




Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:25:25 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ultranet.ca>
Subject: RE: paper

On Sunday, November 16, 1997 9:12 PM, Chamberlain, Clare
[SMTP:Clare.Chamberlain@health.wa.gov.au] wrote:
> washi is a handmade paper, although it can come in a variety of textures
> & patterns, often having threads or glitter within it.  I can't remember

Washi, like kami, is a generic term for Japanese handmade paper. It's roots are
"wa" (harmony) which refers to things Japanese, and "shi" (or "kami", paper).
There are many forms of washi. Take a look at my washi glossary for more
information than you could ever want about washi:
<http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca/Info/washi.html>.

Joseph Wu, Origami Artist & Multimedia Producer
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:53:53 -0400 (AST)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: SIMPLE dinos wanted

"Michael J. Naughton" <mjnaught@crocker.com> sez

>Nick - have you considered Joseph Wu's (?) single-fold stegosaurus?

It's actually a design I came up with as well (one crease - such
talent!) but it's not recognisable unless you tell people what it is &
there's no head or tail....

all the best,

Nick Robinson

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:59:32 -0400 (AST)
From: Mike & Janet Hamilton <Mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Fortune Teller

All,

I received the following questions that I couldn't answer about the
fortune teller/cootie catcher model.  Does anyone have information I
could pass back to this person?  Also, does anyone know of diagrams on
the web?

--- forwarded message ---
What I would like to
know right now, is if this game is also played in Japan.  If so, what
is it's Japanese name? Is it considered to be true origami?  Have you
ever heard it called spirit-catcher? Does it have, like many
children's games, a deeper, traditional, perhaps spiritual meaning? I
should be grateful for any further information or references, if you
have them.
--- end forwarded message ---

Janet Hamilton

--
mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/





Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:22:08 -0400 (AST)
From: Jean Villemaire <villemaire@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: Fortune Teller

Mike & Janet Hamilton wrote:

> What I would like to
> know right now, is if this game is also played in Japan.  If so, what
> is it's Japanese name? Is it considered to be true origami?  Have you
> ever heard it called spirit-catcher? Does it have, like many
> children's games, a deeper, traditional, perhaps spiritual meaning? I
> should be grateful for any further information or references, if you
> have them.

I once read the traditional fortune teller had a most utilitary function
as a salt dispenser...  I suppose playing with it was not aloud while
eating...  But it must have came afterwards.  I can also suppose there
could have been some spiritual contents for all that was related to
domestic rituals did.  And all taht contained salt also: salt was
considered as very precious.

Jean Villemaire
mailto:villemaire@videotron.ca





Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:16:43 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ultranet.ca>
Subject: Nagano Olympics Origami

The official origami versions of the Nagano Olympics mascots, the
"Snowlets" have been released. You can see them at
<http://wwwus.nagano.olympic.org/fun/activity/origami/origami_e.shtml>.
(Yes, I'm tooting my own horn here...I designed them...)

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:43:02 -0400 (AST)
From: Cathy <cathypl@generation.net>
Subject: Re: Tanteidan Convention book...

At 07:06 PM 1997/11/14 -0400, you wrote:
>
> There's a cool Yoda in the book that was taught at PCOC.
>
>I just folded Yoda. It is right at the top of any model I have ever seen!
>Glenn McNitt
>

Is it published anywhere, or only available in the Convention book?

                                 Cathy
******^^^^^*****^^^^^*****

Cathy Palmer-Lister
Ste. Julie, Quebec
Canada
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:17:09 -0400 (AST)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Sakoda's "Modern Origami"!!

>>      I don't think many stores  has Modern Origami in stock yet.    As an
>>author I am entitled to get books at a discount and am willing to send you
>>autographed  copies of the book.  I have a few advance copies that I just
>>received, and can get more if necessary.  The postoffice has a convenient
>>priority mailer in which the book can be placed and sent first class for
>>$3.00.  The book lists for $9.95 and if you are interested you can send me
>>a check $13 for each book and  the names you want on the autographed book.
>
>I'm interested. To what address should I send the check?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Robert
>
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:20:19 -0400 (AST)
From: Michael Montebello <florafauna@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE: "Oigami Police International"

Joseph,

"Draw and paste and eye"!  What are my scissors next?

The website looks interesting although you must have swallowed hard for those
directions. I'll let my 8 yr. old  daughter work on it tomorrow.

Your "somewhat" Silent Lurker,
 Michael M.
PS   Susan likes the site|!

See http://wwwus.nagano.olympic.org/fun/activity/origami/sukki/sukki_e.shtml

Go to the bottom:

"Draw on a mouth, wing feathers, and little foot. Paste on a big yellow eye.

You're all done!

Origami designs by Joseph Wu. Joseph Wu is webmaster of The Origami Page and a
member of the Japanese Origami associations Origami Tantei Dan and Nippon
Origami Association.

The Organizing Committee for the XVIII Olympic Winter Games, Nagano 1998
Copyright (c) 1997 NAOC & IBM Corporation. All rights reserved."





Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:29:59 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ultranet.ca>
Subject: RE: "Oigami Police International"

On Monday, November 17, 1997 7:20 PM, Michael Montebello
[SMTP:florafauna@classic.msn.com] wrote:
> "Draw and paste and eye"!  What are my scissors next?
>
> The website looks interesting although you must have swallowed hard for those
> directions. I'll let my 8 yr. old  daughter work on it tomorrow.

Well, I had to do it that way. They wanted the instructions simple enough for
kids to do. I had to stretch a bit for Sukki. He's a bit too hard, IMO.

Joseph Wu, Origami Artist & Multimedia Producer
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W: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:58:27 -0400 (AST)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Modern Origami Reprint Offer

 Modern Origami  has been reprintged by Dover Press and it should begin to
appear in bookstores which carries origami books and have the book's
availability brought to their attention.
     For those who would like a copy of a book and who are not near such
stores or who would like an autographed copy, I am preparing to send
autographed copies.  As an author I am entitled to get books at a discount
and
 have a few advance copies that I just received, and can get more if
necessary.        The postoffice has a convenient
priority mailer in which the book can be placed and sent first class for
$3.00.  The book lists for $9.95 and if you are interested you can send me
a check $13 for each book and  the names you want on the autographed book.
Since I get only a small advance for the book and no royalty at all, it
would allow me to earn a little toward a royalty if I play the role of
distributor, as well as writer.
     This offer is being made through the
internet and will hold only for the United States.  Foreign mailing would
be more expensive and troublesome and the collection of the money would not
be worth the trouble since banks charge so much for currency exchange.
     The book is also being published in Canada by the General Publishing
Co. and in the United Kingdom by Constable and Company.
James M. Sakoda, 411 County Road, Barrington, RI 02806





Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 00:35:18 -0400 (AST)
From: "Chamberlain, Clare" <Clare.Chamberlain@health.wa.gov.au>
Subject:

Down to basics - kami, at least while I lived in Japan, simply means
paper - originally hand made, I guess, but now all paper.  Just for fun
(as origami should be), in Japanese the characters hand and paper
(tegami) mean letter, but if you write the same combination in China
you'd be writing toilet paper!! (hand made?  I'm not sure)

the in crease ingly heretical

clare
clare





Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 00:48:05 -0400 (AST)
From: amacd@bmi.net (Alice MacDonald)
Subject: Re: SIMPLE dinos wanted

There's a fairly simple one in Florence Temko's book "Made with Paper",
pp. 86-87.





Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 03:26:14 -0400 (AST)
From: Paul Vandine <pvandine@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Nagano Olympics Origami

I went and checked them out and they were great!  But on a Kids page
?? <G>

Congrats!

Paul

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 03:32:43 -0400 (AST)
From: Paul Vandine <pvandine@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: SIMPLE dinos wanted

> It's actually a design I came up with as well (one crease - such
> talent!) but it's not recognisable unless you tell people what it is &
> there's no head or tail....

UNAFOLDER!!!!!!!  We have the Unafolder!!  Don't weasel your way out
of it Nick!! Onfe Fold = Unafold!  Ipso facto, Unabomber!!

Paul

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 03:48:06 -0400 (AST)
From: Paul Vandine <pvandine@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: SIMPLE dinos wanted

Ooops meant Unafolder in last line, Just saw the Unabomber story on
USA?? network just the other night and it just slipped out <G>!  Sorry
Nick , UNAFOLDER!!!

===
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---Paul Vandine <pvandine@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> > It's actually a design I came up with as well (one crease - such
> > talent!) but it's not recognisable unless you tell people what it
is &
> > there's no head or tail....
>
>
> UNAFOLDER!!!!!!!  We have the Unafolder!!  Don't weasel your way out
> of it Nick!! Onfe Fold = Unafold!  Ipso facto, Unabomber!!
>
>
> Paul
>
>
> ---
>
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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 08:20:32 -0400 (AST)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: SIMPLE dinos wanted

Paul Vandine <pvandine@rocketmail.com> sez

>UNAFOLDER!!!!!!!  We have the Unafolder!!  Don't weasel your way out
>of it Nick!! Onfe Fold = Unafold!  Ipso facto, Unabomber!!

Bit of a semantic leap from one crease folding to mass slaughter - have
you been inhaling?

all the best,

Nick Robinson

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 08:46:56 -0400 (AST)
From: Sean Murphy <murphysp@eisa.net.au>
Subject: Re: Tanteidan Convention book #3

Please will someone tell me how to unsubscribe from the group ? I have got
over 1000 messages and can't read them all. Thank you so much for your help
!!!

----------
> From: acpquinn@panther.middlebury.edu
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject: Re: Tanteidan Convention book #3
> Date: Wednesday, 29 October 1997 14:31
>
> At 07:36 PM 10/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >Would anyone like to batch an order from the US?  Maybe if we could get
> >6-12 copies, the fractional postage from Japan, plus $3 for US Priority
mail,
> >would be cheaper?  Does anyone know if this is worth trying to do?
> >
> >In poking around trying to find more info on this book, I stumbled into
> >    http://www.ask.or.jp/~origami/t/Media/NewBook/index-e.html
> >
> >The Origami Tanteidan's new book page.
> >
> >They also show 'Origami Sekai no Kabutomushi(Origami Beetles)' (though
> >no contact / ordering info is given).
> >
> >They also show 'Origami Science & Art' (proceedings from the 2nd annual
> >meeting of Origami Science and Technology).
> >
> >Is anyone interested in getting a bulk order of those?
>
> certainly...count me in (another unprofessional "me-too" message)
>
> alasdair





Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:13:33 -0400 (AST)
From: Wayne Ko <wko@istar.ca>
Subject: RE:  Fortune Teller

There apparently is a site with diagrams for the fortune teller on the web at:

http://sunsite.unc.edu/ranjit/fortune.html

I have not verified how good the diagrams are as I only did a quick search
for someone else with the same question.

Wayne Ko

Mike and Janet Hamilton wrote:

> Also, does anyone know of diagrams on the web?





Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:46:48 -0400 (AST)
From: Paul Vandine <pvandine@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: SIMPLE dinos wanted

===
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---Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Paul Vandine <pvandine@rocketmail.com> sez
>
> >UNAFOLDER!!!!!!!  We have the Unafolder!!  Don't weasel your way out
> >of it Nick!! Onfe Fold = Unafold!  Ipso facto, Unabomber!!
>
one crease folding to mass slaughter - have
> you been inhaling?
>

Yes!  But that's another story <G>.  No if you had waited for my
followup apology, almost immediately followed!  I stated I had watched
the Unabomber story on USA network I think and it just slipped out!  I
meant Ipso Facto Unafolder!!!

I notice you didn't deny the Unafolder allegation though!!
UNAFOLDER!!!!!!!  GAAAAAHHHH!!!

Laterz,

Paul

(sorry for linking you to Ted K.! :( )

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:32:00 -0400 (AST)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Nagano Olympics Origami

Joseph's Olympics Origami mascots are really neat.
Lively, fun graphics design of the pages, too. Now
they should get somebody like Fascinating Folds or
Kim's Cranes to run a special on the right kind of
duo paper, linked from the pages. ("The official
origami paper supplier to the Nagano Olympics"?)

I accessed the page through AOL and ran into another
AOL-Microsoft annoyance: AOL "took over" the access,
switched me to a page that said I needed an AOL update
and Microsoft Explorer 4 for a browser, and a whole
lot of other nonsense. I dislike MSExplorer (it has
many annoying habits, like taking over your system,
and its bookmark system stinks), so I keep on using
the older "native" AOL browser, which works fine for
most pages I want to use.

Sigh. Does Chairman Gates own the Nagano Olympics too?
I suppose now we'll be hearing about "The Official
Web Browser of the Nagano Olympics" ad nauseum. You'd
think that the web site of an international operation
like the Olympics should be accessible with just about
anything...

valerie_vann@compuserve.com





Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:25:30 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ultranet.ca>
Subject: Re: Nagano Olympics Origami

>I went and checked them out and they were great!  But on a Kids page
>?? <G>
>
>Congrats!

Well, that's what they were commissioned for, so that's what I did. As for
your guess on who the Unafolder is, you're way off. >;)

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:31:59 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ultranet.ca>
Subject: Re: FW: Nagano Olympics Origami

>Joseph's Olympics Origami mascots are really neat.
>Lively, fun graphics design of the pages, too. Now
>they should get somebody like Fascinating Folds or
>Kim's Cranes to run a special on the right kind of
>duo paper, linked from the pages. ("The official
>origami paper supplier to the Nagano Olympics"?)

Well, NAOC (Nagano Olympic Committee) is very closed-minded and very slow
to come to a decision. I don't think you'd ever be able to convince them to
do this. It took a huge amount of time to convince them that I was "worthy"
to do these designs since I'm not Japanese! Like they know anything about
origami...

>I accessed the page through AOL and ran into another
>AOL-Microsoft annoyance: AOL "took over" the access,
>switched me to a page that said I needed an AOL update
>and Microsoft Explorer 4 for a browser, and a whole
>lot of other nonsense. I dislike MSExplorer (it has
>many annoying habits, like taking over your system,
>and its bookmark system stinks), so I keep on using
>the older "native" AOL browser, which works fine for
>most pages I want to use.

Interesting...Sounds strange...(see below)

>Sigh. Does Chairman Gates own the Nagano Olympics too?
>I suppose now we'll be hearing about "The Official
>Web Browser of the Nagano Olympics" ad nauseum. You'd
>think that the web site of an international operation
>like the Olympics should be accessible with just about
>anything...

The Nagano Olympics pages are being done by IBM. When I was in their
offices in Tokyo, they were using Netscape. So what happened to your
browser seems rather strange to me.

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:54:13 -0400 (AST)
From: Edwin CORRIE <ec1078@bingo.baynet.de>
Subject: AW: Re: SIMPLE dinos wanted

Dear Nick,

Nobuyoshi Enomoto has a simple Stegosaurus in his book "Origami Wonderland"
which I imagine must be related to the one-fold version(s) you mention. I
don't have the book with me, but as far as I can remember it's a two-piece
model using a square folded in two for the plates and a diamond base for
the body with head and tail. If you want to use two sheets the same size,
you first have to blintz the one used for the plates. Not sure how he did
the head (there might even be legs too), but even just the simple addition
of a diamond base for the body does make it a lot more recognisable.

Come to think of it, Steve and Megumi Biddlealso had a similar model -
possibly a little more sophisticated. Again I don't have immediate access
to the instructions, but I think it was along the above lines.

Hope this is of some use.

Edwin

----------
>
> "Michael J. Naughton" <mjnaught@crocker.com> sez
>
> >Nick - have you considered Joseph Wu's (?) single-fold stegosaurus?
>
> It's actually a design I came up with as well (one crease - such
> talent!) but it's not recognisable unless you tell people what it is &
> there's no head or tail....
>
> all the best,
>
> Nick Robinson
>
> email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
> homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
> BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:18:58 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: the price of origami

I visited "The Christmas Store" (newly opened) in Cambridge, MA this
weekend.  This store is open for about 6 weeks each year, always in a
different location -- any place they can find that's available for
just the month of December.  It is an artist's collective and they
sell gorgeous upscale arts and crafts, mostly ornaments and gift
items.  Because it is run by the artist's themselves who take shifts
at the cash register and all the other jobs, their only expenses are
the rent and utilites, and the artists get to keep most of the sale
price of their goods.

One artist was selling origami cranes.  They came in two sizes.  The
large ones appeared to be made from hand (water?) colored papers and
the smaller ones were made from washi.  Each was strung on a colored
loop of thread with a little lead crystal bead at the bottom to keep
the thread from pulling through and to add a little sparkle.  The
larger ones came with their wings spread in a little cubical box.  The
small ones were folded flat in a little plastic baggie.  They had
cards with them summarizing the legend of Sadako, and explaining that
they are "Peace Cranes and promising that a percentage (what
percentage?) of the purchase price of each crane will be donated to a

The price?  Large: $18.95, Small: $7.00.

Don't be afraid to ask real money for your art.

        -- Jeannine Mosely





Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:23:13 -0400 (AST)
From: Brian Cox <briancox@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: RE: Fortune Teller

>I once read the traditional fortune teller had a most utilitary function
>as a salt dispenser...

In a book PAPER FOLDING for beginners.........William D. Murry and Francis J.
     Rigney
 revised Dover 1960 from a 1928 publication of Fun with Paper Folding, the
     fortune
teller is referred to as a salt cellar and is sometimes called a pig's foot. It
     is used
as a salt cellar in  How Charlie Bought His Boat- A Paper Folding Story at the
     end of
the book. Many characters are made from the single sheet to tell the  story.
Brian Cox





Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:27:02 -0400 (AST)
From: Paul Vandine <pvandine@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: FW: Nagano Olympics Origami

===
World Peace Through Origami

     It could be the fact that AOL is weird, compared to Netscape
Navigator, and just wants her to change over to MSIE 4.0 as almost
everyone using the latest version is supposed to do.  I myself will
stick with Netscape Navigator and a local ISP, if I need something, I
can always find it!

     About the Unafolder, you?? <G>
if not, do you know who is?  If so, why the secrecy??  Also everyone
wants to know how to do a Unafold!!  Please enlighten us!!

Thanks

Later

Paul

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:31:09 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ultranet.ca>
Subject: Re: FW: Nagano Olympics Origami

>     It could be the fact that AOL is weird, compared to Netscape
>Navigator, and just wants her to change over to MSIE 4.0 as almost
>everyone using the latest version is supposed to do.  I myself will
>stick with Netscape Navigator and a local ISP, if I need something, I
>can always find it!

We may never know. 8)

>     About the Unafolder, you?? <G>
>if not, do you know who is?  If so, why the secrecy??  Also everyone
>wants to know how to do a Unafold!!  Please enlighten us!!

Nope. Not me. Why the secrecy? Why not? Take a look at his web page and
you'll know. >8)

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:34:44 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ultranet.ca>
Subject: Re: the price of origami

>One artist was selling origami cranes.  They came in two sizes.  The
>large ones appeared to be made from hand (water?) colored papers and
>the smaller ones were made from washi.  Each was strung on a colored
>loop of thread with a little lead crystal bead at the bottom to keep
>the thread from pulling through and to add a little sparkle.  The
>larger ones came with their wings spread in a little cubical box.  The
>small ones were folded flat in a little plastic baggie.  They had
>cards with them summarizing the legend of Sadako, and explaining that
>they are "Peace Cranes and promising that a percentage (what
>percentage?) of the purchase price of each crane will be donated to a
>organization that works for peace.
>
>The price?  Large: $18.95, Small: $7.00.
>
>Don't be afraid to ask real money for your art.

But Jeannine, this ISN'T real money for what is being provided. When you
factor in the cost of the paper, the thread, the lead crystal, the box, the
cards, the printing cost, and the donation, you're left with very little
money to pay for the time required to fold the things in the first place.
It's something to do for fun and to make a little money, but it's
definitely not profitable. Now the work that I do with advertising agencies
and TV production studios...THAT'S profitable!

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:41:27 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: Fortune Teller

----------
> From: Wayne Ko
> There apparently is a site with diagrams for the fortune teller on the
web at:
>
> http://sunsite.unc.edu/ranjit/fortune.html
>

I am getting to this url but then get urls not found when I try to get to
the diagrams. Anybody else try to get there?

Thanks Jeff Kerwood
jkerwood@usaor.net





Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:18:40 -0400 (AST)
From: michael gebis <gebism@std.teradyne.com>
Subject: Re: the price of origami

>>>>> "Jeannine" == Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
>>>>> wrote the following on Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:18:58 -0400 (AST)

  Jeannine> The price?  Large: $18.95, Small: $7.00.

  Jeannine> Don't be afraid to ask real money for your art.

I think I took an entirely different lesson away from these prices.
Something about the birthrate of suckers.





Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:24:32 -0400 (AST)
From: "Daniel J. Byrne & Candice Bradley" <djbyrne@pop.athenet.net>
Subject: Re: the price of origami (with some Voltaire folded in)

michael gebis wrote:

> I think I took an entirely different lesson away from these prices.
> Something about the birthrate of suckers.

Hey, not everyone has the time and  inclination to sit down and (learn
to) fold.  It takes skill and creativity to produce even a crane,
especially to do so with beauty.  If the chic crowd wants to pay "good"
money to have origami hanging on the tree, that's just one more thing in
their lives they're paying for -- not as suckers, but as folks who tend
to pay others to do what they perhaps find too menial or uneconomical to
do for themselves.   While I value the artistic, creative and spiritual
(even meditative) experience of doing origami, I do not expect everyone
else around me to understand.  Some of those folks will see "only" a
crane made out of pretty paper with a bead and string, something "cute"
or decorative to hang on a tree.  I don't think those people are
necessarily suckers.  They just don't have as rich an experience as I
have, and perhaps those lives are more vacuous and unrewarding overall.

One of my favorite quotes is from Candide.  At the end of the tale the
philosopher Pangloss is still spouting his ridiculous philosophy, and
Candide responds that all that philosophy might be right, but still they
have to work in the garden.  Then they all go back to hoeing in the
garden.   To me, origami is like hoeing and people who buy it are just
talking about it.    I would rather hoe.

cb

--
                       Candice Bradley
                     Appleton, Wisconsin
                 email:  djbyrne@athenet.net
                 candice.bradley@lawrence.edu
             http://www.lawrence.edu/~bradleyc/





Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:35:03 -0400 (AST)
From: Paul Vandine <pvandine@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: the price of origami

    I tend to agree with Michael!  I feel sorry for them people paying
such a high price,  I won't even sell my origami,  I end up giving it
to waitresses and store employyes, and friends, but sell them, nope.
     If you think about it, at least the way I look at it, it sort of
negates the spirit of Origami.  I can however see paying for the
knowledge of how to fold an original, but actually sell the finished
product??  Not from me!

Have a good day all!

Peace out!

Paul

===
World Peace Through Origami

---michael gebis <gebism@std.teradyne.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> "Jeannine" == Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
> >>>>> wrote the following on Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:18:58 -0400 (AST)
>
>   Jeannine> The price?  Large: $18.95, Small: $7.00.
>
>   Jeannine> Don't be afraid to ask real money for your art.
>
> I think I took an entirely different lesson away from these prices.
> Something about the birthrate of suckers.
>
>

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:51:20 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ultranet.ca>
Subject: Re: the price of origami

>    I tend to agree with Michael!  I feel sorry for them people paying
>such a high price,  I won't even sell my origami,  I end up giving it
>to waitresses and store employyes, and friends, but sell them, nope.
>     If you think about it, at least the way I look at it, it sort of
>negates the spirit of Origami.  I can however see paying for the
>knowledge of how to fold an original, but actually sell the finished
>product??  Not from me!

Don't get me started.

All I'll say this time is: my last origami job earned me US$4000. My
current one will bring in CDN$950. There's a market. Skill and talent are
appreciated. Art is art. I still give away things, but when a paying job
comes along, I charge what I think I'm worth.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Producer, DNA Productions Inc.
t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: joseph@dna.bc.ca





Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:44:28 -0400 (AST)
From: Mike & Janet Hamilton <Mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Fortune Teller

Wayne Ko wrote:

> There apparently is a site with diagrams for the fortune teller on the web at:
>
> http://sunsite.unc.edu/ranjit/fortune.html
>
> I have not verified how good the diagrams are as I only did a quick search
> for someone else with the same question.

Thanks - I had found the same site, but the directory linked to apparently
     doesn't
exist anymore.

Janet Hamilton

--
mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/





Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:43:13 -0400 (AST)
From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@sci.fi>
Subject: Re: Modern Origami Reprint Offer

>The book lists for $9.95 and if you are interested you can send me
>a check $13 for each book and  the names you want on the autographed book.
>...
>     This offer is being made through the
>internet and will hold only for the United States.  Foreign mailing would
>be more expensive and troublesome and the collection of the money would not
>be worth the trouble since banks charge so much for currency exchange.

What if I send you $20 in cash? Ordering it through a bookshop would
be more expensive, and I still have some cash which I exchanged for
shareware payments etc.

Best wishes,
Jorma

--
Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

They say I'm negative and indifferent, but I refuse to care.





Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:48:53 -0400 (AST)
From: Kim Best <kim.best@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: Modern Origami Reprint Offer

James M. Sakoda wrote:
>.The postoffice has a convenient

> priority mailer in which the book can be placed and sent first class for
> $3.00.  The book lists for $9.95 and if you are interested you can send me
> a check $13 for each book and  the names you want on the autographed book.

Sounds great to me.  Where do we send the check?

--
Kim Best                            ************************************
                                    * I've come to the conclusion that *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * origami, isn't folding so much,  *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * as it is precision crumpling.    *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         ************************************





Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:27:06 -0400 (AST)
From: Terry Bastian <tbastian@dmv.com>
Subject: Sightings.....

The wife mentioned that she just reciently was watching "Rupert" on
Nickelodeon the other day (with the kids) and the entire show was about
origami.... Rupert happened upon an island inhabited by origami creatures
and plants and such... So there is another sighting for ya esp. oriented to
the kids....

Terry B

Knowledge is the Perfection of FAITH....
Come! walk the path and take upon yourself the Quest for True Knowledge..

Come and visit.....
Etherian Dream Weavers Place....
Where the mind dares to wander and one's future is not written in stone..
http://home.dmv.com/~tbastian

there once was a fellow named Bastian
whose manner was at times exasperin'**
when queried by friends "why?"
he'd reply on the sly;
"if I weren't, you'd need lots more aspirin"

** as in exasperating
 -B.K.Downing'1997'-





Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:31:50 -0400 (AST)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Kim Best

>James M. Sakoda wrote:
>>.The postoffice has a convenient
>
>> priority mailer in which the book can be placed and sent first class for
>> $3.00.  The book lists for $9.95 and if you are interested you can send me
>> a check $13 for each book and  the names you want on the autographed book.
>
>Sounds great to me.  Where do we send the check?
>
>--
>Kim Best                            ************************************
>                                    * I've come to the conclusion that *
>Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * origami, isn't folding so much,  *
>420 Chipeta Way #120                * as it is precision crumpling.    *
>Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         ************************************
To:  James M. Sakoda, 411 County Road, Barrington, RI 02806





Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:55:21 -0400 (AST)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Mailing cost for priority mailer

For those of you who are planning to send me $3  for the priority mail cost
and $10 for the reprint of Modern Origami, I have found that the mailer
will just hold two copies of Modern Origami.  Anything that can fit into
the mailer goes for the two pound price of $3.  I have checked with the
postoffice about this and have confirmed that two books weighing about four
pounds can be safely sent in the mailer, which is available free of charge
at the post office.  This is of course limited to the United States.
Hence, those sending for two books need to enclose only $3 for mailing, and
$6 for three books.  For four books it is $6 and for five $9.  For those
who have sent more than necessary, I will send back a check for the refund.
James M. Sakoda, 411 County Road, Barrington, RI 02806





Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:06:00 -0400 (AST)
From: Bryan Feir <jenora@istar.ca>
Subject: Re: the price of origami

On Tue, 18 Nov 1997, Joseph Wu wrote:

> All I'll say this time is: my last origami job earned me US$4000. My
> current one will bring in CDN$950. There's a market. Skill and talent are
> appreciated. Art is art. I still give away things, but when a paying job
> comes along, I charge what I think I'm worth.

   No complaints here either.  I give away pieces to friends, but when a
friend started asking me about the possibility of a hundred sets of
matched figures for a wedding reception, you'd better believe I started to
talk price...  that little project took me a couple of months to finish
folding in most of my spare time.  Much as I like this friend (and I ended
up charging her a lot less than it was worth, though being my first big
project I didn't know what to charge), there was no way something that big
was going to get done for free before a deadline.

---------------------------+---------------------------------------------------
Bryan Feir           VA3GBF|"Advertising may be described as the science of
bryan@sgl.crestech.ca      | arresting human intelligence long enough to get
jenora@istar.ca            | money from it."          -- Stephen Leacock





Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:46:11 -0400 (AST)
From: Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
Subject: Re: the price of origami

On Tue, 18 Nov 1997, Paul Vandine wrote:

>     I tend to agree with Michael!  I feel sorry for them people paying
> such a high price,  I won't even sell my origami,  I end up giving it
> to waitresses and store employyes, and friends, but sell them, nope.
>      If you think about it, at least the way I look at it, it sort of
> negates the spirit of Origami.  I can however see paying for the
> knowledge of how to fold an original, but actually sell the finished
> product??  Not from me!

Ever try giving out washi folded models, or something that was wet-folded?
Washi does not come cheap--I would charge $1 for a folded washi model just
to get reimbursed on the cost of paper (kami I would and do just throw
over my shoulder).  If I wet-fold something at someone's request, I would
charge them the $2 that the Canford paper costs.

Just my 2 cents.





Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:34:55 -0400 (AST)
From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net>
Subject: Re: the price of origami

> Now the work that I do with advertising agencies
> and TV production studios...THAT'S profitable!
>
By any chance does that mean you know what folds the hershey people used in
thier commercial??
Perry





Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:37:13 -0400 (AST)
From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@sci.fi>
Subject: Re: Prehistoric Origami model sizes

On 14-Nov-97, Jorma Oksanen (tenu@sci.fi) wrote:

>Here are the finished model sizes for most of the models
>in Montroll's "Prehistoric Origami", from 10" paper:

>Parasaurolophus  7.1"
>Struthiomimus    9.5"
>...

Note that these lengths were measured like the models could be
stretched straight, like living animals would be measured.

Jorma
--
Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

They say I'm negative and indifferent, but I refuse to care.





Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:38:19 -0400 (AST)
From: Marcia Joy Miller <marciajmiller@hotmail.com>
Subject: Large (duo or mono) paper for complex models?

Hi Everybody!  I am asking what large paper you would recommend for
folding of complex models.  I am finding that wrapping paper and
Fadeless are not often suitable and that florist foil is difficult for
spread squash folds and reversing.  I am interested in paper that would
work for models that require contrast as well as paper for models for
which contrast is not important.  Thank you.
                                          Marcia Joy Miller

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:39:19 -0400 (AST)
From: Paul Vandine <pvandine@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: the price of origami

$4000 US??? Well for that kind of money . . .  <G> anytime you need
anyone to help out on a $4000 us job, let me know!

Laterz

Peace out!

Paul
===
World Peace Through Origami

> All I'll say this time is: my last origami job earned me US$4000. My
> current one will bring in CDN$950. There's a market. Skill and
talent are
> appreciated. Art is art.

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:46:40 -0400 (AST)
From: ktomlinson@platinum.com
Subject: Littleton, MA Origami Group Meeting

Hi,

Since switching our e-mail software, I've lost some of the addresses of
members of the Littleton group. Sorry for the mass-posting the rest of you;
it's the best way to reach everyone.

At our last meeting, there was some discussion about choosing a day other
than the 25th due to the Thanksgiving holiday.  (The 25th is OK with me,
how many would like another day?).

Another possibility would be to combine our November and December meeting
since the normal December meeting time will also fall before a holiday.

Some ideas:  1. meet on Nov. 25th for those who can make it.   2. Meet in
early December instead.
3. Meet in early December in addition to the 25th.  4. Other ideas????

Please send me e-mail directly so I can add your addresses to my new
software (also, I'm too busy to read my digests).

Thanks,

Kristine
ktomlinson@platinum.com





Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:46:04 -0400 (AST)
From: ladyada@tiac.net (joyce saler)
Subject: Re: Littleton, MA Origami Group Meeting

Kristine
I would like to meet on the 25th and early December. I am eager to show and
tell from PCOC. My enthusiasm to teach might have abated by early December
when I realize what I have undertaken for an Origami Christmas.
Joyce





Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:56:34 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ultranet.ca>
Subject: RE: the price of origami

On Wednesday, November 19, 1997 4:35 AM, Perry Bailey
[SMTP:pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net] wrote:
> By any chance does that mean you know what folds the hershey people used in
> thier commercial??
> Perry

Sorry, nope.

Joseph Wu, Origami Artist & Multimedia Producer
T: (604)730-0306 x 105    F: (604)732-7331   E: josephwu@ultranet.ca
W: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:15:30 -0400 (AST)
From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@sci.fi>
Subject: Cutting small squares

I found a new way to cut small squares from foil. I taped chocolate
wrappers onto checked paper from all edges, then marked horizontal
lines with a slightly sharpened credit card edge (my favorite folding
tool), and cut strips along vertical lines. All that was left was to
cut strips to squares along the horizontal marks. If you are sure you
can hold strips in place with your ruler, you can try cutting them in
place without extra marks.

Fast, easy, no extra marks on foil, and should work with paper too.
You could also try this method for pre-crease designs, just remember
to use non-cutting tool for vertical lines too :)

--
Jorma "size matters" Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

They say I'm negative and indifferent, but I refuse to care.





Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:29:28 -0400 (AST)
From: Rob Moes <robert.moes@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Large (duo or mono) paper for complex models?

>Hi Everybody!  I am asking what large paper you would recommend for
>folding of complex models.  I am finding that wrapping paper and
>Fadeless are not often suitable and that florist foil is difficult for
>spread squash folds and reversing.

For large complex models I usually end up using plain old aluminum foil or
foil gift-wrap that has been spray-glued onto thin durable paper of choice.
I like mulberry paper (can be expensive but worth it for a show-piece) or
any paper with a high cotton fiber content.  Dick Blick has had a selection
of thin papers from Thailand, which I enjoyed--very reasonably priced.
Have not checked with them in a while.  Tissue paper is fine, but
beware...the cheap ones tend to use unstable dyes.

The foil is very helpful when it's a model intended for display, such as
the Maekawa Demon, which I was still able to get to stand when made out of
24-inch paper, backed with foil.  Otherwise these models with the multiple
layers can get a bit floppy or seem to want to unfold....   :(   Fabric
stiffener is an option I have not tried.

I did stumble upon Kiwi Leather Dye, as a neat option!  I wasn't happy with
the crease marks showing through as white on my black Maekawa demon, so I
partly unfolded him and painted him with the stuff.  It imparts an intense
smooth, shiny black, almost a rubbery finish that is very pliable and
durable--the only downside is that it is quite messy to handle before it
dries, and I found latex gloves to be helpful.  Have fun experimenting!

Rob
robert.moes@snet.net





Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:07:21 -0400 (AST)
From: John Smith <jon.pure@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Half a square

I have just reviewed Thoki Yenn's superb video on Origami and Kirigami. In
it he suggests folding a square in half along the diagonal, making a
triangle which is then half the area of the original square. If you blintz a
square then you have a square which is again half of the area of the
original square. The same result is obtained by folding in half, edge to
edge. Thoki then says there are any number of ways of folding to get half
the area of the original square. I can see that if you bookfold you will get
a rectangle half the square area, and since you can bookfold to any line
parallel to a side you have the same result. Thus there are an infinite
number of ways of getting the half square area.

But are there any other ways of doing the half square? If not how can you
prove that there are no other solutions?

Help,

 regards John.
John Smith
Norwich
England
e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:29:29 -0400 (AST)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Large (duo or mono) paper for complex models?

Robert Moes indited:

+The foil is very helpful when it's a model intended for display, such as
+the Maekawa Demon, which I was still able to get to stand when made out of
+24-inch paper, backed with foil.  Otherwise these models with the multiple
+layers can get a bit floppy or seem to want to unfold....   :(   Fabric
+stiffener is an option I have not tried.

Since no one has yet jumped in with this one...  I'd also suggest wet
folding.  If you are making a large model, you can wet-fold it from
Elephant Hide or Watercolor/charcoal paper, or back coated layers of
Unryu...  Some of those papers can be thick, but Robert Lang has posted
about the wonders and other-worldly powers of Elephant Hide in the
past.  Check the origami-l archives for past messages extolling some of
the those papers and techniques.

Personally, I've used florists foil and other foil backed papers and I much
much much prefer wet folding.  Foil paper is very nice and sculptable, but it
is also very fragile.  Wet folded models, when dry, are very rugged.  The
fragility of foil models makes them much more tedious to ship and practicly
inappropriate for anything that is going to be "touchable".  My opinion only,
your mileagle WILL vary!

+I did stumble upon Kiwi Leather Dye, as a neat option!
..
+dries, and I found latex gloves to be helpful.  Have fun experimenting!

Cool!  That's one I've not heard before... Hmmm...

-D'gou

P.S.  For the ultra lazy, you get help on accessing the origami-l archives
via email:
    send your message to: origami@ftp.rug.nl
    in the BODY of your message put the word
        HELP
    on a line all by itself.
    I've found this service to be very timely (usually less than 10 minutes to
        get a reply).





Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:38:45 -0400 (AST)
From: Bren Riesinger <fascfold@fascinating-folds.com>
Subject: Modern Origami and new Papers

Greetings all -
Our shipment of Modern Origami by Dr. Sakoda just arrived today.  The
details are on the website - see Origami Books H-N
We also recently added several new papers from Canada - see Origami Prints
(Item #s1501, 1502, 1503 and 1504) and Origami Papers/Special (Item # 1505,
1506, and 1507)  #1507 is a great collection of marbled papers - definitely
a little different from the traditional Japanese prints.

The Kai Washi paper I mentioned earlier is in house now and we're already
swamped :-)  Details are in the Artisan Paper section.

Thanks and happy folding -
Bren
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - -
Fascinating Folds
Suppliers for Origami and the Paper Arts
http://www.fascinating-folds.com





Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:37:56 -0400 (AST)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: Prehistoric Origami model sizes

Jorma wrote:

>>Parasaurolophus  7.1"
>>Struthiomimus    9.5"
>>...
>
>Note that these lengths were measured like the models could be
>stretched straight, like living animals would be measured.

Ehm.... how many of these LIVING animals have you actually measured ????

:-) :-) :-)

Roberto
         _\|/_
        ( o o )
=====-oOO-(_)-OOo-========+
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ITALY                     |  what I have written ! :-)
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:39:35 -0400 (AST)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: the price of origami

Paul,
At 11.39 19/11/1997 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>$4000 US??? Well for that kind of money . . .  <G> anytime you need
>anyone to help out on a $4000 us job, let me know!

Please join the queue, my friend......

<:-D

Roberto
         _\|/_
        ( o o )
=====-oOO-(_)-OOo-========+
Roberto Morassi           |
Via Palestro 11           |  Please DON'T quote my full
51100 PISTOIA             |  message in reply... I KNOW
ITALY                     |  what I have written ! :-)
tel & fax (+)39-573-20436 |
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:55:23 -0400 (AST)
From: "J. Robert A. Lemieux" <rlemieux@ma.ultranet.com>
Subject: Re: Littleton, MA Origami Group Meeting

Hi,

The 25th is also OK with me.

Bob





Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:29:03 -0400 (AST)
From: Rob Moes <robert.moes@snet.net>
Subject: an alternative to spray glue?

Someone asked me about this in a follow-up to my post about preparing
foil-backed paper.

I can think of one alternative.  Get some glue stick and give it a try--I
like Uhu Stic Color from Germany that rubs on purple and dries clear.  It
is non-toxic and safe for kids.  Apply it to the *foil* and I think it will
make less of a mess.  It is fairly forgiving if you have to reposition the
paper on top.  Be sure to give it enough time to dry, otherwise it will
slide on you.  I have gotten out the iron and used that on a low setting
when I'm in a hurry.

For miniatures I have been very happy with this method.  Good luck!

Rob
robert.moes@snet.net





Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:34:19 -0400 (AST)
From: rickbissell@ncweb.com
Subject: faith restored

Several days ago I posted a message with some fairly disparaging remarks
about OrigamiUSA.  This was regarding an order that I had placed with the
Lending Library several months ago that had never been delivered.  I'll
admit that I was not having one of my better days when I posted the message.

I just wanted to report that I was pleasantly surprised tonight to receive
a call from Maria Velazquez at OrigamiUSA.  She had apparently been alerted
of my complaint by one of the readers of this list  and took some time to
check it out.  She politely explained to me the situation with my order and
assured me that it was on its way.   She suggested that if I have any
problems in the future to please just give them a call.   Good advice.

So thank you; to whomever passed along my message, and to OrigamiUSA and
Marie for taking such a personal interest in my concerns.   And to all,
please accept my apologies for the little rant that I posted earlier.

-- Rick Bissell
        -- Rick





Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 03:42:19 -0400 (AST)
From: FoldingCA@webtv.net (Dorothy Engleman)
Subject: Statue of Liberty

Hello again,

David Shall has kindly given me permission to include his magnificent
Statue of Liberty model in my television show, "Folding California".

Does anyone have a well-folded Statue of Liberty they are willing to
contribute to "Folding California"?  (Statue will be returned to you
after shoot).

Or is anyone familiar with this model and willing to fold it to David's
specifications?

I will provide a videotape of the folding instructions and a photo of
the completed model.  Statue of Liberty must be folded before the end of
December.

Please contact me ASAP if you can help.

Thank you,
Dorothy Engleman

FoldingCA@webtv.net





Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 04:39:07 -0400 (AST)
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Half a square

John Smith wrote:

If you blintz a square then you have a square which is again half of the area
of the original square. The same result is obtained by folding in half, edge
to edge. Thoki then says there are any number of ways of folding to get half
the area of the original square..[snip].. Thus there are an infinite number
of ways of getting the half square area. But are there any other ways of
doing the half square? If not how can you prove that there are no other
solutions?

Taking the problem as, "how many ways can you fold a square into another
square with half the area of the original," there are an infinite number of
ways. If you take two cross pleats in the square you can easily remove half
of the area while leaving the shape square and you can put each pleat
anywhere along the side of the square (or even use more than one pleat in
each direction).

However, if you further stipulate that there must be exactly two layers of
paper everywhere, then I'd venture that John's conjecture -- that blintzing
is the unique solution -- is correct.

Robert J. Lang
rjlang@aol.com





Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 05:31:40 -0400 (AST)
From: helena@mast.queensu.ca
Subject: Re:  Half a square

I agree; I've just been playing round with a square for
a while; I reckon the first fold just about determines
everything, and it's pretty simple to go through all the
possibilities.  You need to prove to yourself that the
first fold must fold the paper all inside the original
square, ie, not overlap so it's overhanging somewhere.
Then either the first fold is a fold paralell to the edge,
which gives the cupboard door thing (or a thing like a boat
if you half blintz it); otherwise the first fold is a
triangle; the you have to fold the other corners in to
meet up somehow.  Draw a little diagram, lable all the lengths;
you get a little quadratic equation and the only solution is
the blintz...
How about trying to get a square of one quater the area, where
you are only allowed exactly four layers at any point?
I bet there is no way to get a square of 1/3 the area with
three layers at any point.  What kinds of shapes can you get
with 1/3 the area and 3 layers at any point?
Now do the same for 1/2^n sized square with 2^n layers at any
point.
Is it true that it's impossible to get any square of size 1/r
with r layers everywhere for r not a power of 2?

Helena
helena@mast.queensu.ca
http://www.mast.queensu.ca/~helena/origami/





Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 05:42:33 -0400 (AST)
From: helena@mast.queensu.ca
Subject: Re:  Half a square

Whoopse, r=m^2 is always easy; better say r not a square





Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:25:06 -0400 (AST)
From: youngcj@ix.netcom.com (Carole Young)
Subject: Re: an alternative to spray glue?

Just a newbie, but adding to the glue stick issue:  the makers of Post
It Notes (3M) also make a post it glue stick and many other have lept
in with similar products.  Sticks and unsticks easily.

Carole

You wrote:
>
>Someone asked me about this in a follow-up to my post about preparing
>foil-backed paper.
>
>I can think of one alternative.  Get some glue stick and give it a
try--I
>like Uhu Stic Color from Germany that rubs on purple and dries clear.
It
>is non-toxic and safe for kids.  Apply it to the *foil* and I think it
will
>make less of a mess.  It is fairly forgiving if you have to reposition
the
>paper on top.  Be sure to give it enough time to dry, otherwise it
will
>slide on you.  I have gotten out the iron and used that on a low
setting
>when I'm in a hurry.
>
>For miniatures I have been very happy with this method.  Good luck!
>
>Rob
>robert.moes@snet.net





Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:03:01 -0400 (AST)
From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@sci.fi>
Subject: Re: Half a square

On 19-Nov-97, John Smith (jon.pure@paston.co.uk) wrote:
>I have just reviewed Thoki Yenn's superb video on Origami and Kirigami. In
>it he suggests folding a square in half along the diagonal, making a
>triangle which is then half the area of the original square. If you blintz
a
>square then you have a square which is again half of the area of the
>original square. The same result is obtained by folding in half, edge to
>edge. Thoki then says there are any number of ways of folding to get half
>the area of the original square. I can see that if you bookfold you will
get
>a rectangle half the square area, and since you can bookfold to any line
>parallel to a side you have the same result. Thus there are an infinite
>number of ways of getting the half square area.

>But are there any other ways of doing the half square? If not how can you
>prove that there are no other solutions?

If you accept solutions which don't have exactly two layers of paper, any
crease going through the midpoint of square gives you upside area half of
the original, leaving none or two flaps showing underside which can then
be folded under. Or you can just crumble the square and flatten it so that
it has required area.

For two-layer solutions you could bookfold one side and blintz the other.

There might have been something about this problem in 'Origami Omnibus' but
I can't verify that as the local library's copy is in repairing. I already
asked them to hurry up...

--
Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

They say I'm negative and indifferent, but I refuse to care.
