




Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:42:50 -0400 (AST)
From: "MARGARET M. BARBER" <mbarber@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu>
Subject: Anybody home???

Well, it's been four days since I got any mail from the list... Has it
moved and have I been "inadvertantly" dropped in the translation?  I can't
get a response for my request to review origami-l.  There appear to be no
messages posted after 1/16 on the nstn.ca ftp site.  What is going on?
Has the origami goblin come to gobble up anyone who posts on this list?
(gulp.. I guess I'm next...)  If anyone gets this, please e-mail me
privately with a response.  This makes the fifth time in the last 12
months that I've been bumped...

Hope someone gets this.
Peg Barber
mbarber@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu





Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:44:34 -0400 (AST)
From: Amy Huang <ahuang@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
Subject: any activity?

Hi all,

        Is this list still active, or have I been bumped off the list? I
haven't received any e-mail for many days now. I've e-mailed the
administrator (I'm assuming this is what one is supposed to do) but I
haven't gotten any response with that either.
Please help!

        Thanks,
        Amy

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:46:36 -0400 (AST)
From: John Sutter <sutterj@earthlink.net>
Subject: action on new home site

Greetings,

Has there been any change on origami-l?  There hasn't been any e-mail for
days now and this new subscriber
is wondering what's going on with the other subscribers.  I've sent
questions that haven't gotten any response
like they ususally do.  I didn't ask to be removed from the list, so is this
just a lull in activity or is
there a significant change?

Ria Sutter





Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:48:22 -0400 (AST)
From: Philip woo <philwoo@erols.com>
Subject: Re-subscribe

Please reinstate me to list.

                                            Philip Woo





Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:19:57 -0400 (AST)
From: "Daniel J. Byrne & Candice Bradley" <djbyrne@pop.athenet.net>
Subject: valentines

Nobody has posted to origami-l since January 22 and I've been wondering
if I missed something!   For some reason I don't seem to fold as often
if I'm not constantly inspired by the list.

Well, in the meantime, I was thinking about origami valentines for my 6
year old's first grade class.  But I think it wouldn't be much fun if
Mom folded the 16 valentines.  Any suggestion for a valentine project
that Camille could fold?  Or for a very very simple project we could
send to the school along with red paper and a set of easy easy
instructions?   (FYI, first graders find it a challenge even to fold a
straight line.)

Muchas gracias,

Candice

--
             Candice Bradley and Daniel J. Byrne
                John, Mark and Camille Byrne
                     Appleton, Wisconsin
                 email:  djbyrne@athenet.net
                 candice.bradley@lawrence.edu
             http://www.lawrence.edu/~bradleyc/





Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:32:22 -0400 (AST)
From: V'Ann Cornelius <vann@lht.com>
Subject: Re: valentines

A Heart for young and old to enjoy...

in the Joy of Origami by Toshie Takahama, pg 51
             designed by Hiroshi Kumasaka

need a square. best if one side is red and one white

1. Fold in half to, side to side
2. Locate the open edge and fold down the two points
   at the 'top' so that they are right triangles.
3. Open paper
4. Using the center crease as a guide,
   fold the top half edges along the center crease
   as in an airplane fold.
5. Turn it over keeping the point away from you.
6. Cupboard fold the sides.
7. Fold the form in half bringing the red point
   to the center of the base.
8. You now have a red chevron on a white field.
   Fold the top corners back and you have
   a heart card.  (The corners can be reversed
   but this usually comes more naturally with the
   second or third heart card made.)
9. Write message inside.
10.A simple envelop can be made for it with the
   same size square and a sticker for closing.

V'Ann
-=-=-
Daniel J. Byrne & Candice Bradley wrote:
>
> Well, in the meantime, I was thinking about origami valentines for my 6
> year old's first grade class.  But I think it wouldn't be much fun if
> Mom folded the 16 valentines.  Any suggestion for a valentine project
> that Camille could fold?  Or for a very very simple project we could
> send to the school along with red paper and a set of easy easy
> instructions?   (FYI, first graders find it a challenge even to fold a
> straight line.)
>
> Muchas gracias,
>
> Candice
>
> --
>              Candice Bradley and Daniel J. Byrne
>                 John, Mark and Camille Byrne
>                      Appleton, Wisconsin
>                  email:  djbyrne@athenet.net
>                  candice.bradley@lawrence.edu
>              http://www.lawrence.edu/~bradleyc/





Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:22:17 -0400 (AST)
From: "K.A. Lundberg" <klundber@mnsinc.com>
Subject: Re: Valentines

This is such a simple pattern that I'm sure someone else has come up with
it before.  It should be easy enough for a first grader.  It can be made from
construction paper or red letter-size paper.  There will be a pocket which
you could slip some stickers or a handful of candy hearts into.  If I recall
correctly kids that age like surprises.

1.  Fold letter-sized paper in half (long edges together)

2.  Fold in half again (short sides together) unfold step 2.

3.  Fold the folded edges up to center line created in step 2 forming the
    bottom point of the heart.

4.  Turn over, Fold left and right side to the center line created in step
    2.  (The pocket is between the first and second layer created in step
    1.)

5.  Squash fold the left and right outside corners. This is the only step
    that might be difficult.  My daughter used to call it "making houses"
    when she was young.

6.  Fold bottom flap of each squash to the inside closing the pocket.

7.  Fold the inside corners down to finish forming the top points.

8.  Turn over and decorate or address the front.

Hope this helps and the instructions are clear.  I apologize if this
belongs to anyone, I have folded it for a long time and never seen it in
print that I can recall.

Kalei -- klundber@mnsinc.com





Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:51:26 -0400 (AST)
From: Pat Slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: New Nakamura plane book?

TRC listed a new Nakamura book (or is it a reprint?) this week on their web
site:

Tonight they have listed on their "new this week" page:

Yoku Tobu Hiko Origami Sanjuissen
Hobby/Amusement/Travel
Nakamura Eiji
Tokyoshoten Price:\1200
NDC:754.9
JLA_NO:98003755
4-88574-743-0/1998.02

You can see a cover scan of this book at this URL:

http://www.trc.co.jp/trc/book/book_e.idc?JLA=98003755

(Posting this partly as an experiment to see if origami-l is alive again.)

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Pat Slider
STONECUTTER
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:57:04 -0400 (AST)
From: Every Folder <everyfolder@hotmail.com>
Subject: listserver problems

There is no doubt.
The listserver problems can only be attributed to the Unafolder.
Should we tolerate such actions?  NO!
Help me persuade him to end this nonsense.

Every Folder

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:41:46 -0400 (AST)
From: FoldingCA@webtv.net (Dorothy Engleman)
Subject: Re: listserver problems

Every Folder (and Unafolder):

Please...GET A LIFE!!!

Teach origami at an after school program, retirement home, battered
women's shelter, pediatric oncology ward, AIDS facility, hospice, etc.

You'll be the center of attention and do some social good too!

Dorothy

FoldingCA@webtv.net





Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:29:15 -0400 (AST)
From: Jaelle <jaelle1@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: listserver problems

Every Folder wrote:

> There is no doubt.
> The listserver problems can only be attributed to the Unafolder.
> Should we tolerate such actions?  NO!
> Help me persuade him to end this nonsense.
>
> Every Folder
>

rofl
Sounds like the best person I can think to blame!!!    Mischeivious
imp that he or she
is!!!!  Ok Una !  Fix the problems!!!

Folders of the list unite!!!!!!!

Gail





Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:34:01 -0400 (AST)
From: Jaelle <jaelle1@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: listserver problems

Dorothy Engleman wrote:

> Every Folder (and Unafolder):
>
> Please...GET A LIFE!!!
>
> Teach origami at an after school program, retirement home, battered
> women's shelter, pediatric oncology ward, AIDS facility, hospice, etc.
>
> You'll be the center of attention and do some social good too!
>
> Dorothy

Please... GET A SENSE OF HUMOR!!!
Seems to me bringing a giggle or a smile into anothers life is doing
some pretty good social stuff!!!

Gail





Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:21:26 -0400 (AST)
From: John & Hope <hopen2@megsinet.net>
Subject: Re: listserver problems

Every Folder wrote:

> There is no doubt.
> The listserver problems can only be attributed to the Unafolder.
> Should we tolerate such actions?  NO!
> Help me persuade him to end this nonsense.
>
> Every Folder
> Glad to see this list is still alive you"ve made my day especially
> sinece my car was stolen today. Thanks!!!!   Hope in Illinois
> hopen2@megsinet.nety
> ______________________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 12:07:54 -0400 (AST)
From: Marcia Joy Miller <marciajmiller@hotmail.com>
Subject: Least Favorite Type of Fold

Hi Everybody!  I am curious if any of you have a least favorite
type of fold, and if so what is it?  My least favorite is folding a
stem.  It is simple to do, I just don't enjoy rolling narrow cupboard
door folds.
                                             Marcia Joy Miller

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Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 12:33:37 -0400 (AST)
From: Jaelle <jaelle1@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: Least Favorite Type of Fold

Marcia Joy Miller wrote:

> Hi Everybody!  I am curious if any of you have a least favorite
> type of fold, and if so what is it?  My least favorite is folding a
> stem.  It is simple to do, I just don't enjoy rolling narrow cupboard
> door folds.
>                                              Marcia Joy Miller
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

  My least favorite are the ones I can never seem to get right.
( joking)
Actually my least favorite is when you have to do any fold and turn or
twist it
at the same time. No Matter how careful I always seem to tear the paper.

Gail





Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 16:54:09 -0400 (AST)
From: Dribalz@aol.com
Subject: least favorite fold

Well, I'm no longer a lurker with this, my first reply to Origami-l:

My least favorite fold is the rabbit ear--it looks simple, but they never come
out right.  I keep practicing them, but if I had my way, they'd be outlawed!

Andrew Hans





Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 17:21:50 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@usaor.net>
Subject: The Twist

===>>> I sent this message to origami-l a while back but I never got it.
===>>> Sorry if any of you are getting this for a second time.

I am looking for diagrams for the following models. Any help would be
appreciated.

120 degree twist origami & 90 degree twist origami by Shuzo Fujimoto.
Pictures of these are in Paul Jackson's 'The Encyclopedia of Origami and
Papercraft Techniques", ISBN 1561380636, pages 122 and 123.

The two *twist* books of his that I have found:

Seizo soru origami asobi no shotai (Creating: Invitation to
       Playing with Origami) by Shuzo Fujimoto, the Asahi Culture
       Center, 1982.
       Out of print & hard to find

"Twist Origami" (no other info)

Are these models in either of these books? If not do you know where I can
find them?

Does anyone know if Shuzo Fujimoto can still be reached at this address and
if he may or may not have copies of the(?) book? Would a letter to him in
English be appropriate?

                             23-4 Jung     Sasayama Cho
                              Taki-Gun       Hyogo-Ken
                                669-23            Japan.

Thanks, Jeff Kerwood
jkerwood@usaor.net





Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 17:55:53 -0400 (AST)
From: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Marius Kirsch)
Subject: Re: Least Favorite Type of Fold

On Sun, 1 Feb 1998, Marcia Joy Miller wrote:
> Hi Everybody!  I am curious if any of you have a least favorite
> type of fold, and if so what is it?  My least favorite is folding a
> stem.  It is simple to do, I just don't enjoy rolling narrow cupboard
> door folds.

I hate simple folds that have to be done several times in a row. ("Narrow
all eight legs using mountain folds", "Fold all other 144 spikes in the
same way" and that kind of stuff.) And I hate it when the precreases are
not diagrammed in the simplest or the most elegant way.

Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 18:23:23 -0400 (AST)
From: "Daniel J. Byrne & Candice Bradley" <djbyrne@pop.athenet.net>
Subject: least favorite folds (spirals)

I have some trouble with spirals -- I do manage to fold a nautilus or a
snail shell, but it's often messier than I'd like it to be.  The model
has that crinkled look.  It's the zigzag thing -- the hypotenuse between
the parallel lines -- that challenges my patience.

Candice

--
             Candice Bradley and Daniel J. Byrne
                John, Mark and Camille Byrne
                     Appleton, Wisconsin
                 email:  djbyrne@athenet.net
                 candice.bradley@lawrence.edu
             http://www.lawrence.edu/~bradleyc/





Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 00:51:29 -0400 (AST)
From: "Chamberlain, Clare" <Clare.Chamberlain@health.wa.gov.au>
Subject: unfolder

Latest sighting:  in the shower - wet folding!  Was it units, modules,
multiples, batteries, components, parts, members, assemblages, subdivisions,
sectors or sections?  Or maybe he was merely folding a fish for his ark so
it could breathe (or even testing the floatworthiness of the ark itself).
(And how do you fold a rainbow, anyway?)
Or then again, maybe he was just keeping his paper real cooooooool!

clare





Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 05:50:33 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: Least Favorite Type of Fold

Marcia wrote:
> Hi Everybody!  I am curious if any of you have a least favorite
> type of fold, and if so what is it?

Well my least favorite fold is the plain old diagonal. Why? Cause I fold so
many of them. But there is more too it than being irritated at the
repetition. It is that every time I fold one I think, "I fold so many of
these darn things there must be a faster better way". I've tried ,on the
table forming each end then pressing the crease, forming the points by
lining up the edges or by working a gentle crease to the end then pinch the
point by eyeball, [theres more but you get the point]. And it may seem
somewhat contradictory, but I prefer leisurely folding to high speed
get-it-done-NOW folding. My discomfort with the diagonal is more that I
yearn to find the best process, not that I'm am worried about the few extra
nanos or microns that the perfect method would gain me.

Jeff Kerwood
jkerwood@usaor.net





Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 11:53:31 -0400 (AST)
From: Grace Chiu <chiug@fox.nstn.ca>
Subject: Year of the Wiener Dog

For Chinese New Year, I folded a Montroll (Mythological Beings & Chinese
Zodiac) tiger from a 14x14" sheet of kami and found that the legs came
out really disproportionately short.  They look so short that my
coworkers thought it was a wiener dog.  Any suggestions as to how to
make the legs longer (or longer-looking)?

Regards,

Grace





Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 13:15:29 -0400 (AST)
From: Brett Askinazi <brett@hagerhinge.com>
Subject: RE: least favorite folds (spirals)

The best way I have found to do the spirals are to score the creases with an
embossing stylus and a straight-edge before you begin folding.  It makes the
crimps work out much better and very neat.

It also makes the fold go quicker.  Using the stylus and the straight-edge
you can quickly layout all of the necessary creases for the fold.

Brett

From: origami-l@nstn.ca [mailto:origami-l@nstn.ca]On Behalf Of Daniel J.
Byrne & Candice Bradley

I have some trouble with spirals -- I do manage to fold a nautilus or a
snail shell, but it's often messier than I'd like it to be.  The model
has that crinkled look.  It's the zigzag thing -- the hypotenuse between
the parallel lines -- that challenges my patience.

Candice





Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 14:05:18 -0400 (AST)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Year of the Wiener Dog

Grace Chiu wrote:
>
> For Chinese New Year, I folded a Montroll (Mythological Beings & Chinese
> Zodiac) tiger from a 14x14" sheet of kami and found that the legs came
> out really disproportionately short.  They look so short that my
> coworkers thought it was a wiener dog.  Any suggestions as to how to
> make the legs longer (or longer-looking)?

Speaking of tigers...

The January '98 issue of the NOA magazine has some nice tiger models in
it. They are on the simple side, though it has a solidly intermediate
tiger by Kawahata (eee, I don't have it with me, but I think it was
Kawahata).

There is Yoshino's Tiger which is diagrammed in his Super Complex
Origami book as well as the '96 OUSA Convention book.

-D'gou
(submitted on 2/2/98 at 1pm Eastern US Time)

--
end
<a href="http://www.pgh.net/~dwp">Doug's Fun Page</a>





Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 18:39:04 -0400 (AST)
From: Tim Rueger <trueger@crystal.cirrus.com>
Subject: Tim's Folding California models - sea life

Hi, all,

I was asked by Dorothy Engleman to fold some sea life models for the
"Folding California" video project:

    John Montroll - Angelfish, Barracuda, Pelican, Humpback Whale
                    Sailfish, Sperm Whale
    Robert Lang   - Killer Whale

All but one of the models (the Pelican) are from Montroll and Lang's
excellent "Origami Sea Life".  The Pelican comes from the equally
excellent "Origami for the Connoisseur" by Kasahara/Takahama.

You can see photos of the models at:

    http://www.io.com/~rueger/origami/foldingCA/

-Tim
--
Tim Rueger -- Crystal Semiconductor, Computer Products Division
Fax:   (512) 912-3230  Email: trueger@crystal.cirrus.com





Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 18:59:15 -0400 (AST)
From: Joyce Owen <joyceowen@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Least Favorite Type of Fold

Anything I haven't already learned how to do.
Joyce





Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 19:10:01 -0400 (AST)
From: Mike & Janet Hamilton <Mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: least favorite folds (spirals)

I haven't yet mastered the double-rabbit-ear.  Closed sinks are not easy fo
me either.

Janet Hamilton

--
mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/





Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 19:11:42 -0400 (AST)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Tim's Folding California models - sea life

> You can see photos of the models at:
>
>     http://www.io.com/~rueger/origami/foldingCA/

Cool, thanks for putting the pictures up.  I haven't been to your site
in a while, and
just yesterday a co-worker and fellow-folder and I were folding complex
models for
most of the afternoon.  After seeing your photos from Lang's insects
books, I may open
that book for folding models for the first time (I got my copy soon
after it came out, but I can't recall from the top of my head when that
was).  Thanks for the inspiration!

-D'gou

--
end
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Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 19:46:29 -0400 (AST)
From: "Daniel J. Byrne & Candice Bradley" <djbyrne@pop.athenet.net>
Subject: Re: least favorite folds (spirals)

Brett Askinazi wrote:

> The best way I have found to do the spirals are to score the creases with an
> embossing stylus and a straight-edge before you begin folding.

Sounds great -- but is that cheating?

Candice





Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 22:49:18 -0400 (AST)
From: "James B. Raasch" <jbraas01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu>
Subject: Re: valentines

> Well, in the meantime, I was thinking about origami valentines for my 6
> year old's first grade class.  But I think it wouldn't be much fun if
> Mom folded the 16 valentines.  Any suggestion for a valentine project
> that Camille could fold?  Or for a very very simple project we could
> send to the school along with red paper and a set of easy easy
> instructions?   (FYI, first graders find it a challenge even to fold a
> straight line.)
>
> Muchas gracias,
>
> Candice

What about the traditional (?) fold that looks like an irregular hexagon until
you hold it up to the light to see the heart shape inside.  I think I've seen
this in one of Harbin's books (can't remember, can check my books later if
you're interested), and I recall it being relatively easy.

J.B. Raasch





Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 04:50:42 -0400 (AST)
From: Maarten van Gelder <M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: NO: List problems

I don't know what happened with the list. But at the moment the number of
members is 294 (1 Febr). And it was about 500 last month.
What you also may see in the list of members (gotten from the listserver) is
that all our 'names' have vanished and are replaced by some mysterious text.
As far as I can see they have had big problems and have reloaded an old member
list.

I don't know if the problems were due to the ice and snow in Canada. But if
they didn't have electricity the computers didn't work also!

Maarten van Gelder,           RC-ICT RuG,      RijksUniversiteit Groningen
M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl                       Nederland





Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 08:04:52 -0400 (AST)
From: jpl@www.barclab.com
Subject: Re: NO: List problems

Maarten van Gelder stated :

| I don't know what happened with the list. But at the moment the number of
| members is 294 (1 Febr). And it was about 500 last month.
| What you also may see in the list of members (gotten from the listserver) is
| that all our 'names' have vanished and are replaced by some mysterious text.
| As far as I can see they have had big problems and have reloaded an old member
| list.

Hrm. I'm seeing your message, so I guess I'm still on the member list. (I can't
seem to get the silly program to send me a list, so I can't check). However,
I've only been around for two months, and I'd be really surprised if those
missing 200 members all joined after me. Seems as if the listserver has
some real problems.

--
 Jurgen Pletinckx                           BARC         Etre une heure, rien
 Tel +32 9 220 49 81         Fax +32 9 221 85 17         qu'une heure durant
 jpl@barclab.be                                          Beau, beau, beau
 Industriepark Zwijnaarde 7, B9052 Gent, Belgium         et con a la fois





Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 08:47:31 -0400 (AST)
From: Wayne Fluharty <wflu@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: NO: List problems

>I don't know what happened with the list.

A few weeks ago, there was a period in which the list was down. After a
couple of days there were a few messages that said "Did I get dropped?",
"What happened?", etc... so obviously, the list was down again for a few
days.

After a couple of days of it being back up, I stopped getting messages
again. I did what I normally do and "subscribed" to the list. Normally
when I do that, one of three things happens:

   1. I get a message saying that I am already subscribed, which means
that traffic on the list is just slow.
   2. I get a massage that says I have been subscribed, which means that
I got dropped and am back on now.
   3. I get no response, which means that the list is down and I need to
be patient.

This time when I sent my subscription, I got an "error message" back
from the list service. I assumed we had finally been kicked off the list
and were looking for a new home. I tried several times over the course
of the last few weeks and always got "error messages" until yesterday.
Then magically it let me back in. I would be willing to bet that
something happened and hundreds of us got dropped and everyone tried to
get back in and couldn't and are waiting for word about the "new
home"...

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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 09:30:15 -0400 (AST)
From: "Jorge C. Lucero" <lucero@Ipe.mat.unb.br>
Subject: Re: NO: List problems

On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 jpl@www.barclab.com wrote:
> Hrm. I'm seeing your message, so I guess I'm still on the member list. (I
     can't
> seem to get the silly program to send me a list, so I can't check). However,
> I've only been around for two months, and I'd be really surprised if those
> missing 200 members all joined after me. Seems as if the listserver has
> some real problems.

I joined the list about two weeks ago, just before the problems started,
and I am still here. Yesterday I could get a list of the subscribers, it
looks strange.

Jorge

______________________________

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Dept. Matematica
Universidade de Brasilia
lucero@mat.unb.br
http://www.mat.unb.br/~lucero/





Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 09:45:51 -0400 (AST)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: NO: List problems

Here's a few clues that I've picked up on what's going
on with the list:

The company that hosted the list has been sold to an
internet provider called PSI-Net. PSI-Net doesn't have
any interest in continuing to host mailing lists unrelated
to, and unprofitable for their business. The list has been
asked to find a new home (long discussion on this on the list
recently.)

NSTN.ca is now very shorthanded, with employees leaving as
a result of the change of ownership. The listserver went
out on Jan. 17th, was briefly in again around the 22nd,
out again, and restarted a couple of days ago. Interim
mail was rejected (and lost) during this period. The files
of what traffic did make it through are still in the listserver
archive at NSTN.

(I'm referring here to the listserver host archives at NSTN,
not the "mirror" site at rug.nl operated independently by
Maarten van Gelder, who is not formally associated with
the listserver.)

The listserver apparently has severe problems, NSTN doesn't
have time to work on it, so how long it will continue is
anybody's guess. Meantime, according to a list member who
works for NSTN, during the week that list was down, the
membership list was sent to Joseph Wu, who is going to be
operating the list at its new home, and Anne Lavin, the
nominal "list owner".

A lot of people will probably have to re-subscribe after the
dust settles. All we can do is wait to hear from Joseph and/or
Anne about what's happening Re: the move to a new location.

If, as Maarten says, the current subscriber list is about
half what it was earlier this year, then his copy of it from
his mirror site may be better than what was sent to Joseph
Wu by NSTN recently during the outage.

Waiting for the dust to settle,
Valerie Vann
valerie_vann@compuserve.com





Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 09:52:14 -0400 (AST)
From: Sy Chen <sychen@erols.com>
Subject: Re: NO: List problems

I got dropped and re-subscribe to this list again.
Is there any one volunteering to send emails to all old subscribed members?
Where can we find the old member list (before the listserver problem)? One
email message might help the dropped-out members to take some action.

Sy Chen

 ----
From: Jorge C. Lucero <lucero@ipe.mat.unb.br>
Date: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: NO: List problems

>
>On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 jpl@www.barclab.com wrote:
>> Hrm. I'm seeing your message, so I guess I'm still on the member list.
(I can't
>> seem to get the silly program to send me a list, so I can't check).
However,
>> I've only been around for two months, and I'd be really surprised if
those
>> missing 200 members all joined after me. Seems as if the listserver has
>> some real problems.
>
>I joined the list about two weeks ago, just before the problems started,
>and I am still here. Yesterday I could get a list of the subscribers, it
>looks strange.
>
>Jorge
>
>______________________________
>
>Jorge C. Lucero
>Dept. Matematica
>Universidade de Brasilia
>lucero@mat.unb.br
>http://www.mat.unb.br/~lucero/





Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 10:07:42 -0400 (AST)
From: Maarten van Gelder <M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: Re: NO: List problems

m> If, as Maarten says, the current subscriber list is about
m> half what it was earlier this year, then his copy of it from
m> his mirror site may be better than what was sent to Joseph
m> Wu by NSTN recently during the outage.
m>
m> Waiting for the dust to settle,
m> Valerie Vann
m> valerie_vann@compuserve.com

Unfortunately I've already replaced the list in the archives with the shorter
version of 1 February.

Maarten van Gelder,           RC-ICT RuG,      RijksUniversiteit Groningen
M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl                       Nederland





Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 10:11:15 -0400 (AST)
From: GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU
Subject: RE: Modular vs multi-piece

fyi:

Tomoko Fuse's paper in the Ohtsu Science and Origami Proceedings uses
the term 'modular' and not 'unit' (in the English translation).

Rona





Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 10:26:43 -0400 (AST)
From: Maarten van Gelder <M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: Re: NO: List problems

m> A lot of people will probably have to re-subscribe after the
m> dust settles. All we can do is wait to hear from Joseph and/or
m> Anne about what's happening Re: the move to a new location.
m>
m> If, as Maarten says, the current subscriber list is about
m> half what it was earlier this year, then his copy of it from
m> his mirror site may be better than what was sent to Joseph
m> Wu by NSTN recently during the outage.

I just discovered that the list I have may contain about 600 members.
A lot of members have strange 'names': they are the addresses of other people
like VilleMaire etcetera.

Maarten van Gelder,           RC-ICT RuG,      RijksUniversiteit Groningen
M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl                       Nederland





Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 11:13:19 -0400 (AST)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: least favorite folds (spirals)

Candice Bradley wrote:
> > Brett Askinazi wrote:
> > The best way I have found to do the spirals are to score the creases with an
> > embossing stylus and a straight-edge before you begin folding.
> Sounds great -- but is that cheating?

Personally, I would say no.  If you could fold the model with the
precreasing all done by hand, then the stylus and straight edge are not
doing anything more than you can do, they are just reducing the tedium.
Similarly, if you fold a model for an exhibition (esp. a hands-on
exhibition for kids), and if the model holds together without glue,
using glue is a concession to the lack of care in handling the model,
not in the origami-integrity of it.

Oddly enough, wet folding is considered valid origami, and that produces
results based on partially dissolving the size (internal adhesive) of
the paper so that after its folded and shaped, the size will dry and
hold the paper in the finished position.  But I digress.

-Doug

--
end
<a href="http://www.pgh.net/~dwp">Doug's Fun Page</a>





Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 11:47:21 -0400 (AST)
From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com>
Subject: one of the listserv victims

I've been so lonely these last few weeks without my usual fill of
origami e-mail. I had assumed that the listserver was permanently
down, and my mailbox has been overfull of mail from another list
(that's nowhere near as friendly as this one) so I just got around
to resubscribing.

ObOrigami: I'm almost done folding my 1000 (base 8) cranes. I
highly recommend this number (512 base 10) to anyone who
doesn't want to commit to twice as many. I had help from a
bunch of people with a variety of folding experience (none to
a lot) so they are all different sizes---full sheets of 6 in. kami
down to 1.25 in. squares. The variety of size in addition to
color makes the jar look great. This time I used a large triangular
glass jar that I found at Pier 1---I like laying it on it's side for a
"ship in a bottle" look.

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 12:57:52 -0400 (AST)
From: V'Ann Cornelius <vann@lht.com>
Subject: Re: Cranes in a jar?

A thousand cranes in a Jar?  Do I understand?

V'Ann

Lisa Hodsdon wrote:
> ............ The variety of size in addition to
> color makes the jar look great. This time I used a large triangular
> glass jar that I found at Pier 1---I like laying it on it's side for a
> "ship in a bottle" look.





Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 14:22:51 -0400 (AST)
From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com>
Subject: Re: Cranes in a jar?

V'Ann asked:
>A thousand cranes in a Jar?  Do I understand?

I hate stringing cranes, and my sister hates dusting. Someone
had mentioned having a jar of origami that looked really nice,
so I  decided to present the thousand cranes that I folded for
my sister in clear glass jars with air tight lids. I was able to put
500 in each of two jars & they looked really nice. [I fold *small*
cranes---on the order of 1.25 in. or 3 cm in diameter.]

This time I didn't really fold 1000 in the usual sense, (1000 base 8
is equal to 512 base 10) so all "1000" fit into one jar quite nicely.
Pier 1 had some very large glass jars that would probably hold more
than 1000 very small cranes or even 1000 somewhat larger ones
if packed fairly carefully. I was very tempted to get one for myself,
but the price was discouraging.

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com

The earlier discussion of my reasons for not folding the usual
number of cranes can be found under the subject line:
"cranes, but not 1000" in January '98.





Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 15:27:57 -0400 (AST)
From: Jose Tomas Buitrago Molina <buitrago@maxwell.univalle.edu.co>
Subject:

Hi.
If you're interesed. I've a list of the origami-l recipients. I take it on
january 22.

Please write me to send it to you.
good luck,

Jose Tomas Buitrago





Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 15:41:27 -0400 (AST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Garc=EDa_Macias_Carlos?= <CGMACIAS@telmex.net>
Subject: RE: valentines

You can also use the very nice book of Francis Ow: "Origami Hearts"
that has many ideas for valentines !

/8-) Carlos Garca
De nada (you're welcome)

> > Well, in the meantime, I was thinking about origami valentines for
> my 6
> > year old's first grade class.  But I think it wouldn't be much fun
> if
> > Mom folded the 16 valentines.  Any suggestion for a valentine
> project
> > that Camille could fold?  Or for a very very simple project we could
> > send to the school along with red paper and a set of easy easy
> > instructions?   (FYI, first graders find it a challenge even to fold
> a
> > straight line.)
> >
> > Muchas gracias,
> >
> > Candice
>
> What about the traditional (?) fold that looks like an irregular
> hexagon until
> you hold it up to the light to see the heart shape inside.  I think
> I've seen
> this in one of Harbin's books (can't remember, can check my books
> later if
> you're interested), and I recall it being relatively easy.
>
> J.B. Raasch





Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 18:01:33 -0400 (AST)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: NO: List problems

UhOh. Sounds like maybe the membership list got
scrambled. Maybe 200 or so is all NSTN could salvage
from a corrupted file. Guess we'll have to wait and
see what Joseph Wu got.

Another possiblity is to wait until the new server
gets going, then check the members list against the
last six months or so of messages to see who's
missing.

Although I suppose those who really care and miss the
list will resubscribe eventually; notices can go to the
various origami organizations and we can all put the
info on our web sites.

Valerie_Vann@compuserve.com





Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 18:50:34 -0400 (AST)
From: "MARGARET M. BARBER" <mbarber@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu>
Subject: oops

Sorry -- I think I sent something (a complete reposting of another message
-- Verryy Sorrrry Robert!) by accident.  Nevermind....
Peg Barber
mbarber@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu





Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 01:53:31 -0400 (AST)
From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@sci.fi>
Subject: Re: listserver problems

>Teach origami at an after school program, retirement home, battered
>women's shelter, pediatric oncology ward, AIDS facility, hospice, etc.

Do you realize that any of those wouldn't be needed if there wasn't
one Unafolder?

:)

--
Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi





Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 01:55:01 -0400 (AST)
From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@sci.fi>
Subject: Re: Least Favorite Type of Fold

On 02-Feb-98, Jeff Kerwood (jkerwood@usaor.net) wrote:

>Well my least favorite fold is the plain old diagonal. Why? Cause I fold so
>many of them. But there is more too it than being irritated at the
>repetition. It is that every time I fold one I think, "I fold so many of
>these darn things there must be a faster better way".

Have you tried placing a straight edge over the paper and then running your
fingernail against the edge from below the paper? Another way is to emboss
the
crease with a tool of your choice.

When I don't have a straight edge available (or someone is watching :) I
pinch the corners and use them to find where the top corner should lie
(not always exactly on top of the corner below, I'm not as strict about
the paper's squareness as I used to be) and pinch the middle of the crease.
Then it's just two quick sweeps from middle to the corners, taking care that
the top layer doesn't slip.

--
Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi





Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 01:55:27 -0400 (AST)
From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@sci.fi>
Subject: Re: Least Favorite Type of Fold

On 01-Feb-98, Sebastian Marius Kirsch (skirsch@t-online.de) wrote:

>I hate simple folds that have to be done several times in a row. ("Narrow
>all eight legs using mountain folds", "Fold all other 144 spikes in the
>same way" and that kind of stuff.)

Have you tried Engel's centipede with 102 legs. I still have almost full
roll
of fax paper to fold one that lives up to it's Finnish name, which means
"1000 feet" :)

>And I hate it when the precreases are not diagrammed in the simplest or
>the most elegant way.

Here we have to deal with people's tastes and preferences as well as with
problems of diagramming. You can always precrease the way you want, I
personally have often drawn crease maps and numbered the creases so that
I can precrease faster and - which is more important - more accurately.

--
Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi





Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 13:34:02 -0400 (AST)
From: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Marius Kirsch)
Subject: Re: Least Favorite Type of Fold

On Wed, 4 Feb 1998, Jorma Oksanen wrote:
> Have you tried Engel's centipede with 102 legs.

I started it once, but gave up in the middle of it. But although I don't
like repeated creases, I like tesselations pretty much. (I have done
eg. four CBP tesselations, from 1st to 4th order. Or a 45cm x 45cm Square
Dance.)

> Here we have to deal with people's tastes and preferences as well as with
> problems of diagramming.

But sometimes there are simply easier ways to do precreases. Take the
Kawasaki Rose in OFTC, for example: The small creases in step 5 are much
easier to do when you do the creases from step 6 first. Then you
can fold the mid-point of a side to the point where middle crease and the
little diagonals at other side intersect.

Or, one of my favourite models is Robert Lang's Hermit Crab. But I could
never get the hang of these weird sinks at the beginning. Then I found out
that there are much easier ways to do them: You can do the sinks like the
beginning of Marc Kirschenbaum's Bee, ie. you sink the top of the bird
base up and down and then spread-sink the sides. Or you can sink the top
up and down and then simply mountain-fold the sides behind, that's just as
well. (The layering in the body won't be quite as nice, but nobody will
notice that.)

Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 17:05:56 -0800
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Subject: Welcome back!
Comments: To: origami@MIT.EDU

Here we are, hopefully all on the new MIT server. Things should be working
now, although many of the custom touches have not been set yet. Anyway, the
new list address is

     origami@mit.edu

You can check/change your settings by sending requests to

    listserv@mit.edu

Please note that we have changed from ListProcessor software to LISTSERV
software, so many of the commands are similar to what you were used to, but
not exactly the same. You can send the command

HELP

to the listserv address for a list of commands to this system.

Administrative requests (i.e. when things aren't working and you've tried
everything else) should be sent to me at

     josephwu@ultranet.ca

Anyway, have fun, and we'll try to have everything working smoothly very soon.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Producer, DNA Productions Inc.
t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: joseph@dna.bc.ca





Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 18:13:01 -0800
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Subject: Thanks to Anne and Grace!
Comments: To: ORIGAMI@MIT.EDU

Of course, in my hurry to get things running, I completely forgot to
mention Anne Lavin, our lovely host at MIT, who arranged for the new
location for us. Also, I should mention Grace Chiu, listmember and employee
at iStar, who has facilitated the transfer from NSTN. Thanks to you both!

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Producer, DNA Productions Inc.
t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: joseph@dna.bc.ca





Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 19:28:32 -0600
From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@MTAYR.HEARTLAND.NET>
Subject: Re: Welcome back!

Thank you Joseph!!!!
It's good to be back on the list! Where ever it may be!
(I still want to see the magazine your firm is working on!)
Perry

Paper, scissors, stone.....
Origami, Kirigami, bludgeon....
pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net





Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 19:45:59 -0600
From: Joyce Owen <djowen@PCL.NET>
Subject: Re: Welcome back!

Me, too!

Perry Bailey wrote:

> Thank you Joseph!!!!
> It's good to be back on the list! Where ever it may be!
> (I still want to see the magazine your firm is working on!)
> Perry
>
> Paper, scissors, stone.....
> Origami, Kirigami, bludgeon....
> pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net





Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 19:46:45 -0600 (CST)
From: Douglas Zander <dzander@SOLARIA.SOL.NET>
Subject: Re: Welcome back!

> You can check/change your settings by sending requests to
>
>     listserv@mit.edu
>
 yeah!  Thanks Joseph (see, I said Joseph this time instead of Mr. Wu) for
 all your help.  May this new home bring peace and joy to all who enter.

 and I would like to add, PLEASE everyone! save this address and the
 previous email in your folder under 'origami' so that you all won't be
 asking "how do I get off this list?"





Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 20:48:34 -0500 (EST)
From: PErick3491@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Welcome back!

Nice to have the list running again.  I missed it.  Thanks, Joseph.  Pat
Erickson





Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 20:55:19 -0700
From: dragon@FREENET.EDMONTON.AB.CA
Subject: Re: THANKS!!

I too echo my thanks.  I really missed the discussions and now that were
back I am looking forward to more.

Lynda





Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 21:00:40 -0100
From: Reeds Family <reeds@OPENIX.COM>
Subject: will mail get forwarded to new listserver?

Dear Joseph

I just gave out the old listserver address at an origami class I taught
last night in the local adult community school. If someone in the class
tries to subscribe using that address, will the request get forwarded to
the new MIT listserve? (no great problem if not, since they also have my
address and phone).

Anyway, my thanks to you and everyone who takes on/used to do the job of
keeping the listserve working!

Karen
reeds@openix.com





Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 21:05:27 -0500
From: acpquinn@PANTHER.MIDDLEBURY.EDU
Subject: Re: Welcome back!

woohoo...it's good to be back

i missed 5 weeks of discussions while i had my winter break and when i got
back, i didn't know what was going on -- no messages at all to the list.
it's nice to know that i wasn't one of the random unsub victims. it's even
nicer to know that the list is in the hands of the origaMIT people, about a
15 minute drive from me. so enlighten me, folks, what did i miss? why the
change of server? did maarten fold?

or did he stop folding?

wotever, it's good to be back.

peace,
alasdair





Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 21:23:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Every Folder <everyfolder@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: listserver problems (Who am I?)

On 4 Feb 1998 Jorma Oksanen said:

>>Teach origami at an after school program, retirement home, battered
>>women's shelter, pediatric oncology ward, AIDS facility, hospice, etc.
>
>Do you realize that any of those wouldn't be needed if there wasn't
>one Unafolder?
>
>:)
>
I do not make covert appearances
Nor do yellow journalism
I am fond of unmalicious mayhem & frivolity
I am Every Folder
I am you!

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com





Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 22:36:54 -0500
From: Susan Dugan <florafauna@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: THANKS!!

YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!
THANKS!!!!
Joseph,  Anne and Grace! and MIT.

HAPPY HOBBIT !!





Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 00:48:58 -0800
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Subject: Re: Welcome back!

On Thursday, February 05, 1998 12:19 AM, Andrew Daw [SMTP:andrewd@REDAC.CO.UK]
 wrote:
> You could have mentioned that the list is now called "origami" and
> not "origami-l".

Look again. I did. This change was a necessity due to a restriction in the
 system on
which the listserver is now running.

> To find out your settings for a particular subscription send a
> message to "listserv@mit.edu" with the contents:
>
> query <listname>
>
> e.g  query origami

Thanks for providing some more details. I'll have a proper set of instructions
 drafted up
in the next few days. I just thought that it would be better to get up and
 running sooner
than to wait for those instructions. Again, send the message "help" to
 "listserv@mit.edu"
for a list of commands that the listserver recognises.

Joseph Wu, Origami Artist & Multimedia Producer
T: (604)730-0306 x 105    F: (604)732-7331   E: josephwu@ultranet.ca
W: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 08:19:11 +0000 (GMT)
From: Andrew Daw <andrewd@REDAC.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Welcome back!
Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85]

You could have mentioned that the list is now called "origami" and
not "origami-l".
To find out your settings for a particular subscription send a
message to "listserv@mit.edu" with the contents:

query <listname>

e.g  query origami

or, to find out about all subscriptions to all lists at MIT supply
the listname as "*" i.e:

query *

I now look forward to receiving lots of interesting mail from the
new list.  Happy folding :)

Andrew





Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 08:34:12 -0500 (EST)
From: DonnaJowal@AOL.COM
Subject: MIT irony
Comments: To: origami@MIT.EDU

Now that the list is back(thanks to all concerrned!) I'd like to point out an
article I skimmed over in the New York Times about the time the move was being
discussed.

While everyone was insulting Joseph Wu by implying that somehow he would allow
the list to be censored while a "public" host would not,  MIT--our new
host--was writing the seemingly official set of 'rules' for what could and
could not be sent over the internet!

Thank you for your forbearance, Joseph.

Donna





Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 08:47:26 -0500
From: DGS - Kevin Kinney PhD <kkinney@CAROLINAS.ORG>
Subject: An origami sighting?
Comments: To: origami@MIT.EDU

The List came back just in time!  (Thanks all)

I was just despairing of not being able to report this one:

        Sighting on US television Thursday, Feb 4.  ABC television sitcom
"Dharma and Greg"

        Female lead character's (Dharma) old boyfriend comes back.  In
typical sit-com fashion, he's perfect, making her husband jealous.  At one
point, they come home from having dinner with the boyfriend, Dharma
carrying a paper (?) rose.  Her comment "Wow! Who knew Leonard [?] was an
origami expert?"

        The rose was a "life sized" one, looked very nice, and was on a
green leafed stem.  Might have been a napkin rose (from a very dark red
napkin?).  Definitely did not look like the newer Kawasaki rose that I was
working on at the time (but whether mine is an accurate representation is
open to debate.  That's a fiendish little model).

        Was a a real origami model?  ANyone claiming responsibility?

Kevin

kkinney@carolinas.org

Kevin Kinney
kkinney@carolinas.org





Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 09:24:57 +0000
From: Nick Robinson <nick@CHEESYPEAS.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: request...

Can anyone help this man? He's not on this list (yet!)....

  ------- Forwarded message follows -------
Dear Sir/Madam,

Hello !!! I am Lalit, an Indian working in Saudi Arabia. I am interested in
 Origami. When I was eight (8) years old, my father had presented me with two
 books on Origami part-I & II. There was a third part also
existing, which was not purchased by us. These books were published by one of
 the publishing house in UK. Unfortunately, I have forgotten it's name.

The reason for sending this mail is that, I have lost those books now & I want
 to buy then once again. I have searched many of the book shops over here & also
 in Bombay. However I was unsuccessful in tracing these
books. I got your mail address while browsing the INTERNET for the same books.
 If you have any idea of these books, could you do me the favour of sending me
 the details as to where I can buy them. My E-mail address is
lalit.lopez@saara.mail.abb.com

I have seen many new books on the same subject, but none can match the books
 which I had. One more thing worth mentioning is that, there were good
 illustrations in B/W & plenty of designs. These books were in paper back
version. Part-I was the basic, then it started with boats, boxes, baskets,
 birds, etc. Part-II dealt directly with a slightly complicated design. In both
 these books there was only one example where there was a use of
scissors.

With warm regards,
Lalit

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 09:57:22 -0800
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Subject: Re: request...

At 09:24 +0000 1998/2/05, Nick Robinson wrote:
>Can anyone help this man? He's not on this list (yet!)....

Sounds like he's talking about Origami 1 through 4 by Robert Harbin.

>  ------- Forwarded message follows -------
>Dear Sir/Madam,

Something we don't know about you, Nick?  8)

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Joseph Wu, Producer, DNA Productions Inc.
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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 09:58:03 -1000
From: Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@ALOHA.NET>
Subject: Re: Welcome back!

Thank you from the aloha folder to the hosts and Joseph as well for his
concerns and being there for us.  Mahalo, Jan





Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 10:07:37 -0500
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp+@TRANSARC.COM>
Subject: Thanks for new list home!

Thanks for Joseph, Anne and Grace!  Yay, we have a list again!

Hopefully now Joseph can concentrate even more on the new online origami
magazine venture extravaganza!
-D'gou

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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 12:50:03 -0800
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: subscription, postpone and archives

Maarten has sent a revised copy of his list admin message to the list.
Please note that some of this information is incorrect. Here's a revised
version:

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How to UNSUBSCRIBE from this list ...
   Send a message to:                        listserv@mit.edu
   with in the body a line saying only:      signoff ORIGAMI

You may have PROBLEMS with your (un)subscription:
 - The unsubscribe is not effectuated within a reasonable time (some days).
 - You get all messages twice (via two email addresses).

In both cases send a mail to the list manager:

   josephwu@ultranet.ca

mentioning which email address to remove from the list (ORIGAMI).
The listmanager is a human being with a limited amount of time, so be patient
while awaiting your deletion from the list.

When you don't get messages from the list (even not your own messages) you
are probably set to NOMAIL. You can do it yourself (when going on holiday),
but in the past months it happend to several members at random.  To set the
For those of you who have forgotten how to ACCESS the ARCHIVES ......
You may get information, programs, diagrams, old messages and other stuff
from the archives via FTP, WWW and Email. The FAQ tells you how to do this.
   Send a message to:                        origami@www.rug.nl
   with in the body a line saying only:      faq

MIND: THE THREE EMAIL ADDRESSES ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

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Joseph Wu, Producer, DNA Productions Inc.
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Date: Thu, 05 Feb 1998 14:14:32 -0800
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ULTRANET.CA>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: subscription, postpone and archives

As a further revision, please replace the following portion

>In both cases send a mail to the list manager:
>
>   josephwu@ultranet.ca
>
>mentioning which email address to remove from the list (ORIGAMI).
>The listmanager is a human being with a limited amount of time, so be patient
>while awaiting your deletion from the list.

with this:

In both cases, send a mail to the list owners:

  origami-request@mitvma.mit.edu

mentioning which email address to remove from the list.
The list owners are human beings with a limited amount of time, so be patient
while awaiting your deletion from the list.

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