




Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 19:05:01 -0400 (AST)
From: Marcia Mau <maumoy@hotmail.com>
Subject: Origami Sighting

The New York Times, Sunday, December 7, 1997, The Week in Review section
had a photograph of a traditional paper hat.  It was folded by
Representative Dick Armey (R-TX) from a Form 1040 (U.S. Individual
Income Tax Return).

Marcia Mau
Vienna, VA USA

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 19:08:49 -0400 (AST)
From: Amy Huang <ahuang@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
Subject: Searching for...origami Christmas gift ideas

Hi,

        Since Christmas is almost here, I'd like to ask if anyone has any
ideas for origami gifts. I've been folding some origami ornaments by
attaching small kusudamas/balls to a gold/silver string. I'd like to make
more christmas ornaments but I'm not sure which models would be suitable for
this purpose.

        Any ideas?

        Amy
        Ring of Origami Art
        http://www.angelfire.com/la/Lal





Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 19:24:44 -0400 (AST)
From: Cathy <cathypl@generation.net>
Subject: RE: Whose Credit? (actually silliness)

At 01:57 AM 97-12-11 -0400, you wrote:
>I have to defend the Unafolder again.  Silliness is important. I do wish
>the Unafolder would break his silence and explain to all the importance
>of his work to all origami folders.
>
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>

But it's much more fun NOT knowing who the Unafolder is!

                              Cathy
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 19:49:55 -0400 (AST)
From: youngcj@ix.netcom.com (Carole Young)
Subject: Re: Searching for...origami Christmas gift ideas

Novice that I am, I did large origami figures for my employees two
Christmas' ago.  Christmas foil work of course because it is big.
another paper that looks neat is old calendars.
In the Origami Archtecture book, there is a model for a "pagoda" that
look much like a Xmas tree, it makes a good card.   My all time
favorite is Jon Tremaine's bowl on page 60-61 of The Step by Step Art
of Origami.  The bowl can be made very large out of thickish paper like
calenders and sealed or coated with brushed on casting plastic.  It
will then be washable and functional.

Carole

You wrote:
>
>Hi,
>
>        Since Christmas is almost here, I'd like to ask if anyone has
any
>ideas for origami gifts. I've been folding some origami ornaments by
>attaching small kusudamas/balls to a gold/silver string. I'd like to
make
>more christmas ornaments but I'm not sure which models would be
suitable for
>this purpose.
>
>        Any ideas?
>
>        Amy
>        Ring of Origami Art
>        http://www.angelfire.com/la/Lal





Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 19:53:49 -0400 (AST)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: When is a new model a new model?

>I think most people who design models started with modifying other people's
>models. It's a good way to learn. Encourage him to continue, and then to begin
>doing designs of his own. There's nothing unethical about modifying; there IS
>something unethical about modifying and then claiming it as your own. If it's
>substantially different (e.g. taking someone's frog and turning it into a milk
>truck), then you are pretty safe in claiming it as a new design. (I remember
>receiving similar advice from Robert Lang about 4 or 5 years ago...)

        Thus far, I haven't seen anything on this issue that I don't agree
with.  I do believe that many (if not all) creators start out by modifying
extant models in one way or another.  I recall my own first "original"
creation:  I made a flapping crane from a right triangle with the two
longest points folded to the top and proceeding from there:  the model had
enormous flapping wings, so I called it a pterodactyl (ah, how little I
knew then...  ;-D  )  I don't recall what my earliest "from scratch"
invention was, but one of my earliest was a sailboat on water with a big,
stylized wave behind it -- a simplistic model that was almost wholly
reverse folds.

        As Joseph and others have said, it's not unethical to modify an
existing model, but such modification _does_ have been extensive enough
that it's source model can't be easily recognized before one can claim it's
truly original.  Turning a flapping crane into a centipede certainly
qualifies; turning it into a flapping heron does not.  Clearly, many
existing _bases_ are versatile enough to serve as a starting point for a
nearly infinite number of potential models...but then again, I don't know
that anyone (anymore) claims to have been the originator of a certain,
frequently-encountered base!  Bases exist as basic plans for laying out
certain points of the paper with respect to one another:  it's that
inherent proportioning that makes them useful in the first place.  I have
certainly used bases I've seen elsewhere as bases for my own models; one
notable memory comes from using the base Maekawa used for his "Kangaroo" in
_Viva! Origami_ as a base for an early "Tyrannosaurus" model -- the
perspective in one of his diagrams just shouted to me to be made into a
"Tyrannosaurus."

        As a side note here, I recall from somewhere that Yoshizawa has
claimed to have invented over 50,000 models in his lifetime, but I also
recall seeing in one of his books that he counted modifying a few folds in
one model to give the finished product a different pose (same animal,
though) as a completely separate creation.  Personally, I do not consider
this an act of separate creation.  I don't know how extensive this is in
his repertoire, but if it's rampant, then, in my own POV, I wouldn't say
he's created 50,000 models (obviously, though, this is just a matter of
semantics).

        One other question comes to mind:  what if a person is _trying_ to
duplicate another model?  Not reverse-engineering:  I'm talking more of
trying to come up with a new folding method for a model.  I've done this on
occasion, trying to recreate some two-piece models of other creators from a
single piece of paper.  Does it still qualify as an original model if it
closely resembles another model, but the folding process is completely
different?  (I think so, but I'd be interested in what others think).

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Dept. of Geological Sciences          FAX:  768-2701
Southern Methodist University
Box 750395                            jdharris@post.smu.edu
Dallas  TX  75275-0395                (Compuserve:  102354,2222)

"Science _does_ have all the answers -- we just don't have all
the science."
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 20:18:42 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ultranet.ca>
Subject: Re: When is a new model a new model?

>        As a side note here, I recall from somewhere that Yoshizawa has
>claimed to have invented over 50,000 models in his lifetime, but I also
>recall seeing in one of his books that he counted modifying a few folds in
>one model to give the finished product a different pose (same animal,
>though) as a completely separate creation.  Personally, I do not consider
>this an act of separate creation.  I don't know how extensive this is in
>his repertoire, but if it's rampant, then, in my own POV, I wouldn't say
>he's created 50,000 models (obviously, though, this is just a matter of
>semantics).

Truly, a matter of semantics. Yoshizawa views his models not in terms of
technical design, but in terms of somehow capturing the "life" of his
subject. A different pose certainly counts as a new model in this scheme
since a different aspect of the subject is revealed. Most of us don't work
that way, though, as you have already implied.

>        One other question comes to mind:  what if a person is _trying_ to
>duplicate another model?  Not reverse-engineering:  I'm talking more of
>trying to come up with a new folding method for a model.  I've done this on
>occasion, trying to recreate some two-piece models of other creators from a
>single piece of paper.  Does it still qualify as an original model if it
>closely resembles another model, but the folding process is completely
>different?  (I think so, but I'd be interested in what others think).

There are two different issues here. Duplication of a model from the same
set of constraints (same paper shape, number of sheets, etc.) may result in
the same model (or something very close) as the original. Given that you
are trying to duplicate the original, I would say that the new model should
not be considered an original design. However, if the constraints are
different, then there is no possibility of duplicating the original, so the
result should probably be considered original. A case in point: Robert Lang
had just finished designing a model that looked like Max Hulme's lizard at
the OUSA Convention in NY this year. The difference? Robert's model was
folded from a square while Max's was folded from a 4 by 1 rectangle. While
the result was similar in appearance, they were obviously different models.

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:29:37 -0400 (AST)
From: Mike & Janet Hamilton <Mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Origami Sighting

An educational computer game called Jump Start Third Grade from
Knowledge Adventures had one mission in which you go back in time to
retrieve a robot named Noshi Origami, which was sent back to China in
A.D. 105 to change the discovery of paper.  According to this program,
paper was originally invented not for writing (or paper airplanes), but
to produce clothing.  I have heard of paper clothes, but had always
thought paper was developed for writing.  I usually make a joke when I
am teaching origami and talking about the invention of paper that the
inventor (Tsai Lun) was a government worker, so it is really true that
the gevernment invented paperwork (this gets the most laughs around
Income Tax time).

Can anyone else confirm that the original purpose of paper was for
clothing?

Janet Hamilton

--
mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/





Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 22:04:35 -0400 (AST)
From: Kim Best <kim.best@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: the unafolder

Joseph Wu wrote:

> Innocent until proven guilty. It's a crucial part of your own judicial
> system. If you really know that I'm the Unafolder, then prove it.
> Otherwise, stop making unfounded speculations.
>
> For the record:
>   Do I know who the Unafolder is? Yes.
>   Will I divulge that information? No.
>   Am I the Unafolder? No.

Sorry for jumping this one so late.  But I kinda' think we are letting Joseph
     off
the hook a little to easy.

True, he may not be the ACTUAL Unafolder.  But by his own admission, he knows
     who
the Unafolder is, and will not divulge his name.  At the very least he could be
sighted with withholding evidence, and harboring a known paper molester.
     Besides
in our judicial system, when someone claims to know who committed an act of
mayhem, and then refuses to tell who it is, who do you think becomes the prime
suspect?

In any case, I think I figured who the Unafolder is.  I'm not going to say who,
because I don't want to be embarrassed by another adamant denial.  But lets just
say it's obviously someone who knows Joseph Wu pretty well.  And if I'm not
mistaken, the Unafolder has made remarks about a certain hexagon folder, that
     are
suspiciously similar to those made by someone else....

'Cides I think this group has always been way to concerned with being nice.  A
little mayhem does us good!

--
Kim Best                            ************************************
                                    * I've come to the conclusion that *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * origami, isn't folding so much,  *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * as it is precision crumpling.    *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         ************************************





Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 22:59:43 -0400 (AST)
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: the unafolder

At 10:04 PM 12/11/97 -0400, <kim.best@m.cc.utah.edu> wrote:

>True, he may not be the ACTUAL Unafolder.  But by his own admission, he
knows who
>the Unafolder is, and will not divulge his name.  At the very least he
could be
>sighted with withholding evidence, and harboring a known paper molester.
Besides
>in our judicial system, when someone claims to know who committed an act of
>mayhem, and then refuses to tell who it is, who do you think becomes the
prime
>suspect?

To take some of the heat off of Joseph, I will admit that I too know who
the Unafoolder (sorry, unintentional typo). Like Joseph, I will not divulge
who it is (besides, the real Unafolder has a lot more real dirt on me), and
I can confirm that the real Unafolder is neither Joseph or myself (so I
just effectively added myself to the suspect list?).

Marc





Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:22:40 -0400 (AST)
From: TaraDelFue <TaraDelFue@aol.com>
Subject: credit

To whom it may concern:

I recently had the occasion to browse the Kanomado, and to my great surprise,
found a large number of my original models under the byline of "traditional"
Now, I don't know who this "traditional" fellow is, or how he was able to
siphon my modern designs back through the past, but he darn well better fess
up!

The crane?  Mine!
The frog?  Mine too!
The cup?  Mine again!

Is nothing sacred?

Tara delFuego





Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:57:13 -0400 (AST)
From: morpha <morpha@columbia-pacific.interrain.org>
Subject: Re: Searching for...origami Christmas gift ideas

The 8-sided stars in Modular Origami by Tomoko Fuse make beautiful
Christmas tree ornaments. I am including one with each christmas card I
send.

Fuse boxes also make nice Christmas gifts, especially when made from
artisan paper.

Origami animals may be pierced at the balance point and hung on a tree
with gold braid or colorful ribbon.





Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 01:48:10 -0400 (AST)
From: klundber@mnsinc.com
Subject: Re: Searching for...origami Christmas gift ideas

Amy writes:
   >Since Christmas is almost here, I'd like to ask if anyone has any
   >ideas for origami gifts. I've been folding some origami ornaments by
   >attaching small kusudamas/balls to a gold/silver string. I'd like
   >to make more christmas ornaments but I'm not sure which models
   >would be suitable for this purpose.
   >Any ideas?

____________
In Origami Made Easy by Kunihiko Kasahara, there is a baby model that looks
like a child in a snow suit.  I sit these on a simple sled and string a bead
through the hood to hang.  They were all stolen from the tree so I guess
people like them. :)  There is also a candle model in the same book. I
fasten them to the tree by sliding them over old fashion clothespins.  I use
Paper People and Other Pointers by Petty for nametags, flowers instead of
ribbons on packages.  My favorite ball ornament is the Salt Substitute by
Robert Neale from The Flapping Bird done with two colors.

At the end of the season I give everyone back their cards as boxes. A top and
bottom can be made by cutting the card on the fold and using the Rectangular
Box by Vincent Floderer in '96 Annual Collection, the greeting side of the
card will need to be to have a couple of millimeters cut off each edge for
the bottom but the cuts don't have to be perfect.  The boxes are small but
just about the right size for stray paperclips etc.

Kalei - klundber@mnsinc.com





Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 02:35:34 -0400 (AST)
From: FoldingCA@webtv.net (Dorothy Engleman)
Subject: RE: Whose Credit?

In music it's perfectly acceptable for an artist to modify another
artist's creation.

There's the Theme and Variations form, wherein Brahms modifies a
Haydn piece and calls it Brahm's Variations on a Haydn Theme.

And Beethovan does the same thing to a Mozart tune. And Liszt to a
Paganini ditty and so on.

And then there are the Orchestral, Guitar and Piano, etc, transcriptions
wherein both transcriber and composer get their names credited.

And why not?  Isn't art both original and derivative?

Now back to "Folding California"...

Dorothy

FoldingCA@webtv.net





Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:06:10 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: Searching for...origami Christmas gift ideas

> From: morpha <morpha@columbia-pacific.interrain.org>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject: Re: Searching for...origami Christmas gift ideas
> Date: Thursday, December 11, 1997 10:57 PM
>
> The 8-sided stars in Modular Origami by Tomoko Fuse make beautiful
> Christmas tree ornaments. I am including one with each christmas card I
> send.

??? Which fuse book is that (Japanese title I presume?), do you have the
ISBN?

Thanks, Jeff Kerwood
jkerwood@usaor.net





Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:19:26 -0400 (AST)
From: DGS - Kevin Kinney PhD <kkinney@carolinas.org>
Subject: Re: Searching for...origami Christmas gift ideas

Christmas was *made* for origami!

Each year for the past few, I've made origami ornaments for
friends/coworkers.  In borrowing from Hallmark tradition, I pick one form
and make that the "ornament of the year" (so everyone gets the same one).
I've used the "Rose Brooch" from the Biddles' "The New Origami," The "Star"
from Montroll's "Animal Origami for the Enthusiast," The fantastic
"One-piece Box with Lid" by David Brill (In either "Origami for the
Conoisseur" or "Brilliant Origami"), and this year I'm doing a variant
(ha!) of my own on the "Tri-star" which was in the OUSA Annual from '94, I
believe (alas, I cannot remember the creator).

Anything that resembles a star is a great ornament, as are angelic/fairy
type things.

Anything in foil is well-received.

(I've also come up with a pathetically simple Star of David for my Jewish
friends.  An attempt to be ecumenical.  Nothing yet though for other
faiths.)

Beyond ornaments, you could have a go at making larger sculpted models as
actual art-gifts.  I keep planning on doing this, but always run out of
time.

And I think it's great to make origami gift boxes (usually one of Fuse's)
out of gift-wrap paper.

And you can also play with making jewelry out of miniature origami.  There
was some discussion on this a while back...

Kevin

Kevin Kinney
kkinney@carolinas.org





Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:26:02 -0400 (AST)
From: Vince or Cherri Langley <fiesta@rt66.com>
Subject: Re: Searching for...origami Christmas gift ideas

Great idea on recycling everyone's Christmas cards...just wondering...are the
directions for the box available? I don't have the '96 Annual Collection. Is
     this
design/pattern something you could describe?
Thanks,
Cherri

klundber@mnsinc.com wrote:

> Amy writes:
>    >Since Christmas is almost here, I'd like to ask if anyone has any
>    >ideas for origami gifts. I've been folding some origami ornaments by
>    >attaching small kusudamas/balls to a gold/silver string. I'd like
>    >to make more christmas ornaments but I'm not sure which models
>    >would be suitable for this purpose.
>    >Any ideas?
>
> ____________
> In Origami Made Easy by Kunihiko Kasahara, there is a baby model that looks
> like a child in a snow suit.  I sit these on a simple sled and string a bead
> through the hood to hang.  They were all stolen from the tree so I guess
> people like them. :)  There is also a candle model in the same book. I
> fasten them to the tree by sliding them over old fashion clothespins.  I use
> Paper People and Other Pointers by Petty for nametags, flowers instead of
> ribbons on packages.  My favorite ball ornament is the Salt Substitute by
> Robert Neale from The Flapping Bird done with two colors.
>
> At the end of the season I give everyone back their cards as boxes. A top and
> bottom can be made by cutting the card on the fold and using the Rectangular
> Box by Vincent Floderer in '96 Annual Collection, the greeting side of the
> card will need to be to have a couple of millimeters cut off each edge for
> the bottom but the cuts don't have to be perfect.  The boxes are small but
> just about the right size for stray paperclips etc.
>
> Kalei - klundber@mnsinc.com





Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:30:24 -0400 (AST)
From: Darren Cumbie <slinkmaster@hotmail.com>
Subject:

Sorry to bother everyone but I connot obtain a list of archive files or
anything of that nature.  It is a requirement of a class I am taking in
high school if anyone can give me any assistance it would be greatly
appreciated.
  Thank you,
     Darren

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:37:27 -0400 (AST)
From: Michael Montebello <florafauna@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE: origami Christmas gift ideas

I like to make family tree crane mobiles. Example - for my Mom and Dad I made
to large cranes at the top, my only and older sister and her husband directly
under them (no kids) Also suspended from Mom & Dad's rod but on a longer
string is my self and husband under us and coming from our rod is our kid. I
use washi paper, the males are all solid colors and the females are prints,
the cranes get smaller with each generation.

For large families I some times putt the same generation on the same rod. You
can use any order that makes sense. I use bamboo squres (cant find how to
spell that word, the things you use for shi-k-bobs) that I get at the food
market.

I have done the top birds linked bill and wing using silver or gold to
celebrate  25 or 50 years. I have also given linked (sembazuru?) crains as
famaly trees.

I don't know if people hurry to dig them out of the closet and hang them up
each time I drop in or like them and keep them up ;)
hope this helps
Susan Dugan





Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:38:38 -0400 (AST)
From: Bruce Stephens <B.Stephens@isode.com>
Subject: Re: Searching for...origami Christmas gift ideas

jkerwood@usaor.net said:
> ??? Which fuse book is that (Japanese title I presume?), do you have
> the ISBN?

"Unit Origami: Multidimensional Transformations".  It's in English (well,
American).





Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:30:23 -0400 (AST)
From: James Fowler High School Library <fowlerj1@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: Searching for...origami Christmas gift ideas

Two years ago, I made a beautiful one piece box with lid from Paulo Mulatino's
Origami book (of
course I don't know it's exact name because my books and I are not together at
this moment. In any case, I used a 15 cm square of two sided paper, foil one
side. The foil was the inside of the box and made a perfect presentation box
for a small origami mouse in one case and a koala in another (appropriate at
the time). Any small model which suits the recipient! Of course the box could
also contain a diamond ring or a cheque for a ridiculously large amount! The
box top folded in two ways, your choice. I found the interlocking top the most
effective. The fold over top did not stay closed well.

Nigel Pottle
npottle@cbe.ab.ca





Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:46:29 -0400 (AST)
From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@spacestar.net>
Subject: Re: Searching for...origami Christmas gift ideas

Amy wrote:

>Since Christmas is almost here, I'd like to ask if anyone has any
>ideas for origami gifts.

Here are some origami ornaments I have given:

The Star (p. 21) by Endla Saar from The Magic of Origami by Alice Gray
and Kunihiko Kasahara. ISBN 0-87040-624-8. I first saw this model on the
OUSA tree in New York. It is exquisite.

The Christmas Tree (p. 110) from the same book. I use deep green Ultra
Bright paper (made for laser printing and copying), splattered with white
watercolor spots. I top the tree with a small Chinese Lucky Star (p. 95)
from The Art of Origami by Gay Merrill Gross.

Strawberries. There is a traditional design diagrammed in Fuse's
Decoration Boxes (ISBN 4-480-87201-9). A variation by Alice Gray appears
in The Magic of Origami. I like to use raindot foil, which is colored
foil with 1/8-inch silver polka dots, that I backcoat with green tissue.
You can also paint you own dots with a silver marker. The fold works so
that the calyx is green and the berry is red.

I have also given peacocks, and as you have, kusudamas.

I usually put the ornament in an origami box.

Jane





Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:46:56 -0400 (AST)
From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@spacestar.net>
Subject: Re: Searching for...origami Christmas gift ideas

Cherri wrote:

>Great idea on recycling everyone's Christmas cards...just wondering...are the
>directions for the box available? I don't have the '96 Annual Collection.
>Is this
>design/pattern something you could describe?

Here is another box idea for which a diagram might be easier to find: the
traditional masu box works well when made from old greeting cards. Use
the back panel of the card for the bottom of the box and the front of the
card for the top. Instructions for this box appear in Gay Merril Gross's
The Art of Origami, which is now out of print. I know I have seen the box
diagrammed elsewhere, but I can't recall where.

Good luck!

Jane





Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:08:29 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ultranet.ca>
Subject: RE: Archive files

On Friday, December 12, 1997 6:30 AM, Darren Cumbie
[SMTP:slinkmaster@hotmail.com] wrote:
> Sorry to bother everyone but I connot obtain a list of archive files or
> anything of that nature.  It is a requirement of a class I am taking in
> high school if anyone can give me any assistance it would be greatly
> appreciated.

Darren, the archive files can be found at the archive site:
http://www.rug.nl/rugcis/rc/ftp/origami/index.htm

You can also search for specific items in the archives at:
http://www.origami.net/cgi-bin/jwu/search_archive.cgi

Be aware that the archives currently contain about 30 megabytes of data...

Joseph Wu, Origami Artist & Multimedia Producer
T: (604)730-0306 x 105    F: (604)732-7331   E: josephwu@ultranet.ca
W: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:27:37 -0400 (AST)
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <contract@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: Searching for...origami Christmas gift ideas

At 12:46 PM 12/12/97 -0400, Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@spacestar.net> wrote:

>Strawberries. There is a traditional design diagrammed in Fuse's
>Decoration Boxes (ISBN 4-480-87201-9). A variation by Alice Gray appears
>in The Magic of Origami. I like to use raindot foil, which is colored
>foil with 1/8-inch silver polka dots, that I backcoat with green tissue.
>You can also paint you own dots with a silver marker. The fold works so
>that the calyx is green and the berry is red.

I do not think this is traditional; this model sounds like the one that was
developed by Rae Cooker. It was a big favorite of Michael Shall.

Marc





Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:49:40 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@usaor.net>
Subject: Help me save Christmas.

We are having a Christmas crisis at our home. Chris (my wife) has allergies
and we are going to have to take down our Christmas tree. She feels very
bad about it. I offered to make an origami Christmas tree. Now the problem
- HOW DO I DO IT :-%  ?

I looked in the archives and didn't see an answer there. I'd like to make
one at least 30" tall. It would be nice if it were sturdy enough that we
wouldn't be in fear of it collapsing. Any thoughts about a model I could
use, what paper to use, special techniques for folding big things (wet
folding (which I have never done) or anything else) or any other ideas?

Thanks, Jeff Kerwood
jkerwood@usaor.net





Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:15:59 -0400 (AST)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: Origami Sighting

Janet,
At 21.31 11/12/1997 -0400, you wrote:
 I usually make a joke when I
>am teaching origami and talking about the invention of paper that the
>inventor (Tsai Lun) was a government worker

Also, legend tells that Tsai Lun was an eunuch. Has this anything to do with
government workers ?

:) :) :)

Roberto





Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:22:21 -0400 (AST)
From: DGS - Kevin Kinney PhD <kkinney@carolinas.org>
Subject: Re: Help me save Christmas.

>We are having a Christmas crisis at our home. Chris (my wife) has allergies
>and we are going to have to take down our Christmas tree. She feels very
>bad about it. I offered to make an origami Christmas tree. Now the problem
>- HOW DO I DO IT :-%  ?
>

It's not exactly origami, but what about a variant of the old newspaper tree.

You take a section of the paper (fairly thick, you want a lot of sheets of
paper lying on top of each other) iopen it out, then roll it up from side
to side, into a tight log-like roll.  Tape or glue the one end, say 1/3 to
1/2 the total length.  Then you use scissors to make several longitudinal
cuts through the other end, toward your taped "trunk", giving you a
trunk/handle and a frayed mess.  reach into the center of the frays to grab
a part of the interior of the trunk and gently pull upward.  The trunk will
telescope outward (like a collapsing car antenna) and the fray make the
leaves.  I think that if you were to start the slits long on the outer
layers and make them shorter as you cut in, you might be able to make a
decent tapering effect.

If you used green paper (wrapping paper?) instead of newspaper (cut several
large rectangles), it might look Christmasy.  And by using larger paper,
you might be able to make a larger tree, but it may need some structural
enhancement:  a wire to support the trunk, or hang it from a ceiling hook
so it appears to be sitting on the ground.

        And, of course, decorate with origami ornaments!

Did I get the method right?  It's been a very long time since I tried this.

(on the other hand, if you want to make one out of *balloons*, I can point
you in the right direction.  A friend of mine and I developed a good one a
while back.  But it takes a lot of those long skinny balloons  in green...)

Kevin

Kevin Kinney
kkinney@carolinas.org





Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:55:32 -0400 (AST)
From: DORIGAMI <DORIGAMI@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  Lewis Simon

In answer to Rona Gurkewitz's comment on the passing away of Lewis Simon whose
did some remarkable unit Origami, I concur that he did some great geometric
models.  One of them I particularly enjoy is the model in one of Gay Gross
books that has been reissued, called a gyroscope.  It is easy to learn, easy
to teach, easy to remember , lots of fun, and a wonderful toy when finished.
This is what I look for in a model.  The origami world has suffered a real
loss in his passing away.  Dorigami





Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:03:58 -0400 (AST)
From: DORIGAMI <DORIGAMI@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  Re: the unafolder

Somewhere or other I seemed to have missed who this unafolder is and what he
is all about.  All I know is that he is generating a lot of mail and I don't
have time to read it all.  Can someone give me a summary of what is going on.
Dorigami





Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:37:33 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ultranet.ca>
Subject: Re: Origami Sighting

>Also, legend tells that Tsai Lun was an eunuch. Has this anything to do with
>government workers ?

Only in certain ancient cultures such as China. Then again, we still have
Unix today that helps to run our governments... >;)

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:09:00 -0400 (AST)
From: klundber@mnsinc.com
Subject: Re: Searching for...origami Christmas gift ideas

Cheri writes in regard to the Rectangular Box by Vincent Floderer:
   >Great idea on recycling everyone's Christmas cards...just wondering.
   >..are the directions for the box available? I don't have the '96
   >Annual Collection. Is this design/pattern something you could
   >describe? Thanks,

____________
I don't know how to contact the designer for permission or if it is proper
to post a written description to the best of my ability.

Kalei - klundber@mnsinc.com





Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:41:31 -0400 (AST)
From: youngcj@ix.netcom.com (Carole Young)
Subject: Re: Help me save Christmas.

Check out the Origami Architecture books.  There is a model in there
that folds to make a kind of popout temple that looks like a tree.  If
you did two you could put them back to back.  If interested I'll look
up the book name and page #

Carole

You wrote:
>
>We are having a Christmas crisis at our home. Chris (my wife) has
allergies
>and we are going to have to take down our Christmas tree. She feels
very
>bad about it. I offered to make an origami Christmas tree. Now the
problem
>- HOW DO I DO IT :-%  ?
>
>I looked in the archives and didn't see an answer there. I'd like to
make
>one at least 30" tall. It would be nice if it were sturdy enough that
we
>wouldn't be in fear of it collapsing. Any thoughts about a model I
could
>use, what paper to use, special techniques for folding big things (wet
>folding (which I have never done) or anything else) or any other
ideas?
>
>Thanks, Jeff Kerwood
>jkerwood@usaor.net





Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:42:42 -0400 (AST)
From: Jean Villemaire <villemaire@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: Help me save Christmas.

Jeff Kerwood wrote:

> I looked in the archives and didn't see an answer there. I'd like to make
> one at least 30" tall. It would be nice if it were sturdy enough that we
> wouldn't be in fear of it collapsing. Any thoughts about a model I could
> use, what paper to use, special techniques for folding big things (wet
> folding (which I have never done) or anything else) or any other ideas?

Kunihiko Kasahara & Alice Gray
The Magic of Origami (Japan Publications, ISBN 0-87040-624-8)
> Christmas Tree, pp.112-113

>From stacked pieces that can be glued together for more strenght.  A shelf
inside each angle allows you to put smaller origamis to "decorate"...  May be
folded in quite sturdy paper if not in thin card.  Easy to do, dividing flaps
of a preliminary base...  Don't forget to include my cardinal's head you can
find on Origami-Montreal's site, in the modeles' page.

                    ___________________
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                    |                 |
                    |                 |
                    |      }---{      |
                    |      |0 ,0      |
                    |     /'\   \     |
                    |    |'''|  |     |
                    |    |'  /  /     |
                    |____|  /_ /______|
    Jean Villemaire     |/-/"-"-|       Le harfang des neiges,
   Montral, QUBEC     |       |       emblme aviaire
                        |_______|       du Qubec

              mailto:villemaire@videotron.ca
                   Origami-Montral :
 http://econo1.ecn.ulaval.ca:80/~pgon/origami/origami.html





Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 20:10:41 -0400 (AST)
From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@spacestar.net>
Subject: Re: Searching for...origami Christmas gift ideas

>I do not think this is traditional; this model sounds like the one that was
>developed by Rae Cooker.

Mea culpa.  I learned the strawberry from a Japanese girl, so I assumed
it was a traditional model. I was wrong.  I didn't check the page in
Fuse's book for a designer's name, but Rae Cooker's name is there.

Jane





Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:02:01 -0400 (AST)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Origami Sighting

Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it> sez

>Also, legend tells that Tsai Lun was an eunuch. Has this anything to do with
>government workers ?

It does explain why he was so clever with his hands ;)

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:14:29 -0400 (AST)
From: John Smith <jon.pure@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Half a Square onward

I am most grateful for the contributions to my understanding of Thoki Yenn's
half square problem.
I assumed that the idea was to achieve half the area of the original square
in exactly two layers.
It now appears much better to define the problem as:-

Fold a square so that:-

All folds can be located by edges or folds (ie purely by folding)

Not more that two layers of paper are involved ( ie no overlapping of the
folded areas)

The folded area or areas to sum to half the area of the original square.

So far I have collected as solutions from contributors :-

One fold   The crease to go through the centre of the square. As a special
case we get a rectangle if the crease is parallel to an edge or a triangle
if it goes corner to corner. Query :- is this the only solution
for one crease?

Two folds  Fold parallel to the edge and then bookfold the opposite edge up
to this. Query:- is there
any other solution to the two fold case?

Three folds. Fold in half then blintz the two corners. ? any other solution.

Four folds. Blintz 4 corners which gives a square (uniquely?). Is this the
only solution with 4 folds ?

Five or more ?????????

I remember somone saying that the difficulty is not in finding answers but
asking the right question
I wonder if I am getting any nearer the right question?

Thanks John.

John Smith
Norwich
England
e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:15:08 -0400 (AST)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Re: When is a new model a new model?

Joseph Wu wrote:
> There are two different issues here. Duplication of a model from the same
> set of constraints (same paper shape, number of sheets, etc.) may result in
> the same model (or something very close) as the original. Given that you
> are trying to duplicate the original, I would say that the new model should
> not be considered an original design.

I've been collecting turtle models for a while; and although the folding
sequences were very different, I always ended up with a large hump in
the center, four legs, a head, and a tail... are these all just
duplications of each other? Or could it be that it is the subject that
defines the constraints, and not the material you use?

Matthias





Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:16:16 -0400 (AST)
From: Vince or Cherri Langley <fiesta@rt66.com>
Subject: Re: Searching for...origami Christmas gift ideas

Thanks so much! I think it is proper to describe the design if you give credit
to the designer and we don't profit monetarily from the design. Does anyone
else have any thoughts on this? Is it OK for Kalei to give the box directions
that I so desperately want...er, need?
Cherri
PS: Kalei-If you would rahter you could send me a private e mail describing the
directions. I can be reached at fiesta@rt66.com

klundber@mnsinc.com wrote:

> Cheri writes in regard to the Rectangular Box by Vincent Floderer:
>    >Great idea on recycling everyone's Christmas cards...just wondering.
>    >..are the directions for the box available? I don't have the '96
>    >Annual Collection. Is this design/pattern something you could
>    >describe? Thanks,
>
> ____________
> I don't know how to contact the designer for permission or if it is proper
> to describe the folding method in a public forum...If it is I will be happy
> to post a written description to the best of my ability.
>
> Kalei - klundber@mnsinc.com





Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 19:09:38 -0400 (AST)
From: Kimberly Crane <kcrane@kimscrane.com>
Subject: Kim's Crane Holiday Special

Seasons Greetings From Gordon and Kimberly Crane at Kim's Crane:

Kim's Crane has recently added a shopping cart with secure commerce capability
to its web site.  Some of the most recent paper additions have been 50 new
large full sheets of washi papers from Japan and glassine papers from Germany.

We have a holiday special on our glassine paper.  15 sheets, 27.5" x 39.5", 15
colors for $7.50.  Kim's Crane normal price for a sheet of glassine paper is $
0.75.

Sincerely,
Kimberly and Gordon Crane
http://www.kimscrane.com





Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 19:17:23 -0400 (AST)
From: "Nancy B. McNitt" <nbm@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: TAN:ingenious uses of freebie CDs

You can get cheap clock motors - battery type and make nice clocks. For a
challange mount small Origami miodels for digits.
Glenn McNitt





Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 20:41:12 -0400 (AST)
From: Helena Verrill <helena@mast.queensu.ca>
Subject: Re: Half a Square onward

Hi,
I think I pretty much convinced myself before, and posted
a message about it, to say that there are no ways for more
than four folds.
Why not try the question with four layers, and 1/4 of the area?
I think that might be a question with a prettier answer!
I think a lot of tessellations could be made to do that.

Also for 3, it's pretty easy to get infinitely many ways of folding so that
there are three levels everywhere, by kind of zig-zagging the paper:
Side view:
 _____________  _______  _____________
<_____  ______><___  __><_____  ______>
______><___________><_________><_______

Looks like this has a multiple of three folds. presumably there
are more interesting ways of getting three levels everywhere?

The higher the number of layers you're allowed, the more possibilities
you'll get probably, though it might turn out that for some numbers
(try primes, eg 17) maybe there are very few ways of getting 1/17 of the
area and 17 layers everywhere?

Then since this is Christmas time, the challenge would be to fold
father Christmas(=Santa) so you get exactly 64 layers everywhere,
and Santa is 1/64th of the area of the original paper.

There must be a good reason for wanting to do this!  By the way,
Can anyone tell me about interesting origami where you fold
something pretty, and then cut it in half, and get something pretty
cut out?  I believe various people are doing research on this kind
of thing, but they only cut out polygons with a single cut from
some folded paper; can you cut out a reindeer or something?  Anyone
know any good tricks like this that work?

Helena

PS.  Looking at your question one more time, it's not clear
if you mean that you have to have exactly 2 layers at every
place?  If you fold a square along a line through the center,
there will be parts that only have one layer, and the area
showing will be more than 1/2.  To talk about area of the
finished flat origami is pretty easy to measure; but when you
say "sum of folded areas", what do you mean?  How can you tell
whether it's the back or the front that's been folded after the
one fold?
If your question for one fold is the same as asking "how can
I cut a piece of paper in half with cut so that each piece has
half the area, then your answer is the only way; suppose there
was a cut that was not through the center; then take a parallel
cut that is through the center; then the cut through the center
has cut the thing in half, so the original cut can not have
done so.
Maybe you can be a bit more precise about "folded area", and
maybe there will be a different answer from what I gave above,
though my feeling is that more than 4 folds to get 1/2 area will
still not be possible (but there might be a large number of ways
with 2 folds say (eg, make a fold off center a little bit,
but nearly through the center, and then make up for the short
coming by folding over some other corner a little bit.)





Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 20:42:41 -0400 (AST)
From: Paul Vandine <pvandine@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: TAN:ingenious uses of freebie CDs

Wow deja Vu!  I believe I suggested the first, and someone else
suggest the other <G>

Paul

===
World Peace Through Origami

---"Nancy B. McNitt" <nbm@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> You can get cheap clock motors - battery type and make nice clocks.
For a
> challange mount small Origami miodels for digits.
> Glenn McNitt
>
>

_________________________________________________________
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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 21:11:58 -0400 (AST)
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: Half a Square onward

> There must be a good reason for wanting to do this!  By the way,
> Can anyone tell me about interesting origami where you fold
> something pretty, and then cut it in half, and get something pretty
> cut out?  I believe various people are doing research on this kind
> of thing, but they only cut out polygons with a single cut from
> some folded paper; can you cut out a reindeer or something?  Anyone
> know any good tricks like this that work?

A number of years ago, I did meet an oriental gentleman who was able
to cut any figure out of a sheet of paper. There were a group of us
at a meeting. Whatever we named, he cut. I recall asking for a horse.
He folded the paper, and after a few snips ended up with a few
perfectly symmetrical horses. Each completed figure named was there
in perfection!

---
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu
http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman





Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 21:31:36 -0400 (AST)
From: Michael Montebello <florafauna@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE:Help with, Help me save Christmas.

I have been looking for a tree I saw that uses decreasing sizes of paper to
make units that are fitted on top of each other the unit is in some books as a
top (I think Origami Omnibus or Origami for the Connoisseur, I could not find
the page, the top has a tooth pick for the stem) I know the book Kusudama Ball
Origami has the unit on page 52 part A.
I may have seen the tree in a good book which has disappeared from my library
I think it was Quick and Easy Origami Christmas it came in a box with paper
and is small and spiral bound.
Put the nice thing about this tree is that you have a shelf like edge that you
can hang or place decorations.
If any one knows what book I'm thinking of help!
Susan Dugan





Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 23:27:13 -0400 (AST)
From: Meristein <Meristein@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  Re: Searching for...origami Christmas gift ideas

I'd be very interested in your "pathetically simple" Star of David design,
since all the ones I know are anything but.

Anyhow, what's wrong with simple? I always tend toward the  simple but elegant
solution. On the other hand I don't know if that's because it's really my
style, or it's a really good excuse for not being able to execute more complex
stuff. (Deep down, I think it's the former).

This year I made twisted stars from Fuse's Spirals #1 book for the annual
ornament. For the Star of David people, I used the 3D six-piece triangular
star(in a Fuse book, but I always thought it designed by Paolo Baschetta). A
fine example of  your not-so-simple S of D.  These ornaments were all packaged
in Yamaguchi's pyramid gift box,  which like the big cardboard box your kid
will play with instead of the expensive toy it contained, generated lots of
excitement and requests to demonstrate its workings. Nice reactions from a
bunch of Department of Justice attorneys!

Happy Hollandaise, said the sauce to the asparagus.

Merida





Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 00:05:59 -0400 (AST)
From: Belinda Holbrook <holbrook@netins.net>
Subject: Origami Christmas tree

I've made a Christmas tree that is three-dimensional. I've seen it in a
couple of books but I know for sure it is in the Usborne Book of Origami.
You use squares of descending sizes and the resulting models sit on top of
each other. It even has a brown base. I've made it from bulletin board
paper that makes at least 40" squares. Ornaments can then be hung from the
layers. I have a small one this year in my library and the kids really
like it.

Belinda Holbrook





Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 02:21:19 -0400 (AST)
From: mplewinska@mindspring.com (Magdalena Cano Plewinska)
Subject: composting origami paper

One of my other passions is gardening and I hate to be throwing out so
much perfectly good (though crumpled) kami when I might be composting
it. Does anyone know what dyes are used for kami and is it OK to put
it on the compost heap? The kami would not be a huge part of my heap.

Thanks and Merry Christmas,
--
Magda Plewinska                   mplewinska@mindspring.com
Miami, FL, USA





Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 11:11:59 -0400 (AST)
From: Michael Montebello <florafauna@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE: Origami Christmas tree

----------

Belinda Holbrook wrote:
I've made a Christmas tree that is three-dimensional. I've seen it in a
couple of books but I know for sure it is in the Usborne Book of Origami.

Its Also in Origami Paper Folding For Fun by Kenneway pp28. The unit is in
some books as a top. I know the book Kusudama Ball Origami has the unit on
page 52 part A. Just use decreasing sizes of paper to make units that are
fitted on top of each other.

You use squares of descending sizes and the resulting models sit on top of
each other. It even has a brown base. I've made it from bulletin board
paper that makes at least 40" squares. Ornaments can then be hung from the
layers. I have a small one this year in my library and the kids really
like it.

Belinda Holbrook

I agree with You its a nice tree.
Susan Dugan





Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 11:12:39 -0400 (AST)
From: Michael Montebello <florafauna@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE: Help with, Help me save Christmas.

----------
From:  Susan Dugan[FAX:florafauna@msn.com@+1 (803) 7919921]
Sent:  Saturday, December 13, 1997 8:32 PM
To:  Multiple recipients of list; Carole Young
Subject:  RE:Help with, Help me save Christmas.

I have been looking for a tree I saw that uses decreasing sizes of paper to
make units that are fitted on top of each other. The unit is in some books as
a top (I think Origami Omnibus or Origami for the Connoisseur, I could not
find the page, the top has a tooth pick for the stem) I know the book Kusudama
Ball Origami has the unit on page 52 part A.
I may have seen the tree in a good book which has disappeared from my library
I think it was Quick and Easy Origami Christmas it came in a box with paper
and is small and spiral bound.
Put the nice thing about this tree is that you have a shelf like edge that you
can hang or place decorations.
If any one knows what book I'm thinking of help!
Susan Dugan





Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 11:43:03 -0400 (AST)
From: Meristein <Meristein@aol.com>
Subject: Help me save Christmas

The Usborne Book of Origami(published by Usborne, and purported to be a
children's book) has a wonderful three-dimensional freestanding tree which
affords shelves to place ornaments on. It's modular, of course but made from
large squares of wrapping paper it works really well. Both my husband and I
have used this tree for holiday settings at work. It also gives you a chance
to fold lots of fanciful miniature ornaments.

Merida Weinstein
