




Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 09:30:24 +0100
From: Julius Kusserow <juku@STUDI.MATHEMATIK.HU-BERLIN.DE>
Subject: Re: Animated GIFs of Origami ?

On Fri, 6 Feb 1998, Ariel wrote:

> Does anyone have any animated GIF of a folding ?
>
I saw a list of animated GIFs on the BARF site

http://www.krmusic.com/barfup/barf.htm

under action-pictures  ,but I had not the time to look this pictures. Just
try!

Julius Kusserow





Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 10:11:51 +0100
From: Ariel <ariel@DATAPHONE.SE>
Subject: Does anyone know where to buy Viva Origami ?

Hi !!
        Does anyone know where to buy Viva Origami

( this book here->

 http://www.ask.or.jp/~origami/t/People/MAEK0/VIVA-e.html

)

        Thanks





Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 08:19:17 -0500
From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Subject: Re: new 2 the list

Eric van Looijengoed wrote:

> Next question is more for all Europeans (Dutchy's even?? :) ), although
> help from everywhere
> would be great.
> Where, and how do you get the books you want?
> Are there specialized bookstores in the Netherlands, and other European
> countrys?
> Or do you order them on the web (amazon etc.)?
> Do i have to get them from "overseas", or are there some good sources
here
> in Europe?

Well I'll give this one a go.

I'm a US'er and many of our book stores have origami books. But for the
most part the selection is VERY limited. I have found the easiest way to
get books is to order them over the internet. Here are some places to look.
This is not a complete list, just what comes to mind. A good place to
searching for more info is Joseph Wu's page (if you look no where else -
look there!!!) - http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca (I think this is the
currentest URL, if not would somebody please correct me (thanks)).

http://www.kimscrane.com/
http://www.fascinating-folds.com/
http://www.origami-usa.org/
http://www.amazon.com/
http://world.std.com/~sasuga/origami1.html

Something here should be able to help you.

Welcome to the fold (someone had to say it so I'll be the one to get it out
of the way ;-) ).

Jeff
jkerwood@usaor.net





Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 13:39:02 +0100
From: Eric van Looijengoed <ekko@EVLOOIJE.DEMON.NL>
Subject: new 2 the list

Hi all,

Well, guess the subject says it all.
I'm new to the list, and also new to Origami.
I subscribed with the idea of "lurk'n learn", but since unasked
questions can't be answered, and talking is fun, i decided to speak up. ;)

first something about me.
My name is Eric van Looijengoed, i'm Married, and got 2 kids (2 and 4 years
old)
I'm 32 years "old", and my hobby's are computers, Philosophy, and Origami.
I live in the Netherlands, and since English isn't my native
language......well....
Spell Checkers *on* ;)

How i got into Origami?
That's another story, kinda funny, but i will save that for another time.

After some "diagram downloading" from the ftp server in Groningen (ftp.rug.nl)
i quickly found out that i needed more info about the different kind of folds,
so of to the local library i went.
Since Dutch library's carry only books that are translated into Dutch (well
allmost
that is), and since not many Origami books are tranlated into Dutch, i
ended up with
....that's right......a few books. :)

One of the books was Classic Origami by Paul Jackson (isbn 90-252-93107).
It's a book for the beginning Origamist (that's me) and there are about 30
models
in it, by different well knowns, including a butterfly, by Yoshizawa, and
(oooh WOW,
 i went) a Rhino by Dave Brill.
This book gave me many, many hours of joy, and i learned alot from it.
Since the rhino is the last model in the book, logicaly (to me anyway) it
was the last
model i folded, and WOW.....look, there it is!!...standing on top of my
Aquarium.

Well, it's not perfect, and i will fold it again,  and again, but it
actualy looks like
the model in the book. :)

Ok, kind of a longish story all together, so on to some of my questions.

First question is for all of you.
Since i really like the style of models, like the rhino, i was wondering if
you all could
give me some pointers, as of what book to read (buy probably, remember our
library :) )
next.
I think you know (if you know the rhino) at what level i am, and if it's
not to much work,
i would like a small list (incl. isbn numbers) of books that would "fit" me.

Next question is more for all Europeans (Dutchy's even?? :) ), although
help from everywhere
would be great.
Where, and how do you get the books you want?
Are there specialized bookstores in the Netherlands, and other European
countrys?
Or do you order them on the web (amazon etc.)?
Do i have to get them from "overseas", or are there some good sources here
in Europe?

Last question is about paper.
I folded the rhino with a large sheet (50X50 cm) of "bookcovering" paper.
The paper is brown, and rough on one side, and darkgrey (that realy does it
for the rhino)
and slightly coated on the other side.
It's probably not the best paper for the job, and when it comes to the
folding itself, i
think that paper that is rough on both sides is easier in use.
Amazingly enough the outcome looks great.
Question is: "Did anyone else ever used paper similar like the one is used,
and how did
it work out?

Ok, that's all for now, looks like i'll be on the the question side, rather
then the
answer side for awhile since there's lots to learn.
Sorry again for the kind of longish posting, but hey, i had to introduce
myself ;)

TIA,

Eric

Eric (Ekko) van Looijengoed
ekko@evlooije.demon.nl
Eric.Looijengoed@net.HCC.nl





Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 14:11:03 +0100
From: Ariel <ariel@DATAPHONE.SE>
Subject: Re: other forms of showing folds

>Janne Mantyla wrote:
>
>> 2) Does anyone know of any project that had tryed
>>    to model paper and perhaps interactive folding
>>    in 3D ? I'd like to have pointers...
>
>check out gpa.zip on cica & other archives.
>"greatest paper airplanes" kind of old but impressive.
>animated folding with pauses, or 3d view control with stills.
>foreward, reverse, ff etc.  Shareware version has 5 models.
>I dont know if source is available or not.

That Kittyhawk software is great !!!

Here is their homepage:

(http://www.khs.com/khs/sharegpa.htm),

but unfortunately the people marketing it have some kind of brain damage.

I wrote to them suggesting that if, instead of making a closed, locked
program, to show only how to make airplanes, they just provided some
support for using it in a more generic way, like an editor, or even less: a
mere text file describing the binary format for storing animated foldings
so that one could created one's own animated foldings, then they would
target a thousand of times bigger market, because I do not think many
people are interested in making 25 versions of simple airplanes, but a lot
more many people would love (and gladly pay) to have a common tool to not
only annotate, explain, but also helps build a standart database of digrams.

It is incredible: they spent God knows how many man-hours for creating a 3d
interactive origami engine, and then they spoil it by locking it for only
paper-planes. What a waste !

However their answer when I contacted them was more than vague. I am
pasting the answer at the end of this message, in case someone with a
deeper knowledge on american business culture, or human psychology wants to
try to explain to them that they could make hundreds of times more money if
they just listened to their potential customers.

>I understand
>mathematica has paper modeling capability, check the archives
>for recent similar discussions.

As far as I heard (please correct me on this) Mathematica is a very
expensive math program costing a LOT of money, that had a crane or so for
demonstration of its capabilities, but is not the proper tool for
annotating a complex diagram, this disregarding that even if it were, not
many origamist could afford its price.

It can be perceived because of the emails on the list that a common
computer based tool is needed for storing, annotating diagrams.

I just hope it will come soon.

Next is the answer I got from the people at Kittyhawk.

cheers,

*********************************
>
>Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 14:54:00 -0700
From: Fred Hirsch <fhirsch@KHS.COM>
Subject: Re: question #2

Hello and thanks for stopping by KittyHawk's site.  Five years ago we had
the same problem you did... trying to illustrate on the computer paper
folding.  After searching for a number of months we never found any software
that would animate folding paper.  We wound up writing our own software.
It's incredibly technical internal piece of software (I don't understand how
it works myself).  The person who wrote it has a mathematics background, and
there are no visual elements to the software... just plugging in coordinates
for the different facets and then telling how to rotate the facet(s) etc...
We have had a number of requests for a software application that would allow
anyone to "virtually" fold a piece of paper, but to date have been
unsuccessful at coming up with anything.  Some of the $300.00 and less 3D
applications on the market are now beginning to get to the point where you
can fold a piece of paper, but it's still pretty technical.  I'm sorry that
I am not more help here, but it's a pretty tough task.  We have done folding
animations for some the greeting card creator products on the market.
Best Regards,
Fred
Fred Hirsch                                  (520)622-2200
KittyHawk Software, Inc.             Fax(520)622-3700
PO Box 64189                             1-800-777-5745
Tucson, AZ 85728                      http://www.khs.com/khs/
USA                                            http://www.paperparadise.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: Ariel <syn08@dataphone.se>
Date: Tuesday, December 23, 1997 9:56 AM
Subject: question #2

>I sent you a previous email, whose answer I already know since I downloaded
>and installed your software.
>
>Now the question is: what interests me most of your program is not how to
>build airplanes, but the engine for displaying and annotating foldings.
>I would like to know if it is possible to do "libraries" for your software,
>I mean that if I design an own folding I will be able to make your program
>show a 3-d animation on how to do it.
>
>In case it is possible to program/edit foldings so that your software will
>later animate them, then I would like to know if you provide such tools, at
>which price or how to get hold of such tools.
>
>thanks.





Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 14:14:11 +0000
From: Orazio Puglisi <puglisi@SCIENCE.UNITN.IT>
Subject: climber
Comments: To: origami@MIT.EDU

Hi to everybody!
I'm looking for the diagrams of the "climber" (by Lang I guess) I heard
about some weeks ago. I need them to make a birthday gift for a friend.
If there is anyone willing to send me the diagrams of this model, please
e-mail me privately. I would be glad to send other diagrams in exchange.

Happy folding from Italy

Orazio

============================================================================
Orazio Puglisi
Department of Mathematics
University of  Trento
I-38050 Povo
ITALY

puglisi@alpha.science.unitn.it





Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 14:24:30 +0000
From: John Smith <jon.pure@PASTON.CO.UK>
Subject: The Magic Rose Cube
Comments: To: origami@MIT.EDU

I have just received a copy of OUSA.s Spring Folding Sessions. I noticed
that The Magic Rose Cube by Valerie
Vann is being taught. It sounds a fascinating transformation model and I
wonder if anyone can tell me where to
get the diagrams for it.

Thanks John
John Smith
Norwich
England
e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 16:28:16 +0100
From: jpl@WWW.BARCLAB.COM
Subject: Re: new 2 the list

Eric van Looijengoed stated :

| Next question is more for all Europeans (Dutchy's even?? :) ), although
| help from everywhere would be great.
| Where, and how do you get the books you want?
| Are there specialized bookstores in the Netherlands, and other European
| countrys?
| Or do you order them on the web (amazon etc.)?
| Do i have to get them from "overseas", or are there some good sources here
| in Europe?

Hiya Eric,

If there are specialized bookstores in these parts, I haven't found them
yet. One approach you might try is to check out chain stores for remaindered/
second-hand/'ramsjt' books. I've found some nice books at De Centrale Boek-
handel, De Slegte, ... You won't find the book you're looking for, but
you might find a surprise, right?

--
 Jurgen Pletinckx                           BARC         Etre une heure, rien
 Tel +32 9 220 49 81         Fax +32 9 221 85 17         qu'une heure durant
 jpl@barclab.be                                          Beau, beau, beau
 Industriepark Zwijnaarde 7, B9052 Gent, Belgium         et con a la fois





Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 09:02:20 +0000
From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Thoki Yenn's video

If anyone is interested, Thoki's wondeful 'ORIGAMI & KIRIGAMI FROM THE
THOKI YENN ARCHIVES' is available at

http://www.bornholmershoppen.dk/videorig.html

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





Disposition-notification-to: Brett Askinazi <brett@hagerhinge.com>
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 09:34:06 -0600
From: Brett Askinazi <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
Subject: Re: precreasing with a sylus
Importance: Normal

Glad to be of service.  Now you can tackle that Kawahata Dimetrodon (Origami
Fantasy), sheesh.  Or Jeff Benyon's "Spring into Action" (Robert Lang's new
Action Origami book.

Subject: precreasing with a sylus

I'd like to thank Doug Philips and Brett Askinazi for the advice to use
an embossing stylus and straight-edge to help with precreasing spirals.
It really works.  I've got a perfect nautilus now.  Hurrah.

Candice





Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 11:25:52 -0500 (EST)
From: DORIGAMI@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: new 2 the list

Welcome to Origami and the wonderful interesting life it will give you.  Try
believe there are more than 8000 members in the Dutch Origami organization.
Get in touch with OUSA, USA at the Museum of Natural History in New York City.
They will give yu addresses of Origami groups in Holland.  Lots of luck,
Dorigami





Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 11:43:39 +0000
From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@PB.NET>
Subject: Hull on T.V.
Priority: normal
Comments: Authenticated sender is <mandrk@mail.pb.net>

I recently got to see the T.V. segment featuring Tom Hull.  What a nice
showcase it was for Tom and for origami!

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 12:42:55 -0500 (EST)
From: QuestorBI@AOL.COM
Subject: Origami software?
Comments: To: origami-l@nstn.ca

Has anyone purchased the software published by Casady & Greene called
"Origami, the Secret Life of Paper"  I have seen a advert for it from PCMall
mailorder house. It is suppose to have 12 projects to choose from and 150
works of origami art to study and meet the artist.

    I was considering it as a gift and was wondering if it was worth
purchasing? Any reviews?

Paul
<QuestorBI@aol.com>
(Presently somewhere in the Middle East.)





Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 12:50:40 -0500
From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Subject: Re: PICKWICK

Arjan wrote:

> The only similarities between Origami and
> teabag folding are the fact you're usiong paper and the fact you make
> folds. But in teabag-folding hasn't got any spirit.

Well, ya know, I have to agree. IF, the assemble (as is suggested in "the"
book) is to glue the units to a cardboard backing. But if the origamist
creates and uses paper "connectors" (like in many of Fuse's modular models
(e.g. her quilts)) then it is origami - yes? The only issue then would seem
sphere. That has been debated numerous times in this group and I'm not
going to reopen that can of worms. I'll suffice it to say that MHO is
patterned paper is OK.

I didn't know, and find it very interesting, that tea-bag folding is so
common there (or anywhere). Being a father of a 4 y.o. I can understand how
"fads" can get on your nerves, I still hear "I love you, you love me, we're
a happy family", in my dreams, (In case I'm being USA centric - that's a
kids song sung by a really popular purple dinosaur - Barney).

Anyway, thanks for the info.
Jeff
jkerwood@usaor.net





Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 13:25:16 -0500 (EST)
From: JacAlArt@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Origami software?

It's a really good introduction for someone just beginning origami. The
projects are simple (crane, box, I think a frog etc...). If you are an
experienced folder, you probably won't access the projects once the novelty of
QuickTime movies showing you how to fold wears off.

It DOES have a lot of interesting information about "famous" and influential
folders/designers as well as a selected gallery of their works. All in all, I
am happy with my purchase (and I'm kind of obnoxious when it comes to simple
vs. complex models -- I prefer complex). Although geared towards the beginner,
even the advanced folder will appreciate the history and gallery.
~Alec





Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 13:35:39 -0800
From: Pat Slider <slider@STONECUTTER.COM>
Subject: Re: Viva Origami
Comments: To: Origami Mailing List <ORIGAMI@MIT.EDU>

>
>Hi !!
>        Does anyone know where to buy Viva Origami
>
>( this book here->
>
> http://www.ask.or.jp/~origami/t/People/MAEK0/VIVA-e.html
>
>
>This book is long out of print. What do the used book gurus have to say?
>

I have been looking for it aggressively for over a year and still haven't
found a copy. I will feel very fortunate if I ever do. The URL above as I
recall says that this book is known as the "great lost book" or somesuch so
I think it is hard to find in Japan as well. Those who own this book aren't
giving it up!

(Japanese language books don't turn up in the used online book market very
often. My belief is that the booksellers don't really know how to go about
describing them online and so don't bother. Sometimes I see something along
the lines of "Japanese language origami book," but many of these are turn
out to be children's origami books.)

Still, don't despair of finding it. I have faith that all the great titles
will be reprinted eventually....I have heard that OFTC is due out this year
as well as Harbin's "Step by Step."

pat slider.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Pat Slider
STONECUTTER
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 13:50:38 +0100
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean_-_J=E9rome_Casalonga?= <jjerome.casalonga@HOL.FR>
Subject: What happened to TREE MAKER 4.0 ?

I was (like many of us, it seems) out from the list for some time.  Around
mid-december, the Maaaaaaaaaarvelous Robert LANG sent a message saying he
would make the world happy (well, at least for the people who own a
Macintosh) by providing his latest version or Tree Maker 4.0.

So, my questions to Robert are :
  - Is it available, and if yes, where ?
  - How can I help to have Tree Maker available for Windows ?

Thank you for answering.





Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 14:12:22 -0600
From: Carole Young <youngcj@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: PICKWICK "papers"

So are these Pickwick papers related to the book?

Carole





Disposition-notification-to: cp@atcon.com
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 14:36:39 -0400
From: Colin Pye <cp@ATCON.COM>
Subject: Other odd foldables (was Re: Tyvek)

Having seen the Tyvec thread, and remembering the liquid crystal threads of
some time ago, I've found something else that's a little off the beaten
track: photographic print paper.

I found some spoiled prints at a local one-hour processing shop, and they
happily supplied me with a number of sheets, ranging from a solid black to
several bizarre colored patterns.  As these has already been through their
processor, they were cut into 6" by 4" sheets.  I then trimmed them to 4"
squares, and tried folding a crane from a leftover 2" square.

The paper is thick, and seems to have many layers.  A 2" square is too
small to hold the crane folds, because the thickness tends to crack or tear
the thicker folds, but even without the beak, the result looked like a
flower.

The 4" sheet can hold a crane, although there is some internal tearing, and
it tends to be a bit noisier to fold than regular paper.  It is an
interesting diversion, and it opens the possibility of composing prints for
specific folds.

Sincerely,

Colin Pye
cp@atcon.com

Origami Enthusists stick with the fold!
Colin Pye    cp@atcon.com     http://www.atcon.com/~cp





Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 14:44:28 -0800
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Subject: Re: Viva Origami/Kasahara Books

>I got my copy of Viva Origami #5: Origami Yumentai by Kunihiko Kasahara
>from Sasuga Japanese Bookstore.  ISBN 4-387-92011-4.  Just got it this
>past January, item price $48.00.  The catalog has a good disclaimer
>that indicates that there is heavy reliance on text (I ignored this to
>my dismay--I don't read Japanese).

This is not the book in question. "Viva! Origami" is by KASAHARA Kunihiko
(editor/author) and MAEKAWA Jun (content author - i.e. model design and
origami theory). It was published by Sanrio in 1989 (copyright 1983) and
its ISBN is 4-387-89116-5. The price on my copy is 2300 yen (about US$20).

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: josephwu@ultranet.ca





Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 15:14:46 -0500
From: Rick Bissell <rick@TRIDELTA.COM>
Subject: Re: PICKWICK
>Received: from sparcy.tridelta.com (root@sparcy.tridelta.com
 [192.160.168.222]) by tdi3.tridelta.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA14358
 for <ORIGAMI@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:12:49 -0500

Jeff wrote:
>I still hear "I love you, you love me, we're
>a happy family", in my dreams, (In case I'm being USA centric - that's a
>kids song sung by a really popular purple dinosaur - Barney).

Let's count our blessings that Barney isn't an origami aficionado.

As my children have grown to the ages of 7 and 9, the *Barney Backlash*
syndrome has resulted in them hating anything-and-everything-Barney since it
is "babyish".  Sadly, that mostly pertains to a fine collection of campfire
songs that have been around for generations.  The leader of my girl's
Brownie troop is pulling her hair out because they refuse to sing the songs!

--Rick Bissell
  http://www.ncweb.com/users/rickbissell





Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 15:28:59 -0500
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: Magic Rose Cube Info

John,

For the present, no diagrams are available for the Magic Rose Cube.
I only have my working sketches (diagrams I draw while designing to
document my work and also to use when I haven't made something for
a while and can't remember how I did it :-)

About 3 dozen people learned to make the Rose at PCOC last fall,
most of them well enough to teach it, and some of those, I've
heard, are using their own diagrams made while learning it at
PCOC when they now teach someone else.

The people who learned at PCOC are pretty well distributed
geographically, and the model has been taught at conferences
in England and Italy since PCOC, so it may be possible to find
someone in your area to teach you.

The OUSA class you refer to is being taught by Jean Baden Gillette,
who was one of the first 2 people I taught at PCOC. (Tony Cheng was
the other). Gay Merrill Gross, Jan Polish, Mark Morden, Marcia Mau,
and a number of others are capable of teaching it. I've heard of
it being taught at the local group meetings in San Diego, Seattle
(or Portland, I forget which) and Long Island.

I hope to get the diagrams into publishable form before spring,
but I'm rather busy right now.

There are photos of the model (as I said, no diagrams yet) on my
web pages (see below)

--valerie
Valerie Vann
valerie_vann@compuserve.com
 Mostly Modular/Geometric Origami Web Pages:
   http://people.delphi.com/vvann/index.html
   http://members.aol.com/valerivann/index.html
   http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/valerie_vann
 Magic Rose Cube (photos, no diagrams yet)
   http://people.delphi.com/vvann/magicros.html





Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 15:37:41 -0800
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Subject: Re: Snowlets origami

>I know that there was information posted about how to access the Olympics
>"Snowlets" Owl Origami, but I cannot find it on the Web. Would someone
>please send the Web site  to me?

http://wwwus.nagano.olympic.org/kids/kids_e.html

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist and Multimedia Producer
t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: josephwu@ultranet.ca





Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 15:40:18 -0500
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: The Magic Rose Cube

John,

I just noticed that it was you inquiring about my
Magic Rose Cube. (Sorry, I've had so much email about this
model since introducing it informally at PCOC, I don't always
look at the return address too closely.)

David Brill introduced it at a recent BOS meeting; I don't
recall exactly where or the specific occasion. David learned
it at the Italian Convention from Jan Polish, who learned it
at PCOC from one of the people I taught. :-)

David could help you out probably, or if you know Ian Harrison,
I believe he learned it from David, and made some sketches for
his own use. (David Mitchell may also have picked it up, but
I'm not sure about that.)

Regards,
Valerie Vann
valerie_vann@compuserve.com





Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 15:59:18 +0000
From: Bruce Stephens <B.Stephens@ISODE.COM>
Subject: Re: new 2 the list

jpl@WWW.BARCLAB.COM said:
> You probably won't find the book you're looking for in De Slegte/De
> Centrale Boekhandel/..., but you may turn up _something_.

Good suggestions.  The main bookshop in Utrecht usually has two or three books
(excluding the readily available ones, like the Dutch series of books whose
name I forget, but they're thin paperbacks with a dozen or so models in; the
one on boxes has a cool two-piece square box with a flapping bird on the lid).

I think the name is "Broese Kemink", but I may be some way out on the
spelling. The stationary shop on the same canal has quite a good range of
origami paper.





Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 16:16:37 +0100
From: A.Welles@STUDENT.KUN.NL
Subject: Re: PICKWICK

Hi all,

About the Pickwick-tea bags. Well: as far as I know it is a Dutch brand,
coming from the Dutch coffee and tea brand called Douwe Egberts. So, as
far as I know the teabags are only available in Holland, since tea witha
flavour (such as forrest fruit, orange and lemon) is quite popular here in
Holland.

Although I must admit the entire teabag-folding has completely grown out
of proportion here and it has become a huge hype. To me it doesn't look
like real Origami anymore. The only similarities between Origami and
teabag folding are the fact you're usiong paper and the fact you make
folds. But in teabag-folding hasn't got any spirit.

But then again: it's a personal opinion!

Arjan Welles
The Netherlands
(A.Welles@Student.kun.nl)





Disposition-notification-to: Brett Askinazi <brett@hagerhinge.com>
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 16:33:03 -0600
From: Brett Askinazi <brett@HAGERHINGE.COM>
Subject: Re: Viva Origami/Kasahara Books
Importance: Normal

This sounds like the Viva Origami Series.  There is a book however,
published with the name "Viva Origami" which features many creations of Jun
Maekawa.  The Series is something altogether different.

Others may have more info.

B R E T T

-----Original Message-----
From: Origami Mailing List [mailto:Origami@MIT.Edu]On Behalf Of Sonia Wu
(NC)
Sent: Monday, February 09, 1998 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: Viva Origami/Kasahara Books

I got my copy of Viva Origami #5: Origami Yumentai by Kunihiko Kasahara
from Sasuga Japanese Bookstore.  ISBN 4-387-92011-4.  Just got it this
past January, item price $48.00.  The catalog has a good disclaimer
that indicates that there is heavy reliance on text (I ignored this to
my dismay--I don't read Japanese).

As near as a quick glance could tell me, the models seem primarily
constructions from specially cut pieces of paper (sort of like that book
they always stock in Barnes & Noble for cutting and assembling geometric
shapes).  Being ignorant of the language, however, I'm not qualified to

Thanks to all who offered info and suggestions on Kasahara's books.  I
have most of the ones suggested, but may break down and see if Amazon
Books can find me a copy of the elusive Origami for the Connoisseur.

Sonia Wu
(Florida)





Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 16:35:46 +0100
From: jpl@WWW.BARCLAB.COM
Subject: Re: new 2 the list

Eric van Looijengoed stated :

| Next question is more for all Europeans (Dutchy's even?? :) ), although
| help from everywhere would be great.
| Where, and how do you get the books you want?
| Are there specialized bookstores in the Netherlands, and other European
| countrys?
| Or do you order them on the web (amazon etc.)?
| Do i have to get them from "overseas", or are there some good sources here
| in Europe?

(apologies if you're reading this again. I _think_ ELM ate my previous mail ...)

Hiya Eric,

If there are specialized stores in these parts, I haven't found them yet.
One approach you might try is to check out chain stores for remaindered/
secondhand/'ramsjt' books. I've found (amongst others) Gay Merrill Gross'
Art of Origami and Jay Ansill's Mythical Beings in that type of store.
You probably won't find the book you're looking for in De Slegte/De Centrale
Boekhandel/..., but you may turn up _something_.

Best of luck,

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 Tel +32 9 220 49 81         Fax +32 9 221 85 17         qu'une heure durant
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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 17:10:54 -0500
From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Subject: Re: PICKWICK "papers"

> So are these Pickwick papers related to the book?
>

Carole, the Pickwick papers are really the envelopes that Pickwick brand
tea-bags come in. The Book is Tea-bag-folding by Kricskovics Zsuzsanna.

Jeff
jkerwood@usaor.net





Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 17:28:04 -0500
From: "Sonia Wu (NC)" <swu@VIRTU.SAR.USF.EDU>
Subject: Re: Viva Origami/Kasahara Books
Comments: To: Origami Mailing List <ORIGAMI@MIT.EDU>

I got my copy of Viva Origami #5: Origami Yumentai by Kunihiko Kasahara
from Sasuga Japanese Bookstore.  ISBN 4-387-92011-4.  Just got it this
past January, item price $48.00.  The catalog has a good disclaimer
that indicates that there is heavy reliance on text (I ignored this to
my dismay--I don't read Japanese).

As near as a quick glance could tell me, the models seem primarily
constructions from specially cut pieces of paper (sort of like that book
they always stock in Barnes & Noble for cutting and assembling geometric
shapes).  Being ignorant of the language, however, I'm not qualified to

Thanks to all who offered info and suggestions on Kasahara's books.  I
have most of the ones suggested, but may break down and see if Amazon
Books can find me a copy of the elusive Origami for the Connoisseur.

Sonia Wu
(Florida)





Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 18:02:41 -0500
From: "Sonia Wu (NC)" <swu@VIRTU.SAR.USF.EDU>
Subject: Re: Eric van Looijengoed/Book Recommendations
Comments: To: Origami Mailing List <ORIGAMI@MIT.EDU>

Dear Eric:

I've never done the rhinoceros, but can recommend some books to you.

Two of my favorites are Creative Origami (ISBN 0-87040-017-7) which
generally runs about $22 US dollars and Origami Made Easy (ISBN
0-87040-253-6) which usually costs about $9 US dollars.  They're by
Kunihiko Kasahara.  Lots of animal models, as well as some people models
and others.

Tomoko Fuse does great modular origami.  Joyful Origami Boxes
(ISBN 0-87040-974-3) has diagrams for boxes ranging from simple two-sheet
assemblies to extravagant eight-piece ones (they look really great on
small scale, so you can save paper by cutting sheets into quarters--that
way the octagonal box with eight sheets per box and per lid can be made
from only four pieces of paper, quartered).  It costs about $17 US
dollars.  She has another book called something like Unit Origami:
Multi-Dimensional Transformations that I originally bought just for the
pictures (lacking the confidence to aspire to that level).  Once I worked
up the nerve to give them a try, some practice and her extraordinarily
clear diagrams did their magic.  Expect to use lots of paper for these, at
least lots of quartered paper.  This is the book that inspired me to buy a
papercutter.

These books are all written in English.  Needless to say I'd happily keep
plying you with titles and ISBN's if I had the info handy (instead of just
my small travelling-to-and-from-work collection of the moment).  And if
you have a video cassette recorder,  there are some wonderful butterfly
and horseshoe crab tapes by Michael LaFosse. . . .

Seems like most of these are available through a variety of sources:
Origami USA, Sasuga Japanese Bookstore, Fantastic Folds, Kim's Crane. Mr.
LaFosse sells his tapes through most or all of these, as well as through
Origamido, his own supply source.  I especially like the way that Origami
USA "reviews" books and indicates levels of difficulty.

Hope this is helpful.

Sonia Wu
(Florida)





Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 18:26:18 -0600
From: Carole Young <youngcj@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: PICKWICK "papers"

I have  been following the PICKWICK thread.  I just wondered if an
English Literature type might know if there was any relationship
between the tea bag covers and the book called the Pickwick Papers.

Carole





Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 18:28:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Marcia Mau <maumoy@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Pickwick Papers - Folding tea bag envelopes
Comments: To: origami@MIT.EDU

The Douwe Egbert Pickwick fruit flavored black teas are also available
in Hungary.  Zsuzsanna Kricskovics contacted the company and was able to
get sheets of the uncut labels which I believe she included w/ her
booklet. I don't have my copy at hand. At York she said the company was
not interested in any sort of affiliation w/ her booklet.

I think the craze exists because the envelopes are readily available for
recycling if you drink a lot of the teas.  If the papers are all cut in
squares w/ the same pattern, the repetitive pattern of the units, alone
or combined w/ kami form harmonius designs on bookmarks, wreaths or when
glued to greeting cards.

Tiny van der Plas (NL) has four booklets on the subject which were
published by LRV Kreatief.  I've mentioned them before but I'll list
them again.
                                          ISBN
Kerst met Theezakjes  (Christmas theme)   90 384 0902 8
Zeg het met Theezakjes                    90 384 0799 8
Originele Wensideeen met Theezakjes       90 384 0659 2
Toveren met Theezakjes                    90 384 0716 5

The last three booklets are designs used on greeting cards.  The
booklets sold for NLG 9.90 each - about $5 US.

The miniature sheets of harmony or concentric corner paper from Korea
should work as well as the tea bag envelopes.  Tea bags sold in the US
come in boring white envelopes, if they're used at all.

Marcia Mau
Vienna, VA USA

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 18:28:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Marcia Mau <maumoy@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Pickwick Papers - Folding tea bag envelopes
Comments: To: origami@MIT.EDU

The Douwe Egbert Pickwick fruit flavored black teas are also available
in Hungary.  Zsuzsanna Kricskovics contacted the company and was able to
get sheets of the uncut labels which I believe she included w/ her
booklet. I don't have my copy at hand. At York she said the company was
not interested in any sort of affiliation w/ her booklet.

I think the craze exists because the envelopes are readily available for
recycling if you drink a lot of the teas.  If the papers are all cut in
squares w/ the same pattern, the repetitive pattern of the units, alone
or combined w/ kami form harmonius designs on bookmarks, wreaths or when
glued to greeting cards.

Tiny van der Plas (NL) has four booklets on the subject which were
published by LRV Kreatief.  I've mentioned them before but I'll list
them again.
                                          ISBN
Kerst met Theezakjes  (Christmas theme)   90 384 0902 8
Zeg het met Theezakjes                    90 384 0799 8
Originele Wensideeen met Theezakjes       90 384 0659 2
Toveren met Theezakjes                    90 384 0716 5

The last three booklets are designs used on greeting cards.  The
booklets sold for NLG 9.90 each - about $5 US.

The miniature sheets of harmony or concentric corner paper from Korea
should work as well as the tea bag envelopes.  Tea bags sold in the US
come in boring white envelopes, if they're used at all.

Marcia Mau
Vienna, VA USA

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 18:50:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Marcia Mau <maumoy@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Magic Rose Cube
Comments: To: origami@MIT.EDU

The Magic Rose Cube definitely has a "WOW!" factor, especially when the
petals are folded out of fuschia paper.  As Jan Fodor related earlier, I
folded many of them for the attendants on the 11 hour Delta flight from
Atlanta to Honolulu.  They were also happy to have assembled Butterfly
Balls and Heptad Rings as souvenirs of the flight. I had a cube of memo
paper w/ me so I was limited by the size of the papers.

In Hawaii, most people picked the fuschia rose when shown the roses in a
variety of colors.

I sent a calyx unit with the steps numbered plus flat joined
calyx-petal, petal-petal, and calyx-calyx units to Dennis Brannon in
Massachusetts.  He was able to assemble it on his first try so it is
possible to teach the Magic Rose Cube by mail.

It is much better taught in person - there are some tricky sequences in
the calyx folding plus the assembly is ingenious.

Marcia Mau
Vienna, VA USA

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 19:39:28 -0500
From: Robert Allan Schwartz <notbob@TESSELLATION.COM>
Subject: Re: precreasing with a sylus

>Glad to be of service.  Now you can tackle that Kawahata Dimetrodon (Origami
>Fantasy), sheesh.  Or Jeff Benyon's "Spring into Action" (Robert Lang's new
>Action Origami book.
>
>Subject: precreasing with a sylus
>
>I'd like to thank Doug Philips and Brett Askinazi for the advice to use
>an embossing stylus and straight-edge to help with precreasing spirals.
>It really works.  I've got a perfect nautilus now.  Hurrah.
>
>Candice

Where can I find diagrams for the nautilus?

Thanks,

Robert

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 20:36:40 -0500
From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@USAOR.NET>
Subject: Re: PICKWICK "papers"

> I have  been following the PICKWICK thread.  I just wondered if an
> English Literature type might know if there was any relationship
> between the tea bag covers and the book called the Pickwick Papers.
>
> Carole

Oh, I get it. Sorry for the silly reply. And, hey - that's a good question
(hope someone knows the answer). For anybody who cares, the Pickwick Papers
book (I think the entire thing) can be found at
http://www.bibliomania.com/Fiction/dickens/Pickwick/index.html.

:-) Jeff
jkerwood@usaor.net





Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 20:41:07 -0500
From: Cathy <cathypl@GENERATION.NET>
Subject: bird-based x-wing

Dominique had asked me to post this just before the list went down.  I
don't know if it actuallyappeared, in any case Dominique has asked me to
post it again as he is quite anxious to hear about a bird-based x-wing.
                                Cathy
>Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:58:07 -0500
>To: Cathy <cathypl@generation.net>
>From: draken@odyssee.net (Dominique Durocher)
>Subject: RE: Name this base?
>Content-Length: 882
>
>Hi!
 here's the response for you to repeat
>on the origami list. Thanks.
>
>Response begins:
>
>>>Yes.  Asgar Malik and Larry Hart have an X-wing model that is folded from a
>>>bird base. I've not heard from them in a while, but they are supposed to be
>>>working on their book of Star Trek and Star Wars models.
>
>This sounds interesting. Sound like this may have potential for some of the
>modifications I did to the X-Wing pattern I know. Might they be interested
>in including anything from Babylon 5? (assuming they can be reached)
>
>Thanks
>
>Dom
>
>Response ends
>
>Dominique Durocher      | Lair of the Drake
>   draken@odyssee.net   |   http://www.odyssee.net/~draken/index.html
>SF Model Builder's Assn | SF Model Builder's Association
>                        |   http://www.newfrontier.on.ca
>  Making something idiot-proof just breeds better idiots.
>
>
>
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 21:04:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Wayne Fluharty <wflu@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Viva Origami

Can someone who has the book "Viva Origami" please e-mail me personally
with all of the details about the book. Is it "Viva Origami" or "Viva!
Origami" (not the series, just the single book), I've seen both. ISBN
number? Publisher? Publish date? And confirm that the authors are "Jun
Maekawa and Kunihiko Kasahara". Who is listed first? (Yes, it does make
a difference)

Thanks for any information,
Wayne Fluharty
wflu@hotmail.com

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 21:28:01 -0500
From: Mike & Janet Hamilton <Mikeinnj@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Subject: Re: new 2 the list

Eric van Looijengoed wrote:

> Next question is more for all Europeans (Dutchy's even?? :) ), although
> help from everywhere
> would be great.
> Where, and how do you get the books you want?
> Are there specialized bookstores in the Netherlands, and other European
> countrys?
> Or do you order them on the web (amazon etc.)?
> Do i have to get them from "overseas", or are there some good sources here
> in Europe?

I have kept a list of origami book and paper sources mentioned on this list.
Check out my web site at http://www.concentric.net/~mikeinnj/orisrc.shtml

Janet Hamilton

--
mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/





Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 21:34:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Lynelle Van Horn <LynelleV@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Connaisseur

In a message dated 98-02-09 17:21:47 EST, you write:

<< Still, don't despair of finding it. I have faith that all the great titles
 will be reprinted eventually....I have heard that OFTC is due out this year
 as well as Harbin's "Step by Step." >>

This is really exciting news, about Connaisseur - do you know what publisher
is going to reprint it?  And when?  I've been looking for it forever, or at
least it seems like.
Lynelle V
(New to this list recently)





Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 21:40:42 -0500
From: Mike & Janet Hamilton <Mikeinnj@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Subject: Re: Origami software?

QuestorBI@AOL.COM wrote:

> Has anyone purchased the software published by Casady & Greene called
> "Origami, the Secret Life of Paper"  I have seen a advert for it from PCMall
> mailorder house. It is suppose to have 12 projects to choose from and 150
> works of origami art to study and meet the artist.
>
>     I was considering it as a gift and was wondering if it was worth
> purchasing? Any reviews?

The 12 projects are simple, traditional models nicely presented with diagrams
and quicktime movies- very easy to follow for the beginner.  The bulk of the CD
is made up of galleries of artists and some of their creations, along with short
bios.  I found this part very interesting in the presentation of the range of
the origami art.  There is also a presentation of making paper, and detailed
articles on several origami-math topics.  If you are looking for a beginner's
instructional CD, this can serve the purpose.

Janet Hamilton

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 22:12:38 -0800
From: Devin McPherson <devmc@OEONLINE.COM>
Subject: full rigged ship

    I have been trying to find the diagrams for Patricia Crawfords, Full
Rigged Ship. It was in one of Harbins out of print books. Could anyone
find some way to send me a copy if they have it?
-=[Devin]=-





Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:26:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Maldon7929@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Tyvek

I need to find this material for building a kite.   It requires three
rectangles 36 by 18 inches.  If a home improvement store would carry it what
section would it be in?

The kite book (KITEWORKS Explorations in Kite Building & Flying, by Maxwell
Eden) says:  "Tyvek is made of spunbonded olefin.  Weights & Grades: 1025D &
1058D are stiff and like paper; 1443R is soft like fabric; 60" widths."

I need the later weight.  Do the rest of you want the former?

Kiteworks has directions for 5 Origami Bug Kites.  The chapter is prefaced by
this sentence: "Although the ancient Japanese artform of origami, or paper
folding, discourages cutting and gluing, contemporary origami accepts snipping
and combining elements."  (I think Max might be a little confused.)  Of the
five kites only two could be considered "purest" and then one would need to
make allowance for cutting holes to attach bridles and keel lines.

It's nice to have you all back!  Morning coffee just wasn't the same.

Maldon





Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:34:42 -0500
From: Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU>
Subject: Re: full rigged ship

On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, Devin McPherson wrote:

>     I have been trying to find the diagrams for Patricia Crawfords, Full
> Rigged Ship. It was in one of Harbins out of print books. Could anyone
> find some way to send me a copy if they have it?
> -=[Devin]=-

You can find the diagram for this model in J.C. Nolan's _Creating
Origami_.  This book is somewhat rare--there three places I know of:
http://www.origamado.com (or something), Fascinating Folds, and
OrigamiUSA.  The last will probably give you the best price, provided you
have membership.  The book is somewhat pricey: $29.95.

--Chinh Nguyen chinhsta@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu

"Life is hard... and life is good."  -- Splinter, _TMNT_
        (Yes, it's a cliche.  Sometimes things are cliches because they're
        *true*!)





Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:01:57 -0500 (EST)
From: "Terrence M. Rioux" <trioux@WHOI.EDU>
Subject: Searching for Last Waltz Diagrams

          A friend is getting married this Spring, and I would like to
          fold Neal Elias' elegant 'Last Waltz' for her.  This was a
          lively discussion on Origami-l a year or so ago, but I'm
          afraid the timing has done me in.   Sasuga's supply of ORU
          #12 is sold out, and most of the BOS pamphlets (including
          #10 are sadly (and I hope only temporarily!!) out of print.
          It was taught last June at the OUSA convention, but I wasn't
          able to get into the class.  So, would any kind person out
          there in the origami ether please be willing to share a copy
          of the diagrams with me (possibly even annotated with
          helpful hints for the 'rough' parts)?  Thanks in advance,

          Terry Rioux
          trioux@whoi.edu





Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:50:41 +0200
From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>
Subject: Re: other forms of showing folds

On 09-Feb-98, Ariel (ariel@DATAPHONE.SE) wrote:

>That Kittyhawk software is great !!!

>but unfortunately the people marketing it have some kind of brain damage.

>I wrote to them suggesting that if, instead of making a closed, locked
>program, to show only how to make airplanes, they just provided some
>support for using it in a more generic way, like an editor, or even less: a
>mere text file describing the binary format for storing animated foldings
>so that one could created one's own animated foldings, then they would
>target a thousand of times bigger market, because I do not think many
>people are interested in making 25 versions of simple airplanes, but a lot
>more many people would love (and gladly pay) to have a common tool to not
>only annotate, explain, but also helps build a standart database of
digrams.

Creating a computer animation of folding a model is almost infinitely easier
than creating actual folded model. I've experimented with this myself,
keeping track of only used points and adding new points/faces when needed.
Search archives for older messages and you might get better idea about all
the problems involved in perfect modeling.

[Personal note: I've tried to reply your private messages, but your address
bounces them back.]

--
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:52:54 +0200
From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@SCI.FI>
Subject: Re: PICKWICK

On 09-Feb-98, A.Welles@STUDENT.KUN.NL (A.Welles@STUDENT.KUN.NL) wrote:

>Although I must admit the entire teabag-folding has completely grown out
>of proportion here and it has become a huge hype. To me it doesn't look
>like real Origami anymore. The only similarities between Origami and
>teabag folding are the fact you're usiong paper and the fact you make
>folds. But in teabag-folding hasn't got any spirit.

You can always use your teabags for Maarten's tebag deer. Giving them
to people make them think I'm crazy which means I know it by heart now.
Most of the people think I'm crazy anyway, so I don't gain anything :)

I have myself worked on some highly unoriginal insect designs from tea-
bags, but nothing too exciting has emerged yet.

--
Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi





Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:45:31 -0400
From: Tricia Tait <tait@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject: Tyvek

Hello Jorma-

I recently found out that a stationary store (across the street!)
carries plain white Tyvek envelopes. I can mail some to you- if you'd
like. Just let me know.

Regards,
Tricia





Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:44:41 -0700
From: Vince or Cherri Langley <fiesta@RT66.COM>
Subject: Re: Pickwick Papers - Folding tea bag envelopes

Hi Marcia!

I would love to buy all of the teabag folding books you listed in your post.
I checked Amazon.com....alas...they were not available. Do you know where I
could purchase them? I realize that the books will not be written in Engish,
but are the diagrams and pictures clear enough for learning the folds?
Thanks so much for your help.
Cherri, who only drinks coffee but might switch if she can find a source for
those European teabags!

Marcia Mau wrote:

> The Douwe Egbert Pickwick fruit flavored black teas are also available
> in Hungary.  Zsuzsanna Kricskovics contacted the company and was able to
> get sheets of the uncut labels which I believe she included w/ her
> booklet. I don't have my copy at hand. At York she said the company was
> not interested in any sort of affiliation w/ her booklet.
>
> I think the craze exists because the envelopes are readily available for
> recycling if you drink a lot of the teas.  If the papers are all cut in
> squares w/ the same pattern, the repetitive pattern of the units, alone
> or combined w/ kami form harmonius designs on bookmarks, wreaths or when
> glued to greeting cards.
>
> Tiny van der Plas (NL) has four booklets on the subject which were
> published by LRV Kreatief.  I've mentioned them before but I'll list
> them again.
>                                           ISBN
> Kerst met Theezakjes  (Christmas theme)   90 384 0902 8
> Zeg het met Theezakjes                    90 384 0799 8
> Originele Wensideeen met Theezakjes       90 384 0659 2
> Toveren met Theezakjes                    90 384 0716 5
>
> The last three booklets are designs used on greeting cards.  The
> booklets sold for NLG 9.90 each - about $5 US.
>
> The miniature sheets of harmony or concentric corner paper from Korea
> should work as well as the tea bag envelopes.  Tea bags sold in the US
> come in boring white envelopes, if they're used at all.
>
> Marcia Mau
> Vienna, VA USA
>
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 08:36:44 +0000
From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Origami software?

QuestorBI@AOL.COM sez

>I was considering it as a gift and was wondering if it was worth
>purchasing?

It's wonderful - grab it....

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:03:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Unafolder@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Searching for Last Waltz Diagrams

If you promise not to tell anyone that the Unafolder committed a kind act, and
swear never to reveal the originating post office or address, I will send you
the Last Waltz diagrams!

Una





Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:08:00 -0800
From: Pat Slider <slider@STONECUTTER.COM>
Subject: Origami Dokuhon I
Comments: To: origami@MIT.EDU

I recently bought a copy of Origami Dokuhon I from Sasuga and while reading
the wonderful comments of David Lister and others about the book in the
archives discovered that there is an eight-page English translation of the
book out there.

If there is someone out there who would be willing to send me a copy of
this please email me! I would be most appreciative....I would love to know
what the text says. I'd be willing to negotiate a trade or do some book
searches in return.

I'm getting the digest these days, so please email me directly.

Thanks,

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:37:00 -0800
From: Pat Slider <slider@STONECUTTER.COM>
Subject: Re: Connoisseur
Comments: To: Origami Mailing List <Origami@MIT.EDU>

>In a message dated 98-02-09 17:21:47 EST, you write:
>
><< Still, don't despair of finding it. I have faith that all the great titles
> will be reprinted eventually....I have heard that OFTC is due out this year
> as well as Harbin's "Step by Step." >>
>
>This is really exciting news, about Connaisseur - do you know what publisher
>is going to reprint it?  And when?  I've been looking for it forever, or at
>least it seems like.
>Lynelle V
>(New to this list recently)

Well, perhaps I am spreading a rumor as it seems that this Kasahara is
saying otherwise. But someone on the list told me that when they called the
original publisher Kodansha (aka Japan Publications) about the book they
were told that it would be reprinted this year.

pat slider.
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:46:43 -0500
From: DGS - Kevin Kinney PhD <kkinney@CAROLINAS.ORG>
Subject: (High-Brow) origami sighting
Comments: To: origami@MIT.EDU

Okay, I may not have much to contribute in general, but here's another
sighting:

The Feb 6 issue of Science (Vol 279)Has about a page and a half on the
American Mathematical Society and the Mathematical Association of Americas
meetings from last month.  The focus (of the article): the interrelation of
math and origami.  Quotes from Thomas Hull are readily apparent.  Theres
also an inset mini-article on Robert Lang and the algorithm for his
TreeMaker program (at least, that's what I'm inferring, it sounds right).

Kevin

Kevin Kinney
kkinney@carolinas.org





Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:25:06 +0100
From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Subject: Re: Does anyone know where to buy Viva Origami ?

On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, Ariel wrote:
>         Does anyone know where to buy Viva Origami

No, and that's the problem. Silke Schrder doesn't have it anymore; she
asked Kunihiko Kasahara about his books, and he told her that they are not
going to be re-published in the foreseeable future. :-((

Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:25:31 +0100
From: Sebastian Marius Kirsch <skirsch@T-ONLINE.DE>
Subject: Re: new 2 the list

On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, Eric van Looijengoed wrote:
> Next question is more for all Europeans (Dutchy's even?? :) ), although
> help from everywhere would be great.  Where, and how do you get the
> books you want?

I believe that the OSN has its own mailorder company, but there are a
number of Dutch on the list who know this better. I usually get my books
from Silke Schrder's Viereck Verlag in Freising/Germany. I can tell you
the complete address if you want. (I'd have to look it up first.)

> Last question is about paper.
> I folded the rhino with a large sheet (50X50 cm) of "bookcovering" paper.
> The paper is brown, and rough on one side, and darkgrey (that realy does it
> for the rhino) and slightly coated on the other side.

I'm a rhinophile ;-) as well, but I like Montroll's rhino from Origami
Sculptures better than Dave Brill's. I usually fold it from a watercolor
paper called Tiziano. It is made by Fabriano in Italy, but it's also
available in Germany and probably also in the Netherlands. This paper is
rather thick, though, and you have to wet-fold it to obtain a proper
result.

BTW: Dave Brill crumples the paper for his rhino before he folds it. I
couldn't get myself to do this, but maybe it helps.

Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)
