




Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 17:43:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sarah Walter <cwalter1@san.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Origami Paper

Hello to all,

I'm not familiar with Kim's Crane but I have ordered from Fascinating
Folds.  You can purchase a sample book from them of their artisan (large
sheet) papers.  Their origami papers are lovely.  I've had no problem
whatsoever in my orders from them.  They just moved from (I believe)
Torrance Ca to Phoenix AZ so orders may be a bit delayed while they
open/stock/etc. their new retail store.  I just ordered from their new
location (their 800 # is the same) and should receive it early next week.

Hope this helps.
Sally Walter





Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 17:44:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: ADMIN:

Maarten,

At 04.14 3/9/1997 -0300, you wrote:

>Maybe the listserver is not only postponing people randomly, but also
>unpostponing. And no one has seen that before ... or complained about it.

WOW !!!! Am I a prizewinner ?? <:-D

I'm not complaining... just curious to know how this happened. I would have
retrieved the lost messages anyway ! ;)

Roberto





Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 17:51:31 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jamii Corley <jamii@swcp.com>
Subject: Re: Origami Paper

 I've ordered from Fascinating Folds on several occasions and found them to
be great! They'll send you a catalog if you order from them. I don't know
about Kim's Crane, but I think other folks on this list have mentioned them,
and I think Kim of Kim's Crane is on this list.
             Jamii Corley

On Wed, 3 Sep 1997, Chris Miller wrote:

>  Hello all,
>
> I am getting kinda short on my paper supply and have been looking at online
> sources for getting more.  I've looked at a few, but I was hoping that I
> could get some help from you guys. :)
> First of all, are Kim's Crane and Fascinating Folds reputable sources?  Not
> to offend the parties, but if I sent an order in would i be sure to get what
> I ordered?
> And, could anyone direct me to where I could get some cataogues for paper..
> if there are any snailmail catalogues for paper besides OUSA. :)  Thanks in
> advance..
>
>  - c
>
> ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
> ~* C Miller    :) ~*
> ~*  chris@ori.net ~*
> ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
>
>

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                     Jamii Corley   --- jamii@swcp.com





Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 18:14:43 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jane Rosemarin <jfrmpls@spacestar.net>
Subject: Re: Origami Paper

I, too, prefer some reassurance before I try a new mail-order source.

I, as well as several other members of Origami Minnesota, have ordered
from Kim's Crane. They seem to be totally reliable. Their service is
remarkably fast, and their prices are reasonable. We all like to order
from them.

Other Origami Minnesota members have ordered from Fascinating Folds and
been completely satisfied. FF also has a hard-copy catalogue you could
request.

The lowest paper (and Japanese book) prices I have seen are at Kinokuniya
Bookstore. They have several stores in the US, but I have only shopped at
the one in New York. They take phone orders, but you have to know exactly
what you want, preferably with a manufacturer's product number for the
item. Their phone is 1-212-765-7766.

For all that, OUSA has the best book selection I've seen, some papers no
one else seems to have, and high-quality basic kame.

Jane





Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 19:05:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Origami Paper

Leslie wrote, replying to Chris' query about paper...
+Chris-- as far as on-line services for paper, I have used Kim's Crane
+several times & have been very pleased with the service & materials.
+Their website has nice color images of much of their paper selection. I
+have ordered by phone & they ship by Priority Mail. I have not used
+Fascinating Folds yet as the color images on their website are partly
+under construction but they look good so far.  For paper catalogues, I
+have used OUSA's but it does not have any color photos, only text info.
+Happy hunting!!

I've already replied to Chris privately, but since there may be others
interested...  (hi you lurkers, you!).  There are several web pages
which list sources for papers by city, find them starting from Joseph
Wu's page.  Joseph also has some pointers to paper stores too.

I'm a very happy customer of Fascinating Folds, and I would expect that
Kim's Crane would be on par as well.  Unlike Leslie, I have no trouble
seeing the graphics on FF's page (nor do I have any trouble with Kim's
Crane's graphics for that matter).  Sadly, the OUSA catalog has no
graphics and it can be hard to tell what you are getting from the
descriptions they provide.

I should also mention that I've ordered from Shizu and been happy with
them too.  They don't have a large selection, but some of their stuff
seems to be unique (though pricey too).  You can find them from
Joseph's page as well.

One often overlooked source of good paper is Art Stores, esp. those
connected with Colleges and Universities.  If you happen to be in the
Pittsburgh area, the CMU art store has quite a nice selection at
reasonable rates, including commercial origami paper, but also a _lot_
of nice specialty/artisan papers.

Office supply stores sometimes carry interesting papers, though often
in the annoying 8.5x11 or A-series sizes (depending on your country).

There are handmade paper stores that have web presences, and some that
don't.  Fascinating folds has a very nice printed catalog.  I don't
know if Kim's Crane does, though I took a quick visit to their site and
didn't stumble across anything.

Printed catalogs are nice.  For commercial origami papers, a printed
picture is OK if you are already familiar with the products.  So even
if you have never held/folded, oh, say, harmony paper, but you are
familiar with kami, you have a pretty good idea what the paper will be
like.  For artisan papers, you really want to see and feel the paper in
person.  If you can't make it to a store, the next best thing is a
sample book.  Sample books are wonderful, but you have to remember that
you are seeing (and feeling/creasing) only part of a sheet, and it can
be hard to get an idea of how a large square will look and fold.  For
papers with embedded items, you might not get a full piece of feather,
or silk, or whatever, and those kinds of items can crack or tear the
paper when folded.  It is even harder to get a good feel for
wetfolding, though it should be possible to tell if the paper will even
absorb water or not. ;-)

Plus then there are wrapping papers from gift stores, found papers,
re-used magazines, the possibilities are endless.

-D'gou
(Submitted on 9/3/97 at 1809 Eastern US time)





Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 19:12:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Origami Paper

Jane wrote:
+The lowest paper (and Japanese book) prices I have seen are at Kinokuniya
+Bookstore. They have several stores in the US, but I have only shopped at
+the one in New York. They take phone orders, but you have to know exactly
+what you want, preferably with a manufacturer's product number for the
+item. Their phone is 1-212-765-7766.

Right, how could I have forgotten them!

+For all that, OUSA has the best book selection I've seen, some papers no
+one else seems to have, and high-quality basic kame.

Agreed, OUSA has an amazing selection and often has a nice stock of
books that have gone out print but haven't been sold out of stock,
yet.

Also, I should be remiss for not mentioning the Sasuga Japanese store.
They have a very nice web site (see Joseph's page) and I've found books
there that no one else has (or has gotten as quickly), as well as the NOA
magazine (and ORU magazine, now sadly defunct).

-D'gou
(submitted on 9/3/97 at 1808 Eastern US time)





Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 19:26:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: jeffry kerwood <jkjeff@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Extra steps...

Nick said:
.. Time is precious for most of us. There's always the satisfaction
and skill involved in puzzling out (for example) Elias' minimal
diagrams!

==========
Ya know Nick, its true - puzzling out a move CAN be fun. But for myself
(and others I think) who find time to fold a really precious commodity I
would opt for clear diagrams.

Best to ya, Jeff Kerwood (JKJEFF@HOTMAIL.COM)

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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 19:51:12 -0300 (ADT)
From: jeffry kerwood <jkjeff@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: FUSE QUESTIONS (repost)

>On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, jeffry kerwood wrote:
1) After making the model on page 6 of the Fuse spiral book 2 (at least
I think it is 2, ISBN 4-480-87262-0) the model was "spoingy" (wouldn't
lay flat). Any tips on how to make it stay flat.

>Sebastian  replyed:
I don't know this model, but perhaps you should try to frame it?

=====================================

Sebastian, thanks for your thought. I should have been more clear about
what this model is. This is a 3-D model. If you lay it on it's back and
look down on it you will see "vertical walls" spiraling towards the
center.  I don't think this can be framed (or can it ???). Thanks for
offering your thought. (%:{)> (thats a hat, furrowed brow, eyes,
mustach,smile and pointy beard (sorry sometimes I just get silly)).

Bye, Jeff (JKJEFF@HOTMAIL.COM)

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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 20:33:02 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Freehold. N.J.Mini- Convention.

Hi, origami-L ists who live near enough,   Don't forget our mini con on Sat.,
Sept. 20, l997, at Monmouth County Hdqt. library in Manalapan, N. J., off of
Rte 9.  A good time will be had by all...this is a promise.  10 to 5 o'clock.
 Bring paper, models, and we will be happy to have you teach if you are
interested in doing so.  Call me if you need directions....732-431-3050.
Dorigami





Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 22:15:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: Clarence Deacons <deke@northnet.org>
Subject: RE: PINE

On 03-Sep-97, ID 601198 - Leslie Mitchell spake thus:
I6-LM >ANYONE OUT THERE KNOW OF AN ORIGAMI-RELATED ORGANIZATION THAT GOES BY
THE
I6-LM >ACRONYM "PINE"?? I HAVE HEARD OF THIS THROUGH AN OLD COPY OF "THE
PAPER" FROM
I6-LM >OUSA. IS THERE A WEBSITE OUT THERE AS WELL?

I6-LM >THANKS FOLKS-- LESLIE MITCHELL

The only PINE I know of is "Pine is not Elm" ....a mail reader on unix
systems...???

--
 Isn't it ironic that
   the most appealing attribute a woman has
           is displayed at its best
                      as she's leaving you?

     Clarence Deacons
     Deke@northnet.org





Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 22:17:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: jeffry kerwood <jkjeff@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: FUSE QUESTIONS

Topic: PAPER FOR FUSE SPIRALS
============================
 KUGA  Takako SAID: I used paper of which calendar is made. You can fold
the paper easily and the completed spirals is strong and is not unfixed.
I made one for my kitty whoes name is 'raiko'(that means thunder kid in
Japanese) . But She did not destroy for about a month.  I used paper of
which calendar is made. You can fold the paper easily and the completed
spirals is strong and is not unfixed. I made  one for my kitty whoes
name is 'raiko'(that means thunder kid in Japanese) . But She did not
destroy for about a month.
==============================
KUGA  Takako, thank you for your kind reply. By "calendar paper" you
mean the glossy or shiny paper that commercial calendars are made from -
yes? The paper you are using is unprinted - yes?  Where do you get the
paper. Since you live in Japan perhaps I can't get it from the same
place you do. Anybody know of a US source for this specific paper?

Thank you, Jeff Kerwood (JKJEFF@HOTMAIL.COM)

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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 22:17:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: Clarence Deacons <deke@northnet.org>
Subject: Re: Wanted:  Vase

On 03-Sep-97, Perry Bailey spake thus:

PB >***************************************
PB >* Hey, no matter where you go, there  *
PB >* you are.  B. Bonzai :?)'            *
PB >***************************************

Eeyore said it before the Buckaroo...8)

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 Isn't it ironic that
   the most appealing attribute a woman has
           is displayed at its best
                      as she's leaving you?

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     Deke@northnet.org





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 00:09:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Treasure Ship Diagrams

     I have written about the treasure boat (takarabune, also known as
tenmasen) as being folded from a double boat, which turns into an omiya
(palace), which then uses the pullout procedure of the Chinese junk to fold
two decks at opposite ends.  I have just come across the diagrams for
folding it in Nippon Origami Association (NOA)'s magazine Origami, Issue
168. August, 1989, Pages 14-15.
    ( In the same edition there are pictures of my origami creations that I
sent them at the time.  It is the third of a series that began with Issues
166 and 167.)
     NOA maintains a file of back issues and may possibly still have copies
of them, for those who are interested in buying a copy.  NOA maintains a
professionally printed magazine with diagrams drawn by professionals, which
show the three dimensional quality of the folded paper and are relatively
easy to follow. The content tends to be on the simple rather than complex
side.   Write to
Nippon Origami Association, 1-996 Domir Gobancho 12 Gobancho   Chiyokaku,
Tokyo 102 JAPAN.
James M. Sakoda, origami dollar bill foldings in pdf form:
http://idt.net/~kittyv





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 01:56:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: kuga@ims.ac.jp (KUGA Takako)
Subject: FUSE QUESTIONS(again)

kerwood>KUGA  Takako, thank you for your kind reply. By "calendar paper" you
kerwood>mean the glossy or shiny paper that commercial calendars are made
from -
kerwood>yes?
Yes. I mean the paper that commercial calendars and posters are made from.

 The paper you are using is unprinted - yes?

No.  I simply used 'used' calender paper.  The reverse side of the calender
paper is white, isn't it?

I think the calnder paper is so thick that you can't see thorough the
pattern of the face.
*******************************************
         KUGA  Takako

Institute for Molecular Science, Okazaki  444 Japan
tel: +81 -564-55-7453 Fax: +81 -564-54-2254
e-mail:kuga@ims.ac.jp





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 02:22:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: gjsmyth <gjsmyth@aelmg.adelaide.edu.au>
Subject: Re: ADMIN:

> Maybe the listserver is not only postponing people randomly, but also
> unpostponing. And no one has seen that before ... or complained about it.

This has happened to me twice (ie postponed and unpostponed).
The first time I didn't recieve any messages for about 3-4months; the
second time I was off for only about 3 weeks.
But now I read you loud and clear so I'm not complaining!!!!





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 02:23:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jamaro@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cerceda

Lisa,

His name is Adolfo Cerceda, from Argentina.  Along with being an origami
master, he was a stage magician, whip and knife thrower extraordinaire.  He
also sometimes went by the stage name of Carlos Corda.  He was one of the
greats.  My personal favorite folds of his are the macaw and the peacock
(from a dollar bill), both of which are in Harbin's Secrets of Origami,
recently reprinted in softcover, worth getting.  His name is pronounced "ser
say' dah".

Regards,

Joe Amaro





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 02:23:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: gjsmyth <gjsmyth@aelmg.adelaide.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Tiny Crimps

> Every once in a while I see a model that I would like to try a curved
> crimp.  In that case my little tool won't help:  I usually end up using a
> fingernail to gently score the paper--ideally on the side that is to be the
> valley fold of the crimp.
>
> Rob

Thanks for the tip I'll give it a go!!!

-Graeme Smyth





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 04:13:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Fascinating Folds (was: Origami Paper)

On 04:00 PM 9/3/97 -0300, Chris Miller wrote:

> Hello all,

>

>First of all, are Kim's Crane and Fascinating Folds reputable sources?  Not

>to offend the parties, but if I sent an order in would i be sure to get what

>I ordered?

I have placed quite a few orders with Fascinating Folds and have always been
     quite satisfied with the results.  FF has an excellent catalog (which you
     will receive with your first order I believe).  I've never had a problem
     with receiving an incorrectly f

Just my $ .02

               Origami:  "Welcome to the fold"

                     Steve Woodmansee

                     stevew@empnet.com

                    Bend, Oregon

            <bold>http://www.empnet.com/woodmansee

</bold>





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 08:39:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Simon Burchill <Simon.Burchill@jcu.edu.au>
Subject: Origami Entropy

I have long lamented the tendency of all my models - no matter how sharply
I make the creases - to slowly unfold themselves over the course of a few
days. This seems to occur regardless of the type of paper I use or the
scale of the model.

I have used a spot of glue stategically placed between selected layers of
paper, but this leaves me feeling more ashamed than when I cheat at
golf...

It was with great interest then, that I read of Magda Plewinska's dampen
the creases and hold overnight with paperclips method.

Or then again, perhaps there is a message (zen?) in our model's
inclination to unfold themselves.

Simon.





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 09:14:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: Aurora Lozada <alozada@notes.cc.bellcore.com>
Subject: -No Subject-

Anybody knows of an origami Ballet slippers?





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 10:10:34 -0300 (ADT)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Old NOA magazines (was Re: Treasure Ship Diagrams)

James M. Sakoda wrote:
+     NOA maintains a file of back issues and may possibly still have copies
+of them, for those who are interested in buying a copy.  NOA maintains a
+professionally printed magazine with diagrams drawn by professionals, which
+show the three dimensional quality of the folded paper and are relatively
+easy to follow. The content tends to be on the simple rather than complex
+side.   Write to
+Nippon Origami Association, 1-996 Domir Gobancho 12 Gobancho   Chiyokaku,
Tokyo 102 JAPAN.

Thanks for the information (esp. about when your diagrams appeared!).

I have tried to get back issues of NOA through Sasuga with limited success.
If anyone is successful at getting anything older than 1994, please let me
know how you did it!  If anyone would like to batch up an overseas order to
save on shipping, I'd be willing to get in on it too (though I haven't the
time and resources to coordinate it).

-D'gou
(Submitted on 9/4/97 at 0909 Eastern US time)





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 10:11:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: joel@exc.com (Dr. Joel M. Hoffman)
Subject: "The Complete Origami Collection" by Toshie Takaham

Does anyone have any information on Takaham's _The Complete Origami
Collection_?  According to Amazon, it was supposed to come out in July:

        The Complete Origami Collection
        by Toshie Takahama

        Paperback
        Published by Japan Pubns
        Publication date: July 1997
        ISBN: 0870409603

but they also say it's not out yet.

-Joel
(joel@exc.com)





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 10:21:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Origami Entropy

Simon Burchill indited:
+I have long lamented the tendency of all my models - no matter how sharply
+I make the creases - to slowly unfold themselves over the course of a few
+days. This seems to occur regardless of the type of paper I use or the
+scale of the model.

Even with foil?

+I have used a spot of glue stategically placed between selected layers of
+paper, but this leaves me feeling more ashamed than when I cheat at
+golf...

I'd agree with that.  Though occasionally I'm willing to blame the
creator for not having a locking mechanism. ;-)

+It was with great interest then, that I read of Magda Plewinska's dampen
+the creases and hold overnight with paperclips method.

Wet folded models will generally stay much more rigid, even in high humidty,
than dry folded ones.

+Or then again, perhaps there is a message (zen?) in our model's
+inclination to unfold themselves.

Perhaps.  I have one of Momotani's Koala models that lost its grip on the
kitchen curtains and landed on the window ledge.  If you fold the back legs
just right the model will "sit" as well as grip/hang.  After a few weeks of
sitting much closer to the kitchen sink, I noticed that the model had
"relaxed" into a very appealing pose.  I'm not sure I could easily reproduce
the flat model from which it started though, since there are a number of
judgement folds involved...

I was surprised and quite pleased to find that the relaxing paper had
transformed the model from one nice shape into another.

-D'gou
(Submitted on 9/4/97 at 0921 Eastern US time)





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 10:31:43 -0300 (ADT)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Extra steps...

In message <340D8C44.7C78@fast.net> you wrote:
Howard Portugal, responding to Nick Robinson, indited:
+I guess it all comes down to the purpose of the diagrams. If they
+are going to be published for general consumption, then I agree,
+no effort should be spared. I suppose the folder must keep in mind
+the diagrammer's intended audience before they judge the diagrams
+too harshly.

Indeed, though I think there may be some issues in this discussion
being blurred together which ought not to be.  Specificly, there is a
difference between 'efficient' diagrams and 'obscure' diagrams.
Efficient diagrams may show petal folds, sinks, squashes, double rabbit
ears, etc. all in one step.  Obscure diagrams simply don't present
enough information for you to determine if you have executed the
folding properly.  The example of a single diagram showing several
creases/folds plus a "turn over" step is a good example of an obscure
diagram.  Generally, the folder will not have enough information in the
next step to determine if the folds were made and layered properly.
That is a different frustration from the first time you see a petal
fold and find it diagrammed all at once.  Luckily there are enough
beginner's books that walk you through that so that the more advanced
books can be more efficient in their diagramming.

-D'gou
(Submitted on 9/4/97 at 0930 Eastern US time)





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 11:55:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: Janell Jarman <jarman@digitalpla.net>
Subject: Re: Origami Entropy

Simon Burchill wrote:
>
> I have long lamented the tendency of all my models - no matter how sharply
> I make the creases - to slowly unfold themselves over the course of a few
> days.

Maybe it is the climate where you live.  I haven't had that problem.

Janell





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 12:59:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: Arnold Tubis <atu@gold.physics.purdue.edu>
Subject: Origami Exhibit at Purdue University

               ORIGAMI EXHIBIT AT PURDUE UNIVERSITY

                   22 SEPTEMBER- 10 OCTOBER 1997

                     BEELKE GALLERY

                 CREATIVE ARTS BUILDING COMPLEX

        I am organizing an exhibit of origami at
Purdue University  from 22 September to 10 October
1997. I am using the exhibit in order to interest
the Creative Arts Department at Purdue to
institute one or more courses in paper folding
and related arts (with the possibility of bringing
in outside people for special workshops, etc.).
The exhibit will be in Beelke Gallery of the
Creative Arts Building Complex.

        If you are in the area, I will be happy to
give you specific directions for getting to Beelke
Gallery.

        Folders whose works will be featured in the
exhibit include John Montroll, Robert Lang, Joseph Wu
(not confirmed as yet), Peter Budai, Alfredo Giunta,
J. Anibal Voyer Iniesta, Marc Kirschenbaum, Ros Joyce,
James Sakoda, Mark Kennedy, Stephen Weiss, Marcia Miller,
Matt Slayton, Simon Strange, Bridgit Hayes, Virginia Hayes,
Joan Son, Marcia Mau, Doug Phillips and Jeremy Shaffer
(not confirmed as yet).

        Models of all types will be featured - large,
small, very very small, wet-folds, bill folds, modular
folds, very simple (e.g. one-crease folds after Paul
Jackson) to super-complex folds, credit card folds,
origami jewelry, models folded with unusual papers
and with fabric bonded to paper (fabrigami), origami
tesselations, etc.

        If you  would like to have some of your works
featured in the exhibit,  please send them to me (so
that they would arrive here by around 15 September 1997)
at the home of Arnold Tubis , 1810 Bridle Brook Lane
West Lafayette, IN 47906. It would be nice if you
could send me a one-page description about yourself and
your involvement in origami written in the third person
and (if possible) a recent photo of yourself.

        Contributions that I do not have at present, and
would really welcome include elaborate tesselations
(Sugimoto, Palmer, Bateman, ...) and a good quality
bone-by- bone dinosaur (Yoshino, ...).

        If you would be willing to  let us keep some
of your contributions at Purdue for future exhibits
and inspiration for students and teachers, please let me
know how much compensation you would want. Otherwise,
I will return your contributions after 12 October.

        Please excuse this late notice.

        Please pass this message  on to other interested folders.

                                 Best regards,

                                 Arnold Tubis,
                                 Professor of Physics
                                 Purdue University

                                 Email     atu@physics.purdue.edu





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 13:05:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Folding time as a measure of complexity

John Smith indited:
+I have attempted to do this . In Dec.1976 I published an article titled
+"It's all relative" ,( BOS magazine No. 61), in this I looked at the
+problems of measuring difficulty and came down in favour of measuring the
+time required to make a given fold. I used a valley or mountain fold as the
+base of the index and timed myself making a large number of such folds. I
+repeated this with a squash and so on. By then setting the time for a valley
+fold as one I ccould get the relative index for other folds. Not
+surprisingly the index closely mapped the number of creases which had to be
+manipulated simulateously when making the particular fold.
+Thus a reverse fold had an index of 2.58, and a petal fold 4.58. An 8 layer
+sink had an index of 17.05.
+
+In the proceedings of COET95 (an OUSA publication) I introduced a measure of
+total difficulty using the above scale but adding the difficulty of fold
+location and orientation. Thus it became possible to have a single measure
+of the the models difficulty by adding the relative time elements.

Thanks for posting that John!

I'd like to expand a little bit on what John wrote here, since it may
not be obvious to someone who hasn't read the COET95 paper or attended
his class.  (John, please correct any mistakes I make!)

The sense that I got from John's class and paper was that the timing
measure was a way to rate the complexity of the fold, and was not
primarily geared towards measuring actual folding times.

As John says, he repeated each fold a number of times to get the timing
value.  If you were to undertake to add up all the times of all the
folds in the model, you'd probably get a good lower bound on how long
it would take John to fold the model.

But I think it would be a lower bound only, because you would have to
alter the times to account for the fact that all folds of one type are
not equal.  Folds through multiple layers take a bit longer to execute
because you have to control the slippage or creep, and as a model
progresses, it often changes size (probably smaller), and when there is
enough of a change of scale, you have to change your technique for
folding, and that will also change the time.

As I recall, the time as 'complexity' metric was introduced as a way to
try to evaluate alternative folding sequences for the same model.  A
way to more objectively say that one sequence was easier than another.

On a somwhat related topic...
Some related work that John has done has been to find models/folding
sequences that are forgiving of folding errors.  I don't recall if the
time metric is applicable to that, or if John has created another
metric for capturing the level of imprecision a model can tolerate.

-D'gou
(sent on 9/4/97 at 1203 Eastern US time)





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 14:08:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: Janell Jarman <jarman@digitalpla.net>
Subject: Help!  My pig has run amok!

On the issue of clear/unclear diagramming:  has anyone successfully
folded Cerceda's "Pig 1" in "Fascinating Origami"?  It is driving me
crazy (which I must admit, is a rather short drive)!  Specifically, the
folds made in step 3 don't seem to result in the layers needed to
achieve step 5.

Janell





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 14:10:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: Janell Jarman <jarman@digitalpla.net>
Subject: Re: Origami Entropy

Daddy-o D'gou wrote:

> I have one of Momotani's Koala models

Is that by any chance in "Trick Origami"?  Sounds fun!

Janell





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 15:11:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: Zachary Brown <zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu>
Subject: Re: Origami Entropy

>
> I have long lamented the tendency of all my models - no matter how sharply
> I make the creases - to slowly unfold themselves over the course of a few
> days. This seems to occur regardless of the type of paper I use or the
> scale of the model.

It's an interesting paradox that the sharpness of the creases, rather
than keep the model together, actually weakens it and makes it unfold
itself quicker. This is because by sharply creasing the paper you are
breaking the fibers.

> It was with great interest then, that I read of Magda Plewinska's dampen
> the creases and hold overnight with paperclips method.

"wetfolding" is actually a vast field of origami skill in and of itself.
You should not restrict yourself to some method you have read about,
especially one that uses paperclips. Rather, I'd recommend obsessing over
the whole process for months, trying different amounts of dampness
before, during, or after folding, doing the same model in many different
ways until you understand the relationship between the paper and the
water, which will allow you to achieve the effect you desire. The
paperclip method you read about will give fine results in the short run,
but eventually you will grow less and less satisfied with it, as you
become more and more aware of what the paper is really doing in reaction
to the water and paperclips.

In wetfolding, there are two new elements: the water, and what you use to
hold the model while it dries. Wetting the creases of a finished model,
and holding it together with paperclips, is a very heavy handed approach.
The ideal is to use a minimal amount of water throughout the folding
process, and have it dry while you are sculpting it. (This paragraph is
an oversimplification, but it's just a pointer). This will give you the
most control over the final appearance of your work, and the models will
last for years. For more complicated models, you might want to dry-fold
part of the way through, and then start wetting it as soon as you are
past the point at which wetfolding would prevent any progress. It's all
trial and error.

Good luck.

Zack

> Simon.





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 15:30:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: A.Welles@student.kun.nl
Subject: Fridrikh Eugeny

Hi all,

Maarten van Gelder told me someone was looking for the address of Fridrikh
Eugeny. I was off the list that time, so I don't know who requested for
his address, but here it is:

654013 Russia
Novokuzne'tsk - 13
Tuzo'vskogo Street - 17
School No. 61
Mr. Fri'drikh Euge'ny
(Russia)

The ' after a vowel stands for the "accent aigu" (a dash to the right)

Arjan Welles
The Netherlands
A.Welles@Student.kun.nl





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 15:47:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: PINE

Clarence Deacons <deke@northnet.org> sez

>The only PINE I know of is "Pine is not Elm"

I think it's Paperfolders In New England....

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 15:53:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Origami Entropy

Janell indited:
+> I have one of Momotani's Koala models
+
+Is that by any chance in "Trick Origami"?  Sounds fun!

I don't know.  It is in one of the Biddle's books, either New Origami or
Essential Origami.  I think there is a Koala in each one actually.  The
Momotani Koala has "gripping front paws" and the other Koala model also has a
tree branch which the Koala is positioned on.  Since I don't have those
books with me at work, I don't know the actual name and creator of the other
model, nor which book specificly it is in.

-D'gou
(sent on 9/4/97 at 1451 Eastern US time)





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 16:11:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
Subject: Re: Origami Entropy

many current origami books that discuss paper choice in any detail mention
that models made from origami paper begins to sag over time unless there
is some "lock."  "locked" models include Montroll's kangaroo and bear from
_animal origami for the enthusiast_.  origami paper just sags.

wet folding is the technique used to make more permanent models.  sturdy
paper is wetted to make it more malleable, and when it dries, the result
is quite firm and long-lasting.  over the weekend, i wet-folded montroll's
three-headed dragon, and was very satisfied with the result.  i made it
from a 20" x 20"  sheet of emerald water-color paper... i would say this
model must definitely be wet-folded--if you do it from a standard 10" x
10", the dragon ends up a rather unimposing 5" in length.  i'm not sure
about florist's foil, but i understand wrapping paper also sags over time.

--Chinh Nguyen chinhsta@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu

"I was never more hated than when I tried to be honest.  Or when, even as
        just now I've tried to articulate exactly what I felt to be the
        truth."  -- Ralph Ellison, _The Invisible Man_





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 16:23:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Nancy B. McNitt" <nbm@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Fascinating Folds (was: Origami Paper)

I have met people from both businesses and I have personally bought from
them both. They are well run and you will receive what you order.
Glenn McNitt
At 04:13 AM 9/4/97 -0300, you wrote:
>On 04:00 PM 9/3/97 -0300, Chris Miller wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>
>>
>
>>First of all, are Kim's Crane and Fascinating Folds reputable sources?  Not
>
>>to offend the parties, but if I sent an order in would i be sure to get what
>
>>I ordered?
>
>
>I have placed quite a few orders with Fascinating Folds and have always
been quite satisfied with the results.  FF has an excellent catalog (which
you will receive with your first order I believe).  I've never had a problem
with receiving an incorrectly filled order.
>
>
>Just my $ .02
>
>             Origami:  "Welcome to the fold"
>
>                  Steve Woodmansee
>
>                  stevew@empnet.com
>
>                    Bend, Oregon
>
>           <bold>http://www.empnet.com/woodmansee
>
></bold>





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 16:35:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@fantasyfarm.com>
Subject: Re: PINE

On  4 Sep 97 at 15:48, Nick Robinson wrote:

> Clarence Deacons <deke@northnet.org> sez
>
> >The only PINE I know of is "Pine is not Elm"
>
> I think it's Paperfolders In New England....

Indeed it is.  It is a local group based just-west of Boston.  It was
started, run, and fueled by Joyce Rockmore until she passed away, and
the group kind of went into limbo.  However, about two or three
months ago I got a letter indicating that someone new was trying to
re-start the group -- someone from around Boston ought to have
details [I could probably find it someplace buried in a stack of mail
if necessary].  Jenny -- you or someone at the MIT group know what's
happening with PINE?

  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                        bernie@rev.net
Roanoke Electronic Village





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 16:54:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sy Chen <sychen@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Help!  My pig has run amok!

At 02:08 PM 9/4/97 -0300, Janell wrote:
>On the issue of clear/unclear diagramming:  has anyone successfully
>folded Cerceda's "Pig 1" in "Fascinating Origami"?  It is driving me
>crazy (which I must admit, is a rather short drive)!  Specifically, the
>folds made in step 3 don't seem to result in the layers needed to
>achieve step 5.
>
>Janell
>
>

It happened to be the "only" model I folded in this book. Let me implement
it in text:

1) in step 3 in book valley fold upper left corner and lower left coner as
indicated.  You will see 3 flaps in the left; Center one (named "X") is
wrapped by other two flaps (named "Y").

2) mountain fold (as indicated ) all 3 flaps together behind

3) hold the center flap ("X") in place while bringing the two outside flaps
("Y") to the left. You will see the two flaps ("Y") in the left when finished.

4) Valley fold the C flap (as marked in the book) to cover the two flaps
("Y"). You should be able to match the diagram in step 4 in book and step 5
 in book afterward once you repeat the righthand side as well.

Good luck!

|------------------------------------------------------\
|  _     Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) <chens@asme.org>     |\
| |_| Folding http://www.erols.com/sychen1/pprfld.html --\





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 17:33:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jean-Jerome CASALONGA <jjerome.casalonga@hol.fr>
Subject: Meeting Yoshizawa

        Hello back from the Mad Corsican Folder.

I would like to share with you a meeting with Akira Yoshizawa I had
recently (in fact, it was last night during my sleep).
It was in Japan (of course !), and I was very excited to meet the famous
folder, after the 158 faxes and letters I sent to him, begging for a
meeting.  So, the great day has arrived.

I was brought to the Maaaaaaster by one of his body guard.  After the guard
(which, I can tell you, really didn't look like Kevin Costner) has searched
me to check that I didn't carry any scisors or glue, I was introduced into
a room where the Maaaaaaster was there.  The guard made me sit, and
explained to me that I was not to speak.  So I sat silentely.  And I
waited.   And I waited.    And I waited...
Me : "Hum Hum"
    Yoshi : "Yes, what do you want, young girl ?"
Me : "Young man, if you see no objection"
    Yoshi : "What do you want ?  And don't waste my valuable time"
Me : "Well, Maaaaaaster, I would like to know more about your ideas on
Origami, what you think of modern folders like John Montroll ..."
    Yoshi : "John who ?"
Me : "Forget that question.  Can you tell me HOW we should fold"
    Yoshi : "If you want, young girl.  Origami is a marvelous art because
is it one of the cheapest of all arts.  What you need is simply one sheet
of paper.  But not any paper.  I personnaly use nothing but a paper that is
hand made in a Bhudist Monastery by virgin girls not older than 15.  I then
have it sent to me by UPS (when they're not on strike.  Bloody americans !)
in a special plane that has air conditionning, with an controled hygometry.
 When it arrives in Japan, I have it tested so that I am sure it can resist
to a thermonuclear war, and that an origami model made with it will last
300 years."
Me : "Whow ! I'm impressed."
    Yoshi : Yes, I know.  It usually impress girls (specially on airplanes
;-)).  But that it not finished.  When you want to fold a model (that I
created), you must expose the paper to the moon for 5 days before.  During
these 5 days, you must pray.  You must NOT have any relation with a woman.
And you must NOT look at TV.  You must have the model enter your mind.  You
must have the model enter your blood.
Then when the moon is full (and ONLY then), you wash your hands 5 times.
You also must brush your teeth every day, but your mom should have already
told you that.  If you want, you can have some Japanese music on the
background (but NEVER Nirvana !).  Then you fold.
Me : "And then what do you do with your models ."
   Yoshi : "What a stupid question !  I put them in my safe, in Switzerland
!  Next to my gold !"

Mr Yoshizawa make a small sign to the bodyguard, which comes to me and tell
me that the Maaaaaaster is tired and want to rest.  I understand that my
meeting (and this email) comes to an end.

I was so lucky to meet this great man ! But I still think that you can fold
a model with toilet paper (unused, preferabily), listening at Elvis .

               Bye,
                          The Mad Corsican Folder





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 17:39:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: Eric Andersen <ema@netspace.org>
Subject: Re: Origami on the Web (fwd)

Hi all, I got this message...any ideas?

-Eric  :-P
origami@brown.edu

/=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\
\   Eric Andersen                                       /
/    Mathematics and Music          ~  ~ __o            \
\     math@brown.edu              ~  ~ _-\<'_           /
/      ema@netspace.org        ~    ~ (_)/ (_)          \
\=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=/
      *** http://www.netspace.org/users/ema/ ***

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Dear sir

i am looking for a specialist of paper airplane in europe could you give me
     some contacts.
it's very urgent it would be for a shooting a commercial.
Thank you in advance for your help.

Jean-Paul

latitude@imaginet.fr





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 18:11:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: rick@tridelta.com (Rick Bissell)
Subject: Re: Koala

The gripping Koala is also in Gay Merrill Gross' book "Origami Workshop"
(original title I believe was "The Art of Origami")

   -- Rick





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 18:22:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: "NIGEL POTTLE, TEACHER LIBRARIAN, JAMES FOWLER SENIOR HIGH"@Owl.nstn.ca
Subject: Re: Origami Entropy

There is an Origami Koala (which grips, I think) in one of Gay Merrill
Gross's books, too. It's very nice. Maybe it's the same as the Biddle one -
which is The New Origami, if I remember correctly.

Nigel Pottle
npottle@cbe.ab.ca





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 18:56:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mr & Mrs Owen <djowen@pcl.net>
Subject: Re: Reading Archive Diagrams

I'm having trouble reading the viewing the archive, too.  May I hav a copy
of the instructions?
joyceowen
mother of the folder

----------
> From: Maldon7929@aol.com
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject: Reading Archive Diagrams
> Date: Wednesday, September 03, 1997 1:50 PM
>
> HELP!
>
> Some time ago an offer was made to assist with viewing archive diagrams.
I
> think by Valerie V'Ann or Alex Bateman.  If one of you would post me
> privately, when time allows, I'll explain the problem in more detail.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Maldon





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 19:53:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Janell Jarman <jarman@digitalpla.net>
Subject: Re: Help!  My pig has run amok!

Sy Chen wrote:
>
> At 02:08 PM 9/4/97 -0300, Janell wrote:
> >On the issue of clear/unclear diagramming:  has anyone successfully
> >folded Cerceda's "Pig 1" in "Fascinating Origami"?  It is driving me
> >crazy (which I must admit, is a rather short drive)!  Specifically, the
> >folds made in step 3 don't seem to result in the layers needed to
> >achieve step 5.
> >
> >Janell
> >
> >
>
> It happened to be the "only" model I folded in this book. Let me implement
> it in text:
>
> 1) in step 3 in book valley fold upper left corner and lower left coner as
> indicated.  You will see 3 flaps in the left; Center one (named "X") is
> wrapped by other two flaps (named "Y").
>
> 2) mountain fold (as indicated ) all 3 flaps together behind
>
> 3) hold the center flap ("X") in place while bringing the two outside flaps
> ("Y") to the left. You will see the two flaps ("Y") in the left when finished.
>
> 4) Valley fold the C flap (as marked in the book) to cover the two flaps
> ("Y"). You should be able to match the diagram in step 4 in book and step 5
>  in book afterward once you repeat the righthand side as well.
>
> Good luck!

Great--thanks!  Now how about the rest of the pig???  I've asked this
question before, but...Is this model really that difficult, or is it
just me, or is it the diagrams???

Janell





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 21:34:02 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mike and Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Origami Entropy

> Janell wrote:
> +> I have one of Momotani's Koala models
> +
> +Is that by any chance in "Trick Origami"?  Sounds fun!

Actually, there are two models in "Trick Origami" by Momotani that take
advantage of this.  They are "self opening flowers".  You fold the buds,
mist them with water, and watch the flowers open over the next couple of
hours.

Janet Hamilton

--
mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 21:46:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mike and Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Fascinating Folds

I'm passing on the following address update for Fascinating Folds:

Mail:
Fascinating Folds
P.O. Box 10070
Glendale, AZ  85318

Location:
15820 N. 35th Ave #28
Phoenix, AZ  85023
The store will tentatively open the end of this month, but anyone local
can
call before.

Telephone:
Local:  602/375-9978
Nat'l:  800/968-2418
Fax:
Local:  602/375-9979
Nat'l:  888/433-6537

Janet Hamilton

--
mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 22:54:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: bartolon@execpc.com (Michel Bartolone)
Subject: 2nd Call for Votes, re: rec.arts.origami posted

The second call for votes on the formation of the proposed new
newsgroup rec.arts.origami was posted on Monday September 1st.
This  is just a reminder that voting on this issue will close on
September 12th.

For details on the voting process and the proposed newsgroups
particulars, please see the article posted to news.announce.newgroups,
or news.groups, or via WWW at www.dejanews.com, or from the official
vote taker, Rebecca McQuitty (mcq@wco.com). The call for votes is
titled 2nd CFV: rec.arts.origami.

For details on the proposed newsgroup itself, either e-mail me, or see
the CFV.

Sincerely
Michel Bartolone
bartolon@execpc.com





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 23:12:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sy Chen <sychen@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Help!  My pig has run amok!

At 07:54 PM 9/4/97 -0300, Janell wrote:
>
>
>Great--thanks!  Now how about the rest of the pig???  I've asked this
>question before, but...Is this model really that difficult, or is it
>just me, or is it the diagrams???
>
>Janell
>
>

Tell me where you got stuck.  I am not good at long text instruction. Don't
expect me to have it all.

Don't blame the diagram too much! Isn't it fun to solve puzzles?
Or origami should be spelled as "Ori got me"?

Cheers!

|------------------------------------------------------\
|  _   Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) <sychen@erols.com>     |\
| |_| Folding http://www.erols.com/sychen1/pprfld.html --\





Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 23:33:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: Clarence Deacons <deke@northnet.org>
Subject: Re: Origami Entropy

On 04-Sep-97, Daddy-o D'gou spake thus:

DD >Janell indited:
DD >+> I have one of Momotani's Koala models
DD >+
DD >+Is that by any chance in "Trick Origami"?  Sounds fun!

DD >I don't know.  It is in one of the Biddle's books, either New Origami or
DD >Essential Origami.  I think there is a Koala in each one actually.  The
DD >Momotani Koala has "gripping front paws" and the other Koala model also
has a
DD >tree branch which the Koala is positioned on.  Since I don't have those
DD >books with me at work, I don't know the actual name and creator of the
other
DD >model, nor which book specificly it is in.

Momotani's koala is in New Origami... gripping paws

--
 Isn't it ironic that
   the most appealing attribute a woman has
           is displayed at its best
                      as she's leaving you?

     Clarence Deacons
     Deke@northnet.org





Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 00:29:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: ROCKYGROD@aol.com
Subject: Crane ring

Hi,
This is my first attempt to use this server so I hope I'm doing it right?

I learned  a crane ring at the OUSA convention in June.  Anyone know the
creator?  It's a great model folded out of $ bill.

Also, does anyone know of a source for colored embossed glicene?

Thanks and happy folding,

Patty





Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 01:23:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: ROCKYGROD@aol.com
Subject: Re: Wanted: Vase

I have used Verdi vase for flowers...it is sturdy and with strong paper can
hold a nice arrangement.

Good luck,

Patty





Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 08:20:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mike and Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Crane ring

ROCKYGROD@aol.com wrote:
> Also, does anyone know of a source for colored embossed glicene?

I just received mail this week from Fascinating Folds announcing that
they now carry colored glassine and textured glassine.  The embossed
glassine is in 3 patterns - linen, spider web, and spirals.  The
textured glassine is in white only.

Janet Hamilton

--
mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/





Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 09:47:41 -0300 (ADT)
From: joel@exc.com (Dr. Joel M. Hoffman)
Subject: Wanted: Vase

>I have used Verdi vase for flowers...it is sturdy and with strong paper can
>hold a nice arrangement.

Where can I find instructions?

Thanks.

-Joel
(joel@exc.com)





Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 10:52:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Fascinating Folds

Janet Hamilton wrote, giving the new Fascinating Folds address info:
+I'm passing on the following address update for Fascinating Folds:
..
+The store will tentatively open the end of this month, but anyone local
+can call before.

Thanks for posting the new info.

Only one nit to pick, the part quoted above makes it sound like
FF is temporarily closed.

FF is open.

What Janet is referring to is the actual physical walk-in retail store,
which is a new thing for FF, and that won't be open until later in the
month.

-Doug
(Sent on 9/5/97 at 0951 Eastern US time)





Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 11:46:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Janell Jarman <jarman@digitalpla.net>
Subject: Re: Meeting Yoshizawa

Jean-Jerome CASALONGA wrote:
>
>         Hello back from the Mad Corsican Folder.
>
> I would like to share with you a meeting with Akira Yoshizawa I had
> recently (in fact, it was last night during my sleep)...

> ...I was so lucky to meet this great man ! But I still think that you can fold
> a model with toilet paper (unused, preferabily), listening at Elvis .
>
>                 Bye,
>                                 The Mad Corsican Folder

Oh my, you really ARE mad aren't you?!  I'm surprised that Yoshizawa
didn't have to kill you after revealing his secrets to you.

Janell





Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 14:23:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: David.Dureisseix@lmt.ens-cachan.fr (david dureisseix)
Subject: article about polygons

  Hi,

  As I have just written a paper about constructions of regular polygons
in origami, I wonder if it is possible to submit it to appear, for
instance, into the Origami Interest Group, for those who are interested
in.

  Thanks for any answer,
--
 +---------------------------------------------------------------------+
 |    David DUREISSEIX                                                 |
 |      LMT CACHAN             fax : 01 47 40 27 85                    |
 |      61 Av du Pdt Wilson    tel : 01 47 40 22 25                    |
 |      94235 CACHAN CEDEX     e-mail : dureisse@lmt.ens-cachan.fr     |





Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 14:47:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: jaelle <jaelle1@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: Meeting Yoshizawa

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Jean-Jerome CASALONGA wrote:

>         Hello back from the Mad Corsican Folder.
>
>

Welcome back new friend,

     I do agree with the "Maaaaaaaaaster" about listening ot Nirvana
while folding! Can get ones nerves and make the hands shake there by
causing one to tear the paper while folding.

As to listening to Elvis while folding ... ewwwww well that is a
personal opinion , I prefer Willie Nelson and Beethoven .... ( wonder if
they ever met?)

Good to have you back JJ

Walk in light

Gail

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Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 15:45:22 -0300 (ADT)
From: John Smith <jon.pure@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Folding time as a measure of complexity

At 01:05 PM 9/4/97 -0300, you wrote:
 Thanks Doug for your usual cogent amnd valuable comments.
>As I recall, the time as 'complexity' metric was introduced as a way to
>try to evaluate alternative folding sequences for the same model.  A
>way to more objectively say that one sequence was easier than another.

Actually I have been trying to find a single measure of complexity for many
years. I suddenly realized that I could use my time-base method as a way of
measuring relative complexity and then trying to find ways of making things
simpler.

It is obviously true that the area of paper involved in making a fold will
affect the time needed. Thus it the area is very small or very large I would
expect the time required to increase. But this is conjecture I have not
carried out any trials. The same thing mat be true with the thickness of the
paper.
I was taught long ago that when dealing with complex systems with major
error components, to always start with the simplest possible model and see
if that is adequate, this is what I have attempted to do in this work. I was
concerned with models for those who are in the USA terminology !challenged',
therefore I assumed that the paper would fit the person and that
highlycomplex models could safely be left until I could make progress with
the simpler. I was more concerned with how difficulty measures should be
modified for different kinds of difficulty experienced by the person,
whether mental or physical.
.
>
>On a somwhat related topic...
>Some related work that John has done has been to find models/folding
>sequences that are forgiving of folding errors.  I don't recall if the
>time metric is applicable to that, or if John has created another
>metric for capturing the level of imprecision a model can tolerate.

I wish I could do this, so far I have only got one or two ideas. For example
the models selected should , as far as possible, require folds which are as
independent of each other. This means that an error in one fold will not
lead to errors in the next folds. Obviously the model should have as few
folds as possible all of them with clear landmarks.

But why do some models still work even when badly folded? I wish I knew.
Perhaps the key is in Yoshizawa's one fold butterfly?. I would welcome any help.

John.

>
>-D'gou
>(sent on 9/4/97 at 1203 Eastern US time)
>
>
John Smith
Norwich
England
e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 16:04:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: preaux <preaux@univ-lyon1.fr>
Subject: Re: article about polygons [FR]

david dureisseix wrote:
>
>   Hi,
>
>   As I have just written a paper about constructions of regular polygons
> in origami, I wonder if it is possible to submit it to appear, for
> instance, into the Origami Interest Group, for those who are interested
> in.
>
>   Thanks for any answer,
> --
>

et tu peux aussi le dire en franais !
sur la liste franaise. Si tu veux y souscrire dis le moi je me
renseignerais (pour l'instant je ne m'en rapelle plus ':o

ah au fait si tu as une version franaise peut tre que Vincent Mosele
serait interess pour le mettre sur sa page web ( a voir sur la liste
franaise)!

en tout cas moi je le suis ! si tu l'envoyer via e-mail (quel taille a
fait ?)

a+

Cyrille.





Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 16:45:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jean-Jerome CASALONGA <jjerome.casalonga@hol.fr>
Subject: Re: Origami on the Web (fwd)

        Hi all,
Imaginet.fr is a french equivalent to AOL.  I wrote to the guy, with my
Email.  Note : if I get the job, you have 10 % :-)
                          The mad corsican folder
