




Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 05:12:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Marius Kirsch)
Subject: Re: origami trivia

Hi Mark!

On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Mark Morden wrote:
> On Jeopardy! last night came this bit of trivia.  The word "diploma" is
> greek for folded paper.  Does that mean that those who engage in origami are
> being "diplomatic?"

Eric Kenneway explains this in "Complete Origami" thus:
---
"Diplom" is derived from a latin word that means "a letter that is folded
twice". Nowadays, diplomas are more likely to be rolled or not folded,
but it is obvious that in former times it was important that the document
was folded.
--- (Rough re-translation from my German copy)

So only those folders that fold two-fold models are diplomatic. :-)

Yours, Sebastian               sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de,skirsch@t-online.de





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 05:19:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Marius Kirsch)
Subject: Re: Cat model (Was German Shepherd model)

Hi Janell!

On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Janell Jarman wrote:
> know.  I know what the symbols all mean, but I found both "Secrets" and
> "Fascinating" to be hard to follow and the diagrams not always clear.
> Is this because (1) they are above my level, (2) they lack written
> instruction, or (3) they really are hard to follow?

I think that they are really hard to follow. When "Secrets" was written,
diagramming had to be done by hand. And since hand-diagramming is a very
time-consuming thing to do, diagrammers tried to put as much information
as possible into one diagram. This results in diagrams that are hard to
follow, since several things are done at once in one picture, and several
folding sequences run parallel over several pictures.

Today, with the latest computer technology, diagramming is not such a pain
in the neck. It is easier to split the folding sequences up, because you
can simply copy the picture from the last step and only change the things
you need. This results in very detailed diagrams, where only one thing is
done in one picture, but also in very long instructions. (A 150-step model
is practically impossible to diagram by hand.)

Yours, Sebastian               sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de,skirsch@t-online.de





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 07:14:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: York BOS meeting - guests...

As Robin mentioned, the convention at the University of Ripon & York
(September 19-21 1997) is our 30th Anniversary - a special 3 day event,
including an international Paper Airplane Contest.

Guests we expect to arrive include Sergei Afonkin, Akira Yoshizawa,
Micheal LaFosse, Alfredo Giunta, Mark Kennedy, Eric Joisel, David
Venables, Max Hulme and all the usual crew! You can view the booking
form at the BOS site for more details.

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 08:01:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: folding nomenclature

Clarence Deacons <deke@northnet.org> sez

>'folding nomenclature?' ...hmmm ie a text
>representation of the folding of something.

If you mean a mathematic representation of a folding sequence, John
Snith's Origami Instruction Language is your best bet, but I know next
to nothig about it - John wrote a booklet for the BOS a long time ago,
but I'm not sure if there are any left. Best ask John for more details
via this list...

If you mean "text only" instructions, have a look at the BOS web site -
there's a page full of 'em!

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:16:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: joel@exc.com (Dr. Joel M. Hoffman)
Subject: Diagraming

>I think that they are really hard to follow. When "Secrets" was written,
>diagramming had to be done by hand. And since hand-diagramming is a very

Which raises a question:  is thre any freely-available diagramming
software?

Thanks.

-Joel
(joel@exc.com)





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:23:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: BOS Booklets

RA Kennedy <kennedra@isdugp.bham.ac.uk> sez

>I do hope that Nick Robinson will use his position on the BOS Council to
>express with VIGOUR the great frustration that the members of Origami-l,
>and many members of the BOS feel regarding the non-availability of many
>of these booklets.

I share your sentiments & am doing my utmost...

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:24:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Ilya M. Vasilyev" <ilya@sch139.omsk.su>
Subject: The First Siberian Conference

   The First Siberian conference "Origami in classes" will be held
on the 3-5 November in Russia (Siberia, Omsk city).
   Please send applications to address:

   8 Zarechniy Boulevard
   school 139 "Origami Center"
   Omsk
   Russia
   644119

Send your address for official invitation





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 12:10:43 -0300 (ADT)
From: rick@tridelta.com (Rick Bissell)
Subject: "Folding the Universe"

>> Probably the list will be flooded by similar messages, but
>> anyway for newcomers, "Folding the Universe" was reprinted by Dover
>> a few years ago under the title "Origami from Angelfish to Zen",
>> ISBN0486281388

Anyone know why the title was changed?  I liked the original title better!
Was this Engel's decision?

I also wondered if Peter is still working with origami and has any plans for
future books.

   -- Rick





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 12:35:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: Francis Firth <Francis.Firth@uce.ac.uk>
Subject: Scorpion Models

There is a picture of a fine scorpion by Max Hulme in:
BOS Booklet 15     Dave Venables  Max Hulme: Selected Works (1973-1979).
Does anyone know whether it has ever been diagrammed and, if so, is anyone
prepared to share a copy of thoe diagrams with me?
Thanks and looking forward to hearing from you.
Francis Firth
Francis.Firth@uce.ac.uk





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 13:06:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Marius Kirsch)
Subject: Re: Origami Sources

Hi Janet!

On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Mike and Janet Hamilton wrote:
> I know there have
> been problems with China obeying copyright laws in music and videos -
> has anyone else seen these books and do you know if they are legit or
> rip-offs?

IIRC, Heinz Strobl showed me some of these Chinese reprints when I visited
him, and he told me that they were illegal.

Yours, Sebastian            sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de,skirsch@t-online.de





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:38:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Dimmis Petrides <bleu@epsilon.enet.gr>
Subject: Digest

Can someone remind me of the command of the listserver so to get the
origami digest instead of all the mail???

Thanx in advance

Dimmis





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:41:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Sergei Y. Afonkin" <sergei@origami.nit.spb.su>
Subject: Try to contact Herman...

Dear friends,
Does anybody know e-mail address of Herman van Hubergen?

Your Sergei Afonkin, the chairman of St.Petersburg Origami Center
sergei@origami.nit.spb.su





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:42:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: MSPARKS@pinkertons.com (MATTHEW SPARKS 05-025)
Subject: RE: origami sighting=?US-ASCII?Q?=3F?=

I must be doing something wrong, I have an 8X8 square of mulberry paper   in
front of me and  I have been saying "Bird Base" at it for two hours now   but
nothing is happening. Unless you count the people in the cubicles around   me
arranging for these nice men to come and take me home....

Matthew Makaala Sparks                          Desk (818) 380-8712
Senior Technical Support Specialist
Pinkerton Security & Investigation Services
15910 Ventura Blvd.; Suite 900
Encino, CA  91436                               Ham Radio KE6GVI
  email = MSparks@Pinkertons.com
 ---------------------------------------------------------------------
 Say "Plugh"...                                 "XYZZY"

 ----------
From:  origami-l[SMTP:origami-l@nstn.ca]
Sent:  Thursday, August 28, 1997 5:18 PM
To:  Multiple recipients of list
Subject:  origami sighting?

A bit of an stretch but "noteworthy." From Neal
Stephenson's "The Diamond Age or, A Young Lady's Illustrated Primer":

"Cover sheet," Hackworth said to the piece of paper, and then it had
pictures and writing on it, and the pictures moved -- a schematic of
a machine-phase system cycling.
.
.
.
.
"Thank you, Demetrius," Hackworth said. "Letter fold," he said to the
piece of paper, and it creased itself neatly into thirds. Hackworth
put it in the breast pocket of his jacket and walked out of Merkle
Hall.





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:45:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Origami Sources

On Fri, 29 Aug 1997, Sebastian Marius Kirsch wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Mike and Janet Hamilton wrote:
> > I know there have
> > been problems with China obeying copyright laws in music and videos -
> > has anyone else seen these books and do you know if they are legit or
> > rip-offs?
>
> IIRC, Heinz Strobl showed me some of these Chinese reprints when I visited
> him, and he told me that they were illegal.

Yes, they are. The problem is not China (as in the People's Republic of
China), but China (as in Taiwan, the People's Democratic Republic of
China). They have no laws on written copyright, and there is a thriving
business of copying books and of making illegal translations. I've seen
many of these books myself and have refrained from buying them.

          Joseph Wu           It's your privilege as an artist to inflict
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   the pain of creativity on yourself. We can
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami you how YOU paint. There's More Than One Way
                              To Do It. Have the appropriate amount of fun.
                                          --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 15:52:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Re: Diagraming

Dr. Joel M. Hoffman wrote:
> Which raises a question:  is thre any freely-available diagramming
> software?

I've been looking for the same, and read the looong origami-l
thread about best diagramming tools (searched for "diagramming"
at Alex  Bateman's site). A lot of great diagramming tools are
mentioned in that thread, but no free ones.
What you need is a free, or cheap, vector-oriented drawing program;
you might want to search http://www.tucows.com for a shareware/freeware
program.

Matthias

P.S.: I'm using "Visio" now, a swiss program. Superb! But not free :-(.





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 15:54:31 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Re: Folding Time

pat slider wrote about folding time:
> Well with a baby in the house a complex model can take all month.
> Hurts like anything when you mess up on step 150 too. aghhhhhhhh!

Hmm. Maybe you should get your baby to take more
frequent naps. Or carry it on the back and practice
folding in the air (hey, I'll try that sometime!).

> And I usually have to try three times to get a decent version of
> a model so....

Me too. I usually try different paper sizes too, because
some models look best in certain sizes (besides the fact
that some models simply CAN'T be folded from anything
smaller than 30x30cm...).

Matthias, still folding time...





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 15:54:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Re:Helium balloons

Karen wrote:
> When our kids got sick when they were little, we sometimes got them helium
> balloons, made little origami baskets to hang from them, and made paper
> dolls to ride in them across the room (acting out the great escape of Jules
> Verne's MYSTERIOUS ISLAND).

What a neat idea! If only I had known this three month ago,
when my daughter Lea was sick with the measles! Maybe this
would make a great book: "Origami for sick kids" with all
kinds of neat Origami toy thingies a kid can play with in bed.

Matthias





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 15:55:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Re: Folding Time

Sebastian Marius Kirsch wrote:
> When I fold something, it's like a rush: You start, get hooked,
> and a few hours later you realize that you have finished it, and
> that it's evening already.

A clear symptom of Origami Addiction! Maybe you should join
Origami Anonymous... <g>.

> And I wish I had a clue just how darned LONG it took to fold something!

Simple: Buy a stopwatch and use it :-).

Matthias





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 15:55:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Re: Folding Time

Dennis Walker wrote:
> e.g.   A model marked as a 20 would take twenty times as long to
> fold as a flappping bird. This time would, of course, vary according to the
> speed/experience of the folder.
> Just thought you might be interested!

This sounds like a very useful idea to me. Thanks :-).
How about making this an international standard, included
in any decent Origami book review? It would also prove that
the reviewer has actually folded the models he/she is writing about...

Matthias, stopwatch in hand...





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 15:56:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Re: Kawahata Beetle Book

Chinh Nguyen wrote in reply to Alec (JacAlArt@aol):
> while that is true, you could afford to be more diplomatic.  which "what's
> wrong with kawahata?" is not.

As David Lister wrote today, all paperfolders are per
definition diplomatic. Even if it doesn't show :-).

Matthias





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 16:55:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Thomas C. Hull" <tch@abyss.merrimack.edu>
Subject: Re:  Correction: New Origami Group in Littleton, MA

Kristine,

Hey!  Sorry I didn't make the origami meeting in Littleton.  I forgot
that I had an OUSA conference call meeting that night, so I was
stuck at home.  Let me know when the next one is, kay?

--- Tom "still adjusting to the new" Hull





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:07:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sy Chen <sychen@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Diagraming

At 09:17 AM 8/29/97 -0300, Joel wrote:

>Which raises a question:  is thre any freely-available diagramming
>software?
>
>Thanks.
>

Talking about FREE diagramming software in origami interest group there is
a program called Oridraw by M.J.van.Gelder. My 1st concern is its high
learning curve. Zack Brown wrote a perl script called ROD to make oridraw
more user friendly. I am just curious about how many of us are really using
ROD and Oridraw.

The alternative is using Free PageDraw 2.04 from
http://www.wix.com/PageDraw/ for win3.1 or win95. But limited features may
prevent you from more powerful diagramming.

Most of the famous diagrammers/designers in US use FreeHand from Macromedia
including John Montroll, Robert Lang, Jeremy Shafer, Marc Kirschenbaum, ...
Spend some money if you are in serious diagramming.

Happy Diagramming!

|------------------------------------------------------\
|  _     Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) <chens@asme.org>     |\
| |_| Folding http://www.erols.com/sychen1/pprfld.html --\





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:59:12 -0300 (ADT)
From: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Marius Kirsch)
Subject: Re: Diagraming

On Fri, 29 Aug 1997, Dr. Joel M. Hoffman wrote:
> Which raises a question:  is thre any freely-available diagramming
> software?

There is quite a number of freeware drawing packages around, eg. xfig and
tgif to name two of them. I believe you could even use METAFONT to do
2-dimensional diagramming, because most models can quite easily be
described in mathematical terms.

I only know of one dedicated diagramming program, and that's Oridraw by
Maarten van Gelder. I believe it runs on a Macintosh, and it's available
from ftp://ftp.rug.nl/origami/programs. I don't know about it's
distribution terms.

Yours, Sebastian               sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de,skirsch@t-online.de





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:15:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Diagram readability (was Re: Cat model (Was German Shepherd model))

Sebastian Kirsch, pondering the nature of "hard to follow" diagrams, typed:
+Today, with the latest computer technology, diagramming is not such a pain
+in the neck. It is easier to split the folding sequences up, because you
+can simply copy the picture from the last step and only change the things
+you need. This results in very detailed diagrams, where only one thing is
+done in one picture, but also in very long instructions. (A 150-step model
+is practically impossible to diagram by hand.)

An interesting idea.  But I think it may have slightly missed the
mark.

A technique I have seen used when folds are restricted to one part of a
model is to focus on that part of the model, showing only the paper
involved in the steps, say to form a head, or foot, or some such.
After that sequence is completed, the entire model is drawn again.  The
"focussing" symbology often uses arcs or circles to indicate the part
to be focussed on, as well as enlarging arrows to indicate that the
scale of the diagrams has been changed for clarity of reading.

No, I think what makes some diagrams hard to follow is not that there
are 7 "sub steps" to each step, (see Montroll's earlier books for
example), but rather each sub step is a compound thing, showing a crimp
or pleat with no obvious landmarks or intermediate steps to help locate
or execute the indicated maneuver.  Even more irritating is that one
often most look many (not just one) steps ahead to see where the paper
should have gone, since the crease locations are not often geometricly
correct.  I've found this esp. annoying in Yoshizawa's diagrams, where
arms and legs will magicly adjust themselves between steps.

I searched the origami-l archive via Alex Bateman's page (Alex Barber's
page only goes back a few months), looking for 'lister' 'randlet' and
'harbin', and I found a number of messages from David Lister recounting
the "BIG 3" origami books:  Secrets of Origami (Harbin), The Art of
Origami (Randlett) and The Best of Origami (Randlett) as well as the
beginnings of "modern" diagramming symbology.  But I was not able to
find anything on the more general topic of diagram "follow-ability".

I'm hoping to tease/prod David Lister into making another of his
interesting and informative posts regarding the next level of diagram
standardization (if there is one).

It is hard enough to remember, or imagine, as the case may be, how much
of an improvement the "BIG 3" represent compared to what went before.
It is much easier, though not entirely fair, to find the faults based
on our current higher standards.

-D'gou

P.S.  to David Lister:  It was a pleasure to re-read your articles on
Randlett and Harbin and Yoshizawas work to standardize diagramming, but
upon reflection I find it difficult to believe that there were no
European folders/diagrammers making substantive contributions to that
effort.  Sadly, even today, origami books are being released that insist on
re-inventing, yet again, origami symbols and terminology.

(Submitted on 8/28/97 at 5:12pm Eastern US time)





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:36:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kim Best <kim.best@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: origami sighting?

MATTHEW SPARKS 05-025 wrote:

> I must be doing something wrong, I have an 8X8 square of mulberry paper   in
> front of me and  I have been saying "Bird Base" at it for two hours now   but
> nothing is happening. Unless you count the people in the cubicles around   me
> arranging for these nice men to come and take me home....
>

Excuse me, I think your susposed to...

>  Say "Plugh"...
>

But be careful, the bird might scare your snake away.

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 20:27:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Marius Kirsch)
Subject: RE: origami sighting=?US-ASCII?Q?=3F?=

On Fri, 29 Aug 1997, MATTHEW SPARKS 05-025 wrote:
> I must be doing something wrong, I have an 8X8 square of mulberry paper   in
> front of me and  I have been saying "Bird Base" at it for two hours now   but
> nothing is happening.

Nah, that's just because you didn't train it properly. A dog doesn't sit
without training, and you expect a piece of mulberry paper to fold simply
because you tell it to? Even fold itself into a bird base? Perhaps you
should have started with something simpler like the fish base or the
blintz. And remember that pre-trained origami paper -- although available
-- is usually more expensive, and that you have to give the commands in
Japanese!

Anyway, I've got off the idea of training paper to fold itself. I mean, a
bird base is fancy trick, but you can't really do anything with it: Like a
dog that stands up after while when you tell it to sit down, a paper that
folds itself will eventually unfold again. So you can only make models
from trained paper that have a very strong locking mechanism.

Some sillyness to enlighten your day, Sebastian
sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de,skirsch@t-online.de

PS: My best square could once fold a flapping bird without help!
Unfortunately, after all that training, the paper was so weak that it tore
the first time I wanted to show someone. Can you imagine how I cried? I
almost trained it to flap by itself, and now everything was wasted! :-...





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 20:32:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Marius Kirsch)
Subject: Re: Folding Time

On Fri, 29 Aug 1997, Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:
> A clear symptom of Origami Addiction! Maybe you should join
> Origami Anonymous... <g>.

I'll vote for an anonymous mailing list:
subscribe origami-a Anon Nymous

> > And I wish I had a clue just how darned LONG it took to fold something!
> Simple: Buy a stopwatch and use it :-).

Buying is not a problem, but remembering to use it is one. It has
happenend several times to me that it's 11.30pm, I see some piece of paper
and think: Ah, just the first few steps of that model, just to see how it
folds, and two hours later I realize that I have folded the whole model.
No use in using a stopwatch there.

Yours, Sebastian               sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de,skirsch@t-online.de





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 21:08:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: Janell Jarman <jarman@digitalpla.net>
Subject: Re: origami sighting?

Kim Best wrote:
>
> MATTHEW SPARKS 05-025 wrote:
>
> > I must be doing something wrong, I have an 8X8 square of mulberry paper   in
> > front of me and  I have been saying "Bird Base" at it for two hours now
     but
> > nothing is happening. Unless you count the people in the cubicles around
     me
> > arranging for these nice men to come and take me home....
> >
>
> Excuse me, I think your susposed to...
>
> >  Say "Plugh"...
> >
>
> But be careful, the bird might scare your snake away.

Oh, wait...it's right on the tip of my brain.  What IS the name of that
game???  I used to waste hours playing it in college.  That's why it
took me ten years to graduate!

Janell





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 21:18:22 -0300 (ADT)
From: Janell Jarman <jarman@digitalpla.net>
Subject: Re: Diagram readability

Daddy-o D'gou wrote:
>
> Sebastian Kirsch, pondering the nature of "hard to follow" diagrams, typed:
> +Today, with the latest computer technology, diagramming is not such a pain
> +in the neck...............

> ......It is much easier, though not entirely fair, to find the faults based
> on our current higher standards.
>
> -D'gou

Uh...I'm confused.  So do we have a concensus here?  Are "Fascinating
Origami" and "Secrets of Origami" difficult to follow, or are the models
just difficult?  And back to the original issue of "real" origami books,
what are some "must haves"?  How about everyone's two or three favorite?

Janell





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 21:28:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@ahand.unicamp.br>
Subject: Re: origami sighting?

Sorry, perhaps I should have changed the subject (NO)

>>From: Kim Best <kim.best@m.cc.utah.edu>
>>
>>Excuse me, I think your susposed to...
>>
>>>  Say "Plugh"...
>>>
>>
>>But be careful, the bird might scare your snake away.

XYZZY? Plugh? The bird in the golden cage and the huge green
fierce snake? How many fellow folders out there have explored
the Colossal Cave??

        Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti

P.S. I ran ADVENT in a deceased PDP-10 mainframe and (shudder)
LA32 paper terminals...





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 22:13:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: Laurie Bisman <lbisman@ihug.co.nz>
Subject: Re: origami sighting?

Colossal Cave. There was a version of it released for PC called Microsoft
Adventure

Regards..

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Laurie Bisman    lbisman@ihug.co.nz (ICQ number  1458799)
Web page          http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~lbisman/index.html
Company           http://www.addlink.ac.nz/Home.htm
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

----------
> From: Janell Jarman <jarman@digitalpla.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject: Re: origami sighting?
> Date: Saturday, 30 August 1997 12:09
>
> Kim Best wrote:
> >
> > MATTHEW SPARKS 05-025 wrote:
> >
> > > I must be doing something wrong, I have an 8X8 square of mulberry
paper   in
> > > front of me and  I have been saying "Bird Base" at it for two hours
now   but
> > > nothing is happening. Unless you count the people in the cubicles
around   me
> > > arranging for these nice men to come and take me home....
> > >
> >
> > Excuse me, I think your susposed to...
> >
> > >  Say "Plugh"...
> > >
> >
> > But be careful, the bird might scare your snake away.
>
> Oh, wait...it's right on the tip of my brain.  What IS the name of that
> game???  I used to waste hours playing it in college.  That's why it
> took me ten years to graduate!
>
> Janell





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 22:18:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Thomas C. Hull" <tch@abyss.merrimack.edu>
Subject: Re: Diagram readability

Mistah D'gou wrote:

>>>
Sadly, even today, origami books are being released that insist on
re-inventing, yet again, origami symbols and terminology.
<<<

Ooooo!  I beg to differ at your tone of voice!  Learning origami folds,
a collection of 3D moves, from a 2D medium is difficult.  Thus, I
don't think there'll EVER be a *perfect* standardized way to do
origami diagrams.  If you compare the "BIG 3" with books from
the early 80s, late 80s and 90s, you'll see a continuing evolution
of diagramming language.  Heck, the book I'm working on now
introduces some new symbols - at the suggestion of Sam Randlett
even!  (He's the copyeditor for the book.)

Origami diagram symbols will, and should be continually "re-invented".
Diagramming, like teaching, is an art in itself and should not
remain static.

----- Tom "I *thought* I knew how to use email..." Hull





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 22:56:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Janell Jarman <jarman@digitalpla.net>
Subject: Re: origami sighting?

Carlos Alberto Furuti wrote:
>
> Sorry, perhaps I should have changed the subject (NO)
>
> >>From: Kim Best <kim.best@m.cc.utah.edu>
> >>
> >>Excuse me, I think your susposed to...
> >>
> >>>  Say "Plugh"...
> >>>
> >>
> >>But be careful, the bird might scare your snake away.
>
> XYZZY? Plugh? The bird in the golden cage and the huge green
> fierce snake? How many fellow folders out there have explored
> the Colossal Cave??

Yes, let's hear it...how many have?  Maybe this is something else we all
have in common!  Weird...

> P.S. I ran ADVENT in a deceased PDP-10 mainframe and (shudder)
> LA32 paper terminals...

The old VAX for me...things have sure come a long way, eh?

Janell





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 23:10:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Diagram readability

Tom "Hoot Mon" Hull, indited:

+Mistah D'gou wrote:
+>>>
+Sadly, even today, origami books are being released that insist on
+re-inventing, yet again, origami symbols and terminology.
+<<<
+Ooooo!  I beg to differ at your tone of voice!  Learning origami folds,
+a collection of 3D moves, from a 2D medium is difficult.  Thus, I
+don't think there'll EVER be a *perfect* standardized way to do
+origami diagrams.  If you compare the "BIG 3" with books from
+the early 80s, late 80s and 90s, you'll see a continuing evolution
+of diagramming language.  Heck, the book I'm working on now
+introduces some new symbols - at the suggestion of Sam Randlett
+even!  (He's the copyeditor for the book.)

Ooooo!  I beg to continue to differ.  There is a difference between
"origami diagrams" and origami symbols and terminology.  Do we really
need another name for "Waterbomb base" or "bird base"?  And aren't the
names "mountain fold" and "valley fold" with their standardized
dash-dot-dash and dashed-only lines still clear and meaningful?

+Origami diagram symbols will, and should be continually "re-invented".
+Diagramming, like teaching, is an art in itself and should not
+remain static.

Perhaps, but change for the sake of change, or due to lack of exposure
to the existing body of diagramming, does not represent either an
evolutionary or a revolutionary improvement in diagramming.  Sometimes
it is just different (then why bother?) and often it is worse.

For example, way "back when" even Harbin used a flowing layout of
diagrams, but did so in a way that was and is readable and artistic.
Many Japanese books use the same kind of style, but not as well done.
It is different, but not better.  And then there is "Fascinating
Origami," which has diagrams crammed into the pages any which way and
requires a constant attention to the numbers associated with each
step.  Perhaps that is a form of art...  but I wouldn't recommend it
over existing styles.

If the art gets in the way of utilization of the diagrams, then it is
only art (hmmm, origami diagrams as "art", I wonder when the Met will
first put on a display...  but I digress)

-Daddy-o "Why aren't I foldin' instead of typin'?" D'gou
(Submitted on 8/29/97 at 2010 Eastern US time)





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 23:51:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@fantasyfarm.com>
Subject: Re: origami sighting?

On 29 Aug 97 at 21:08, Janell Jarman wrote:

> > >  Say "Plugh"...
> > >
> >
> > But be careful, the bird might scare your snake away.
>
> Oh, wait...it's right on the tip of my brain.  What IS the name of that
> game???

The original game was called "advent" [only six-char file names and
written in Fortran!].  the very first RPG!  It got ported to a LOT of
other platforms and also spawned a whole slew of successors [probably the
'Zork' games are the best known].

  /bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 06:31:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Diagraming

"Dr. Joel M. Hoffman" <joel@exc.com> sez

>Which raises a question:  is thre any freely-available diagramming
>software?

I use GST Designworks (PC) - it's about UKP20....

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 06:56:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: Allen Parry <parry@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: origami sighting? [NO]

> > > >  Say "Plugh"...
> > >
> > > But be careful, the bird might scare your snake away.
> >
> > Oh, wait...it's right on the tip of my brain.  What IS the name of that
> > game???
>
> The original game was called "advent" [only six-char file names and
> written in Fortran!].  the very first RPG!  It got ported to a LOT of
> other platforms and also spawned a whole slew of successors [probably the

> 'Zork' games are the best known].
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------
In my early years of computers (the 70's) I spent a lot of time
playing this game....too much really.

If anyone would like it.....I have the source code in 'C'.
I have it running on my P.C.

I am surprised after more than twenty years how much of it I still
remember.

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 07:30:22 -0300 (ADT)
From: Clarence Deacons <deke@northnet.org>
Subject: Re: origami sighting?

On 30-Aug-97, Kim Best wrote:

But be careful, the bird might scare your snake away.

and put down the stick before you try to capture the  bird...}8-)





Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 07:30:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: Clarence Deacons <deke@northnet.org>
Subject: RE: origami sighting?

On 30-Aug-97, Sebastian Marius Kirsch wrote:

>Nah, that's just because you didn't train it properly. A dog doesn't sit
>without training, and you expect a piece of mulberry paper to fold simply
>because you tell it to? Even fold itself into a bird base? Perhaps you
>should have started with something simpler like the fish base or the
>blintz. And remember that pre-trained origami paper -- although available

>Some sillyness to enlighten your day, Sebastian
>sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de,skirsch@t-online.de

I'm fairly new at origami but haven't had many problems w/ folding a bird
base....
The only reason I had learnt it was to fold 'syachi hoko' by kazuo choshi and
was
led first to a preliminary fold to the bird base ....Is it really considered a

difficult fold? lol I have the most problems w/ sinks, having to unfold the
entire
model first to put the sink in...8) Oh, I learnt the syachi hoko from 'The New

Origami' by Steve and Megumi Biddle...

                              Clarence Deacons





Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 07:37:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: Clarence Deacons <deke@northnet.org>
Subject: palm leaves and models...

My girlfriend is Catholic and once a year she arrives home w/ a number of palm
leaves under her arm ... she has mentioned that there were old persons in her
parish (since dead) that made roses, crown of thorns and other religious folds
from them...Does anyone know of any folds that I could have for palm leaves? I
would like to compile them for our parish.
  And I was wondering how people in this list give one another patterns for
folds ...I haven't noticed any binaries ...was also wondering if it were
illegal to give someone directions for a fold thats in a copywrited book...
                          aTdHvAaNnKcSe
                                       Clarence Deacons





Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 10:48:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mike and Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: origami sighting?

Carlos Alberto Furuti wrote:
> XYZZY? Plugh? The bird in the golden cage and the huge green
> fierce snake? How many fellow folders out there have explored
> the Colossal Cave??

I first encountered it as ADVENT in 1982 on a VM machine accessed from a
Silent 700 paper terminal.  I even resorted to "decompiling" it to map
out the cave.

I have seen downloadable copies on shareware sites for PC and MAC named
Advent, Adventure, Cave, Colossal Cave, and Humongous Cave.

Funny how that old text based adventure is still around.  I had heard
the the founders of Sierra, the computer games company, got hooked on
adventure games by it.  For those who don't know, Sierra specializes in
adventure type games, like the King's Quest series, Space Quest, Gabriel
Knight, Leisure Suit Larry, etc.

Janet Hamilton

--
mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/





Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 10:59:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: reeds@openix.com (Reeds family)
Subject: LONG-Old European Origami--medieval girdle books

Dear David  Dlister891@AOL.com--Here's another example of early
"paper"folding for practical purposes to add to your files.

In the late Middle Ages, girdle books were a convenient way to carry along
important tables of information in compact form. The book would hang from
your belt (i.e. girdle). Each leaf would be be labeled on the outside, so
you could pick out the sheet you needed. Then you'd unfold that sheet and
all the information would face you.

There are two examples pictured pretty clearly (though the folding is not
explained well) in John E. Murdoch, ALBUM OF SCIENCE: ANTIQUITY AND THE
MIDDLE AGES (NY: Charles Scribner's Sons, 1984)--a wonderful book for
anyone interested in any aspect of early science, by the way. (See also, p.
132, fig. 123--pop-up solid geometry figures in the first English
translation of Euclid's geometry, printed in London 1570, with preface by
John Dee.) Since both mss are in Great Britain, I've given the locations in
case you want to take a look yourself.

*fig  93, an astronomical almanac, with eclipse info for 1462-1470 shown,
"calendrical information and tabular data concerning planetary positions
for the later years of the fifteenth century and beginning of the
sixteenth...arranged in gatherings covering 3 months each." (4 leaves, I
think-- material not specified. I'd think vellum would hold up better than
paper. )  Crawford Library, Royal Observatory, Edinburgh, Ms. 5-7,
perpetual calendar.
Also a 1492 woodcut showing a monk wearing a girdle book.

*fig. 267, a medical vade-mecum ["go-with-me"] from about 1400: zodiacal
tables; a picture of a "zodiac man" showing which parts of the body were
governed by which sign [on another listserve, I recently learned that such
zodiacal anatomical diagrams are still found in popular almanacs]; lunar
and solar eclipse data ranging from 1398-1462; a drawing of a bloodletting
man, with labels to show which veins to use for which disease at what time;
a table of urine flasks; calendar; tables of planetary postions; and brief
explanations. 6 leaves of vellum. Ms in Wellcome Institute, London. (See
Charles H. Talbot, "A Medieval Physician's Vade Mecum," J. History of
Medicine and Allied Sciences, 16 (1961), 213-233, for description and
translation)

Now, the folding: From the photos, I think the two examples use different
folds and methods of attaching the leaves together. Here are my guesses at
how it was done. Note that  vellum has a smoother--recto--side, better for
writing/pictures, and a rougher side--the verso side.  So recto= white
side; the verso= colored side. Because the vellum is thick and many layers
have to fit inside, don't fold quite all the way to the creases--allow some
slack. I give fig. 267 first, because it's simpler.

Fig. 267. For each ORDINARY LEAF:  Take a piece of vellum about 14 inches
by 6 inches. "Writing side/recto" facing up, rectangle oriented vertically
1. Valley fold the two short ends to meet, making a horizontal crease
across the middle (Murdoch says "folding once lengthwise" which confused
me. I'd say "crosswise.")
2. Unfold.
3. Valley-fold the long sides to divide the vellum lengthwise into
thirds--ie, the creases will parallel the long sides.
4. Unfold.
5. Write your info on the full recto sheet, which is now conveniently
divided into six  columns-worth of space.
6. Valley fold the right-hand third over the center and write and write
more info on the blank verso that is now showing.
7. Then valley-fold the  left-hand fold over it and write even more info on
the blank verso now showing. Valley fold the raw bottom edge to the top,
and write the label for the leaf.
8. Unfold completely, so recto side is facing you again.

Binding:
1. Poke holes at the two intersections of the  creases, ie.e. at the ends
of the center-third of the crosswise crease.
2. Run a thong through one hole, from the underside of the vellum towards
you, so it rests in the center third of the crosswise crease, and then goes
down through the second hole to dangle on the verso of the vellum.
3. Turn the leaf over and knot the thong so the loop holding the leaf is
snug but doesn't bend the sheet.  Refold the leaf.
4. The leaf  now hangs from the thong. When you lift up the leaf to you,
the label will be right-side-up.
5. Repeat for each leaf. I can't tell for sure if the thongs get
intertwined as each leaf is finished or whether they are held together at
the end and another thong wrapped around them (I think the second).
+++++++++++++++++

Fig. 93. You will need scissors or a knife for this one. I have improvised
the Cover Leaf variation.
For each ordinary leaf: Take a piece of vellum about 14 inches by 6 inches.
"Writing side/recto" facing up, rectangle oriented vertically.
ORDINARY LEAF
1. Valley fold top (short) edge down to about 2 inches from bottom edge.
I'll call the excess at the bottom "the margin".
2. Valley fold left side to right to make middle vertical crease and unfold
this step only.
3. Cupboard-fold the left and right sides almost to the middle crease and
unfold this step only.
Now the vellum is doubled over, with verso facing up, divided into vertical
quarters, with the margin  vellum at the bottom, close to you, of the
hidden  half. Number the vertical quarters from left to right as Sections
1, 2, 3, 4 .
4. Make a tab out of the margin of Section 3 (right-hand inside quarter) by
cutting off the margin  for Sections 1, 2, and 4. Medieval folks would
probably have saved the cut-off bits for book markers, binding
reinforcements, or patches. (Alternatively: Just cut two slits up the
creases outlining Section 3--cutting from the bottom edge of the margin up
to the raw edge of the top layer. Then you can fold up the margin over the
bottom raw edge of Sections 1, 2, and 4, leaving Section 3's bit down as a
tab. )
5. Unfold completely, keeping Section 3 tab close to you. Write your data
in the 8 sections of the recto side.
6.Fold top half down again, and write in the 4 sections of verso side that
is now uppermost.
7.Valley fold Section 4 to the left to rest on Section 3. Write more stuff
on the blank section no exposed.
8.Valley fold Section 1 to the right to cover Section 2, and write on the
blank section now exposed.
9. Again valley-fold left-most section, to rest on top of back of Section
4,  and write label for the whole leaf  on blank section (i.e back of
Section 2). You have now got all the layers resting on Section 3 and hidden
all long raw edges inside the leaf. And this leaf is ready for binding.
 (Note: If I were inventing this, I'd tuck the section 1/2  layers inside
the pocket of Section 4--it leaves one raw edge exposed, but locks
everything tight. If you go this route, then the label has to go on the
back side of Section 4 rather than the back side of Section 2.)

10.Write/Fold all the ordinary leaves the same way. Pile the folded
ordinary  leaves on top of each other, with same orientation, i.e. tab on
underside, folded layers on top, opening to the right if you haven't used
the lock.

COVER LEAF: The last leaf will provide 1+ page worth of writing surface as
well as make a kind of dust jacket for the whole girdle book. It helps if
the starting sheet is a bit wider than the leaves, because it has to wrap
all the way around them.
1. Recto side up. Valley fold top (short) edge down to about 2 inches from
bottom edge. I'll call the excess at the bottom "the margin."  Unfold,
write stuff on recto side, leaving margin blank. Refold.
2. Turn model over so the layer with the margin is uppermost. You now see
the verso side.
3. Valley fold left side to right to make middle vertical crease and unfold
this step only.
4. Stack all the other leaves on the Cover Leaf to the left of the middle
vertical crease, so that their layers face upwards, opening to the right.
Their bottom edges should be aligned with each other and with the raw
bottom edge of the Cover Leaf (hidden as bottom-most layer of everything).
All the tabs should be close to you.
5.  Valley-fold the left side of Cover Leaf comfortably over the leaves.
This will be more of a curve than a crease. This flap won't reach as far as
the middle vertical crease.
6. Valley-fold the right-hand half of the cover leaf (to the left)
comfortably over the stacked leaves and their layer of Cover Leaf. A flap
of the Cover Leaf is now sticking off to the left of the wrapped stack of
leaves.
7. Mountain fold the left-hand Cover Leaf flap inside the model, so that
the crease aligns with the left-hand folded edges of the wrapping below it.
The blank verso surface now exposed will be the Title Page for the girdle
book and  the Label Page for the contents of the Cover Leaf. Write Title
and Label.
8. Adjust all the curves of the Cover Leaf into spines, so that the top
cover rests flat on everything else.
9. Open top of Cover Leaf to the right. Now the Cover Leaf looks like  a
loosely closed cupboard-door, with the lefthand door resting on top of the
other leaves.Write stuff on the two doors (the equivalents of dust-jacket
flaps ).
10. Open lefthand cupboard door of the Cover Leaf. The other leaves are
still resting on the section immediately to the left of the center line.
11. Cut slits in the margin of the Cover Leaf upward from the bottom edge
to the hidden edge to make 4 tabs. Number the Cover Leaf Tabs from left to
right, 1, 2, 3, 4.  (You are looking at their Verso side now.)  Tab 3 will
be used for binding.
12. Mountain-fold Cover Leaf Tabs 1 and 4 behind to hide the raw edge of
the bottom-most layer. Valley-fold Cover Leaf Tab 2 upward so it is hidden
under the regular leaves. (Alternatively: cut off Tabs 1, 2, 4.)  The tabs
of the regular leaves should hang down toward you. So does Tab 3 of Cover
Leaf.
13. Refold cupboard doors of the Cover Leaf--it will look like Step 9 again.
14. Fold right-hand side of Cover Leaf over left-hand side. Now the Title
Page should be facing you,  and the RECTO of Cover Leaf Tab 3 is resting on
top of all the tabs of the regular leaves. The tabs will be used for
binding the Cover Leaf and regular leaves together.
15. Put the middle of a thong across the bottom edge of the pile of tabs,
letting the thong ends dangle on either side of the girdl ebook.  Roll the
bottom edge of the tabs--treating them as one thick tab--around the thong
about 1/3 to 1/2 way up the tab. Don't roll all the way up or it will be
hard to fold out the dust-jacket sides. Sew a seam to hold the roll in
place.
16. The girdle book is ready to hang from your belt by the thong. When you
lift up the girdle book, the title page will be right-side-up and wrapped
around the other leaves. The Cover Leaf and each leaf can be unfolded
separately to be read.

Karen
reeds@openix.com





Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 12:49:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
Subject: Rob Neale's dragon

Okay, I give up.  Are there any sources for Bob Neale's dragon other than
_Mythical Beings_ (this book was published in 1992... how can it already
be out of print?)?

--Chinh Nguyen chinhsta@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu

"I was never more hated than when I tried to be honest.  Or when, even as
        just now I've tried to articulate exactly what I felt to be the
        truth."  -- Ralph Ellison, _The Invisible Man_





Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 13:31:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Marius Kirsch)
Subject: Re: Diagram readability (was Re: Cat model (Was German Shepherd model))

On Fri, 29 Aug 1997, Daddy-o D'gou wrote:
> example), but rather each sub step is a compound thing, showing a crimp
> or pleat with no obvious landmarks or intermediate steps to help locate
> or execute the indicated maneuver.

But that's not a problem of diagramming style, but one of folding style.
When the model is folded with few landmarks, it will be hard to follow,
regardless of how it was diagrammed. When the diagrams fail to show a
landmark, that's a different thing, of course, but I don't think that
this is the major problem with older diagrams.

>  Even more irritating is that one
> often most look many (not just one) steps ahead to see where the paper
> should have gone, since the crease locations are not often geometricly
> correct.

Geometrically incorrect diagrams are alway annoying, but then that's one
of the virtues of CAD (Computer-Aided Diagramming :-) as well: I think
it's harder to draw geometrically correct diagrams by hand than it is with
a computer.

> It is hard enough to remember, or imagine, as the case may be, how much
> of an improvement the "BIG 3" represent compared to what went before.

.. and also compared to what came afterwards. Bad diagrammers are always
there (I've just recently seen a very bad one), but the BIG 3 certainly
made a standard other diagrammers could follow.

Yours, Sebastian               sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de,skirsch@t-online.de





Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 14:27:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: "NIGEL POTTLE, TEACHER LIBRARIAN, JAMES FOWLER SENIOR HIGH"@Owl.nstn.ca
Subject: Origami platypuses (platypi?)

Hello everyone,
I have been off the list for the summer, so look forward to reading all
the messages coming up for the fall. I do have a request though. I have been
asked if I can find a folding diagram for a Platypus. Does anyone know if
there is such a paper creature diagrammed somewhere? And if you do, is there
some way of getting the diagrams? I have a fairly large collection of origami
books and I have only found the usual kangaroos and koalas from Australia.

I do not have any of those wonderful collections from Origami USA and I was
wondering if any were lurking there?

If you can help, you can email me privately, unless of course you feel the
whole list will benefit from the info.

Thanks,
Nigel Pottle
npottle@cbe.ab.ca





Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 15:19:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: Origami platypuses (platypi?)

At 02:27 PM 8/30/97 -0300, "NIGEL POTTLE, TEACHER LIBRARIAN, JAMES FOWLER
SENIOR HIGH"@owl.nstn.ca wrote:

>I have been off the list for the summer, so look forward to reading all
>the messages coming up for the fall. I do have a request though. I have been
>asked if I can find a folding diagram for a Platypus. Does anyone know if
>there is such a paper creature diagrammed somewhere? And if you do, is there
>some way of getting the diagrams? I have a fairly large collection of origami
>books and I have only found the usual kangaroos and koalas from Australia.
>
>I do not have any of those wonderful collections from Origami USA and I was
>wondering if any were lurking there?

Yes, in the 1996 Anuall Collection, David Chan's "Platypus is included. I
have also seen the model folded by David himself, and it is very good. I
also have my own "Pureland Platypus," wich was diagramed for an old
OrigamiUSA newsletter.

Marc





Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 16:19:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: nienhuis@wgn.net (Bob Nienhuis)
Subject: Re: Origami platypuses (platypi?)

> I have been
>asked if I can find a folding diagram for a Platypus. Does anyone know if
>there is such a paper creature diagrammed somewhere? And if you do, is there
>some way of getting the diagrams?
>
>I do not have any of those wonderful collections from Origami USA and I was
>wondering if any were lurking there?
>
>Nigel Pottle
>npottle@cbe.ab.ca
>
On the money! I believe there is a Platypus in the 1997 OUSA annual
collection. OUSA now has a website, they can be reached at:

http://www.origami-usa.org/

Bob Nienhuis
nienhuis@wgn.net





Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 16:48:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: reeds@openix.com (Reeds family)
Subject: pERISHING and whining

dear vicki,

i am so jealous of the fact that you and ali are at school.  i can't
remember being more bored in my entire life.  as i type this incredibly
dull email (you wanted 2 emails, you'll get 2 emails) i am waiting for
steve to come and pick me up, but knowing steve, i shall be waiting much
longer. of course, being steve, all tardiness is almost imediately
forgiven.    even my email stalker is on vacation so i cant -now eagerly-
wait for his next message.  i am almost wanting jeff to call, but i still
havent forgiven him for the mosquito bites. I just read that misquitos can
transmit encephalitis, so i am, of course, worrying.

without a doubt, your new life is infinitely better, hell anything would
be, except if Meredith Mandell and Allisa Goodkin were here keeeping me
company.

love,
liz

still waiting for steve.............................





Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 20:23:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mike and Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Rob Neale's dragon

Chinh Nguyen wrote:
>
> Okay, I give up.  Are there any sources for Bob Neale's dragon other than
> _Mythical Beings_ (this book was published in 1992... how can it already
> be out of print?)?

In _The Flapping Bird_, by Samuel Randlett, available from OUSA.  It is
a compilation of origami monthlies of the same name.  See the issue
identified as Number 5.

Janet Hamilton

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 21:13:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: Bryan Feir <jenora@istar.ca>
Subject: Re: origami sighting?

On Fri, 29 Aug 1997, Carlos Alberto Furuti wrote:

> XYZZY? Plugh? The bird in the golden cage and the huge green
> fierce snake? How many fellow folders out there have explored
> the Colossal Cave??

   Oh, I expect a number of us have...  actually, my first exposure to it
was a stripped-down version sold as 'Pyramid' for the Tandy Coco.

   Knew a guy who had 'XYZZY' as a vanity licence plate.

   Hmmm, should get out that green plastic report cover material I've used
for origami jewels and try doing an emerald the size of a plover's egg...

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Bryan Feir           VA3GBF|"This Santa Claus business is played out.  It's a
bryan@sgl.ists.ca          | sneaking, underhand method, and the sooner it's
jenora@istar.ca            | exposed the better."     -- Stephen Leacock





Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 23:24:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: Rob Neale's dragon

Mythical Beings was "remaindered" (put out for sale
by used/discount stores and on sales tables) with almost
record speed. I was amazed. My favorite local used/remainder
book store had a large number of copies several months ago
and I posted a notice here; the store owner filled many
mail orders to as far away as Australia. You could try a few
such stores in your area. Also try the on line bookstore,
amazon.com

Valerie_Vann@compuserve.com





Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 23:57:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Treasure Ship/Horaizan/Immortals (Long)

>

>Now to my questions:  So far I've only found two origami models of
>Horaizan.  1. A gomashio wrapper used for weddings in Honda's
>_Noshi_ and 2. a crane and tortoise on a helmet by Yoshinga Ogawa,
>circa 1868-1912 from a 3:2 rectangle in Harbin's _Secrets of Origami_.
>Are there any others?  Do we know how old the Honda example is?
>

>I've only been able to pick up bits and pieces of the meaning of
>"Horaizon" from very disparate sources like Kyoto garden books, kimono
>prints, American novels, and hints in religion books.  Is my understanding
>about Horaizan correct?? That it is a place in the physical world of
>youth/longevity and that the crane and tortoise symbolize it due to their
>longevity and proper behaviors which humans should imitate. That the
>immortals live there, and it may consist of three islands(?) with
>mountains.   Am I anywhere close? :-}
>
>Thanks to any who my be able to correct my gaps in understanding or
>share information on other Horaizon models.
>
>Kristine Tomlinson
>ktomlinson@platinum.com
>Waltham, MA, USA

Kristine,  I found Horaizan in my dictionaries.  According to Chinese
legend it is a holy  place in the western ocen where sennin are said to
live.  It also refers to a decorative representation of a sacred mountain,
made up of shochikubai (pine, bamboo, plum blossom), kame-zuru (turtle and
crane--long living animals) and used on cermonial occasions.  Sennin refers
to the ideal person in Taoism.   Lives in the mountain and is ageless and
immortal and has strange powers.  For more information it might help to
look up taoism or the teachings  of Laotsse.  Hope this helps.  Jim Sakoda





Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 00:11:07 -0300 (ADT)
From: Simon Burchill <Simon.Burchill@jcu.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Folding time as a measure of complexity

Dennis Walker commented (my paraphrase):
The suggestion was that the measurement would be in 'flapping birds' or
'cranes'. Each folder would know how long one of the above model woud take
to complete and so would be able to guage the new models folding time and
complexity

Which type of flapping bird is the benchmark?

The one made from the bird-base or the one made from the waterbomb-base?

Alternately, as a measure of complexity, you could unfold the model and
count the creases...

Simon.

email: Simon.Burchill@jcu.edu.au
