




Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 20:12:59 -0400 (AST)
From: Robert Roos <rroos@alleg.edu>
Subject: Bridges Conference -- call for papers

I received the following announcement; it mentions "origami" as a
possible conference topic. I know there are readers of this list who
would be interested in contributing to such a conference.

I am not associated with this conference in any way; nor do I know Dr.
Sarhangi. So I'm afraid you now know as much about it as I do. (If you
know more, write to me and tell me about it!)

Bob Roos
rroos@alleg.edu

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:37:48 -0600 (CST)
From: Reza Sarhangi <sarhangi@jinx.sckans.edu>
Subject: Bridges Conference

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SOUTHWESTERN COLLEGE

ANNOUNCES

THE FIRST ANNUAL CONFERENCE
OF
BRIDGES:
MATHEMATICAL CONNECTIONS IN ART, MUSIC AND SCIENCE

JULY 28-30, 1998

Suggested Topics:
Fractals, Math and Music, Tessellations, Geometry in Quilting
M.C. Escher Work, Math and 3-Dimensional Art, Origami
Symmetry & Asymmetry in Psychology, Computer-Generated Art
Math and Art in Culture, Art in Hyperbolic Geometry

Invited Contributors:
Brent Collins, Sculptor, Kansas City, Missouri
Carlo H. Sequin, Computer Scientist, UC, Berkeley
Dan Daniel, Integrative Studies, Southwestern College
Margit Echols, Geometric Quilt Maker, New York
Pozzi Escot, Musician & Mathematician, New England Conservatory
Nat Friedman, Mathematician & Artist, SUNY at Albany
Martin Golubitsky, Mathematician, University of Houston
Michael Leyton, Psychologist, Rutgers University
Michael Stephens, Director of Art Research Center, Missouri

The Conference publishes a refereed proceedings of presented papers.
Submitted papers will be classified as regular papers (up to 6 pages of
proceedings), short papers (up to 3 pages), and abstracts (200 words to 1
page).  Regular and short papers accepted for publication should follow the
proceedings format and be camera ready; however, for review they don't need
to follow a set format.  Interested authors of short and regular papers must
submit their papers by 12/20/1997 for review.  The authors will be notified
of their papers' status and in case of acceptance will receive  papers for
revision by 2/20/1998.  They need to resubmit the papers in formatted,
revised form by 4/20/1998.  In this step, the original clear figures and
graphs should be submitted with the papers.  There is no reviewing process
for abstracts.  The deadline for abstracts is 4/20/1998.  There is a
registration fee of $40.00 for each day or $100.00 for the entire conference
for participants.  Advanced registration is required for presenters.
Besides private lodging, Southwestern College offers rooms and meals on
campus.  Advanced registration is necessary for campus lodging.  Please
reserve your room by 4/20/1998.  Because of limits on available space for
lodging, every participant is advised to reserve a room.  For participants
who fly to Wichita (the closest airport to Winfield) and report their
arrival and departure times in advance, there will be transportation
available  from 4:00 pm - 10:00 pm on July 27 and from 9:00 am - 8:00 pm on
July 31.  For more information you may contact:
Professor Reza Sarhangi, Bridges, Southwestern College, 100 College Street,
Winfield, KS, 67156.
E-mail: sarhangi@jinx.sckans.edu,  Tel: (316) 221-8373, Fax: (316) 221.8224.
Home Page: http://www.sckans.edu/~bridges/

Reza Sarhangi
Mathematics Department
Southwestern College
100 College Street
Winfield, KS 67156

E-mail: sarhangi@jinx.sckans.edu
Tel:  (316) 221-8373
Fax:  (316) 221-8224
http: //www.sckans.edu/math/





Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 00:55:46 -0400 (AST)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Re: skill level

Candice, would appreciate if you would reprise your replies about skill
levels.  I just don't have time to read all of the postings but am very
interested and so might others.  Dorigami





Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 12:33:04 -0400 (AST)
From: Kenneth Lehner <lehner@lzmsmail.woodbridgenj.ncr.com>
Subject: Help with Japanese!

Origami enthusiasts,

In a burst of reckless spending, I ordered (and received in three days!)
Issei's "Super Complex Origami" and the "T-Rex" skeleton book.  The
former contains a triceratops skeleton, too.  Despite the possibility of
having to spend the rest of my life to complete these two models, I will
go ahead and attempt them (after folding my committed models for
"Folding California", of course :-).  I have two big questions, the answers
to which I can't glean from the Japanese-only text in these books:

What size paper to use for each piece?
Is that really wire that is used to hold 'em together, and how long should
each piece be (if the answer is other than "long enough")?

Thanks for any help anyone can offer to me





Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 13:21:13 -0400 (AST)
From: A.Welles@student.kun.nl
Subject: Super Complex Origami

Hey everybody,

I have tried to order Issei Yoshino's "Super Complex Origami", but because
I missed certain data I couldn't order it.

So, can anyone tell me: - The name of the publishing company
                     - The ISBN-number
                     - An estimated price
                     - What models are in it (I have seen the horse,
                          motorcycle and tiger, but what else is in it?)
Thanks already!

Arjan Welles
The Netherlands
(A.Welles@Student.kun.nl)





Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 13:28:15 -0400 (AST)
From: RPlsmn@aol.com
Subject: Re: Wetfolding

Can someone clue me in on he intricacies of wetfolding? Also what are the
odds of successfully completing a model wetfolded from a cigarette paper
soaked in airplane dope?
    thanks in advance ... Roger Plassmann - mad scientist





Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 18:39:43 -0400 (AST)
From: Kim Best <kim.best@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: Help with Japanese!

Kenneth Lehner wrote:

> Origami enthusiasts,
>
> In a burst of reckless spending, I ordered (and received in three days!)
> Issei's "Super Complex Origami" and the "T-Rex" skeleton book.  The
> former contains a triceratops skeleton, too.
>
> What size paper to use for each piece?

It doesn't matter as long as they are all the same size.  I used paper about 10
inches square,and go a T-Rex about a yard long and a Triceratops about 2 1/2
feet long.

> Is that really wire that is used to hold 'em together, and how long should
> each piece be (if the answer is other than "long enough")?

I believe that wire is used to hold the Triceratops together. I was never able
to
make out the instructions either.  However, I used heavy art paper used for
pastel drawing, and they came out stiff enough I did not need wire.  I did use
glue do hold them together though (Horrors!!!).

Also, instead of building the involved wooden stand, I found it easier to take
brass rods (about 1/8 inch in diameter) and bend them to form three separate
stands for each skeleton.  The result is less obtrusive too.

--
Kim Best                            ************************************
                                    * I've come to the conclusion that *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * origami, isn't folding so much,  *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * as it is precision crumpling.    *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         ************************************





Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 23:16:05 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ultranet.ca>
Subject: RE: Super Complex Origami

On Monday, November 03, 1997 9:21 AM, A.Welles@student.kun.nl
[SMTP:A.Welles@student.kun.nl] wrote:
> I have tried to order Issei Yoshino's "Super Complex Origami", but because
> I missed certain data I couldn't order it.
>
> So, can anyone tell me: - The name of the publishing company
>                - The ISBN-number
>                - An estimated price
>                - What models are in it (I have seen the horse,
>                           motorcycle and tiger, but what else is in it?)

That book was published by Gallery Origami House as part of its "Gallery Book
Series". It does not have an ISBN. It is listed at 2900 yen. I suggest that you
contact Mr. Yamaguchi at Gallery Origami House directly for the book. Here's
his address:

Gallery Origami House
1-33-8-216 Hakusan
Bunkyo-ku, Tokyo 113
Japan

If you wish to pay for it directly, you can send him a postal money order (no
cheques or bank drafts) for 2900 yen + 2280 yen (shipping, based on the
shipping charge for one issue of ORU magazine to Europe) and a letter
requesting the book.

Joseph Wu, Origami Artist & Multimedia Producer
T: (604)730-0306 x 105    F: (604)732-7331   E: josephwu@ultranet.ca
W: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 23:17:24 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ultranet.ca>
Subject: RE: Wetfolding

On Monday, November 03, 1997 9:28 AM, RPlsmn@aol.com [SMTP:RPlsmn@aol.com]
wrote:
> Can someone clue me in on he intricacies of wetfolding? Also what are the
> odds of successfully completing a model wetfolded from a cigarette paper
> soaked in airplane dope?
>     thanks in advance ... Roger Plassmann - mad scientist

Take a look in the "Information" section of my site for an article on
wetfolding (with a link to Nick Robinson's better article). As for wetfolding a
model out of cigarette paper soaked in dope, I'd say that it would be pretty
hard to do it. Wetfolding involves dampening the paper, not drenching it.

Joseph Wu, Origami Artist & Multimedia Producer
T: (604)730-0306 x 105    F: (604)732-7331   E: josephwu@ultranet.ca
W: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 02:14:29 -0400 (AST)
From: Gretchen Klotz Westlight <gren@agora.rdrop.com>
Subject: Ch-ch-ch-ch-changes...

Hello everyone!

It's been a little over a year since my last post to this list, and I
thought I'd catch you all up on what I've been doing.  Warning: the
origami content is at the very end!

First, you will notice that I have a new last name.  This is because I had
a baby in June and both my husband and I changed our last names to match
hers.  If anyone out there still has links to my web pages, I'd be
grateful if you'd update them to reflect my name change (Gretchen
Westlight).  Thanks!  Also, I've changed the title of The Crane Project to
The Okinawa Crane Project -- when I initiated the project, I had no idea
how many other crane projects there are out there!  (I know, I know, I was
very naive.)  Other than that, not much change on my web pages (and I
haven't checked all of the links lately, so forgive me if you do visit).

Having a baby is the main reason I've been off this list.  First I
unsubscribed because I was going on vacation last October, then I hit the
exhausted part of pregnancy, and then I found I was folding a lot more if
I wasn't reading all the email from the list, so I stayed off.  Now I'm
lucky if I can keep up with personal correspondence, so this'll be the
extent of my contributions for the foreseeable future.

Mostly I've been folding diapers these last 4 months, but I *am* planning
to attend PCOC (with my daughter), and am looking forward to meeting many
of you there.

To the folks that I owe paper, I haven't forgotten -- *really*!  I've just
been a bit distracted lately.  I have been cutting some new really nice
stuff, and have envelopes addressed and waiting to be filled.  Don't give
up on me yet!

Hey, Chris Palmer, if you're on the list, please get in touch with me,
especially if you'll be at PCOC.  I forgot to give you part of your
birthday present, and found it right after you left town.  Will bring it
if you'll be there.

ObOrigamiSection:  Anybody else with kids get the Walter Drake Kid's [sic]
Korner katalog?  See page 39 for the Window Stars Kit:

        Kids can make window stars bursting with color and design!
        Easy instructions show you how simple it is to make
        beautiful folded stars from colored paper.  Kit includes
        10 rainbow transparency papers to give pizazz to your
        magnificent creations.  Made for ages 6 and up with adult
        assistance.
               S6891  Window Stars Kit.....$9.95
               S6892  Rainbow Paper, S/10..$4.95

Call (800) 525-9291 to order. ;-)  Let us know what you think.  Pretty,
flat geometric modulars.  I'm curious about the paper quality.

- Gretchen

--
gren@agora.rdrop.com         http://www.ogi.edu/~gren/

    Proud Parent Pictures: http://www.ogi.edu/~don/kid.html





Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 06:45:33 -0400 (AST)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: paper about polygons (2)

David Dureisseix <David.Dureisseix@lmt.ens-cachan.fr> sez

>interested to see... But I am till now unable to find the good BOM
>issue into which this have been covered. Do you remember which
>BOM number is it ? Or if it has been published for one year, or more,

Sorry for the delay, BO 165. Roberto Morassi is perhaps the best person

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 09:35:23 -0400 (AST)
From: Jose Tomas Buitrago Molina <buitrago@maxwell.univalle.edu.co>
Subject: Colombian Origami Convention

Hello.
There is more information about our convention.

We had a television interview speaking about origami and the convention
and we'll have three radial interviews.
People form several places of our country will attend the convention,
Popayn, Bogot, Medelln, Bucaramanga, Manizales, Pereira, Palmira y
Cali. We are waiting for foreing people like you.

We hope you can attend. We are waiting for you!

More information in the page:
http://maxwell.univalle.edu.co/~buitrago/eventos.html (It's in spanish)

The convention will be on november 28th, 29th and 30th 1997.
It's a weekend. It will begin on friday evening (5 to 8 pm), and the
classes will be all the saturday and the sunday morning. On sunday
afternoon is the end of the convention. Almost all models are original
models.
There will be an exhibition and the saturday evening some fun activities
(scarvenger hunt, piatas).

The cost is US$30 (cheap!). This price includes a lot of paper for fold, a
case, a book with original models diagrams from colombian folders and an
attendance diploma.
The place is in Cali, near the pacific coast. It has about 2 millon habs.
The weather is similar to the summer season with sporadic rain. There're
many places to host in. The prices are very cheap compared with the usa's
ones. You can move through the city by bus with 30 cents or by taxi with 5
dollars. A normal lunch costs 2 dollars.
The change is: 1 dollar, 1280 colombian pesos.

If you need to know more, don't hesitate to write me again.
Good luck!

Our web page is at:
http://maxwell.univalle.edu.co/~buitrago/asociacion.html

Jose Tomas





Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 10:23:11 -0400 (AST)
From: Ariel <syn08@dataphone.se>
Subject: The missionary by Marc Kirschenbaum

Hi !!

        Is there anyone out there who successfully folded the Missionary, by
     Marc
Kirschenbaum ?

(http://www.rug.nl/rugcis/rc/ftp/origami/models.bin/missionary/index.htm )

        I tried, but I cannot follow the diagrams...it is even hard to see what
     it
is written...

        If someone did, I wonder if it would be possible to send it by post to
me..so that I can reverse-engineer the diagrams

                          thanks/Gracias/tack/Danke





Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 12:12:09 -0400 (AST)
From: David Dureisseix <David.Dureisseix@lmt.ens-cachan.fr>
Subject: Re: paper about polygons (2)

Thanks again for the precisions.

  Best regards.
--
 +---------------------------------------------------------------------+
 |    David DUREISSEIX                                                 |
 |      LMT CACHAN             fax : (33) 1 47 40 27 85                |
 |      61 Av du Pdt Wilson    tel : (33) 1 47 40 22 25                |
 |      F-94235 CACHAN CEDEX   e-mail : dureisse@lmt.ens-cachan.fr     |
 |      FRANCE         (depuis la France, remplacer (33) 1 par 01)     |





Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 13:59:28 -0400 (AST)
From: pat slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: Re: Ch-ch-ch-ch-changes...

> ObOrigamiSection:  Anybody else with kids get the Walter Drake Kid's [sic]
> Korner katalog?  See page 39 for the Window Stars Kit:
>
>       Kids can make window stars bursting with color and design!
>       Easy instructions show you how simple it is to make
>       beautiful folded stars from colored paper.  Kit includes
>       10 rainbow transparency papers to give pizazz to your
>       magnificent creations.  Made for ages 6 and up with adult
>       assistance.
>            S6891  Window Stars Kit.....$9.95
>            S6892  Rainbow Paper, S/10..$4.95
>

Gren,

Hearth Song sells the same kit, and I've heard the paper is glassine.
They have an actual store on California st. Perhaps we should head
there for some early xmas shopping at some point?

pat.





Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 16:21:59 -0400 (AST)
From: Teik Seong <tkteik@mbox2.singnet.com.sg>
Subject: Origami Galleries

Hello everyone,

        I was hopping around from site to site on the origami ring and realized
     that most of the galleries seem
to have photographed their models and then have them scanned in. And in the
     end, some of the photos
become unusable either because they are too dark or for some other reason.

        I was wondering if anyone does what I do, which is to scan the model
     directly. I use a normal flatbed,
and when placed vertically, it does a very good job of "photographing" all my
     models. Also, the scanning
creates a dark background making it easy for touching up too.

        So far, I feel that the results are better than photographing followed
     by scanning. I invite those
interested to visit my page at [http://web.singnet.com.sg/~tkteik], and leave
     your comments (if you have any)
in my guest book. :) Thanks!

Regards,
Teik.
[TK Continent :- http://web.singnet.com.sg/~tkteik]





Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 16:22:52 -0400 (AST)
From: RA Kennedy <kennedra@isdugp.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Super Complex Origami

> I have tried to order Issei Yoshino's "Super Complex Origami", but because
> I missed certain data I couldn't order it.

Since you are in the Netherlands, you may wish to try Silke Schroder in
Germany for this book. She imports an exceptional range of books from
Japan, and I'm fairly sure her list includes this book. The name of her
company is Viereck Verlag. I'm afraid I don't have her address with me this
evening. I'll try to locate it at home tonight - together with her price
for this book in DMs.

Richard K
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 16:23:50 -0400 (AST)
From: RA Kennedy <kennedra@isdugp.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Wetfolding - Doping

> > Can someone clue me in on he intricacies of wetfolding? Also what are the
> > odds of successfully completing a model wetfolded from a cigarette paper
> > soaked in airplane dope?

I seem to recall that doping tissue paper causes it to shrink, and to become
quite brittle. I think the doping may even provide some degree of water
proofing by sealing the surface, so I don't think doped thin paper is suitable
for folding, wet or dry. There's your chance - you can now try to prove me
wrong! What a challenge!

Sorry

Richard K
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 16:48:28 -0400 (AST)
From: RA Kennedy <kennedra@isdugp.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: UK glossy paper - Maxfield address

> The paper is Maxfield's. The paper is still available, either direct from
> Maxfield, or from BOS supplies (may even be available from OUSA). The last
> few packs I bought did not feature quite so many colours as you suggest.
> Also the colour shows strongly through the white side, which can detract in
> some models. I'll try to find the address for Maxfield, and post this week.

The address I have is:

John Maxfield Ltd.
93 Broadway
Mill Hill
London  NW7 3TG

I think they only supply mail order. Their paper may be available from a
few retail shops in the UK.

 Richard K.
 (R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 17:23:00 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: Origami Galleries

----------
> From: Teik Seong
>       I was hopping around from site to site on the origami ring and realized
that most of the galleries seem
> to have photographed their models and then have them scanned in. And in
the end, some of the photos
> become unusable either because they are too dark or for some other
reason.
>
>       I was wondering if anyone does what I do, which is to scan the model
directly. I use a normal flatbed,
> and when placed vertically, it does a very good job of "photographing"
all my models. Also, the scanning
> creates a dark background making it easy for touching up too.
>
>       So far, I feel that the results are better than photographing followed
by scanning. I invite those
> interested to visit my page at [http://web.singnet.com.sg/~tkteik], and
leave your comments (if you have any)
> in my guest book. :) Thanks!
>
>
> Regards,
> Teik.
> [TK Continent :- http://web.singnet.com.sg/~tkteik]
>

I know you said to leave comments in your guest book, so I did. But I also
had to make sure everyone takes the time to check this out. They are
TERRIFIC!!! Esp the dinasours. Nice job, I'm guessing you've started
something BIG here. Thanks for the cool tip.

BYE :-) Jeff Kerwood
jkerwood@usaor.net





Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 18:30:49 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ultranet.ca>
Subject: Re: Origami Galleries

>> From: Teik Seong
>>      I was hopping around from site to site on the origami ring and realized
>that most of the galleries seem
>> to have photographed their models and then have them scanned in. And in
>the end, some of the photos
>> become unusable either because they are too dark or for some other
>reason.
>>
>>      I was wondering if anyone does what I do, which is to scan the model
>directly. I use a normal flatbed,
>> and when placed vertically, it does a very good job of "photographing"
>all my models. Also, the scanning
>> creates a dark background making it easy for touching up too.
>>
>>      So far, I feel that the results are better than photographing followed
>by scanning. I invite those
>> interested to visit my page at [http://web.singnet.com.sg/~tkteik], and
>leave your comments (if you have any)
>> in my guest book. :) Thanks!

>I know you said to leave comments in your guest book, so I did. But I also
>had to make sure everyone takes the time to check this out. They are
>TERRIFIC!!! Esp the dinasours. Nice job, I'm guessing you've started
>something BIG here. Thanks for the cool tip.

I must disagree. Your scans are okay, but are very dark. Quite simply, you
are using your scanner in a way that it was not designed to be used.
Granted, your images are better than some photo scans that appear
elsewhere, but a well shot photo will always produce a better result than
your method. Also, note that many photos are taken in less-than-optimal
conditions. Photos taken at conventions, for example, are at the mercy of
bad lighting and worse composition. And yet, they are the only chance for
some people to see some of these works.

So please keep on showing us your works on your site. We DO want to see
them. But don't think that your scans are better than other people's just
because you are using a different technique to scan them. That's simply not
the case.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Joseph Wu, Producer, DNA Productions Inc.
t:604.730.0306 x 105     f: 604.732.7331     e: joseph@dna.bc.ca





Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 18:32:32 -0400 (AST)
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <contract@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: Origami Galleries

At 04:21 PM 11/4/97 -0400, Teik Seong" <tkteik@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> wrote:

>       I was wondering if anyone does what I do, which is to scan the model
directly. I use a normal flatbed,
>and when placed vertically, it does a very good job of "photographing" all
my models. Also, the scanning
>creates a dark background making it easy for touching up too.

I too have used the scanner for capturing origami images (which I later
trace over  to use with my other computer generated diagrams). My results
were simmilar to yours, with the exception of when I had to position
something in a 3-d position. Asides from the difficulty in keeping the
model in position (I have tried clams, and actually holding the model over
the scanner), the further away from the scnner the model is, the model
becomes almost pitch black. I have tried back lighting (with a flashlight),
which helped a bit. Also using non-metalic paper helps. Size should make a
difference, but I can only get so small before I loose detail. Given the
excellent results you achieved, I am sure you have some great tips to share.

Marc





Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 19:42:20 -0400 (AST)
From: Kim Best <kim.best@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: Super Complex Origami

Joseph Wu wrote:

> [SMTP:A.Welles@student.kun.nl] wrote:
> > I have tried to order Issei Yoshino's "Super Complex Origami", but because
> > I missed certain data I couldn't order it.
> That book was published by Gallery Origami House as part of its "Gallery Book
> Series". It does not have an ISBN. It is listed at 2900 yen. I suggest that
     you
> contact Mr. Yamaguchi at Gallery Origami House directly for the book. Here's
> his address:

You can also order it from Sasuga Japanese
Bookstore: http://world.std.com/~sasuga/origami1.html

--
Kim Best                            ************************************
                                    * I've come to the conclusion that *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * origami, isn't folding so much,  *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * as it is precision crumpling.    *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         ************************************





Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 20:47:47 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: Origami Galleries

> From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ultranet.ca>
> So please keep on showing us your works on your site. We DO want to see
> them. But don't think that your scans are better than other people's just
> because you are using a different technique to scan them. That's simply
not
> the case.

Well you have certainly seen more origami online (or otherwise) than I have
so I will defer to your experience. Would you cite a few examples so we (or
at least I) can see what the best is?

Thanks, Jeff Kerwood
jkerwood@usaor.net





Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 22:52:18 -0400 (AST)
From: rita <rstevens@philly.infi.net>
Subject: Flower Question

I am a friend of Rita's and I was hoping someone out there could help me
with a question regarding origami flower arrangements. I must create a
fictious market plan for a new product. I am currently taking a Marketing
class at Villanova University in Pennsylvania. I chose origami flower
arrangements as an alternative to silk flower arrangements. Has anyone seen
such an arrangement sold or available in your area? If so, could you please
give me a description and details of the arrangement and  where it could be
purchased?  This is purely for a good grade, I'd like to graduate by May,
2000.  My project is due Novemeber 19, 1997. I really appreciate your time
and look forward to hearing from you soon. Thank you very much in advance
for  your efforts.
Anna





Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 00:48:05 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <josephwu@ultranet.ca>
Subject: RE: Origami Galleries

On Tuesday, November 04, 1997 4:48 PM, Jeff Kerwood [SMTP:jkerwood@usaor.net]
wrote:
> Well you have certainly seen more origami online (or otherwise) than I have
> so I will defer to your experience. Would you cite a few examples so we (or
> at least I) can see what the best is?

It's not that simple, Jeff. Teik's complaint was that photos on other sites are
too dark. I found HIS images to be too dark. Part of the problem is the type of
computer and monitor you are using to view the images. Different setups have
different gamma settings. In simple terms, the gamma is a parameter that is
built into a monitor. The lower the gamma, the brighter images will appear on
it. So, if an image is created on a computer with a low gamma, it will appear
dark on a computer with high gamma, and vice versa. The bottom line is that
it's hard to guarantee that an image you create on your computer will look good
one someone else's machine.

Teik's other complaint, that some images have such cluttered backgrounds that
they are unviewable, I addressed in my previous email.

In general, I agree with Teik that most of the origami photos on the Web are
not all that great in terms of quality. Many of my images should be included in
that indictment. However, I don't agree that his are better, and I don't think
that superlative image quality has anything to do with the real point of having
the images there (i.e. the sharing of origami).

Anyway, some good images I've found include:

http://www.parc.xerox.com/ops/projects/forum/1996/forum-09-19-external.html
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~adysart/origami/crane1.html
http://www.sgi.com:80/grafica/huffman/index.html
http://www.sgi.com:80/grafica/fold/page001.html

Joseph Wu, Origami Artist & Multimedia Producer
T: (604)730-0306 x 105    F: (604)732-7331   E: josephwu@ultranet.ca
W: http://www.origami.vancouver.bc.ca





Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 01:01:18 -0400 (AST)
From: Meristein@aol.com
Subject: the mysterious unafolder

The unafolder has decided to excercise good taste in featuring a photo of
yours truly in his very clever website, which I found out when I got my first
ever angry phone call from Jan Polish.  I just wanted the denizens of the
list (and the rest of the Origami world in general) to know:

*************I AM NOT THE UNAFOLDER!*****************

C'mon, if it were my website it would have really cool paper aeroplanes.
Thank you, and have a nice day.

Michael Weinstein
meristein@aol.com





Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 01:23:31 -0400 (AST)
From: Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
Subject: Re: Origami Galleries

On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Joseph Wu wrote:

> I must disagree. Your scans are okay, but are very dark. Quite simply, you
> are using your scanner in a way that it was not designed to be used.
> Granted, your images are better than some photo scans that appear
> elsewhere, but a well shot photo will always produce a better result than
> your method. Also, note that many photos are taken in less-than-optimal
> conditions. Photos taken at conventions, for example, are at the mercy of
> bad lighting and worse composition. And yet, they are the only chance for
> some people to see some of these works.

OTOH, while I tend to agree (the photoes at your site are probably the
best), you have to admit that most ppl do not have the photo equipment to
take really good pictures of origami.  Your average 35mm which most ppl
tend to have (auto-focus/focus-free) simply *cannot* do a decent close-up
w/o getting all blurry.  Even though scanners are more expensive than a
camera (though not in all cases), most university students have access to
a public scanner.





Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 02:12:28 -0400 (AST)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: paper about polygons (2)

Nick,
At 06.46 4/11/1997 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Sorry for the delay, BO 165. Roberto Morassi is perhaps the best person
>to contact

Flattered and blushing, Nick..... <:-#
I've already exchanged some good stuff with David, thanks !

Roberto
         _\|/_
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Via Palestro 11           |  Please DON'T quote my full
51100 PISTOIA             |  message in reply... I KNOW
ITALY                     |  what I have written ! :-)
tel & fax (+)39-573-20436 |
E-mail <morassi@zen.it>   |





Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 05:16:57 -0400 (AST)
From: Teik Seong <tkteik@mbox2.singnet.com.sg>
Subject: Re: Origami Galleries

>I know you said to leave comments in your guest book, so I did. But I also
>something BIG here. Thanks for the cool tip.

Thanks Jeff! But I think I picked a very inauspicious time to talk about this,
     firstly, I *think* the server for my
page went under maintainence from 4 till 7 am at +800 GMT (5th Nov), next my
     guest book server went down
for service too at around 3 pm. :( I hope no one missed my page.

As for the dinos, there will me more *when* "Origami Fantasy"
     arrives..Meanwhile, look out for some
["BRILL"ant Origami] ....Well, I created my homepage and those pictures to
     entertain and share my joy with
others, so ...help yourself!

Regards,
Teik.
[TK Continent :- http://web.singnet.com.sg/~tkteik]





Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 05:19:52 -0400 (AST)
From: Teik Seong <tkteik@mbox2.singnet.com.sg>
Subject: Re: Origami Galleries

Hello Marc!

>I too have used the scanner for capturing origami images (which I later
>excellent results you achieved, I am sure you have some great tips to share.

Its good to hear that you did this too! It reminds me that I once saw someone
     on the net displaying the
dinosaurs of "Origami Fantasy". He also scanned in the models, except that they
     were laid on the scanner,
not standing upright.

For 3-d positions, I had used a wire to hang Dadelus in the air (thus the
     background). For other models, they
either stood on their on, or touched the scanner itself. The Pegasus's fore leg
     was supported on the scanner,
but this resulted in that area being highlighted, which looked weird. (The
     computer fixed it.) A wire should
solve all problems, but concealing it can be very tricky. My models are at most
     1 cm from the scanner. Also, it
doesn't look very "professional" to have fingers seen. :)

I did try back lighting once, but the flashlight will have to be the kind that
     spreads light evenly. It seems that
with an external light source, its frequency must match with the scanner,
     otherwise you get colourful lines all
over. Another way I tried was to use white paper behind to reflect light from
     the scanner back evenly (eg
Daedalus), and if you curve the paper, Gradient! For now, I prefer brightening
     the picture.

The reason why I don't like having a background is that I fold mostly with
     white photostating paper, and any
paper I have big enough to be the background is also white. So if I turn the
     model blue, everything turns blue.
My models are average-sized, the Pegasus is 7 cm tall standing on all fours and
     take them at about 200 to
300 dpi.

How about you?





Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 05:20:09 -0400 (AST)
From: Teik Seong <tkteik@mbox2.singnet.com.sg>
Subject: Re: Origami Galleries

>I must disagree. Your scans are okay, but are very dark. Quite simply, you
>some people to see some of these works.
> So please keep on showing us your works on your site. We DO want to see
>the case.

Hi Joseph!

Erm... please don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, I think "commenting"
     would be more appropriate. I
wrote the letter after reading on a site saying that all dark images have been
     overhauled. I *thought* I could
share what I have done, so that others can avoid wasting time and effort.

I'm really just trying to point out that the results achieved this way (as they
     appear to me) are better than using
cameras. Because more detail is captured and you do not need to process the
     film before getting the results,
its there, straight to the screen. Cheap and easy. I'm no expert, but I agree
     with you that good photography
equipment can definitely take better pictures than a scanner.

But given the cost for that kind of equipment, I think it's easier and better
     for amateurs like me to use a
scanner to display their works, given the books themselves already cost so
     much. And even with a good
camera, I don't think many can handle it well. A scanner let's you go trial and
     error, till you get what you want.

Thus, I went on to say that (in my opinion) to get a good picture, leave out
     the background. Maybe a gradient
would be good, but I haven't figured a way to achieve a grad. with the shadow
     of the model using a scanner.
I really don't think I sounded like I was complaining.

Now, onto the results...

As for the darkness, I think a better way to put it would be that the models
     seemed to be in gloomy conditions
and I'm interested in discussing this. I tried adjusting the brightness with
     the computer, so far, I think results
are like what appears on covers of books (Brilliant Origami & Origami in
     Action), EXCEPT that the background
is black. I thought that by having a black background, it the contrasted with
     model, emphasising its details
further. Is that why you are saying the scans are dark? Or are you referring
     the cases like in the pegasus
whereby the tail can hardly be seen? From experience, adding a background will
     reveal the tail, but a
background will make color touching more difficult. My daedalus had a bluish
     grey background, how does
that picture look to you?

I understand that its not easy to take good photos at conventions. And I wasn't
     directly referring to them. To
me, the point of setting up galleries is to spread origami to those who have
     never seen them, not just to those
who already know what origami is all about, to do this, I believe our pictures
     _must_ be clear, to show them
what's so special, given that most people are visually-oriented. Photos taken
     at conventions are meant to
inform people who missed it, so quality is not required.

To share my personal experience, I often try to gauge a model by looking at it
     first, (I'm the kind who
goes for complex models full of details), but I don't get to see much, (not
     complaining, just "saying") and that's
one the reasons why I'm very reluctant to buy books. [Yes, please don't hate
     me, I'm often asking for
diagrams. :)]

I guess I will do a few more with backgrounds and then we can discuss more. I'm
     thinking of a red "flooring",
so far, they have all been all black.

Regards,
Teik.
[TK Continent :- http://web.singnet.com.sg/~tkteik]





Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 09:13:01 -0400 (AST)
From: Eric Eros <eros@mohawk.engr.sgi.com>
Subject: Re: The missionary by Marc Kirschenbaum

Here is my interpretation of the writing in "The Missionary"

 1.  White side up, form fish base.
 2.  Mountain back.
 3.  Precrease (22.5 degrees and 45 degrees).  Repeat behind.
 4.  Assymetrical squash.
 5.  Squash
 6.  Pull out single layer.
 7.  Swing over.
 8.  Squash.
 9.  Swing up.
10.  Bring ??? ??? mirror image.
     Form valley fold, allowing squash to form.
11.  Pull one layer through.
12.  Swing down.
13.  Spread apart flap.
14.  Repeat 4-13 behind.
     Rotate model.
15.  Pull center layer through (similar to reverse fold).
16.  Valley down, releasing the trapped layers; repeat behind.
17.  Bring single layer to surface (closed sink); repeat behind.
18.  Swing over layers.
19.  Swing thin flap over from behind.  Rotate 1/4 turn.
20.  Rabbit ear.
21.  Squash.
22.  Reverse fold.
23.  Repeat steps 20-22 behind.
24.  Fold in.
25.  Swing thin flaps up.
26.  Rabbit ear both sinks.
27.  Precrease fold.
28.  Undo rabbit ears.
29.  Crimp.
30.  Stretch forward.  Repeat behind.
31.  Swivel down.
32.  Turn inside out.
33.  Sink along angle bisector.
34.  Fold in.
35.  Rabbit ear and unfold.  Repeat behind.
36.  Rabbit ear--watch edge A.
37.  Note that edge A is ???  Swivel in and repeat behind.
38.  Lightly swing the flaps up.  Pull out layers folded in step 34.
39.  Rabbit ear.  Repeat behind.
40.  Swivel behind.  Repeat.
41.  Swing flaps down.
42.  Round the butt.  Turn over.
43.  (Woman's head)  Rabbit ear arms.
44.  (Woman's head)  Outside reverse fold.
45.  Outside reverse fold.
46.  Crimp up.
47.  Round out hair with reverse fold.  Reverse twist hair.
48.  ??? a layer on each side of the ??? at ???
49.  Sink (like a spread squash).
50.  Swivel down arms (??? front ??? woman's).
51.  Spread apart ???
52.  Unsink.
53.  Close back.
54.  Reverse up.
55.  Crimp down.
56.  Outside reverse.
57.  Further shaping.
58.  Round arms.
59.  Crimp forward.
60.  ??? down (woman).
62.  Crimp up (man).
63.  Squash.
64.  Swing feet back and shape.

--
Eric Eros





Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 10:52:13 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: Origami Galleries

----------
> From: Joseph Wu
>
> Anyway, some good images I've found include:
>
>
http://www.parc.xerox.com/ops/projects/forum/1996/forum-09-19-external.html
> http://www-personal.umich.edu/~adysart/origami/crane1.html
> http://www.sgi.com:80/grafica/huffman/index.html
> http://www.sgi.com:80/grafica/fold/page001.html
>

Thanks for sharing these, they're nice. His isn't as good as these but * I
* still think his are a smidge better than most origami I've seen on the
net. Maybe it's just a perception thing or maybe, I've by chance, just seen
the dregs. But anyway, thanks for pointing us in the right direction.

 Jeff Kerwood
jkerwood@usaor.net





Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 11:08:52 -0400 (AST)
From: RPlsmn@aol.com
Subject: Re: Wetfolding - Doping

In a message dated 97-11-04 15:32:34 EST, you write:

>
>I seem to recall that doping tissue paper causes it to shrink, and to become
>quite brittle. I think the doping may even provide some degree of water
>proofing by sealing the surface, so I don't think doped thin paper is
>suitable
>for folding, wet or dry. There's your chance - you can now try to prove me
>wrong! What a challenge!
>
>Sorry

Cigarete paper is more like onion skin than tissue paper, and what are you
sorry about? You've made my day! Don't you feel lucky? ...  Roger Plassmann
 ... real hip shooter





Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 12:33:40 -0400 (AST)
From: A.Welles@student.kun.nl
Subject: Re: Super Complex Origami

Hi all,

I'd like to thank everybody who sent me info about "Super Complex
Origami"!

Arjan Welles
The Netherlands
(A.Welles@Student.kun.nl)





Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 15:07:23 -0400 (AST)
From: Helena Verrill <helena@mast.queensu.ca>
Subject: Re: Origami Galleries

I guess I should have asked about how to take pictures
of origami models before.
All the images on my site were scanned in; since they
are all flat (tessellations), I think this seems the best
way to do it; though I did notice that I got different
effects from different scanners - when I was at home I used
my brothers, and I could shine a light over the origami on
the scanner, to get a reasonable image of the light pattern;
the scanner back here in the university does not seem to
work in the same way, and I couldn't get light patterns to
work like that.  I know Alex Bateman scans his tessellations,
but his are from thin paper, and he can take the inverse of
the scan; I am still folding from ordinary kami, which is too
thick for the scanner to see through.
Anyway, apart from the tessellations, I have a couple of
modulars on my pages; I don't know if many people folded them, but
a few friends tried, and some reported some trouble, which turned out
to be because they were putting the units together inside out.
Anyway, I decided to take a few photos to add to that page so
people get a better idea of what the results look like.
However, I can't afford a camera; but the other day I went to the
camera shop and asked if I could hire a camera that would work on
taking things close up.  They were quite helpful, and rented me a
good camera for something like $15 (to bring back the next day).
Of course, have to pay for film and developing too, but I though
it was a reasonable price.
Well, I've not gone back to get the photos yet, so I don't know
how they turned out, but if they are OK I should be adding images
of tetrahedrons, octahedrons, stellated octahedrons...etc to my
pages when I get time, probably at the weekend.  Anyway, I will
be scanning in the photos with the same computer and same scanner
as I used for the tessellations, so then you'll be able to see if
they are all the same darkness, regardless of whether I scan photos
or origami directly, because of the gamma blah stuff or whatever.

Helena

Oh, bye the way, I did look at your pages Teik - they are increadible;
I was very impressed.  Maybe I will try scanning in my modulars to
see what results I can get that way.

helena@mast.queensu.ca
http://www.mast.queensu.ca/~helena/origami/





Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 17:52:49 -0400 (AST)
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <contract@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: The missionary by Marc Kirschenbaum

At 09:13 AM 11/5/97 -0400, "Eric Eros" <eros@mohawk.engr.sgi.com> wrote:
>Here is my interpretation of the writing in "The Missionary"

Thanks for typing this up; I have made some minor corrections, and filled
in the words with "????." Could this e-mail be uploaded to the ftp.rug.nl
site? I think it would be useful there. Marc

 1.  White side up, form fish base.
 2.  Mountain back.
 3.  Precrease (22.5 degrees and 45 degrees).  Repeat behind.
 4.  Assymetrical squash.
 5.  Squash
 6.  Pull out single layer.
 7.  Swing over.
 8.  Squash.
 9.  Swing up.
10.  (Diagram in mirror image)
     Form valley fold, allowing squash to form.
11.  Pull one layer through.
12.  Swing down.
13.  Spread apart flap.
14.  Repeat 4-13 behind.
     Rotate model.
15.  Pull center layer through (similar to reverse fold).
16.  Valley down, releasing the trapped layers; repeat behind.
17.  Bring single layer to surface (closed sink); repeat behind.
18.  Swing over layers.
19.  Swing thin flap over from behind.  Rotate 1/4 turn.
20.  Rabbit ear.
21.  Squash.
22.  Reverse fold.
23.  Repeat steps 20-22 behind.
24.  Fold in.
25.  Swing the thin flaps up.
26.  Rabbit ear both sinks.
27.  Precrease fold.
28.  Undo rabbit ears.
29.  Crimp.
30.  Stretch forward.  Repeat behind.
31.  Swing down.
32.  Turn inside out.
33.  Sink along angle bisector.
34.  Fold in.
35.  Rabbit ear and unfold.  Repeat behind.
36.  Rabbit ear--watch edge A.
37.  Note that edge A is orthoganal (at a 90 degree angle) Swivel in and
repeat
        behind.
38.  Lightly swing the flaps up.  Pull out layers folded in step 34.
39.  Rabbit ear.  Repeat behind.
40.  Swivel behind.  Repeat.
41.  Swing flaps down.
42.  Round the butt.  Turn over.
43.  (Woman's head)  Rabbit ear arms.
44.  (Woman's head)  Outside reverse fold.
45.  Outside reverse fold.
46.  Crimp up.
47.  Round out hair with reverse fold.  Reverse the tail of the hair.
48.  Raise a layer on each side of the tail of hair.
49.  Sink (like a spread squash).
50.  Swing down arms (in front of the woman's arms).
51.  Spread apart front.
52.  Unsink.
53.  Close back.
54.  Reverse up.
55.  Crimp down.
56.  Outside reverse.
57.  Further shaping.
58.  Round arms.
59.  Crimp forward.
60.  Mountain down (woman).
62.  Crimp up (man).
63.  Squash.
64.  Swing feet back and shape.
65.  Completed "The Missionary" (c) 1996 Marc Kirschenbaum
     Inspired by a challenge posed by Courtney Spooner and Tom Hull

     Note: It is possible to colour change the hair.





Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 18:29:07 -0400 (AST)
From: "Daniel J. Byrne & Candice Bradley" <djbyrne@pop.athenet.net>
Subject: sturgeon and celebrations

Long message about 1) folding a sturgeon and 2) teaching origami to kids
in mourning.

I had a young man lecture my ecological anthropology class today on
sturgeon.  Sturgeon are bottom-feeders with lots of complicated ridges
and funny dangly feelers on their heads and big-sucker like mouths.
They look very primitive -- they originated during the Upper Cretaceous
and have not evolved all that much since.  I am trying to fold a
sturgeon (the lecturer left me with a wonderful brochure showing a Lake
Sturgeon from four angles).  I'm thinking that they are more
dinosaur-like than fish-like, so I am starting with that in mind (and
three sets of big fins on the side).  Any advice?

Also, this past weekend I went to Atlanta to participate in a
celebration of the life of an anthropologist who died a year ago.  She
left three children, the youngest of whom is ten.  I had Prehistoric
Origami in my bag and some washi paper of various sizes, and at one
point I sat down to teach a freshman art student how to fold a crane.
Pretty soon there were a bunch of kids and adolescents around the table
and all of them were learning to fold.  It didn't take me long to
realize how great this was -- these kids were in mourning for the woman
who was their mom or auntie or their own mom's best friend, and it was a
hard moment for a lot of people -- and here I was doing origami with
them.  I can't explain it too well, but I can say that I was glad I had
the book and the washi paper and that I was able to contribute this at
this particular moment.

I promised the ten year old I would send her a beginning origami book.
The little girl is very bright and she was already trying to fold the
Montroll models in Prehistoric Origami.  I went to Fascinating Folds to
search for a nice beginner book and was horrified in this context to see
the "Don't need mommy to do this origami" book.  That's not the title I
need.  So -- any advice on this one?

Much appreciated,

Candice Bradley (Wisconsin)

--
             Candice Bradley and Daniel J. Byrne
                John, Mark and Camille Byrne
                     Appleton, Wisconsin
                 email:  djbyrne@athenet.net
                 candice.bradley@lawrence.edu
             http://www.lawrence.edu/~bradleyc/





Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 19:38:58 -0400 (AST)
From: Marsha Dupre <mdupre@greenwood.net>
Subject: Ch-ch-ch changes

I couldn't resist. I saw the window stars in the Hearthsong catalog
and ordered the book.  The paper is glassine.  The stars are simple
modules but when folded and hanging on  a window they are, IMHO,
beautiful.  Some of the colors work better than others.  I tried some
in wax paper and that works well too.  I'm always looking for simple
but pleasing things to teach and I think these have potential.

Marsha  DuPre





Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 19:59:19 -0400 (AST)
From: Eric Andersen <ema@netspace.org>
Subject: Re: Origami Galleries

On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Teik Seong wrote:

> Its good to hear that you did this too! It reminds me that I once saw someone
     on the net displaying the
> dinosaurs of "Origami Fantasy". He also scanned in the models, except that
     they were laid on the scanner,
> not standing upright.

Yup, that would be my page. For flat models, scanning them in directly is
great; for 3-D models it is much trickier. For Lang's praying mantis, for
instance, it took me quite a while to be able to balance it just right on
the scanner. It usually turns out pretty well, IMHO.

-Eric  :-P
origami@brown.edu

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 22:46:18 -0400 (AST)
From: "Nancy B. McNitt" <nbm@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: sturgeon and celebrations

>I promised the ten year old I would send her a beginning origami book.

>
>--
>             Candice Bradley and Daniel J. Byrne
>                John, Mark and Camille Byrne
>                     Appleton, Wisconsin
>                 email:  djbyrne@athenet.net
>                 candice.bradley@lawrence.edu
>             http://www.lawrence.edu/~bradleyc/

There are two books I recommend. Both are titled "Easy Origami"

The best of the two is by John Montroll, and is sold by Dover Books for
$2.95. This is the one for beginners. I do not know the ISBN Number but it
should be easy to order this book from your local bookstore.

The second book is by D. Nakano, translated by Eric Kenneway. ISBN #
0-670-80382-0

Good luck,
Glenn McNitt





Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 00:57:28 -0400 (AST)
From: ROCKYGROD@aol.com
Subject: Re: request for models

I have been asked by a local school system to do a presentation about
origami.  One thing I would like to include in my presentation is a folded
Statue of Liberty.  Although I consider myself a good folder this is
something I do not have instructions for and perhaps may be beyond my skill
level.  If anyone is so generous with their time to fold one I would greatly
appreciate it.

Thanks,

Send to:

Patty Grodner
5612 Cometa Ct. NE
Albuquerque, NM





Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 11:11:04 -0400 (AST)
From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com>
Subject: Re: sturgeon and celebrations

>I promised the ten year old I would send her a beginning origami book.

>
>--
>             Candice Bradley and Daniel J. Byrne
I'll save Tom the angst of self-promotion by suggesting _Origami, Plain and

Simple_. Good models and fun to read. A nice range of easy to intermediate.
And, if in fact it's being remaindered, cheaper than it was and (possibly)
soon to be unavailable.

Robert Neale and Thomas Hull
_Origami, Plain and Simple_
St. Martin's Press  c. 1994
ISBN 0-312-10516-9

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 16:48:04 -0400 (AST)
From: RA Kennedy <kennedra@isdugp.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Super Complex Origami

> > I have tried to order Issei Yoshino's "Super Complex Origami", but because
> > I missed certain data I couldn't order it.
>
> Since you are in the Netherlands, you may wish to try Silke Schroder in
> Germany for this book. She imports an exceptional range of books from
> Japan, and I'm fairly sure her list includes this book. The name of her
> company is Viereck Verlag. I'm afraid I don't have her address with me this
> evening. I'll try to locate it at home tonight - together with her price
> for this book in DMs.

The address is:

Silke Schroeder
Viereck Verlag
Postfach 1922
85319 Freising
Germany

tel: 08161/41787        fax:  08161/41785

Super Complex Origami is not in the latest list. However Kawahata's Origami
Fantasy is in the list (72.00 DM).

Richard K
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 01:24:18 -0400 (AST)
From: Unafolder <Unafolder@aol.com>
Subject: Re: the mysterious unafolder

My identity shall fore'er remain a secret!  Anonymity is the only way to
guarantee that my message will be heard, unbiased by the possibility of
detection in a world full of dark creases and bottomless sinks.

Let the truth be fold!

- D'gou





Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 04:12:00 -0400 (AST)
From: Jamaro@aol.com
Subject: West Coast Convention?

Hi,

I have read references to various origami conventions and was interested in
knowing when the one in the San Francisco Bay Area was going to be held.  Any
information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.





Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 06:58:36 -0400 (AST)
From: Paul Vandine <pvandine@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: West Coast Convention?

===
World Peace Through Origami

---Jamaro@aol.com wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have read references to various origami conventions and was
interested in
> knowing when the one in the San Francisco Bay Area was going to be
held.  Any
> information would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 08:17:29 -0400 (AST)
From: Mike & Janet Hamilton <Mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: West Coast Convention?

Jamaro@aol.com wrote:

> I have read references to various origami conventions and was interested in
> knowing when the one in the San Francisco Bay Area was going to be held.

It starts 11/8.  Here's their web site:  http://www.sirius.com/~knuffke/PCOC.htm
     l

Janet Hamilton

--
mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/





Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 13:11:47 -0400 (AST)
From: JacAlArt@aol.com
Subject: Re:  West Coast Convention?

In a message dated 11/7/97 12:18:11 AM, you wrote:

<<I have read references to various origami conventions and was interested in
knowing when the one in the San Francisco Bay Area was going to be held. >>

Starts today, Friday 11/7.





Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 15:04:58 -0400 (AST)
From: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Marius Kirsch)
Subject: Re: the mysterious unafolder

On Fri, 7 Nov 1997, Unafolder wrote:
> My identity shall fore'er remain a secret!
[...]
> - D'gou

Nice try, Maurice.

Yours, Sebastian                                        skirsch@t-online.de
                         /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)
