




Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:15:42 -0400 (AST)
From: Jean Villemaire <villemaire@videotron.ca>
Subject: Arbre de Noel a Montreal

> SANCE DE PLIAGE
> POUR GARNIR L'ARBRE DE NOL DU MUSE DES BEAUX-ARTS

DIMANCHE LE 23 NOVEMBRE
de 13h  16 h
AU CENTRE CULTUREL JAPONAIS-CANADIEN
8155 Rousselot, Montral
( Jarry, entre Christophe-Colomb et Papineau )

Le cot de la salle ( 25$ ) sera partag entre tous ceux, toutes celles qui
se prsenteront.  Plus nous sommes nombreux, plus le cot d'entre sera bas
pour chacun, chacune.

Pour toute information concernant l'arbre du Muse, contactez Hideko Sinto
mailto:origami@francomedia.qc.ca
ou laissez un message aux ateliers Deniko au 679-1273.

Pour toute information concernant les activits d'Origami-Montral, contactez
Jean Villemaire : mailto:villemaire@videotron.ca
ou laissez un message au 272-7749.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> FOLDING SESSION FOR DRESSING
> OF THE MUSEE DES BEAUX-ARTS' X-MAS TREE

SUNDAY NOVEMBER 23rd
from 1:00 to 4:00 p.m.
AT THE JAPANESE-CANADIAN CULTURAL CENTER
8155 Rousselot, Montreal
(come by Jarry, between Christophe-Colomb & Papineau)

25$ cost for using meeting hall will be split among those who will come.  The
more we are, the lowest the entry.

For more information about the Muse's X-mas Tree, contact Hideko Sinto
mailto:origami@francomedia.qc.ca
or leave a message at the Ateliers Deniko, 679-1273.

For more information about Origami-Montreal's activities, contact Jean
Villemaire : mailto:villemaire@videotron.ca
or leave a message, 272-7749.

                    ___________________
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                    |      |0 ,0      |
                    |     /'\   \     |
                    |    |'''|  |     |
                    |    |'  /  /     |
                    |____|  /_ /______|
    Jean Villemaire     |/-/"-"-|       Le harfang des neiges,
   Montral, QUBEC     |       |       emblme aviaire
                     |_______|       du Qubec

              mailto:villemaire@videotron.ca
                   Origami-Montral :
 http://econo1.ecn.ulaval.ca:80/~pgon/origami/origami.html





Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:37:41 -0400 (AST)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Brits only - Demon & ori newsgroups...

Are there any Demon users who have subscribed to the new ori newsgroup?
It doesn't appear on the latest list of newsgroups from there...

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:50:42 -0400 (AST)
From: "NIGEL POTTLE, TEACHER LIBRARIAN, JAMES FOWLER SENIOR HIGH"@Owl.nstn.ca
Subject: Re: an alternative to spray glue?

I have used the Post-it glue to glue tissue to foil and folded an awesome
miniature Robert Lang giraffe about a year ago. It is still my pride and joy.
What is great about the glue is that you can move the tissue around easily if
it is not well positioned. Since it was glued there has you have not positioned
it correctly. I have also not seen any evidence that the glue has deteriorated
although I must admit that the fold is quite secure anyway.

Nigel Pottle
npottle@cbe.ab.ca





Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:51:04 -0400 (AST)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: informacion

Can anyone help?

  ------- Forwarded message follows -------

Necesito saber como obtener mas informacin sobre los origami,

resido en Guayaquil, Ecuador, SudAmerica

Necesito origami para aplicarlos en el ambiente hotelero

--
Sta. Luisa Herrera
Personal
Internet: lherrera@ecua.net.ec

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:51:22 -0400 (AST)
From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@sci.fi>
Subject: Re: Prehistoric Origami model sizes

On 20-Nov-97, Robby/Laura/Lisa (morassi@zen.it) wrote:
>Jorma wrote:

>>>Parasaurolophus  7.1"
>>>Struthiomimus    9.5"
>>>...
>>
>>Note that these lengths were measured like the models could be
>>stretched straight, like living animals would be measured.

>Ehm.... how many of these LIVING animals have you actually measured ????

Personally none, but I know people who claim to have seen these scurrying
around :)

ObOrigami: Is it just me or does any other find diagrams in Jay Ansill's
'Mythical Beings' (Cassell, ISBN 0-304-34148-7) a bit difficult to follow?

Neale's Dragon is fab, I can't stop fancying it.

ObOrigami 2: I just got my copy of Harbin's 'Secrets of Origami' I ordered
around June/July! If you haven't got your copy yet, go and buy it!

--
Jorma "mythical being" Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

They say I'm negative and indifferent, but I refuse to care.





Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:06:59 -0400 (AST)
From: Paul Vandine <pvandine@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: informacion

Para qual ambiente neccesita?? Neccesita animales o que? Tiene usted
dinero a pagar por eso?

Que ambiente tiene?  Quando neccesita??  Por favor digame!

Gracias!

Hasta luego

Pablo (en realidad Paul <g>

===
World Peace Through Origami

---Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Can anyone help?
>
>   ------- Forwarded message follows -------
>
> Necesito saber como obtener mas informacin sobre los origami,
>
> resido en Guayaquil, Ecuador, SudAmerica
>
>
> Necesito origami para aplicarlos en el ambiente hotelero
>
>
> --
> Sta. Luisa Herrera
> Personal
> Internet: lherrera@ecua.net.ec
>
>
> all the best,
>
> Nick Robinson
>
> email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
> homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
> BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/

> RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio
clips!
>

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:32:49 -0400 (AST)
From: Dennis Walker <d_and_m_walker@compuserve.com>
Subject: Mythical Beings (was Prehistoric Animals)

  Jorma asked about difficulty following diagrams in Jay Ansill's Mythical
Beasts.

        I have had the same problem, particularly with the Unicorn which
starts with a few folds to leave a 7 x 9 rectangle. From this point on the
diagrams treat it as a square! Most confusing! However, I have successfully
managed Robert Lang's Shiva and Alvarez's Daedalus is superb.

        My complaint about the book is that to me, some of the photographs
look like crumpled tissue paper and do not do the models any justice.

                                                Dennis





Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:13:46 -0400 (AST)
From: Marilyn Venz <thundy@walrus.com>
Subject: Hello

Good Afternoon,

I'm new to this news group and new to origami.  I would greatly
appreciate it if somone could e-mail me some information on
books or archives about origami. Please feel free to email me
at thundy@walrus.com.

Thanks
Marilyn Lee





Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:02:12 -0400 (AST)
From: gearhead <gearhead@snet.net>
Subject: iogami

I don't know what it is and I can't get through to the web site BUT on
page 80 of I.D. mag this November there is a collection of sites they
think are worth seeing.  One of them, cropped to only a portion of the
screen, shows two origami models, a "fat sparrow" and a crane...and the
text mentions patterns and printing out stuff in the snippet you can
read. It also mentions that iogami requires a current Shockwave
Flash.    <www.io360.com>  good luck!
Emma





Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:49:08 -0400 (AST)
From: Kim Best <kim.best@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: A Minor Miracle

Can anyone tell me the origin of the term "minor miracle"?

As I understand it, this term refers to a book fold of one or more flaps
in front, and a complimentary fold of the same number of flaps in back.
This is usually done because it is necessary to get to some internal
layers in front.  The folds in back are to keep the number of  layers
even on both sides of the model.

But why is this called a minor miracle?

I asked several of my fellow folders this question while I was at PCOC.
I received several different answers.  None of which I found totally
satisfying.  My favorite was from Jeremy Shaffer, "Well, you can hardly
call it a major miracle!"  Most of the answers involved the fact that
the model may look one way before the minor miracle, and another way
afterwards.  But, it seems to me, that should be no more miraculous then
the fact you can be looking at one picture in a magazine, and then turn
a few pages and see a different picture.  There has to be more to it
than that.

Does anyone know the origins of this colorful term?  Is it lost in the
gloom of many late night folding sessions, at previous conventions?  Or
am I just expecting too much from a minor miracle?

--
Kim Best                            ************************************

                                    * I've come to the conclusion that *

Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * origami, isn't folding so much,  *

420 Chipeta Way #120                * as it is precision crumpling.    *

Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         ************************************





Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:13:54 -0400 (AST)
From: fold4wet@juno.com (Rosalind F Joyce)
Subject: Re: Evil teacher

Hah!  As long time veteran teacher and folder, I require my high school
students to perform on "Following Directions" lab exercises with origami
text only directions, no diagrams.  After that, I set their notes to
rhyme and demand they SING 'em.  Now that's worthy of complaint.   Ros





Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:19:54 -0400 (AST)
From: Chris Miller <chris@ori.net>
Subject: Re: iogami

gearhead wrote:

> I don't know what it is and I can't get through to the web site BUT on
> page 80 of I.D. mag this November there is a collection of sites they
> think are worth seeing.  One of them, cropped to only a portion of the
> screen, shows two origami models, a "fat sparrow" and a crane...and the
> text mentions patterns and printing out stuff in the snippet you can
> read. It also mentions that iogami requires a current Shockwave
> Flash.    <www.io360.com>  good luck!
> Emma

 Ok, the actual access of i/ogami is
http://www.io360.com/v2/yo/iogami/
they have a crane, a fat sparrow, and upcoming, it seems, a flapping bird
and a crane 2.
The site design does look nice though.. go ahead and check it out. : )

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:35:40 -0400 (AST)
From: steve179@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: Mythical Beings (was Prehistoric Animals)

On 11/20/97 14:33:00 you wrote:
>
>
>  Jorma asked about difficulty following diagrams in Jay Ansill's Mythical
>Beasts.
>
>        I have had the same problem, particularly with the Unicorn which
>starts with a few folds to leave a 7 x 9 rectangle. From this point on the
>diagrams treat it as a square! Most confusing! However, I have successfully
>managed Robert Lang's Shiva and Alvarez's Daedalus is superb.
>
>        My complaint about the book is that to me, some of the photographs
>look like crumpled tissue paper and do not do the models any justice.
>
>
>                                                Dennis
>
>

I had the same reaction to the photos. I have been reluctant to spend the
time on the models when it seemed like the 'expert results' were so
unappealing.





Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:37:58 -0400 (AST)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Money Folding Tape

Bren,  I wonder if you got my message about the money folding and money rose
tape I sent you.  I am wondering if you have seen it and how you liked it.
 Dorigami





Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:46:30 -0400 (AST)
From: Joe and Reb Szilvagyi <Zagatto@netcom.ca>
Subject: Re: A Minor Miracle

>Can anyone tell me the origin of the term "minor miracle"?

I don't know the origin of the term but I'm well aware of the folds involved.
I've got more than a few books where I'll be folding along and then I'll see
what I've always called the "magical fold".  Where the following step
doesn't look anything like the previous step and all the instructions say is
"follow existing creases".

I was so proud when I figured out my first "minor miracle" earlier this
summer.  In the book "Folding Universe" by someone or other (great text by
the way) there's a model of a knight on horseback that has had me stumped
for years.  Every so often I'd pick the book up and try it again (that
picture was just so cool).  Every time I would get stuck about half way
through and end up scratching my head, wondering what the trick was.
This year when I finally did it, the rest of the model fell right into place
and mine looked as good as the one in the picture.  I left it out for my
wife to see the next morning.  She took it to work.  Her boss liked it and
that was the last I've seen of it.  All my following attempts at it have
been ok, but nowhere close to the crispness of my first completed knight on
horseback.

For anyone who hasn't seen one of these.  It's truly an amazing model with
detail right down to the visor on the knights helm.  All from one sheet of
paper.

Sorry that didn't have much to do with the minor miracle, but I felt like
sharing it anyways.

Joe.
It's better to have a horrible ending
than horrors without end.





Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 03:32:36 -0400 (AST)
From: Jamaro@aol.com
Subject: Re: informacion

In a message dated 97-11-20 17:45:18 EST, you write:

<<  ------- Forwarded message follows -------

 Necesito saber como obtener mas informacin sobre los origami,
 I need to know how to obtain information on origami,
 resido en Guayaquil, Ecuador, SudAmerica
 I live in Guayaquil, Ecuador, South America.

 Necesito origami para aplicarlos en el ambiente hotelero
 I plan to use the origami in a hotel environment.
  >>
Above is a translation of the email.  Would also like to point out that in
Spanish, origami is sometimes called, "papirogami", "papiroflexia", and
"papel plegado" or "plegados de papel."

Regards,

Joe Amaro





Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 06:55:50 -0400 (AST)
From: p.rowley@elvis.murdoch.edu.au
Subject: Please Help Me

Could someone please tell me how to take my e-mail address off of the list,
as I am sick of receiving all the e-mails. My address is:
p.rowley@student.murdoch.edu.au





Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 07:01:22 -0400 (AST)
From: DE CLERCK John <John.De.Clerck@is.belgacom.be>
Subject: re: Please Help Me

Send mail to listserver@nstn.ca
with in the body

unsubscribe origami-l
-------------
Original Text
From: <p.rowley@elvis.murdoch.edu.au>, on 21/11/97 11:55:
<origami-l@nstn.ca>]

Could someone please tell me how to take my e-mail address off of the list,
as I am sick of receiving all the e-mails. My address is:
p.rowley@student.murdoch.edu.au





Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 07:45:39 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: Money Folding Tape

Am I the only one who has no idea wHAT  "Money Folding Tape" is?

BYE -Jeff Kerwood
jkerwood@usaor.net

----------
> From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject: Money Folding Tape
> Date: Thursday, November 20, 1997 11:39 PM
>
> Bren,  I wonder if you got my message about the money folding and money
rose
> tape I sent you.  I am wondering if you have seen it and how you liked
it.
>  Dorigami





Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 07:47:30 -0400 (AST)
From: Ariel <syn08@dataphone.se>
Subject: Re: informacion ( translated)

At 13:51 1997-11-20 -0400, you wrote:
>Can anyone help?
>
>  ------- Forwarded message follows -------
>
>Necesito saber como obtener mas informacin sobre los origami,

It says in spanish: "I need to know how to get more information obout Origami"

>
>resido en Guayaquil, Ecuador, SudAmerica
>

"I live in Guayaquil, blah blah blah" :-)

>
>Necesito origami para aplicarlos en el ambiente hotelero
>

I need origami to use it in the hotell area/environment

>
>--
>Sta. Luisa Herrera
>Personal
>Internet: lherrera@ecua.net.ec
>
>
>all the best,
>
>Nick Robinson
>
>email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
>homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
>BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
>RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:25:33 -0400 (AST)
From: youngcj@ix.netcom.com (Carole Young)
Subject: Re: A Minor Miracle

THAT DOES SOUND LIKE A MIRACLE TO ME.  PICTURE THE YEARS OF WONDERING,
THE SUDDEN TWIST THAT MAKES IT WORK, THE ENLIGHTENMENT, MY G--! ITS A
MIRACLE!

Carole

You wrote:
>
>
>>Can anyone tell me the origin of the term "minor miracle"?
>
>I don't know the origin of the term but I'm well aware of the folds
involved.
>I've got more than a few books where I'll be folding along and then
I'll see
>what I've always called the "magical fold".  Where the following step
>doesn't look anything like the previous step and all the instructions
say is
>"follow existing creases".
>
>I was so proud when I figured out my first "minor miracle" earlier
this
>summer.  In the book "Folding Universe" by someone or other (great
text by
>the way) there's a model of a knight on horseback that has had me
stumped
>for years.  Every so often I'd pick the book up and try it again (that
>picture was just so cool).  Every time I would get stuck about half
way
>through and end up scratching my head, wondering what the trick was.
>This year when I finally did it, the rest of the model fell right into
place
>and mine looked as good as the one in the picture.  I left it out for
my
>wife to see the next morning.  She took it to work.  Her boss liked it
and
>that was the last I've seen of it.  All my following attempts at it
have
>been ok, but nowhere close to the crispness of my first completed
knight on
>horseback.
>
>For anyone who hasn't seen one of these.  It's truly an amazing model
with
>detail right down to the visor on the knights helm.  All from one
sheet of
>paper.
>
>Sorry that didn't have much to do with the minor miracle, but I felt
like
>sharing it anyways.
>
>Joe.
>It's better to have a horrible ending
>than horrors without end.





Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:30:33 -0400 (AST)
From: jaelle <jaelle1@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: A Minor Miracle

Joe and Reb Szilvagyi wrote:

> >Can anyone tell me the origin of the term
> "minor miracle"?
>
> I don't know the origin of the term but I'm well
> aware of the folds involved.
> I've got more than a few books where I'll be
> folding along and then I'll see
> what I've always called the "magical fold".
> Where the following step
> doesn't look anything like the previous step and
> all the instructions say is
> "follow existing creases".
>
> I was so proud when I figured out my first
> "minor miracle" earlier this
> summer.  In the book "Folding Universe" by
> someone or other (great text by
> the way) there's a model of a knight on
> horseback that has had me stumped
> for years.  Every so often I'd pick the book up
> and try it again (that
> picture was just so cool).  Every time I would
> get stuck about half way
> through and end up scratching my head, wondering
> what the trick was.
> This year when I finally did it, the rest of the
> model fell right into place
> and mine looked as good as the one in the
> picture.  I left it out for my
> wife to see the next morning.  She took it to
> work.  Her boss liked it and
> that was the last I've seen of it.  All my
> following attempts at it have
> been ok, but nowhere close to the crispness of
> my first completed knight on
> horseback.
>
>

Congratulations! ... I have been trying to fold
that particular model for years also.It is by
Peter Engel by the way.
Every fold in thsat book after all the fish are
magnificent!!! In my humble oponion.
When I finally get all those folded then I will
consider that a "major miracle"!

I have trued the knight on horseback once a month
for the past 7 years and have not
been able to fold it yet.  That one .. the tiger
. elephant and penguin stump me entirely.

That is my favorite book in my Origami collection.

My collection is small and mostly easy pieces.
Being house bound it is hard to get books.
The library here does not deliver and they have
few books on origami .. mostly juvinile ones.
And Barnes and Nobel or Bordens niether one carry
many either.

I got Peter Engles Folding the Universe at a
garage sale a long time ago.
The woman I bought it from for fifty cents said
she got it becasue of the knight model
and was never abel to fold it. So she did not want
it any longer. She only tried twice.

Again I congratulate you on that model. Someday I
will fold it also and that is the day I
will have a friend over to dinner to celebrate the
"Miracle of the Folded Knight". Giggle

Walk in light my friends,
Jaelle Aka Gail





Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:20:35 -0400 (AST)
From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@ahand.unicamp.br>
Subject: Re: Mythical Beings (was Prehistoric Animals)

"Mythical Beings"? Poor author Ansill has already commented in this
list about his problems with both artist and publisher. Yes,
diagrams are very poor. In a quick enumeration:
- shapes, and sizes are not preserved - rhombuses turn into squares,
  diagrams change sizes between steps with no sign, appendages are
  obviously out of proportion. Obvious examples are the gargoyle,
  centaur and woodland elf.
- the pegasus's diagrams do not use shading to show paper sides
  (ok, ok, the model should be folded with bicolor paper, but
  nowhere is that stated)
- diagram details too small or unclear, invisible landmarks (unicorn,
  kerberos)

Yes, the photographs fail to show relevant features of otherwise
nice models - check awful camera angles for the flapping dragon
and daedalus. And when one uses a background photograph as a fake
landscape, you'd expect a planned lighting. Aren't shadows over
the "sky" ridiculous?

Ok, enough bashing. Congratulations to Jay Ansill for putting
together models with a theme, with a few exceptions
hardly available elsewhere. And let's hope more publishers
begin respecting author and readers alike.

        Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:20:22 -0400 (AST)
From: jpl@www.barclab.com
Subject: Re: Mythical Beings

Carlos Alberto Furuti stated :

| "Mythical Beings"? Poor author Ansill has already commented in this
| list about his problems with both artist and publisher.

Oy. It does sound as if Ansill had loads of bad luck with this publication.
My resolve to fold myself through the book is somewhat faltering. I'm new
at this; I would have needed all the help those diagrams could give me ...

Still, even the Ourobouros (you know, the token easy model ...) looks great.
And I _will_ fold that Icarus one day. Really.

Jurgen,
New to this list as well. Hi, all.
--
 Jurgen Pletinckx                           BARC
 Tel +32 9 220 49 81         Fax +32 9 221 85 17
 jpl@barclab.be      barc.j.jonckheere@skynet.be
 Industriepark Zwijnaarde 7, B9052 Gent, Belgium
Etre une heure, une heure seulement       Etre une heure, une heure quelquefois
Etre une heure, rien qu'une heure durant  Beau, beau, beau et con  la fois





Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:01:35 -0400 (AST)
From: "NIGEL POTTLE, TEACHER LIBRARIAN, JAMES FOWLER SENIOR HIGH"@Owl.nstn.ca
Subject: Re: an alternative to spray glue?

Sorry folks, my original message got skewed. Just ignore the sentence beginning
"Since it was glued..." and the message will make far more sense!

Nigel
npottle@cbe.ab.ca





Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 00:04:26 -0400 (AST)
From: Kimberly Crane <kcrane@kimscrane.com>
Subject: Re: Money Folding Tape

Jeff Kerwood wrote:

> Am I the only one who has no idea wHAT  "Money Folding Tape" is?
>
> BYE -Jeff Kerwood
> jkerwood@usaor.net
>
> ----------
> > From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
> > To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> > Subject: Money Folding Tape
> > Date: Thursday, November 20, 1997 11:39 PM
> >
> > Bren,  I wonder if you got my message about the money folding and money
> rose
> > tape I sent you.  I am wondering if you have seen it and how you liked
> it.
> >  Dorigami

  The tape, "Origami Money Folding" featuring the Six Dollar Bill Rose, and
many other dollar bill folds by Dorothy Kaplan is available from Kim's Crane.

Sincerely,
Kimberly Crane
http://www.kimscrane.com





Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 00:09:15 -0400 (AST)
From: morpha <morpha@columbia-pacific.interrain.org>
Subject: Re: an alternative to spray glue?

<snip>   Uhu Stic Color from Germany that rubs on purple and dries
clear.

I have used glue sticks (including Uhu Stic Color) for non-origami
projects and have found that the glue does eventually deteriorate after
a year or so.

It would be nice to find a less toxic and invasive alternative to spray
adhesives.

Morpha





Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 00:50:11 -0400 (AST)
From: mSaliers <saliers@concentric.net>
Subject: New Dimensions to new dimensions

Hello everyone!

The Origami Dimensions Page has a new home, look, and feel.  It's at

  http://www.concentric.net/~Saliers/origami/orgdims.shtml

The main feature of the revamped page is a form where you can submit (if you
     have a javascript-capable browser) origami models, their original paper,
     and final dimensions.

So grab your origami (and your ruler), and come on over and give it a whirl!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
     ----------
         NOTE: If my email says there's an attachment below this line, it lies.





Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 00:57:40 -0400 (AST)
From: Cathy <cathypl@generation.net>
Subject: Re: Arbre de Noel a Montreal

I plan to attend--but I hope we can finish the Enterprise, too.

                              Cathy

At 09:16 AM 1997/11/20 -0400, you wrote:
>> SANCE DE PLIAGE
>> POUR GARNIR L'ARBRE DE NOL DU MUSE DES BEAUX-ARTS
>
>DIMANCHE LE 23 NOVEMBRE
>de 13h  16 h
>AU CENTRE CULTUREL JAPONAIS-CANADIEN
>8155 Rousselot, Montral
>( Jarry, entre Christophe-Colomb et Papineau )
>
>Le cot de la salle ( 25$ ) sera partag entre tous ceux, toutes celles qui
>se prsenteront.  Plus nous sommes nombreux, plus le cot d'entre sera bas
>pour chacun, chacune.
>
>Pour toute information concernant l'arbre du Muse, contactez Hideko Sinto
>mailto:origami@francomedia.qc.ca
>ou laissez un message aux ateliers Deniko au 679-1273.
>
>Pour toute information concernant les activits d'Origami-Montral,
contactez
>Jean Villemaire : mailto:villemaire@videotron.ca
>ou laissez un message au 272-7749.
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>> FOLDING SESSION FOR DRESSING
>> OF THE MUSEE DES BEAUX-ARTS' X-MAS TREE
>
>SUNDAY NOVEMBER 23rd
>from 1:00 to 4:00 p.m.
>AT THE JAPANESE-CANADIAN CULTURAL CENTER
>8155 Rousselot, Montreal
>(come by Jarry, between Christophe-Colomb & Papineau)
>
>25$ cost for using meeting hall will be split among those who will come.
The
>more we are, the lowest the entry.
>
>For more information about the Muse's X-mas Tree, contact Hideko Sinto
>mailto:origami@francomedia.qc.ca
>or leave a message at the Ateliers Deniko, 679-1273.
>
>For more information about Origami-Montreal's activities, contact Jean
>Villemaire : mailto:villemaire@videotron.ca
>or leave a message, 272-7749.
>
>                    ___________________
>                    |                 |
>                    |                 |
>                    |                 |
>                    |      }---{      |
>                    |      |0 ,0      |
>                    |     /'\   \     |
>                    |    |'''|  |     |
>                    |    |'  /  /     |
>                    |____|  /_ /______|
>    Jean Villemaire     |/-/"-"-|       Le harfang des neiges,
>   Montral, QUBEC     |       |       emblme aviaire
>                  |_______|       du Qubec
>
>              mailto:villemaire@videotron.ca
>                   Origami-Montral :
> http://econo1.ecn.ulaval.ca:80/~pgon/origami/origami.html
>
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
cathypl@generation.net





Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 02:00:21 -0400 (AST)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: Brits only - Demon & ori newsgroups...

Nick,
At 13.38 20/11/1997 -0400, you wrote:
>Are there any Demon users who have subscribed to the new ori newsgroup?
>It doesn't appear on the latest list of newsgroups from there...

I'm no Brit.... but do you mean the rec.arts.origami newsgroup ? I use a
couple of local newsservers here, and both have added that NG recently.
Maybe you Brit Demon users should send a formal request to your provider....

Roberto
         _\|/_
        ( o o )
=====-oOO-(_)-OOo-========+
Roberto Morassi           |
Via Palestro 11           |  Please DON'T quote my full
51100 PISTOIA             |  message in reply... I KNOW
ITALY                     |  what I have written ! :-)
tel & fax (+)39-573-20436 |
E-mail <morassi@zen.it>   |





Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 02:02:37 -0400 (AST)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: informacion

Paul,
At 14.07 20/11/1997 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Para qual ambiente neccesita??

That was a forwarded message: Seorita Herrera is not in the origami-list,
and cannot read your posting unless you address it to her own e-mailbox...<;-)

Roberto
         _\|/_
        ( o o )
=====-oOO-(_)-OOo-========+
Roberto Morassi           |
Via Palestro 11           |  Please DON'T quote my full
51100 PISTOIA             |  message in reply... I KNOW
ITALY                     |  what I have written ! :-)
tel & fax (+)39-573-20436 |
E-mail <morassi@zen.it>   |





Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 04:51:16 -0400 (AST)
From: klundber@mnsinc.com
Subject: Re: an alternative to spray glue?

Morpha writes:
   >It would be nice to find a less toxic and invasive alternative to
   >spray adhesives.

________
I've had very good luck with Rollataq by Daige.  It rolls a thin film of an
acid-free permanent glue and allows 5 minutes to reposition the paper.  My
tissue foil models have lasted without discoloration or deterioration for
two years now.  I have found that I can do fairly large pieces with the hand
held model.  None of the mess or odor that comes with the sprays.

Their web site is:

   http:\\www.daige.com\rollataq.htm

Hope this helps.

Kalei - klundber@mnsinc.com





Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 07:30:46 -0400 (AST)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: A Minor Miracle

Kim Best <kim.best@m.cc.utah.edu> sez

>Does anyone know the origins of this colorful term?

As I see it, explaining the move clearly is indeed a minor miracle....

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:52:31 -0400 (AST)
From: "Origamido - Michael G. LaFosse" <info@origamido.com>
Subject: Re: Minor Miracle

Lillian Oppenheimer is the answer to your question about the "minor
miracle".  Once, when I was visiting Lillian in New York city in the mid
1970's, she explained to me that  she called this maneuver a minor
miracle both because of the quick transformation of the origami form and
because as you hold the paper in the air, between both hands, it looks
as if you are in prayer.  She found such expressions useful in teaching
because they caused students to focus and memorize the essentials of the
technique.  These expressions also short-noted procedures so that once
the students were familiar with the term it would be easy to just say:
"blintz" the square or "perform a minor miracle on this base".  Lillian
often developed colorful and inspired expressions to enliven her
demonstrations of origami, and it is her style of presentation that many
of us have adopted.

All the Best!

-Michael LaFosse





Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 12:07:50 -0400 (AST)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: FH 3 -> Acrobat?

Hi All -

        Well, as my career as a graduate student enters its twilight, I
have begun in earnest to diagram my models for a potential future book.
I've just finished diagramming my _Triceratops_ model.  As a grad student,
I've been sadly underfunded, and I'm using some antiquated technology:
Aldus FreeHand 3.1.  It's not even Aldus anymore; Aldus was bought out by
Macromind, and they're now on version 7!  The diagrams take up 11 pages (64
steps); I would guess it is a high-intermediate to complex model (if you
like classification  ;-D  ).

        I would very much like feedback from list members on my diagramming
style -- what's good, what's bad, etc. -- both diagrams and text.  For
that, I'd love to be able to upload them to the ftp site.  I know that most
people here seem to prefer Adobe Acrobat files, but I don't have the
capability here to convert my FreeHand files to Acrobat.  Could I bother
anyone out there to make the switch and upload the resultant file to the
ftp site?  Thanks very much in advance!

                _,_
           ____/_\,)                    ..  _
--____-===(  _\/                         \\/ \-----_---__
           /\  '                        ^__/>/\____\--------
__________/__\_ ____________________________.//__.//_________

Jerry D. Harris                       (214) 768-2750
Dept. of Geological Sciences          FAX:  768-2701
Southern Methodist University
Box 750395                            jdharris@post.smu.edu
Dallas  TX  75275-0395                (Compuserve:  102354,2222)

"Science _does_ have all the answers -- we just don't have all
the science."
                        -- James Morrow





Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 12:18:40 -0400 (AST)
From: reeds@openix.com (Reeds Family)
Subject: libraries that don't deliver origiami books to disabled patrons

>Being house bound it is hard to get books.
>The library here does not deliver and they have
>few books on origami .. mostly juvinile ones.
>And Barnes and Nobel or Bordens niether one carry
>many either.

>
>Walk in light my friends,
>Jaelle Aka Gail

Dear Jaelle

I'm upset to hear that your PUBLI C library is so unhelpful, since my
experience is that librarians go out of their way to get books for patrons.
Have you tried asking the local Friends of the Library group for help? When
I was President of our little town's Friends of the LIbrary, one of my more
gratifying jobs was fulfilling the librarian's request to bring/pick up
books for house/nursing home bound people. Or if there isn't a Friends of
Library group, ask the librarian to post a note asking for a volunteer. The
library should be able to get you origami books by interlibrary loan.

This is a battle worth fighting!
Karen
reeds@openix.com

PS you might be interested in a book by Regina Woods (I think that's close
to right), Tales from the Tank (U Pennsylvania Press, about 1994)-she's a
polio survivor who had similar troubles about access to her library and
church (before the National Disabilities act).





Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 12:20:16 -0400 (AST)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: informacion

Joe,
At 03.35 21/11/1997 -0400, you wrote:

>Would also like to point out that in
>Spanish, origami is sometimes called, "papirogami", "papiroflexia", and
>"papel plegado" or "plegados de papel."

Some further info's. "Papel plegado" and "plegados de papel" mean,
literally, "folded paper" and "paper folds", but "papirogami" and
"papiroflexia" are neologisms. "Papiroflexia" was coined by Dr. Vicente
Solorzano Sagredo, as seen in the title of his masterpiece work
"Papiroflexia Zoomorfica" (Valladolid, 1962). In the preface he says:

"Following the interview made to me by the famous journalist and pedagogue
D. Carlos A. Leumann, about my activities and folded paper products, in
November 1936 the major Argentine newspaper "La Prensa" of Buenos Aires
published a full-page illustrated article, where for the first time the
words "Papirolas" and "Papiroflexia" were printed, referring to folded paper
objects and the art of their making, respectively".

"Papirogami" was invented by Vicente Palacios to title his first major book,
obviously as a contraction from "Papiroflexia" + "Origami". However, Vicente
is known for his strenuous fight in defense of a local Spanish origin of the
art of paper folding, quite independent from Japan, so he has never used
that term again. As far as I know, it isn't used in the Spanish paperfolding
community either.

Roberto
         _\|/_
        ( o o )
=====-oOO-(_)-OOo-========+
Roberto Morassi           |
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51100 PISTOIA             |  message in reply... I KNOW
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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 21:41:50 -0400 (AST)
From: jaelle <jaelle1@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: libraries that don't deliver origiami books to disabled patrons

>
>
> Dear Jaelle
>
> I'm upset to hear that your PUBLI C library is
> so unhelpful, since my
> experience is that librarians go out of their
> way to get books for patrons.
> Have you tried asking the local Friends of the
> Library group for help? When
> I was President of our little town's Friends of
> the LIbrary, one of my more
> gratifying jobs was fulfilling the librarian's
> request to bring/pick up
> books for house/nursing home bound people. Or if
> there isn't a Friends of
> Library group, ask the librarian to post a note
> asking for a volunteer. The
> library should be able to get you origami books
> by interlibrary loan.
>
> This is a battle worth fighting!
> Karen
> reeds@openix.com
>
> PS you might be interested in a book by Regina
> Woods (I think that's close
> to right), Tales from the Tank (U Pennsylvania
> Press, about 1994)-she's a
> polio survivor who had similar troubles about
> access to her library and
> church (before the National Disabilities act).

   Thank you for your suggestions new friend. (
smile)

I have called the "friends" here also. They take
books to the childrens ward at the hospitals
etc. but not to adults who are house bound. There
is no program here for access by adults
at all. i have called every library in Dallas and
there are several. None have any volunteers who
will
bring books to an adult. The volunteers here read
in childrens circles and help with displays
and other things of that type.

It angers me that persons like myself have no
library access and I have called the mayors office

and the city council and county commission as
well. So far no one wants to talk about this.
When I am able to get around again I plan on
campong on a few door steps. ( smile)

The libraries here only have 11 adult origami
books. And 27 juvenile books.

I have even called the book stores and ask if
there was anyway to get some of the titles I
wanted
delivered to my home. They said without a credit
card they would not do this nor do they have
anyone
who will deliver them. I plan on fighting that
also. I do not believe in credit cards. They tend
to get me
in trouble. ( giggle) Had one once. Do NOT want
another. Can not get one anyway on the small
provided
by SSI disability. Oh well, saving my pennies is
good for my character!!! ( and I have been called
a "character" many times ( laugh)

So until I can get out again, which may be a year
or more I will have to re fold the ones I have and

rely on the digrams on line. Which are really not
that many sadly. I have folded all of them but
never hurts to repeat them I guess.

Thanks again for your support and letter

Walk in Light and harmony
Jaelle





Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 22:28:16 -0400 (AST)
From: morpha <morpha@columbia-pacific.interrain.org>
Subject: Re: an alternative to spray glue?

>
> Their web site is:
>
>    http:\\www.daige.com\rollataq.htm
>
Thanks for the information.  I get a blank when I click on the above
url.





Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 22:55:48 -0400 (AST)
From: morpha <morpha@columbia-pacific.interrain.org>
Subject: Re: libraries that don't deliver origiami books to disabled patrons

> I have even called the book stores and ask if
> there was anyway to get some of the titles I
> wanted
> delivered to my home. They said without a credit
> card they would not do this nor do they have
> anyone
> who will deliver them.

You can order books from Amazon.com without a credit card.  They have a
fairly decent selection of origami books.

Good luck, Jaelle.  I think your local library system must be run by
boneheads.  If I lived in your area, I wouldn't mind bringing you books,
but alas, I live several states away.

Morpha





Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 22:59:28 -0400 (AST)
From: morpha <morpha@columbia-pacific.interrain.org>
Subject: Origami sighting

Last week, I passed by the Saks Fifth Avenue store in Portland, Oregon.
In the display windows hang large modular origami models that
suspiciously resemble Fuse octahedrons.

Morpha





Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 22:59:50 -0400 (AST)
From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@pb.net>
Subject: Re: Minor Miracle

> Lillian Oppenheimer is the answer to your question about the "minor
> miracle".  Once, when I was visiting Lillian in New York city in the mid
> 1970's, she explained to me that  she called this maneuver a minor
> miracle both because of the quick transformation of the origami form and
> because as you hold the paper in the air, between both hands, it looks
> as if you are in prayer.  She found such expressions useful in teaching
> because they caused students to focus and memorize the essentials of the
> technique.  These expressions also short-noted procedures so that once
> the students were familiar with the term it would be easy to just say:
> "blintz" the square or "perform a minor miracle on this base".  Lillian
> often developed colorful and inspired expressions to enliven her
> demonstrations of origami, and it is her style of presentation that many
> of us have adopted.
>
> All the Best!
>
> -Michael LaFosse
>
>
Well said Michael. Lillian also felt that the maneuver is rather difficult to
diagram or learn from a diagram, but really simple if shown: hence, a "minor
miracle."

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 23:39:32 -0400 (AST)
From: David Tait <tait@earthlink.net>
Subject: Origami by Children display

Just went to the Donnell Library in Manhattan today and saw the
beautiful "Origami by Children" in the window. It's a real treat for the
eyes. A special congratulations to all the children who worked so hard
to make their models for this very special exhibit!

Regards,
Tricia Tait





Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 01:08:06 -0400 (AST)
From: klundber@mnsinc.com
Subject: Re: an alternative to spray glue?

You write:
   >> Their web site is:
   >>    http:\\www.daige.com\rollataq.htm
   >Thanks for the information.  I get a blank when I click on the above
   >url.

________
I tried this site before I posted.  Really I did.

My dyslexia is showing...the URL is

    http://www.daige.com/rollataq.htm

Those slashes get me every time. :::sigh:::

Their snail mail address is:

Daige, Inc.
1 Albertson Ave.
Albertson, NY  11507

at least I hope it is as I just mailed them an order.

Sorry,
Kalei - klundber@mnsinc.com





Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 04:39:25 -0400 (AST)
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Re:  Half a square

Helena wrote:

> Is it true that it's impossible to get any square of size 1/r
> with r layers everywhere for r not a power of 2?

It's not: if r is a perfect square, the solution is trivial. If r=m^2, pleat
the paper in mths both ways.

So we know it's possible for r a product of a power of 2 and any perfect
square, too.

Robert





Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 09:25:17 -0400 (AST)
From: Mike & Janet Hamilton <Mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: an alternative to spray glue?

morpha wrote:

> >
> > Their web site is:
> >
> >    http:\\www.daige.com\rollataq.htm
> >
> Thanks for the information.  I get a blank when I click on the above
> url.

 The slashes are going the wrong way.  Try
http://www.daige.com/rollataq.htm

Janet Hamilton

--
mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/





Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:35:28 -0400 (AST)
From: jaelle <jaelle1@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: libraries that don't deliver origiami books to disabled patrons

> You can order books from Amazon.com without a
> credit card.  They have a
> fairly decent selection of origami books.

Thank you ! I thought every one required CC today.
It seems you can notdo much of anything without
that piece of plastic. I appreciate the info very
much!

>
>
> Good luck, Jaelle.  I think your local library
> system must be run by
> boneheads.  If I lived in your area, I wouldn't
> mind bringing you books,
> but alas, I live several states away.
>

I agree! They are boneheads. There are a lot of
really nice people here.Several have said they
would be glad to bring books. I think I might move

away from Texas. So many people much nicer else
where! ( This is not really
true. There are some very nice people here... like
me *giggle*)

> thank you again.

Walk in light
Jaelle





Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 17:04:31 -0400 (AST)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Minor Miracle

>> Lillian Oppenheimer is the answer to your question about the "minor
>> miracle".
>Well said Michael. Lillian also felt that the maneuver is rather difficult to
>diagram or learn from a diagram, but really simple if shown: hence, a "minor
>miracle."
>
>
>Rachel Katz
>Origami - it's not just for squares!
     I knew that the term minor miracle was used in Lillian Oppenheimer's
group, but did not know that it was proposed by Lillian herself.  For that
reason those who like the term should continue to use it.  I myself
disliked the term because it did not explain the nature of the move.  I
preferred to say "book fold front and back".
James M. Sakoda





Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:14:38 -0400 (AST)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: New Preface to Modern Origami

For those who own Modern  Origami and do not expect to purchase the
reprint version, I am reprinting portions of the preface in
installment.  It represents my view of the book as I look back at it.
It   may also provide a basis of discussion.  For those who would like
an autographed copy of the book, please send a check for $10 per book
and $3 postage for either one or two books, $6 for 3 or4, etc.

<fontfamily><param>Times</param><bigger><bigger>Preface

Is it Still Significant?

        It is over 25 years since Modern Origami was first published, and it
is a good opportunity to review its relevance.  One might question, for
example, whether the term "Modern" is still suitable today.  Is it
simply a collection of old foldings which has no particularly
significance and can be easily replaced by the new origami books which
are now available,  some of which have more complicated models
requiring hundreds of instructions each.

Modern Origami

         The term modern  was selected because the style of folding attempted
to emphasize  the beauty of the straight line and attractive geometric
forms.  In this sense it was reminiscent of modern art.  In this effort
it was favored by the fact that the folding process almost invariably
produced straight edges. The traditional Japanese crane, which  was
extremely attractive, stood as testimony that the approach made sense
for origami. This contrasted with Akira Yoshizawa's style, which tended
to seek beauty in more rounded edges and forms created by a more
sculpturing approach.  Many people prefer Yoshizawa's approach, of
which he is a recognized master, and find difficulty in seeing beauty
in the combination of straight lines to depict flowers, animals,
insects, birds and human figures, which are often complex and rounded
in shape.  In this sense Modern Origami's approach suffers a fate
similar to those of modern art, and the title is still appropriate.

Beauty in Geometric Figures

        I should try to explain the kind of figure I was trying to make.  It
was not just the likeness to a real object, but one which had some of
the essential features  of one to make it both recognizable and
attractive.   To achieve this  I found it desirable to eliminate extra
details such as crooks in the legs and the attempt to show the
roundness of a swan's neck, for example.  It was more important to try
to put together attractive collection of lines, and to create long
straight and sharp edges, as in the case of the standing crane. I also
followed Kosho Uchiyama's principle of avoiding force  and waste.

     When the figure was completed I hoped for some kind of impression
on the viewer.  The first creation which I thought was artistic was the
giraffe, which I thought was a proud giraffe with its head held back.
For the praying mantis it was the final bending of the neck and head
upward, which gave it an attitude of alertness and readiness to pounce
on an insect.  The standing crane has its neck tilted back and its head
and beak facing upward in an alert position.   Fred Rohm  referred to
the mouse as a perky mouse.  The road runner is clearly in a running
position.  Even with straight lines and sharp bends it is possible to
show the gracefulness of a swan or the convey the gentleness of a nun.

</bigger></bigger></fontfamily>

James M. Sakoda, 411 County Road, Barrington, RI 02806





Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 21:16:21 -0400 (AST)
From: Ronnie White <ronew@mindspring.com>
Subject: Tanteidan Convention book wanted

This is for whoever was taking orders for the Tanteidan Convention Book.
Please include my name on the list. Please e-mail me the details. Thank you

Ron White
ronew@mindspring.com

"Never underestimate the incredible destructive power of origami"

                                                  Earthworm Jim





Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:00:06 -0400 (AST)
From: Michael Montebello <florafauna@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE: New Preface to Modern Origami

I enjoyed reading this insight to your folding. I have been in some of your
class in NY (I still have my attempt of your wonderful praying mantis, my
attempt looks like a praying mantis that has been mangled and stomped on) I
have folded with you at the corner caf. And have stuck my foot in my mouth
asking you what the Interesting fold was trying to represent. Ignoring "the
beauty of the straight line and attractive geometric forms" Your Preface has
brought enlightenment to this slow dyslexic brain. I still don't think I can
narrow all that paper into legs but I think the praying mantis in the book
doesn't  have them. Looking forward to my own copy.
Thank you
Susan Dugan





Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:03:56 -0400 (AST)
From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@pb.net>
Subject: PCOC.

Okay you lucky attendies of PCOC, I got the next best thing to being there.
Bianca Chang showed me most of the video tape she took of the proceedings. Did
I miss it, or has no-one written up the highlights?

Due to time constraints, we had to fast forward through the tape, but I did
catch the wonderful exhibition. Name cards were not readable but I believe I did
see some amazing work by Kim Best, Valerie Vann and I recognized Robert Lang's
wonderfully sculpted models.

V'Ann's units made a wonderful background for the "model menu." They showed up
well on the film.

Jeremy Shaeffer's entertainment, it seems to me, was worth
the price of attendance alone. Did he actually fold a flapping bird from
flaming paper? It looked as if he did.

Bianca brought home Valerie's "rose cube." What a marvelously inventive model;
and the Yoda was charming.

Won't someone fill in the details on what obviously was a stimulating,
wonderful convention?

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 23:02:01 -0400 (AST)
From: youngcj@ix.netcom.com (Carole Young)
Subject: Re: Tanteidan Convention book wanted - ALSO

Did I miss a thread?  Is someone doing this, if so count me in also.

Carole Young

You wrote:
>
>This is for whoever was taking orders for the Tanteidan Convention
Book.
>Please include my name on the list. Please e-mail me the details.
Thank you
>
>Ron White
>ronew@mindspring.com
>
>"Never underestimate the incredible destructive power of origami"
>
>                                                  Earthworm Jim





Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 23:54:19 -0400 (AST)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Ready to Upload

Hi All -

        Well, thanks to Charles Knuffke, my _Triceratops_ diagrams are
ready to upload.  I plan to upload both the Postscript and Acrobat files to
the ftp site...as soon as I can figure out which folder on the site I
should put them in!  All the "models" folders, as well as the "incoming"
folders, are apparently restricted -- I was unable to put anything there
because I lacked the necessary permission.  Is there another folder that
isn't restricted?  Thanks!

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"Science _does_ have all the answers -- we just don't have all
the science."
                        -- James Morrow





Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:02:11 -0400 (AST)
From: Joyce Owen <joyceowen@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: the price of origami

If I could fold like Joseph Wu
I could make money too.

Ya'll keep up the good work.  I love the arguments!

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 02:05:18 -0400 (AST)
From: Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
Subject: Re: Mythical Beings

On Fri, 21 Nov 1997 jpl@www.barclab.com wrote:

> Still, even the Ourobouros (you know, the token easy model ...) looks great.
> And I _will_ fold that Icarus one day. Really.

The Daedulus/Icarus model isn't that bad.  Most of it is fairly logical,
no tricky folds or anything.  The hardest thing about it is the subtle
shaping required to give the model a graceful human figure.





Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:44:34 -0400 (AST)
From: DonnaJowal@aol.com
Subject: Delivery by Libraries

I would guess that the national ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act)
regulations would require that libraries which receive public money provide
access to books for disabled people, including delivery if there is no other
way for a person to get them.  This doesn't seem to be any different than
providing ramps for wheelchair access  or books in braille or on tape.   I
would suggest that Jaelle and anyone else who has this problem call the ADA
hotline at 1-800-USA-ABLE.  Perhaps they will have some insight on how to
deal with this issue.

Donna Walcavage





Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:53:27 -0400 (AST)
From: Paul Vandine <pvandine@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: PCOC.

> Bianca Chang showed me most of the video tape she took of the
proceedings

     Maybe we could entreat Bianca to dupe and sell for a minimal fee
???  There are plenty of us who didn't get to go who would love to see
the footage.

     If Bianca is not on the List, could you relay my request??  I
really would love to see what went on at PCOC.  As I am moving to
Australia in June I doubt if I'll ever get the chance to attend the
next one :-(

Thanks, please let me know what she says!

Thanks again

Paul

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