and maybe get a discussion
goin' 'bout different advantages available with the net. As soon as it
was posted though, I started gettin' e-mails (personal and through the
list) negatin' what I had said 'bout things that I use with (usually)
much success. I guess one of them just hit at the wrong time. So when I
finally find an area that I believe I can contribute in and my legs get
knocked out from under me (dramatic overstatement), well...

Also, just as a point of note, 'bout the time that I introduced someone
"everyfolder". Makes you wonder what newbies to the list think of some
of this when they come in on the middle of it...

Anyway, I apologize again (sincerely) for the general tone of my last
e-mail and any confusion caused along the way.

Now, I'm gonna go fold a couple of Kawasaki roses (both versions) and
try to get my pulse down...

Thanks,
Wayne "Flu" Fluharty
wflu@hotmail.com

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:24:27 +0800
From: Ian & Karen Mitchell <paris@ACCESSIN.COM.AU>
Subject: translator
Comments: To: origami@MIT.EDU

Joseph Wu wrote:
>Be warned. This is outdated technology (circa 1990) that failed miserably
>commercially and has been refurbished for the Web. The translations are not
>very good because the programs are hopelessly literal.

Reminds me of the first translators: "Out of Sight Out of Mind" to russian
and back became "Invisible Idiot"

As to Wayne Fluharty who wrote:
>Where can I find _____:
>Once again, use the search engines. I searched for "+origami +used" once
>and found a copy of Harbin's "Origami" for $2.00.
Most of us do use search engines with all the options + U: etc
I use lycos, yahoo, altavista, and a few others. Looking for models I use
Josephs wonderful search engine.. but occsionally we just have to ask.. this
being the best group and most knowledgeable in the field of origami.. surely
it must be or count as the "search engine " of choice for the more obscure
models

PS.. any news on an Abacus folded from paper :)

Ian
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:28:09 -0500
From: Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Help w/ Lang Butterfly

I'm unclear as to what exactly to do on step 30... there are three flaps
on either side, and when I stretch them I just get a mess... I'm unsure as
to how the pleats should go.

--Chinh Nguyen chinhsta@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu

"Life is hard... and life is good."  -- Splinter, _TMNT_
        (Yes, it's a cliche.  Sometimes things are cliches because they're
        *true*!)





Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 04:26:03 -0500
From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Subject: Re: Japanese / English Translator

Joseph wrote:

> >But, my thought - maybe someone who
> >knows Japanese could give a cross-reference of the top 20 (?) origami
> >related Japanese symbols

> As if I don't have enough to do...but I'll take a shot at this. Let's get
> that list going! Who wants to know what?

Thank you Joseph. Here's my list but I'd hope you'll wait to hear if others
are interested before you spend time on this.

Joseph, you might approach this in either of two ways. One, just address
items in the first group. These are what would be most helpful (to me
anyway - esp the first item). Or, do everything in the list. Items in the
second group might prove helpful at times, would be of interest and would
add to our general knowledge, but mostly they can be determined from the
diagrams.

Number Context (here maybe it might
  be easiest for you to look at a few
  Japanese books and anywhere you
  see numbers define the symbols that
  would make the numbers make sense
  (this also would apply to "stand-alone"
  letters))
Unfold To Step 13
Go to page 12 step 6
Start at page 12 step 6
As in step 6 page 12
Repeat Steps 12 - 15
Make 6  Of These
Version (e.g. 12 unit Version)
Variation

Origami
Modular
Mountain
Valley
Open Sink
Closed Sink
Inside Reverse
Outside Reverse
Squash
Pleat
[Various Bases]
Crimp
Rabbit-ear
Model
Petal Fold
Paper
Join
Fold
Unfold
Turn Model Over
Repeat Behind
Repeat 1x Times
Pull Out
Top Layer
Insert
Pocket
Square
Rectangle
Triangle
Pentagon
Hexagon
A4
Corner
Edge
Point
Rotate
Slide
Top
Bottom
Right
Left
Center
45 degrees
90 degrees
180 degrees
Enlarged View
Reduced View
One-Half
One-Third
One-Quarter
First
Second
Third
Swivel
Precrease
Tuck Under
20 Units
Narrow

Thanks again,
Jeff
jkerwood@usaor.net





Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 05:22:14 -0800
From: Eric Eros <eros@MOHAWK.ENGR.SGI.COM>
Subject: Re: Japanese / English Translator

>But, my thought - maybe someone who
>knows Japanese could give a cross-reference of the top 20 (?) origami
>related Japanese symbols (origami symbols and those that help understand
>origami instructions and those that help navigate the book and diagrams)
>and what they mean in English.
>

If you have a good origami book in Japanese, the top dozen or so
origami-related
words have been defined for you with pictures in the front.  In an English book
we'd say the words describe the pictures (reverse fold, closed sink, etc.), but
since we understand the folds and not the Japanese we can use the pictures to
translate for us.  I suggest that the first thing you do is get such an origami
book.  I know that the books by Fumiaki Kawahata and Issei Yoshino have such
diagram definitions in the front.  In my experience, this is most of what you
need.  You would also like to know what the particular author uses to say
"Now do all those folds, but reversed, on the other side".  The other thing
that you would like is on the steps where the diagrams don't help, but the
author has devoted a paragraph or two to describing the amazingly difficult
thing s/he's done, what the author's saying.  I think this is beyond any help
save learning some of the language.  Good luck.

--
Eric Eros





Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:10:36 +0000 (GMT)
From: Andrew Daw <andrewd@REDAC.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Help w/ Lang Butterfly
Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85]

> I'm unclear as to what exactly to do on step 30... there are three flaps
> on either side, and when I stretch them I just get a mess... I'm unsure as
> to how the pleats should go.

Yes, I wasn't sure at first.  The diagram doesn't help as the pleats are
all hidden inside the result.  This is a bit fiddly although not difficult.

1) Try and open out the central creased section as much as possible without
   putting in further creases.
2) Now the fun bit. Fold the bottom row under for the extent of the creased
   boxes made in steps 26 & 27.  When you come to the last box on the left
   and right squash it in half diagonally.  This will make a strip a like
   the one showing in step 31.
3) The next row of boxes you fold up and crease the next set of boxes in
   from the left instead.
4) By folding in alternate directions and reducing the length of the crease
   by one box at a time as you work up you will end up with a strip of
   pleated paper as in step 31.
5) Make the diagonal folds to hold the paper flat and you are ready to do
   it three more times.

Andrew Daw





Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:07:22 -0600
From: Tom Hill <tomh@GROUPWORKS.COM>
Subject: Re: Introduction to the internet...

Wayne Fluharty wrote:

> ...
> Now, I'm gonna go fold a couple of Kawasaki roses (both versions) and
> try to get my pulse down...
>
> Thanks,
> Wayne "Flu" Fluharty
> wflu@hotmail.com
>

Wayne,

I noticed something, while reading your note, that really made me laugh. I
hope you'll take it in the same light-hearted way that it hit me.

Have you noticed how serendipitously appropriate your e-mail address is in
relation to this whole silly incident?

wflu@HOTMAIL.com

For some reason, this really hit me as hilarious this morning.

Keep folding!

Peace,

Tom Hill
tomh@groupworks.com

PS: It's not just you, I smile every time I see a hotmail address, because
Microsoft now owns hotmail, and the first dozen or so messages that I got
from hotmail addresses were of the "XXX" variety. Synchronicity is such a
curious thing.





Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:30:59 -0500
From: GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU
Subject: Re: origami at the college level (was "origami dream")

I've been contemplating giving a math course with a lot of origami
content next semester. I'm fairly certain I could get it approved,
but then again, I am senior faculty in my dept. I'm not sure that
someone could come in and do the same thing if they weren't associated
with our institution for a while. I have to make a decision soon.

In another vein, I do workshops for teachers, at their schools. The
teachers get CEU (Continuing Education Units) which count toward
maintaining their licenses. Companies provide these CEU's as well
as school systems and colleges and universities. It's not easy to
break in here either.

It seems the place that it is easiest to break in to is adult education.
Also, giving talks at conferences or days for the gifted exposes you to
people who might potentially hire you.

I also do classes at libraries (usually for a fee) and feel that all of
these activities are *building* a market for origami services.

Rona
