




Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:27:55 -0400 (AST)
From: ktomlinson@platinum.com
Subject: Littleton, MA Origami Meeting 25 November 1997

Hello,
By popular vote, we will be having our regularly scheduled origami meeting
in the Conference Room at the Reuben Hoar Public Library, Littleton, MA
tomorrow at 7:00.  To accommodate the holidays, we will move our December
meeting up earlier in the month for those of you who can't make November's
meeting.
Kristine Tomlinson
ktomlinson@platinum.com
When: Tuesday, 25 November 1997, 7:00 - 9:00.
Where: Reuben Hoar Public Library, Shattuck Street, Littleton, MA
Telephone: (978) 486-4046.
Directions:  Get to the junction of routes 2A/110, 119 and 495.  This
intersection is in the center of town at the only traffic lights.
There's a Mobile station and Bob's Solid Oak nearby.
1. Coming from 2A East take a left at the lights onto King Street (110/2A
West) toward Ayer, MA.  Coming from 119
    West take a right at the lights onto King Street toward Ayer, MA.
2. You'll pass Bob's Solid Oak and a Shell station on the right, then a
cemetery.  At 2 tenths of a mile from the light is
    a right hand fork -- this is one entrance to Shattuck Street.
If you miss it, continue on 110/2A for 5 tenths of a mile.  The other
entrance to Shattuck Street is on the right, opposite
Badger Funeral home. The sign says Town Offices.
There's parking to the left and rear of the building.





Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:31:17 -0400 (AST)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: Ready to Upload

Put them in the "incoming" or "upload" folder,
not the destination folders. And email Maarten vanGelder
immediately that you have done so. Otherwise all
unannounced files are deleted, due to some problems
in the past with hackers using the archive ftp space
for "parking" and other undesirable activities.

I don't have Maarten's address with me, but you can
find it on the ftp site I think, or on one of the
periodic "Administration" emails he posts to the list
(about once a month at least) about the archive site,
unsubscribing, etc.

He also usually checks out the files to see that they
print OK, etc. before placing them in the correct
directories.

valerie





Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:29:50 -0400 (AST)
From: "Ortiz, Cathy" <CORTIZ@foxsportsintl.com>
Subject: RE: Minor Miracle

1is is goodish.
cgo.

> ----------
> From:         Origamido - Michael G. LaFosse[SMTP:info@origamido.com]
> Reply To:     origami-l@nstn.ca
> Sent:         Saturday, November 22, 1997 6:52 AM
> To:   Multiple recipients of list
> Subject:      Re: Minor Miracle
>
> Lillian Oppenheimer is the answer to your question about the "minor
> miracle".  Once, when I was visiting Lillian in New York city in the
> mid
> 1970's, she explained to me that  she called this maneuver a minor
> miracle both because of the quick transformation of the origami form
> and
> because as you hold the paper in the air, between both hands, it looks
> as if you are in prayer.  She found such expressions useful in
> teaching
> because they caused students to focus and memorize the essentials of
> the
> technique.  These expressions also short-noted procedures so that once
> the students were familiar with the term it would be easy to just say:
> "blintz" the square or "perform a minor miracle on this base".
> Lillian
> often developed colorful and inspired expressions to enliven her
> demonstrations of origami, and it is her style of presentation that
> many
> of us have adopted.
>
> All the Best!
>
> -Michael LaFosse





Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:16:22 -0400 (AST)
From: Penny Groom <penny@sector.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Philip Shen

Does anyone know where Dr Shen has settled in the US and if he has an e-
mail address.

If anyone has his phone number and home address please send it to me
PRIVATELY. I've got a small pile of BOS magazines that I've been keeping
for him since he left Hong Kong waiting for an address to send them to.

Thanks

Penny
------------------------------------------
Penny Groom                Membership Secretary
                           British Origami Society
penny@sector.demon.co.uk
Stairwell's homepage.
http://www.sector.demon.co.uk/index.htm
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:08:17 -0400 (AST)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: _Triceratops_ Diagrams

Hi All!  -

        I have uploaded the postscript version of my _Triceratops_ diagrams
binhexed (they have that .hqx suffix) except the first two pages (I don't
know why).  If that's a problem, I can re-upload them without the
binhexing.  Two failed upload attempts left very small (memory-wise)
versions of pages 1 and 3 in there; don't use those.  The Acrobat (.pdf)
version will be there soon.

        I encourage people of all folding levels to download the diagrams
and attempt the model.  I have tried to diagram it in such a way that many
of the complicated 3-D moves are easy to visualize, so that a potentially
difficult model is rendered easier, so I hope that you need not be an
advanced folder to successfully complete the model.  If you have a few
moments, please let me know both generally and specifically those things
you like and dislike about both the diagrams and the text (particularly
things I could add to make it clearer).  Enjoy!





Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:17:52 -0400 (AST)
From: GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU
Subject: RE: Minor Miracle

Does anyone else remember Lillian saying that Gershon Legman coined this
term as well as blintz?

Rona





Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:21:20 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ultranet.ca>
Subject: Re: _Triceratops_ Diagrams

>        I have uploaded the postscript version of my _Triceratops_ diagrams
>to the ftp site; they're in the "incoming" folder.  Most of them have been
>binhexed (they have that .hqx suffix) except the first two pages (I don't
>know why).  If that's a problem, I can re-upload them without the
>binhexing.  Two failed upload attempts left very small (memory-wise)
>versions of pages 1 and 3 in there; don't use those.  The Acrobat (.pdf)
>version will be there soon.

Yes, please just upload them as "raw data". (Since you mention "binhex", I
assume you're on a Mac and are using Fetch to transfer the files.) Binhex
is a pain.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Producer, DNA Productions Inc.
t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: joseph@dna.bc.ca





Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:19:26 -0400 (AST)
From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@ahand.unicamp.br>
Subject: Re: _Triceratops_ Diagrams

Well, Jerry asked for comments, but unfortunately my first remarks
does not apply to either model or diagramming :( :
- please do not use Mac-styled filenames with whitespace or other
  "exotic" characters, that could make other ftp clients/file systems
  upset.
- do we have to wait for Marten to clear access permissions (right now
  the files are not readable anonymously)?

        Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:58:37 -0400 (AST)
From: jaelle <jaelle1@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: Delivery by Libraries

DonnaJowal@aol.com wrote:

Thank you ... will call them today.

Jaelle

> I would guess that the national ADA (Americans
> with Disabilities Act)
> regulations would require that libraries which
> receive public money provide
> access to books for disabled people, including
> delivery if there is no other
> way for a person to get them.  This doesn't seem
> to be any different than
> providing ramps for wheelchair access  or books
> in braille or on tape.   I
> would suggest that Jaelle and anyone else who
> has this problem call the ADA
> hotline at 1-800-USA-ABLE.  Perhaps they will
> have some insight on how to
> deal with this issue.
>
> Donna Walcavage





Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:00:49 -0400 (AST)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: _Triceratops_ Diagrams

Yes, yes & yes:

I asked previously that people use PC compatible 8.3 style
file names (and that means numerals, letters, underscore & hyphen
only; numerals and letters are even safer) when naming contributed
and or emailed files; please no MAC or Windows95/NT style long
file names...

Yes, files must be pre-announced to the archivist by email and
then checked and moved by him to the proper directory before
they are accessible by anonymous ftp.

valerie





Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:53:56 -0400 (AST)
From: Cathy <cathypl@generation.net>
Subject: Sci-Fi spaceships

Hi!  A few people asked about Dominique's spaceships, I thought you might
want to have a look at them.  Dom is new at origami but learning fast!

                                    Cathy

>X-Sender: draken@mail.odyssee.net
>Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 19:30:13 -0500
>To: Cathy <cathypl@generation.net>
>From: draken@odyssee.net (Dominique Durocher)

.................Please mention to anyone who wanted to know that I put up
pictures of my
>origami ship on my web page.........
>Bye
>
>Dom
>
>Dominique Durocher      | Lair of the Drake
>   draken@odyssee.net   |   http://www.odyssee.net/~draken/index.html
>SF Model Builder's Assn | SF Model Builder's Association
>                        |   http://www.newfrontier.on.ca
>  Making something idiot-proof just breeds better idiots.
>
>
>
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:59:03 -0400 (AST)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Re: _Triceratops_ Diagrams

>Well, Jerry asked for comments, but unfortunately my first remarks
>does not apply to either model or diagramming :( :
>- please do not use Mac-styled filenames with whitespace or other
>  "exotic" characters, that could make other ftp clients/file systems
>  upset.

        I didn't think about that...is it possible to change the names once
they're on the server, or do I have to re-upload them with new, 6-character
names?  (And do the 6-characters have to include the suffixes?)

>- do we have to wait for Marten to clear access permissions (right now
>  the files are not readable anonymously)?

        Hmmmm...I'm not sure about this problem -- is it a problem logging
into the site?  I found that if you just put in your e-mail address as a
password, it lets you in.  Or is this something else?





Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:06:47 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ultranet.ca>
Subject: Re: Sci-Fi spaceships

>Hi!  A few people asked about Dominique's spaceships, I thought you might
>want to have a look at them.  Dom is new at origami but learning fast!

The exact page is <http://www.odyssee.net/~draken/draken/origami.html>.

The X-wing shown is more-or-less the same as my old one.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Producer, DNA Productions Inc.
t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: joseph@dna.bc.ca





Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:11:35 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ultranet.ca>
Subject: Re: _Triceratops_ Diagrams

>>Well, Jerry asked for comments, but unfortunately my first remarks
>>does not apply to either model or diagramming :( :
>>- please do not use Mac-styled filenames with whitespace or other
>>  "exotic" characters, that could make other ftp clients/file systems
>>  upset.
>
>        I didn't think about that...is it possible to change the names once
>they're on the server, or do I have to re-upload them with new, 6-character
>names?  (And do the 6-characters have to include the suffixes?)

That should be 8 characters plus a 3 character extension. Something like

FILENAME.EXT

So, for a Postscript file, it would be something like

tricera1.ps
tricera2.ps
..
triceraN.ps

[Aside: I like Macs, although I'm more comfortable with PCs and Unix, but
why do they have to be so networking unfriendly? Incompatible text file
format, incompatible file architecture, incompatible binary encoding,
etc...]

>>- do we have to wait for Marten to clear access permissions (right now
>>  the files are not readable anonymously)?
>
>        Hmmmm...I'm not sure about this problem -- is it a problem logging
>into the site?  I found that if you just put in your e-mail address as a
>password, it lets you in.  Or is this something else?

Maarten needs to move stuff to the right location before we can download again.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Producer, DNA Productions Inc.
t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: joseph@dna.bc.ca





Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:37:37 -0400 (AST)
From: Cathy <cathypl@generation.net>
Subject: Re: Sci-Fi spaceships

Dom made the X-wing from the frog base--I think he was first shown how to
fold it at World Con (Conadian, eh) .  He had to work it out again when he
got home since he was not given any printed directions.  I've seen
something very similar elsewhere, too.  When you know the frog base, the
analogy!!

                                   Cathy

At 06:08 PM 1997/11/24 -0400, you wrote:
>>Hi!  A few people asked about Dominique's spaceships, I thought you might
>>want to have a look at them.  Dom is new at origami but learning fast!
>
>The exact page is <http://www.odyssee.net/~draken/draken/origami.html>.
>
>The X-wing shown is more-or-less the same as my old one.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>Joseph Wu, Producer, DNA Productions Inc.
>t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: joseph@dna.bc.ca
>
>
>
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:14:23 -0400 (AST)
From: Richard of Foong <ryf@ecr.mu.oz.au>
Subject: Re: an alternative to spray glue?

On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, morpha wrote:

> <snip>   Uhu Stic Color from Germany that rubs on purple and dries
> clear.
>
> I have used glue sticks (including Uhu Stic Color) for non-origami
> projects and have found that the glue does eventually deteriorate after
> a year or so.
>
> It would be nice to find a less toxic and invasive alternative to spray
> adhesives.
>
> Morpha
>

What about wallpaper paste? If this has already been mentioned, pretend i
didn't say anything at all.

Rich.





Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:17:02 -0400 (AST)
From: youngcj@ix.netcom.com (Carole Young)
Subject: Re: _Triceratops_ Diagrams

Novice me please.  How do I get to the ftp site?

Carole

You wrote:
>
>Hi All!  -
>
>        I have uploaded the postscript version of my _Triceratops_
diagrams
>to the ftp site; they're in the "incoming" folder.  Most of them have
been
>binhexed (they have that .hqx suffix) except the first two pages (I
don't
>know why).  If that's a problem, I can re-upload them without the
>binhexing.  Two failed upload attempts left very small (memory-wise)
>versions of pages 1 and 3 in there; don't use those.  The Acrobat
(.pdf)
>version will be there soon.
>
>        I encourage people of all folding levels to download the
diagrams
>and attempt the model.  I have tried to diagram it in such a way that
many
>of the complicated 3-D moves are easy to visualize, so that a
potentially
>difficult model is rendered easier, so I hope that you need not be an
>advanced folder to successfully complete the model.  If you have a few
>moments, please let me know both generally and specifically those
things
>you like and dislike about both the diagrams and the text
(particularly
>things I could add to make it clearer).  Enjoy!





Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:31:44 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: Delivery by Libraries

----------
> From: jaelle <jaelle1@swbell.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject: Delivery by Libraries
> Date: Monday, November 24, 1997 4:00 PM
>

I was a Boy Scout about 30 years ago. I guess being helpful is still part
of their motto. Maybe contact a local Boy Scout group and see if any of the
young leaders of tomorrow can lend a hand today. Just a thought.

BYE  => Jeff Kerwood
jkerwood@usaor.net





Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:41:41 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: an alternative to spray glue?

"What about wallpaper paste?" as in, "I've tried it and it's great and
everyone does or should know about it?"  Or, "What about wallpaper paste?"
as in, "Sounds like it might work, has anybody tried it?"

BYE -Jeff Kerwood
jkerwood@usaor.net

----------
> From: Richard of Foong <ryf@ecr.mu.oz.au>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject: Re: an alternative to spray glue?
> Date: Monday, November 24, 1997 6:15 PM
>
> On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, morpha wrote:
>
> > <snip>   Uhu Stic Color from Germany that rubs on purple and dries
> > clear.
> >
> > I have used glue sticks (including Uhu Stic Color) for non-origami
> > projects and have found that the glue does eventually deteriorate after
> > a year or so.
> >
> > It would be nice to find a less toxic and invasive alternative to spray
> > adhesives.
> >
> > Morpha
> >
>
>
> What about wallpaper paste? If this has already been mentioned, pretend i
> didn't say anything at all.
>
> Rich.





Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:53:07 -0400 (AST)
From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@pb.net>
Subject: PCOC videotape

I received a few requests for information regarding the videotape made by
Bianca Chang at PCOC. The tape runs for 55 minutes. It contains some nice shots
of the exhibition, a bit of the model menu and most of the entertainment.
including both the indoor and outdoor portions of Jeremy Shaeffer's
performance.

Bianca says that she will be glad to send copies to anyone for a $20 fee
including shipping. Bianca has raised a few of thousand dollars for charity
through her origami card and mobile sales. She will donate all proceeds from
this tape to charity also.

If you'd like a copy, please send your check directly to her at:

    Ms. Bianca Chang
    37 Schwab Road
    Melville, NY 11747-1114

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:07:54 -0400 (AST)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Re: _Triceratops_ Diagrams

>>        I didn't think about that...is it possible to change the names once
>>they're on the server, or do I have to re-upload them with new, 6-character
>>names?  (And do the 6-characters have to include the suffixes?)
>
>That should be 8 characters plus a 3 character extension. Something like
>
>FILENAME.EXT
>
>So, for a Postscript file, it would be something like
>
>tricera1.ps
>tricera2.ps
>..
>triceraN.ps

        OK -- I have asked Maarten to delete the files I have in there now
files tomorrow, and I will name them:

Tricer01.ps
Tricer02.ps
.
.
.
Tricer11.ps

..so everyone will be able to see them, hopefully without conflict!  I
apologize to everyone for any confusion and/or frustration I have
inadvertently caused.  While I'm fairly well versed with computers (well,
with Macs, at any rate), uploading to an ftp site accesed by multiple
platforms is new to me!  Ah, someday we'll have a joyous world, where
there's only one, easy-to-use computer platform, and we can all access it
with plain English commands by tapping our comm badges...  ;-D

                _,_
           ____/_\,)                    ..  _
--____-===(  _\/                         \\/ \-----_---__
           /\  '                        ^__/>/\____\--------
__________/__\_ ____________________________.//__.//_________

Jerry D. Harris                       (214) 768-2750
Dept. of Geological Sciences          FAX:  768-2701
Southern Methodist University
Box 750395                            jdharris@post.smu.edu
Dallas  TX  75275-0395                (Compuserve:  102354,2222)

"Science _does_ have all the answers -- we just don't have all
the science."
                        -- James Morrow





Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:13:14 -0400 (AST)
From: reeds@openix.com (Reeds Family)
Subject: Re: Delivery by Libraries--more suggestions for Jaelle

Jaelle

Please do let us know what luck you have iwth the hotline for the Americans
for Disabilities Act. Meanwhile,  I've sent a message to the national
office of Friends of Libraries USA (FOLUSA) asking to be put in touch with
some Friend in Dallas who might be more helpful.

And more immediately useful--I called the ORigami USA office. Origami USA
runs a Lending Library for its members. You send in a request form with a
check for the small fee (less than $5, I think) to cover handling; they
send you the book. You return it within 3 weeks. If you are not a member,
you can join via WWW at http://www.origami-usa.org/intro2.htm (and follow
up with a check for $25, for USA residents), or write to them at
OrigamiUSA
15 W. 77th Street
New York NY 10024-5192
212--769-5635

Maria velasquez is named as the OrigamiUSA library: maria@origami-usa.org

I think my OrigamiUSA membership is one of the great bargains of the world.

Good luck and lots of happy folding!
Karen
reeds@openix.com





Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:47:24 -0400 (AST)
From: jaelle <jaelle1@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: Delivery by Libraries--more suggestions for Jaelle

Reeds Family wrote:

> Jaelle
>
> Please do let us know what luck you have iwth
> the hotline for the Americans
> for Disabilities Act. Meanwhile,  I've sent a
> message to the national
> office of Friends of Libraries USA (FOLUSA)
> asking to be put in touch with
> some Friend in Dallas who might be more helpful.

Thank you I will let you know what happens (
smile)

>
>
> And more immediately useful--I called the
> ORigami USA office. Origami USA
> runs a Lending Library for its members. You send
> in a request form with a
> check for the small fee (less than $5, I think)
> to cover handling; they
> send you the book. You return it within 3 weeks.
> If you are not a member,
> you can join via WWW at
> http://www.origami-usa.org/intro2.htm (and
> follow
> up with a check for $25, for USA residents), or
> write to them at
> OrigamiUSA
> 15 W. 77th Street
> New York NY 10024-5192
> 212--769-5635
>
> Maria velasquez is named as the OrigamiUSA
> library: maria@origami-usa.org
>

And thank you again! I will check that out as soon
as I save that much! Sounds likea great
investment!!!!!

> I think my OrigamiUSA membership is one of the
> great bargains of the world.
>
> Bright Blessings new friend

Jaelle





Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:51:05 -0400 (AST)
From: Sy Chen <sychen@erols.com>
Subject: FTP (Re: _Triceratops_ Diagrams)

Most of the web browsers can handle ftp now. Don't worry about its usage.
Just point your browser to
ftp://ftp.rug.nl/origami/models/index.htm
But be patient to wait for Maarten to relocate the files.

|------------------------------------------------------\
|  _   Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) <sychen@erols.com>     |\
| |_| Folding http://www.erols.com/sychen1/pprfld.html --\
|---------------------------------------------------------|

At 07:17 PM 11/24/97 -0400, Carole wrote:
>Novice me please.  How do I get to the ftp site?
>
>Carole
>
>You wrote:





Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:55:04 -0400 (AST)
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: an alternative to spray glue?

At 08:41 PM 11/24/97 -0400,"Jeff Kerwood" <jkerwood@usaor.net> wrote:
>"What about wallpaper paste?" as in, "I've tried it and it's great and
>everyone does or should know about it?"  Or, "What about wallpaper paste?"
>as in, "Sounds like it might work, has anybody tried it?"

Wallpaper paste is great, albeit only for porous materials. The "purer"
form, methel cellulouse, can be found in hardware stores, and for a little
more money, in art suppply stores as well (it can also be found in the
mucous of those "Alien: creatures, as well as in fast-food milkshakes).
There is a technique called backcoating that employs this glue to bond two
sheets of paper together. It can also be used as an aid for wetfolding. It
does NOT do a great job of bonding foil to paper. However, I have used the
paste as a patching agent on my foil-backed papers, for those VERY, VERY,
VERY rare occasions I make a mistake (yeah, I wish I were so perfect). So
far, spray adhesive is the best way to adhere paper to foil (safety issues
aside), but I am investigating that rollataq alternative. I will keep you
all posted on the results.

Marc





Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 00:35:46 -0400 (AST)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: _Triceratops_ Diagrams

Yes, the Tower of Babel is alive and well in
computer land still...

But be thankful for Postscript and PDF: they're
not usuable by everybody, but probably about 99%
of us can access one or the other...

valerie





Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 04:37:48 -0400 (AST)
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Re: Mythical Beings (was Prehistoric Animals)

> However, I have successfully
> managed Robert Lang's Shiva and Alvarez's Daedalus is superb.
> My complaint about the book is that to me, some of the photographs
> look like crumpled tissue paper and do not do the models any
> justice.
> ...[snip]...
> I had the same reaction to the photos. I have been reluctant to
> spend the time on the models when it seemed like the 'expert
> results' were so unappealing.

I should point out that at least some of the photos in the book (Mythical
Beasts) are NOT 'expert results', and in the case of the 'Shiva' model, the
photo in the book is only vaguely representative of what this model looks
like when folded properly.

Robert J. Lang
rjlang@aol.com





Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 05:00:15 -0400 (AST)
From: jpl@www.barclab.com
Subject: Re: Mythical Beings

Chinh Nguyen stated :

| The Daedulus/Icarus model isn't that bad.  Most of it is fairly logical,
| no tricky folds or anything.  The hardest thing about it is the subtle
| shaping required to give the model a graceful human figure.

And thusly encouraged, I sat me down yesterday, stared long and hard at the
book, and started to fold. You're right, once I got over my fear of diagrams
(and experimented a bit), I was able to proceed to a structure with recogni-
sable wings and limbs. I can shape those - just takes practice and better
fingers. Thanks for the push!

However, I couldn't get past the head. I suspect I will need to learn a few
more models with sinks before I get a feel for those. As it is, I ended up
with a hummingbird - much better than I thought I'd do. It's going to take
a certain amount of willpower not to spend my day at work going over the
model again :)

--
 Jurgen Pletinckx                           BARC
 Tel +32 9 220 49 81         Fax +32 9 221 85 17
 jpl@barclab.be    Not speaking for my employers
 Industriepark Zwijnaarde 7, B9052 Gent, Belgium





Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 05:46:18 -0400 (AST)
From: Paul Vandine <pvandine@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: PCOC videotape

> She will donate all proceeds from
> this tape to charity also.
>
> If you'd like a copy, please send your check directly to her at:
>
>     Ms. Bianca Chang
>     37 Schwab Road
>     Melville, NY 11747-1114
>
>
> Rachel Katz
> Origami - it's not just for squares!
>

Thank you Rachel for being so quick at getting back with the info!  I
think $20 is more than fair, to see 55 mins of the "Best of PCOC '97"
Hey that sounds like a good title!! ;-)

Laterz

Paul

---

World Peace Through Origami
__________________________________________________________________
Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com





Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 07:44:38 -0400 (AST)
From: jaelle <jaelle1@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: Delivery by Libraries

Jeff Kerwood wrote:

> ----------
> > From: jaelle <jaelle1@swbell.net>
> > To: Multiple recipients of list
> <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> > Subject: Delivery by Libraries
> > Date: Monday, November 24, 1997 4:00 PM
> >
>
> I was a Boy Scout about 30 years ago. I guess
> being helpful is still part
> of their motto. Maybe contact a local Boy Scout
> group and see if any of the
> young leaders of tomorrow can lend a hand today.
> Just a thought.
>
> BYE  => Jeff Kerwood
> jkerwood@usaor.net

   What a great idea!! Thank you !
Will do that ..

Bright Blessings
Gail





Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:14:35 -0400 (AST)
From: Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
Subject: Re: Mythical Beings

On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 jpl@www.barclab.com wrote:

> However, I couldn't get past the head. I suspect I will need to learn a few
> more models with sinks before I get a feel for those. As it is, I ended up
> with a hummingbird - much better than I thought I'd do. It's going to take
> a certain amount of willpower not to spend my day at work going over the
> model again :)

It's not entirely clear in the diagrams, and I got stuck on the head for
awhile.  If you've done Montroll's Archaeopteryx, the style is similar.
Initially I tried to crimp it to make it look like the diagrams; actually,
it's easier to reverse fold the head, then slide down the top layer.
You'll see what I mean.  Once the layers are spread, it's easier to sink
the tip.

--Chinh Nguyen chinhsta@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu

"I was never more hated than when I tried to be honest.  Or when, even as
        just now I've tried to articulate exactly what I felt to be the
        truth."  -- Ralph Ellison, _The Invisible Man_





Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:47:48 -0400 (AST)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Re: _Triceratops_ Diagrams

>Yes, please just upload them as "raw data". (Since you mention "binhex", I
>assume you're on a Mac and are using Fetch to transfer the files.) Binhex
>is a pain.

        As of now, the diagrams are uploaded in plain postscript.  I have
put them in as:

Tritop01
Tritop02
.
.
.
Tritop11

        Hopefully, they should be available tto everyone shortly.  An
Acrobat .pdf version will be uploaded soon.





Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:18:55 -0400 (AST)
From: JacAlArt@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Re: _Triceratops_ Diagrams

Tried to d/l them from ftp site. They're in the INCOMING folder. When I tried
there a way I can d/l them?

~Alec





Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:56:16 -0400 (AST)
From: Sy Chen <sychen@erols.com>
Subject: Re: _Triceratops_ Diagrams

You have to wait for Maarten to relocate the files and change the access
right. You got to beg Harris if you can't wait.

|------------------------------------------------------\
|  _   Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) <sychen@erols.com>     |\
| |_| Folding http://www.erols.com/sychen1/pprfld.html --\
|---------------------------------------------------------|

At 09:19 PM 11/25/97 -0400, Alec wrote:
>Tried to d/l them from ftp site. They're in the INCOMING folder. When I tried
>to down them, it said "ACCESS DENIED". Can someone e-mail them to me -- or is
>there a way I can d/l them?
>
>~Alec





Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 22:29:59 -0400 (AST)
From: Simon Burchill <Simon.Burchill@jcu.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Minor miracles

Could it be that the miraculous aspect of some folding steps in notorious
models, such as the knight on horseback, stems more from the difficulty
folders face in decoding and understanding the instructions embedded in
the diagrams than the actual manipulations needed to perform the fold? I
do not wish to denigrate the artistic merit of the 'miraculous' models in
older texts, but it seems to me that the superior diagrams and well
thought out pre-creasing strategies provided in many modern books
contribute greatly in bringing complicated and hard to perform manouvres
within the grasp of many paper tyros.

Therefore, should not the perspiration and frustration forgone in the
quick and painless folding of well diagramed models be more indicative of
the presense of origami miracles, minor or otherwise?

Simon.





Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:52:38 -0400 (AST)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: Diagrams in FTP archives

You have to wait until the archivist checks the
files and places them in the proper directory
for public access.

The incoming directory was being mis-used by
hackers, and is now closed to downloads, and
any uploads must be announced to the archivist
by the sender or they will be deleted from
the incoming directory.

I would suggest that uploaders in future wait
until their files have been acknowledged by the
archivist and placed in the public directories
before announcing to the origami-L that the
diagrams are available.

Also that all you dinosaur fans out there take
a deep breath, count to 10000000 (or fold 900
sonobe units, whichever takes longer), and try
being a little patient. The archivist *does*
have a regular job after all. :-) And takes
vacations and goes to origami conferences and
other stuff.

FYI: the ftp/archive site of the origami-L has
nothing to do with the listserver operation; it
is a privately, individually, generously maintained
operation by a volunteer (the "archivist", Maarten
vanGelder), and housed free of charge to us all
on the computers of an educational facility in
the Netherlands.

valerie





Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 00:17:47 -0400 (AST)
From: morpha <morpha@columbia-pacific.interrain.org>
Subject: Re: an alternative to spray glue?

> My dyslexia is showing...the URL is
>
>     http://www.daige.com/rollataq.htm

Thanks, Kalei.  I got through just fine this time.  Rollotac looks neat.

Morpha





Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 01:02:12 -0400 (AST)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Re: _Triceratops_ Diagrams

>You have to wait for Maarten to relocate the files and change the access
>right. You got to beg Harris if you can't wait.

        Please, please, _please_ call me Jerry!  Not only do I dislike
being called by last name, but I find that being on a first-name basis is
easier amongst friends, and I would much rather be a friend to all other
folders than anything else!

        I do not intend this to sound pushy or impatient, but I am not
certain how long it generally takes for incoming files to be bumped to a
public downloadable area, but if it is more than a few days, I'd be happy
to send the files by e-mail.

                _,_
           ____/_\,)                    ..  _
--____-===(  _\/                         \\/ \-----_---__
           /\  '                        ^__/>/\____\--------
__________/__\_ ____________________________.//__.//_________

Jerry D. Harris                       (214) 768-2750
Dept. of Geological Sciences          FAX:  768-2701
Southern Methodist University
Box 750395                            jdharris@post.smu.edu
Dallas  TX  75275-0395                (Compuserve:  102354,2222)

"Science _does_ have all the answers -- we just don't have all
the science."
                        -- James Morrow





Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 07:00:31 -0400 (AST)
From: jaelle <jaelle1@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: Delivery by Libraries--more suggestions for Jaelle

Karen

I really dislike posting public for a private
email but there seems to be no other
way ot handle it.

My appologies to the rest of the list.

I got you email about the book but when I try to
send to the address it gets
returned  as undeliverable ( sad frown)

Have tried three times and each time it comes
back.

Please send again so i can make sure I have the
right email address.

Thank you

Gail aka Jaelle





Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:14:10 -0400 (AST)
From: youngcj@ix.netcom.com (Carole Young)
Subject: Re: Diagrams in FTP archives

Just a note about the excitement over new diagrams.  Even though a
number of people have gotten anxious about seeing new diagrams.  I bet
some of us newbies learned a lot about (1) the site, how to access, (2)
the process of getting diagrams into it, (3) group enthusiasm about new
diagrams.  With the help of many, I got into the site and was delighted
with the list.  I didn't even know it existed (Newbie, newbie).

Carole





Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:51:08 -0400 (AST)
From: Maarten van Gelder <M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: Re: _Triceratops_ Diagrams

m> You have to wait for Maarten to relocate the files and change the access
m> right.

Well, they are there. Have a look with FTP in the models/tritops directory.
Or try via the URL http://www.rug.nl/rugcis/rc/ftp/origami
and select 'Models in PostScript' / 'Triceratops'.

Maarten van Gelder,           RC-ICT RuG,      RijksUniversiteit Groningen
M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl                       Nederland





Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:07:12 -0400 (AST)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Re: Diagrams in FTP archives

>Just a note about the excitement over new diagrams.  Even though a
>number of people have gotten anxious about seeing new diagrams.  I bet
>some of us newbies learned a lot about (1) the site, how to access, (2)
>the process of getting diagrams into it, (3) group enthusiasm about new
>diagrams.  With the help of many, I got into the site and was delighted
>with the list.  I didn't even know it existed (Newbie, newbie).

Hi Carole -

        I tried to respond to your last e-mail, but just last night it came
back to me as undeliverable.  Here's the body of that message, though, in
hopes that this try will come through!

----------------------------------------------------------------

 Well, that would depend on the nature of your internet connection.
If you have a SLIP, PPP, or ISDN connection (that is, you have a connection
that allows you to use third-party software such as Netscape or MS Internet
Explorer and other programs), then you need a dedicated ftp program.  I'm
using a Macintosh; programs available for a Mac include Anarchie and Fetch
(I use Fetch, myself).  There are Windows programs available, too, but I
don't know names -- if you've got a web browser, you could use a search
engine to find a site with suitable programs.  Most of them should come
with on-line help to show you how to use them.

        If you only have a shell connection (and are using ELM or PINE for
e-mail), there is a way to get to an ftp site, but I am unfamiliar with it.
You might check with the people who manage your system for some help.  8-C
Good luck!

----------------------------------------------------------------

                _,_
           ____/_\,)                    ..  _
--____-===(  _\/                         \\/ \-----_---__
           /\  '                        ^__/>/\____\--------
__________/__\_ ____________________________.//__.//_________

Jerry D. Harris                       (214) 768-2750
Dept. of Geological Sciences          FAX:  768-2701
Southern Methodist University
Box 750395                            jdharris@post.smu.edu
Dallas  TX  75275-0395                (Compuserve:  102354,2222)

"Science _does_ have all the answers -- we just don't have all
the science."
                        -- James Morrow





Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:51:32 -0400 (AST)
From: Bruce Stephens <B.Stephens@isode.com>
Subject: Re: Diagrams in FTP archives

jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu said:
> Well, that would depend on the nature of your internet connection. If
> you have a SLIP, PPP, or ISDN connection (that is, you have a
> connection that allows you to use third-party software such as
> Netscape or MS Internet Explorer and other programs), then you need a
> dedicated ftp program.

This is not necessary.  Netscape can speak ftp, and I assume IE can too.  In
addition, I think all the models are also available by http.  If you already
have a web browser, you almost certainly won't need a separate ftp program.
(Such a program might be better than your web browser for ftp, of course, but
that's not likely to matter much just for getting half a few postscript files.)

ObOrigami.  The Post Office (UK) had an advert in one or other of the Sunday
papers including an origami model and the top part of the diagrams, with the
creator's name and "British Origami Society" clearly visible.  Don't know who
in the BOS was responsible for this, but it was a nice advert.





Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:31:37 -0400 (AST)
From: Ariel <syn08@dataphone.se>
Subject: Re: Minor miracles

>Could it be that the miraculous aspect of some folding steps in notorious
>models, such as the knight on horseback, stems more from the difficulty
>folders face in decoding and understanding the instructions embedded in
>the diagrams than the actual manipulations needed to perform the fold?

YES.

I have experienced the same.

I came to think that the classification between simple, medium, or
complicated/advanced in foldings are more related to the "crypticity" of
the instructions more than the folding itself.

Sometimes, in order to spare drawings they put instructions such as
" squash after double rabbit ear " and then you need a team of engineers to
find out what it meant, mostly something that could have been easily shown
in 3 or 4 more drawings.

I came to think that if, when you are folding following instrucctions, you
need to take a look to a drawing for more than 20 seconds, then it is
un-necessarily cryptic.

Comments ?





Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:20:40 -0400 (AST)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: Getting to the Archives

If you have a web browser, you can find several links to
the archive site by starting at Joseph Wu's Monumental
Origami Mother Ship home page; several of us have links
to the archive on our origami pages.

But if you want to go direct with your browser use:

ftp://rugcis.rug.nl/origami/index.htm

Note the difference in the first of the URL:
ftp://     not    http://

There are several alternates to "http"; sometime
when you feel like exploring, experiment with using
ftp:// followed by ftp.   and various educational
or technical support site names.

valerie





Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:41:06 -0400 (AST)
From: RA Kennedy <kennedra@isdugp.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Post Office (UK)

> ObOrigami.  The Post Office (UK) had an advert in one or other of the Sunday
> papers including an origami model and the top part of the diagrams, with the
> creator's name and "British Origami Society" clearly visible.  Don't know who
> in the BOS was responsible for this, but it was a nice advert.

This advert also appeared in the Times on Saturday, 15 November. The model
was Fred Rohm's (hope I spelt that correctly!) Turkey. The object of the
advert was to encourage all in the UK to write to our American friends, for
the Thanksgiving holiday.

Richard K
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 19:49:54 -0400 (AST)
From: Michel Bartolone <bartolon@execpc.com>
Subject: Libraries and deliveries ((NO)

  Hi Jaelle! Its been a while since I talked to you.

I wanted to say that some of the ideas for delivery have
been GREAT, but I do want people to realize that libraries
usually have VERY tight bugets! Don't expect the library to
offer the delivery, but definitely look for a local service
group (the Boy Scouts, Rotary Club, Friends of the Library)
to help out. Remember, the library doesn't usually bring in
significant amounts of money, and has fairly significant outlays
such as the cost of building maintenance, heat, light, A/C,
replacing books, buying new books, and the salaries of those
helpful librarians.

So, please don't go after the library to provide, but see if
someone else can HELP by doing this for the library!

Michel





Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 20:48:23 -0400 (AST)
From: jaelle <jaelle1@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: Libraries and deliveries ((NO)

Michel Bartolone wrote:

>   Hi Jaelle! Its been a while since I talked to
> you.
>
> I wanted to say that some of the ideas for
> delivery have
> been GREAT, but I do want people to realize that
> libraries
> usually have VERY tight bugets! Don't expect the
> library to
> offer the delivery, but definitely look for a
> local service
> group (the Boy Scouts, Rotary Club, Friends of
> the Library)
> to help out. Remember, the library doesn't
> usually bring in
> significant amounts of money, and has fairly
> significant outlays
> such as the cost of building maintenance, heat,
> light, A/C,
> replacing books, buying new books, and the
> salaries of those
> helpful librarians.
>
> So, please don't go after the library to
> provide, but see if
> someone else can HELP by doing this for the
> library!
>
> Michel

Hi Michel,

     Nice to talk with you again!
Yes I know the cost of the libraries. There are
volunteers who
do things for the libraries here and in other
towns I have lived
getting books to homebound were one of things the
volunteers
do. Here tho it seems the volunteers do not help
with that.

I have contacted the BoyScouts here. There is a
HUGE  HQ for them
in Dallas. I was quite impressed. They are going
to see if they can help.

Will let you all know.

Thank you all for your suggestions and comments
and concern,

There are such NICE people here!!!!
Folders are great!!!!

Thank you again dear people

Walk in light and harmony
Gail





Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 21:35:59 -0400 (AST)
From: jaelle <jaelle1@swbell.net>
Subject: IRC Chat

Hello everyone,

Have a question.
I have been to the IRC chat room #Fold several
times and
have never found anyone there.
Is it no longer registered? Is there no ops to
keep it open?

Or has there just not been anyone who wants to
talk?

Thanks

Gail





Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 21:46:35 -0400 (AST)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: Diagrams in FTP archives

Jerry,
At 11.08 26/11/1997 -0400, you wrote:

(snip)
>then you need a dedicated ftp program.  I'm
>using a Macintosh; programs available for a Mac include Anarchie and Fetch
>(I use Fetch, myself).  There are Windows programs available, too, but I
>don't know names

WS_FTP..... what better ? Look in the download page for the "limited
edition" (Win 3.1x or Win95):

http://www.ipswitch.com

Fully functional shareware (free for home users !). Great stuff !

Roberto
         _\|/_
        ( o o )
=====-oOO-(_)-OOo-========+
Roberto Morassi           |
Via Palestro 11           |  Please DON'T quote my full
51100 PISTOIA             |  message in reply... I KNOW
ITALY                     |  what I have written ! :-)
tel & fax (+)39-573-20436 |
E-mail <morassi@zen.it>   |





Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 23:38:13 -0400 (AST)
From: steve179@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: Minor miracles

On 11/26/97 12:31:42 you wrote:
>
>>Could it be that the miraculous aspect of some folding steps in notorious
>>models, such as the knight on horseback, stems more from the difficulty
>>folders face in decoding and understanding the instructions embedded in
>>the diagrams than the actual manipulations needed to perform the fold?
>
>YES.
>
>I have experienced the same.
>
>I came to think that the classification between simple, medium, or
>complicated/advanced in foldings are more related to the "crypticity" of
>the instructions more than the folding itself.
>
>Sometimes, in order to spare drawings they put instructions such as
>" squash after double rabbit ear " and then you need a team of engineers to
>find out what it meant, mostly something that could have been easily shown
>in 3 or 4 more drawings.
>
>I came to think that if, when you are folding following instrucctions, you
>need to take a look to a drawing for more than 20 seconds, then it is
>un-necessarily cryptic.
>
>
>Comments ?
>
>

I agree. But perhaps instead of 3 or 4 more diagrams ( per cryptic part) it
might do to have , say, footnotes or some sort of additional
written in words rather than drawn in pictures explanation.





Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 10:08:42 -0400 (AST)
From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@ahand.unicamp.br>
Subject: Well done, Jerry! Was: _Triceratops_ Diagrams

Yes! After five hours downloading and 45 minutes folding I had
quite an acceptable Triceratops prorsus harrisii (sorry Jerry, I'm
not sure about the present status of Ceratopsia taxonomy) in my
hands. Some comments (please note that I did not actually print
the diagrams, just previewed them---I could have missed some fine
details due to low screen resolution):

- Most diagrams are very clear, making text almost unnecessary except
  for a few landmarks and 3-d maneuvers
- I confess that after half a minute I gave up precisely understanding
  diagrams 27-28, but since previous diagrams announced their goal, another
  half minute thinking and fumbling with creases did the trick. It
  reminds me of Maekawa's demon.
- the locks in steps 31-34 are clever, but make the model quite
  thick. Perhaps we could mark them optional?
- although the diagram for step 46 is clear (except that the folds
  should not to go till the central axis), the text is somewhat confusing,
  it mentions "edge of the flap". Well, that flap has _three_ folded
  edges, and only two are landmarks for the new crease
- maybe diagrams 50a-50b should be merged---if I understood well,
  50a is only a zoom in of 50b. The "effect" of 50a does not
  show in 50b, which is confusing IMHO.
- how about replacing "towards the tail" in 51 by "near the tail"? There's
  another word suggesting motion ("forward", I think) right later...
- the crossed arrows for repeat (e.g. 54, 60-63) have hidden heads, are
  too large and distracting. How about clearly showing their heads?

<warning, soapbox mode>
Overall, it is a nice, pleasant to fold, model. In computerspeak, Jerry
has just announced an RFC (request for comments). Computer guys, especially
Unix fans, have come to appreciate publicly-developed software. Look at how
many modern, stable and powerful software packages like the GNU tools, the
Linux kernel, the Apache server and *most* software driving the Internet
were crafted and polished by a cooperative effort of many volunteers.
Since a lot of enthusiasts joined the effort (many knowing would be
their future users), weaknesses were spotted and fixed quickily,
leading to products sometimes safer and cleaner
than commercial ones. My Linux box crashed once in two years, and that due
to a faulty card. Our firewall is up 24 hours a day, 125 days since
the last prolonged power failure.
<down from the soapbox>

Sure, creating origami art is a somewhat different matter---a
model is rarely a collective effort---but polishing a diagram and
making it accessible to everyone's craftmanship surely can be. Of
course, several origami authors ask for revision help while producing
books, but Jerry's request is open to a much broader audience, both
in numbers and range of skill. Thanks for sharing your effort and
allowing us to help your (near?) future book. Where's the line for
beta testers?

        Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 14:47:56 -0400 (AST)
From: "Nancy B. McNitt" <nbm@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: an alternative to spray glue?

Does anyone know the Trade Name(s) for methylcellulose? When I go looking
for it all I can find is Wall Paper size which does not list the contents.
Glenn McNitt

>What about wallpaper paste? If this has already been mentioned, pretend i
>didn't say anything at all.





Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 14:55:24 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ultranet.ca>
Subject: Re: an alternative to spray glue?

>Does anyone know the Trade Name(s) for methylcellulose? When I go looking
>for it all I can find is Wall Paper size which does not list the contents.
>Glenn McNitt
>
>
>>What about wallpaper paste? If this has already been mentioned, pretend i
>>didn't say anything at all.

There's one brand that's called "Methylan Cellulose", but that has
preservatives of some sort in it. (It tastes bitter. Plain m.c. is
tasteless and is used, amongst other things, as a base for cough syrups.)

Why don't you ask Mette or Courtney? They're in your area and they do LOTS
of backcoating with m.c.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Producer, DNA Productions Inc.
t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: joseph@dna.bc.ca





Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 06:34:07 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@usaor.net>
Subject: Creating the Perfect Pentagon - (can it be true?)

If you don't have access to MS Word97 or VISIO, or if you do have a
satisfactory way to cut pentagonal paper, you may prefer not to read this.

For those of you that have read my earlier emails that had to do with math,
you'll be glad this isn't a feeble attempt at some high falutine (sp?)
theoretical topic. What is it? How to cut a perfect (or very nearly so)
pentagonal piece of paper or create a pentagonal template.

First let me say that I have seen the way where you fold the paper and snip
off an end. That's ok for practice stuff but I don't get accurate results
and all the creases make it  impractical for a serious model. I also tried
several "measure and mark it" methods that didn't work well (at least not
for me). Also, I am aware that Bren (at Fascinating Folds) will *soon* (?)
sell pentagonal templates. Personally I have a hard time spending the money
when I don't do many models based on pentagonal paper. But I do
occasionally need some (like after I learn a very cool new model from D'gou
that has an elevated sunken star (I forget it's name or who it's by (thanks
D'gou)). In the passed I have mentioned making a  template by "embossing"
it onto framers matboard. I get OK but not really perfect results from this
method.

OK, enough preamble. In MS Word97 (earlier versions have hexagons but not
pentagons) bring in a pentagonal "AutoShape" (hold the SHIFT key when you
are using  mouse to bring the shape into your doc (this will keep proper
proportions), once the pentagon is in your word doc you can keep proper
proportions by holding down the  SHIFT key when you grab a corner to
resize. There is an option (under Format Autoshape) that you can set to
always keep proper proportions. Now you can use the "Fill  Color" on the
Draw toolbar to add color, texture or pattern. You can Cut and Paste to put
several on a page. If you can do two sided printing you can create duo
pentagons.  IF you are really wild and creative you can add text, Clipart
or a picture. They print with a nice line around the boarder. I use an
exacto and metal ruler to cut just a hairs  width inside this line and it
works great.

>From this point you have three options. You can print and cut out the
pentagon and fold it. You can use the printed pentagon as a
one-time-template by placing it over your  *good* paper then cutting both
out. Or, you can use the printed template as a one-time-template to create
a durable template on framers matboard (I have done this and it  works) or
Plexiglas (I haven't tried this but its gotta work - right?).

I spent a lot of time trying different ways of doing this and this is the
only way I could get creasless perfect pentagons. You can of course do the
same thing with hexagons,  triangles or whatever.

I don't have Visio here but I think you can do the same thing with that.

=========

I would be greatly interested in hearing from others that have found ways
to cut perfect pentagonal paper.

BYE, have a  :-)  day.
Jeff Kerwood
jkerwood@usaor.net





Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 13:52:16 -0400 (AST)
From: Mark Morden <marmonk@eskimo.com>
Subject: PCOC exhibit photos at the Origami Olio

I have added to the Origami Olio a PCOC 97 Exhibition page that contains
photos of many of the models presented at the conference.  I have set up
four galleries for viewing.  The first gallery is Robert Lang models.
Gallery Two has Jeremy Schafer and Herman Van Goubergen models.  Number
three contains Herman Lau dollar bill folds and models by Valerie Vann and
Linda Mahara.  Finally, Gallery Four has a collection models by others who
exhibited. This is by no means all of the models that were there.  It is
instead a sampling based on my prefereces and which photos I had that were
presentable.  I hope you enjoy it.  The address to the Origami Olio is in
the .sig file below.

Mark

Mark Morden == marmonk@mail.eskimo.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~marmonk/
-----------------------------------------
Turst in the Lord with all your heart and
lean not on your own understanding;
In all your ways acknowledge Him and
He will make your paths straight.
                     Proverbs 3:5,6





Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 14:31:40 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ultranet.ca>
Subject: New, improved Origami Archive Search

The new, improved archive search is now available. Much like the web search
engines, you can enter as many search words as you like. It's not perfect,
but it seems to work quite well. Just be sure to restrict your search, or you
might end up with megabytes of data.

To find a specific string of words, simply enclose them in quotes
(single or double). The search will find all messages that contain
any of your search words (OR).
the words that it must find.

To force it to ignore messages containing certain words, place an
exclamation point ("!") in front of those words.

(Note: when using "+" or "!" with words in quotes, place the
symbol inside the quotes.)

For example,

                "+Akira Yoshizawa" wet folding !washi

will find messages that contain "Akira Yoshizawa", might contain "wet",
might contain "folding", and do not contain "washi".

You can find the new search engine at:

http://www.origami.net/cgi-bin/jwu/search_archive.cgi

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 17:55:14 -0400 (AST)
From: Arlene Anderson <aanderso@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us>
Subject: Origami fiction (fwd)

If anyone knows of titles, please email Vicki directly, as well as posting
to Origami-L, as she probably is not on this list.

Arlene Anderson
Information Services
Baltimore County Public Library
Towson MD 21204
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:31:48 -0700
From: VICKI NOVAK <VICKI@LIBRARY.MARICOPA.GOV>
Subject: Origami fiction

Do any of you know of any adult fiction about origami (Japanese paper folding)?
I am presenting an origami program, and I would like to include some fiction
on my bibliography.
Thanks!
-Vicki Novak
 Maricopa County Library District
 Phoenix, AZ
 vicki@library.maricopa.gov
