




Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 05:06:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kenny1414@aol.com
Subject: Re: Another home for origami on the net, a usenet newsgroup

In a message dated 97-09-22 00:23:03 EDT, you write:

> >Michel Bartolone said " rec.arts.origami has passed!".
>
>  Well, that's a good thing - YES?  I am afraid I don't have any idea what
>  rec.arts.origami means (other than I guess it's a web site). What is
>  special about having a "rec.arts"?

Qualified "YES". At least it's not a bad thing. If it gets a lot of use
it'll be a good thing. (But I'm not sure I see why we need it, when we
have origami-l, or the origami web ring. The only reason I can think
of is that more people will stumble across it, than will find their way
to origami-l, and I'm not sure of that.)

Good guess. No, it's not a website. It's something older and more
primitive, called a usenet newsgroup. I'm just learning about this, too.
It's an online, e-mail bulletin board, one of thousands, each supposed
 to be devoted to a  particular topic of discussion.

Yoiu can read messages from and post messages to the newsgroups
from your web browser.

If you're using America Online 3.0 for Windows (AOL 3.0W),
try KEYWORD USENET to get at some of the newsgroups.

If you're using Netscape Navigator Gold 3.01, from the menu choose
Window, then choose Netscape News (means the usenet newsgroups).

If you're using Netscape Communicator 4.01, from the menu choose
Communicator, then choose Collabra Discussion Groups (means
the usenet newsgroups).

If you're using Internet Explorer 4.0 Platform Preview, from the menu
choose Window, then choose Go, then choose News (means the
usenet newsgroups).

If you're using anything else, it should be something similar, and
hopefully the Help will tell you what you need to do.

Note that the newsgroups may be displayed as one choice
along with incoming mail and outgoing mail. This is because
they are a special category of e-mail.

By the way, I notice one of my books, The Complete Idiot's
Guide to the Internet, has chapter 15 about Newsgroups, and
then chapter 16 about LISTSERV discussion groups, which the
book describes as another form of newsgroup. This origami-l
mailing list is one of the LISTSERV discussion groups.

I know IRC (Internet Relay Chat) is a way to allow people to
type back and forth to each other, like instant e-mail, but I
don't know how that is done, nor what it has to do with
the newsgroups.

Getting back to the newsgroups, unfortunately, the
recent influx of newbies like me have generally been
ignorant of how to find the topic for a group, you're
supposed to look for the FAQ (frequently asked
questions) file for the group, which, confusingly, is
stored somewhere else, and usually has to be
gotten using an even older internet system called
FTP (file transfer protocol).

Worse, there are a lot of rude, stupid advertisers
that think nothing of posting (e-mailing) their
advertisements to newsgroups without regard
to the group topic. A horrible example is the
alt.binaries.pictures.origami which is almost
abandoned, and is full of XXX ads. I don't know if
(a) maybe the story is true, that there are
automatic posting programs that look for
newsgroups with low activity, on the theory that
an ad posted in such a group will be seen easier,
and will hang around longer than an ad posted to
a busy group, or (b) the dummies selling the
stuff can't spell orgy. *sigh*

Just be warned that "adult" stuff shows up
in newsgroups. Some newsgroups have
"moderators" who filter out the stuff that shouldn't
be there, but that is a lot of work, so it's not
real common. Afraid it's the coming thing tho,
because of all the advertising.

>  (Personal comment: this net stuff is
>  driving me crazy. I worked with mainframes for 15 years and all of a
>  sudden I'm starting over again - AAAHHHHHHGGGGG. Sorry just had to say
>  that).
>

Know what you mean. I've been hearing about
this stuff for the last ten years, but haven't had the
equipment, software, time, and inclination to
learn about it till now. My brother set up this
computer for me, and re-introduced me to the
Internet, uh, I think it was last Thanksgiving,
and I've been slowly learning ever since.

Aloha, (from Lansing, Michigan)

Kenneth Kawamura    kenny1414@aol.com





Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 12:28:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: Another home for origami on the net

> ok ... I'll chat about origami ... I think it's a shameful aspect of human
> nature to look at an elegant design on a two dimensional plane extrapolating
> itself into he third dimension as worth hardly more than the paper it was
> folded out of.  It should be easier to get a few bucks for these little
> labors of love
>
And if you get "a few bucks" for you "little labors of love" then and
only then will you be happy with origami???

---
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu
http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman





Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 12:59:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Quilts

Jeff,
Are your photos of quilts in digital form or
regular? If regular, I can scan a couple and
either post them in the origami-L or on my
mostly modular web pages. Or if digital,
you can send me a 2 or 3 and I'll put them
up for you.

Valerie Vann
Valerie_Vann@compuserve.com





Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:37:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: Carol Martinson <carolm@library.stpaul.lib.mn.us>
Subject: Origami for Jewish Holidays

        The local Ronald McDonald House has asked our local origami group
to provide them with holiday table decorations representing a variety of
faiths and religions.  The items would be displayed from just after
Thanksgiving through New Year's Day.  They particularly asked for some
items representing the Jewish religion, and this part of the request has
stumped members of our group, even the Jewish members, none of whom are
aware of appropriate origami models.  We are aware of some traditional
decorations used for Hanukkah but do not know of models representing them.

        There is a book called Jewish Origami which I have on order, but
it is only 12 pages long and is apparently geared for young children.  I
fear the models may not be substantial enough when enlarged to table
decoration size.
        I would appreciate any suggestions for appropriate models for
table decorations, especially representing the Jewish faith, but
suggestions for other religions would also be appreciated.

        Carol Martinson
        carolm@library.stpaul.lib.mn.us





Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:03:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: Eric Eros <eros@mohawk.engr.sgi.com>
Subject: Re: Origami for Jewish Holidays

        Ms. Martinson,

        There is a modular origami model of a Star of David in the archive
of "Centro Diffusione Origami" (home page http://www.essenet.it/cdo/).

        This is the "Stella di David", and the model's page is
http://lorien.sissa.it/CDO/mese0697.html

--
Eric Eros





Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:22:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: "MARGARET M. BARBER" <mbarber@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu>
Subject: Re: Origami for Jewish Holidays

There is a wonderful Jewish star in the 1996 OUSA Convention book.  I
think Jeremey Shafer is the designer.

Peg Barber
mbarber@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu





Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 03:17:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kim Best <kim.best@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: Another home for origami on the net

> Michel Bartolone said

> >" rec.arts.origami has passed!".

Great!  When do we start invading the other newsgroups?!?!?

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 04:27:43 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kenny1414@aol.com
Subject: Re: Origami for Jewish Holidays

I'm sending a list of suggestions to you, because it was a little long to
post to origami-l.





Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:07:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: Origami for Jewish Holidays

>
> I'm sending a list of suggestions to you, because it was a little long to
> post to origami-l.
>
>
I'd love to see that list of suggestions.
BTW one of the Jewish holidays that best lends itself to Origami is coming
up quite soon--Succoth. One of these days, er...years...when I have the time
I look forward to decorating my Succah exclusively with origami models!

---
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:25:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mark Morden <marmonk@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: Quilts

At 11:06 PM 9/21/97 -0300, you wrote:
>>From: morpha
>>Subject: Quilts
>
>>This discussion of origami quilts intrigues me.  Does anyone have
>photos
>>of origami quilts on their web page?  If not, can anyone describe what
>>one looks like?
>>

If you visit the Origami Olio, the address is below, and follow the link to
"Original Folds" there are photos of a quilt I designed.  I came up with the
woven Maltese Cross model and discovered there were pockets in the eight
points.  With a simple connector unit I was able to make this into a quilt.

Mark

Mark Morden == marmonk@mail.eskimo.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~marmonk/
--------------------------------------------------------
Trust the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your
own understanding;
In all your ways acknowledge Him, and he will make your
paths straight.                      Proverbs 3:5,6





Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:40:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: "NIGEL POTTLE, TEACHER LIBRARIAN, JAMES FOWLER SENIOR HIGH"@Owl.nstn.ca
Subject: Re: Origami for Jewish Holidays

There is a great six pointed star (described as a Christmas decoration) in
a Paul Jackson book (whose name I don't exactly remember but which is
a sort of Origami course), which is a pleasure to fold. I once made one for
every member of my staff at school for Christmas, (about 30), and loved
folding it. It has a precrease pattern which is rhythmic and flows nicely
and then it almost folds itself. I also think that it would lend itself
to larger paper because it has a decent locking mechanism and a little
depth which gives it a slight three dimensionality. (maybe the book is
called Origami 1-2-3, but I know that someone else will know the correct
title.

Nigel
npottle@cbe.ab.ca





Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:00:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Another home for origami on the net, a usenet newsgroup

Kenneth mentions the "old" internet protocol FTP.
On systems that support FTP or if you have an FTP
program (sometimes called an FTP client), ftp can
be an excellent way to fetch files, as the ftp servers
can be faster than the web servers, since they're not
so busy. On Compuserve, I often use the "regular",
non-Winsock connection with Compuserve's ftp as
it is much faster.

Also, you can use ftp from your web browser: just
substitute ftp for http in the address, e.g.

ftp://ftp.nstn.ca/listserv/origami-l

gets you to the origami-L listserver ftp location.

(This is not the archive at rug.nl, it is where the
listserver stores the messages, so current messages
are available. Its a good way to pick up a block of
recent messages you missed for some reason, like getting
postponed.)

--valerie





Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:29:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kristine Tomlinson <ktomlinson@platinum.com>
Subject: Littleton (Mass.) Origami Meeting 30 September.

Hi,

For those of you in the Massachusetts or southern New Hampshire area,
I'm happy to announce the second meeting of the Littleton origami group.
We had a really nice (!) turn out last month and I hope to see familiar and
new faces this month.  Drop in and say "hi!".

We have a new meeting room downstairs which is larger and will allow
us to chat without fear of disturbing anyone.  Here are the details and
directions:

When: Tuesday, 30 September 1997, 6:30 - 9:00.
Where: Reuben Hoar Public Library, Shattuck Street, Littleton, MA
(978) 486-4046.
Directions:  Get to the junction of routes 2A/110, 116 and 495.  It is in the
center of town at the only traffic lights.  There's a Mobile station and
Bob's Solid Oak nearby.

1. Coming from 2A East take a left at the lights onto King Street (110/2A
West) toward Ayer, MA.  Coming from 116 West take a right at the lights
onto King Street toward Ayer, MA.

2. You'll pass Bob's Solid Oak and a Shell station on the right, then a
cemetery.  At 2 tenths of a mile from the light is a right hand fork -- this is
one entrance to Shattuck Street.

If you miss it, continue on 110/2A for 5 tenths of a mile.  The other
entrance to Shattuck Street is on the right opposite Badger Funeral home.
The sign says Town Offices.

3. Drive to the rear of the building and park.

4. Enter the furthest door on the right at the back of the building.  There is
a sign for the "Meeting Room" on the door.

Hope to see you there!

Kristine Tomlinson
ktomlinson@platinum.com
Waltham, MA, USA





Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:38:41 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: IRC topics

jeffry kerwood wrote:
>If the original poster of this recent topic had instead said
> "how about a chat at 12:AM ET about the history of paper sizes", I think
> a lively and probative chat would of been had".

OK. Good idea. Paper sizes are so fascinating <g>.

No, really. I like your idea. Make an announcement on origami-l
maybe 2-3 days in advance (for those that receive the Digest),
with the channel, a topic, and maybe somebody like
Robert Lang in the cast, and this should work out very well.
Looks like I'll have to dig in the MIrc help-file some more...

Matthias

________
When I fold a falling tree in the forest, does it make a sound?





Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:41:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Re: the truth about Montroll

Unafolder@aol.com wrote:
> The first public sightings of the true John Montroll are now available online
> at:

Sorry, but I think those photographs are fakes. Well done, but fakes.
It has been extensively discussed here on origami-l that it takes at
least one extra hand to fold Montroll's models, but all the aliens on
the photographs have only two hands! Looks like you've been fooled by
somebody; keep hunting for the TRUE true Montroll!

Matthias





Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:03:12 -0300 (ADT)
From: Unafolder@aol.com
Subject: Re: the truth about Montroll

A-ha!  Don't be fooled.  The aliens have opposable toes!!!!!

The Unafolder
expert in crease alien anatomy





Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:12:02 -0300 (ADT)
From: A.Welles@student.kun.nl
Subject: Detailed Origami

Hi all,

Well, I just got back from the BOS convention in York and I met a lot of
Origami-l people there! Didn't we have a great time up there?

Of course the best thing of all was seeing Akira Yoshizawa in such good
health (although when I was walking around I bumped up to him, which was
very, very painful!)!

His work and his visions on Origami made me think of the following matter:
He explained when Dave Brill was going through the exhibition that in
order to do a good and realistic animal you don't have to add all kinds
of tiny details to the model. And if you see his models on display you
will totally agree with him.

I myself like to do detailed stuff a lot and I almost felt ashamed for
always wanting everything in a folded model.

But I was wondering: Isn't Yoshizawa's approach to folding (and most of
all: understanding) animals just a unique and different one than mine and
a lot of other (western) paperfolders.

I would be the last person to deny what mr. Yoshizawa says, because of all
the work an effort he has put in becoming the best paperfolder ever.

Because: lets be honest: Yoshizawa has reached a level of Origami no one
will ever reach again!

Is this an east-west thing or just two very different visions?
What is your opinion about this matter?

Arjan Welles
The Netherlands
A.Welles@Student.kun.nl

PS: I think it would be very wrong to say that there is only one vision on
designing that is right one!





Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:53:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: who? <slp1668@is2.nyu.edu>
Subject: Origami Letters/Numbers?

Does anyone know of a book diagramming folds for letters or numbers?  Been
looking for awhile with no luck.

Thanks much,
Stacey
slp1668@is2.nyu.edu





Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:27:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: "NIGEL POTTLE, TEACHER LIBRARIAN, JAMES FOWLER SENIOR HIGH"@Owl.nstn.ca
Subject: Re: Origami Letters/Numbers?

So, it's Paul Jackson again. I mentioned his book Origami 1-2-3 (or whatever
it's called). It has a method for folding letters using mostly reverse folds
with long strips.

Nigel
Npottlecbe.ab.ca





Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:18:07 -0300 (ADT)
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: Detailed Origami

Arjan Welles wrote about detailed origami.  I very much admire
"elegant" origami --- that which manages to convey the subject
with just the right amount of details but not more.
  At the same time, I am interested in "technical origami" which
seems to refer to the process of designing a model beginning not
from a choice of base among a preselected number of bases, but
from the designing of the base itself from the number and size
of appendages needed.  It seems to me that this is not distinct
from "elegant" or even "minimalist" or "Eastern" origami, but
can be one means to obtain elegant, minimalist, Eastern results.
Could we start a thread about technical origami with the subject,

    Re: Technical Origami ?

The questions I would ask are:

1) Is this the right sense of the term "technical origami"?

2) How do you actually do it?  E.g. Do the following steps
   make sense ????

       i) sketch the model
      ii) measure the model's appendages
     iii) locate the points of the appendages on square
          so as to correspond to the approximate lengths of
          the appendages
      iv) begin combining simple bases into compound bases,
          a la the intro to Engel's Folding the Universe,
          until the base fold pattern gives the appendage
          points
       v) fold and add details

3) Does anyone _really_ do this?

Robert Lang, Peter Engel, the Origami Detectives, Joseph Wu,
other designers, am I making good sense?  Can we build a simple
example of how this all works?

                           ... Mark

--
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|          e-mail: casida@chimie.umontreal.ca           |





Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:43:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: RPlsmn@aol.com
Subject: Re: Another home for origami on the net

no, I'm talking mega-moola





Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:47:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: "MARGARET M. BARBER" <mbarber@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu>
Subject: Re: Origami Letters/Numbers?

OUSA sells a book by Taichiro Hasegawa entitled Magical Origami Alphabets
and Numerals. ISBN 4-416-29610-4. Hope this helps.

Peg Barber
mbarber@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu

On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, who? wrote:

> Does anyone know of a book diagramming folds for letters or numbers?  Been
> looking for awhile with no luck.





Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:29:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Origami Letters & Other Stuff...

>OUSA sells a book by Taichiro Hasegawa entitled Magical Origami Alphabets
>and Numerals. ISBN 4-416-29610-4. Hope this helps.

        I don't know if what I have is an earlier edition of the reference
Peg Barber cited here, but I've got a xerox copy set of instructions for
folding a complete alphabet and (I think) some numbers.  These are fully 3D
models -- made up of series of rectangular cylinders (whatever the proper
geometric term is -- rectangulohedrons?); the letters are blocky but
definitely recognizeable and quite elegant -- they lend themselves nicely
to wet folding.  Most are from rectangles; the proportions of the rectangle
vary from letter to letter.  As I recall (the instructions are at home; I'm
at work as I write this), the xeroxes are from a German publication some
years old.  If anyone wants more information, I can check when I get home
and post again.

        BTW, as long as I've got everyone's ear (eye?), I want to do two things:

*  Say THANK YOU!!!!  to the people who were kind enough to send me some
info on places in Chicago to stop and drool while I'll be there in a couple
of weeks.  As it turns out, two of the places are within a few blocks of
where my sister lives, so I'll definitely get the chance to pop in!  8-D  I
wonder what the credit limit on my credit card is...

*  Relay to everyone that most of the responses I've had to the concept of
an IRC room with a name like #origami have been favorable, but if the
#FoldingWithFriends room already exists, then I have no wish to be
redundant or repetative or redundant by creating a new room unless people
are having problems with the old one (I haven't heard of any).  A bit of
elucidation:  some concern has arisen about the abuse of such a room by
outsiders taking up bandwidth with non-origami chat in the room.  This is,
probably, inevitable to some extent -- for that matter, I'd fully expect
that even avid folders in an origami chat room would, just in the course of
simple conversation and getting to know one another, drift far afield from
the topic of origami!  However, I should point out that pre-set chat rooms
generally have at least one permanent "moderator:"  this is someone who is
able to access special commands to boot people from the room if they're
being disruptive.  Obviously, nothing can be done when the moderator isn't
there, but certainly more than one person can be given moderator status.

        One person brought up the concept of on-line conferences, and I
fully support this notion!  It's one of the reasons why a chat room would
be ideal:  conferences could be held and attended by a wide variety of
people who would otherwise not be able to attend conferences in person at
various conventions.  (The obvious drawback is that, with current
technology, IRC rooms don't allow for live pictures, so everything would be
textual only.)  I had also envisaged the room as a sort-of on-line,
real-time origami help line:  people having problems with a model could
always pop in and, if they luckily happen upon someone else in the room,
may be able to receive advice on the model.  Lastly, such a room could
provide a place for folders to get to know each other beyond the capacity
of this list-server, which, I think, most people prefer to be limited to
origami topics, and not small talk and anecdote sharing.

        To this last point, I also support the suggestion that records of
origamically relevant chats and conferences be uploaded to this
list-server's FTP center so that those who may have missed them can access
them later -- the capacity to record them is (I think) built-in to most
dedicated IRC programs.

        Anyway, I apologize for not having been a regular e-mail
correspondant or contributor to this list -- I am in the throes of
finishing my Masters thesis at the moment, and have had little time for
origami.  8-C  But...I do miss you all, and, once this thesis is more or
less behind me, I hope to be back here more often!





Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:37:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: JacAlArt@aol.com
Subject: Re: Origami Letters/Numbers?

In a message dated 9/23/97 2:03:56 PM, you wrote:

<<OUSA sells a book by Taichiro Hasegawa entitled Magical Origami Alphabets
and Numerals. ISBN 4-416-29610-4. Hope this helps.>>

This one is great. Not c-o-m-p-l-e-x (not to start that again) -- but easy to
follow diagrams. All numerals and letters (uppercase and lower case), as well
as math symbols are folded from 1 uncut square and are all proportional.
(This helps when folding words or sentences. You don't need to re-size any
paper!) Bad news -- all text is in Japanese. Good news -- good diagrams.
(This is not to say Japanese is bad -- nor is it to say books written is
Japanese are bad. It is simply to state pros and cons of said publication
from the point of view of one who does not read nor write Japanese. Don't
wanna piss anyone off THIS time.)
~Alec





Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:25:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Using PSPrinter for pdf files

     For those of you who are interested in converting line drawings or
scanned photographs to concise pdf files, for which the Acrobat Reader 3.
can be downloaded free from Adobe, my recent experience with PSPrinter may
be of interest.  I have been using Canvas 3.5.1 on a Macintosh to create
origami drawings and then converting them to pdf using the latest Acrobat
Adobe package, which contains PSPrinter among other programs, such as
Exchange, Capture, Distiller, Reader.  PSPriner is a printer driver which
has the option of either creating a postscript file or a pdf file.  If
Chooser is used to select PSPrinter as the printer driver, the Print
command will result in a choice of creating a Postscript or a PDF file or
both.  After the postscript file is created PSPrinter calls on Distiller to
use it as input to create the pdf file.  I have found it convenient to use
PSPrinter to convert multiple page documents to pdf, but on a recent
attempt to convert the two-page Treasure ship drawings to pdf I ran into a
problem of  page size mismatch between Canvas and PSPrinter, although  I
used 8.5 x 11 inches or letter size as the page size.
     It turned out that Canvas cuts out a margin of .25 on all four sides,
while PSprinter used the full 8.5 x 11 page size.  The net result was that
the first page  of the pdf output included part of the second page, while
the second page was missing the portion that went into the first page.  I
read the instructions for the PSPrinter and found that it was possible to
customize the page size description either to include or exclude this
margin.  The option to customize was not preent when the page setup in the
file menu was opened.  However, by pressing the Control key (the key in the
lower lefthand corner of the keyboard of the Macintosh) when the Page Setup
is chosen from the File Menue, the Custom option appears.  This permits
choosing a page of any size and specifying the amount of margin desired.  I
let 8.5 x 11 as the page size and changed the margin of .25 to 0.  This
changed the Canvas page size to the full 8.5 x 11 inches, making it agree
with the full page size that PSPrinter was using.
     I noticed, however, that the printed pdf pages were correct, but
noticed that the output drawings were a little more compressed than the
original.  I then noticed that among the page setup options for PSPrinter
the one for Shrink to Fit had been checked.  When I unchecked that
everything came out fine.
     It may be preferable for some to use a drawing program, like Freehand
7.0 to get pdf output, but it has been my experience that the pdf output is
the most compact when the latest Distiller is used to create it.  For the
two page drawing of Treasure boat Canvas and the postscript version
required 99k for storage, while the pdf version using Distiller was 33k.  I
have not tried the Freehand version.
James M. Sakoda, origami dollar bill foldings in pdf form:
http://idt.net/~kittyv





Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:36:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Vulcano <vulcano@br.homeshopping.com.br>
Subject: Paper and books in NY

        Hallo,

I will be in New York in the middle of October. Does anyone know where we
can buy origami books and paper besides Kinokuniya Bookstores?

Thanks for help.

Lilian Sant'Anna





Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:44:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: DRAPY1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Paper and books in NY

Here's two stores to look into for origami books and papers:

ZEN ORIENTAL, 521 5th Avenue (between 43rd and 44th) and

OCS (Overseas Courier Service), 5 East 44th (between Madison and 5th)

I haven't been to either in quite a while, so I can't promise they're still
in business.
Both had a rather small selection of books, and only one (I can't recall
which one) supplied papers, some of which were unique.

Good luck!

Dana Rapisardi





Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 02:23:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: Laurie Bisman <lbisman@ihug.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Origami Letters/Numbers?

> Does anyone know of a book diagramming folds for letters or numbers?
Been
> looking for awhile with no luck.
>

Stacey, Volume two of 'Folding Money' by Victor Frenkil (originally
purchased from The Origami Centre in New York) has a complete alphabet and
numerals. The book is quite old now, has a copyright 1968 on the inside
cover. You should be able to find it somewhere. If not, contact me and we
can sort something out for you.

Regards..

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Laurie Bisman    lbisman@ihug.co.nz (ICQ number  1458799)
Web page          http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~lbisman/index.html
Company           http://www.addlink.ac.nz/Home.htm





Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 08:35:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mike & Janet Hamilton <Mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Paper and books in NY

Vulcano wrote:
> I will be in New York in the middle of October. Does anyone know where we
> can buy origami books and paper besides Kinokuniya Bookstores?

Alufoil Products Co., Inc.
135 Oser Ave.
Hauppauge, NY 11788
(516) 231-4141
Large sheets, rolls, catalogue of plain foil papers 30 lb stock colors.

Asahiya Bookstores
New York City, NY at 52 Vanderbilt St, west side of Grand Central
Station between 43rd and 44th Sts.

Asian Rare Books
175 W. 93rd Street (suite 16-D)
New York NY 10025, USA
Fax: (212) 316-3408

Barnes and Noble
near Columbus Circle
New York, NY
Lots of origami books

Chinatown Books
Elizabeth St., one block west of Canal and Bower
New York, NY
On the same side of Elizabeth St. as Oriental Culture Enterprises.
Origami books.

Crafts on Broadway
215 W 76th St Fl 2 (corner of 76th and Broadway)
New York, NY 10023
(212) 501-7320

Dover Publications, Inc.
31 East 2nd Street
Mineola, NY 11501

Gaylord's Library Supply
PO Box 4901
Syracuse NY 13221-4901
(800) 448-6160
The big library supply house Gaylord's carries archival quality (ie acid
free, PH neutral etc) tissue in sheets (intended for wrapping small
museum objects and
clothing in costume collections), plus several varieties of glassine for
interleaving (in books with prints to keep the color from coming off on
the facing page.) Also
carries supplies for conserving/deacidifying paper.

Jam Envelope & Paper Co.
621 Sixth Ave.
New York, NY 10011
(212) 255-4593

Jos. Yavarkovsky
(212) 475-7795
Paper specialty distributers - aluminum foil, in 24" width, 1,000 feet
length

Kate's Paperie
8 West 13 St.
New York, NY 10011
(212) 633-0570

Kinokuniya Bookstore
10 West 49th St.
New York, NY 10020
FAX (212) 541-9335
Hours are 10AM to 7:30PM, seven days a week. English and Japanese
origami books, origami paper upstairs.

Morning Glory
A chain of Korean stationery stores. Branches in NY.

New York Central Art Supply Inc.
62 Third Ave.
New York, NY 10003
(212) 473-7705
(800) 950-6111
Hand-made and artisans papers

OCS Bookstore
5 East 44th Street (Between Madison Ave & 5th Ave)
New York, NY

Oriental Culture Enterprises Co., Inc.
13 - 17 Elizabeth St, Second Floor
New York, NY 10013
FAX (212) 431-6695
Sells Chinese origami books and Korean origami paper

Origami Source (OUSA Supply center)
c/o Phyllis Meth
40-05 166th St.
Flushing, NY 11358
FAX: (718) 762-2177

St. Martin's Press
175 Fifth Avenue
New York, N.Y.
Publisher of some origami books.

World Journal Bookstore
Whitestone, New York City, Flushing (2 locations), Brooklyn, NY
Chinese origami books from Taiwan.

Zen Oriental Bookstore-Tokyo Shoten
521 Fifth Ave.
New York, NY 10175
(212) 697-0840

Janet Hamilton

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mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/





Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:05:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: alozada@notes.cc.bellcore.com
Subject: Model Preservation

I've been making origami models since June but will not use them until
March, 1998.  I stored them in boxes.  In there any preservation process I
need to know to keep them the same six months from now.  Or, there's no
need to worry about them since paper and color will keep for a long time.
Please let me know if there is anything I need to do.





Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:06:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Mr.COLIN ROWE" <pazcmr@pan1.pharm.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: Lost Address

Can the gentleman who I met at the BOS convention in York send his address to
my E-mail.
 I have the information about Neal Elias' "Siesta" that he wanted.
PS. I 've almost caught up with my sleep after York, I had a ball!
Can't wait until Birmingham,UK (April 98)
Colin (not Chris!) Rowe
colin.rowe@nottingham.ac.uk





Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:51:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kristine Tomlinson <ktomlinson@platinum.com>
Subject: Correction: Littleton Origami Meeting

Hi,

It seems my directions to the library were in error again (see what
happens when you proof-read your own writing with a week-old head
cold?).   The Littleton town center traffic lights are at the junction of Rts.
2A/110, 495, and 119 (*not* 116).  The rest is OK.  Thanks to Dennis
Brannon for catching that one. ( Maybe by the third meeting, I'll get it right
the first time!)

Kristine Tomlinson





Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:55:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Re: Origami for Jewish Holidays

Kim's Crane Supplies is selling my three tapes on Jewish Origami.  Check them
out at their web site.  Dorigami





Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:45:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Re: Origami Letters/Numbers?

*laugh* Great disclaimer! How very O.C. ;-).

JacAlArt@aol.com wrote:
> (This is not to say Japanese is bad -- nor is it to say books written is
> Japanese are bad. It is simply to state pros and cons of said publication
> from the point of view of one who does not read nor write Japanese.





Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:46:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Nancy B. McNitt" <nbm@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Paper and books in NY

The people who owned Zen Oriental retired and closed the store. I tried To
go this summer during the OUSA Convention and was sad to see them closed.
Glenn McNitt

At 12:44 AM 9/24/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Here's two stores to look into for origami books and papers:
>
>ZEN ORIENTAL, 521 5th Avenue (between 43rd and 44th) and
>
>OCS (Overseas Courier Service), 5 East 44th (between Madison and 5th)
>
>I haven't been to either in quite a while, so I can't promise they're still
>in business.
>Both had a rather small selection of books, and only one (I can't recall
>which one) supplied papers, some of which were unique.
>
>Good luck!
>
>Dana Rapisardi





Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:18:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: Vulcano <vulcano@br.homeshopping.com.br>
Subject: Papers and books in NY

Hi, to all

Thanks to everybody who answered my question about books and papers in NY.
I live in Brazil and it is hard to find the material we need. We have to import
almost everything.

Regards.
Lilian Sant'Anna
vulcano@br-homeshopping.com.br





Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 02:55:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
Subject: Dragons and things...

I went to a meeting of Capital Folders recently, and in a Japanese
magazine, there was some *beautiful* dragons.  I was hesitant at first
because both are compound, but both are far too nice looking, IMHO, to
pass up b/c of that.  One is a western three piece dragon, requiring two
squares and a triangle, and the other is a two piece eastern dragon.  my
question is, how might I get a copy of this Oru, if ppl know what I'm
talking about?  This magazine also had a beautiful killer whale by
Kawahata... anyone?

--Chinh Nguyen chinhsta@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu

"I was never more hated than when I tried to be honest.  Or when, even as
        just now I've tried to articulate exactly what I felt to be the
        truth."  -- Ralph Ellison, _The Invisible Man_





Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 05:13:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: jeffry kerwood <jkjeff@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Another home for origami on the net, a usenet newsgroup

>Thanks Kenneth Kawamura for your detailed reply to my question about
what rec.arts.origami is. Now I get it but you got me wondering again,
is it a good thing? Is this something that will divide us, some people
here and some to the rec.art.origami? What do ya think? Does it have the
cool archiving that we do?

Thanks, Jeff

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 05:32:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: jeffry kerwood <jkjeff@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Model Preservation

>From: alozada@notes.cc.bellcore.com
>Subject: Model Preservation

>I've been making origami models since June but will not use them until
>March, 1998.  I stored them in boxes.  In there any preservation
process I
>need to know to keep them the same six months from now.  Or, there's no
>need to worry about them since paper and color will keep for a long
time.
>Please let me know if there is anything I need to do.
>
>

I don't think think you have anything to worry about. At most they might
need to be "readjusted" before you display them. I think most anything
will keep 6 months (unless they are stored in an excessively damp place
(or they get stepped on ;) or the cat plays with them ;))). I am pretty
sure that someone wishing to give you a definitive answer (not myself)
would need to know what models you are folding and with what paper.

BTW: I didn't see your name in here. Who are you? :)

Bye - Jeff Kerwood

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 05:40:33 -0300 (ADT)
From: mciarlet@minitel.net (MATHIEU CIARLET)
Subject: HELLO

bonjour misses and misters folders
I am a french guy who folds when time allows me. I'm 25 years old and been
folding for about 15 years nowMaybe some people out here know me as Ihad
been subscribed to this list about 2years ago; and I'm glad to be back.Is
vincent Osele still here and there now other french folders ?

enjoy yourselves and 'may the fold be
with you'
Mat





Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 06:14:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: jeffry kerwood <jkjeff@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Quilts

>From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
>Subject: Re: Quilts

>
>Jeff,
>Are your photos of quilts in digital form or
>regular? If regular, I can scan a couple and
>either post them in the origami-L or on my
>mostly modular web pages. Or if digital,
>you can send me a 2 or 3 and I'll put them
>up for you.
>
>Valerie Vann
>Valerie_Vann@compuserve.com
>

First things first. Valerie, you continue to astound me. You are always
so friendly and helpful. (Well maybe I need to change that to ALMOST
ALWAYS friendly, you have had to talk sternly to us on occasion ;) ).
Thanks for being so cool.

They are NOT digital and I would love to post some on your mostly
modular page. I have picts now but would like to retake them. Any hints
on taking good picts for scanning (size, contrast, lighting, ...?)?

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:44:43 -0300 (ADT)
From: RPlsmn@aol.com
Subject: re: tools

would the tools used to fold micro-mini models be useful in macro-size to aid
arthritics in folding exercises, and what and where are they?





Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:18:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: FoldingCA@webtv.net (Dorothy Engleman)
Subject: Casting Call

Hello again,

I'd like to thank everyone who responded to my September 10th post
regarding my television show, "Folding California".  I still need a few
good folders and so I would like to extend  another invitation to
members of Origami-L to join "Folding California's" precision folding
crew.

"Folding California" is a truly unique production.  It will feature an
entire origami cast of characters illustrating well-known attractions in
California like the San Diego Zoo, the Museum of Natural History, The
Hollywood Bowl, Venice Beach and, of course, Tinseltown.

John Montroll, Robert Lang, Peter Engel, Stephen Weiss, David Brill,
Joseph Wu, Marc Kirschenbaum, Jeremy Shafer and Michael LaFosse are just
a few of the over thirty world-class artists who will be represented in
"Folding California". Some delightful, whimsical models have already
been commissioned and will be making their "world premiere" in "Folding
California".

I need your help to make "Folding California" a fabulous looking show.
If you are an advanced, precise folder and are willing to fold
approximately 10 models in the high-intermediate to complex to the
occassional super-complex range by December 31, 1997, please
contact me for further details and include a telephone number where I
can reach you. Thank you.

Dorothy Engleman

FoldingCA@webtv.net
