




Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:29:23 -0400 (AST)
From: Kenny1414 <Kenny1414@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Exposing Yourself

In a message dated 97-12-17 16:56:01 EST, you write:

> Have any of you tried
>  this? Does it work? Where can you get it (invisible plasticizer) in the
>  U.S. and what would it be called in the US?

This sounds like Krylon or some similar spray-on lacquer product. I know
Krylon is used to protect art work, but I don't have any experience with it.

Kenneth Kawamura





Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:47:57 -0400 (AST)
From: Arlene Anderson <aanderso@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us>
Subject: Re: Exposing Yourself/Rice Ball story

Just curious-What is the cook making rice balls story?

On Thu, 18 Dec 1997, Sebastian Marius Kirsch wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Dec 1997, Jeff Kerwood wrote:
> > I am putting together a few exhibit pieces and am trying to make them as
> > perfect as possible. I haven't been folding very long and would greatly
> > appreciate any tips, about making models "look great", that you experienced
> > folders would take the time to pass my way.
>
> Hm, I wouldn't count myself as an "experienced folder" (I've been doing
> complex models for about two years now), but I'll answer anyway.
>
> > I am at the point where I can fold lots of things but they seldom look "Oh,
> > so perfect!" - and that's what I am striving for.
>
> I think that "perfect" folding, as regards the accuracy of the folds, is
> sometimes not so important. What's much more important is a life-like
> posture and the final sculpting. I often wet-fold animals from thick
> paper, where you simply can't be so accurate, and I find that they look
> much better than some model that is folded perfectly, but is simply flat
> from plain old kami.
>
> > I was watching a La Fosse video and noticed that he lays the entire
> > fold down before creasing it.
>
> That's what I would have advised you to do as well. I first try to "bend"
> the paper in the general direction of the crease, and then try to flatten
> it.
>
> > What I'm hoping for is that some of you good folders might listen to the
> > things you say to yourself when YOU are folding.
>
> I seldom talk with myself when I'm folding; usually I listen to some good
> music or a radio play.
>
> > "Make this crease a little 'loose' so I can do the reverse later."
>
> You should try to avoid reversing folds as much as possible, because every
> fold that is reversed will be less crisp. That means that I try to make
> petal folds, reverse folds, squash folds all without any precreasing.
>
> Re: Fudge factor -- I have heard about this as well, but I tend not to
> over-use it. I use something like a fudge factor when I have to thin a
> point, but not for other purposes (like concealing the back side of the
> paper that would otherwise shine through on the back etc.).
>
> Re: Soft creases vs. sharp creases -- I have the bad habit of making all
> creases as sharp as possible, using my fingernail; this probably comes
> from my experience with foil-backed papers which can be treated in any way
> without ripping. I am working on this, but it all takes time.
>
>
> I might add that there are only three things you can do to improve your
> folding: folding, more folding end even more folding. Try to practice as
> mich as possible; every model will make your folding better. I have
> progressed tremendously over the past few years. Today, I sometimes feel
> ashamed to give away (eg. for X-mas *<:-) ) some models I have made half a
> year ago; I feel like I ought to do better than that. And half a year from
> now, I'll probably feel like that about the models I am doing know.
>
> But even though I think that my folding is now pretty good, and that I
> have produced some lovely pieces, the opposite is true as well: I only
> have to look at some model folded by Herman van Goubergen or by Dave
> Brill, to feel utterly inferior; I feel like I will never be able to fold
> something like that, let alone create it! Sometimes it brings tears to my
> eyes to see what other people can create from one piece of paper. --
> That's what we non-creators have to put up with. :-/
>
> But perhaps it's like the story about the cook making rice balls: I guess
> that in ten years, I'll be reasonably good. Perhaps I simply lack
> patience, and all will come to me by itself if only I wait and practice.
>
> Yours, Sebastian                                        skirsch@t-online.de
>                          /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)
>
>
>

Arlene Anderson                aanderso@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us





Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:28:24 -0400 (AST)
From: Garrett Alley <garrett@infospace-inc.com>
Subject: Entertaining/Teaching children

Hello,

I'm de-lurking to ask for some advice. Like many of you, I'm bound to be
surrounded by children during these family holiday parties. I was wondering
which models you folks would recommend I fold to entertain the children.
I'd like to keep it simple, using models that I can teach them to fold for
themselves. These don't necessarily have to be of a holiday theme, either.

Any suggestions would be intensely appreciated!

Thanks,

Garrett

(fingers tired from folding dozens of Fuse's octagon-star-thingies to use
as tags on gifts...)





Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:59:26 -0400 (AST)
From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@fantasyfarm.com>
Subject: Gift boxes in precise sizes

I've been going through my collection of 'box' books and I'm a little
dismayed: I can't find a -single- model for a "scalable" box.  Does anyone
know of any model-plan for a rectangular box given the requirements for
length/width/height?  [obviously that'll result in needing paper of an odd
size and shape, but that's OK: I figured I'd cut the paper for the box out
of a roll of wrapping paper and so I'd end up with a "pre wrapped"
present].

Thanks!
  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:02:44 -0400 (AST)
From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com>
Subject: Digest 936

The listserv decided to unsubscribe me from the list.  I was able to
use a trick to recover some of the mail I missed by setting my mail
to digest. (Doing this means that I'll get all the messages compiled
into the current unsent digest.) But the messages in "digest 937"
refer to some earlier messages I missed & would like to read.

Would someone who gets mail in digest form be willing to forward
digest 936 to me? Thanks muchly!

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:24:17 -0400 (AST)
From: GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU
Subject: RE: Entertaining/Teaching children

I've had a lot of fun teaching a fold from Flory Temko's "For your eyes
only, 13 ways to fold a secret note". The first fold in the book is
pretty simple and the kids like the idea of a secret note (as opposed
to a letter fold). It's seasonal too as a holiday card.

It also uses readily available rectangular xerox paper.

1. Fold long edges together and open
2. Fold long edges to center crease and leave folded
3. At one end, fold corners down to make a point (house roof)
4. Fold end opposite point up to the edge under the corners you folded
   down in step 3
5. Fold the point down so that fold goes under the corners (or house roof)
6. The paper is tube like. Lift up the point and tuck it in the other
   end of the tube.

Rona





Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:58:12 -0400 (AST)
From: "Thomas C. Hull" <tch@abyss.merrimack.edu>
Subject: Re:  1. Welcome to Robert Geretschlaeger.  2. Orimath Conferences.

Hi!  This is a reply to David Lister's comments on the
upcoming "Session" of origami-math talks at the 1998 Annual Meeting
of the AMS/MAA (the big math conference in the USA of the year).

David mentioned some names, like A. Sims and Ernst Blauenstein as
being at this conference.  I've never heard of these two people.
Perhaps they will be there, but they're not giving talks!

If anyone is interested in seeing who WILL be giving talks, there
is a list on the "Origami-Math Events" section of my web page:
     http://www.math.uri.edu/~hull/OMevents.html

David also queried:

>>>
To my disappointment, I understand that it is not
intended to publish the proceedings of the conference, but I hope that either
I am misinformed about this or that there will be a change of heart.
<<<

I chose to not create a proceedings of this Session for several
reasons.

(1) Most of the papers being presented at this one-day session of talks
have already been published, and I don't think I'd be able to get
permission to reprint them.  (At least not without paying copyright
fees!)  Other papers, like the Palmer/Conway one, are in the planning
stages of being published in actual Journals, and journals don't like
it when their authors give other people permission to publish their
papers.

(2) My main intention in organizing this Session was to expose
research in origami-math ** to the mathematical community **.  In
doing this I hope to galvanize interest among American mathematicians
and math educators for organizing the next Origami Science Meeting.
I've been told that the organizers of the 2nd such meeting (the one
in Otsu, Japan) would like the 3rd Meeting to be in America, but
right now there is very little awareness in the USA of the uses,
both pedegogical and research-wise, of origami.  Thus, as far as
a proceedings is concerned, I'd rather save my efforts and
people's papers for this 3rd Origami Science Meeting.

(3) There are many "Special Sessions" at this meeting.  Our session
on "Mathematical Methods in Paperfolding" is one of 21 such sessions.
At these big math conferences it is not the norm to publish a
proceedings for all such Special Sessions.  So I don't know if I'd
even be able to do this!  I certainly don't have any financual
backing, and I have no clue whether the AMS would consider it
worthy enough for them to publish.  Just getting them to approve my
proposal to run this Special Session was a long shot.

I don't agree with David's comment that "A
conference without proceedings is like a book without conversation or
pictures."  This Session will show to the mathematical community
a little bit of what has been going on in origami-math research.
>From such conferences develop collaborations, ideas for further
research, and inter-personal networks that can lead to great things.
I'm just excited about getting some of the people studying paperfolding,
in the math community like Jean Pedersen and Patrick Morton, together
with those of us in the origami community, like Robert Lang and
Jeannine Mosely.  I'm hoping that the interaction will spawn many
new ideas and further the cause.  In itself, this is a worthy
goal.

Perhaps I'll be pressured to produce a proceedings of some sort.
Right now I don't have much inclination to do so, and even less time!

----- Tom "folding with zero Gaussian curvature" Hull





Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:00:09 -0400 (AST)
From: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Marius Kirsch)
Subject: Re: Exposing Yourself/Rice Ball story

On Thu, 18 Dec 1997, Arlene Anderson wrote:
> Just curious-What is the cook making rice balls story?

The story is told in Peter Engel's _Folding_the_Universe_ (which explains
why I know it as well) and runs as follows:

"One sushi cook informed me that as the apprentice to a master chef, he
head spent fifteen years washing dishes and sweeping floors before he was
even allowed to make the sushi rice ball. Now, after fifteen years of
preparing rice balls, he considers himself barely proficient. 'I think in
maybe ten more years I will be good,' he said."

It is in a paragraph about the Japanese approach towards learning an art.

Yours, Sebastian                                        skirsch@t-online.de
                         /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:42:26 -0400 (AST)
From: ladyada@tiac.net (joyce saler)
Subject: Re: Gift boxes in precise sizes

Bernie
Both Tomoko Fuse in "Joyful Boxes" and Gail Gross in "The Art of Origami"
discuss scalable boxes. The trick apparently is to vary the height of the
side which in turn extends or diminishes the width of the base. For the
Masu box, this height/width relationship is measured from the center line.
If you wish to make a deeper box you fold each edge beyond the center line
on each side; if you wish to make a  wider box, you leave some space
between the cupboard fold (which becomes the side)  and the center line.
These side folds, of course, are consistent for all four sides. Your series
of scalable  boxes results from the  gradual application of these
adjustments.

If you want more precise directions, tell me.

Joyce Saler





Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:49:06 -0400 (AST)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: Digest 936

Lisa,

If you ftp to the listserver host site (NOT the rug.nl archive)
at ftp.nstn.ca, go into the listserv directory, find the
origami-L directory:

You will find all the current month's messages in a single
ASCII text file. Previous months messages are archived in
a compressed form (.TAR as I recall). Utilities to read
the compression format are widely available on the public
ftp freeware sites.

The list server adds to the current month file here almost
immediately, whereas the message archive at rug.nl is done
once a month at the end of the month.

valerie





Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:04:33 -0400 (AST)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: Gift boxes in precise sizes

Bernie,

It is fairly easy to adapt the method of the traditional
"measuring box" (shallow box made from a square) to
most rectangular box sizes; the main restriction is that
the narrow dimension of the bottom ("footprint") of the
box be something over twice the depth.

The size of rectangle would be
footprint width plus 4 times depth
by
footprint length plus 4 times depth.

A cover would have a slightly bigger footprint both ways,
and about a 4/5ths or 3/4ths depth.

I'll see if I can cobble together an ASCII diagram or simple
graphic tonight or tomorrow.

You'd have to use some fairly substantial paper though it
seems to me unless you're just doing small boxes with pretty
light weight contents...

valerie_vann@compuserve.com





Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:11:18 -0400 (AST)
From: Garrett Alley <garrett@infospace-inc.com>
Subject: RE: Entertaining/Teaching children

Great! That's exactly the type of thing I'm interested in.

This reminds me of the first model I learned: The waterbomb. This has
probably been discussed to death, but I wonder what most people learn as
the first model...

Thanks,

Garrett

At 01:24 PM 12/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>I've had a lot of fun teaching a fold from Flory Temko's "For your eyes
>only, 13 ways to fold a secret note". The first fold in the book is
>pretty simple and the kids like the idea of a secret note (as opposed
>to a letter fold). It's seasonal too as a holiday card.
>
>It also uses readily available rectangular xerox paper.
>
>1. Fold long edges together and open
>2. Fold long edges to center crease and leave folded
>3. At one end, fold corners down to make a point (house roof)
>4. Fold end opposite point up to the edge under the corners you folded
>   down in step 3
>5. Fold the point down so that fold goes under the corners (or house roof)
>6. The paper is tube like. Lift up the point and tuck it in the other
>   end of the tube.
>
>Rona





Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:51:31 -0400 (AST)
From: jaelle <jaelle1@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: Entertaining/Teaching children

Garrett Alley wrote:

> Great! That's exactly the type of thing I'm
> interested in.
>
> This reminds me of the first model I learned:
> The waterbomb. This has
> probably been discussed to death, but I wonder
> what most people learn as
> the first model...

My first model was a flapping bird.

And for entertaining children ... (I raised 8 of
them .. single parent )

I used to teach them to fold a ring with a dollar
... they like money you know.
Now they fold them with twentys instead of ones.

Also the jumping frog is great with children ...
mine used to have frog races
and the winner got a an extra cookie after dinner.

and of course the flapping bird .. they like when
the wings move.

My kids have been floding since they were all 4 to
5 years old.
Youngest is 25 now and they all are teaching thier
kids to fold now
to.

Happy Yule Season
Gail





Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:16:10 -0400 (AST)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: Origins of Paper

David,
At 12.31 14/12/1997 -0400, you wrote:
<......SNIP......>

> As always, I shall welcome your correction of my errors and I shall be very
> grateful for any new information which anyone can supply which will add to our
> understaning of the origins of paper for whatever purpose it was invented (or
> evolved).

I can recommend a big Dover paperback (over 600 pages), if still in print:
"PAPERMAKING - The history and technique of an ancient craft" by Dard Hunter
(Dover Publications, 1978). The first page offers a pearl of wisdom:

RAGS make paper
PAPER makes money
MONEY makes banks
BANKS make loans
LOANS make beggars
BEGGARS make
           RAGS.

Roberto
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:16:46 -0400 (AST)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: NOR: Formatted E-Mail

Valerie,
At 16.36 17/12/1997 -0400, you wrote:

<....SNIP....>
>So if you are using one of the newer versions of Netscape,
>MSMail, MSExplorer, AOL etc. that can do fancy email, please,
>please set it to send plain ASCII before posting to the
>origami-L or sending E-Mail to people who are not necessarily
>using one of these fancy E-Mail programs.
>
>And while you're at it, please set your
>E-Mail program *not* to quote the entire message you're
>responding to

Many thanks for your clear and careful (as usual !) info's about some of the
technical intricacies of computing and Internet. Needless to say, I
unconditionally agree with your plea for simplifying things on this list,
and for a general respect of Netiquette.

Again: please, please NO postings which are not plain ASCII ! >:-(
       please, please NO unnecessary quoting >%-#
       please
       pleas
       plea
       ple
       pl
       p

<:-) <:-) <:-)

Roberto
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Via Palestro 11           |  Please DON'T quote my full
51100 PISTOIA             |  message in reply... I KNOW
ITALY                     |  what I have written ! :-)
tel & fax (+)39-573-20436 |
E-mail <morassi@zen.it>   |





Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 20:05:43 -0400 (AST)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: Exposing Yourself/Rice Ball story

Arlene,
At 11.48 18/12/1997 -0400, you wrote:

>Just curious-What is the cook making rice balls story?

THIS is your OWN message (one line). Which was followed by a useless quoting
of a full message by Sebastian Kirsch (56 lines !!!!) >:-C
That's precisely what we call "overquoting", and make us wonder why people
often seem to be totally lacking common sense.... And I'm afraid that things
like these will eventually push me to unsubscribe from this list, much to my
regret...

Sorry, nothing personal. I'm just a bit tired.

Roberto

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        ( o o )
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Via Palestro 11           |  Please DON'T quote my full
51100 PISTOIA             |  message in reply... I KNOW
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tel & fax (+)39-573-20436 |
E-mail <morassi@zen.it>   |





Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 20:06:34 -0400 (AST)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: Digest 936

Valerie,
At 16.49 18/12/1997 -0400, you wrote:

>You will find all the current month's messages in a single
>ASCII text file. Previous months messages are archived in
>a compressed form (.TAR as I recall). Utilities to read
>the compression format are widely available on the public
>ftp freeware sites.

I posted the same suggestion some months ago. It may be useful to repeat
here some hints about retrieving and decompressing the message files from
the listserver:

(2) You will see that all the messages are grouped monthly in
Unix-compressed files named yy-mm.z (for instance, the file 97-07.z contains
all the messages sent in July, 97) except those of the current month which
are not yet compressed and thus have no extension (97-08).

(3) If you want just the current month messages, simply download the file -
it is plain text.

(4) Otherwise, you can download the Z-compressed files and then uncompress
them. Recent releases of Winzip can do this, or...

(5) .... you can download the decompressor from the same site. Change dir to
./pub/pc-stuff/compression, and download the file tar_z.zip (or from the
browser, ftp://ftp.nstn.ca/pub/pc-stuff/compression/tar_z.zip). Unzip this
file to get tar.exe + uncomp.exe. Use the latter program from the DOS
prompt, e.g. uncomp <path>97.07.z, and it's all done.... :-)

Roberto
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        ( o o )
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Roberto Morassi           |
Via Palestro 11           |  Please DON'T quote my full
51100 PISTOIA             |  message in reply... I KNOW
ITALY                     |  what I have written ! :-)
tel & fax (+)39-573-20436 |
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 20:06:53 -0400 (AST)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: One less female folder

Kim,
At 22.47 17/12/1997 -0400, you wrote:

>Hey Jorma!  Maybe you,  Laurie Bisman, and myself, should form a new
>self-help group,.  "Male Paperfolders that others always assume are
>female."

You can add a famous fellow, Kunihiko Kasahara, who is often believed to be
a female because of his name ending in "ko".....

Roberto
         _\|/_
        ( o o )
=====-oOO-(_)-OOo-========+
Roberto Morassi           |
Via Palestro 11           |  Please DON'T quote my full
51100 PISTOIA             |  message in reply... I KNOW
ITALY                     |  what I have written ! :-)
tel & fax (+)39-573-20436 |
E-mail <morassi@zen.it>   |





Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 20:07:10 -0400 (AST)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: My cutting guide

To all those who may be interested in my cutting guide (see previous postings).

A _limited_ number of copies of this are still available from me at US$10
for ordinary airmail, or $13 for registered airmail. Full instructions for
assembling and use are included. Sending cash is the simplest and cheapest way.

Look here to see how it works:

ftp://ftp.chim1.unifi.it/pub/uploads/rmtemp/guide.gif

Roberto

         _\|/_
        ( o o )
=====-oOO-(_)-OOo-========+
Roberto Morassi           |
Via Palestro 11           |  Please DON'T quote my full
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ITALY                     |  what I have written ! :-)
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 20:26:02 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ultranet.ca>
Subject: Re: One less female folder

>You can add a famous fellow, Kunihiko Kasahara, who is often believed to be
>a female because of his name ending in "ko".....

Of course, anyone who knows a bit of Japanese can tell you that most names
ending in "ko" are female names, but names ending in "hiko" are male
names...

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Producer, DNA Productions Inc.
t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: joseph@dna.bc.ca





Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 20:44:44 -0400 (AST)
From: rick@tridelta.com (Rick Bissell)
Subject: Re: Entertaining/Teaching children

>I was wondering
>which models you folks would recommend I fold to entertain the children.

The "cootie-catcher" aka "fortune teller" is an old standby that is super
easy to learn and fold.  You can also take the same base and make a couple
hand puppets out of it - if you can get your hands on "Folding Paper
Puppets" by Shari Lewis / Lillian Oppenheimer it has the diagrams and some
others that you might be interested in.

I would shy away from models like the paper banger and paper airplanes for
obvious reasons !

--Rick





Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 21:03:18 -0400 (AST)
From: Eric Eros <eros@mohawk.engr.sgi.com>
Subject: Re: Exposing Yourself/Rice Ball story

> ...and make us wonder why people often seem to be totally lacking
> common sense...

I believe that Mark Twain said that there is nothing so UNcommon as
common sense.

--
Eric Eros





Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 21:30:48 -0400 (AST)
From: pat slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: Re: folding techniques (was Exposing Yourself)

Excuse me if this has been said before (haven't read all my backlog
of email), but I can't resist adding in my two cents worth....

> > I am at the point where I can fold lots of things but they seldom look "Oh,
> > so perfect!" - and that's what I am striving for.

Can't say I have ever had a "perfect" model --an elusive goal
methinks. I think though that except for lucky days, most of my best
models are those that I have folded multiple times. I think
that it takes multiple attempts at a model to be able to fold
it neatly and then to take it beyond that to add those touches that
make it have some personality. If you really want a "perfect" model,
just fold it over and over and eventually you will "learn" all its
quirks. At least that is the theory :->. Rare for me to fold anything
respectable unless I have done it at least three times (not counting
the simple stuff).

Oh, and if it still doesn't look perfect, try a different paper!
Sometimes I work on a model that just won't come out no matter what I
do. Then I switch to some paper with a different character and
achieve the results I want.And I would point out that poor quality
paper rarely makes nice models.

> > I was watching a La Fosse video and noticed that he lays the entire
> > fold down before creasing it.
>
> That's what I would have advised you to do as well.

...and Yoshizawa makes you fold in the air...and Paul Jackson says
that you should fold "left to right," or was that "right to left?" At
this point  (I've only a few years of experience but they have been
very intense years :->) I would say that folding technique is quite
variable and personal too. Try all the methods and discover which
works best and with what paper, etc..

For most beginners who are looking for guidance, I would agree
with past postings that one gets improved precision with folding on a
table away from their body, but I think as you get comfortable with
paper, that some creases are much easier and neater to do in the air.
And sometimes I find it easier to go "left to right" too :->.

Hmmm....in general, I prefer to fold smaller pieces of paper in the
air, large on a table. Detail and judgement creases in the air.

(I recently discovered for myself that if I am folding with
sidelighting, i.e. from a desk lamp, when I have the paper in the
air, I can see the crease as a line of light before I put it in.
This works great when putting in some of those point A to point B
creases.)

>
> I might add that there are only three things you can do to improve your
> folding: folding, more folding end even more folding.
.
.
.
>And half a year from
> now, I'll probably feel like that about the models I am doing know.

Ditto! And it is certainly rewarding to see yourself progress.

Splashing personal opinions about again, but, oh, it is fun for a
moment....

pat slider.
slider@stonecutter.com

slider@stonecutter.com
stonecutter design
5320 Hwy 49N #2
mariposa, Ca 95338





Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 01:27:31 -0400 (AST)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Digest 936

I always go to the listserver ftp
message archive now when I get kicked
off the list. As Roberto says,
the TAR decompression utility is
easy to obtain.
valerie





Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 02:42:43 -0400 (AST)
From: Kerry Koerbling <zenaugie@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Error Condition Re: Re: Removal from list

Please please please please please please please please please please
please remove my name from your list of email recipients.
thank you





Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 06:06:23 -0400 (AST)
From: S.Adriaanse@inter.NL.net (Sjaak Adriaanse)
Subject: Re: NOR: Formatted E-Mail

Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com> wrote:

>So if you are using one of the newer versions of Netscape,
>MSMail, MSExplorer, AOL etc. that can do fancy email, please,
>please set it to send plain ASCII before posting to the
>origami-L or sending E-Mail to people who are not necessarily
>using one of these fancy E-Mail programs.
>
>And while you're at it, please set your
>E-Mail program *not* to quote the entire message you're
>responding to, even if it already contains 14 previously
>quoted E-Mails and is several Kbytes long!
>

Hear, hear!! I couldn't agree more. Please think before you act.
(Another option is to EDIT OUT irrelevant parts of the original mail. Yes, that
     is possible!)

Sjaak Adriaanse
email: S.Adriaanse@inter.NL.net
----------------------------------
"Any sufficiently advanced political correctness is indistinguishable from
     irony."
Jane Hawkins





Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 07:40:27 -0400 (AST)
From: reeds@openix.com (Reeds Family)
Subject: RE: Entertaining/Teaching children

>I've had a lot of fun teaching a fold from Flory Temko's "For your eyes
>only, 13 ways to fold a secret note". The first fold in the book is
>pretty simple and the kids like the idea of a secret note (as opposed
>to a letter fold). It's seasonal too as a holiday card.
>
>It also uses readily available rectangular xerox paper.
>
>1. Fold long edges together and open
>2. Fold long edges to center crease and leave folded
>3. At one end, fold corners down to make a point (house roof)
>4. Fold end opposite point up to the edge under the corners you folded
>   down in step 3
>5. Fold the point down so that fold goes under the corners (or house roof)
>6. The paper is tube like. Lift up the point and tuck it in the other
>   end of the tube.
>
>Rona

Can you give the ref to rthe Temko book? Does Origami USA carry it? Even
though my kids don't share my passion for origami, they do like secret note
folds (and they even write letters on paper despite their love of email!).

Thanks
Karen
reeds@openix.com





Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:49:59 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: Exposing Yourself

----------
> From: DLister891 <DLister891@aol.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject: Re: Exposing Yourself
> Date: Wednesday, December 17, 1997 8:22 AM
>
> Have you remembered the "fudge factor"? ... One of the best-known
> instnces is in folding the classic
> crane so as to obtain a perfectly sharp tail and beak.

I did know about this one. But it leads me to a very similar problem that I
haven't figured out how to deal with - "creep" (a term I heard from D'gou).

The outside layer of paper in a fold having a wider turning radius than the
inner layer of paper makes the free (usually) edges misalign. I recently
found this irksome folding Biddles Santa, "creep" causing white edges to
show throughout the finished model. Maybe they are supposed to be there,
I'm not sure. Is it seen as an imperfectly folded model if the white
shows (artistic judgement answers here I suppose but how would good folders
rate a "white showing" Santa against one that was all red)? Anyway, to
speak towards technique - how would I get rid of the white if I wanted to?

Another example of this is the "Spiral" from one of the Fuse spiral books
(ISBN 4-480-87262-0 page 13). Using standard color on one side white on the
other paper, my spiral arms always show white on the edges. If I ever fold
them for exhibit I would use paper with the same color on both sides. But I
shouldn't have to do that (should I?), I should be able to fold it with
color/white paper and not have the white showing - yes?
(later note: I have subsequesntly read D'gou's comment about Fuse's spiral
models in her book showing the wrong side of the paper but I still think
this is a valid question so I have left it unchanged).

Merry Christmas,
Jeff Kerwood
jkerwood@usaor.net

(Thanks David for taking the time to respond to my email. I do truly
appreciate your input).





Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:50:19 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: How many tries for a perfect model? (was Re: Exposing Yourself)

> From: A.Welles@student.kun.nl
> Subject: Re: How many tries for a perfect model? (was Re: Exposing
Yourself)
> Date: Wednesday, December 17, 1997 2:49 PM
>
===================
> <SNIP>  if we would fold a model by precreasing its crease
> pattern entirely, that would:
> a) take away the fun of folding (that's why I do not really like
> tessalations. It's nice to have done once and I thank Alex Bateman for
> showing this wonderful way of folding to me! But it's not my favourite
> kinda Origami).

(One clarification. The difference between precreasing and pre-embossing.
To me precreasing is using fingers, pre-embossing is using an embossing
stylus (and usually ruler) to "draw" the creases. I'm not sure if everyone
uses these terms this way or not so I'm not sure which you meant. I am no
good at precreasing (it ends up in a crumple), and thus don't care for it,
but I do like to pre-emboss.)

Oh my, we humans sure come in many flavors. I love to pre-emboss, for three
reasons:
a) once I figure out what I'm doing and it becomes rote it is just plain
relaxing for me
b) I love it when you just twist or bend the paper and lots of things
happen - that moment in time, for me, is fun
c) when, in life in general, I face a task I usually look for the hardest
element and do it first, then enjoy the ease and flow of things going
smooth and easy.

(side note: I do love tessellation's - both the final model and folding
them.)

====================
> b) It simply wouldn't work. Paper has a certain thickness that causes
> creases to be slight off of the place where they theoretically should be.

Now that I can't argue with. I wouldn't pre-emboss to the point of
silliness - just when it'll make things easier or cleaner.

============

Thanks Arjan,
Jeff Kerwood (male)
jkerwood@usaor.net





Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:53:36 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@usaor.net>
Subject: Fuse Quilts - Photos

Over the past year (or at least it seems) I have mentioned that I was
making some Fuse Quilts for this years Christmas presents. A few of you
have asked to see pictures of them. Thanks (Very Much Thanks) to Valerie
Vann you can see some of them on her Mostly Modular web page
( http://people.delphi.com/vvann/jkerwood.html ).

I must say again - Thanks to Valerie - I sent her some mediocre pictures
and she did the rest, magically making them look good.

Not to take too much credit, I just picked the paper and folded it, Ms.
Fuse should really get the credit and our respect - what an origamist!!!

Merry Christmas,
Jeff Kerwood
jkerwood@usaor.net





Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 08:56:54 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: Exposing Yourself

Sorry to send this to the whole group but when I sent to private address
(below) it was rejected. I wanted to send this message to Jane but also
want her to know the folks might be having trouble with her address.

=====================================================

---------
> From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@.spacestar.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject: Re: Exposing Yourself
> Date: Thursday, December 18, 1997 8:18 AM
>
> John Montroll ... said something to
> the effect that not everyone had to be a creator, that there are
> composers and performers and that a person did not need to be both. Since

> I am a musician who composed only a few pieces back when I was a student,

> this statement really hit home (or should I say, struck a chord?).
>
> Jane
>
So true. I completely enjoy folding and have no desire to create. I too am
a musician (played classical guitar for 15 years) and never composed more
than a few folksy daubles.

Thank you for taking the time to share this.
Jeff Kerwood
jkerwood@usaor.net





Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 09:45:24 -0400 (AST)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Exposing Yourself

Jeff Kerwood, in response to David Lister's note about "fudge factors" (mmm,
I'd like mine with dark not milk chocolate please! but I digress...), indited:

+The outside layer of paper in a fold having a wider turning radius than the
+inner layer of paper makes the free (usually) edges misalign. I recently
+found this irksome folding Biddles Santa, "creep" causing white edges to
+show throughout the finished model.

I'm very curious to hear other opinions on this too.  My solutions seem
rather "off" and I suspect that perhaps I've missed the boat..

I use two techniques to counter "creep."

    If the model allows it, you can counteract the creep by folding the
inner layer(s) a bit short, so that when the multiple layer fold
happens they'll all line up again.  If there are several folds in a
section of multiple layers, you may have to adjust quite a bit before
starting the first one.
    The technique I use most often is to firmly hold the edges in
alignment before moving the paper to form the crease, and in addition
to using the multi-pass soft-...-hard technique to form the crease,
work the paper back from the aligned edges.  This forces the extra
paper from the "interior" layers to move back into the rest of the model.
Depending on the model, this either makes no difference or buckles something
else.

    -D'gou





Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:13:40 -0400 (AST)
From: Dennis Walker <d_and_m_walker@compuserve.com>
Subject: Please help with Robert Lang's Piano Player

Hello,

        I'm still stuck at diagram 40 of Robert Lang's 'Piano Player' from
'Complete Origami'.
        The problem is that the diagram says sink and the text says crimp?
Which is it? Also, do I sink/crimp all three identical triangles at that
point? Should I even have three identical triangles (left, right and
middle). If all three are to be sunk, do I then have to sink all 3 again
for step 41?

                Please help,

                                Frustratedly,
                                        Dennis Walker





Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 12:17:41 -0400 (AST)
From: Arlene Anderson <aanderso@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us>
Subject: Thanks/Exposing Yourself/Rice Ball story

Just a quick thanks for sharing the Rice Ball Story which I will try to
keep in mind!

Arlene Anderson                aanderso@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us





Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 14:07:27 -0400 (AST)
From: michael gebis <gebism@std.teradyne.com>
Subject: Re: Please help with Robert Lang's Piano Player

>>>>> "Dennis" == Dennis Walker <d_and_m_walker@compuserve.com>
>>>>> wrote the following on Fri, 19 Dec 1997 11:13:40 -0400 (AST)

  Dennis> Hello, I'm still stuck at diagram 40 of Robert Lang's 'Piano
  Dennis> Player' from 'Complete Origami'.

Please don't take the list's silence on this issue as rudeness or
an unwillingness to help.  It's just that nobody's ever gotten that
far before.





Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 15:23:25 -0400 (AST)
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <contract@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: Please help with Robert Lang's Piano Player

At 11:13 AM 12/19/97 -0400, you wrote:
>        I'm still stuck at diagram 40 of Robert Lang's 'Piano Player' from
>'Complete Origami'.
>        The problem is that the diagram says sink and the text says crimp?
>Which is it? Also, do I sink/crimp all three identical triangles at that
>point? Should I even have three identical triangles (left, right and
>middle). If all three are to be sunk, do I then have to sink all 3 again
>for step 41?

I did not think the following info would be too helpful, but here it goes.
The "sink" arrow on the diagram could have many meanings (it can be used
for reverse folds, sinks, squashes, and other situations). A crimp is
really a combination fold consisting of two reverse folds. In the "Piano
PLayer" model, distribute the layers as evenly as possible, and then
reverse in and then out along the existing creases.

Marc





Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 16:08:07 -0400 (AST)
From: Marcia Mau <maumoy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Disney origami paper

I visited the Japan Pavillion at EPCOT at Disney World in FL earlier
this week.  I was very disappointed to learn that Mitsukoshi has stopped
selling the Disney character origami paper.  I was told it was not a big
seller and had been marked down for clearance a few months ago.

Does anyone know if it is still available at Tokyo Disneyland,
EuroDisney or Disneyland?  I was able to find it once, several years
ago, at the Disney store in Tysons Corner, VA.

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com





Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 16:59:13 -0400 (AST)
From: reeds@openix.com (Reeds Family)
Subject: TAN Mexican bark paper

I am cross posting this announcement found on
exlibris@library.berkeley.edu  (a listserve for people interested in the
history of the book, antiquarian books, etc). The bilingual site has an
interesting bit of history of Mexican papermaking from bark fibers,
pictures of the process today, and a way to order sheets of the stuff
(several colors available).

Karen
reeds@openix.com
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

From: Masahiro Yoshida <unico@instantmex.com>
Subject: Info on Bark, Caba, Amate or Amatl

Hello:

Al last the site is finish, here is (I hope) a good place for
information on the handmade traditional Mexican paper Bark, Caba, Amate
or Amatl. Please check it out, and be free to send any comment for
improvement,

http://www.mexportlink.instantmex.com/productos/amate

Best Wishes & Marry Xmas

Masahiro Yoshida
--
Unico de Mxico
Av. Revolucin 121 casa A
Col. Tacubaya cp 11850
Mxico, D.F.

tels/fax: (525) 273 9921
beeper: (525) 171 1468





Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:25:36 -0400 (AST)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: Disney origami paper

Kim's Cranes online store used to have
it listed on their web page; I haven't
looked recently.

valerie





Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:45:29 -0400 (AST)
From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@sci.fi>
Subject: Re: Exposing Yourself

On 18-Dec-97, Sebastian Marius Kirsch (skirsch@t-online.de) wrote:
>On Mon, 15 Dec 1997, Jeff Kerwood wrote:

>> What I'm hoping for is that some of you good folders might listen to the
>> things you say to yourself when YOU are folding.

>I seldom talk with myself when I'm folding; usually I listen to some good
>music or a radio play.

Listening to something is OK unless it breaks your concentration. TV
is clearly out of question -- except for folding modulars. I actually
prefer having something to listen, as any sudden noise is much easier

>Re: Soft creases vs. sharp creases -- I have the bad habit of making all
>creases as sharp as possible, using my fingernail; this probably comes
>from my experience with foil-backed papers which can be treated in any way
>without ripping. I am working on this, but it all takes time.

More wet-folding should cure that.

>Today, I sometimes feel
>ashamed to give away (eg. for X-mas *<:-) ) some models I have made half a
>year ago; I feel like I ought to do better than that. And half a year from
>now, I'll probably feel like that about the models I am doing know.

You have six months old models to give away? I give them away almost
faster than I fold them which makes putting up an exhibit slightly
troublesome :)

>But even though I think that my folding is now pretty good, and that I
>have produced some lovely pieces, the opposite is true as well: I only
>have to look at some model folded by Herman van Goubergen or by Dave
>Brill, to feel utterly inferior; I feel like I will never be able to fold
>something like that, let alone create it! Sometimes it brings tears to my
>eyes to see what other people can create from one piece of paper. --
>That's what we non-creators have to put up with. :-/

Not-yet-creators! I'm not-yet-almost-everything, most notably not-yet-
millionaire, not-yet-famous and not-yet-handsome.

Jorma, wishing you all
Rauhallista Joulua ja Onnellista Uutta Vuotta!





Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 17:46:00 -0400 (AST)
From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@sci.fi>
Subject: Re: Entertaining/Teaching children

On 18-Dec-97, Garrett Alley (garrett@infospace-inc.com) wrote:
>Hello,

>I'm de-lurking to ask for some advice. Like many of you, I'm bound to be
>surrounded by children during these family holiday parties. I was wondering
>which models you folks would recommend I fold to entertain the children.
>I'd like to keep it simple, using models that I can teach them to fold for
>themselves. These don't necessarily have to be of a holiday theme, either.

>Any suggestions would be intensely appreciated!

I know this might be a bit too late for this Christmas, but it's  a "good
thing (tm)" to own at least one beginner book to keep those lovely buggers
busy. I'm giving one to my niece in hope that she can't be too noisy when
she's folding. I fear that she starts folding 1 mm aluminium sheets with
mallet, just to irritate me, thought :)

Jorma "keep them away from me!" Oksanen





Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 18:01:28 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ultranet.ca>
Subject: Re: Exposing Yourself

>Listening to something is OK unless it breaks your concentration. TV
>is clearly out of question -- except for folding modulars. I actually
>prefer having something to listen, as any sudden noise is much easier
>to ignore. "Fire! Fire! House is on fire!" and I keep on folding :)

I actually do a lot of folding while watching TV, and sometimes even work
on new designs while watching. The scaled dragon was done in front of the
TV, for example. And, yes, the TV was on. 8)

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Producer, DNA Productions Inc.
t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: joseph@dna.bc.ca





Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 18:48:28 -0400 (AST)
From: "Nancy B. McNitt" <nbm@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Entertaining/Teaching children

My first model(s) were the hat/hat/sailboat. This can be found in the book,
"Curious George Rides a Bicycle". My mother tought these to me in the 1940's.
Glenn McNitt





Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 19:10:20 -0400 (AST)
From: Dennis Brannon <brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com>
Subject: RE: Exposing Yourself

>Listening to something is OK unless it breaks your concentration. TV
>is clearly out of question -- except for folding modulars.

I do most of my folding while watching TV.
Folding from memory, or just trying out variations on a model, work fine with
     TV.
So does folding memorized modulars.

> I actually
>prefer having something to listen, as any sudden noise is much easier
>to ignore. "Fire! Fire! House is on fire!" and I keep on folding :)

I prefer having something to listen too as well.  I tried cassette tapes but
     they don't
play long enough.  TV with a remote control to channel surf when it gets
     annoying
works well for me.

Learning a new model while watching TV can suffer from breaks in concentration,
but on American TV there are long stretches of commercials that can be
used as folding time.

dennis

--
Dennis Brannon
dennis.brannon@digital.com
Ayer, MA USA





Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 19:38:06 -0400 (AST)
From: "MARGARET M. BARBER" <mbarber@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu>
Subject: RE: Entertaining/Teaching children

Karen Reeds asked for a reference for the Florence Temko book on secret
folding.  I have just finished making "secret" envelopes for special Xmas
presents, and so have the book right in front of me.  It is
_For_Your_Eyes_Only_13_Ways_to_Fold_Notes.  ISBN : 0-87406-737-5. I got my
copy from OUSA Source, but did not see the book listed in the November,
1997 Origami Source list of books :+(  Hope this helps.
Peg Barber
mbarber@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu





Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 21:57:23 -0400 (AST)
From: John Sutter <sutterj@earthlink.net>
Subject: kirogami star from blintz base

Greetings to all on the list,

     I need help to replicate a star model that a teacher gave me.  It
should not be too hard to do,
but I am having trouble getting beyond the base.  It appears to start out
with a blintz fold.  It has
four long points and where the base is cut in four places between the longer
points four shorter wider
points are folded.  The points look like crane wings, almost.  Does anybody
out there have a diagram or
directions they could send me?

R. J. Sutter





Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 02:27:10 -0400 (AST)
From: RPlsmn <RPlsmn@aol.com>
Subject: Re: kirogami star from blintz base

You seem to be describing what I believe is decoration 1 or 2 from what I
remember as being Harbin's Secrets of Origami. I'm holding the model in my
hand, but can't for the life of me locate the book just now.  You open, crease
out, and squash the top corner of each blintz section, petal fold it, turn the
model over and fold each corner to the center, turn it over again and pinch
the 4 shorter inner points together while making the outer longer points 3
dimensional, if that helps.      -rgr-





Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 07:06:56 -0400 (AST)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: One less female folder

Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it> sez

> Kunihiko Kasahara, who is often believed to be
>a female because of his name ending in "ko".....

I met her & she is a woman! Honest!

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 07:16:46 -0400 (AST)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: Exposing Yourself

Jorma,
At 17.45 19/12/1997 -0400, you wrote:

>Not-yet-creators! I'm not-yet-almost-everything, most notably not-yet-
>millionaire, not-yet-famous and not-yet-handsome.

The first three points might improve, but I'm afraid you have little hope
with the last one ! Let us know if you succeed...... ;-)

Roberto
         _\|/_
        ( o o )
=====-oOO-(_)-OOo-========+
Roberto Morassi           |
Via Palestro 11           |  Please DON'T quote my full
51100 PISTOIA             |  message in reply... I KNOW
ITALY                     |  what I have written ! :-)
tel & fax (+)39-573-20436 |
E-mail <morassi@zen.it>   |





Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 07:20:08 -0400 (AST)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: Entertaining/Teaching children

Jorma,
At 17.46 19/12/1997 -0400, you wrote:

>I know this might be a bit too late for this Christmas, but it's  a "good
>thing (tm)" to own at least one beginner book to keep those lovely buggers
>busy. I'm giving one to my niece in hope that she can't be too noisy when
>she's folding.

Keeping a child silent when he/she is doing something is a hopeless
illusion, I'm afraid.... A temporary solution is giving him/her something to
eat, like cakes, chocolate and the like. But you can't do it all the times......

Roberto
         _\|/_
        ( o o )
=====-oOO-(_)-OOo-========+
Roberto Morassi           |
Via Palestro 11           |  Please DON'T quote my full
51100 PISTOIA             |  message in reply... I KNOW
ITALY                     |  what I have written ! :-)
tel & fax (+)39-573-20436 |
E-mail <morassi@zen.it>   |





Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 08:05:39 -0400 (AST)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Re: folding techniques (was Exposing Yourself)

The paper and size of paper really does make a big difference. Some
models look good with most papers/sizes/colors, and others need the
perfect match to look good. It's great fun to find the right paper!
But I am not sure about the quality; e.g. the model of a beggar would
look a bit strange if you used finest quality paper! Also, "quality" is
something you can define in different ways. I think hand-made paper
without any chemicals or artificial additives is the highest quality
paper; but there are only a very few people that produce this kind of
paper.

Matthias

pat slider wrote:
> Oh, and if it still doesn't look perfect, try a different paper!
(SNIP)
>And I would point out that poor quality
> paper rarely makes nice models.





Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 08:46:33 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: Exposing Yourself

> D'gou wrote:
>
> I use two techniques to counter "creep."
>
>     If the model allows it, you can counteract the creep by folding the
> inner layer(s) a bit short, so that when the multiple layer fold
> happens they'll all line up again.  If there are several folds in a
> section of multiple layers, you may have to adjust quite a bit before
> starting the first one.
Never would have thought of this one, thanks.

>     The technique I use most often is to firmly hold the edges in
> alignment before moving the paper to form the crease, and in addition
> to using the multi-pass soft-...-hard technique to form the crease,
> work the paper back from the aligned edges.  This forces the extra
> paper from the "interior" layers to move back into the rest of the model.
> Depending on the model, this either makes no difference or buckles
something
> else.
I do this but never really thought of easing the paper into the model, I
just "force" it and get crinkles around the inner fold.

Thanks,
Jeff





Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 08:58:58 -0400 (AST)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: (NO: Addressing e-mails)

The @.spacestar.net must be the problem. No dots after the @! I suppose
the correct address would be <jfrmpls@spacestar.net>

Matthias

Jeff Kerwood wrote:
> Sorry to send this to the whole group but when I sent to private address
> (below) it was rejected.
> > From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@.spacestar.net>





Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 09:17:23 -0400 (AST)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Re: TAN Mexican bark paper

Thanks for the information! I like hand-made paper, and this traditional
method seems to be chemical-free too.

Matthias





Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 09:21:01 -0400 (AST)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Re: One less female folder

Nick Robinson wrote about Kasahara:
> I met her & she is a woman! Honest!

Only in your dreams, Nick!





Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 09:27:27 -0400 (AST)
From: John Sutter <sutterj@earthlink.net>
Subject: paper quilts by Fuse

Holiday greetings,

I am doing an origami workshop with kids 9-12 years old and we are making
the mosaic square coasters
from a book by Toshie Takahama called Origami for Displays/ ornaments.  It
gave me an idea for a kid's
book, but I thought it was original and now I'm not sure.  Where can I find
this book by Fuse?  I did
not realize that there was a book out there already on origami quilts.
Without revealing my premise
for my book, the kids and I were going to put together a special display of
our squares, like a quilt
or series of quilts with a story to go with it.  Fuse's book was mentioned
on the list service a few
days ago.  Can anybody out there on the list help?

R.J. Sutter





Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 09:35:26 -0400 (AST)
From: Dennis Walker <d_and_m_walker@compuserve.com>
Subject: Piano Player

        Thanks to all who replied to help me with Robert Lang's Piano
Player. I completed it but it isn't very good. What can you expect from a
first attempt using thin Xmas wrapping paper? Next time (!) it will be
smaller and made with foil backed paper.

                Thanks again,

                                Dennis





Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 10:30:04 -0400 (AST)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: One less female folder

Joseph,
At 20.26 18/12/1997 -0400, you wrote:

>Of course, anyone who knows a bit of Japanese can tell you that most names
>ending in "ko" are female names, but names ending in "hiko" are male
>names...

This was debated in this list, time ago. Of course, those mistaking are
people who just know a bit of a bit of a bit of Japanese..... :)

Roberto
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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 11:52:08 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: Addressing e-mails)

Thank you, that was the problem.

Jeff

> The @.spacestar.net must be the problem. No dots after the @!





Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 11:55:45 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: paper quilts by Fuse

----------
> From: John Sutter <sutterj@earthlink.net>
> Where can I find
> this [quilt] book by Fuse?

It's in Japanese so I can't give you the official title.
ISBN 4-480-87261-1

I am sure you can get it from FF or OUSA (among other places). If you need
help finding it let me know privately and I'll help you out.

Merry Christmas, Jeff
jkerwood@usaor.net
