




Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:10:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: Gordon Crane <gcrane@kreative.net>
Subject: Re: Origami Entropy

John Ahn wrote:

> Hello all,
>
>         I was wondering if anyone could give me info on
> web-based, mail order
> companies that sell origami paper.  The only ones I know
> of are:
>                 Fascinating Folds
> (www.fascinating-folds.com)
>                 Mono (www.vanlink.com)
>                 Crane (www.dimscrane)
> These three are pretty good and well organized, but I was
> wondering if
> there was any more out there.
>
>                                         John Ahn

I believe the correct WEB address for (Kim's) Crane is
http://www.kimscrane.com

Gordon





Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:31:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: PErick3491@aol.com
Subject: teaching

Hello,
I got such a nice response to my questions about paper sources in London that
I thought I would ask another question.  I teach special ed. delinquent boys
crafts.  The boys try everything--clay, beads, ceramics, paint, etc. This
summer I had them tie-dye their paper and we made accordian books.  They love
everything, but when I try origami they are resistant.  I think the reason
might be because I am a rather precise folder, and may be over-instructing
them.  On the other hand, could it be that this art requires following
directions, and that is something these boys dislike?  Any thoughts?  Also,
 does anyone have any comments about Fuse's Quilt book.  I'm about to take
the plunge and send for it, but would like comments.  Thanks.  Pat





Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:45:42 -0300 (ADT)
From: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Marius Kirsch)
Subject: Re: Origins of the paper sizes.

On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Jose Tomas Buitrago wrote:
> Why the letter size is 8.5"x11" or the european papers has 210x297 cm?

The A sizes are easy to explain (as I think I have done already in some
older message.)

The major advantage of the proportion of 1:sqrt(2) is that you can divide
the paper in half on the longer side and get two pieces of paper that have
exactly the same proportions. Therefore, if you have one starting paper
size, you can get all smaller sizes simply by dividing the paper, without
altering the proportions.

The starting size of A sized paper is A0, which has a surface of one
square meter. And that is the only thing you need to know of it, because
you can calculate it's actual dimensions with a few simple arithmetics:

a and b are the sides of the paper. Then you have two equations:

a*b = 1         <=> a = 1 / b
a / b = sqrt(2) <=> a = sqrt(2) * b

    1 / b = sqrt(2) * b
<=> b^2 = 1 / sqrt(2)
<=> b = 0.840896

a = 1 / b = 1 / 0.841 = 1.18921

So the dimensions of A0 paper is 841mm x 1189mm, and if you divide this
sheet four times, you get to A4 paper which is 210mm x 297mm.

You can expand this system into both directions. Peter Koppen of Munich,
the maker of the MicroShips, says that his smallest paper size is A17,
which is just a few mm long. And you can also imagine bigger paper sizes,
like A-1.

There are two other series of paper format, the B- and the C-series. B
sized paper is paper that is intended to be cut to A sized paper. B0 is
1000mm x 1414mm, and B4 is 250mm x 353mm. C sizes are for folders,
envelopes and the like. C0 is 917mm x 1297mm, and C4 is 229mm x 324mm.

I believe that all the other paper sizes, like letter or legal, or the old
German sizes like "Breit Kanzlei" or "Stab", were just arbitrary values
that seemed to the paper manufacturers like a good idea at the time.

Yours, Sebastian                                          skirsch@t-online.de
                           /or/ sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de (no mail > 16KB!)





Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:03:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Chamberlain, Clare" <Clare.Chamberlain@health.wa.gov.au>
Subject: FW:

>
>How do some people get message before the digest comes out?  Or does it get
>sent off in stages?  I find it fascinating that messages are often answered
>in the same digest?  Is there some kind of time squash? Is this what they
>call a blintz?

(I'm still very worried about this elephant hide - if I were an
elephant, I'd now have a phobia about origami-sits (and hide!).  Anyway,
why not Rhino or hippo?)

The best thing about buying expensive paper is that you never risk
folding it, and eventually you get cupboards full of pristine paper!
The only cures I've found for this are to move into a bigger house
and/or to have children who have no respect for 'good' paper -
unfortunately either choice is expensive (but then at least you'll stop
being able to buy all that paper....)

The Perth Paper Person,

>Clare Chamberlain
>Planning Officer
>Program, Planning and Purchasing
>Health Department of Western Australia
>189 Royal Street, EAST PERTH, WA 6004
>Clare.Chamberlain@health.wa.gov.au
>
>----------
>From:  FoldingCA@webtv.net[SMTP:FoldingCA@webtv.net]
>Sent:  Monday, September 08, 1997 1:34 PM
>To:    Chamberlain, Clare
>
>Hi Clare,
>Thanks for your very amusing and irreverent AND irrelevant toilet paper
>post.
>The world of stand-up comedy (or is it
>sit-down comedy) awaits you.
>Dorothy
>
>FoldingCA@webtv.net





Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:08:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Elephant hide (was:Re: Expensive paper(was Re: Origami Entropy))

Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch> sez

>After all this talk about elephant hide, I still don't
>have a clue what it is. Or did I miss the explanation?

When you're on safari, you want to observe elephants without getting
trampled on, so you build an elephant hide, using a very thick paper
indeed.

>Matthias, clueless as usual...

Like the proverbial blank crossword? Er.....

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:29:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: "margery.webb" <Margery.Webb@asu.edu>
Subject: Re: teaching

If you just folded some origami airplanes, flying bats and other animals
and left them in view of your "boys" I think their curiousity will
increase to the point that they'll ask you to teach them. This worked for
my seventh grade math class which could hardly wait for my origami lesson
which was taught by their peers and all I did was supervise.

Good Luck!  Margery





Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:52:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: Liz Hanson <liz@zylanid.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Origins of the paper sizes.

In message <Pine.SV4.3.96.970910132107.11582A-100000@maxwell.univalle.ed
u.co>, Jose Tomas Buitrago <buitrago@maxwell.univalle.edu.co> writes
>
>Anyone knows about the origins of the paper sizes ?
>Why the letter size is 8.5"x11" or the european papers has 210x297 cm?
>
>I think is best and easy to has proportions 2x1 or 3x2, but the A4 has
>proportions 1 x square root of 2 and the letter size is 1 x 1.294...
>
>
>Jose Tomas
>
>
A4 is a member of a family of papers in the same proportion.  A0 is the
basis - having an area of one sq metre, but sides in the exact
proportion that will allow the A0 sheet to be divided into two sheets of
A1 with the same proportion of length to width.  Keep dividing down to
A2, A3 and A4 (and A5, A6, ...).  Don't know about letter paper.
--
Liz Hanson





Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:14:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kenny1414@aol.com
Subject: Origami Sighting

I found the following while browsing a usenet newsgroup, alt.magic .

<<
Subject: folding dollar??
From: skajester@aol.com (Ska Jester)
Date: 5 Sep 1997 21:29:31 GMT

anyone know the trick where the dollar bill is placed on the hand and
folds itself up into eighths.. i would really love to know how that is
done.. thanks.. please reply email..
>>

I don't know that trick. Anyone here know it?

Kenneth Kawamura    kenny1414@aol.com





Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:44:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mr & Mrs Owen <djowen@pcl.net>
Subject: Re: teaching

I need to do a kindergarten class.  I excited about because something that
happened two weeks ago.  After helping my child's dance teacher set up for
open house I went off to kill time folding with my daughter.  My child is
five and she needed a little help.  First one young girl came to watch,
then two more until I found myself teaching all of them.  My son [ the real
folder of the family] was annoyed using his paper, but I couldn't stop!
The little girls were mesmerized.  I'm hooked.  I have to do it again.
Just seeing their faces light up with delight when their models finished
convinced I have to teach again.  I am a novice, and I am seeking any
advice anyone will share
mother of the folder
joyce owen
----------
> From: margery.webb <Margery.Webb@asu.edu>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject: Re: teaching
> Date: Wednesday, September 10, 1997 8:31 PM
>
> If you just folded some origami airplanes, flying bats and other animals
> and left them in view of your "boys" I think their curiousity will
> increase to the point that they'll ask you to teach them. This worked for

> my seventh grade math class which could hardly wait for my origami lesson

> which was taught by their peers and all I did was supervise.
>
> Good Luck!  Margery





Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:52:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: John Ahn <ahnjy@student.law.sc.edu>
Subject: Websites for paper

Hi all,

        First of all, thank you Janet Hamilton for your info on web sites that
mail order paper.  Next, my sincerest apologies to the Cranes for
incorrectly listing their web address - it was an unfortunate typo.  And
while I'm on the topic of addressing my errors, I should point out that the
full address for Mono's site is:
                   http://www.vanlink.com/mono/origami.htm
Thanks all.

                              John Ahn





Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 03:42:22 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kenny1414@aol.com
Subject: Re: Request: Dream-catcher

In a message dated 97-09-10 13:15:11 EDT, you write:

<< using origami to teach Native beliefs is one of my specialities >>

Maybe this will also interest you. There is a book,

"Traditional Papermaking and Paper Cult Figures of Mexico",
by Alan R. Sandstrom and Pamela Effrein Sandstrom,
copyright 1986, ISBN: 0-8061-1972-1,
University of Oklahoma Press, Norman, OK  73019,

about "small, doll-like figures" cut out of "colored tissue paper"
for a "Nahua Indian religious ceremony".
The figures are beautiful, sort of like Hopi sand painting figures,
but different. The book says these are a continuation of a
pre-Hispanic religious tradition, and the indians used to use
bark paper, but now use commercial colored tissue.

Aloha,

Kenneth Kawamura    kenny1414@aol.com





Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:59:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: jeffry kerwood <jkjeff@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: teaching

>From Pat:

>... does anyone have any comments about Fuse's Quilt book.  I'm about
to take the plunge and send for it, but would like comments.

Ohhh do I have something to say about the Fuse Quilt book. YES, avoid it
at all costs. Because if you buy it and get the Fuse quilt bug like I
did you may never have time to talk with your family, read a book or
sleep at night. All kidding aside, it is a lovely book. I have folded
lots from it and am always trilled with the results.

=================

Thanks Jeff. (JKJEFF@HOTMAIL.COM)

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com





Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:10:33 -0300 (ADT)
From: "S.Blackman" <s.blackman@cranfield.ac.uk>
Subject: Cathy's visit to Daventry

Cathy stated >

>I think I will be near Birmingham.  I am going to Deliverance, a Blakes 7
>convention, in Daventree.  It seemed silly to us to go to all that trouble
>and expense just to spend three days in a hotel in Daventree, so we
decided
>to spend even more money (is this making any sense??)  and spend a week in
>England, most of it in London.  As I have been in London once before, I
>could easily take a day out of the schedule to visit origami people and
>places.  Any BOS members in Daventree?  Maybe we could fold Liberators...

I live about 6 miles from Daventry and assume this makes me the nearest
person on this list. From the BOS membership list, I don't think that any
other members live in Daventry although several live in close proximity
(Birmingham and Leicester).

If you have visited London before, you may want to use Daventry as a base
to see the surrounding area. Daventry is not in itself interesting or
historical but it is a good base for Oxford, Cambridge and Stratford on
Avon and is also close to the now famous Althorp House.

If you are there the last Sunday of March, there should be an origami
mini-meeting in Birmingham.

Please let me know if you need any information about the area.

Stephen Blackman
Senior Lecturer
Welding Engineering





Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:57:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: rick@tridelta.com (Rick Bissell)
Subject: Re: Fuse Quilt book

I loved Jeffry's comments about the Fuse Quilt book.  I also have it and
would like to add a few comments of my own:

The quality of the book is very good, and there is a good selection of
designs and wonderful color photographs.

I believe this book is only available with Japanese text.  This hasn't
usually caused a problem for me with other books, but in this case it does
require you to do a bit of investigative work in hunting down the locations
for the diagrams of connecting pieces that may be found in different
sections of the book.   Some of the units also start out with an initial
diagram of a creasing pattern and you have to figure out how to get to that
point by yourself.  There are some pieces and assembly methods that I still
haven't been able to figure out.  Although it can be frustrating, it's also
rather fun tracking down the mystery...(I *think* I've figured out the
Japanese symbols for refering to page numbers and step numbers).  Another
downside to the language barrier is that I suspect I'm missing helpful side
comments about possible variations to the patterns.

I guess the level would be intermediate.  Many of the units are created by
using twist-fold methods.

In conclusion I would recommend the book, but be forewarned that it won't be
as straightforward as other books that you have used.

   -- Rick





Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:01:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: Dennis Brannon <brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com>
Subject: RE: teaching

Pat,

>They love
>everything, but when I try origami they are resistant.  I think the reason
>might be because I am a rather precise folder, and may be over-instructing
>them.  On the other hand, could it be that this art requires following
>directions, and that is something these boys dislike?  Any thoughts?

It could be the models you are teaching.  Digging back into my past,
boys folded paper airplanes and girls folded fortune tellers.  Any boy folding
a fortune teller risked ridicule.  Try airplane, dinosaur, and dragon models.

dennis
---

Dennis Brannon
brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com





Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:19:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Re: paper cutting for quilts

jeffry kerwood wrote about getting paper cut at a shop:
> Thats exactly what I wanted to do. But I was making different quilts,
> needing different kinds and sizes of papers. I did think of this, it
> just didn't work out.

There's another neat quilting tool my mother showed me
a few days ago: A "ShortCut" mat, made out of clear PVC.
It is 16x16inch and has parallel slits at 1/2 inch intervals.
You can insert a rotary cutter into the slits and cut perfectly
parallel strips at whatever interval you need, then rotate the
mat 90 degrees, and repeat the process. Perfect squares, and lots
of them :-). Of course, as with all cutting you have to work VERY
precise.

Matthias, precisely 1/2mm off mark...





Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:03:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Fuse Quilt book

FYI:

amazon.com is listing a Fuse Quilt Book by
Japan Publications as forthcoming. I haven't
checked the ISBN yet, but this may be an
English language version, since it is Japan
Publications and also amazon.com has only
carried the English Fuse books in past.

Also unknown, of course, (if it is to be English)
is whether it is a complete issue of the Japanese
version or not.

On "tracking down the pieces", I've found that if
you work through a few Fuse Japanese books, you can
easily get the hang of the reference system, the symbols
for pages, steps, and the references to paper sizes, etc.

Valerie_Vann@compuserve.com





Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:11:42 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: RE: teaching

<<Any boy folding
a fortune teller risked ridicule>>

In my school in California, these were decorated inside with
spots with legs ("cooties"=lice), with one plain face, and were
known as "cootie catchers". So *of course*, it was the little
boys who terrified the little girls with the things (pretending

So just change the name. Then there's always waterbombs...

--valerie





Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:37:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: RA Kennedy <kennedra@isdugp.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Origami in Birmingham (UK)

>
> If you are there the last Sunday of March, there should be an origami
> mini-meeting in Birmingham.

Yes, we meet on the last Sunday of every month (December may be an
exception). I organise the meetings. If you would like more information,
please email me privately (I'm guessing, but Birmingham, UK is probably
not immediately accessible to most members of origami-l!).

Regards

Richard K
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:11:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kevin Kinney <kkinney@mail.carolinas.org>
Subject: Reply FLUFF:  Hippo hide

>(I'm still very worried about this elephant hide - if I were an
>elephant, I'd now have a phobia about origami-sits (and hide!).  Anyway,
>why not Rhino or hippo?)
>

>>Clare Chamberlain

Hippo hide is good for wet-folding...

Kevin
kkinney@carolinas.org

Kevin Kinney
kkinney@carolinas.org





Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:04:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: Brett Askinazi <brett@hagerhinge.com>
Subject: Success Story and Model Hints.

Well since everyone kinda seems interested in successes, I'll put in my
accomplishments over the last 2 or three weeks.  And a few hints.

I finished (quite nicely I might add) the following models.

Lang - Long Necked Seed Bug - Origami Insects - (my nemesis)  I wont tell
you how many times I failed in the past cause I'm not sure myself :)  Hint:
 use paperbacked foil, it worked wonders for me.

Kawahata - Dimetrodon - Origami Fantasy - (my other nemesis) Hint: again
foil worked great on this one, after about 10 failed attempts with KAMI
(kept ripping) and other papers.  I don't think I would try this without
foil or a thick/strong paper.

Kawahata - T-Rex - Origami Fantasy - Wasn't too difficult Hint: carefully
tilt the head and angles of the legs and tail to get it to stand up and use
a thick/strong paper cause the model comes out very large making it
difficult to stand up. Finished on the first try.

Lang - Murex Shell - Origami Sea Life - This model looks very difficult
(and I always avoided it for fear of not finishing) but with Foil it was
sinfully easy, the finished model is beautiful, its now one of my
favorites. Finished on the first try.

Maekawa - Demon - Viva Origami - No I didn't get ears but I see many
different layers from where they can be formed.  I was too scared I would
destroy the model to put on the ears. Finished on the first try.

I find that I spend a little extra time lately visualizing the things that
I plan to fold.  Also I read through the diagrams (and fold them in my
head, if that makes any sense) thoroughly before I start.  In the past I
would just sit down with a book and pick out the ones that I liked and
immediately try, ending in many failed attempts.

All of the models above were made from 9.75 inch tissue-backed foil (it
comes out even in millimeters). The tissues I used were all purchased from
Dick Blick and either of the Chiri or Unryu variety.  The foil is on the
thickish side but I find it easier to work with that the thin foil and the
model is MUCH sturdier than standard origami foil.

Hope this helps anyone trying these models.

CYA
Brett





Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:26:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: "NIGEL POTTLE, TEACHER LIBRARIAN, JAMES FOWLER SENIOR HIGH"@Owl.nstn.ca
Subject: Re: teaching

I hope this isn't too late for the person looking for teaching ideas. Last
year I spent 45 minutes in a grade six classroom teaching a few origami
folds. My greatest success was with making a box (there's an Alice Gray
one called a magazine box I think (because it uses magazine covers or paper)
but any simple box will do. Then we folded jumping frogs, which we proceeded
to attempt to jump into the boxes! The kids had a great time and it certainly
passed the time. Action figures are always great motivators. Lang's new
book (thanks Robert) has lots of origami action figures (is it called
Origami in Action?), but the flapping bird is also a wonderful motivator.

good luck
Nigel
npottle@cbe.ab.ca





Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:58:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: MSPARKS@pinkertons.com (MATTHEW SPARKS 05-025)
Subject: RE: Origami Sighting

Yes I know the trick, it does look really neat.
Unfortunately, like Origami, people in magic are real sticklers for
making sure the creator gets credit.
and this particular creator wants his credit in the form of cash.
You can purchase this trick at any good magic store
it is called amazingly enough
Folding Dollar Bill.
But as a magician, I would ask If you are not interested in magic. don't   go
get it. and just be amazed when you see it.
Magic really ceases to be fun when you see beyond the smoke and mirrors.

Matthew Makaala Sparks                          Desk (818) 380-8712
Senior Technical Support Specialist             Fax  (818) 380-8677
Pinkerton Security & Investigation Services
15910 Ventura Blvd.; Suite 900
Encino, CA  91436                               Ham Radio KE6GVI
  email = MSparks@Pinkertons.com
 ---------------------------------------------------------------------
 Say "Plugh"...                                 "XYZZY"

 ----------
From:  origami-l[SMTP:origami-l@nstn.ca]
Sent:  Wednesday, September 10, 1997 8:35 PM
To:  Multiple recipients of list
Subject:  Origami Sighting

I found the following while browsing a usenet newsgroup, alt.magic .

<<
Subject: folding dollar??
From: skajester@aol.com (Ska Jester)
Date: 5 Sep 1997 21:29:31 GMT

anyone know the trick where the dollar bill is placed on the hand and
folds itself up into eighths.. i would really love to know how that is
done.. thanks.. please reply email..
>>

I don't know that trick. Anyone here know it?

Kenneth Kawamura    kenny1414@aol.com





Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:06:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: MSPARKS@pinkertons.com (MATTHEW SPARKS 05-025)
Subject: RE: teaching

joyce owen said: I need to do a kindergarten class.

in a previous posting I wrote

I was at Michael's ( a craft store) and in the origami section I found a
     book(let) by V'ann Cornelius.

I'm sure you guys have talked about it already (it had a 96 pub date).   But it
     was just what I was looking for my daughter she is 5

Don't need Mommy for this - Origami
By V'Ann Cornelius
Publisher: Hot off the Press
ISBN 1-56231-330-4
13 easy projects for paper folding fun           ages 4-10

it has easy origami for the younger set,  paper cup, cootie catcher/   Fortune
     teller, etc....

Matthew Makaala Sparks                          Desk (818) 380-8712
Senior Technical Support Specialist             Fax  (818) 380-8677
Pinkerton Security & Investigation Services
15910 Ventura Blvd.; Suite 900
Encino, CA  91436                               Ham Radio KE6GVI
  email = MSparks@Pinkertons.com
 ---------------------------------------------------------------------
 Say "Plugh"...                                 "XYZZY"





Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:59:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: "NIGEL POTTLE, TEACHER LIBRARIAN, JAMES FOWLER SENIOR HIGH"@Owl.nstn.ca
Subject: Future Origami sighting

A couple of weeks ago I asked if anyone had info on folding diagrams for a
platypus. I appreciate the responses I got, but of course did not have access
to the
to the 96 edition of the OUSA convention booklet.

The reason for the request was that a film company here in Calgary was
doing a tv movie for Disney (I think), (Another sequel to Honey I Shrunk the
Kids) and the script called for an Origami Platypus.

The upshot of all this was that I was asked if I could help. After scanning
my collection of books, I decided that John Montroll's beaver might be a good
model to work from. It had a head and a flat tail. So I created my own
platypus. Although it begins with the base Montroll used for his beaver, it
is quite different, and actually does look a tiny bit like a platypus. The
head and tail are both flat, and I was able to do a colour change to create
a beak. The feet front and back do not match but at least there are four
feet! Only problem was that the body is somewhat pointy in the middle.
I sank the body deeper than Montroll did for the beaver and then in a fit
of creativity curled the top so it would looked more rounded.

It was fun, and my first attempt at creating a creature from scratch (well
I guess not from scratch since I had the master's work to follow.

Apparently they actually used the model's I made in filming. It will not
be a major part of the movie, but probably only a fleeting glance. And the
script called for "a crumpled mess" (oh how to insult an origami fanatic), so
maybe that will be taken literally.

In any case, if someday you are watching the Disney Channel with your childrem
and suddenly hear mention of an origami platypus, it may be mine.

Nigel Pottle
npottle@cbe.ab.ca





Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:05:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@sci.fi>
Subject: Re: Origins of the paper sizes.

On 11-Sep-97, Sebastian Marius Kirsch (skirsch@t-online.de) wrote:
>On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Jose Tomas Buitrago wrote:
>> Why the letter size is 8.5"x11" or the european papers has 210x297 cm?

>The major advantage of the proportion of 1:sqrt(2) is that you can divide
>the paper in half on the longer side and get two pieces of paper that have
>exactly the same proportions. Therefore, if you have one starting paper
>size, you can get all smaller sizes simply by dividing the paper, without
>altering the proportions.

>The starting size of A sized paper is A0, which has a surface of one
>square meter. And that is the only thing you need to know of it, because
>you can calculate it's actual dimensions with a few simple arithmetics:

>...

>So the dimensions of A0 paper is 841mm x 1189mm, and if you divide this
>sheet four times, you get to A4 paper which is 210mm x 297mm.

>There are two other series of paper format, the B- and the C-series. B
>sized paper is paper that is intended to be cut to A sized paper. B0 is
>1000mm x 1414mm, and B4 is 250mm x 353mm. C sizes are for folders,
>envelopes and the like. C0 is 917mm x 1297mm, and C4 is 229mm x 324mm.

Here's an extract from a page mentioned here a while ago
(http://www.ft.uni-erlangen.de/~mskuhn/iso-paper.html)

The width and height of a B series format is the geometric mean between
the corresponding A format and the next larger A format.  For instance,
B1 is the geometric mean between A1 and A0, that means the magnification
factor that scales A1 to B1 also scales B1 to A0.

Similarly, the formats of the C series are the geometric mean between the A
and B series formats with the same number.  For example, an A4 letter fits
nicely into a C4 envelope.  If you fold this letter once to A5 format, then
it will fit nicely into a C5 envelope.

>I believe that all the other paper sizes, like letter or legal, or the old
>German sizes like "Breit Kanzlei" or "Stab", were just arbitrary values
>that seemed to the paper manufacturers like a good idea at the time.

I remember Jeannine Mosely posting about how to get a (near?) perfect
pentagon from letter sized paper. Has anyone studied other 'standard'
paper sizes?

--
Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

They say I'm negative and indifferent, but I refuse to care.





Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:47:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: Volcano <volcano@arrakis.es>
Subject: Re: Origins of the paper sizes.

Sebastian Marius Kirsch wrote:

> On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Jose Tomas Buitrago wrote:
> > Why the letter size is 8.5"x11" or the european papers has 210x297
> cm?
>
> The starting size of A sized paper is A0, which has a surface of one
> square meter. And that is the only thing you need to know of it,
> because
> you can calculate it's actual dimensions with a few simple
> arithmetics:
>
>

   I also add the A00, wich is double the size of A0.

Abraham Limpo            Volcano
volcano@arrakis.es        Barcelona(Spain)





Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 23:05:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: Cathy Palmer-Lister <cathypl@generation.net>
Subject: Re: teaching

At 08:32 PM 1997-09-10 -0300, you wrote:

 I teach special ed. delinquent boys

God bless you........

.. I think the reason
>might be because I am a rather precise folder, and may be over-instructing
>them.  On the other hand, could it be that this art requires following
>directions, and that is something these boys dislike?  Any thoughts?

I find troubled children take pleasure in an art form that has structure.
Often the kids in my class who do best at Origami are the kids who have
major problems when faced with a blank sheet of paper to fill with writing
or paint.  They don't know where or how to start, they need direction, and
they get confused when directions are vague, like, "Well, Joey, what would
you like to paint?" or'"How do you feel about such & such?" Even when being
rebelious, they need to know what exactly is expected of them.  They quickly
realize that when they follow the directions exactly, they will end up with
something that is beautiful even if they have no artistic ability whatsoever.
        Try action models, toys, etc.

                                                                Cathy





Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 23:09:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: Cathy Palmer-Lister <cathypl@generation.net>
Subject: Re: Cathy's visit to Daventry

At 08:12 AM 1997-09-11 -0300, you wrote:

>
>If you have visited London before, you may want to use Daventry as a base
>to see the surrounding area. Daventry is not in itself interesting or
>historical but it is a good base for Oxford, Cambridge and Stratford on
>Avon and is also close to the now famous Althorp House.

That's a thought!  I have always wanted to visit the universities.  What is
the Althorp House?

>
>If you are there the last Sunday of March, there should be an origami
>mini-meeting in Birmingham.

I think that's the actual weekend of the convention, so I would in fact be
in Daventree that day.
>
>Please let me know if you need any information about the area.
>
>Stephen Blackman

Thanks, Steven!  I rarely get to travel, so this is very exciting for me.  I
am really looking forward to this trip, it would be great if I can get to
meet some folders, too.  Maybe I should wear an apple on my convention
badge?  Has anybody foded a Liberator?  I've been thinking about that for
awhile, but I'm no designer, and I'm still stuck on the Enterprise.  Sigh.

    Cathy





Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 23:15:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mike & Janet Hamilton <Mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: teaching

Dennis Brannon wrote:
> Any boy folding
> a fortune teller risked ridicule.  Try airplane, dinosaur, and dragon models.

The noisemaker or "popper" made out of a sheet of newspaper was popular
with the boys in a group a taught.

Janet Hamilton

--
mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/





Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 00:18:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: NO: esheep.exe

I am posting this to the origami-L for two reasons:
(1)intellectual property rights and ethics have been discussed
here often, and (2) I regard the origami-L as my "internet
community", where it it natural to discuss what is important
to me.

Some time ago I was emailed a copy of a wonderfully delightful
screensaver program (actually more than a screen saver) called
esheep.exe. Both the sender and I recognized that this was
extremely ingenious and professional software and animation
art - it is one of the best behaved Windows programs I've ever
seen - and was unlikely to be freeware.

The sender then managed to locate the source, verifying that
it is not freeware, and both of us were able to purchase a
legal copy of the program, feeling that the artistry of this
program and the enjoyment we get from it was well worth the
effort and the minor cost of going legitimate.

In the last week, the passing about for "free" of this program
on the Internet has exploded; as of now one third of the PC
users I am in regular contact with have been emailed a copy of
esheep.exe, and sent it on to other friends, etc.

So for everyone's information (let your conscience be your
guide):

esheep.exe is not freeware.

It is one of a family of animation based products by
Village Center, Inc., a Japanese company. The little sheep is
named POE, and was the star of a Japanese animated Fuji TV
series. Other products include a card game collection, graphics
collections (for making stickers, etc.), and a DayTimer calendar
address book program.

The programs have Japanese menus, etc., but are available for
USA purchase "as is" - at a discount in fact - by
mail/FAX order only. (The Daytimer program and other screen
savers, one with Moose, are not currently listed; I've
written asking about them.)

The details of the programs and ordering
information are at the following URL:

http://www.villagecenter.co.jp/english/poe.html

The program being passed around is the STRAY SHEEP Screen Mate
for Windows 3.1/95, and is 2560 Yen plus shipping, and worth
it. You can have a genuine legitimate copy in about a week.

Valerie_Vann@compuserve.com





Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 00:28:34 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mr & Mrs Owen <djowen@pcl.net>
Subject: Re: teaching

Thank you.  I need that book!
joyce owen
mother of the folder

----------
> From: MATTHEW SPARKS 05-025 <MSPARKS@pinkertons.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject: RE: teaching
> Date: Thursday, September 11, 1997 4:09 PM
>
>
>
>
> joyce owen said: I need to do a kindergarten class.
>
> in a previous posting I wrote
>
> I was at Michael's ( a craft store) and in the origami section I found a
 book(let) by V'ann Cornelius.
>
> I'm sure you guys have talked about it already (it had a 96 pub date).
But it was just what I was looking for my daughter she is 5
>
> Don't need Mommy for this - Origami
> By V'Ann Cornelius
> Publisher: Hot off the Press
> ISBN 1-56231-330-4
> 13 easy projects for paper folding fun           ages 4-10
>
> it has easy origami for the younger set,  paper cup, cootie catcher/
Fortune teller, etc....
>
> Matthew Makaala Sparks                          Desk (818) 380-8712
> Senior Technical Support Specialist             Fax  (818) 380-8677
> Pinkerton Security & Investigation Services
> 15910 Ventura Blvd.; Suite 900
> Encino, CA  91436                               Ham Radio KE6GVI
>   email = MSparks@Pinkertons.com
>  ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Say "Plugh"...                                 "XYZZY"





Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 00:33:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mr & Mrs Owen <djowen@pcl.net>
Subject: Re: teaching

I love the way you think.
joyce owen
mother of the folder

----------
> From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject: RE: teaching
> Date: Thursday, September 11, 1997 11:13 AM
>
> <<Any boy folding
> a fortune teller risked ridicule>>
>
> In my school in California, these were decorated inside with
> spots with legs ("cooties"=lice), with one plain face, and were
> known as "cootie catchers". So *of course*, it was the little
> boys who terrified the little girls with the things (pretending
> to catch cooties), and they were definitely a "boy thing".
>
> So just change the name. Then there's always waterbombs...
>
> --valerie





Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 00:38:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mr & Mrs Owen <djowen@pcl.net>
Subject: Re: Origami in Birmingham (UK)

I had to read this twice.  For a split second I thought it was about
Birmingham Alabama (US)
It was a sweet thought while it lasted.
joyce owen
mother of the folder

----------
> From: RA Kennedy <kennedra@isdugp.bham.ac.uk>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject: Origami in Birmingham (UK)
> Date: Thursday, September 11, 1997 12:39 PM
>
> >
> > If you are there the last Sunday of March, there should be an origami
> > mini-meeting in Birmingham.
>
> Yes, we meet on the last Sunday of every month (December may be an
> exception). I organise the meetings. If you would like more information,
> please email me privately (I'm guessing, but Birmingham, UK is probably
> not immediately accessible to most members of origami-l!).
>
> Regards
>
> Richard K
> (R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 00:46:41 -0300 (ADT)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Chicago Origami Sources?

Hi all! -

        I'll be in Chicago for a few days in the beginning of October for a
conference, and I was curious as to where people might recommend I go for
interesting paper and book selections.  There is, however, a caveat:  I
will be staying in the vicinity of the Ramada Congress hotel and the Field
Museum, and I won't have a source of transportation other than my feet and
little time for other travel while I'm there -- is there anything within
walking distance of that spot I should check out?

        Thanks to everyone in advance...

                _,_
           ____/_\,)                    ..  _
--____-===(  _\/                         \\/ \-----_---__
           /\  '                        ^__/>/\____\--------
__________/__\_ ____________________________.//__.//_________

Jerry D. Harris                       (214) 768-2750
Dept. of Geological Sciences          FAX:  768-2701
Southern Methodist University
Box 750395                            jdharris@post.smu.edu
Dallas  TX  75275-0395                (Compuserve:  102354,2222)

"Science _does_ have all the answers -- we just don't have all
the science."
                        -- James Morrow





Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 00:56:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: morpha <morpha@columbia-pacific.interrain.org>
Subject: Origami book find

While browsing in Sandpiper Books in Long Beach, Washington today, I
came across a copy of "The Art of Origami" by Randlett.  The price is
$9.50 and it appears to be in very good shape.  I already have a copy of
this fine publication, so I thought I'd get the word out.

Anyone interested in this book can contact the bookstore at

sandpiper@willapabay.org





Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 16:11:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@spacestar.net>
Subject: Re:English Fuse Quilt book

Japan Publications was indeed planning to release an English edition of
the Fuse quilt book this fall. I had been on a back-order list for this
version at the Origami Source of OUSA, but about two weeks ago, Phyliss
Meth sent me an e-mail to say that plans for the English edition had been
abandoned.

Although I find Fuse's books easy enough to figure out, it would have
been nice to be able to understand all the notes for once.

Anyway I have tennis elbow (lateral epicondilitis) and I'm not supposed
to fold (or cook, play the recorder or do desktop publishing) for a
while. I don't think origami quilts are the first folding I will do after
I've recovered.

Has anyone else had tennis elbow and lived to fold again?

--Jane





Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 16:22:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kristine Tomlinson <ktomlinson@platinum.com>
Subject: Kirigami Dream-Catcher Directions (Long)

Hi,

Earlier I wrote about a "fishing boat" kirigami project that might be adapted
to a Native American dream-catcher.  On closer inspection, however, it
looks like there are 4-8 "nets" and not one net like a typical honeycomb.
The good news is that the fishing boat idea inspired me to come up with
a simple kirigami (yes, folding *and* cutting) model of a dream-catcher.
Directions follow as does info on the fishing boat in case anyone is
interested.   I used a Post-It Note (3:5 ratio) for my test model; you'll want
to use larger, stronger paper (and smaller scissors than I have!).  This
model has an 8-image web. This weekend I will look for dream-catchers
to see what the geometry really is. You may need to vary the folds and
cuts for authenticity.

1. Place the rectangle so the short sides are at the top and bottom (like a
door).
2. Valley fold and unfold the two top corners to their opposite sides.
This creates a square X on the top part of the rectangle.
3. Mountain fold the square-X in half.  The crease is horizontal to the
short sides and goes through the center of the X. Unfold.  You should
have an X with a horizontal line through it.
4. Place a compass point at the center of the X and draw the largest
circle you can within the X.  This will become your dream-catcher.
5. Book fold the rectangle keeping the circle lines on the outside of the
paper.
6. Draw as many feathers (or whatever) you want on the lower half of
the folded rectangle.  If you want to center a feather, draw half a feather
on the crease.  It becomes a whole feather when you open the fold up at
the end; for example if you want five feathers, draw 2 and a half.
Unfold.
7. Make a preliminary fold using the 3 creases you created at the top of
the rectangle.  You will have 6 equal-sized triangles and two long sides.
Draw web cross strands, beads, and etc. on the top two triangles. You
will be cutting out the space in between these lines.  Keep within the
folds and the edges of the circle, mimicing the shape of the circle and the
sides of the triangles.  Curve the web cross strands in the reverse
direction from the circle edge for maximum effect.
8. Cut out the space in between the web, cutting through all layers at
once.
9. Cut the tip off the preliminary fold in a crescent.  This will become the
hole in the center of the dream catcher.
10. Open up the preliminary fold (you should have a web now with eight
"spokes", some cross pieces, and a hole in the middle). Book fold it
again.
11. Cut out the feathers on the lower half of the rectangle and cut
around the outside of the circle.  Cut through both layers of the book fold.
12.  Open up.  You should have a circular dream catcher with feathers.

For more on the kirigami fishing boat that gave me this idea see:

1. Kunio Ekiguchi and Ruth McCreery's "Japanese Crafts and Customs",
Tokyo: Kodansha International, 1987, pp. 54-56.  Picture and directions.
2. Akira Yoshizawa "Sosaku Origami (Creative Origami), ?:NHK, 1984,
p.32.  Picture only.

Kristine Tomlinson
ktomlinson@platinum.com





Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 16:51:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kristine Tomlinson <ktomlinson@platinum.com>
Subject: (OT) Mexican Paper Dolls was Request: Dream-catcher

Many thanks to Kenneth Kawamura for his reference to "Traditional
Papermaking and Paper Cult Figures of Mexico".  That is also an area I
have been researching, but it takes a backseat to Asian ceremonial
folding at the moment.  One can only do so much :-).  I have two other
paper figures.

Thanks again,

Kristine Tomlinson
ktomlinson@platinum.com
Waltham, MA, USA





Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 17:05:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: Michael LaFosse <michael@origamido.com>
Subject: Re: Chris Palmer Hira-Ori Videotape

Hi folks!

Just a note to tell you that a new origami instructional videotape is
available.
The longish title is "Paper Folding Techniques of Chris K. Palmer -
HIRA-ORI: Origami Boxes, Flowers & Tessellation".

Chris Palmer does the demonstration/instruction and commentary himself.
The demos are very clear and the camera angle is same-side, overhead,
and with an occasional zoom-in shot.  The list of lessons are:
BOXES-Square Twist Masu, Octagon Twist Masu, and Octagon Tato Box;
FLOWERS-pinwheel Tato to Pinwheel Delux, Progression Flower,
chrysanthemum Tato, and Five-petal FLOWER TOWER; SINGLE TWISTS-Octagon
Twist (open back 1 & 2); TESSELLATION- Columns (multiple twist octagons
in a single sheet).  There is also a wonderful video gallery of Chris'
masterpieces.

This tape is rated intermediate to advanced, is approximately two hours
of lessons, and costs $24.95 US plus $3.00 shipping (in the US).  It is
VHS and only in the format that the United States televisions play.
Produced by and available from:

Alexander Blace & Co.
170 Margin Street
Haverhill  MA   01832
richard@origamido.com

I have always admired Chris' work, and it was a great pleasure to have
him stay with us while producing this tape.

If you have any questions about this new title you can e-mail me.  I am
off to the BOS convention, from September 17 - the 23rd, so I will be
unable to reply on those dates.

Enjoy!

Michael G. LaFosse
michael@origamido.com





Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 19:07:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@fantasyfarm.com>
Subject: esheep

Hi--

Yes, I've noticed that the little guy is all over the net.  What's
interesting is that no one even stops to -think- that it might be pirated
software.  Your note to origami-l was -very- nicely done... much nicer
than the one I did to sheep-l [attached].  Mine didn't have any effect: I
poked around a bit and found that folk were still distributing Poe on
their web pages, just as they always had.

I have a copy of the English-version.  Funny... [that someone went to the
trouble to patch the binary on a pirated program...sigh]

It is like trying to push back the tide with a bucket...

  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--

From:     Self <BERNIE>
To: Sheep-l
Subject: Source of electronic screen-sheep found!!!
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 13:50:58 -0400

Well, much continued looking and digging has, at last, uncovered the
source of the little "esheep" program that has spread so far and wide.
Bad news, though... distributing it is *not* kosher:

The "STRAY SHEEP" software is a series of retail software packages
published by Village Center, Inc. and it is NOT shareware or freeware
distributed on-line. The product is, based on the license agreement with
Fuji TV , allowed to be sold only as a retail packaged product through the
distribution channel in Japan.

Check out http://www.villagecenter.co.jp/english/poe.html   I note that
one of their products is an actual -screen-saver-, rather than the screen
mate we all know and love.

  /Bernie\





Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 20:57:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: DLister891@aol.com
Subject: Origins of Paper Sizes.

I wonder if I may add to what has already been written about paper sizes.

The subject was last discussed in Origami-L in January of this year. Karen
Reeds alerted subscribers to the Web site already mentioned by Jorma Okansen
and which I can strongly recommend at:

http://www.ft.uni-erlangen.de/~mskuhn/iso-paper.html

This site appears to be in Germany, and indeed, Germany was one of the first
countries to adopt the international sizes, before the 1939 - 1945 War. The
matter was made the subject of a German DIN Standard. However, I understand
that the idea for the standards originated much earlier, in the 19th Century.

Today, the International Paper Sizes are the subject of an International
Standard; ISO 216, issued by the International Standards Organisation, the
terms of which are incorporated in the standards of the various separate
national standards authorities.

The scope of the standard paper sizes is quite extensive and more complicated
than would appear to a casual observer. There are, in fact, two broad kinds
of sizes. one of them is the finished size, such as that of A4 at 210 x 297
mm, with which most of us are familiar. In addition, however, there are sizes
for UNCUT papers which are to be trimmed to the finished sizes. The B series
is not intended for this purpose. It is merely a series of paper sizes
intermediate between the A sizes.

Another point to be made is that the paper sizes are rounded off to the
neares millimetre, so that they are not precisely in the ration of one to the
square root of two. This means that commercial paper is not in exact ratio
and if you want better, you must cut your own. Neverltheless, commercial
paper is satisfactory for most purposes and the theory of folding A4 paper is
beginning to build up nicely. I am collecting examples of A4 folds, but I do
not think that the geometry of A4 folding has yet been fully worked out. it
makes a nice change from working with square paper.

Speaking of the B series, they are rarely seen, which is a pity, because I
think they would be very useful, especially B4 (250 x 353), B5 (176 x 250)
and B6 (125 x 176). However, in a booklet on the subject issued by the
British Standards Instiution, the following paragraph appears:

"Details of the ISO supplementary (B) series of trimmed sizes are given in an
appendix, as it is felt that these should not come into general use in the
United Kingdom. The ISO Recommendation states that the sizes of the ISO-B
series are intended for use only in exceptional circumstances, when sizes are
needed intermediate between and two adjacent sizes of the A series."

A pity, I think.

Abraham Limpo writes that going larger from A0, paper which is twice the size
of A0 is desgnated A00. However, I have come acroses another system which has
paper twice A0 as "2A0" and paper twice 2A0 as "4A0". Perhaps standardisation
is not quite complete!

The international sizes were not generally adopted in Britain until the 1960s
and 1970s. Before then the usual size we used in my legal office for business
letters was "quarto" (10 inches x 8 inches). For larger sizes, we used
"foolscap" (13 in. x 8 in). Twice the size of  foolscap was "brief " (13 in.
x 16 in), so-called, not because it was brief in size, but because we as
solicitors used it for writing briefs to barristers with instructions for
court cases. They are now written on A4.  We also used "Octavo" (5in x 8 in)
for short letters but gaining in popularity for this purpose was "sixmo".
This was a  further curious size, half the size of foolscap (8 in x 6.5 in)

"Foolscap" is reputed to have been so called because it was the right size of
paper for folding into a fool's or dunce's cap.

British sizes of papers  were different from those used in North America and
which remain in general use there. American Quarto was and is  8.5 in x 11
in, what is commonly called "letter size", because it is commonly used for
business letters. American Foolscap is 8.5 in x 13in, which I believe is now
usually called "legal". All this caused endless complications in my office
when photocopiers came in and when we had to copy from American to British
paper or vice versa.. It still happens, of course, between American Quarto
and A4 which are roughty, but only roughly the same size.

No doubt other countries had their own peculiar sizes. In other words Chaos
ruled on an international scale until the International paper sizes became
widely used.

I remember converting my office to international sizes around 1970. It caused
difficulties at first, especially when we had to switch back to make
photocopies of   existing documents in the old sizes. But the changeover
became quite rapid and it was surprising how quickly the old sizes were left
behind. Today, the old sizes are rarely seen. except in truly historical
papers. Now nearly everything is on A4 and how monotonous the world has
become!

All these sizes apply mainly to office papers. There are still peculiarly
sized papers around for other uses, such as for private letters. Books refuse
to conform, but this has always been so. There have been many sizes of papers
for books and there still are, even if, in theory, the international sizes
are intended to apply to books as well.

I wonder how long North America will hold out with their traditional office
paper sizes. Obviously the old system system is entrenched as a standard over
a very large area and it will be difficult to shift it. There is not the same
call for standardisation as there was in Europe, where the separate countries
had their own irreconcilable systems. The fact remains, however, that in
North America paper sizes are out of step with the rest of the world. and is
a source of irritating adjustments which have to be made.

Finally, may I remind subscribers to Origami-L of my own contribution dated
9th, January 1997, headed "As Long as the Emperor's Foot" ? In it I pointed
out that careful archaeological research has established the length of the
ancient Roman foot (as near as it can be calculated) at 296.9 millimetres.
 And that, (according to the kind of accuacy of which the ancient Romans were
capable), is exactly the length of a sheet of A4 paper (297 millimetres). Or
did the devisers of the International Paper Standards really start from the
fundamental premise that A4 should be one Roman Foot in length?

David Lister.

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.com





Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 21:30:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Re: article about polygons2

Please do submit it to the Origami-L.  I would be very interested in reading
your article about polygons...Dorigami





Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:18:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: ladyada@tiac.net (joyce saler)
Subject: Re: Kirigami Dream-Catcher Directions (Long)

Kristine
I have archived this message because it contains so much information which
is true of your messages, Dennis's, David Lister's, and Sakoda's.

I have xeroxed the turtle box for you and folded it and will bring it to
our next meeting. The turtle box is OK but not a WOW.

Joyce





Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:33:41 -0300 (ADT)
From: ROCKYGROD@aol.com
Subject: Re: Crane ring

Thanks so much for the info
               Patty





Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 00:44:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: PErick3491@aol.com
Subject: Quilts

I'm ordering the quilt book tonight.  Pat





Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 01:14:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: morpha <morpha@columbia-pacific.interrain.org>
Subject: Quilts

This discussion of origami quilts intrigues me.  Does anyone have photos
of origami quilts on their web page?  If not, can anyone describe what
one looks like?





Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 01:52:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: morpha <morpha@columbia-pacific.interrain.org>
Subject: Re: origami book find

Thanks to everyone who wrote to Sandpiper Books about "The Art of
Origami".  I believe that the book has been purchased by one of the
members of origami-l and is no longer available.  The store has no other
origami books in stock at this time.

Morpha





Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 02:44:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Sergei Y. Afonkin" <sergei@origami.nit.spb.su>
Subject: Marisa, where are you?

Try to find Marisa Filion from Canada. May be have wrong address.
In any way received the following:

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
pstmmf@qc.sympatico.ca  (unrecoverable error)

May be she has new? Help!

Your Sergei Afonkin, the chairman of St.Petersburg Origami Center
                                  ,    ,
sergei@origami.nit.spb.su        ("\''/").___..--''"`-._
                                 `9_ 9  )   `-.  (     ).`-.__.`)
                                 (_Y_.)'  ._   )  `._ `. ``-..-'





Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 02:54:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: Michel Bartolone <bartolon@execpc.com>
Subject: Another home for origami on the net

I am happy to announce that the vote to form rec.arts.origami has passed!
It may take several weeks to get the control message posted, and for servers
to add this newsgroup. The process will be enhanced by people requesting that
their ISP carries the newsgroup once the control message has been issued.
I will make sure that I will notify the list again when the control message
has been sent.

>                                RESULT
>           unmoderated group rec.arts.origami passes 140:14
>
>There were 140 YES votes and 14 NO votes, for a total of 154 valid
>votes.  There were 2 abstains and 1 invalid ballot.
>
>

I'm looking forward to people contributing to the newsgroup as soon as
it does get "new grouped".

Note: I do not want this to be an "us vs. them" situation. All members of
this list are welcome and encouraged to participate, and I will post a
periodic message to the group explaining how to join the mailing list.
I hope this will help both groups grow and flourish!

Welcome to the new fold!

Michel Bartolone
founder of rec.arts.bonsai
founder of rec.arts.origami





Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 04:10:02 -0300 (ADT)
From: Clarence Deacons <deke@northnet.org>
Subject:

 I'd read mention of the 'Kawasaki rose' and was intrigued w/ the responses it
list and so went to ftp.rug.nl/origami/models/kawarose <--- not sure about the
last dir and downloaded
rose1.ps thru rose5.ps assuming they were instructions for an origami
model...they may well be ...I'm
incapable w/ my platform to read these files... and was wondering if someone
on this list could convert
them to either gif or jpeg format...I could attach them to your email address
if you don't care to d/l
them from the site... I'd appreciate any help as I've run the gamut (I've
short legs 8)) on what to do
to resolve these files into something 'I' can view....

   aTdHvAaNnKcSe

     Clarence Deacons
     Deke@northnet.org
