




Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 20:32:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: reeds@openix.com (Reeds family)
Subject: "Erotic Origami" wasn't erotic--but worth reading

Just in case philip woo's header stopped you from reading his message
(philwoo@erols.com),
I'm re-posting it. I enjoyed reading his memories of his first encounter
with the OUSA office, Michael Shall, and his philosophy of life--as good a
one as ever I've heard.
Karen
reeds@openix.com

>I hope that I didn't offend any of our more conservative readers with
>my "Spontaneous Airplane Kiss" story. I dont think it was too lewd for
>young eyes.My point was ,origami is not limited to the math crowd,
>or children, or any particular type of person. Origami reflects the
>personality of the folder.A statement like " There is no sex" triggers a
>reaction from me.Naturally,as a musician,my lifestyle differs from many
>of you. Origami is the topic which brings all this diversity togeher.
>Sex(in my opinion) is a natural,essential part of life. A
>model of a nude need not be vulgar, but beautiful ,like the nudes
>in many museums.I 'd love to see a nude model similar to Herman Von
>Goulberg's Cat .
>   My first exposure to OUSA occured five years ago. I called the
>office, Hoping to schedule a visit.The party on the line told me that
>the office was too busy, preparing for the Annual Convention, to accept
>visitors, but was curious about who I was, and my interest
>in origami. We struck up a conversation and moments later He said"oh ,
>what the heck, come on down! That person was Michael Shall, God bless
>him.Michael entertained me with all of his fascinating information
>and stories about all my favorite creators.He told bits of gossip and
>snips of information about Yoshizawa, Tomoko Fuse,Kasahara,Montroll,TH
>things that made everybody seem more down-to-earth. The office was busy,
>but
>Michael took time to introuce me to all the staff present, Including
>Marc Kirschenbaum.I told him I would be touring Europe soon, and he
>gave me addresses of many of the creators & authors living where I soon
>would be visiting.
>During the whole time ,Michael clowned and joked.He had a habit of
>yelling at the top of his voice!As it turned out , I DID meet Paulo
>Mulatinho, in Munich.we exchanged gifts,his wife translated,we shared a
>couple of beers,and had a wonderful time . He said that they had a
>long day , and would leave after a couple of songs.Well,at the end of
>the night,Paulo,his wife and their daughter, were still dancing directly
>in front of the stage!
>  These are the moments that make my hobby so fun.I have dozens of
>encounters that begin with origami,and the spontenaity never ends.Which
>comes back to my original point, and my reason to refer to Michael
>Shall;Life is short; enjoy every moment you possibly can.Be
>lighthearted, treat everyone with equal respect,and share useful
>knowledge.





Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 20:32:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: Michael Montebello <florafauna@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE: The need of Instructions

This has taken a few days to get out:
Hi Yall'
My Intro. to Origami (as an adult) was a Kusudama kit I got on vacation at
Walt D's World. With the help of a exchange student I got past step 13 (open
up and turn wrong side out! WHY undo what took me two hours to do!!!!)
The next trip I got my first book!
Luckily it was Essential Origami, by Biddle.
Years later I don't hesitate to by a book with good diagrams in a language
that I don't read. Now I can READ ORIGAMI!!
Thanks to the Biddles!!!

Yes I some times have to find some one to translate one of the darn little
"bubbles" explaining what the heck they did to get to the next step. And yes,
some diagrams are so bad that you cant fold the model even if you knew how!!

You wrote
>In the past I have
used also a lot of instructions but I seem to have changed my mind<
You just don't need as much instructions now you that you read ORIGAMI!!
Hobbit in SC, US





Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 20:32:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Michael Montebello <florafauna@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE: The need of Instructions

This has taken a few days to get out:
Hi Yall'
My Intro. to Origami (as an adult) was a Kusudama kit I got on vacation at
Walt D's World. With the help of a exchange student I got past step 13 (open
up and turn wrong side out! WHY undo what took me two hours to do!!!!)
The next trip I got my first book!
Luckily it was Essential Origami, by Biddle.
Years later I don't hesitate to by a book with good diagrams in a language
that I don't read. Now I can READ ORIGAMI!!
Thanks to the Biddles!!!

Yes I some times have to find some one to translate one of the darn little
"bubbles" explaining what the heck they did to get to the next step. And yes,
some diagrams are so bad that you cant fold the model even if you knew how!!

You wrote
>In the past I have
used also a lot of instructions but I seem to have changed my mind<
You just don't need as much instructions now you that you read ORIGAMI!!
Hobbit in SC, USA





Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 20:32:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Michael Montebello <florafauna@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE: Help (MSN & List Server)

Please note if you are a Microsoft Internet User your e-mail address has been
changed and while you can receive messages you no longer will be able to mail
messages to the list server.
Microsoft has revised the email addresses from :
"name" @msn.com to "name"@classic.msn.com

I've tried to send some messages out to ask for assistance.

You need to change you email address to the new MSN identifier
(classic.msn.com) to send mail to the server. Just re-subscribing may(??) put
you in twice since MSN will deliver messages to you using either way.
I assume the list server uses our email address as a password, so the change
by MSN causes the "sent" email to be rejected but the incoming mail to be
fine.
Thanks
Mike (a shadow of the "Hobbit")
PS
from the Hobbit,
I re-subscribed so far I am not getting double messages.
I THINK ITS FIXED!!
----------p





Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 20:33:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: Kawahata Beetle Book

>
> Just got it. In Japanese. Title is something like Origami Sensai no
> Kabutomushi. Translates to Origami Beetles. Very unhappy with it. All models
> are very simple or are modular. Bleeuch!!! Similar to Wild Animals of The
> World or Imaginary Animals of The World. Nowhere near the caliber of Origami
> Fantasy!  :-(
>
> Why are there no good complex books coming out?!
> Yo -- Kirschenbaum -- Shafer -- where are you guys?!
> (And what happened to Kawahata?!)
>
> ~Alec
>

Hi all,

Simple is not necessarily bad and beetles can be a neat subject for
origami (especially if you know about the passion of Japanese kids
for keeping pet insects).  Please tell us more about the book.  For
example, are the beetles effective even if they don't necessarily
have 6 legs.  How hard is the imagination tried?  At least, is cutting
avoided?

                            ciao,
                              Mark
                         (son of an entomologist)

--
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|          e-mail: casida@chimie.umontreal.ca           |





Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 20:45:02 -0300 (ADT)
From: jaelle <jaelle1@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: About Mad Corsicans

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Dino Andreozzi wrote:

> Valerie Vann wrote:
> >
> > What is a "Mad Corsican"?
>
> A Mad Corsican is a - crazy - person from Corsica (a Mediterranean
> island, not so far from Italy).
> Is JJ Casalonga from Corsica?
>
> Dino

   I think he is Corsican but the snail mail I get from him is in
France.

But he is a delightful young man ( now that I am getting to know him)

And he IS a Mad Corsican folder!!! giggle
jaelle

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:23:01 -0300 (ADT)
From: Michael Montebello <florafauna@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE:NO,I need Help! (MSN & List Server)

Sorry about all the messages. I just (Sunday night at 8:00 EST) got back
through the list several of my help messages some in duplicate.
I have re-subscribed because I could not change my address. I now need to
cancel my old address BUT I do not wont to mess up this address.
Also why am I not getting all the messages in duplicate?? I have thought that
I was not getting all the posted messages because there would be messages
about other messages that I did not read.... sort of supports that theory.
Hummmm...
Thanks
Hobbit

----------
From:  origami-l@nstn.ca on behalf of Michael Montebello
Sent:  Sunday, August 24, 1997 7:33 PM
To:  Multiple recipients of list
Subject:  RE: Help (MSN & List Server)

Please note if you are a Microsoft Internet User your e-mail address has been
changed and while you can receive messages you no longer will be able to mail
messages to the list server.
Microsoft has revised the email addresses from :
"name" @msn.com to "name"@classic.msn.com

I've tried to send some messages out to ask for assistance.

You need to change you email address to the new MSN identifier
(classic.msn.com) to send mail to the server. Just re-subscribing may(??) put
you in twice since MSN will deliver messages to you using either way.
I assume the list server uses our email address as a password, so the change
by MSN causes the "sent" email to be rejected but the incoming mail to be
fine.
Thanks
Mike (a shadow of the "Hobbit")
PS
from the Hobbit,
I re-subscribed so far I am not getting double messages.
I THINK ITS FIXED!!
----------p





Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:37:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net>
Subject: Re: origami baton

Joyce Owen wrote:
>
> Yes, that the idea I've been toying with.  It will also be seen by all
> her twirl team & parents so I'm trying to do something more impressive.

There is another possibility,  make 2 of dinos Pyramids The diagrams are
on his website and the fold is elegant but simple.  then uses some some
of paper, that can be rolled into a rod, you will have to use glue (can
you say Heresy?  :?)' ) Face it with out using glue, it will not stay
together for the inexpert twirling of a child.  Using the pyramids
instead of boxes will make it look more like an actual baton.  Sorry but
on short notice It is the best I could think of.  I am sure there are
many on the list who can and may have better solutions, this one is just
quick.
Perry

http://hem.passagen.se/dion/index2.html       (Dino's homepage)
--
>From pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net

***************************************
* Hey, no matter where you go, there  *
* you are.  B. Bonzai :?)'            *





Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 23:12:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: JacAlArt@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kawahata Beetle Book

In a message dated 8/24/97 5:29:00 PM, you wrote:

<<Simple is not necessarily bad and beetles can be a neat subject for
origami (especially if you know about the passion of Japanese kids
for keeping pet insects).  Please tell us more about the book.  For
example, are the beetles effective even if they don't necessarily
have 6 legs.  How hard is the imagination tried?  At least, is cutting
avoided?>>

No cutting, but all models with legs require 2 sheets. Simple is not
necessarily bad -- but when coming from Kawahata, I expect quite a bit more
technical prowess! I guess they are "effective", but not challenging enough
for one as arrogant as I.
~Alec





Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 00:52:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: nienhuis@wgn.net (Bob Nienhuis)
Subject: New web page

Announcing my new web page

The new page focuses on traditional Chinese Modular figures and features
Carol Stevens' magnificent Chinese Junk. This model recently won Best in
Show at the Los Angeles County Fair. The page also includes several of
Carol's other models such as her Pineapple and Swan.

Another part displays several examples of Chinese Paper Cutting, both of the
brightly colored Wei Shin County style and the more widespread monochrome style.

Carol is the one who knows how to do the modulars, so please direct
questions about them to her. She does not have E-mail but has authorized me
to post her phone number, it is 714/998-7400.

The URL for the page is:
http://www.wgn.net/~nienhuis/chinese.html

Bob Nienhuis
nienhuis@wgn.net
Home page:http://www.wgn.net/~nienhuis/





Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 09:29:34 -0300 (ADT)
From: Maarten van Gelder <M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: The list is alive!!!

Someone mentioned that he expected 100 messages in two weeks from the list.

I'm back from 3.5 weeks holidays now and had about 450 message in my Origami
mailbox (and also 150 extra for my normal job). And you did that, although
the listserver had some problems !?!?

Maarten van Gelder,           Rekencentrum RuG,  RijksUniversiteit Groningen
M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl                            Nederland





Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 14:39:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: Brett Askinazi <brett@hagerhinge.com>
Subject: RE: Kawahata Beetle Book

I don't know if this is accurate but, ;  I have noticed a similarity
between some Kawahata's intermediate designs and his Complex designs.  I
took a guess and came up with the idea that they were projects or models
for some of his more complex creations.

And when you say technical prowess, I think that statement also applies to
his simpler or more intermediate creations as well.  If you look at them
closely you will see that many of the techniques of the more complex models
are present in the simpler ones.  In addition you can see that the simpler
models convey the overall form of the model very well and detail can be
added to put fill in the gaps where the imagination leaves off.

This post isn't so much a reply to other messages as an observation.

Brett





Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 14:43:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com>
Subject: Re: precreasing..

Sorry, I've lost track of the attributions...

>> Probably math-folders like Tom Hull could provide a better answer.

>Well, how about it?

Don't expect an answer from Tom Hull right away. It's not that
he's ignoring you, but rather that he's temporarily without
easy access to his e-mail account. E-mail withdrawal---shudder.

Lisa (no inter-nyms for me, thank you) Hodsdon
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 14:45:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: (NO):MSN oddities (was:Re: From: "Michael Montebello" RE: Help (MSN &
 List Server) )

what you're missing is that many people use email
systems that won't let you do anything to alter
the sending address...

--valerie





Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 14:47:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: jeffry kerwood <jkjeff@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: The need of Instructions

I'm glad you asked that. The more people think and talk about
how best to illustrate models the better off we will all be.

As I recall (I don't have the original email handy) it sounds like you
are looking for a "rule of thumb" you can follow to know how much (what)
text is best. Well, I don't think such a paradigm can be conjured.
Authoring is art rather than science. The real answer to "how much text
is best" is "however much is best". The only practical approach to
figuring that out is to combine your best authoring skills and common
sense (if you are good at both of these you'll do well, if not a
paradigm wouldn't help anyway). Then iteratively combine "beta testing"
and rewriting/rediagramming until your user testing is successful. That
is really to say, have some friends (of the appropriate skill level) try
it. If they sail to the end - you're done. If not - keep working.

Jeff Kerwood (JKJEFF@HOTMAIL.COM)

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 15:44:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kristine Tomlinson <ktomlinson@platinum.com>
Subject: Treasure Ship/Horaizan/Immortals (Long)

Hi,

Thanks to James Sakoda for his directions on folding the Treasure Ship
or Takarabune from the Chinese Junk.  I wanted to have a chance to
investigate naming conventions and do some test folding before
responding.  With the help of Harbin's _Secrets of Origami_ I modified a
junk as suggested and came close to  the picture in Takagi's _Origami
Koten no miru origami_ and to what I saw at Yoshizawa-san's class in
Salem, MA, USA.  In fact, it got me started looking around for examples,
and I found the model in Harbin's _Origami: the Art of Paper Folding_
(1967) also known as _Teach Yourself Origami_.

No wonder I couldn't find it!  Harbin calls it a "Gondola" and then goes on
to say it is the same as the Chinese Junk -- as Joseph Wu pointed out in
his post.  It sounds as though the name "Chinese Junk" has been applied
to the symmetrical model with sails as well as the one I'm interested in
with a pointed bow (prow) which I call a "Treasure Ship".

And now my reason for interest in this model.  I'm researching another
origami and metaphysics workshop which will introduce some basic
Taoist ideas using four models: the crane (1,000 years), the tortoise
(10,000 years), a  Horaizon (tortoise and crane on mountain), and the
treasure ship (which sails on New Year's Eve from Horaizan? carrying
the Seven Gods of good luck, wealth, and happiness).  A kimono print
I've seen combines the tortoise, crane, and treasure ship and it's my
hope that the models will build nicely on one another as we discuss the
meaning of "immortality" and the Tao.  There are two wonderful quotes
from a 3rd century AD Taoist which express the connection between
cranes, tortoises, and what humans need to do for immortality
beautifully.

Now to my questions:  So far I've only found two origami models of
Horaizan.  1. A gomashio wrapper used for weddings in Honda's
_Noshi_ and 2. a crane and tortoise on a helmet by Yoshinga Ogawa,
circa 1868-1912 from a 3:2 rectangle in Harbin's _Secrets of Origami_.
Are there any others?  Do we know how old the Honda example is?

Is the Treasure Ship a Japanese model?  From Takagi's research, we
know it dates at least from 1700-1716 (thanks again to James Sakoda for
the dates) and James Sakoda points out its stylistic differences to the
Chinese Junk -- although the models do share a common base.  Does
anyone have paper suggestions?  The kami I used was too light.
Yoshizawa-san used a single-color paper and I'm considering some
patterns that suggest the New Year or perhaps a foiled paper.

I've only been able to pick up bits and pieces of the meaning of
"Horaizon" from very disparate sources like Kyoto garden books, kimono
prints, American novels, and hints in religion books.  Is my understanding
about Horaizan correct?? That it is a place in the physical world of
youth/longevity and that the crane and tortoise symbolize it due to their
longevity and proper behaviors which humans should imitate. That the
immortals live there, and it may consist of three islands(?) with
mountains.   Am I anywhere close? :-}

Thanks to any who my be able to correct my gaps in understanding or
share information on other Horaizon models.

Kristine Tomlinson
ktomlinson@platinum.com
Waltham, MA, USA





Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 17:23:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com>
Subject: Re: precreasing..

Yikes! I sent this on Friday and felt like a fool when Tom showed up hours
later with his new address. Then to have the mail server burp (I believe
it was on my end not the listserv's) just increases my
foolish-feeling-ness!

>Don't expect an answer from Tom Hull right away. It's not that
>he's ignoring you, but rather that he's temporarily without
>easy access to his e-mail account. E-mail withdrawal---shudder.

Lisa (no inter-nyms for me, thank you) Hodsdon
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 17:47:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mr & Mrs Owen <djowen@pcl.net>
Subject: Re: origami baton

Thanks.  I'll write back after I've tried it.  Oh, I hope it won't be
actually used, but with elementary girls it's likely to happen. joyce
----------
> From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject: Re: origami baton
> Date: Sunday, August 24, 1997 8:38 PM
>
> Joyce Owen wrote:
> >
> > Yes, that the idea I've been toying with.  It will also be seen by all
> > her twirl team & parents so I'm trying to do something more impressive.
>
> There is another possibility,  make 2 of dinos Pyramids The diagrams are
> on his website and the fold is elegant but simple.  then uses some some
> of paper, that can be rolled into a rod, you will have to use glue (can
> you say Heresy?  :?)' ) Face it with out using glue, it will not stay
> together for the inexpert twirling of a child.  Using the pyramids
> instead of boxes will make it look more like an actual baton.  Sorry but
> on short notice It is the best I could think of.  I am sure there are
> many on the list who can and may have better solutions, this one is just
> quick.
> Perry
>
> http://hem.passagen.se/dion/index2.html       (Dino's homepage)
> --
> >From pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net
>
> ***************************************
> * Hey, no matter where you go, there  *
> * you are.  B. Bonzai :?)'            *





Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 19:05:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: Chris Miller <chris@ori.net>
Subject: It's me!

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 19:17:41 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joyce Owen <joyceowen@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: origami baton

Ops.  I meant to send it to Perry Baily. I'm sorry.
mother of the folder.
joyce

>Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 17:47:21 -0300 (ADT)
>From: "Mr & Mrs Owen" <djowen@pcl.net>
>To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
>Subject: Re: origami baton
>
>Thanks.  I'll write back after I've tried it.  Oh, I hope it won't be
>actually used, but with elementary girls it's likely to happen. joyce
>----------
>> From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net>
>> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
>> Subject: Re: origami baton
>> Date: Sunday, August 24, 1997 8:38 PM
>>
>> Joyce Owen wrote:
>> >
>> > Yes, that the idea I've been toying with.  It will also be seen by
all
>> > her twirl team & parents so I'm trying to do something more
impressive.
>>
>> There is another possibility,  make 2 of dinos Pyramids The diagrams
are
>> on his website and the fold is elegant but simple.  then uses some
some
>> of paper, that can be rolled into a rod, you will have to use glue
(can
>> you say Heresy?  :?)' ) Face it with out using glue, it will not stay
>> together for the inexpert twirling of a child.  Using the pyramids
>> instead of boxes will make it look more like an actual baton.  Sorry
but
>> on short notice It is the best I could think of.  I am sure there are
>> many on the list who can and may have better solutions, this one is
just
>> quick.
>> Perry
>>
>> http://hem.passagen.se/dion/index2.html       (Dino's homepage)
>> --
>> >From pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net
>>
>> ***************************************
>> * Hey, no matter where you go, there  *
>> * you are.  B. Bonzai :?)'            *
>> ***************************************

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 20:21:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kim Best <kim.best@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: Erotic Origami

Janell Jarman wrote:

> Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought Kim (was it Kim who started this?)
> meant no sex as in no gender.  Maybe I'm just too darned innocent. :o

Actually it was meant as a smart-ass remark.  I guess, I need to learn more
self-control.

Personally, I think the use of origami for amorous purposes is great.  I
loved Phillips planes story!
--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 20:29:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: JacAlArt@aol.com
Subject: Re:  RE: Kawahata Beetle Book

In a message dated 8/25/97 9:46:13 AM, you wrote:

<<In addition you can see that the simpler
models convey the overall form of the model very well and detail can be
added to put fill in the gaps where the imagination leaves off>>

Again, perhaps it's my arrogance speaking, but I'm not interested in
"imagining" where the details are. I want the details to be part of the
finished product. I don't like abstract art either! I don't want to imagine
it's a painting of a woman -- I want to SEE the woman! A model that's "sorta
a dinosaur -- just imagine the eye there and the claws there and the ears
there" hold no interest for me. I want to fold and see the details. That's
the allure!
~Alec





Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 21:01:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Robert Allan Schwartz <notbob@tessellation.com>
Subject: Re: Kawahata Beetle Book

>Just got it. In Japanese. Title is something like Origami Sensai no
>Kabutomushi. Translates to Origami Beetles. Very unhappy with it. All models
>are very simple or are modular. Bleeuch!!! Similar to Wild Animals of The
>World or Imaginary Animals of The World. Nowhere near the caliber of Origami
>Fantasy!  :-(
>
>Why are there no good complex books coming out?!
>Yo -- Kirschenbaum -- Shafer -- where are you guys?!
>(And what happened to Kawahata?!)
>
>~Alec

Modular beetles????

Robert

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 21:54:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: Ronnie White <ronew@mindspring.com>
Subject: New Book: Awesome Origami

I just received my copy of "Awesome Origami" from Origamido.com and it's a
very good book with 31 models.For anyone interested below is a list of the
models and their creators:

Baby Bald Eagle,  Julia Ko
Alfred Hitchcock,  Michael Adcock
Heart Stick Pin,  Daniel Stillman
Jester,  Michael Adcock
4 Pointed, Multi-Form Star,  Daniel E. Moraseski
Mother Swan and Two Cygnets,  Aaron Einbond
Spotted Bunny,  Jimmy Kane
Screaming Michael,  Daniel Stillman
Eric's Dragon,  Eric Barr
Penguin,  Michael LaFosse
Dove,  Michael LaFosse
Flapping Bat,  Julia Einbond
Pot-Bellied Pig,  Paul Fischer
Heron,  Gabriel Willow
White Ibis,  Gabriel Willow
Beaver,  Gabriel Willow
Lady Bug,  Aaron Einbond
Flower Arrangement,  Troy Elliot
Luna Moth,  Kevin Thorne
Rocket,  Kevin Thorne
Kiwi,  Eric Anderson
Manatee,  Gabriel Willow
Perching Hawk,  Eric Anderson
Tower Boxes,  Winson Chan
Surfer on a Wave,  Jeremy Shafer
Ballon Man,  Alasdair Post-Quinn
Weasel,  Gabriel Willow
Opossum,  Aaron Einbond
Rearing Dragon,  Marc Kirschenbaum
Folding the Blintz Base,  Jeremy Shafer
Folding the Preliminary Base,  Jeremy Shafer

The book is available from www.origamido.com. The book is currently not
listed on their website but is available by calling them at 1-800-238-1279.
The price is $9.95 plus postage.
Ron White
ronew@mindspring.com

"Never underestimate the incredible destructive power of origami"

                                                  Earthworm Jim





Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 23:45:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Re: Kawahata Beetle Book

>>Just got it. In Japanese. Title is something like Origami Sensai no
>>Kabutomushi. Translates to Origami Beetles. Very unhappy with it. All models
>>are very simple or are modular. Bleeuch!!! Similar to Wild Animals of The
>>World or Imaginary Animals of The World. Nowhere near the caliber of Origami
>>Fantasy!  :-(

        Although I don't venture there myself (yet), I must protest all
those protestations of workers who are clearly capable of producing highly
complex works also producing much simpler works!  Can it not also be viewed
as a challenge to an accomplished folder to produce enticing but more
representational models?  And how better to entice novice folders into
acquiring greater skills than to pique their interest with simpler models
that simultaneously teach them methodologies that can and will be used
later in folding more complicated models?  Even fans of John Montroll will
note that, in his most recent publications, there has been a subtle but
clear move towards producing realistic models with more simplistic (than in
his earliest books) methodologies.  As a famous (and, might I add,
Macintosh computer aficionado) once declared:  "Hard is easy; easy is
hard."  Sure, a master folder can make incredibly complex, finger-numbing,
realistic models, but what a challenge to create a model that is simple
enough for much less accomplished folders to produce but still be instantly
recognizeable...not to mention educational and stimulating at the same
time!  One may well be disappointed with a book of "simpler" models when
one is able to produce far more complex works, but picture coming across a
such a tome when one is still a novice, eager to learn more about origami,
as well as new models!  We were all at that point, once, so let us not
allow expertosis to gain the upper hand.

>Modular beetles????

        Unless all the pieces assembled to make these beetle models are
identical (I haven't seen the book), then they aren't modular -- they are
composite.

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 23:50:51 -0300 (ADT)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Hikari-Ori as Origami Tesselation

     David Lister has written extensively on the topic of tesselation, and
I am still puzzled by what it actually is.  I have not attempted
tesselation as such, but have been working with a form of origami, whidh is
a low relief set of repeated patterns, which relies on the use of foil
paper to show the different portions of the folded and unfolded mosaic
pattern in light and dark shades.  One characateristic of a displayed
Hikari-Ori is that the change in lighting or the position of the viewer
will change the pattern of light and dark areas, thus providing a changing
view of the pattern.  The process of developing different patterns on
paper, not by drawing, as some artists have done, but by folding and
unfolding has provided some insight into what is involved in producing the
final design.
     Masaic Pattern.  Even though the folded paper is flattened out in the
end into a low relief form, the net result is a mosaic pattern, which I
believe is the essence of tesselation in various forms.  One might
conjecture that there are various stages of folding designs, starting with
folding into a three-dimentional form, and then folding further into a flat
figure and finally unfolding completely into a low relief form.  The
unfolded mosaoic pattern, however, is not completely flat, sincet he valley
and mountain fold creases are still not completely eliminated, leaving a
low relief pattern of valley and mountain folds.  In order to achieve a
relatively flat arrangement it is necessary to alternate mountain and
valley folds, both vertically and horizontally.  Hoffman's circular
structure is adhieved by allowing mountain folds to continue in one
direction, although they alternate in the other.
     Flat Origami.  The mathematical rule for achieving flat folding is
that opposite angles of a four angle apex with three mountain folds and one
valley fold or visa versa must both add up to 180 degrees.  .  For example,
a corner of a square with a 45 degree angle extended for half the length of
a side, for example, must have a 90 degree angle opposite the corner of the
square, while the obtuse angle of 135 degrees must havae opposite a 45
degree one to add up to 180 degrees.  If the four corners of a square are
given this flat folding treatment the square will end up folded with a
twisting motion.  One would guess that Fujimoto's twist origami has many
twists of this type.  It is also clear that those writing about flat
origami are referring to the same phenomenon.  In my unfolded work flat
folding is not an absolute necessity, but I have found it desirable to make
most folds of the flattening type in order to get sharp creases which help
to distinguish one area from another.  Rounded edges would tend to obscure
the differention of regions.
     Non-folded Patterns.  Patterms made of smaller geometric pieces, such
as squares and triangles, can be drawn on a sheet and the edges creased to
form mountain fold ridges or scored to form grooves to show the mosaic
pattern of designs.  While the same design pieces are used repeatedly, to
show variations in desgins it is usually necessary to rotate  the same
design feature in order to adhieve variations in designs.  One might
conceive the use of twist folds and flat folding generally as a means of
achieving the reorientation of design features throuigh folding rather than
simply using creases without folding.  It seems to me that if producing a
mosaid pattern is the goal of tesselation, all should be accepted as
origami tesselation.  I have not mentioned the fitting  of individually
folded pieces  to form a pattern, which comes closer to the tiling anology.
James M. Sakoda
James M. Sakoda, origami dollar bill foldings in pdf form:
http://idt.net/~kittyv





Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 06:30:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: VVOrigami@aol.com
Subject: Re: About Mad Corsicans

I'd like to say that my original question ("What is a
Mad Corsican") was metaphysical and/or rhetorical,
but the responses were so varied and entertaining
I've decided to come clean and admit that (having
missed some of the JJ thread), I thought perhaps
a "Mad Corsican" was either a Bonaparte model,
or a French traditional/folk model like the "Pajarita",
"cootie catcher", and glider.

Come to think of it, "Mad Corsican"  would probably
be a British traditional model...

:-)
valerie (ducking a pre-emptive launch of Ninja Stars
from the other side of the Big Pond)





Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 06:33:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mr & Mrs Owen <djowen@pcl.net>
Subject: Re: Erotic Origami

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I agree the plane story was beautiful

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> From: Kim Best <kim.best@m.cc.utah.edu>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject: Re: Erotic Origami
> Date: Monday, August 25, 1997 6:22 PM
>
>
>
> Janell Jarman wrote:
>
> > Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought Kim (was it Kim who started this?)
> > meant no sex as in no gender.  Maybe I'm just too darned innocent. :o
>
> Actually it was meant as a smart-ass remark.  I guess, I need to learn
more
> self-control.
>
> Personally, I think the use of origami for amorous purposes is great.  I
> loved Phillips planes story!
> --
> Kim Best                            *******************************
>                                     *          Origamist:         *
> Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
> 420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 06:35:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: Philip Woo <philwoo@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Erotic Origami

In reply to Janell Jarman , Hmmm. I mean to say,I didn't intend to
stereotype. Judging from the hundreds of people I met and observed
during the convention, I can honestly say , I didnt feel that ANYBODY
was of similar type.Musicians are as diverse as anything in the world,
as well. You dont know what kind of musician I am, so I could be
anything. Classical,reggae,blues,country,R&B, rock ; The types of
musicians can be different as the music. I celebrate the fact that I
could communicate with someone like David Lister,or Mark Kirschenbaum.
      Believe me , I    dont encounter people like that in my everyday
circles. Its unimportant,anyway.I read Kim's comment to mean that
origami is not sexy(romantic),and I disagreed. If Kim meant "no sex"
meaning gender , Hmm...Ha ,ha! !Actually, I was informed that the
subject was a little touchy on this list,and that was probably what Kim
was talking about. Being a newcomer,I couldn't connect with his
joke.Apparently, I missed some discussion about the subject that occured
more than a year ago.
 Anyway,at least I had an excuse to post SOMETHING on the list. I had
been reading everybody's contributions, and staying invisible.I kept
reading encouragements to contribute and not be so shy,so... Now
look at all the worms I released when I opened that can.Does that mean I
cant tell you'all about the time in Belgium when I.... No,just kidding.
  Janelle, dont get me wrong.All of our lifestyles contrast.That doesn't
stop us from sharing what we all have in common in this
newsgroup; love of origami and paper,creativity and curiosity.

                                         Philip Woo





Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 06:36:51 -0300 (ADT)
From: Chinh Nguyen <chinhsta@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
Subject: "Origami for the Connaisseur?"

Is this book still in print?

Of course I want it for the Kawasaki rose.

--Chinh Nguyen chinhsta@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu

"I was never more hated than when I tried to be honest.  Or when, even as
        just now I've tried to articulate exactly what I felt to be the
        truth."  -- Ralph Ellison, _The Invisible Man_





Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 06:39:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: JudithRcns@aol.com
Subject: Re: The need of Instructions

Readers may find that one of the strongest axioms for instructions is the
editor. Editors may have the basic know-how to fold the simple models, but
lack the ability to use the international folding symbols. You may be able to
fold without any instructions, but many who read your diagrams may lack the
ability to fold without them. The more instructions are kept brief and to the
point, the more people will benefit from your efforts. Writers of books are
at the mercy of the editors and those who are still learning the art. Forty
years ago there were no formulated international symbols of folding. Lines
were simply labeled with a ----p----- for peak or mountain fold. The diagrams
lacked any form of intructions. It was a difficult art to learn. Enjoy the
instructions, you may find that the most complicated of models become a
little easier when some form of instrucions are included.
Lew Rozelle





Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 06:56:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: David Cohen <DC35983@ggr.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Old European Origami (Origami-l #820,David Lister)

David,

Saw your posting (Subject: "Old European Origami" ) and just wanted to say I
much I enjoyed reading it - a really excellent synopsis of the european
angle on history. I particular like the following entry:

>>21.  All this was to change in the 1950's largely because of three people:
>>Gershon Legman, Robert Harbin and Lillian Oppenheimer. But that is another
>>story.

"Another story" - I couldn't have put it better myself! You could write a
book just on this event.

I think what's interesting is that point in history where people started
really working on folding from a base, and saying "what things can I
actually create from this". Before that, although this is probably
exaggeration, all folding seems to have nearly been 'one offs' with little
development of the shape, even if the form created could have been the basis
for other models. Maybe the Multiform and/or Waterbomb are exceptions, but
the introduction of the bird base to Europe changed a lot. I think it would
be really fascinating to find out in much more detail, just what the impact
of this one event was.

It appears as though the modern art is about 120 years old - the initial
work of Unamuno appears to be the first real documented area here and his
early exploits sound fascinating. Was Yoshizawa influenced by any
non-Western work, eg. South American folders or even Unamuno?

Certainly, and as you point out, the very transient nature of paper, makes
historical perspective that more difficult and very challenging. It's almost
similar to our inability to really know how the Pyramids were built (OK,
this is not such a good comparsion, but ...) - we're just not really sure
anymore who was influenced by who and what the turn of events actually was.

Looking forward to seeing you at York.

Regards,

David.





Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 08:44:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: "Origami for the Connaisseur?"

Chinh Nguyen asked:

+Is this book still in print?

No.

+Of course I want it for the Kawasaki rose.

The OftC rose is also available in the June '97 issue of NOA magazine.  You
can order that from Sasuga (I have no connection to them except as a happy
customer).  You can get the "real" Kawasaki rose from the origami FTP site.
See Joseph Wu's web site for links to both places if you need them.  And
search the archives to past discussions about those models and books.

-D'gou





Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:15:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Re: (NO):MSN oddities (was:Re: From: "Michael Montebello" RE: Help
 (MSN & List Server) )

Valerie Vann wrote:
> what you're missing is that many people use email
> systems that won't let you do anything to alter
> the sending address...
> --valerie

Yikes!
That's like having only one pair of pants!

Matthias





Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:10:12 -0300 (ADT)
From: ladyada@tiac.net (joyce saler)
Subject: Re: Treasure Ship/Horaizan/Immortals (Long)

Kristine
Your message was the most interesting posting on the list that I have read
since David Lister and James Sakoda. What a quest! I am interested in the
origins of your study and of course, the results. I do have Harbin's
Secrets so you must show me the diagram of the "Junk" with sails.

Looking forward to our meeting and our subset meeting. I wrote Dennis that
we are involved in an interest so compelling that we meet in between
meeting.
Joyce





Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:48:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: Janell Jarman <jarman@digitalpla.net>
Subject: Re: Erotic Origami

Kim Best wrote:
>
> Janell Jarman wrote:
>
> > Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought Kim (was it Kim who started this?)
> > meant no sex as in no gender.  Maybe I'm just too darned innocent. :o
>
> Actually it was meant as a smart-ass remark.

Well, I KNEW that, but I still thought maybe you were refering to
gender.  Afterall KIM, not having met you personally, yours is a mystery
to me!

> Personally, I think the use of origami for amorous purposes is great.  I
> loved Phillips planes story!

Ditto...I never said anything against it. ;)

Janell





Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:53:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: Janell Jarman <jarman@digitalpla.net>
Subject: Re: Erotic Origami

One of the biggest drawbacks to communicating with "strangers" via
e-mail is that we don't always understand the personality of the
writer.  As for me, I tend to see most of it as light-hearted, probably
because I don't take most things TOO seriously.  So...just let me say to
everyone out there, Don't take ME too seriously.  I never mean to
offend, although I have often been seen with a foot sticking out of my
mouth!

Philip Woo wrote:

> I read Kim's comment to mean that origami is not sexy(romantic), and I
     disagreed.

Personally, I rather enjoyed your story!

> Actually, I was informed that the subject was a little touchy on this list,
     and that
> was probably what Kim was talking about.

Yes, probably.

> Being a newcomer...I missed some discussion about the subject that occured
> more than a year ago.

Me too, on both counts.

> Anyway,at least I had an excuse to post SOMETHING on the list. I had
> been reading everybody's contributions, and staying invisible.I kept
> reading encouragements to contribute and not be so shy,so... Now
> look at all the worms I released when I opened that can.

I, for one, am glad you did!  Go ahead and open another can!

> Does that mean I cant tell you'all about the time in Belgium when I....
     No,just
> kidding.

Hmmm...no comment.

>   Janell, dont get me wrong.All of our lifestyles contrast.That doesn't
> stop us from sharing what we all have in common in this
> newsgroup; love of origami and paper,creativity and curiosity.
>
>                                          Philip Woo

I didn't mean the "stereotyping" remark to offend you and am truly sorry
if it did.  It is just that in this "politically correct" world of ours,
I found it amusing that you would be stereotyping yourself and couldn't
resist...maybe I should count to 100 next time! :)

Janell





Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 15:48:41 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kenneth Lehner <lehner@lznj2.lincroftnj.ncr.com>
Subject: German Shepherd model?

All,

Our dog died last week, and I would dearly like to make a
German Shepherd model for my wife.  Can anyone point
me to a model which can produce a realistic dog of this
breed?  A wolf model could be adapted.  Difficulty is no
obstacle.

Many thanks in advance.

Ken Lehner
ken.lehner@lincroftnj.ncr.com

P.S.  I just rejoined the origami list, but I don't know if it "took".
Please email me your suggestions.  Thanks again.





Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:06:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Treasure Ship/Horaizan/Immortals (Long)

I think the "junk with sails" refers to the
version (as in Harbin) with the paper pulled
out of the center slot to make square ends.
This has never looked like "sails" to me, but
then I've never sailed a junk. (I have seen
pictures of ones with sails, and they don't look
like that either.

Seems to me like it should be called the "square
ended junk". Looks more like a caraval without
its sail.

One of the square prows can be turned into a
3-sided cabin, and the other adjusted to a make
a low railed prow, and then add some real sails
and you have a galleon. Or add a triangular
sail for an Arabian dhow. Etc.

--valerie





Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:52:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: DonnaJowal@aol.com
Subject: Re: German Shepherd model?

Dear Kenneth Lehner:

There is a model that I think is of a wolf in Viva Origami.  I used it to
make a model of my dog Teddy who is part German shepherd.

I'm really sorry to hear about your dog.  I know how horrible it is to lose a
dog;  I still cry over the dog I lost 5 years ago.

Donna Walcavage





Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:16:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@ahand.unicamp.br>
Subject: Re: German Shepherd model?

>> Our dog died last week, and I would dearly like to make a
>> German Shepherd model for my wife.  Can anyone point
Sorry to hear - nice idea.

>> me to a model which can produce a realistic dog of this

The only "official" german shepherd model I know of is diagrammed
in Sano's Origami Dogs - it is a simple sitting dog, but quite suggestive.

Why not adapting Montroll's dog base? Just take the boxer* model
but don't fold neck and tail. Fold the ears/base of head as
in the husky*; however, instead of a lower jaw use the point
for a longer nose.  Crimp at the "stop" (like in the goose*'s beak)
and blunt the point. A few crimps to make a sickle-shaped
pointed tail, pull the hind legs backward a bit, and it should be fine.
(I actually tried these some years ago - I modified the neck base too,
probably crimping forwards).

*all these models in Origami Sculptures by J.Montroll, publ.Dover/Antroll

It would be even easier adapting another Montroll model, the coyote in
the Chinese Zodiac book; however, I think the neck is a little too short.

Now two _personal_ wishes:
1) realistic dog breeds collected in a single book. John mentioned that
   after creating his base he devised several dog models. So far I saw
   published the boxer, dachshund, scottie, husky and golden retriever
   (in another book). How about a greyhound, bulldog and poodle, John?

2) a good wolf model, with personality as the one pictured in Creative
   Origami (Kasahara), but single-squared.

        Carlos
        furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:45:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sy Chen <sychen@erols.com>
Subject: Re: New Book: Awesome Origami

I am checking if this book - Awesome Origami is worthy for me to get.
Please fill the blank if you know other sources.

>
>Baby Bald Eagle,  Julia Ko
>Alfred Hitchcock,  Michael Adcock
>Heart Stick Pin,  Daniel Stillman
>Jester,  Michael Adcock
>4 Pointed, Multi-Form Star,  Daniel E. Moraseski
>Mother Swan and Two Cygnets,  Aaron Einbond
>Spotted Bunny,  Jimmy Kane
>Screaming Michael,  Daniel Stillman
>Eric's Dragon,  Eric Barr
>Penguin,  Michael LaFosse - [A]
>Dove,  Michael LaFosse
>Flapping Bat,  Julia Einbond
>Pot-Bellied Pig,  Paul Fischer
>Heron,  Gabriel Willow - [A]
>White Ibis,  Gabriel Willow - [E]
>Beaver,  Gabriel Willow - [A]
>Lady Bug,  Aaron Einbond - [B]
>Flower Arrangement,  Troy Elliot
>Luna Moth,  Kevin Thorne
>Rocket,  Kevin Thorne
>Kiwi,  Eric Anderson
>Manatee,  Gabriel Willow - [E]
>Perching Hawk,  Eric Anderson
>Tower Boxes,  Winson Chan
>Surfer on a Wave,  Jeremy Shafer - [D]
>Ballon Man,  Alasdair Post-Quinn
>Weasel,  Gabriel Willow - [E]
>Opossum,  Aaron Einbond
>Rearing Dragon,  Marc Kirschenbaum - [C]
>Folding the Blintz Base,  Jeremy Shafer - [B]
>Folding the Preliminary Base,  Jeremy Shafer - [B]

[A] OUSA Annual Collections '96
[B] OUSA Annual Collections '97
[C] Mythical Beings by Jay Ansill
[D] http://www.krmusic.com/barf/surfette/surfette.htm
[E] ftp://ftp.rug.nl/origami/models/index.htm





Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:55:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: Dennis Walker <d_and_m_walker@compuserve.com>
Subject: German Shepherd model?

Ken,

        May I suggest the 'Coyote' model in John Montroll's North American
Animals in Origami. It is often mistaken for a dog.

                        My sympathies to you and your wife

                                Dennis Walker





Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 18:13:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: Howard Portugal <howardp@fast.net>
Subject: Re: German Shepherd model?

Kenneth,

Sorry to hear about your dog. My wife is a vet so I know how
attached people can be to their animals. I believe that John
Montroll wrote a book which contained several dogs among which
was a German Shepherd. Perhaps someone else on the list can
help with the title.

>Kenneth Lehner wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Our dog died last week, and I would dearly like to make a
> German Shepherd model for my wife.

--
Howard Portugal   |  When you have eliminated the impossible,
West Chester, PA  |  whatever remains, however improbable,
howardp@fast.net  |  must be the truth.
                 |  Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
                 |  Sherlock Holmes, in The Sign of Four, ch. 6 (1889).





Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 18:32:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Contractors Exchange <contract@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: German Shepherd model?

At 05:16 PM 8/26/97 -0300, Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@ahand.unicamp.br>
wrote:

>Now two _personal_ wishes:
>2) a good wolf model, with personality as the one pictured in Creative
>   Origami (Kasahara), but single-squared.

This was actually done before. Many years ago, Robert Lang mailed me a
model called a "One-piece Two-piece Kasahara Wolf" (or something like
that). It had a weird looking inner structure and the whole concept was
quite funny. I have a feeling this model will be lost somewhere in the Lang
archives (I have not heard about it in about 10 years).

Marc





Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 18:57:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@ahand.unicamp.br>
Subject: Re: German Shepherd model?

>>There is a model that I think is of a wolf in Viva Origami.  I used it to
>>make a model of my dog Teddy who is part German shepherd.
>>Donna Walcavage

Good suggestion. Just two problems with that otherwise nice model:
1) If I remember well, it is actually a kitsune (fox) - almost
   no neck, long and full tail.
2) You either
   - are a lucky owner of "Viva! Origami" or
   - envy those who are (sorry, couldn't resist B^) )

   Carlos
   furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti

P.S. I forgot about other fabled out-of-print book: Origami Omnibus
also by Kasahara has a four-legged fox which IMHO is better for a
German shepherd conversion - it has a longer, erect neck, and pointed
erect ears. Curiously, the drawing of the finished model does
not exactly match the last diagram, and resembles a dog even better
(the body could be somewhat heavier though).





Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 19:15:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Marius Kirsch)
Subject: Re: Success report: Tiger by Nishikawa Seiji

Hi!

On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Joseph Wu wrote:
> Howdy! 8)

Feeling grand, thank you. %-}

> > <greed>Any way of getting those diagrams?</greed>
> Well, you could subscribe to the newsletter...

Hm. Hmmmm. Does anyone have the address of the Origami Tanteidan and
information about how one can subscribe to their newsletter?

> > this will still take some weeks, since I'm now going on holiday and have
> > not yet had the time to scan them in. Sorry for the delay.
> Take your time. 8)

I came home this afternoon, but as you can guess, I didn't have time to
scan them in yet. :-) I promise I'll get it done.

Yours, Sebastian               sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de,skirsch@t-online.de
