




Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:31:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: klundber@mnsinc.com
Subject: Re: Dragons and things...

On 1997-09-25 origami-l@nstn.ca said to klundber@mnsinc.com

I know ;iou jljlbiy
Kalei - klundber@mnsinc.com

"There's a long, long trail a-winding," and I think we're on it.

Net-Tamer V 1.09.2  - Test Drive
I need to spel wrond some wrd





Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:38:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: klundber@mnsinc.com
Subject: Re: Dragons and things...

   >I need to spel wrond some wrd

I sincerely, sincerely, on my knees apologize for this message. I was trying
to configure the spell check and thought I had killed that test message.

Kalei - klundber@mnsinc.com





Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 20:26:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: Sighting

Friday evening during my bus commute home from
work I woke up as the new driver bumped the curb
of a bus stop. Glancing out the window to get my
bearings (about once a year I sleep through my
own bus stop), I found a white origami crane
staring back at me. It was apparently folded from
a square of ordinary white letter paper, quite
elegant and expressively folded with some sort
of extra fold to the tail, and just sitting on
the concrete sidewalk facing the street.

Five people got off, including one from the rear
exit; all trooped past and over it without noticing
the crane. I held my breath, but nobody stepped on it.
I had a last second impulse to hop off and rescue
it, but we were already pulling out into traffic. The
draft from the bus made its wings flutter, but it
didn't blow away. This particular bus stop is
usually littered with fast food wrappers and
stuff, but for once was litter free; the crane
was the only piece of paper in sight.

I began to wonder when I got home whether I'd
actually been awake after all..

--valerie





Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 20:27:43 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: Perry Bailey's Fire Lizards

Perry Bailey's Fire Lizard flapping wing dragon
diagrams are now available in the origami-L ftp
archive PDF file directory, as well as on my web
page.

ftp://rugcis.rug.nl/origami/index.htm

http://people.delphi.com/vvann/firelizd.html

--valerie
valerie_vann@compuserve.com





Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 23:52:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@aloha.net>
Subject: Re: Sighting

Valerie Vann wrote:
>
> Friday evening during my bus commute home from
> work I woke up as the new driver bumped the curb
> of a bus stop. Glancing out the window to get my
> bearings (about once a year I sleep through my
> own bus stop), I found a white origami crane
> staring back at me. It was apparently folded from
> a square of ordinary white letter paper, quite
> elegant and expressively folded with some sort
> of extra fold to the tail, and just sitting on
> the concrete sidewalk facing the street.
>
> Five people got off, including one from the rear
> exit; all trooped past and over it without noticing
> the crane. I held my breath, but nobody stepped on it.
> I had a last second impulse to hop off and rescue
> it, but we were already pulling out into traffic. The
> draft from the bus made its wings flutter, but it
> didn't blow away. This particular bus stop is
> usually littered with fast food wrappers and
> stuff, but for once was litter free; the crane
> was the only piece of paper in sight.
>
> I began to wonder when I got home whether I'd
> actually been awake after all..
>
> --valerie
Valerie,
        What a delightful rendering of an origami sighting.  I met a little boy
last year that at age 5, loved origami so much, folded whenever he could
with whatever he could...even fast food hamburger wrappers smeared in
catsup.  "I don't care about the catsup",  he told his mom, "it's
paper!".  If he didn't live in Hawaii, I'd say it could be him.
Hopefully, there's another like him.
 Aloha, Jan
--
<http://www.gotomymall.com/hawaii/origami/>
Origami by Jan website...the Fodor folder





Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 00:06:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Using Capture to change scanned images to pdf

This message is directed to those who have used a scanner to create origami
drawings for the internet and are interested in converting it to a more
compact pdf version.  I have been working with the Acrobat 3.0 package of
programs from Adobe, and they have recently sent Acrobat 3.01, which
includes some updates to the package.  One of the programs not previously
included was Capture, which is designed to change scanned images to pdf.
In do so it uses an OCR (optical character recognition) program to locate
textual material and to convert it to regular text, rather than simply
leaving it in bitmapped form. The advantage of this is that the characters
can be printed out accurately as text, particularly if one has a postscript
printer.  There are procedures later for scanning the text to make
desirable changes.  This included, in my test, stray marks on the page,
and one error in character recognition which consisted of reading "corners"
as "comers". Letters or words which the program considers doubtful are left
in its bitmapped form, with a procedure later to accept the change or to
leave the bitmapped form.   The conversion to pdf is accomplised by using
Acrobat Exchange, which has Capture plug-in instruction to import the
scanned document by calling on the Capture Pages instruction.
     The net result was neater text which required less storage space.
This reduction in storage space is increased by reduction in sampling of
bits of other images.  In the test that I ran, using the first page of
Treasure Boat diagrams, Ofoto, my scanning program required 181K of
storage, while the pdf version required only 33k.
     For OCR to be effective the text would have to be typed--handwriting
probably will not do.  For this Capture operation Acrobat Exchange calls on
Pdfwriter, rather than Pswriter, which seems to have been replaced by the
former.
James M. Sakoda, origami dollar bill foldings in pdf form:





Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 03:19:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: who? <slp1668@is2.nyu.edu>
Subject: Letters/Numbers:  Thanks

Thanks to all for the help with diagrams for letters and numbers.
Unfortunately, both the Hasegawa book and the Bascetta pamphlet seem
pretty difficult to come across.  If anyone has any info, please let me
know.

Thanks again for the help!
Stacey





Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:01:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pam and/or Namir <pgraben@umich.edu>
Subject: Lost email

Hello all.  I'm on a quest for a missing email.  I searched the email
archives at
both Alex's sites (Barber & Bateman) to no avail.  Can anyone help?  Alec?
I'm looking for any responses to this, so that I may finish this model!
Thanks...Namir

>Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 21:16:58 -0400 (EDT)
>From: JacAlArt@aol.com
>To: origami-l@nstn.ca
>Subject: Kirschenbaum's Biplane II
>
>Help! How the heck do you do step 34 (pg. 116) in the Annual Collection '97
>for this thing?! Is there anyway to pre-crease these mountains and valleys?
>~Alec

!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-
Pamela Graben:     Thinking... what a concept!
Namir Gharaibeh:  "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."
pgraben@umich.edu





Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:36:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: Lost email

At 06:01 PM 9/28/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Hello all.  I'm on a quest for a missing email.  I searched the email
>archives at
>both Alex's sites (Barber & Bateman) to no avail.  Can anyone help?  Alec?
>I'm looking for any responses to this, so that I may finish this model!
>Thanks...Namir

Here is a copy of the e-mail I sent out regarding my "Biplane II."

At 10:48 AM 8/6/97 -0300, JacAlArt@aol.com wrote:

>Help! How the heck do you do step 34 (pg. 116) in the Annual Collection '97
>for this thing?! Is there anyway to pre-crease these mountains and valleys?

I never saw any obvious way of precreasing this. The way to view the
interior of this head-on view is to look at the two large diamond shapes
(the shape of a fish base), that are connected at the bottom. For the sake
of simplicity, I am only going to focus on one diamond shape (although both
have to collapse simultaneously). First crease a valley fold that runs from
corner to corner. With this in place, the mountain folds are easier to
locate (they are angle bisectors between the valley fold, and the creases
that define the top of the diamond shape). I bring the vally fold crease to
lie along the aforementioned creases (that define the top of the diamond).
The model fill flatten easily at this point. You will notice in step 37,
the diagram shows verical folded edges running along the center. These
edges are the valley folds that we just made. Good luck with the rest of a
model; it has a lot of neat stuff going on (still can not fly too well
though).

Marc





Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 06:12:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mike Bridges <mbridges@globalnet.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Lost email

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Sorry Marc

I have not received it. Nothing strange happens in this neck of the =
woods. Were you drunk when you sent it?? Maybe you just slipped a =
"digit" and sent it to a new list somewhere in the cosmos.

Mike
----------
From:   Marc Kirschenbaum
Sent:   28 September 1997 23:36
To:     Multiple recipients of list
Subject:        Re: Lost email

At 06:01 PM 9/28/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Hello all.  I'm on a quest for a missing email.  I searched the email
>archives at
>both Alex's sites (Barber & Bateman) to no avail.  Can anyone help?  =
Alec?
>I'm looking for any responses to this, so that I may finish this model!
>Thanks...Namir

Here is a copy of the e-mail I sent out regarding my "Biplane II."

At 10:48 AM 8/6/97 -0300, JacAlArt@aol.com wrote:

>Help! How the heck do you do step 34 (pg. 116) in the Annual Collection =
'97
>for this thing?! Is there anyway to pre-crease these mountains and =
valleys?

I never saw any obvious way of precreasing this. The way to view the
interior of this head-on view is to look at the two large diamond shapes
(the shape of a fish base), that are connected at the bottom. For the =
sake
of simplicity, I am only going to focus on one diamond shape (although =
both
have to collapse simultaneously). First crease a valley fold that runs =
from
corner to corner. With this in place, the mountain folds are easier to
locate (they are angle bisectors between the valley fold, and the =
creases
that define the top of the diamond shape). I bring the vally fold crease =
to
lie along the aforementioned creases (that define the top of the =
diamond).
The model fill flatten easily at this point. You will notice in step 37,
the diagram shows verical folded edges running along the center. These
edges are the valley folds that we just made. Good luck with the rest of =
a
model; it has a lot of neat stuff going on (still can not fly too well
though).

Marc

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 08:23:22 -0300 (ADT)
From: Colin Pye <cp@atcon.com>
Subject: Re: Origami-math sighting on www.abcnews.com

On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 15:56:10 -0300 (ADT), RPlsmn@aol.com wrote:
>did anybody else see the origame chunky wrapper morphing castle ad on abc?

I have seen this one several times, but, after working with many of their
wrappers, some close to square, and others *way* off, dismissed it as
workstation tricks.  I would love to be proven wrong, however, and would
like to see diagrams. :-)

Colin

Origami Enthusists stick with the fold!
Colin Pye    cp@atcon.com     http://www.atcon.com/~cp





Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:54:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: RPlsmn@aol.com
Subject: Re: Origami-math sighting on www.abcnews.com

>did anybody else see the origame chunky wrapper morphing castle ad on abc?

I have seen this one several times, but, after working with many of their
wrappers, some close to square, and others *way* off, dismissed it as
workstation tricks.  I would love to be proven wrong, however, and would
like to see diagrams. :-)

Colin

Either or ... if it is tricks, the easiest trick hat comes to mind is the
application of graphics to the origami programs everyone has been talking
about





Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:15:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: RPlsmn@aol.com
Subject: tools

Jane - thanks for the info ... but at the risk of sounding both ignorant and
impetuous ... what and where is Origami USA?





Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:24:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: MSPARKS@pinkertons.com (MATTHEW SPARKS 05-025)
Subject: RE: Origami for Jewish Holidays

>The curious thing is that, in addition to being a reproduction of the
>classical Jewish symbol, this models also bears its creator's name   (David
>Derudas)....

>Nobody seems to have mentioned the famous "Star of David" by Fred >Rohm

That is because it goes by its more well known name "The Star of Fred"

matt





Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:42:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@spacestar.net>
Subject: Re: tools

RPlsmn wrote:
>Jane - thanks for the info ... but at the risk of sounding both ignorant and
>impetuous ... what and where is Origami USA?

Although I grew up in New York City, I did not learn about Origami USA
until two decades after I moved away, so I can understand not knowing
about it.

Origami USA is housed in the American Museum of Natural History (in NYC).
They sponsor an annual convention, periodic folding sessions, a
newsletter, a mail-order book and paper source, a lending library, a
huge, gorgeous Christmas tree at the museum, and much more.

Their address is:
15 West 77th Street
New York City, NY  10024-5192

Their website is:
http://www.origami-usa.org

You could request a membership application and Origami Source catalogue.
The catalogue is also at the web site. Members receive a 10% discount on
purchases.

Have fun!

--Jane





Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:47:33 -0300 (ADT)
From: reeds@openix.com (Reeds family)
Subject: Origami USA

2 things to add about Origami USA =OUSA
1. Up until a couple years ago, it was called Friends of the Origami Center
of America. You've probably seen references to that organization in various
origami books. I think the name change is great--with the slight
reservation that it doesn't convey how international an organization OUSA
is.

2. OUSA is a shining example of a volunteer non-profit organization. I get
better value from my OUSA membership than anything else I belong to. Even
if you never get to NYC for the convention and glimpse of the holiday tree,
the discounts on paper/books, the newsletter, and the hefty annual
convention volume (volume costs extra, but you have to be a member to get
it) are worth every penny.

Karen
reeds@openix.com

>RPlsmn wrote:
>>Jane - thanks for the info ... but at the risk of sounding both ignorant and
>>impetuous ... what and where is Origami USA?
>
>Although I grew up in New York City, I did not learn about Origami USA
>until two decades after I moved away, so I can understand not knowing
>about it.
>
>Origami USA is housed in the American Museum of Natural History (in NYC).
>They sponsor an annual convention, periodic folding sessions, a
>newsletter, a mail-order book and paper source, a lending library, a
>huge, gorgeous Christmas tree at the museum, and much more.
>
>Their address is:
>15 West 77th Street
>New York City, NY  10024-5192
>
>Their website is:
>http://www.origami-usa.org
>
>You could request a membership application and Origami Source catalogue.
>The catalogue is also at the web site. Members receive a 10% discount on
>purchases.
>
>Have fun!
>
>--Jane





Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:20:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Kawasaki Rose/Fantastic Sunday/Thank You

Dear Everyone:

This gushing e-mail has to do with a fantastic Sunday (yesterday) I spent in
     Portland (Oregon).  Maybe some of you can relate:

1.  I met three other folders.  I have never met any other Origami enthusiasts
     in 23 years of folding so this was no small thing.

2.  I (finally) learned how to finish the Kawasaki Rose.  To those of you
     trying to figure it out from the diagrams in OFTC, my sincere advice is:
     forget it.  It seems almost impossible to diagram what has to take place
     to finish it, first of all.  Second

One final irony:  My family and I were in Portland because of my wife's
     participation in the Portland Marathon (26.2 miles).  I elected to do some
     volunteer work for the marathon and was assigned to the Finisher's Arena.
     My job was...folding t-shirts.  S

Special thanks to the POPS members who met me at an inconvenient location and
     an inconvenient time so this could all be possible:  RC, Stasia and Maldon
     THANK YOU!!!

               Origami:  "Welcome to the fold"

                     Steve Woodmansee

                     stevew@empnet.com

                    Bend, Oregon

            <bold>http://www.empnet.com/woodmansee

</bold>





Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 16:37:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mr & Mrs Owen <djowen@pcl.net>
Subject: Re: Detailed Origami

thanks, I needed this.
joyce owen





Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:23:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com>
Subject: flexagons in _Complete Origami_

 In Kenneway's _Complete Origami_ (p. 57), there are photos of a group
 of flexagons with geometric patterns on them. In the directions for
folding,
 Step 10 reads: . . . Use coloured inks or crayons to decorate the top
surface
 with a simple geometric pattern.

 But the photos on p. 57 *look* like they were folded from duo-color paper
 that has both sides showing. Does anyone know if directions for flexagons
 with a pattern created *with the color of the paper* (rather than painted
 on) exist somewhere?

 Alternatively, anyone have a favorite model with rotational symmetry and
 no line symmetry? Oh, maybe I'll give them a "Pinwheel-Ring-Pinwheel." I
 guess I could probably find something in Beynon, too.

 Thanks
 Lisa
 Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 19:45:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Nancy B. McNitt" <nbm@mindspring.com>
Subject: McNitt's vacation in California

We will be visiting our daughter next month. She lives in Vacaville, Ca.
which is between Sacramento and San Francisco. Are there any must see stores
selling Origami books, etc. in this area. I do not believe we will have time
to just visit them all, but if there are some major stores I would
appreciate hearing about them. Please include SF and Sacramento stores also.
Thanks,
Glenn McNitt





Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:26:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: flexagons in _Complete Origami_

Check out my "rotatets" (rotating ring of
6 tetrahedrons) at:

http://members.delphi.com/vvvann/rotatets.html

--valerie





Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:48:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jose Tomas Buitrago <buitrago@maxwell.univalle.edu.co>
Subject: First Colombian Origami Convention

Hi all. This is for further divulgation. More information can be available
if you ask me by email o send a letter to the snail mail below.
Thank you,

Jose Tomas Buitrago Molina
Asociacion Vallecaucana de Origamistas
http://maxwell.univalle.edu.co/~asociacion.html

   PRIMER ENCUENTRO COLOMBIANO DE ORIGAMISTAS
   (First Colombian Origami Convention)

   Asociacin Vallecaucana de Origamistas

     Cali, November 28th, 29th y 30th - 1997

        More information:
                       57.2.4466274

     General Director: Jose Arley Moreno
                       Calle 58 7N-68
                       Cali - Colombia





Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 02:07:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: RPlsmn@aol.com
Subject: Re: tools

Origami USA ... is that wha it's called now. About a decade ago I went to
"Freinds of Origami" somewhere around Union Square, I had wondered on
occasion where Lillian Oppenheimer's impetus had led. Museum of Natural
History you say?





Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 02:16:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: Yaacov Metzger <origami@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Origami for Jewish Holidays

Hopefully I'm not too late to weigh in on this topic - We just moved, and I
just unpacked my origami books yesterday...

Six - pointed stars:
One of my favorite models is Francis Ow's 6-piece Harlequin star, in the
Biddles' "New Origami". And it definitely lends itself to larger paper. I
have several hanging in my sukkah.
Francis Ow also has other modular 6-pointed stars (9 styles!) in OUSA's
1990 annual collection.

A little more on-topic for Chanukah:
Dreidl - by Meredith Trauner - OUSA 1995 Annual
Menorah (modular) - by Sherri Bush - OUSA 1989 Annual
Menorah, by Reuben Copen, OUSA 1990 Annual
Jeremy Shaefer's Stack of Coins ???

>BTW one of the Jewish holidays that best lends itself to Origami is coming
>up quite soon--Succoth. One of these days, er...years...when I have the
time
>I look forward to decorating my Succah exclusively with origami models!
>Sheldon Ackerman

This coming Sukkot will be, G-d willing, the 3rd year for my "Origami
Sukkah" .
Sukkot starts this year the evening of October 15, and I hope to have some
semblance of a web page with photos (along with my experience with
displaying origami outdoors for 9+ days) up by then.(I finally got a
scanner)

On the topic of web pages - Valerie V., and any other webmasters out there
- what is the most efficient scanning resolution to use for color photos on
a web page - I have the number 150 DPI in my head - is that about right?
Thanks for the help.

Wishing a happy, healthy and sweet Jewish New Year to everyone on
origami-l!

Yaacov Metzger
jmetzger@citgroup.com





Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:15:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: RPlsmn@aol.com
Subject: Re: poppers

does anybody remember how to make those "poppers" from grade school?  the
things that make a pop when you swing them through the air?  and does anybody
know of a relatively light and fireproof folding material with which one
might actually execute the water-bomb hot air balloon that James made in
"James and the Giant Peach"? ...trying to get kids interested





Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:18:01 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mike Bridges <mbridges@globalnet.co.uk>
Subject: RE: flexagons in _Complete Origami_

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Eric's models and diagrams were given to the Britihsh Origami Society and are
     in their care. Maybe they can help you.

Hawkeye

----------
From:   Lisa Hodsdon
Sent:   29 September 1997 22:23
To:     Multiple recipients of list
Subject:        flexagons in _Complete Origami_

In Kenneway's _Complete Origami_ (p. 57), there are photos of a group
of flexagons with geometric patterns on them. In the directions for
folding, Step 10 reads: . . . Use coloured inks or crayons to decorate the top
surface with a simple geometric pattern.

But the photos on p. 57 *look* like they were folded from duo-color paper
that has both sides showing. Does anyone know if directions for flexagons
with a pattern created *with the color of the paper* (rather than painted
on) exist somewhere?

 Alternatively, anyone have a favorite model with rotational symmetry and
 no line symmetry? Oh, maybe I'll give them a "Pinwheel-Ring-Pinwheel." I
 guess I could probably find something in Beynon, too.

 Thanks
 Lisa
 Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:43:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Bateman A. G." <agb@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: end of origami-l archive search.

Dear all,
         I have ended my origami-l archive and model database searching
services. There are a number of reasons for this, which I will not bore
you with.  I am very sorry that I have not been able to give more
notice.  Alex Barber also runs an alternative search service at

http://www.the-village.com/origami/index.html

My origami page has changed address to

http://www.sanger.ac.uk/~agb/Origami/origami.html

I would be grateful if anyone with a link to my page could update this.
If anyone thinks that they could take over the archive searches I would
be happy to provide my scripts.

Bye for now
Alex Bateman





Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:04:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Re: poppers

RPlsman asks:
                                     and does anybody
   know of a relatively light and fireproof folding material with which one
   might actually execute the water-bomb hot air balloon that James made in
   "James and the Giant Peach"? ...trying to get kids interested

In Massachusetts, where I live, it is illegal to launch an unpiloted
balloon that carries its own fire aloft.  I would guess that this is
probably illegal in many other states and countries, as well as being
just plain dangerous.

Now here's a challenge: The balloons with the best loft are spherical
because this maximizes the ratio of volume to surface area.  This
ratio is important because the volume determines the amount of
lighter-than-air gas (assuming we consider hot air to be
lighter-than-air!) available to provide lift and the surface area is
directly proportional to the weight of the balloon that needs to be
lifted.  So, starting with a square piece of paper, the surface area
is constant.  What shape can you fold that maximizes the volume?

        -- Jeannine Mosely





Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:25:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Re: flexagons in _Complete Origami_

Lisa asks:

    In Kenneway's _Complete Origami_ (p. 57), there are photos of a group
    of flexagons with geometric patterns on them. In the directions for
   folding,
    Step 10 reads: . . . Use coloured inks or crayons to decorate the top
   surface
    with a simple geometric pattern.

    But the photos on p. 57 *look* like they were folded from duo-color paper
    that has both sides showing. Does anyone know if directions for flexagons
    with a pattern created *with the color of the paper* (rather than painted
    on) exist somewhere?

The most basic hexa-flexagon is folded from a strip of 10 triangles,
and has three distinct faces that can be made to show.  Two show at
any given time.  If you color one with all three faces different and
then unfold it you will see that all three colors appear on both sides
of the paper.  A more complex hexa-hexa-flexagon can be made from a
strip of 19 triangles with six distinct faces.  If you color them all
differently and unfold, you will see that three colors appear on one
side, and the other three colors appear on the other side.  If you
only wanted two colors to show, you could make the hexa-hexa-flexagon
from duo-color paper.

        -- Jeannine Mosely





Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:54:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: end of origami-l archive search.

Alex Bateman wrote a sad message noting that his origami page has moved and
that he can no longer supply the search function part at his new site.

The new URL is:
+http://www.sanger.ac.uk/~agb/Origami/origami.html

I'd like to publicly thank Alex for the service his page has provided.
I have used it often and will miss it.

Thanks Alex!!

As Alex Bateman noted, Alex Barber's page at
http://www.the-village.com/origami/index.html is still available,
however the origami-l archive there is not yet complete

-D'gou





Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:25:51 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: flexagons in _Complete Origami_

> A more complex hexa-hexa-flexagon can be made from a
> strip of 19 triangles with six distinct faces.>
>         -- Jeannine Mosely

Jeannie. I assume the folding is the same as for the smaller version -
yes? What are the paper dimensions (or ratio) for the larger one?

Thanks,
BYE :) Jeff Kerwood  --> jkerwood@usaor.net





Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:46:33 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: Origami for Jewish Holidays

> >BTW one of the Jewish holidays that best lends itself to Origami is coming
> >up quite soon--Succoth. One of these days, er...years...when I have the
> time
> >I look forward to decorating my Succah exclusively with origami models!
> >Sheldon Ackerman
>
> This coming Sukkot will be, G-d willing, the 3rd year for my "Origami
> Sukkah" .
> Sukkot starts this year the evening of October 15, and I hope to have some
> semblance of a web page with photos (along with my experience with
> displaying origami outdoors for 9+ days) up by then.(I finally got a
> scanner)

I've always displayed some modulars in my Sukkah but I have a "dream"
of using only origami decorations. People are quite simply amazed
when they see a decoration hanging in the Sukkah and find out that I
made it and they can not buy it anywhere!

---
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu
http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman





Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:01:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: MSPARKS@pinkertons.com (MATTHEW SPARKS 05-025)
Subject: RE: poppers

>In Massachusetts, where I live, it is illegal to launch an unpiloted
>balloon that carries its own fire aloft.

That is a pretty silly idea.
But when I was younger I made many hot air balloons out of just plain   tissue
     paper.
If you can find the tissue paper that is flame retardant, that is the   stuff
     to use.
What you do is use a sterno can for the hot air
light a can of sterno.
put it in a pie pan on the  ground.
put a stove pipe or metal tube over the sterno. you need to cut holes   around
     the
 bottom edge of the tube so air can go into the sterno and be heated. it   then
     rises up
the tube like a chimney.

fill you tissue paper balloon using a blow dryer or fan then hold the
     balloons mouth
over the chimney, quickly the air heats then you let it go it will fly   about
     100 feet
before the air cools and it comes down. the sterno stays on the ground.

Not having seen James and the Giant peach, I'm going to need to try this   on my
 own. let see,  a square of paper creates a water balloon cube 1/4 its   width
     so to
fold a 5 foot cube, I will need a piece of paper, 20 feet square.

This might need some more planning....

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Senior Technical Support Specialist             Fax  (818) 380-8677
Pinkerton Security & Investigation Services
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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:17:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: RPlsmn@aol.com
Subject: Re: poppers

In a message dated 97-09-30 10:10:48 EDT, you write:

>
>Now here's a challenge: The balloons with the best loft are spherical
>because this maximizes the ratio of volume to surface area.  This
>ratio is important because the volume determines the amount of
>lighter-than-air gas (assuming we consider hot air to be
>lighter-than-air!) available to provide lift and the surface area is
>directly proportional to the weight of the balloon that needs to be
>lifted.  So, starting with a square piece of paper, the surface area
>is constant.  What shape can you fold that maximizes the volume?
>
>

well, the water bomb is a cube, I imagine a cylindrical container wouldn't be
too hard to concoct ... a problem for those commanding the computer/origami
design interface everyone is talking about     .................   rgr ...
wondering how to use helium





Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:21:12 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mike & Janet Hamilton <Mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: poppers

RPlsmn@aol.com wrote:

> does anybody remember how to make those "poppers" from grade school?

Start with one full section of newpaper closed along the vertical crease,
oriented with the long sides vertical, short sides horizontal.
Book fold and unfold in both directions.
Fold the corners in so the short edge lies on the vertical bookfold crease.
Fold the model in half on the horizontal bookfold crease so the two points
created in the lst step come together.
Orient the model with the points up, and the straight edge on the bottom, so it
looks like a house.
Fold the two bottom corners on a crease that extends from the center of the
bottom edge to the point where the vertical edge meets the angled edge (the
     house
wall meets the roof).
Unfold the two crease just make, and make them into reverse folds so the corners
are now inside the model.
Fold in half vertically.

That's it.  Hold by the top point with the long folded spine facing up.  Whip it
down quickly.

Janet Hamilton

--
mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/





Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:14:43 -0300 (ADT)
From: RPlsmn@aol.com
Subject: Re: poppers

It seems I've sparked the interest of more than just children. It occurs to
me if one could evacuate an eggshell through an ultra-light check valve ...
ummmmm ... 1 atm = 14 psi @ sea level ... ummmmm ....should reach neural
buoyancy in the stratosphere ... however the lift material being so
intrinsically dangerous, I suggest leaving the design details to the Swedish
Bikini Team.
.....  rgr .... pondering the advantages of compressive over tensile
strength materials





Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 16:13:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: "D.M FOULDS" <fe320473@stmail.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: Paulo Mulatinho <fwd>

Hi everyone,

I just received this email enquiring as to whether I had any contact
information for Paulo Mulatinho, and thought perhaps someone else
might be able to help.

--- Begin Forwarded Message ---
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:41:27
From: Jos Klein Velderman <jossie@tref.nl>
Subject: Paulo Mulatinho

Good day Dave,

I checked your pages on information about Paulo Mulatinho. Maybe you can
help me out
with something. I want to write this author a mail, but I have no
contacting adress of  him.
The only fact I have in my hands is his residential info. He lives in
Freising, Germany.
Can you give me some hint(s) ? Maybe an E-mail adress ?

Much obliged !
Jos Klein Velderman,  Klazienaveen, Holland
jossie@tref.nl

By the way :
Compliments here.

--- End Forwarded Message ---

I'd also just like to say that it's good to be back on origami-l.

Dave

--
David M Foulds
fe320473@stmail.staffs.ac.uk
dmfoulds@bigfoot.com
http://asimov.flevel.co.uk/dave





Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 16:42:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: Vincent & Veronique <osele@worldnet.fr>
Subject: Re: HELLO

Salut,

Le 25 Sep 97,  notre cher MATHIEU CIARLET crivait:

> bonjour misses and misters folders
> I am a french guy who folds when time allows me. I'm 25 years old and been
> folding for about 15 years nowMaybe some people out here know me as Ihad
> been subscribed to this list about 2years ago; and I'm glad to be back.Is
> vincent Osele still here and there now other french folders ?

Bien sur que je suis la et bien sur qu'il y a bcp de Francais sur
cette liste.
Moi aussi je suis content de te revoir.

Si tu veux parler d'origami en francais, tu peux t'inscrire aussi sur
la liste origami-fr dont l'adr est donne dans ma page.

a+
Vincent
 _______                                                     _____
|       | Osele Vincent (Toulouse/France) Membre du MFPP    /|    |
|       | osele@mygale.org                                 /_|    |
|       | http://www.mygale.org/09/osele/origami.htm      |       |
|_______| -----------------> ORIGAMI -------------------> |_______|





Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:33:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: DLister891@aol.com
Subject: Paulo Mulatinho

In his posting to Origami-L earlier today, Dave Foulds said that Jos Klein
Velderman was asking for the address of Paulo Mulatinho.

I am writing to Jos direct, but I thought that other subscribers might like
to know Paulo's address. It is:

Paulo Mulatinho,
Postfach  1922,
85319   Freising,
Germany.

Telephone Germany (0) 8161 - 41787.

Freising is about 20 km north east of Munich.

Paulo has a computer, but apparently doesn't have an e-mail address.

Paulo and Silke were at the BOS Convention at York the weekend before last
and were in great form.

David Lister,

Grimsby, England
DLister891@AOL.com





Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 09:28:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: steve179@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: Origami Letters/Numbers?

On 09/23/97 15:53:54 you wrote:
>
>Does anyone know of a book diagramming folds for letters or numbers?  Been
>looking for awhile with no luck.
>
>Thanks much,
>Stacey
>slp1668@is2.nyu.edu
>
>
>

Instructions for folding the entire Alphabet are in a book called "Folding
Money" which was traditionally sold in magic stores.I got my copy at
Tannen's in NY ... coincidentally someone at work told me Tannens has a web
site ....so perhaps they sell it online. I'll hunt around for my copy to
find out the author.





Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 09:31:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: Janell Jarman <jarman@digitalpla.net>
Subject: Re: poppers

RPlsmn@aol.com wrote:
>
> does anybody remember how to make those "poppers" from grade school?  the
> things that make a pop when you swing them through the air?

Momotani's "Trick Origami" has a "paper gun" in it that I believe is
what you are looking for.  I've also seen it somewhere else recently but
can't recall where.

Janell





Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 10:02:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: John Ahn <ahnjy@student.law.sc.edu>
Subject: Flowers

Hi all,

        I'm interested in making origami flowers.  Could anyone suggest a book
     in
the intermediate range that has a wide selection?  Also, what patterns are
good for flowers?  I suppose duo colors are appropriate, as well as harmony
and corona patterns, but any others?  And finally, what is the best way to
make the stem and leaves?  I'd appreciate any input.  Thanks!

                              John Ahn





Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 10:39:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Ginette Boyer <boyer@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: Flowers

John Ahn wrote:
> ... origami flowers.  Could anyone suggest a book in the intermediate range
> that has a wide selection? (...) And finally, what is the best way to
> make the stem and leaves?

I've found Lionel Albertino's _Le Panier Fleuri_ quite complete for all your
needs concerning these matters.  It's published by France Origami ( 18,
Voltaire avenue, 95230 Soisy-sous-Montmorency, France;  tel. 34 28 16 08,
fax. 34 28 16 33 ) and is currently distributed by Quebec Origami ( Marisa
Filion, mailto:pstmmf@qc.sympatico.ca ).  Even if it's in french, diagrams
are very clear.

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                |____|  /_ /______|
                    |/-/"-"-|       Le harfang des neiges,
Jean Villemaire     |       |       embleme aviaire
Montral, QUEBEC    |_______|       du Quebec

             mailto:villemaire@videotron.ca
                Origami-Montreal :
http://tornade.ere.umontreal.ca/~gonzalep/origami.html





Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 12:41:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@sci.fi>
Subject: Help with origami exhibit wanted

I'm having an origami exhibit at Hmeenlinna library from 26 January to
7 February.  As it is origami exhibit, not Jorma exhibit, I'm asking
everyone who would like to have their work featured to mail me privately
to work things out.

I'm not limiting the models in any way, there will be models of every
possible (and some impossible) size and everything from simple models to
the very limit of my (or your) abilities.  I'll try to assemble some
themes (Jurassic Park, different natural environments, geometry) but
that all depends on the models.  One idea I've had is to fold models for
some fairy tales, my favorites being "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland"
and "Through the Looking Glass".

I can't promise yor works won't be annihilated to particles or (gasp!)
stolen, but I think the possibility is pretty remote.  I will return any
models you want.  Most of my own work will be donated to the local
hospital, so I'd naturally prefer you willing to do the same.

Thank you all in advance,
Jorma

--
Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

They say I'm negative and indifferent, but I refuse to care.





Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 13:53:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: klundber@mnsinc.com
Subject: Re: Flowers

John Ahn wrote:
   >> ... origami flowers.  Could anyone suggest a book in the
   >>intermediate range  that has a wide selection? (...) And finally,
   >>what is the best way to  make the stem and leaves?

Jean Villemaire replied
   >I've found Lionel Albertino's _Le Panier Fleuri_ quite complete for
   >all your needs concerning these matters.  It's published by France
   >Origami ( 18, Voltaire avenue, 95230 Soisy-sous-Montmorency,
   >France;  tel. 34 28 16 08, fax. 34 28 16 33 ) and is currently
   >distributed by Quebec Origami ( Marisa
   >are very clear.

_________________
My favorite flower book is Origami Flowers (in Japanese) by Takahama
it has several unusual flowers
including a wonderful Wisteria, I made this a couple of
times from the Pergamino paper available from OUSA (last I checked). It gave
the final display a jewel-like appearance. Also included, hydrangea,
chrysanthemum, sunflower, pansy.

My other favorite is Fiori in Origami by Guido Gazzera (in Italian). It has
some very nice stylized flowers along with beautiful color pictures and
display ideas. There are some really nice container models included in this
book. The snowdrop and columbine are especially nice.

Both books contain foliage and stems. There were only one or two flowers in
Origami Flowers where the diagrams were difficult to follow, otherwise I'm
sure you would enjoy either book.

I haven't seen the French book. What type of flowers are included?
Realistic or stylized?

Kalei - klundber@mnsinc.com





Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 17:05:42 -0300 (ADT)
From: reeds@openix.com (Reeds family)
Subject: Re: Flowers

>Hi all,
>
>        I'm interested in making origami flowers.  Could anyone suggest a
>book in
>the intermediate range that has a wide selection?  Also, what patterns are
>good for flowers?  I suppose duo colors are appropriate, as well as harmony
>and corona patterns, but any others?  And finally, what is the best way to
>make the stem and leaves?  I'd appreciate any input.  Thanks!
>
>                                        John Ahn

If you aren't particular about the kind of flowers,  try coming up with
your own. Any base that uses 3, 4,5, 6, 8-symmetry around the center of the
square can be turned into some sort of approximation of a flower. You can
get color contrast by using two sheets of paper. It's a very pleasant way
to doodle in origami.
Karen
reeds@openix.com





Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 02:51:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: morpha <morpha@columbia-pacific.interrain.org>
Subject: Origami boxes

Several days back, someone posted a message about origami boxes, looking for
     people to
discuss same.  I must have deleted the message, because I can't find it.
     Anyway, I've been
working on origami boxes, particularly Fuse boxes for the past week or so and
     have been
having much fun with them.  I would be happy to talk about boxes with whoever
     you are
(sorry, I forgot) .

Morpha





Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 11:47:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: Garcia Macias Carlos <CGMACIAS@telmex.net>
Subject: Re:  Origami Letters/Numbers?

On 09/23/97 15:53:54 someone wrote:
>
>Does anyone know of a book diagramming folds for letters or numbers?
Been
>looking for awhile with no luck.
>
>Thanks much,
>Stacey
>slp1668@is2.nyu.edu
>
One excellent book on origami that includes a complete alphabet is:

Origami: a complete step by step guide
by Paul Jackson
The Hamlyn Publishing Group Limited (1989)
ISBN 0 600 565 483

If you can get it, it's very cheap (hardbound, less than 20 US$).

Good Luck!
/8-) Carlos Garcia M
e-mail: cgmacias@telmex.net





Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 13:16:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jeff Kerwood <jkerwood@usaor.net>
Subject: Summarys

Ya know what I think would be a great habit for us guys and gals to get
into, SUMMARY EMAILs. We have had several intersting threads lately;
origins of paper size, diagrams for alphabets, numerous corrections to a
diagram - to name a few. I would like to keep track of this information
in a way that can be easily refered back to. But by the time I know it
interestings and enough info has come up to warrent keeping track of -
too many emails have gone by and its gone (at least it would take
resarching to find the info again). Since the initator of the topic will
surely have kept track of all the important info, how about anybody who
solicites info and gets numersous "meaty" replys post an email with the
subject "(Summary Email) original subject" with all the main points.
Judgement would be needed so that we don't summarize trival things or it
will become more of a pain than it will be useful. What do ya think?

BYE :) Jeff Kerwood - jkerwood@usaor.net
Pardon misspellings I have a new email package and can't find the
spellchecker.





Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 17:10:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: hot air balloons (was:Re: poppers)

Jeannine Mosely wrote:
> In Massachusetts, where I live, it is illegal to launch an unpiloted
> balloon that carries its own fire aloft.  I would guess that this is
> probably illegal in many other states and countries, as well as being
> just plain dangerous.

You live an over-regulated life! <eg>. I have launched several hot-air
balloons when I was a kid, and have never been put in jail here in
Switzerland.
I'm sure an Origami hot air balloon will look nice. However, I think
the more practical way to make an actually flying hot-air balloon
is the good old cut&paste version. You don't need fireproof material;
just make the opening wide enough, and keep the flame at a reasonable
distance to the paper. And if anything goes wrong, a balloon catching
fire on its voyage is a spectacular sight, esp. at night :-).
And if you launch in an open area, it's not dangerous at all.
Unless you do this in summer in California!

Happy ballooning!
Matthias

---------------
Why is it called the "free world" when it's so damned expensive?





Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 17:13:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Re: McNitt's vacation in California

It's a mall world... my sister used to live in Vacaville;
now she lives near Winters (also in the area).
Well, I know of only one SF Origami Store (which lots
of people will refer you to <g>). They have tons of books
both in English and Japanese

Kinokuniya Bookstore
1581 Webster St.
San Francisco CA 94115
Fax: (415)567-4109

Happy hunting!
Matthias

Nancy B. McNitt wrote:
> We will be visiting our daughter next month. She lives in Vacaville, Ca.





Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 17:14:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Re: end of origami-l archive search.

Alex Bateman wrote:
>Dear all,
>         I have ended my origami-l archive and model database searching
>services. There are a number of reasons for this, which I will not bore
>you with.  I am very sorry that I have not been able to give more
>notice.  Alex Barber also runs an alternative search service at

Oh no! That's really sad. The search function was one of the most useful
thing I've ever seen. Thanks for all the good work, Alex!
Maybe the origami.net can provide this service from now on?
Or will Alex Barber soon get a complete archive on his site?
The origami-l archive is such a valuable resource, and I think
a good search function is the only manageable way to access the archive.
Let's hope someone has time&energy for this!

Matthias

---------
Why is it called "the free world" when it is so damned expensive?





Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 17:44:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: end of origami-l archive search.

Matthias Gutfeldt, in response to Alex's "search no more" note, wrote:
+Oh no! That's really sad. The search function was one of the most useful
+thing I've ever seen. Thanks for all the good work, Alex!
+Maybe the origami.net can provide this service from now on?
+Or will Alex Barber soon get a complete archive on his site?
+The origami-l archive is such a valuable resource, and I think
+a good search function is the only manageable way to access the archive.
+Let's hope someone has time&energy for this!

Whoa, there is still a search function available via email!  In fact,
it is more powerful than the web based search operations and I've
always found it to be very quick, usually 5 minutes or less from the
time I send off my email until I have a reply!

Maarten van Gelder posts info about the various email addresses,
including the archive access one, about every two weeks.  His last
message was on September 15th, as I recall.

+For those of you who have forgotten how to ACCESS the ARCHIVES ......
+   Send a message to:                        origami@ftp.rug.nl
+   with in the body a line saying only:      faq

-D'gou





Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 18:31:43 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: end of origami-l archive search.

On Thu, 2 Oct 1997, Daddy-o D'gou wrote:

> Matthias Gutfeldt, in response to Alex's "search no more" note, wrote:
> +Oh no! That's really sad. The search function was one of the most useful
> +thing I've ever seen. Thanks for all the good work, Alex!
> +Maybe the origami.net can provide this service from now on?
> +Or will Alex Barber soon get a complete archive on his site?
> +The origami-l archive is such a valuable resource, and I think
> +a good search function is the only manageable way to access the archive.
> +Let's hope someone has time&energy for this!
>
> Whoa, there is still a search function available via email!  In fact,
> it is more powerful than the web based search operations and I've
> always found it to be very quick, usually 5 minutes or less from the
> time I send off my email until I have a reply!

I'm looking into setting up a replacement for Alex's service on my site.
In the meantime, please use the other Alex's site or the email search
that Doug suggests.

          Joseph Wu           It's your privilege as an artist to inflict
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   the pain of creativity on yourself. We can
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami you how YOU paint. There's More Than One Way
                              To Do It. Have the appropriate amount of fun.
                                          --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 18:38:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: MSPARKS@pinkertons.com (MATTHEW SPARKS 05-025)
Subject: RE: Help with origami exhibit wanted

Jorma,

Where is
 Hmeenlinna library
and where should we send models.

Matthew Makaala Sparks
  email = MSparks@Pinkertons.com
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 20:06:34 -0300 (ADT)
From: Michael Montebello <florafauna@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE: McNitt's vacation in California

----------
From: Susan Dugan, RED hat

Try the Paper Tree
#415-921-7100 It's near the Japan Center one block north at 1743 Buchanan
Mall, nice people some are members of OUSA.
Also:
There is a card shop in Japan Center on the end of the mall closest to the
Golden Gate B. they were closed each time I was there but I could see lots of
large sheets of washi.
Enjoyed Hawaii, got to Masako's nice lady I will not need any washi any time
soon. Thanks!





Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 20:47:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: Douglas Zander <dzander@solaria.sol.net>
Subject: Re: Summarys

Will you summarize the responses you got to this summarizing topic?   :-)

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 dzander@solaria.sol.net       |
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