




Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:40:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Cat model (Was German Shepherd model)

Kevin Kinney wrote:
+Just to plug a good model that hasn't been mentioned (I think) here,
+"Facinating Origami" by V. Palacios, just recently (re-)released, contains
+a nifty cat.

+The book is of models by Adolfo Cerceda, and contains lots of other
+relatively simple, but by no means abstract models.
+use odd shapes, and yes, a couple require cuts.  Still worth it, as far as
+I'm concerned, if only for that cat..., and some great birds.

I'd agree, there is a lot crammed into that book, and it is very
inexpensive.  My one complaint is that the diagrams are so packed in
that they can be hard to follow unless you pay very close to the
numbering, there is no consistent style to the way the steps are laid
out on the page.  This is my only complaint about that book.

-D'gou
(Submitted on 8/27/97 at 16:40 Eastern US time)





Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:51:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@ahand.unicamp.br>
Subject: Re: Availability of "Folding the Universe"

Hi folders,

Probably the list will be flooded by similar messages, but
anyway for newcomers, "Folding the Universe" was reprinted by Dover
a few years ago under the title "Origami from Angelfish to Zen",
ISBN0486281388 (they even kept that format instructions-on-a-page/
diagrams-on-the-next).
As usual with Dover books:
- it's fairly easy to find and quite unexpensive, check e.g. the
  Origami Source
- eons will pass before it gets out-of-print

So this one sure IS a legendary, fabled, fabulous, insightful BUT
easily available book!

        Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:29:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Janell Jarman <jarman@digitalpla.net>
Subject: Re: Cat model (Was German Shepherd model)

Kevin Kinney wrote:

> "Facinating Origami" by V. Palacios, just recently (re-)released,
>
> The book is of models by Adolfo Cerceda,(I
> don't think the famous Pig is in there, but there are several others)

Which is "the famous Pig"?  There are two pigs in it and also a dollar
bill bow tie (someone asked about bow ties awhile ago).

Janell





Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:39:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@ahand.unicamp.br>
Subject: Re: Request for a model.

Looking for scorpions?

I IMHO find Robert Lang's model in "Origami Insects and their
kin" much easier than Engel's. In a crude comparison:
- most of Engels' model development is symmetrical and there are
  way many layers. It's quite easy forgetting to turn the model
  over and folding some steps the wrong way out.
- the legs in Lang's model are spread along the whole body, and not
  concentrated near the head (but then again, the legs in Engel's
  are a little on the short side)
- overall, Lang's finished model is quite larger and is fairly
  doable with 10in kami the first time. Engel's almost requires foil.

A very good scorpion, also by R. Lang, is in The Complete Book of
Origami (I find it a good balance between realism and, well, call
me weird - cuteness). The only unusual thing is the very start when
you're expected to divide 180 degrees by seven (I confess - when
I fold it for showing I use an angle ruler).

You can find a rather convincing legless scorpion in the second
booklet (Pliages 2) of the French origami society - sorry, I forgot
the model's author.

Jerry Harris (am I mistaken or Jerry was absent from the list lately?)
published a full-legged scorpion in an OrigamiUSA annual collection.

        Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:52:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: Janell Jarman <jarman@digitalpla.net>
Subject: Re: Availability of "Folding the Universe"

Carlos Alberto Furuti wrote:
>
> Hi folders,
>
> Probably the list will be flooded by similar messages, but
> anyway for newcomers, "Folding the Universe" was reprinted by Dover
> a few years ago under the title "Origami from Angelfish to Zen",
> ISBN0486281388

Amazon has it:

Origami from Angelfish to Zen
                    by Peter Engel

                    reprint*NR Edition
                    Paperback, 248 pages
                    Published by Dover Pubns
                    Publication date: September 1, 1994
                    Dimensions (in inches): 11.95 x 9.07 x .68
                    ISBN: 0486281388
                    List: $12.95 ~ Our Price: $10.36 ~ You Save: $2.59
(20%)
                    Availability: This item usually ships within 2-3
days.





Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:10:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com>
Subject: Cerceda

Cerceda's name has come up several times today as well as appearing in the
Harbin book I just bought.  How is this (his?) name pronounced? I know I've
heard it, but there's too many possible pronunciations for me to decide
which
one sounds "right."

I know, not the easiest thing to transmit via e-mail, but surely not
impossible?!

Thanks.

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:15:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: For GB readers only

Short notice, but I'm appearing on the Big Breakfast show (Channel 4)
this Thursday morning (ie. tomorrow!) if any has the stamina to get up &
wait. I'll be plugging the BOS, the York con & the Airplane contest.

Last time I saw myself on telly I looked a *right berk*, (no comment
thanks Penny!) so be prepared.

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:07:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Janell Jarman <jarman@digitalpla.net>
Subject: Re: Kawahata Beetle Book

Jerry D. Harris wrote:
>
> >Jerry D. Harris wrote:
> >> (as a famous six-year-old once said) obey
> >> the inscrutable exhortations of his/her soul.
> >>
> >
> >Who???
>
>         Why, Calvin, of course!  (Of Calvin and Hobbes...)  8-D

Oh!  Of course!  I should have known...I recognized your name from a
circulating "funny" I got a few weeks ago.  :)





Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:12:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: Cathy Palmer-Lister <cathypl@generation.net>
Subject: composite/modular ( Beetle Book)

Oh, good pont.  I always said, "modular" but I think composite is a much
better word to describe origami made with more than one sheet.

On the same tack, I finally saw Origami in King Arthur's Court.(Montrealers,
take note--it's at Chapters)    I was really impressed by what I saw on
their website, and maybe that's why I was disappinted when I saw the book.
I don't mind composite projects, especially when I work with kids, but I
thought the results could have been a lot better considering how much paper
they had to work with.

                                                                Cathy

>>Modular beetles????
>
>        Unless all the pieces assembled to make these beetle models are
>identical (I haven't seen the book), then they aren't modular -- they are
>composite.
>

>Jerry D. Harris





Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:14:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: Cathy Palmer-Lister <cathypl@generation.net>
Subject: Re: John Montroll is AN ALIEN ! !

At 03:52 PM 1997-08-27 -0300, you wrote:
>I am getting really tired of all this stereotyping!  Why must you people
>assume that someone with a few extra appendages is an alien???  I'm sure
>we've all known humans who have two left feet or who are all thumbs, so
>what's wrong with having two right hands or being all fingers?

Well, I've been told I have a green thumb......does that make me semi-alien?

                                        Cathy





Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:02:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Rattlesnake

Richard of Foong <ryf@ecr.mu.oz.au> sez

>Where can I get hold of Peter Engels rattlesnake?

By the tail, I'd suggest. Sorry - couldn't resist ;)

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:24:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: Elizabeth George <EMGeorge@classic.msn.com>
Subject: "hands" folding bases -- Shafer

Someone mentioned the hands folding "bases", check out this year's Annual
Collection, Jeremy Shafer has diagrams for several variation, really neat!





Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:36:34 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mike and Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Old European Origami (Reply to David Cohen).

DLister891@aol.com wrote:
> David mentions the Pyramids. At any rate, the Pyramids are pretty tangible,
> so we have _something_ to work on with them, unlikepaper and things made with
> paper which, unless carefuly preserved, detriorate in a matter of weeks.
(snip)
> It is the same with the history as so humble a subject as paperfolding.  But
> in the history of paperfolding we don't have even the pyramids to signpost
> our way.

I still find that this situation is somewhat unusual.  After all, we do
have quite a bit of paper preserved from the past centuries, and even
millenia, in the form of scrolls, manuscripts, and books.  Why no
origami?  And more puzzling, if paper was first developed as a device of
saving and disseminating written communication, why was no information
about origami written down, other than the books such as the Kayaragusa
(Kan no mado), which is still recent relative to the development of
paper?

Even if we conjecture that the purpose of many early models was to be
impermanent (to be burned at funerals or hung outside Shinto temples), I
would still expect that our ancestors would have seen it's potential as
art, as they obviously did with other mediums such as metal, pottery,
textile, and basketry.  Even these last two are notoriously difficult to
preserve, and yet we have many ancient examples of these arts.

I wonder if someday, an ancient book will be unearthed from some desert
or mountain cave, and when it is opened, origami models will fall out...

Janet Hamilton

--
mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/





Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:57:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pam and/or Namir <pgraben@umich.edu>
Subject: Awesome Origami

I saw a post from Ronnie White concerning Awesome Origami.  The post included
a very nice index with creators.  This was very helpful, but being the grredy
fool I am, I was wondering if someone could provide a few more details about
the book, as an incentive to get it!

Such as, what is the levels of complexities of the models, and maybe some
small descriptions (what's a balloon man?)
This sounds like a really cool book, and I'm right at that brink of deciding
where to scare up some money to get it!

Thanks...Namir

!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-
Pamela Graben:     Thinking... what a concept!
Namir Gharaibeh:  "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."
pgraben@umich.edu





Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:43:01 -0300 (ADT)
From: Ronnie White <ronew@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Awesome Origami

At 09:57 PM 8/27/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I saw a post from Ronnie White concerning Awesome Origami.  The post included
>a very nice index with creators.  This was very helpful, but being the grredy
>fool I am, I was wondering if someone could provide a few more details about
>the book, as an incentive to get it!
>
>Such as, what is the levels of complexities of the models, and maybe some
>small descriptions (what's a balloon man?)
>This sounds like a really cool book, and I'm right at that brink of deciding
>where to scare up some money to get it!

The book is diagrams compiled by J.C. Nolan from yound folders. The two
models in the book by Michael LaFosse are models he created when he was
12-14 years old.  The complexity ranges from Simple+ to intermediate+. It's
actually two books in one, volume I and volume II together. One side is
volume I, turn the book over and volume II is on the back. If you want super
complex models, this book is not for you, but if you want a book with lots
of very nice models at a good price this is it.
Ron White
ronew@mindspring.com

"Never underestimate the incredible destructive power of origami"

                                                  Earthworm Jim





Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:07:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: Awesome Origami

At 09:57 PM 8/27/97 -0300, Pam and/or Namir <pgraben@umich.edu> wrote:

>Such as, what is the levels of complexities of the models, and maybe some
>small descriptions (what's a balloon man?)

Some of the models are at the high intermediate level, with the vast
majority of them at the low to mid intermediate level.

The "Ballon Man" is perhaps the weirdest model in the series. It is
essentially a model of a headless man. It was desigmed to lock securely on
the base if a ballon, to act as the model's head. When a helium ballon is
used, the weight of the model keeps the entire structure in some sort of
weird floating limbo (as the model's description elaborates on). Apparently
this is the sort of thing only a young deranged origamist could come up with.

I reccomend this book, if only as an inspiration to other young folders out
there. It is not of "coffee-table" quality production, but most of the
models are pretty good.

Marc





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 00:05:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
Subject: Re: Rattlesnake

On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Nick Robinson wrote:

> Richard of Foong <ryf@ecr.mu.oz.au> sez
>
> >Where can I get hold of Peter Engels rattlesnake?
>
> By the tail, I'd suggest. Sorry - couldn't resist ;)

Actually, you should always try and grab a snake--especially a venomous
snake--right behind the head.  No nasty bites that way, paper or otherwise





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 00:12:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mr & Mrs Owen <djowen@pcl.net>
Subject: Re: Kawahata Beetle Book

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Yes, Mr. Wu I agree with you.   I am a novice folder but I have understood
the beauty in origami was
spiritual.  The model's beauty is it's spiritual reflection of nature.
Therefore, the impact the model has on a person (the impression it leaves)
is it's beauty. Either simple or complex is not important.
mother of the folder
joyce

----------
> From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject: Re: Kawahata Beetle Book
> Date: Tuesday, August 26, 1997 7:10 PM
>
> On Tue, 26 Aug 1997 JacAlArt@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Dude -- it's not about being MORE representational! I don't care if the
> > METHOD is "easy" or "mega-super-mondo-complex"! I want teeth, toes,
> > extremities, fingers, eyes, ears... I don't want to guess or imagine
"gee --
> > I guess that's the face". I want to SEE it in detail! The beauty (to
me) is
> > the ability to reconstruct something from nature in as much detail as
> > possible -- from one uncut sqaure. Simple fact -- you can't do this
with a
> > simple model! By definition --  a simple model WOULD NOT HAVE THE
DETAIL!
> > Fine -- I won't call them "complex" models. How about "DETAILED"
models?
> > Okay?! Then the Kawahata beetles achieve very few details. It is only
with
> > multiple sheets that a simple detail like LEGS are achieved! No thanks.
I
> > want DETAILED models -- I dont care how you classify the folding
sequence.
>
> Dude--that's not what Kawahata's trying to do. He's TRYING to design
> things that are easier to fold. (Unfortunately, like Yamaguchi said, he's

> not as good at desiging easier models than he is a designing complex
> ones.) Quite simply, don't buy his book if you don't like those models!
>
> As for beauty, your definition of beauty is not only limited in its
scope,
> it is impossible. As Robert Lang has often pointed out, there are
> limitations to how much "realism" can be achieved, and that there are
> always decisions that must be made as to what features to include and
> what features to exclude. It is not possible to represent every hair on
> an animal, not to mention internal organs!
>
> As for simple designs, there is a real art to them: how to boil the
> features down to the bare minimum, representing the object being
> modelled cleanly and tersely. It is a different discipline in origami
> design and includes much beauty that cannot be achieved with
> complex/detailed design.
>
> Finally, if you must use long dashes '--', represented by a double hyphen

> in ASCII (or on a typewriter), it is not correct to put spaces around it.

> It should be touching the words next to it.
>
>           Joseph Wu           It's your privilege as an artist to inflict
>   origami@planet.datt.co.jp   the pain of creativity on yourself. We can
>  Webmaster, the Origami Page  teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach
> http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami you how YOU paint. There's More Than One
Way
>                               To Do It. Have the appropriate amount of
fun.
>                                           --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:28:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Re: composite/modular ( Beetle Book)

>Oh, good pont.  I always said, "modular" but I think composite is a much
>better word to describe origami made with more than one sheet.

        Well...both words apply, but to different styles of origami.
Modular origami is that in which a number of identical, usually geometric,
pieces are assembled to make the final model (which is also usually
geometric). Composite origami, on the other hand, is that in which the
pieces used to assemble the model are very different from each other --
good examples would be most of the two-piece animal models in which, for
example, the head and front legs are made from one piece of paper, and the
hind legs and tail are made from another.

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Southern Methodist University
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:36:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steven Casey <scasey@enternet.com.au>
Subject: Re: German Shepherd model?

At 04:15 PM 27/08/97 -0300, Michael Wareman wrote:
>Hello Steven:
>
 My girlfriend  loves
>cats, and I have not found too many good cat origami models.  If you have
>some good cat models I would like to see them as well!

I do have some hand drawn diagrams for a cat,  which eventually I'll diagram
on computer. The cat which is in a stretching pose, is designed from a fish
base.
Email me privately, if you'd like a copy.

Doggy models I have diagramed (hand drawn) are:

 Dachshund
 Bull dog
 Corgi
 Scotty
 Pekinese
 Labrador
 Husky

Steven Casey

scasey@enternet.com.au
Melbourne Australia





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:28:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kevin Kinney <kkinney@mail.carolinas.org>
Subject: Re: Cat model (Was German Shepherd model)

>Kevin Kinney wrote:
>
>> "Facinating Origami" by V. Palacios, just recently (re-)released,
>>
>> The book is of models by Adolfo Cerceda,(I
>> don't think the famous Pig is in there, but there are several others)
>
>Which is "the famous Pig"?  There are two pigs in it and also a dollar
>bill bow tie (someone asked about bow ties awhile ago).
>
>Janell

Opps, I should have been less allusive.

The "famous pig" to which I was referring is one in "Secrets of Origami"
(just re-released-It was my first "real origami" book.  Check it out),
labelled "Adolfo's Pig."  It is a *very* nifty two-piece pig, glued
together (Sr. Cerceda seemed to do a lot of this sort.  Plus a lot of
birds.  Maybe it came from being a stage magician, and spending time making
birds appear and sawing people in half :)  ).

*Anyway,* the reason I call it "the famous pig" is that Engel (In "folding
the Universe", which is now called "Origami from Angelfish to Zen"),
mentions that this pig was the subject of a heated dispute between Cerceda
and Akira Yoshizawa, both of whom claimed to have invented it.  Engel gave
both the benefit of the doubt, and used the pig as a basis for his premise
that origami patterns are discovered, not invented (that is, the pattern is
a naturally existing entity, not a fabrication).

Caveat:  It has been a few years since I read "Folding," so I may be
mis-remembering.  And I may have mis-interpreted some of what I read.  And
even if neither of these, I'm basing all of this on a single reference:
Engel.  I'll take the knows if I'm doing either of the first two.  And if
this story is a myth I'm passing on, someone please correct me...

Kevin Kinney

Kevin Kinney
kkinney@carolinas.org





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:42:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: ROBINMACEY@aol.com
Subject: BOS 30th Anniversary Convention

            British Origami Society 30th Anniversary Convention
                    York, England - 19 to 21 September 1997

Just a brief reminder that the deadline for making bookings for the above
convention is next Monday 1 September. Looks like it will be the biggest and
best European convention ever held with folders from at least a dozen
different countries attending. Some of the many "big" names currently
attending include Akira Yoshizawa, Alfredo Guinta, Michael La Fosse, Paul
Jackson, Max Hulme. Convention is being held only minutes walk away from the
famous York Minister. York is the most popular tourist location in England
outside London and there are many different activities to do.

You do not have to be a member of the British Origami Society to attend. For
further details and also to book by email contact the BOS membership
secretary:

Penny Groom email   penny@sector.demon.co.uk

or have a look at the BOS web page at   http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/

Dates for 1998 conventions in England have also now been fixed. These are:

               4 & 5 April 1998 Beeches Conference Centre, Birmingham

              19 & 20 September 1998 Florence Boot Hall, Nottingham
University

Cheers

Robin Macey
email  robinmacey@aol.com
Nottingham, England

PS If any overseas folders attending want any information about train and bus
times before or after the convention to help plan their trips to England
please email me personally and I will do my best to help.

Overseas attending might also like to know there will be local meetings in
Birmingham on the Sunday after the convention (28 Sept) and in London on the
Saturday before convention (13 Sept).





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:21:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mark Morden <marmonk@eskimo.com>
Subject: origami trivia

On Jeopardy! last night came this bit of trivia.  The word "diploma" is
greek for folded paper.  Does that mean that those who engage in origami are
being "diplomatic?"

Mark

Mark Morden == marmonk@mail.eskimo.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~marmonk/
--------------------------------------------------------
Trust the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your
own understanding;
In all your ways acknowledge Him, and he will make your
paths straight.                      Proverbs 3:5,6





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:42:12 -0300 (ADT)
From: RA Kennedy <kennedra@isdugp.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: BOS Booklets

I append the list of BOS booklets:

                  BOS  Booklets
                   +++++++++++++

Booklet     Author      Title

   1     John Smith     Notes on the History of Origami
   2     John Smith     Notes on Origami and Mathematics
   3     David Lister   History of the British Origami Society and
                             Paperfolding in Britain
   4     John Smith     An Origami Instruction Language
   5     John Smith     Teaching Origami
   6     Mick Guy       Geometric Division
   7     Mick Guy &     Chess Sets of Martin Wall, Max Hulme and Neal
         Dave Venables       Elias
   8     John Cunliffe  Napkin Folds
   9     Ray Bolt       Origami and Magic
  10     Dave Venables  Neil Elias: Selected Works (1964-1973)
  11     Paul Jackson   Flexagons
  12     Martin Wall    Martin Wall: Early Works (1970-1979)
  13     Thoki Yenn     Orikata
* 14     John Smith     Pureland Origami
* 15     Dave Venables  Max Hulme: Selected Works (1973-1979)
* 16     Paul Jackson   18 of my Paper Folds
  17     Mick Guy &     Origami Games
         Paul Jackson
* 18     Paul Jackson   Philip Shen: Selected Geometric Paperfolds
  19     Daniel Mason   Anthony O'Hare: Creations
* 20     Paul Jackson   Origami Christmas Tree Decorations
  21     John Cunliffe  The Silver Rectangle
  22     John Smith     In Praise of the Bird Base
  23     John Cunliffe  Index 1 to 100
  24     John Cunliffe  Index 101 to 120
* 25     John Cunliffe  Envelope and Letter Folding
* 26     Edwin Corrie   Animal Origami
  27     Jeff Beynon    Origami
  28 Gwyneth Radcliffe  Origami to Begin With
* 29     John Smith     Pureland Origami 2
* 30     Dave Petty     Paper People and other Pointers
* 31     Jeff Beynon    More 'Igami
  32     John Smith     Patterns in Paper
  33     Edwin Corrie   Animal Origami 2
* 34 ed. Dave Venables  Neal Elias's Miscellaneous Folds 1
* 35 ed. Dave Venables  Neal Elias's Miscellaneous Folds 2
* 36 ed. Dave Venables  Neal Elias's Faces and Busts
* 37     Jeff Beynon    Jef Ori' 3
* 38     Jeff Beynon    Four 'Igami
* 39     Edwin Corrie   Animal Origami 3
* 40     Dave Petty     The Genius of Jan Willem Derksen
  41     Dave Petty     Convention Packs Index 1989-1991
* 42     Larry Hart     Larry Hart: Selected Works (1971-1991)
* 43     John Smith     Pureland 3
* 44     Jeff Beynon    Multiplication
  45     Dave Petty     The Origami of Stephen Palmer
* 46     Dave Petty     Modular Construction and Twists
* 47     Eric Kenneway  ABC of Origami

* 99     Paul Jackson   10 Simple Paper Folds: Origami for Beginners

* These are the ones I have, and I can supply further information about
these.

I think there is at least one missing from the end of this list.

I do hope that Nick Robinson will use his position on the BOS Council to
express with VIGOUR the great frustration that the members of Origami-l,
and many members of the BOS feel regarding the non-availability of many
of these booklets. The greatest present that the BOS could give to the
world of origami on the occasion of its 30th birthday would in my opinion
be to make ALL its publications ALWAYS available. I'm sure that this was
the intention of those who originally prepared the booklets.

Richard K
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:43:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: Amy Huang <ahuang@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
Subject: Re: Availability of "Folding the Universe"

Hi again!

At 05:51 PM 8/27/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Hi folders,
>
>Probably the list will be flooded by similar messages, but
>anyway for newcomers, "Folding the Universe" was reprinted by Dover
>a few years ago under the title "Origami from Angelfish to Zen",
>ISBN0486281388 (they even kept that format instructions-on-a-page/
>diagrams-on-the-next).
>As usual with Dover books:
>- it's fairly easy to find and quite unexpensive, check e.g. the
>  Origami Source
>- eons will pass before it gets out-of-print
>
>So this one sure IS a legendary, fabled, fabulous, insightful BUT
>easily available book!
>
>       Carlos
>       furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti
>

        It seems that I was mistaken. I only wished that I had asked the
origami-l discussion group INSTEAD of asking the bookteller about ordering
the book! Anyway, I'm glad to hear that it's available and I'll try to get
it under that name.

        Thanks for clearing it up,
        Amy
        http://www.angelfire.com/la/Lal
        Join the Ring of Origami Art!





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:43:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: Clarence Deacons <deke@northnet.org>
Subject:

Hello all 8) I'm fairly new to origami... I've been folding on and off as the
urge came for about 10 years and particularly like practical origami (boxes,
envelopes and the like in particular) although I do enjoy other pieces... I'd
read on this list allusions to a 'folding nomenclature?' ...hmmm ie a text
representation of the folding of something. Could someone help me in finding a
"key" to this and perhaps also paste an example of something (anything except
perhaps multiple layered stuff) that I could try to interpret into a
model....thx much in advance..

                                  Clarence Deacons





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:56:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Dennis Brannon <brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com>
Subject: RE: Folding Time (was:Re: Request for a model.)

Matthias posted:
>but I sometimes wish I had a clue just how darned LONG it
>will take to fold something!

Easy.  I use the twenty minute rule.  If the model isn't finished
in twenty minutes, I set it aside to come back to later.  That
greatly reduces the chances of paper tearing in frustration,
and I can then get a better estimate of how long it will
take to finish the model.  The twenty minutes is just an
approximate time.  I usually stop when frustration starts
to happen.  Paper folding should be fun.

Hmmm...It just occurred to me that all my favorite models
are ones that can be folded in under 20 minutes...

dennis
---
Dennis Brannon
brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com
Ayer, Massachusetts USA





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:27:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: Wayne Fluharty <wflu@hotmail.com>
Subject: What was that again?

I apologize. I deleted my mail a little too quickly. I just received
another e-mail about the "JOIN THE CREW" virus e-mail. I want to reply with
the address where this was explained as a hoax. Can anyone give me the web
site that this was explained on?

Thanks, Flu (Wayne Fluharty)
wflu@hotmail.com





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:41:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@fantasyfarm.com>
Subject: BARF membership

Hi--

Anyone have a feel for how long it ought to take for Jeremy to process a
BARF membership request?  I sent off my check in late June and haven't
heard a word since then...    ???

  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:47:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: Janell Jarman <jarman@digitalpla.net>
Subject: Re: Cat model (Was German Shepherd model)

Kevin Kinney wrote:

> "Secrets of Origami"
> (just re-released-It was my first "real origami" book.  Check it out)

"Real"?  What constitutes a "real origami book"?  I am not trying to be
obnoxious, but as a beginner for 20+ years, I would really like to
know.  I know what the symbols all mean, but I found both "Secrets" and
"Fascinating" to be hard to follow and the diagrams not always clear.
Is this because (1) they are above my level, (2) they lack written
instruction, or (3) they really are hard to follow?  Does anyone else
out there have problems following them?  I have done models with a lot
more steps and not had this much trouble.

> labelled "Adolfo's Pig."  It is a *very* nifty two-piece pig, glued
> together (Sr. Cerceda seemed to do a lot of this sort.  Plus a lot of
> birds.  Maybe it came from being a stage magician, and spending time making
> birds appear and sawing people in half :)  ).

Hmmm...interesting theory...probably right!

> origami patterns are discovered, not invented (that is, the pattern is
> a naturally existing entity, not a fabrication).

Also a sound premise...as the saying goes, "There's no such thing as an
original thought."  Thanks for all the great info!

Janell





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:58:01 -0300 (ADT)
From: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Marius Kirsch)
Subject: Re: Folding Time (was:Re: Request for a model.)

On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:
> Well, there's Robert Lang's scorpion in "Origami Insects and
> their kin". EASY! ONLY 158 STEPS!! <g>.

There is also a Scorpion by Gabriel Alvarez in the BOS 25th Anniversary
Convention Book, and a Scorpion by Lionel Albertino in der falter 14. Just
for the record.

> Speaking of hours: Has anybody ever cared to check on the time
> it takes to fold a specific model?

I can't speak for anybody, but I am continually uneasy because I cannot
really tell how long it took me to fold a specific model. When I fold
something, it's like a rush: You start, get hooked, and a few hours later
you realize that you have finished it, and that it's evening already. And
since I live pretty independent from my watch, I never really know when I
started.

> etc...), but I sometimes wish I had a clue just how darned LONG it
> will take to fold something!

And I wish I had a clue just how darned LONG it took to fold something! I
reckon it's mostly in the range between 2hrs and 5hrs for complex models,
but I can't really tell.

Yours, Sebastian               sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de,skirsch@t-online.de





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:26:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: BARF membership

On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Bernie Cosell wrote:

> Anyone have a feel for how long it ought to take for Jeremy to process a
> BARF membership request?  I sent off my check in late June and haven't
> heard a word since then...    ???

Jeremy has just returned recently from his job as a camp counsellor at
Camp Winnarainbow (sp?). I expect he's only just seen your request and
will process it as soon as he is able.

          Joseph Wu           It's your privilege as an artist to inflict
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   the pain of creativity on yourself. We can
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami you how YOU paint. There's More Than One Way
                              To Do It. Have the appropriate amount of fun.
                                          --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:28:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@fantasyfarm.com>
Subject: Re: What was that again?

> ... I just received
> another e-mail about the "JOIN THE CREW" virus e-mail. I want to reply with
> the address where this was explained as a hoax. Can anyone give me the web
> site that this was explained on?

There are a bunch -- it is a VERY well known and well beaten-to-death hoax
by now.  A good site to use is:
   http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html

Note, this kind of stuff is easy to find even if you forget the URL.  If
you don't have a copy of webferret [go to www.ferretsoft.com to find a
copy] you should run, don't walk, your browser to get a copy.  It is a
*free* utility that automates searches on a dozen [maybe more] different
search engines.  It is blindingly fast [it does the searches in parallel
and reports the results immediately and so the 'hits' come *pouring* in]
and you don't need to know about the ideosyncracies of this or that search
engine.  You just do a webferret search on "join the crew" or "email
viruses" or "hoaxes" and you'll have more info than you'll ever need...

  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:47:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: BARF membership

Bernie Cosell asked:

+Anyone have a feel for how long it ought to take for Jeremy to process a
+BARF membership request?  I sent off my check in late June and haven't
+heard a word since then...    ???

Jeremy is at camp for most ofthe summer.  I have only been to one summer camp
and I never had a counsellor like Jeremy. :-(.  He should be resurfacing soon.

-D'gou





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:51:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: reeds@openix.com (Reeds family)
Subject: Re: Awesome Origami/Helium balloons

>
>The "Ballon Man" is perhaps the weirdest model in the series. It is
>essentially a model of a headless man. It was desigmed to lock securely on
>the base if a ballon, to act as the model's head. When a helium ballon is
>used, the weight of the model keeps the entire structure in some sort of
>weird floating limbo (as the model's description elaborates on). Apparently
>this is the sort of thing only a young deranged origamist could come up with.

When our kids got sick when they were little, we sometimes got them helium
balloons, made little origami baskets to hang from them, and made paper
dolls to ride in them across the room (acting out the great escape of Jules
Verne's MYSTERIOUS ISLAND). Getting the weights right was tricky, but the
effect was fun. I'll get AWESOME ORIGAMI for the helium-balloon-head model
alone.

Karen
reeds@openix.com





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:20:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kevin Kinney <kkinney@mail.carolinas.org>
Subject: "Real" Books

Janell Jarman--

>"Real"?  What constitutes a "real origami book"?  I am not trying to be
>obnoxious, but as a beginner for 20+ years, I would really like to
>know.  I know what the symbols all mean, but I found both "Secrets" and
>"Fascinating" to be hard to follow and the diagrams not always clear.
>Is this because (1) they are above my level, (2) they lack written
>instruction, or (3) they really are hard to follow?  Does anyone else
>out there have problems following them?  I have done models with a lot
>more steps and not had this much trouble.

Me, again (Kevin Kinney)

        Well, what I meant by "real" was "something with models beyond the
crane, flapping bird, and cootie catcher..."  Actually, now that I think of
it, it was my first origami book, period.  Unless I bought "Mythical
Beings" a day or two before.  I forget.
        As for the diagrams, I think that it's a combination of 2 and 3 (I
doubt they're above your level).  Both books are older books, and, in my
uninformed opinion, came out before a revolution in origami, specifically a
new effort in making highly understandable diagrams (there were a couple of
revolutions, at least.  One, oft mentioned here, was the adopting of the
"standard" symbols.  But equally important has been the drive toward
clarity).  Often the diagrams in the older books are less clear, and there
is rarely as much text to accompany  the diagrams as in new ones.
         I've had to get good at looking steps ahead to see if I can figure
out what the author wanted...

        I'm far into "opinion" territory as opposed to "fact" territory. so
if anyone has any more information...

        If I keep posting like this, I'm going to have to turn in my
"lurker" badge!

Kevin

Kevin Kinney
kkinney@carolinas.org





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:36:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: Dennis Walker <d_and_m_walker@compuserve.com>
Subject: RE: Folding Time (was:Re: Request for a model.)

Hi

        I seem to remember a discussion in the BOS Magazine that suggested
using folding time as a guideline measure of complexity.

        The suggestion was that the measurement would be in 'flapping
birds' or 'cranes'.  Each folder would probably know how long they took to
fold one of the above models and subsequently would know how long a given
model would take.

        e.g.   A model marked as a 20 would take twenty times as long to
fold as a flappping bird. This time would, of course, vary according to the
speed/experience of the folder.

        Just thought you might be interested!

                                        Dennis Walker





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:41:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: pat slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: Re: Folding Time (was:Re: Request for a model.)

> > Speaking of hours: Has anybody ever cared to check on the time
> > it takes to fold a specific model?
>
> I can't speak for anybody, but I am continually uneasy because I cannot
> really tell how long it took me to fold a specific model. When I fold
> something, it's like a rush: You start, get hooked, and a few hours later
> you realize that you have finished it, and that it's evening already. And
> since I live pretty independent from my watch, I never really know when I
> started.

Well with a baby in the house a complex model can take all month.
Hurts like anything when you mess up on step 150 too. aghhhhhhhh!

And I usually have to try three times to get a decent version of
a model so....

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:54:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: RA Kennedy <kennedra@isdugp.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: book review - Fantastic Folds

> Is anyone in the BOS familiar with their work?

We discussed this book at a recent Nottingham/Derby mini-meeting. The
two authors do not appear in the BOS membership list, and nobody at
the meeting had heard of them before, or met them. We'll catch them yet!

Richard K
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:14:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: JudithRcns@aol.com
Subject: Re: origami trivia

Diplomatic? or as they say at graduation. "Welcome to the fold".
Sorry about this





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:08:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: B.-H.Schumacher@t-online.de (Birgit & Hermann Schumacher)
Subject: Re: Cat model (Was German Shepherd model)

Kevin Kinney schrieb:
>
> ...  My girlfriend  loves
> >cats, and I have not found too many good cat origami models.

My favourite cat models are those by Keiji Kitamura.  Kitamura lives in
Osaka where he was born.  He worked as a technical engineer, quit his
job to concentrate on origami. He gives origami classes, some on TV (so
my book says).

My book is in German. But you could easily follow the instructions. It
uses lots of photos, some even with the hands of the folder visible. In
English its title would be: Origami treasure chest. It has 86 ! easy to
intermediate models under the following headings. Tiere (animals),
Voegel (birds), Fische, Insekten, Blumen (fish, insects, flowers),
Praktisches Origami (practical origami), Origami fuer viele
Gelegenheiten (Origami for many purposes).

Most of the models are very elegant to my opinion (being an artist). I
really love the cat model, because you can fold a black, blue, red or
any other coloured cat with white muzzle and dark nose in it.

Now the book's data: Keiji Kitamura: Die Origami Schatztruhe. Publisher:
Frech-Verlag. ISBN 3-7724-1551-2, and I hope it is still in print (5th
in 1996).

Greetings from Birgit, Panino (my white cat) and Timon (my white and red
cat), both lovers of origami, but they usually dive into unfolding ;-)





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:18:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: Janell Jarman <jarman@digitalpla.net>
Subject: Re: "Real" Books

Kevin Kinney wrote:
>
> Both books are older books, and, in my
> uninformed opinion, came out before a revolution in origami, specifically a
> new effort in making highly understandable diagrams

I think that is probably it, in a nutshell.  I have not had any trouble
with models in more recent books.

>         If I keep posting like this, I'm going to have to turn in my
> "lurker" badge!

ME TOO!  Post away...

Janell...having trouble lurking...





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:59:42 -0300 (ADT)
From: S.Adriaanse@inter.NL.net (Sjaak Adriaanse)
Subject: Re: Request for a model.

Richard of Foong wrote:
>Can Anyone suggest any really good looking scorpion models? My friend
>really wants one, and now that I think about it, i do to.
>
>

There is a nice scorpion by Patricia Crawford in 'Origami' (Robert Harbin).
I do not know if this book is still available, it's from 1974 and it's
     published by The Hamlyn Publishing Group Ltd.

Greetings,
Sjaak

Sjaak Adriaanse
email: S.Adriaanse@inter.NL.net
----------------------------------
If your nose runs and your feet smell, you're built upside down.





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:46:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: DLister891@aol.com
Subject: Re: Origami Trivia

Origami_L         Origami Trivia         28th, July, 1997

In his message dated 28/08/97  14:23:46, Mark Morden writes:

<< The word "diploma" is Greek for folded paper.  Does that mean that those
who engage in origami are being "diplomatic?"   >>

Perhaps you didn't realise that the _original_ meaning of the Japanese word
"Origami" was a folded piece of paper. It meant a certificate and was used to
authenticate works of art,  and exquisite craftsmanship such as Samurai
swords. In other words, the meaning was similar to the Greek use of the word
"Diploma".

So, yes, when you participate in paperfoding you are, by definition, being
diplomatic. And from my experience of thousands of paperfolders, they are ,
indeed, a very diplomatic race of people.

Protocollically yours,

David Lister.

DLister891@AOL.com





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:50:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sy Chen <sychen@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Request for a model.

At 06:00 PM 8/28/97 -0300, Sjaak wrote:
>There is a nice scorpion by Patricia Crawford in 'Origami' (Robert Harbin).
>I do not know if this book is still available, it's from 1974 and it's
published by The Hamlyn Publishing Group Ltd.
>

J.C. Nolan rediagrammed it in Creating Origami.

|------------------------------------------------------\
|  _     Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) <chens@asme.org>     |\
| |_| Folding http://www.erols.com/sychen1/pprfld.html --\





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:11:22 -0300 (ADT)
From: JacAlArt@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kawahata Beetle Book (Mr. Wu)

In a message dated 8/27/97 10:20:18 PM, you wrote:

<<Of course we are. My point was to question where you draw the line in the
pursuit of "realism" and to show that it is not realistic (metaphorically
speaking) to pursue "realism" in origami (or in any art) because it just
isn't possible.
>>

And my point is one of common sense. As internal organs are, I believe,
INTERNAL, one would be hardpressed to SEE them on the surface of an animal --
so why bother trying to include them?! Now, the HAIRS -- that's another
argument entirely!  :-)





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:15:34 -0300 (ADT)
From: JacAlArt@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kawahata Beetle Book (painting analogy)

In a message dated 8/28/97 10:38:42 AM, you wrote:

<<This, of course, is your prerogative.  By extension, then, you
would also only appreciate a painting of, for example, a person, which
showed every tooth, every hair, every pore on the skin, etc. rather than a
more abstract portrait that, while not a candidate for an illustration in
an anatomy textbook, still is that of a human being and, furthermore,
evokes an emotional or some other desired response in the viewer. >>

Nope. I don't like painting. :-)





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:15:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: JacAlArt@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kawahata Beetle Book

In a message dated 8/28/97 10:38:42 AM, you wrote:

<<Regardless...from the tone of your response, I perceive that your
own tastes in origami are much narrower than my own.  This is not a matter
of "right" versus "wrong" -- neither view is superior to the other.  I only
ask that you recognize that an artist of any medium may have goals and
intentions that do not necessarily jibe with your own tastes.  >>

I believe I have. I simply said "I don't like the book". I never said "The
book sucks".





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:19:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: JacAlArt@aol.com
Subject: Kawahata, Beetles, and Complexity

Boy -- quite a little discussion I started, huh? Now THIS is an exciting
group! Hope I see some of ya'll at PCOC this November! I'll be the one with
teeth, fingers, and toes.  ;-)





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:44:43 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Ortiz, Cathy" <CORTIZ@foxsportsintl.com>
Subject: RE: Kawahata, Beetles, and Complexity

Don't forget all those hairs too!

> ----------
> From:         JacAlArt@aol.com[SMTP:JacAlArt@aol.com]
> Reply To:     origami-l@nstn.ca
> Sent:         Thursday, August 28, 1997 4:19 PM
> To:   Multiple recipients of list
> Subject:      Kawahata, Beetles, and Complexity
>
> Boy -- quite a little discussion I started, huh? Now THIS is an
> exciting
> group! Hope I see some of ya'll at PCOC this November! I'll be the one
> with
> teeth, fingers, and toes.  ;-)





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:56:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: pat slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: origami sighting?

A bit of an stretch but "noteworthy." From Neal
Stephenson's "The Diamond Age or, A Young Lady's Illustrated Primer":

"Cover sheet," Hackworth said to the piece of paper, and then it had
pictures and writing on it, and the pictures moved -- a schematic of
a machine-phase system cycling.
.
.
.
.
"Thank you, Demetrius," Hackworth said. "Letter fold," he said to the
piece of paper, and it creased itself neatly into thirds. Hackworth
put it in the breast pocket of his jacket and walked out of Merkle
Hall.





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:57:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Cathy Palmer-Lister <cathypl@generation.net>
Subject: Re: Origami Trivia

At 06:47 PM 1997-08-28 -0300, you wrote:

>
>Perhaps you didn't realise that the _original_ meaning of the Japanese word
>"Origami" was a folded piece of paper. It meant a certificate and was used to
>authenticate works of art,  and exquisite craftsmanship such as Samurai
>swords. In other words, the meaning was similar to the Greek use of the word
>"Diploma".

Hey, that's neat!  I never knew that either......

                                Cathy





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:02:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: Ronnie White <ronew@mindspring.com>
Subject: Awesome Origami

>I saw a post from Ronnie White concerning Awesome Origami.  The post included
>a very nice index with creators.  This was very helpful, but being the grredy
>fool I am, I was wondering if someone could provide a few more details about
>the book, as an incentive to get it!
>
>Such as, what is the levels of complexities of the models, and maybe some
>small descriptions (what's a balloon man?)
>This sounds like a really cool book, and I'm right at that brink of deciding
>where to scare up some money to get it!

The book is diagrams compiled by J.C. Nolan from yound folders. The two
models in the book by Michael LaFosse are models he created when he was
12-14 years old.  The complexity ranges from Simple+ to intermediate+. It's
actually two books in one, volume I and volume II together. One side is
volume I, turn the book over and volume II is on the back. If you want super
complex models, this book is not for you, but if you want a book with lots
of very nice models at a good price this is it.

Ron White
ronew@mindspring.com

"Never underestimate the incredible destructive power of origami"

                                                  Earthworm Jim





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:35:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mike and Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Origami Sources

A couple of notes on some origami sources in NJ:

Pearl Arts and Crafts on Route 1 in Woodbridge has greatly expanded
their selection of artisan paper and acid-free paper.  Pearl is a chain,
but I don't know if the other stores in the chain have their paper
selection.

World Journal Bookstore in Edison carries a number of Chinese origami
books in their children's book section.  However, many appeared to be
copies of known works.  I saw one that looked very like Francis Ow's
heart books, and a couple that looked like Tomoko Fuse's work.  I bought
one that was a book on letterfolds that I didn't recognize as belonging
to an author I was familiar with.  The clerk translated the title pages
for me, and said these books had no author listed.  I know there have
been problems with China obeying copyright laws in music and videos -
has anyone else seen these books and do you know if they are legit or
rip-offs?

Janet Hamilton

--
mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:41:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
Subject: Re: Kawahata Beetle Book

On Thu, 28 Aug 1997 JacAlArt@aol.com wrote:

> I believe I have. I simply said "I don't like the book". I never said "The
> book sucks".

while that is true, you could afford to be more diplomatic.  which "what's
wrong with kawahata?" is not.





Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:46:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: rickbissell@ncweb.com
Subject: RE: Folding Time (was:Re: Request for a model.)

Dennis wrote:
>Hmmm...It just occurred to me that all my favorite models
>are ones that can be folded in under 20 minutes...

How about a "top ten" list!

        -- Rick





Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 00:03:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: Elizabeth George <EMGeorge@classic.msn.com>
Subject: scorpions

There is a nice(?), little scorpion model, relatively easy, in Beautiful
Origami, it's certainly not on the same level as the ones mentioned by Lang or
Engel but quite charming all the same.
