




Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 08:34:56 -0400 (AST)
From: RA Kennedy <kennedra@isdugp.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Accessing list of members

> > Joseph Wu wrote
> > > Yes, the list of addresses can be protected from outsiders. However ANY
> > > LIST MEMBER can also get a list of addresses.
> > Some listservers don't allow you to get a list of the members at all!

This is not quite correct, ANYONE (not just list members) can obtain the
list by sending:

REVIEW ORIGAMI-L

to the listserver. I have used this feature on a number of occasions to check
that I am subscribed to the list. I would prefer access to the address list to
be restricted to list members, but since membership is unrestricted, this adds
little to security, and we would lose this means of checking for unsbscription
events.

> If you believe [as do I] that that would be a better way to do things,
> then regardless of whether the list is set up at MIT or DNA it can be
> arranged so that the email-address-list is blocked.

Another use I make of the address list is to obtain the email addresses of
members, so that I can reply to messages privately, rather than through
the list. I have to do this, because many list members do not provide
their email addresses in messages. I would not wish to have to bother the
list administrator every time I needed the email address of a member of the
list for this purpose. I guess if some members really do not wish their
addresses to be available to the list, there could be a 'CONCEAL' feature
in the address list.

Richard K
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 10:23:53 -0400 (AST)
From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@sci.fi>
Subject: Name this paper

I purchased a software package from SAS Institute, and disks were in a
paper/plastic envelope. The paper looks like it has plastic fibers in
it and it feels different on different sides - one is more paper-like
and the other is more slippery, like it contained more plastic. I wonder
if this paper can be purchased anywhere, as it proved to be virtually
untearable, holds a crease well and is reasonably thin - all properties
that a paperfolder respect.

One additional thrill when folding that paper was the legalese about
copyright and guarantee - folding law has never been so much fun!

Jorma





Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 11:36:54 -0400 (AST)
From: David Tait <tait@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Name this paper

Could it be Tyvek? It is generally found in the post office mailing
envelopes - and used in house building for weatherproofing the frame. When
we built our house we purchased the 9 foot by 40 foot roll. Unfortunately, I
had to sacrifice most of it for the house- instead of making a jumbo
jack-in-the-box or "Last Waltz"!

Regards,
Tricia Tait

Jorma Oksanen wrote:

> I purchased a software package from SAS Institute, and disks were in a
> paper/plastic envelope. The paper looks like it has plastic fibers in
> it and it feels different on different sides - one is more paper-like
> and the other is more slippery, like it contained more plastic. I wonder
> if this paper can be purchased anywhere, as it proved to be virtually
> untearable, holds a crease well and is reasonably thin - all properties
> that a paperfolder respect.
>
> One additional thrill when folding that paper was the legalese about
> copyright and guarantee - folding law has never been so much fun!
>
> Jorma





Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 12:06:09 -0400 (AST)
From: James Fowler High School Library <fowlerj1@cadvision.com>
Subject: Teaching origami for teachers

For those of you looking for a new thread, I hope this is the one that
will galvanize you into responding. A group of us, five members of FOG
(Foothills Origami Guild) in Calgary, Alberta, will be presenting an
hour long session called "Origami in the Classroom" to a group of
teachers at our annual convention in mid February . The convention
organizers changed our registration limit from 60 to 100. (And we are
doing it twice.)

I know that many of you have made presentations to groups and I would
like to pick your brains. Any suggestions you have for organizing the
group, what formats we could use for presenting the information, what
models we might present, and curriculum connections which could be made,
are all welcome. Also, how have you provided for supplies, are there
bibliographies you have provided, have you made copies of models for
every participant, etc. etc.?

We have discussed the presentation and have made plans, but we are
meeting again at the end of January to finalize our presentation. I look
forward to hearing from you and I am sure my fellow presenters will be
as appreciative as I will be. This is a labour of love since we are
being given $200.00, there are five of us, we are presenting twice and
are not being given any extra funding for supplies or photocopying.

Sincerely,
Nigel Pottle
Npottle@cbe.ab.ca or fowlerj1@cadvision.com





Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 12:32:19 -0400 (AST)
From: Brian Cox <briancox@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: DIGEST

Greetings to the group

Could someone please explain how to set to digest

thanks
Brian Cox





Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 12:52:14 -0400 (AST)
From: Garrett Alley <garrett@infospace-inc.com>
Subject: Origami and Food

Hello,

During the holiday break, my wife and I stumbled upon a recipe for 'Paper
Wrapped Chicken'. My job in the preparation of this dish was to cut 80 5"
squares of parchment paper and wrap one small piece of chicken with each
one. I had great fun trying to come up with the best fold for the wrap. By
the way, the chicken was delicious!

So, what other origami foods are out there?

-g-





Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 14:27:58 -0400 (AST)
From: Frank Pelz <frank.pelz@metronet.de>
Subject: Re: origami software sighting

I also saw a hint to this software. What models are realized in the book ?
Also complex models?

regards Frank

Rjlang@aol.com schrieb:

> >>>>
> A program called Origami: the Secret life of paper $49.95
> says it has about 80 quicktime movies showing the steps for a dozen
> folds...[snip]...The publisher is listed as Casady & Greene.
> I looked back on the list and didn't see anything on this.
> <<<<
>
> > Is this new?
>
> The program is about a year old. The Win3.1/Win95/Mac version just came out
> (formerly it was Mac-only).
>
> > is it any good?
>
> Yes, it's very good. (Of course, I'm biased: see below).
>
> > who did it?
>
> Cloudrunner Software (a.k.a. Neil and Jean Alexander, who are also members of
> origami-L) put the show together; origami content was provided by me and
> Peter Engel. Works by the world's origami masters were provided by the
> world's origami masters.
>
> The cross-platform version was recently favorably reviewed in "Smart
> Computing" magazine, the January issue.
>
> Robert J. Lang





Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 14:45:39 -0400 (AST)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: RE: a new home for origami-l?

Origami-L hasn't been a "5-message per day" list for years, except
during major Holiday periods; the uncompressed volume of traffic
is sometimes a half megabyte per month.

But hopefully we're not going to have *to discuss* this more than
once every 10 years or so...

Valerie





Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 14:56:28 -0400 (AST)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: "The Mask"? (New book by FUSE Tomoko)

Sasuga's site describes the book subject as Origami Masks
created by Tomoko Fuse "when she was a young woman."
As many of you know, Fuse is now mainly known for modular
designs and boxes; we've seen little of her other work,
so this book is sort of a "first".

valerie
valerie_vann@compuserve.com





Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 20:40:55 -0400 (AST)
From: Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@ALOHA.NET>
Subject: Re: Teaching origami for teachers

James Fowler High School Library wrote:
>
> For those of you looking for a new thread, I hope this is the one that
> will galvanize you into responding. A group of us, five members of FOG
> (Foothills Origami Guild) in Calgary, Alberta, will be presenting an
> hour long session called "Origami in the Classroom" to a group of
> teachers at our annual convention in mid February . The convention
> organizers changed our registration limit from 60 to 100. (And we are
> doing it twice.)
>
> I know that many of you have made presentations to groups and I would
> like to pick your brains. Any suggestions you have for organizing the
> group, what formats we could use for presenting the information, what
> models we might present, and curriculum connections which could be made,
> are all welcome. Also, how have you provided for supplies, are there
> bibliographies you have provided, have you made copies of models for
> every participant, etc. etc.?
>
> We have discussed the presentation and have made plans, but we are
> meeting again at the end of January to finalize our presentation. I look
> forward to hearing from you and I am sure my fellow presenters will be
> as appreciative as I will be. This is a labour of love since we are
> being given $200.00, there are five of us, we are presenting twice and
> are not being given any extra funding for supplies or photocopying.
>
> Sincerely,
> Nigel Pottle
> Npottle@cbe.ab.ca or fowlerj1@cadvision.com
Hi Nigel,
        Oh boy do you have a job.  I was in a similar position once so I know
what's ahead of you.  However, that was many years ago and now there's
help!  Look up <http:www.earthlink.net/~pearl2> which is Barbara Pearl's
url.  Her email address is there too.  She presents such workshops for a
living.  What is really marvelous is her book.  She approaches origami
presentation from a math angle, her workshop being called "Math in
Motion".  The book though has many easy models for children with all the
justifications, all the other gems you teach  (besides the brain
training you instill) with doing origami.  I wish I had that book to use
when I taught those workshops.  The book is for sale so you can maybe
work out a deal with her for selling it at the workshop.  Anyway check
out her website because she does have some pointers there too.  She's
also a nice lady and might share ideas with you.
        Other than that, I'd say keep it simple, clear, have as much help as
you can get.  Having also taught origami in the classroom, here's one of
my favorite techniques:  Silent origami.  (Only done after origami has
captured the hearts of the children and they'd do anything to have
folding time...and they get there pretty quickly".  The entire session
is done totally visually...NO TALKING FROM TEACHER OR KIDS.  I did it
when I really needed the quiet.  The instructions are shown and the
teacher goes about to every student to see that they got the
step...especially the first few steps to assure the children that they
will be helped and to not panic...but if they do they have to do it
quietly.  When a new step is being shown, a snap of the fingers calls
their attention.  This goes very slowly but its really worth it.  Also,
its only a once in  a while thing.    Aloha, and good luck, Jan
--
<http://www.gotomymall.com/hawaii/origami/>
Origami by Jan website...the Fodor folder





Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 20:47:56 -0400 (AST)
From: Pat Slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: Paper at rubber stamp stores

..and speaking of paper. I have had quite a bit of luck lately at local
rubber stamp stores. I have been meaning to give a "heads up" to everyone.
The rubber stamping crowd is developing quite an interest in papers, it
seems, using the papers to make cards and collages.

My local stores are stocking alot of different handmade papers and other
possible foldable materials. Here are my recent finds to give you an idea:

6" x 9" pieces of momigami for 50 cents each.

11" SQUARE (!!!) sheets of pastel polka-dot paper for scrap books. Also
available in stars or floral patterns. A little thick but folds well. Sold
by the sheet, 5 for $1.

Sheets of handmade paper. (22" x 36", etc.)

Different packages of assorted 6" x 9" handmade papers.

Anyway, if you have a store in your neighborhood that specializes in rubber
stamps, you might want to watch it for possible papers. The stock really
seems to be variable and unpredictable though. Lots of rubber stamp supply
stores are online too, by the way.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Pat Slider
STONECUTTER
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 20:48:12 -0400 (AST)
From: Pat Slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: Re: Name this paper

>Jorma Oksanen wrote:
>
>> I purchased a software package from SAS Institute, and disks were in a
>> paper/plastic envelope. The paper looks like it has plastic fibers in
>> it and it feels different on different sides - one is more paper-like
>> and the other is more slippery, like it contained more plastic.

I've been seeing some vellum-like transparent papers lately. (Some sold in
the Collage catalog. And fascinating folds sent me some paper samples in
one of the transparent envelopes.)

Haven't tried folding the stuff though, and I'm not sure if it is feels
different on different sides. I don't have any samples of it here, but
perhaps someone else has one from fascinating folds?

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Pat Slider
STONECUTTER
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 20:48:27 -0400 (AST)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: "The Mask"? (New book by FUSE Tomoko)

Valerie,
At 14.57 9/1/1998 -0400, you wrote:
>Sasuga's site describes the book subject as Origami Masks
>created by Tomoko Fuse "when she was a young woman."

I know Tomoko. She's STILL a young woman !!! >:-(

Roberto
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Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 20:54:51 -0400 (AST)
From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@spacestar.net>
Subject: Re: Origami and Food

>So, what other origami foods are out there?

I have made fish in parchment: I saute onions and mushrooms slowly in
butter, divide this mixture among the parchment sheets, top each one with
a piece of mild fish (such as sole), seal the parchment and bake.

Another recipe I've tried is sliced new potatoes, fresh herbs and butter
baked in parchment.

In both cases, I've used parchment circles folded in half after the food
was added and sealed by folding the edges together into a twisted-rope
pattern.

Then, of course, there are all the filled things made with pasta, filo,
puff pastry, pie pastry  and yeasted doughs.

I was looking at Eric Kenneway's Complete Origami and he suggests using
puff pastry rolled out very thin for origami food cases. He actually has
an entry under "cooking." Illustrating the entry is a photo of a square
parchment wrapper with the top slit diagonally in both directions and
folded back to reveal a salmon steak with sliced cucumber on top. Very
attractive!

I don't know about you, but I'm getting hungry.

.Jane





Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 21:04:19 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ultranet.ca>
Subject: 1001 cranes vs. 1000 cranes

I got an interesting question from a visitor at my site recently. She had
heard that for weddings, 1001 cranes should be folded rather than 1000
cranes. The 1000 cranes would be folded by the bride (and family) and the
remaining crane is to be folded by the groom. Has anyone ever heard of
this? I'm wondering (a) if this is true, and (b) if anyone has information
on how this came about (assuming (a)).

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Producer, DNA Productions Inc.
t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: joseph@dna.bc.ca





Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:35:23 -0400 (AST)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: 1001 cranes vs. 1000 cranes

<< The 1000 cranes would be folded by the bride (and family) and the
<<remaining crane is to be folded by the groom

Sounds to me like it was cooked up by the same folks who decided
that the bride's family gets to pay for the wedding.
:-)

valerie





Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:51:07 -0400 (AST)
From: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Marius Kirsch)
Subject: RE: a new home for origami-l? (LONG)

On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Joseph Wu wrote:
> So you would rather deal with all of the "How do I unsubscribe?"
> messages than have a single line pointer at the end of each message?

Yes, definitively. This may be a personal idiosyncrasy, but I believe that
a listserver should not alter the contents of a message in any way, and
should try to pass it on as verbatim as possible.

> DNA's responsibility will be restricted to the technical issues of
> hosting the list, including dealing with spammers and other attacks on
> the functionality of the host server. Repeated attacks will be blocked.

That's your right as an internet provider to make sure that the equipment
stays functional. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.

> As for list content, that is up to the members to police, and I will
> certainly do my job as a regular list member (not as the host server
> administrator) if such occasions arise.

It has worked till now, and I suppose that it will also word in future.
(The list coped with the change of audience in the last few years pretty
well, so I see no reason why this should change.)

> I can't remember, either. 8)

Your memory should be better than mine in this aspect. ;-)

> And I meant that DNA would not be posting ads (i.e. come and buy our
> stuff ads, not including announcements of new issues of the magazine)
> for itself or for its advertisers.

I do think you'll be able to tell the difference between an announcememnt
and an advertisement. I do not think that this will yield any problems.

If that's how it is, I don't see any problems with DNA hosting the list.

Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:51:33 -0400 (AST)
From: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Marius Kirsch)
Subject: Re: Name this paper

On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Jorma Oksanen wrote:
> I purchased a software package from SAS Institute, and disks were in a
> paper/plastic envelope. The paper looks like it has plastic fibers in
> it and it feels different on different sides - one is more paper-like
> and the other is more slippery, like it contained more plastic.

This paper is probably a laminate between normal paper and Kevlar. Kevlar
is a micro-fibre developed by DuPont, and it can used for just about
everything from envelopes it disposable overalls. It can even be used to
wrap the shell of a house until it is completed, I am told.

Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:48:19 -0400 (AST)
From: mplewinska@mindspring.com (Magdalena Cano Plewinska)
Subject: Re:

On Thu, 8 Jan 1998 04:45:45 -0400 (AST), "Chamberlain, Clare"
<Clare.Chamberlain@health.wa.gov.au> wrote:

>Thank you, oh great unafolder.......You have inspired me to think of......
>foldable underwear

Oooohhh! This is scary in light of Friday morning's news! Is Ted
Kaczynski the real Unafolder?
--
Magda Plewinska                   mplewinska@mindspring.com
Miami, FL, USA





Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:49:17 -0400 (AST)
From: mplewinska@mindspring.com (Magdalena Cano Plewinska)
Subject: Re: NO: Another home for origami-l? (shortish)

On Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:56:26 -0400 (AST), "Bernie Cosell"
<bernie@fantasyfarm.com> wrote:

>I set up the mailing lists that I administer so that
>*no*one* can get the list of email addresses other than by emailing me [as
>the administrator] and asking.

The main reason the "review" function had been useful to me under the
current state of affairs is that if I haven't gotten any origami-l
mail for a day or two, I can check to see that I'm still subscribed.
Of course, if there is a list administrator who actually pays
attention, that would not be necessary.
--
Magda Plewinska                   mplewinska@mindspring.com
Miami, FL, USA





Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:02:11 -0400 (AST)
From: Unafolder <Unafolder@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 1001 cranes vs. 1000 cranes

In a message dated 98-01-09 22:24:02 EST, you write:

>Sounds to me like it was cooked up by the same folks who decided
>that the bride's family gets to pay for the wedding.
>:-)
>
>

And the chick always pays for the date when the dude folds her something out
of the placemat.

It's basic etiquette.

Una





Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:09:06 -0400 (AST)
From: Unafolder <Unafolder@aol.com>
Subject: Re:

In a message dated 98-01-10 00:58:46 EST, you write:

>Oooohhh! This is scary in light of Friday morning's news! Is Ted
>Kaczynski the real Unafolder?

No, but he's one of the gang.  We used to call him "Two -crease Sinkur"

Una





Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:15:51 -0400 (AST)
From: Brian Cox <briancox@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: 1001 cranes vs. 1000 cranes

Joseph Wu wrote:
>
> I got an interesting question from a visitor at my site recently. She had
> heard that for weddings, 1001 cranes should be folded rather than 1000
> cranes. The 1000 cranes would be folded by the bride (and family) and the
> remaining crane is to be folded by the groom. Has anyone ever heard of
> this? I'm wondering (a) if this is true, and (b) if anyone has information
> on how this came about (assuming (a)).
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Joseph Wu, Producer, DNA Productions Inc.
> t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: joseph@dna.bc.ca

Hi Joseph

The 1001 cranes may have it"s roots in the legend as I heard it.

The 1 may/should represent the golden crane. To be able to wish upon the golden
     crane
and realize your dream you must fold 1000 cranes = 1001.
I have used variations of this interpretation over 50 times in the past.
The latest being at the Wurzburg Germany Conf. There were 1000 cranes of
     various colors
including the International Peace Crane paper plus a golden crane at the top to
     wish
upon. I was unable to stay for the conference due to previous committments. The
following was the theme for Wurzburg. Thanks to those who helped and to those
     who
noticed.

Germany'97
CREATING A BALANCE

Inspired by the book "Sadako and the Thousand Paper Cranes"
author: Eleanor Coerr

  The crane in the Japanese culture is a symbol of Peace, Good Health, and
Happiness. Legend has it, that if you wish upon the Golden crane and fold
1,000 cranes your wish or prayer will be answered.

  In the times that we live, every day human conflict spreads and grows more
severe, the environment becomes more threatened. There is an overwhelming need

This mobile was created for Origami Deutschland as a celebration of this
legend.
by the staff and children of
-Victoria Albert  110 Ellen R3A 1A1 Wpg
-Manitoba Youth Centre 170 Doncaster R3N 1X9 Wpg

Plus many other Origami societies and individuals around the Origami world.

    The White, Yellow, Red, Black cranes were adapted from a 1,000 crane
mobile created in 1992 as 1 of 10 for the Winnipeg International Children's
Festival 10th anniversary and tribute to children's entertainer Winston
Wuttunee by Children of the Earth School. They represent the North, East,
West, and South. These pieces of this mobile were created for FOLKORAMA'95 as
a celebration of Manitoba's 125th Birthday and Earthday's 25th Birthday and
was flown on Aug. 5/95 on the eve of the 50th anniversary of the dropping of
the atomic bomb on Hiroshima by the staff and children of:
    Folkorama Picnic with Bob Frayer and Family co-ordinating, March for Peace
Rally, Winnipeg Folk Festival Family Area, Manitoba Youth Centre, MacDonald
Youth Services, Winnipeg boys and girls club, St. Boniface Children's Place,
St. Amant Centre, Winnipeg Children's Hospital.
    The many colored cranes were chosen to represent all the people of the
earth. International Origami Paper from International Peace Crane to symbolize
the peace wish, the three levels represent the Air, Land and Water. The mobile

  With our world and environment in ever increasing chaos and conflict we have
folded these cranes as a symbol of our prayer, that through events such as
this, that all the peoples of the world will try to "Create A Balance" so we
all may enjoy   " PEACE, GOOD HEALTH, and HAPPINESS".

Here flies 1,000 CRANES as a gentle reminder for all to do their part in
"CREATING A BALANCE".





Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:24:04 -0400 (AST)
From: Bill Walker <origami@kreative.net>
Subject: Re: Name this paper

Pat Slider wrote:
>
> >Jorma Oksanen wrote:
> >
> >> I purchased a software package from SAS Institute, and disks were in a
> >> paper/plastic envelope. The paper looks like it has plastic fibers in
> >> it and it feels different on different sides - one is more paper-like
> >> and the other is more slippery, like it contained more plastic.
>
> I've been seeing some vellum-like transparent papers lately. (Some sold in
> the Collage catalog. And fascinating folds sent me some paper samples in
> one of the transparent envelopes.)
>
> Haven't tried folding the stuff though, and I'm not sure if it is feels
> different on different sides. I don't have any samples of it here, but
> perhaps someone else has one from fascinating folds?
>
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> Pat Slider
> STONECUTTER
> slider@stonecutter.com

Hello Everyone;

I just purchased from Kim's Crane a sheet of beautiful Rainbow
Transparent Paper that seems somewhat like vellum.  It folds
wonderfully!

Bill





Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:49:09 -0400 (AST)
From: "Sergei Y. Afonkin" <sergei@origami.nit.spb.su>
Subject: Try to find Dino...

   Dear ori-friends,

I try to find the address or e-mail of Dino and Antonieta Andreozzi
whom we met in York-97. Could anybody help?

Your Sergei Afonkin, the chairman of St.Petersburg Origami Center
                                  ,    ,
sergei@origami.nit.spb.su        ("\''/").___..--''"`-._
                                 `9_ 9  )   `-.  (     ).`-.__.`)
                                 (_Y_.)'  ._   )  `._ `. ``-..-'





Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:16:55 -0400 (AST)
From: JacAlArt <JacAlArt@aol.com>
Subject: Fuse's MASK book

Anyone have it? Is it simple? Complex? Inbetween? Varied? Are the models
modular/unit, or traditional square?

~Alec





Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:00:11 -0400 (AST)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Teaching origami for teachers

James Fowler High School Library <fowlerj1@cadvision.com> sez

>like to pick your brains.

See if you can find someone with a copy of the COET book - it's an
invaluable source of info for teachers....

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:59:03 -0400 (AST)
From: Brian Cox <briancox@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Try to find Dino...

Sergei Y. Afonkin wrote:
>
>    Dear ori-friends,
>
> I try to find the address or e-mail of Dino and Antonieta Andreozzi
> whom we met in York-97. Could anybody help?
> Hi Sergei

Try this email for Dino. I got it by sending a message to
listserver@nstn.ca  and I put
REVIEW ORIGAMI-L in thhe body of the e-mail
and they sent me back alist of over 500 names Dino was near the begining.

DION@HEM.PASSAGEN.SE                             Dino Andreozzi

Take care
Your friend
Brian





Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:32:39 -0400 (AST)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: Fuse's MASK book

Sasuga is just shipping mail orders of the
Fuse Mask book. The only description I have is
from Sasuga's web pages, where it states that
the models were created when Fuse was in her
twenties, all are very complex, averaging
50-60 steps each.

Valerie





Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:00:58 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@usaor.net>
Subject: Quintessential complex model / diagram

I wonder - if I ever become a really good folder how will I know that I
have arrived. What model / diagram combination would represent the
quintessential well diagrammed / very complex model? If I can fold it well
I have arrived. This would be a test of ones folding, not a test of ones
ability to decipher mediocre diagrams. I'm not interested in nit-picking
the details like what makes a good diagram or what does "fold it well"
mean. I'm just wanting your thoughts about a model / diagram that I can put
in put in front of myself and say "with practice - someday".

:-)'s to all,
Jeff Kerwood
jkerwood@usaor.net





Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:29:17 -0400 (AST)
From: Michael Clark <mdc@ivc.com>
Subject: Origami and Food

Garrett Alley <garrett@infospace-inc.com> wrote:

>So, what other origami foods are out there?

Spanikopita!  Spinach and cheese folded in phyllo pastry like you fold a
flag (a triangle).  Highly recommended and fun too!
<<<<<>>>>><<<<<>>>>><<<<<>>>>><<<<<>>>>><<<<<>>>>><<<<<>>>>>
Michael Clark                <> The boy, ah say, the boy's
IVC,Inc.                     <> about as sharp as a
Apex, North Carolina         <> bowlin' ball!
mdc@ivc.com                  <>           - Foghorn Leghorn
http://www.ivc.com           <>





Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 03:17:49 -0400 (AST)
From: "Sergei Y. Afonkin" <sergei@origami.nit.spb.su>
Subject: Origami and Education-98

   St.Petersburg Origami Center makes next (third) Conference
"Origami and Education" 28-29 March in St.Petersburg.
For any other information please contact with
   Sergei Afonkin, the chairman

sergei@origami.nit.spb.su





Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 06:07:08 -0400 (AST)
From: Doris.L@t-online.de
Subject: Dino's address

Hi Sergej,
here are Dino's snail and mail addresses:

Dino and Antonietta Andreozzi
Tre Kaellors vag 17nb
14565 Norsborg
Sweden

Phone/Fax: ++46/8/531 77 198

email: dion@hem.passagem.se

origamically
Doris





Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 09:50:11 -0400 (AST)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Re: a new home for origami-l? (LONG)

Even if you attached the complete instructions for unsubscribing to
every single message, we would still have plenty of "How do I
unsubscribe?" messages. Some people just can't be bothered with actually
READING instructions :-). So the pointer would be pretty pointless
anyway...

Matthias

Joseph Wu wrote:
> So you would rather deal with all of the "How do I unsubscribe?" messages than
> have a single line pointer at the end of each message?





Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:19:08 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@usaor.net>
Subject: Tea-bag book

I am wondering about the book *Origami - Tea Bag Folding" by Kricskovics
Zsuzsanna.

==========================

Are these meant to be from the bag the tea is contained in, or from the
"envelope" that the tea bag is in?

Would the models work well with Glassine or vellum?

What other paper would work well for them?

What ratio paper is used?

These are "sun-catcher" models - right?

What level of difficulty are the models?

Are the diagrams "good"?

==========================

Thanks for any info you can give me.

Jeff Kerwood
jkerwood@usaor.net





Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:23:51 -0400 (AST)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: Tea-bag book

Jeff, the papers are the ones the teabags are wrapped in.
They are from a particular company (British I think) that
uses beautiful multicolor fancy designs on those outer
wrappers. I've never seen this tea in California where I
live, but then I'm not "into" the fancy tea/coffee stores,
just whatever is available at my Co-op, (and the fancy tea
I buy there is in bulk, by weight, bring your own paper bag.)

And you'd have to drink a lot of tea, or have a lot of tea
drinkers who'd save the wrappers for you.
:-)

The book is well done, the results are beautiful. I suppose
you could figure out the proportions of the papers and use
something else. The effects are obtained by a kalidascope
style circular repeat of a portion of the design. I
enjoy looking at the book, but since my tea bag wrappers are
pretty boring, I've not tried making any of the models.

Valerie Vann





Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:57:06 -0400 (AST)
From: Bill Walker <origami@kreative.net>
Subject: Germany and Paper

Hello Everyone:
I will be traveling to the Frankfurt and Munich areas of Germany for
business in April and would like suggestions on good stores to
locate origami and artisan papers.  I will have transportation.  I
checked Janet Hamilton's page out but there were few listings for
stores in the areas I will be.  Thanks in advance.

Best Regards,
Bill





Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 19:57:31 -0400 (AST)
From: Gib Henry <gibhenry@realpeople.com>
Subject: Business-card origami?

A friend of mine has an interest in origami specifically using business
cards.  Do you know of any resources on this specific subject?  I'd love to
get him a book or whatever.  Thanks for any pointers you can offer.  And
Happy New Year!  Cheers,

--
Gib Henry

  * 80% of "computer literacy" consists of typing ability.
  * 80% of "data processing" consists of sorting.

In human terms, Einstein was wrong:  The universe as we once knew it has
imploded, and is rapidly becoming a small community.  We are next-door
neighbors, you and I.





Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:15:00 -0400 (AST)
From: orig@webtv.net (DON CONNELL)
Subject: Busines cards, etc

I'm interested in business card origami too, but have no info on it.

At one time there was a book (pr booklet) about origami with train
tickets (or airplane ticket stubs). It may have been from France I
think. Is that book  still available somewhere?

Is there really a model you can make out of a pizza box?





Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:34:01 -0400 (AST)
From: ROCKYGROD <ROCKYGROD@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  Tea-bag book

Does anyone know a source for the type of teabags used in this book?

Thanks,
Patty





Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:44:40 -0400 (AST)
From: ROCKYGROD <ROCKYGROD@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  Fuse's MASK book

I just received the book last week.  The models are incredible.  They are not
modular.  It is very different from her modular origami.  These are more soft
and rounded.  A very nice book.  Models seem difficult.  I haven't tried them
yet.

Patty





Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 01:41:57 -0400 (AST)
From: DORIGAMI <DORIGAMI@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  Re: Origins of Paper

Dear Robert,

Speaking of Dard Hunter, I visited the Papermaking Museum in Atlanta Georgia
where the Dard Hunter exhibit is along with other wonderful paper related
exhibits.  Another exhibit is of wonderful watermarks. Many films on
papermaking are there too.  You can find a description of this museum on the
World Wide Web and even a floor plan of exhibits.  For anyone visiting Atlanta
or who lives there and is interested in paper as we Origamians are, I
recommend it highly.





Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 01:51:36 -0400 (AST)
From: DORIGAMI <DORIGAMI@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  Re: a new home for origami-l?

What does it mean when someone on our origami-L has the words hot mail after
his address.  Most of the time this is junk mail and I throw it out without
looking unless it is someone I know.
can someone enlighten me?





Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 01:55:17 -0400 (AST)
From: DORIGAMI <DORIGAMI@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  Re: a new home for origami-l?

What does it mean when someone on our origami-L has the words hot mail after
his address.  Most of the time this is junk mail and I throw it out without
looking unless it is someone I know.
can someone enlighten me? Dorigami





Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:41:47 -0400 (AST)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Germany and Paper

Bill Walker <origami@kreative.net> sez

>I will be traveling to the Frankfurt and Munich areas of Germany for
>business in April and would like suggestions on good stores to
>locate origami and artisan papers.

Get in touch with Viereck Verlag (based just outside Munich) - it's run
by Silke Schroder of Origami Deutschland. You can fax her on 08161 41785

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:54:45 -0400 (AST)
From: joel@exc.com (Dr. Joel M. Hoffman)
Subject: Fuse's MASK book

>I just received the book last week.  The models are incredible.  They are not

How did you get it?





Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:34:16 -0400 (AST)
From: LarryFinch <LarryFinch@aol.com>
Subject: HOTMAIL.COM [was: Re: a new home for origami-l?]

In a message dated 98-01-12 01:03:42 EST, you write:

> What does it mean when someone on our origami-L has the words hot mail after
>  his address.  Most of the time this is junk mail and I throw it out without
>  looking unless it is someone I know.
>  can someone enlighten me? Dorigami
>

Hotmail.com is an ISP that provides free email accounts. It is one of the
largest ISPs in the US. The service is supported by advertising directed at
its subscribers. You see more junk mail from hotmail.com simply because it has
more users than most other ISPs. But most of the users of hotmail are honest,
hard-working people just like the rest of us ;-).

Larry





Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:47:40 -0400 (AST)
From: "Metzger, Jacob" <JMetzger@citgroup.com>
Subject: RE:  new home for origami-l?

On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Joseph Wu wrote:
> So you would rather deal with all of the "How do I unsubscribe?"
> messages than have a single line pointer at the end of each message?

On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Sebastian Marius Kirsch wrote:
>Yes, definitively. This may be a personal idiosyncrasy, but I believe
that
>a listserver should not alter the contents of a message in any way, and
>should try to pass it on as verbatim as possible.

On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Brian Cox wrote
>Greetings to the group
>Could someone please explain how to set to digest
>
>thanks

Here's a suggestion:

Let DIGEST format be the default for all NEW subscribers (which should
cut down on the "Help! I'm being swamped by XX pieces of e-mail messages
from you wild and crazy paper folders" posts) and include
subscribe/unsubscribe/archive/digest info as a footer to each digest.
This is how other high volume lists operate.

Yaacov Metzger
jmetzger@citgroup.com





Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:18:41 -0400 (AST)
From: Bruce Stephens <B.Stephens@isode.com>
Subject: Re: HOTMAIL.COM [was: Re: a new home for origami-l?]

LarryFinch@aol.com said:
> You see more junk mail from hotmail.com simply because it has more
> users than most other ISPs.

A slight clarification.  I see lots of junk mail claiming to be from hotmail,
aol and juno.  Looking at the headers, none of it *actually* came from these
sites at all.  They're just common address that spammers often use.

If you use a programmable filter, a good way of dealing with this is to filter
stuff you know you want to read (so filter origami-l things, other mailing
lists, and individuals), and then you can be reasonably sure that things
claiming to be from hotmail, etc., amongst what's left are junk.





Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:31:09 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Re: Business-card origami?

I've been doing a lot of business card origami over the last three
years, and so have a few other folders I know.  There are a few
traditional designs that people make, and I and Valerie Vann have
invented dozens more.  Marcia Mau, Ken Kawamura and Bill Dollar also
have some original designs.  Unfortunately, almost none of these have
been published yet, although I have occasionally sent text plus
ascii-art descriptions of a few to the list.  I may be putting these
up on my web site soon.  Valerie and I vaguely plan to write a book,
but it a good ways off yet.

Someone also asked about a design you could make from a pizza box.
Larry Biederman has a model of the famous "Butterfly Ball" made from
Domino's Pizza boxes.  He talked a store (well, corporate
headquarters, actually) out of some unused boxes, because the used
ones tend to be greasy.

        -- Jeannine Mosely





Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:26:14 -0400 (AST)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: HOTMAIL.COM [was: Re: a new home for origami-l?]

As Bruce says, much of the junk mail purporting to be from
members of the major service providers is using counterfeit
or "spoofed" return addresses. As a matter of fact, if you
do get junk mail from an identifiably genuine address at
aol.com, compuserve.com, or many other major providers, send
it to the provider with a complaint: many, including aol now
make it a violation of the terms of service to use an account
to send unsolicited bulk email. AOL and Compuserve are in a
running battle (cyber and legal) with the junk mailers who
counterfeit their systems' addresses.

valerie





Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:49:29 -0400 (AST)
From: James Fowler High School Library <fowlerj1@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: a new home for origami-l?

Hotmail is a free email provider, which many of the students in my school use to
have an email address. There are other free providers including one called
Rocketmail. Presumably someone with a Hotmail address is equally welcome to be a
subscriber to Orgiami-l. The difference is of course that if you are a hotmail
subscriber you are subject to the whims of advertisers. FREE is a relative term
here, I guess.

Nigel Pottle

DORIGAMI wrote:

> What does it mean when someone on our origami-L has the words hot mail after
> his address.  Most of the time this is junk mail and I throw it out without
> looking unless it is someone I know.
> can someone enlighten me?





Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:28:12 -0400 (AST)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: A suggestion for teachers

A suggestion for those of you who teach origami, whether your own models
or other people's designs:

Have your students take a minute after finishing the model to write on
the model:

"Designed by ---------" and "Folded by (their name)" and the date.

Then when they show/teach someone else, have their students do the same,
even if they *do* have diagrams.

As somebody said (Woody Allen?), "Its deja vu all over again"; as with
the business card cuboctahedron, I'm hearing from people all over the
world about this "neat cube that turns into a rose" that they learned
from someone in the UK who learned it from an Australian who got it at
the Italian Convention, and they're finally finding out whose model it
is...

Valerie Vann
valerie_vann@compuserve.com
Mostly Modular Origami page:
  http://people.delphi.com/vvann/index.html
    Magic Rose Cube (photos, no diagrams yet)
    http://people.delphi.com/vvann/magicros.html





Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:35:02 -0400 (AST)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Business-card origami?

I have photos of quite a few business card modular designs on my
web site(s). As Jeannine says, nothing is "published". We taught a
workshop at PCOC (Pacific Coast Origami Conference), so there are
a few people around who know how to make some of our models, and
Jeannine taught separate classes at PCOC, and previous OUSA
conventions. You might check to see if there is an origami group
in your area, and if anyone knows biz card models.

My web pages have rudimentary diagrams for two models, but I'd
recommend that you have modular origami experience
before trying either of those.

You'll have to drill down through the links on my top AOL.com page to
find the business card layers:

Valerie Vann
valerie_vann@compuserve.com
Mostly Modular/Geometric Origami Web Pages:
http://people.delphi.com/vvann/index.html
http://members.aol.com/valerivann/index.html
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/valerie_vann





Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:06:18 -0400 (AST)
From: reeds@openix.com (Reeds Family)
Subject: Origami sighting, sort of

Check out the last page of the Jan 5 New Yorker (cover has an elegant
couple ascending a grand staircase amid the debris of a New Year's party).

The 3rd item in Christopher Buckley's satirical piece, "1998: The Year in
Headlines," announces:

        NEW YORK TIMES TO PUBLISH ORIGAMI SECTIONS IN EFFORT TO MAKE IT
'EVEN HARDER' ON READERS

(To non-readers of the NY Times, this is a dig at the NYTimes's decision
this past year to publish the paper in many more sections, making it much
harder to hang on to and read in the subway.)

Karen
reeds@openix.com





Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:53:28 -0400 (AST)
From: RA Kennedy <kennedra@isdugp.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Busines cards, etc - metro

> At one time there was a book (pr booklet) about origami with train
> tickets (or airplane ticket stubs). It may have been from France I
> think. Is that book  still available somewhere?

The booklet is called 'Le ticket plie'. It is published by the french
origami society Mouvement Francais de Papier Plie (MFPP). The models
are folded from Paris metro tickets, many make use of the distinctive
brown stripe on a yellow background of the tickets. The book comes
with a small supply of tickets. I'm not sure if this booklet is still
available. A suggestion would be to place your enquiry with the french
origami email list. Sorry, I can't recall their address.

Richard K
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:07:04 -0400 (AST)
From: DonnaJowal <DonnaJowal@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Busines cards, etc

There is a book on folding Metro tickets, i.e., the Paris subway, published by
MFPP.  It was a available from OUSA, don't know if it still is.

Donna Walcavage





Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:31:50 -0400 (AST)
From: DonnaJowal <DonnaJowal@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  deja vu

It was Yogi Berra who said "It's deja vu all over again."  At least I think
so.

Donna





Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:23:34 -0400 (AST)
From: Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@aloha.net>
Subject: Re: A suggestion for teachers

Valerie,
        I looked at your rose and it is gorgeous.  You are to be congratulated
for such an awesome creation.  I just spoke to Marcia Mau when she came
by my booth in Hawaii.  She told me she happen to make one for a
stewardess on the plane and ended up making your rose for 4 hours on the
plane making them for all the stewardesses upon their request.  I can
see why...its magnificent.  I can't wait for you to put it in a book.
Please advertize it on the net.    Aloha, Jan
--
<http://www.gotomymall.com/hawaii/origami/>
Origami by Jan website...the Fodor folder





Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:10:06 -0400 (AST)
From: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Marius Kirsch)
Subject: RE:  new home for origami-l?

On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, Metzger, Jacob wrote:
> Let DIGEST format be the default for all NEW subscribers (which should
> cut down on the "Help! I'm being swamped by XX pieces of e-mail messages
> from you wild and crazy paper folders" posts)

.. which would greatly increase the number of postings with subject line
"Digest xxx", where the whole digest is quoted just to reply to one single
message. (Or, even more probably, you'll have quite a number of postings,
where there is one single line "Please take me off this list", and a quote
of the whole digest.)

> and include subscribe/unsubscribe/archive/digest info as a footer to
> each digest.

Provided that any would-be unsubscribers even read on to the end of the
digest. And even if they read on, that doesn't mean that they will read
the footer, and much less do what it tells them. Judging from my
experience in several newsgroups, you can post an FAQ as often as you
like, you can post as many pointers as you want, there will always be
enough people to ignore them all and post to the whole newsgroup anyway.

Yours, Sebastian                                       skirsch@t-online.de
                        /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:21:05 -0400 (AST)
From: "Sonia Wu (NC)" <swu@virtu.sar.usf.edu>
Subject: Re:  Nigel Pottle's Teaching Origami Question

Nigel,

I don't have lots of experience in this, but I've taught a few sessions at
the local hands-on science center for kids.  For these, the first thing is
to pick a model that is relatively simple yet interesting.  So
far the kids and I have done Kasahara's peacock from Origami Made Easy,
a fairly simple Yoshizawa butterfly from one of Paul Jackson's books, and
Steve Biddle's penguin (modified slightly for a better defined beak)
from Amazing Origami for Children.  It's a simple format--I talk about the
animal's life cycle, habitat, and so forth.  Engage them by asking if they
know the answers to some basic questions (what do penguins eat, what eats
penguins).  Do a quick oral "quiz" to see that they've absorbed some of
the main points.  Then a short talk on origami (comes from Japan, means
fold paper) and who designed the model. Then show on a large piece of
paper how to fold it, after which we go through together step-by-step. I
don't know what it would be like to teach just adults (in my groups, many
of the parents try to fold it for their kids, though I try to discourage
this and try to encourage the kids by praising them for their own
efforts).  I give them leftover paper and sheets of instructions to take
home (those instruction sheets that come in packs of paper).

Since the center encourages recycling (and so that all kids get the same
kind of paper) we use wrapping paper which I cut into largish squares (at
least 7 inches).  Perhaps a good project would be to make a colony of
Biddle penguins of various sizes (some black and white adults, some
greyish baies) and group them in various ways--in the nursery "creche,"
swimming, feeding chicks and so on.  This would probably work flat or as a
diorama.  They could fold fish and seals as well....

Hope this is helpful.

Sonia Wu
(Florida)





Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:34:57 -0400 (AST)
From: Douglas Zander <dzander@solaria.sol.net>
Subject: Re: Pizza box origami

>
> Someone also asked about a design you could make from a pizza box.
> <snip>

 I think possibly this request was a joke.  Here in America there was a
 (famous) commercial that went something like, the customer asked a goofy
 pizza clerk what he was to do with a pizza box and the pizza clerk quickly
 manipulated the box into a pterydoctal and replied, "Have you ever heard of
 origami?"  It was rather funny.  Anyways, I took the request as a joke,
 "So, can anything really be made out of a pizza box?"  I guess you just had
 to have seen the commercial to understand.  I am sorry if I am mistaken.
 Does anyone remember this commercial?   What pizza chain was it for?





Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:46:50 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ultranet.ca>
Subject: Re: Pizza box origami

> I think possibly this request was a joke.  Here in America there was a
> (famous) commercial that went something like, the customer asked a goofy
> pizza clerk what he was to do with a pizza box and the pizza clerk quickly
> manipulated the box into a pterydoctal and replied, "Have you ever heard of
> origami?"  It was rather funny.  Anyways, I took the request as a joke,
> "So, can anything really be made out of a pizza box?"  I guess you just had
> to have seen the commercial to understand.  I am sorry if I am mistaken.
> Does anyone remember this commercial?   What pizza chain was it for?

I remember that commercial. I forget the company, though (Domino's?
Godfather's?). Anyway, I found it a bit annoying since (a) it wasn't a real
origami pterodactyl, and (b) the clerk makes these really raucous
"caw-caw-caw" sounds as he pretends to fly the thing.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Producer, DNA Productions Inc.
t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: joseph@dna.bc.ca





Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:51:54 -0400 (AST)
From: Jaelle <jaelle1@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: deja vu

DonnaJowal wrote:

> It was Yogi Berra who said "It's deja vu all over again."  At least I think
> so.
>
> Donna

yep it was.

Gail





Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:45:16 -0400 (AST)
From: Maldon7929 <Maldon7929@aol.com>
Subject: Re: A new home for the list. (Casting my vote. SHORT)

My vote is cast for MIT.

I'm not comfortable with the new home being contingent on the success or
failure of a magazine.  Hosting the list is not proof of  commitment to the
origami community unless accompanied by a pledge for a given time frame.
(Maybe 3 to 5 years.)

With this exception I will do anything I can to support DNA's publication.

Maldon





Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:19:36 -0400 (AST)
From: orig@webtv.net (DON CONNELL)
Subject: Pizza box origami

There was a pizza commercial for Domino's where I think it was Bill
Murray who did the acting.

While I can understand the joke my question posed,  it was intended as a
serious question, I imagine it would be quite a challenge to really do
something with thick cardboard like that. I didn't know whether or not,
after the comercial, some creative folder actually tried and succeded in
making something. If so, what and how?





Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:26:55 -0400 (AST)
From: Chris Miller <chris@ori.net>
Subject: Re: Pizza box origami

I believe it was little caesers
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ultranet.ca>
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 2:09 AM
Subject: Re: Pizza box origami

>> I think possibly this request was a joke.  Here in America there was a
>> (famous) commercial that went something like, the customer asked a goofy
>> pizza clerk what he was to do with a pizza box and the pizza clerk
quickly
>> manipulated the box into a pterydoctal and replied, "Have you ever heard
of
>> origami?"  It was rather funny.  Anyways, I took the request as a joke,
>> "So, can anything really be made out of a pizza box?"  I guess you just
had
>> to have seen the commercial to understand.  I am sorry if I am mistaken.
>> Does anyone remember this commercial?   What pizza chain was it for?
>
>I remember that commercial. I forget the company, though (Domino's?
>Godfather's?). Anyway, I found it a bit annoying since (a) it wasn't a real
>origami pterodactyl, and (b) the clerk makes these really raucous
>"caw-caw-caw" sounds as he pretends to fly the thing.
>
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:33:51 -0400 (AST)
From: joel@exc.com (Dr. Joel M. Hoffman)
Subject: A suggestion for teachers

>       I looked at your rose and it is gorgeous.  You are to be congratulated
>for such an awesome creation.  I just spoke to Marcia Mau when she came
>by my booth in Hawaii.  She told me she happen to make one for a
>stewardess on the plane and ended up making your rose for 4 hours on the
>plane making them for all the stewardesses upon their request.  I can

Is there a way for the rest of us to see it, or even make it?





Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 02:27:46 -0400 (AST)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: A suggestion for teachers

Valerie,
At 13.28 12/1/1998 -0400, you wrote:

>As somebody said (Woody Allen?), "Its deja vu all over again"; as with
>the business card cuboctahedron, I'm hearing from people all over the
>world about this "neat cube that turns into a rose" that they learned
>from someone in the UK who learned it from an Australian who got it at
>the Italian Convention, and they're finally finding out whose model it
>is...

Yuk ! Jan Polish taught it at the Italian Convention and everybody was
fascinated by it. But we were all told immediately that it was yours.....
(BTW, compliments !)

Roberto
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 02:58:57 -0400 (AST)
From: Barbra0336 <Barbra0336@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  Cranes for Sue-some good news

Best wishes to Sue.  Thanks to Rachel for organizing the Cranes for Sue.  Mine
are in the mail tomorrow.  Barbra





Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 04:14:55 -0400 (AST)
From: "K.G.M. van Niekerk" <kirsti@sci.kun.nl>
Subject: Tea bags and books

Hi everyone,

normally I'm a lurker, but I decided to jump into this one.
In the Netherlands a tea company brings out fruit tea with very
colorful tea bags around them. A dutch writer has written about
6 or 7 books about folding these tea bags. The models are usually
modular and quite simple. It is really easy to replace the tea bags
with 'plain' origami paper because the tea bags are cut into squares
(usually 5x5, 4x4, 3x3 cmxcm, about 2 to 1 inch).
I don't know the book you write about but I suppose the technique
is the same. You can get really beatiful results by combining different
kind of paper.

Kirsti
K.G.M. van Niekerk      Technische Zaken, B-fac, KUN
Toernooiveld 1   (+31 24) 3653217
6525 ED Nijmegen        e-mail: kirsti@sci.kun.nl
Nederland
