




Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 01:22:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: mplewinska@mindspring.com (Magdalena Cano Plewinska)
Subject: Re: Im-Dock

On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 18:50:24 -0300 (ADT), DLister891@aol.com wrote:

>wonderful sunny weather

Sunny weather in England? You expect us to believe this?  :))))

I have a gap in my origami-l messages on August (not July) 3rd, 4th
and 5th. They also slowed down quite a bit around August 8-10. I
noticed from the messages that people were complaining about not
getting any mail on other dates. (I deduced the dates from the
headers, so I'm not sure it was the same day they wrote and sent the
messages.) I am pretty sure that the listserver was down on the days I
got no mail from the list because I have my origami-l mail sent to
three different addresses (I *hate* getting kicked off the list) and I
didn't get mail at any of them.

Glad you have a working keyboard again. You don't realize how much you
depend on something until it isn't working right, do you? And *no one*
on the list would want to miss your wonderful essays on origami
history and personalities.

   - Magda Plewinska
     Miami, FL, USA
     email: mplewinska@mindspring.com





Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:46:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: overquotezzzzzzz

Cathy Palmer-Lister <cathypl@generation.net> sez

>No luck, I still see gibberish.  I can normally receive attached files, so

With the greatest of respect Cathy, you didn't have to send all that
gibberish for a second time. Less noise, more signal please!

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk





Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:46:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kenny1414@aol.com
Subject: Re: paper and clay

In a message dated 97-08-15 18:08:17 EDT, you write:

<< Does anyone else know of any other truly different papers? >>

I don't know how well it folds, but Edmund Scientific used to
(and probably still does) have in their catalog a liquid-crystal-
impregnated paper. I thought it might be nice to fold a
Robert Neale Dragon that changed color when you touched it,
but never had the money to lay in a supply.

Aloha (from Lansing, MI),

Kenneth Kawamura    kenny1414@aol.com





Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:47:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: RE: (NO) Problem reading file.

Rick,
At 18.12 15/8/1997 -0300, you wrote:
>The only thing worse than attaching a file, is responding to the list with
>an "I didn't get it" and proceeding to copy the entire thing to us again!!!

I agree !!! And, on a more personal ground, these two persons have entirely
quoted the 30-kbyte attachment by JJ, only to add these few lines:

>No luck, I still see gibberish.  I can normally receive attached files, so
>maybe you could try sending me your pictures privately. (Cathy Palmer-Lister)

>Seems this one only came thru as gobbledeegook tho :(( (Jaelle)

I'm _very_ annoyed by this. So, dear friends, PLEASE don't do this again....
make a habit of _clipping_ off 99% of quotes from other messages -
especially those which are mostly composed by rubbish ! >:-(

please !
pleas  !
plea   !
ple    !
pl     !
p      !

thx !

    _\|/_
   ( > o )
-oOO-(_)-OOo-
   Roberto





Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:47:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: sun in GB - official

Magdalena Cano Plewinska <mplewinska@mindspring.com> sez

>>wonderful sunny weather
>Sunny weather in England? You expect us to believe this?  :))))

Yes, it's true - I can confirm this....

all the best,

Nick "sweating" Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:36:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mary & Bruce Thornhill <thorn01@gte.net>
Subject: Folding Mad Corsicans

Hello all,

I have lurked here on the Origami list for quite some time now reading
and learning from the wonderful posts that come and go.  Being a lowly
novice folder I have a question burning to be asked.

Just how do you fold a Mad Corsican?  Is it better to flatten the Mad
Corsican before folding? If so, how? How do you make sure you wind up
with a truely square piece?  What do you trim with? AND what do you
crease it with?

Thanks for all the fun and information!!!

Mary Thornhill





Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 23:48:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: ceramic paper

>At 03:18 PM 7/29/97 -0300, Joseph Wu wrote:
>>There's a paper with a porcelain coating that can be
>>folded and then fired. The paper burns away, leaving the porcelain. I
>>don't know who or where, though.
>
     It so happens that when I visited relatives in Southern California
over 10 years ago I came across a store which carried ceramic paper.  I
bought a few sheets and folded a turtle with one of them and had it fired
for me by the store, in return for whidh I folded them something.  The
turtle was a little out of shape, and they do mention in their ad that it
may be necessary to support  the figure while firing, for which thy had a
porcelainpaper  prop.  In addition there was a split in the middle of the
back of the turtle, indicating the need for some support.  The resulting
product was indeed brittle ceramic.  They had put a brown glaze on the top
and on the neck.  In addition I left some folded pieces to be fired, but
later learned that they were destroyed during a fairly strong earthquake,
which we experienced as a shaking house just before we left.
     At the time the ceramic paper was advertized as a new product which
they had added to their catalog.  The obvious thing to do is to get in
contact with the store for more information:
     Westwood Ceramic Supply, 14400 Lomitas Ave., City of Industry, CA
91746  (818-330-0631)
(Theinformation sheet from which I was quoting was dated 9-15-86).





Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 12:09:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: helena@mast.queensu.ca
Subject: diagraming tesselations

Hello again,

Yesterday I tried writing instructions for one of the
tesselations I'd made; but it took 9 sheets of paper
and nearly 50 diagrams - and it's not really a difficult
one to fold, so that seemed a bit ridiculous.  That
took long enough just doing it all by hand.  If I want
to do diagrams on a computer and put them on the web
it will take forever.  I think I need some lessons in
diagramming things.  Anyone got any advice?  If there's
anyone out there who's good at diagraming and who would
be able to help me, maybe you could let me know and I
could send a copy of the instructions I wrote, so I can
get advice on how to simplify and improve them.

Helena
helena@mast.queensu.ca





Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 13:58:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: Problem reading file.

JJ,
At 14.44 16/8/1997 -0300, you wrote:

>       I'll be back in 2 weeks, which, at the current rate of around 10 mails a
>day, will mean that I will have to read around 150 messages.

WELCOME BACK !  As you see, you'll probably have to read a bit more than 150
messages....>:->
In Italy we have a saying: "Did you want the bicycle ? And now.... PEDAL !"

Roberto
    _\|/_
   ( o o )
-oOO-(_)-OOo-
Roberto Morassi
Via Palestro 11
51100 PISTOIA
ITALY
tel & fax (+)39-573-20436
E-mail <morassi@zen.it>
=========================
Please DON'T quote my full
message in reply... I KNOW
what I have written ! :-)





Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 13:58:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jack & Emma Craib <gearhead@snet.net>
Subject: Re: paper and clay

While I have never seen that paper, I have used clay enough to think one
_should_ be able to dip your own or even better , air brush. (Not to say
you won't go nuts getting it to work.) It would have to be damp to
use...perhaps the paper would have to be fibrous to key into the clay a
bit.  On the other hand... could you airbrush the clay slip on a model
after folding?  It would be a different effect and not so cool
though...but possibly more do-able for casual sculptural projects.  True
porcelain fires very close to the melting point of that clay
formula...perhaps the clay was just white but not truly fused into the
transluscence of a porcelain. Emma





Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:23:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: Philip Woo <philwoo@erols.com>
Subject: Re: No Sex?

Hello everybody
  To Kim Best,who wrote about origami "There is no sex." Madam, I beg to
differ! Origami is VERY sexy. In fact, just like life , origami
is what you make it.
  This being my first posting,let me introduce myself. I am  Philip
Woo.I'm a musician by trade. I have been travelling for many years,
and have had the pleasure of exposing origami to many who may not have
otherwise experienced it.
  I will share a romantic origami story. A few years back, I boarded a
crowded plane. Upon reaching my row, I couldn't halp notice that an
attractive woman was trying to hog my seat,hoping to sleep across it .
"I'm sorry to see you" she told me,which I didn't take as a friendly
greeting.She chatted with an elderly couple on her other side, and
ignored me.We both slept for a couple hours, at which point I woke up
and started practicing some folding. She became very intereted in
what I was doing , and began conversation.For fun, I started to make
romantic - themed models: Maekawa's flower,Kawasaki's rose,some
Yoshizawa flowers,a few Ow hearts,a few butterflies, a lot of animals,
etc,
  Well, suddenly , she grabbed me and gave me a BIG kiss.(Not an
American kiss) In front of the elderly couple(they were shocked),in
front of the stewardess,the whole plane. Actually, I was pretty shocked
, but hey, who says's that origami has to be only for
math enthusiasts or rocket
scientists?                                                 My
introduction to folding  came from my Uncle Billy.He was a professional
gambler for many years ,and his adventure stories were,
literally, endless.Uncle Billy used origami as a betting device;
He had a dollar bowtie model that he invented,and he would bet that his
victims  couldn't refold the model, even after showing them the folding
sequence.  One of my money folding books mentions this gambling with a
bowtie dollar was common in my father's generation.
  All of this is to say,origami is different for each of us. To the
guy who's hollering about John Montroll being an alien,Hey, we need
a little irreverent humor around here.
  Back to "There is no sex". What? No sex? Haven't you seen those
naughty napkin folds? Ive heard of but never seen, a series of erotic
models by Toyoaki Kawai. Anybody know about this? Ahh,I think that
a little well-placed origami cant hurt if you are after someone's
heart.After being bombarded with romantic origami , my fiance gave in to
my persistance.Now we spend time relaxing and folding together.
  Still, my fellow musicians occasionally request a heart , or
something cute to give to a potential acquaintance,a way to break the
ice. It rarely fails . No sex, indeed.
   I'd like to take time to say,to all of you who welcomed me at
Convention 97, thank you for extending yourselves in friendship ,sharing
and kindness. I look forward to more in the future .

                                                  Philip Woo





Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 15:07:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: John Smith <jon.pure@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Re: paper and clay

At 05:03 PM 8/15/97 -0300, you wrote:
>At 03:18 PM 7/29/97 -0300, Joseph Wu wrote:
>>There's a paper with a porcelain coating that can be
>>folded and then fired. The paper burns away, leaving the porcelain. I
>>don't know who or where, though.
>

Many years ago Nakano visited the UK (David Lister will know when!) He
brought as a gift a crane which was white and matt in appearance. He told us
it was folded from clay impregnated paper and then fired. I am sure it was
not shiny in appearance so I doubt that it was porcelain. It was a very
beautiful object but very very fragile. In fact it fractured when one of our
members was holding it.

I have long wanted to try out this material but as yet I have never found any.

The other dream I have is using the plastic material with memory
(temperature). I can see a flat sheet of material which when heated folds
itself into a bird or butterfly.

Is anticipation really better than realisation?

John.
John Smith
Norwich
England
e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 16:06:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: diagraming tesselations

Sometimes origami designs can be much harder to diagram
than to make or teach. This is especially true if the
model goes through 3 dimensional stages, even if you're
a pretty good at drawing. You might try starting with
just a crease map, showing the final direction of each
crease (valley fold, mountain fold).

Also, it may not be necessary to completely diagram the
tessellation, folders who are familiar with the process
may be able to do with less. The "Rose Tessellation"
diagrams on my web site (in the Jackson Encyclopedia
section) are not complete diagrams, just a crease map,
and drawings of some intermediate stages, that final
model, and a photo. But several people have used them
successfully.

--valerie
Valerie_Vann@compuserve.com
  Mostly Modular/Geometric Origami Web Pages:
    http://people.delphi.com/vvann/index.html
    http://members.aol.com/valerivann/index.html





Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 17:11:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Compuserve oddities...

Robby/Laura/Lisa wrote:
> Does this mean that only _that_
> person can't read your message, and all others in the list get it normally ?
> Please help, somebody.... <:-)

Not that it will help Magdalena Plewinska who is the owner
of the full mailbox, but you're right about what is happening.
I suppose she will be asking whether she's been dropped from
the list pretty soon, or whenever she gets back from vacation
or whatever she's up to.
And we won't even be able to tell her what is going on...
guess I'll mail the compuserve postmaster about it and see
what he can do.
OTOH, I could simply unsubscribe Magdalena so Compuserve's
electronic postmaster won't spam us anymore, but I'm VERY
reluctant to do this since it's not exactly good manners.

Matthias, muttering something about stupid Compuserve...





Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 17:30:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mr & Mrs Owen <djowen@pcl.net>
Subject: Re: Compuserve oddities...

When I sent my message wondering if anyone could see it   I also received
back an error telling me that my mailbox was full.  I hadn't received mail
all week.  Actually since two days after I unsubscribed and subscribed
again.  Today I found I was unsubscribed again. I've tried to subscribe
again.  I've been doing this for a couple weeks.  It's fun, but I really
rather read your letters than the ones from listserver.

 I'll be in and out.
mother of the folder

----------
> From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject: Compuserve oddities...
> Date: Sunday, August 17, 1997 3:11 PM
>
> Robby/Laura/Lisa wrote:
> > Does this mean that only _that_
> > person can't read your message, and all others in the list get it
normally ?
> > Please help, somebody.... <:-)
>
> Not that it will help Magdalena Plewinska who is the owner
> of the full mailbox, but you're right about what is happening.
> I suppose she will be asking whether she's been dropped from
> the list pretty soon, or whenever she gets back from vacation
> or whatever she's up to.
> And we won't even be able to tell her what is going on...
> guess I'll mail the compuserve postmaster about it and see
> what he can do.
> OTOH, I could simply unsubscribe Magdalena so Compuserve's
> electronic postmaster won't spam us anymore, but I'm VERY
> reluctant to do this since it's not exactly good manners.
>
>
> Matthias, muttering something about stupid Compuserve...





Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:20:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: Chess Sets

I am not a chess player, but chess sets have always seemed to me to be
perfect for origami as the art and design can be so compelling.  I folded a
few last year (Neale's, from _Origami: Plain and Simple_).  After I had them
folded, I began to wonder if they were any good for playing the game at all.

-Do chess players have preferences for the types of pieces they play with?
Somehow it seems like the heavy marble pieces would make for a more
satisfying game.  I read a quote from a local player that referred to making
definitive moves/hearing the sound of the piece as it contacts the board.
Origami pieces are very lightweight, even if you heavily coat them like you
would jewelry.  Do players mind playing with lightweight pieces?

-Schools are often pushing chess clubs now as a way of teaching various
analytical and abstract thinking skills to young kids.  If origami chess
sets are acceptable sets for actual play, are there chess clubs in low
income areas or other settings which could use extra or practice(folding)
origami sets?  They might be lightweight to play with, but that makes them
easy to mail!

Carol Hall
chall@scsn.net





Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 22:12:02 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Daniel J. Byrne & Candice Bradley" <djbyrne@pop.athenet.net>
Subject: (no) getting bumped off the list

I used to have a lot of trouble with origami-l when I was in Zimbabwe,
but now that I'm back with my local internet provider, I've gotten every
message.  The internet in Zim is very unpredictable because of poor
local phone lines and ongoing problems with the nodes in South Africa
and onward.  I got bumped all the time.  I think there most certainly
must be an internet provider slash origami-l interaction problem.  Other
lists I've belonged to have not had these problems and I wonder if there
isn't some fix that can be done on the origami-l end so that folks'
statuses on origami-l done change so easily when their internet
providers, for one reason or another (e.g., volume, phone line
problems), reject messages.

By the way, I saw the tail-end of an origami segment on one of those
daytime shows this week, hometime or one of those.  They were
demonstrating a sliding modular piece (the creator's name was given
too) and there were a whole bunch of other pieces on the counter.
Anyone else see this?

Candice Bradley





Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 22:25:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Daniel J. Byrne & Candice Bradley" <djbyrne@pop.athenet.net>
Subject: blind origami

I had a N. American university student in Zimbabwe who was having a
hard time.  She was minimally sighted, and though her blindness did not
prove to be a great obstacle overseas, she had a lot of emotional
adjustment problems. After she stayed at my house for a few days I
realized that she depended almost entirely on other people to keep her
mind busy.  She seemed to have few inner resources.  I therefore decided
to teach her some origami.  The young woman has a wonderful memory.
With my instructions and the little sight she had, she learned very
quickly to make a crane. I was amazed.  Her work was so perfect.  Every
edge was perfect.  She made several cranes and they were beautiful.

I am not sure that it is necessary to have braille origami instructions.
This young woman figured it all out with her fingertips.  Tactile
instructions in the form of squares folded demonstrating each stage of a
model might be the best solution.

I think origami is a wonderful activity for blind young people.

Candice Bradley





Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 00:18:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: Janell Jarman <jarman@digitalpla.net>
Subject: Harmonica

My five-year-old son asked me today if I could make a working origami
harmonica.  How about?  Can any of you whistle experts answer this one?
Sounds like an intriguing challenge, doesn't it?  And PLEASE, don't
anyone tell me to wrap a piece of wax paper around a comb!





Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 02:01:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mr & Mrs Owen <djowen@pcl.net>
Subject: Re: Harmonica

Origami Harmonica....what a concept!!
My son's suggestion had to do with origami paper and a comb.  Sorry.  I
think the foil origami paper has some potential.  Would aluminum foil be
cheating?  I know to make sound  there needs to be vibrations.  This is as
far as I can think it through, but I have insomnia so I'll have some time
to think.  I can fold, but I hope some better folders will answer you.
mother of the folder.

----------
> From: Janell Jarman <jarman@digitalpla.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject: Harmonica
> Date: Sunday, August 17, 1997 10:20 PM
>
> My five-year-old son asked me today if I could make a working origami
> harmonica.  How about?  Can any of you whistle experts answer this one?
> Sounds like an intriguing challenge, doesn't it?  And PLEASE, don't
> anyone tell me to wrap a piece of wax paper around a comb!





Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 03:32:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: jaelle <jaelle1@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: Harmonica

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Janell Jarman wrote:

> My five-year-old son asked me today if I could make a working origami
> harmonica.  How about?  Can any of you whistle experts answer this
> one?
> Sounds like an intriguing challenge, doesn't it?  And PLEASE, don't
> anyone tell me to wrap a piece of wax paper around a comb!

   That is a good challange . I am can fold but have not learned to
create yet. But a harminica is a reed instrument ... it has tiny reeds
inside that vibrate when blown ... each a different sized reed so that
woud REALLY be a challange
I would liek to see it to.

jaelle

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:25:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: (NO and longish): Re: Compuserve oddities...

Valerie Vann wrote:
> <<stupid compuserve>>
> How about stupid listserver program?? That's what's
> kicking the mail all the way back to the original
> sender!  :-)

I don't see how that could happen. The listserver only
accepts mail from subscribers. Postmaster@compuserve.com
is NOT subscribed, so the listserver would bounce any mail
sent back to the postmaster.
I think what is happening is that the compuserve electronic
postmaster sees the mailbox is full and sends his reply to
the e-mail address showing in the "From:" field, and not to
the one in the "Reply-to" field, which would be origami-l@nstn.ca.
The "From:" field shows the address of the person that sent the mail
to origami-l. Just check the headers of an origami-l message to
verify this.

> How about just setting Magdelena to Postpone?

OK, I'll try to do that and keep sending e-mail to Magdalena
informing her of that fact until, someday in the future, the
electronic postmaster won't bounce mails anymore :-).

Matthias, forging headers again...





Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:26:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: richardd@redac.co.uk (Richard Davies)
Subject: Re: Chess sets

> After my request for origami chess sets, I was told about BOS booklet #7
> "Chess Sets of Martin Wall, Max Hulme & Neal Elias" (Thanks Pat) However,
> this booklet is no longer in the list on BOS's supply page so I am assumin'
> it has gone to the "gone for now but hopefully reprinted one day" pile. If
> anyone has this book or information about where to find one, please,
> PLEASE, let me know.

This has got to be the BOS booklet I'd like the most. There seems to be some
demand for it, is there any chance of it becoming available?

Cheers,

Rich

Richard Davies                Tel:         01684  294161 (ext 328)
Software Engineer             Fax:         01684  299754
Zuken-Redac Ltd                E-Mail:       richardd@redac.co.uk





Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:53:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Chess sets

Richard Davies wrote:
+This has got to be the BOS booklet I'd like the most. There seems to be some
+demand for it, is there any chance of it becoming available?

That is an interesting point.  So far I've seen a handful of folks on
origami-l express some level of interest in that (and other B.O.S.
booklets).  What I don't know is how well, if at all, that correlates
with general interest.  I'm sure that B.O.S. can't afford to reprint
only one or two dozen booklets, and if they do more and only sell that
many, they're tying up funds in "stock" that isn't selling.  I'd much
rather see a reprint of series of BOS booklets, sold as a clump.
Either separately printed, or printed on the next larger size paper
(A4?), two pages to one (the beauty of A-series paper).  I'm told this
isn't likely to happen.

-D'gou





Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:59:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: Compuserve oddities...

Matthias,
At 17.11 17/8/1997 -0300, you wrote:

>Not that it will help Magdalena Plewinska who is the owner
>of the full mailbox, but you're right about what is happening.
>I suppose she will be asking whether she's been dropped from
>the list pretty soon, or whenever she gets back from vacation
>or whatever she's up to.

I don't think she will be asking anything..... On browsing the list of
origami-l recipients, I see that Magdalena is subscribed with no less than
_three_ different e-mail addresses ! :-) Magda, if you are reading here
would you please unsubscribe the "fat" mailbox ??? Thx !

Roberto

    _\|/_
   ( o o )
-oOO-(_)-OOo-
Roberto Morassi
Via Palestro 11
51100 PISTOIA
ITALY
tel & fax (+)39-573-20436
E-mail <morassi@zen.it>
=========================
Please DON'T quote my full
message in reply... I KNOW
what I have written ! :-)





Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:00:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: (NO and longish): Re: Compuserve oddities...

Matthias,

At 10.26 18/8/1997 -0300, you wrote:

>I think what is happening is that the compuserve electronic
>postmaster sees the mailbox is full and sends his reply to
>the e-mail address showing in the "From:" field, and not to
>the one in the "Reply-to" field, which would be origami-l@nstn.ca.

Thanks goodness ! This is the only positive side of all this trouble....

Just think what would happen if the error message were sent back to the list
! In addition to everybody getting the error messages of everybody else,
such messages would ALSO be sent to the stupid "full" mailbox thus
originating another batch of self-quoting error messages, which would be
sent to the list again, and so on to infinity (ot until total lock-up of the
Net)..... <8-O

Never heard about a "fast growing chain reaction" ?

Roberto

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:07:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: mplewinska@mindspring.com (Magdalena Cano Plewinska)
Subject: Re: junk mail question

On Mon, 18 Aug 1997 12:33:47 -0300 (ADT), DORIGAMI@aol.com wrote:

>What are you origami guys doing to get rid of junk mail.  I am going crazy
>trying to get rid of it.  Any ideas? Dorigami

Filters is the only way I know. I don't know how AOL mail works, but
the program I use lets me reject any mail that doesn't have my name in
the "To:" or "Cc:" fields or isn't from a mailing list I subscribe to.
That takes care of most of the junk. MindSpring also has a service
called "The Spaminator" which filters out certain domains from your
mailbox if you subscribe to it. I've noticed a drop in junk mail since
I've subscribed.

   - Magda Plewinska
     Miami, FL, USA
     email: mplewinska@mindspring.com





Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:23:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jester4319@aol.com
Subject: Re: No Sex?

In a message dated 8/18/97 04:48:18, you wrote:

<<Maekawa's flower,Kawasaki's rose,some
Yoshizawa flowers,a few Ow hearts,a few butterflies, a lot of animals>>

Hi, I read one of your postings and came across some interesting things that
you said you know how to make. I would like to learn some of these. Would it
ne possible foy to send me  some instructions or where I can go to get the
instructions??  Thank You for your help,  Michael Wada





Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:44:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kenny1414@aol.com
Subject: Re: Harmonica

> But a harminica is a reed instrument ... it has tiny reeds
> inside that vibrate when blown ... each a different sized reed so that
> woud REALLY be a challange

The different sized reeds aren't a problem, I think.

Umm, I can't  quite finish this design, but,
imagine, say, pleating a square into quarters.
Then box-pleat at right angles to the first pleats,
 forming parallel "pipes", but leave a center
divider. That divider is the reed.
Pinch the pipes off at different depths.

On second thought, you may need the pipes
to be open at both ends, in which case you want
the pipes parallel to the first pleats, but still
want that center divider for the reed, folded on
a diagonal to get a range of reed sizes.

The general design should make a panpipe, too.

I can't quite visualize the details, but this idea
seems workable.

Aloha, from Lansing, MI,

Kenneth Kawamura    kenny1414@aol.com





Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:47:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kenny1414@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: Good way to handle spam (junk email)

A suggestion passed on from my friend Keven.
I don't know where he got this from.

Aloha, from Lansing, MI,
Kenneth Kawamura    kenny1414@aol.com
---------------------
Forwarded message:
From:   lewiskev@pilot.msu.edu (Keven Lewis)
Date: 97-08-18 11:26:19 EDT

Ken:  here's the IRS address you wanted.  Keven.

(various forwarding addresses removed)

>
>When you send a complaint (with full headers and all) to reputable
>postmasters, don't forget to send a copy to the IRS.
>
>It seems they did a quick study of spammers and found that a lot of
>them forgot to report the income they get from their virtual
>businesses.
>
>So the IRS, everybody's favorite care bears in wingtips, set up an
>e-mail list to gather suspects.
>
>    net-abuse@nocs.insp.irs.gov
>
>Any info you send will help your favorite spammers the attention they
>are craving.
>

==========================================================================
Keven Lewis                               lewiskev@pilot.msu.edu
711 North Harrison Road                   (517) 351-3496
East Lansing, Michigan  48823-3018





Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:49:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: Robert Allan Schwartz <notbob@tessellation.com>
Subject: Re: diagraming tesselations

>Hello again,
>
>Yesterday I tried writing instructions for one of the
>tesselations I'd made; but it took 9 sheets of paper
>and nearly 50 diagrams - and it's not really a difficult
>one to fold, so that seemed a bit ridiculous.  That
>took long enough just doing it all by hand.  If I want
>to do diagrams on a computer and put them on the web
>it will take forever.  I think I need some lessons in
>diagramming things.  Anyone got any advice?  If there's
>anyone out there who's good at diagraming and who would
>be able to help me, maybe you could let me know and I
>could send a copy of the instructions I wrote, so I can
>get advice on how to simplify and improve them.
>
>Helena
>helena@mast.queensu.ca

Helena, I just downloaded all your tessellation images, and am WOWED! I
really want to learn how to make them. Thanks for sharing them with us.

If diagramming is too time-intensive, then what about having someone
videotape you make them? I would buy a copy of the videotape. Or perhaps
the tape can be converted to MPEG files, that we could download.

Robert

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:57:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: tait@earthlink.net
Subject: L.I.F.E. fest

Thank you to all you L.I.F.E.'ers for a wonderful folding fest!It was
a quite a fun filled day with much teaching, sharing, and of friends
getting together...

A very special hello and thank you to Rachel- a great hostess and
teacher. Our table had quite a nice group of waltzer's thanks to you.
(da-da--da-da-daaa quack-quack quack-quack)(keep the nickel- you deserve
it.)

Ros- thanks for your generosity in sharing of paper and of teaching cool
models. Also enjoyed mini wetfold class. Taught me to expand in my paper
collecting abilities (as if I needed to already).

Thanks again to all-

Regards,
Tricia

P.S. Oh so glad I moved back!





Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:06:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: helena@mast.queensu.ca
Subject: Re: diagraming tessellations

Gosh, I never imagined anyone would want to watch me fold anything.
Anyway, I'm glad you like the tessellations.  Perhaps I can just put up
crease patterns for now, as Valerie suggested.  Anyone who has experience
with tessellations should find them pretty easy.  For some tessellations
crease pattern is probably pretty much all you need anyway.  But I don't
think folding from a crease pattern is a very traditional way to do things,
and I think folding a crane say, would be far harder from a crease pattern
than from standard instructions.  It's true that seeing someone do the three
dimensional step can help a lot.  I showed quite a few people who had no
experience of folding from crease patterns how to do very simple tessellations
I think crease patterns might put some people off. I might be wrong though.
Anyway, I guess I might as well work out the crease
patterns, and put them on my web page some time before long.
I wish there was a computer program that you could give a crease pattern
to, and it would write out all the folding instructions.  I guess that's
theoretically impossible?
Helena

helena@mast.queensu.ca





Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:07:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Harmonica

>> But a harminica is a reed instrument ... it has tiny reeds
>> inside that vibrate when blown ... each a different sized reed so that
>> woud REALLY be a challange
>

>I can't quite visualize the details, but this idea
>seems workable.
>
>Aloha, from Lansing, MI,
>
>Kenneth Kawamura    kenny1414@aol.com

The basic problem of getting a sound from a paper instrument is to get a
musical sound.  Having learned to fold Vicente Palacio's whistle at the New
York convention, one approach I see is to take advantage of that and put
two or three whistles together.  Getting a sound out of a single whistle is
not easy.  The sound is made by having a chamber with a hole with an edge
against which air of blown through a mouthpiece.  The sound is made by
aiming the air at the edge of the top of the hole, which causes a
disturbance in the flow of air and if one is lucky a clear sound comes out.
The reliance is not on a reed but action on a rigid  edge, which is how a
flute and whistle works,  according to an article that I read.  There is a
problem of how to get different sounds from a whistle, on which whistle
blowers can do some research.  The hole as well as the chamber can be
varied in size, to start with.  James M. Sakoda
James M. Sakoda, origami dollar bill foldings in pdf form:
http://idt.net/~kittyv





Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:27:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net>
Subject: Re: Harmonica

Janell Jarman wrote:
>
> My five-year-old son asked me today if I could make a working origami
> harmonica.  How about?  Can any of you whistle experts answer this one?
> Sounds like an intriguing challenge, doesn't it?  And PLEASE, don't
> anyone tell me to wrap a piece of wax paper around a comb!
Don't be silly, you use tissue paper!  (mulberry)
Perry
--
>From pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:46:34 -0300 (ADT)
From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net>
Subject: Re: Harmonica

I hate to be a wet blanket but I dont think an actual harmonica is
possible, reed pipes or even a sort of pan pipe yes, but the problem
with a harmonica is that it is not one but two reeds for each position,
one is a blow reed the other a draw or inhale reed.  But I do think that
if you had the patience and either worked from a very long strip of
paper or as a omdular a set of pipes is possible, though tuning would be
somewhat difficult, without perfect pitch.
Sorry for being pragmatic on this one
Perry
--
>From pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net

***************************************
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* you are.  B. Bonzai :?)'            *





Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 05:04:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: nienhuis@wgn.net (Bob Nienhuis)
Subject:

 Anybody know where Rob Hudson has gotten to? I notice his web page is
down and a message I tried to send to him was bounced as undeliverable.

Bob Nienhuis
nienhuis@wgn.net
Dollar Bill Origami Page:
http://www.wgn.net/~nienhuis/





Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 05:23:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Bateman A. G." <agb@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: diagraming tesselations

Robert Allan Schwartz wrote:
> Helena, I just downloaded all your tessellation images, and am WOWED! I
> really want to learn how to make them. Thanks for sharing them with us.
>
> If diagramming is too time-intensive, then what about having someone
> videotape you make them? I would buy a copy of the videotape. Or perhaps
> the tape can be converted to MPEG files, that we could download.
>
> Robert

Hi Robert,
          There are diagrams for some tessellations on my page, they
are a bit different in style from Helena's though.  There are some
"normal" diagrams, and some cut out and fold crease patterns for you
to try.

See URL
http://www.mrc-cpe.cam.ac.uk/jong/agb/origami.html

Bye for now
Alex

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- MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology
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- Phone: (01223) 402479
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:24:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kevin Kinney <kkinney@mail.carolinas.org>
Subject: Questions:  Old European Origami

Hi folks,
        This is probably a topic for David Lister, but I'm throwing it to
all of you, so we can all see the answer.

        I'm curious about the tradition of paperfolding in western Europe,
that is, older folds that were not imported from Japan or China.  I have in
mind specifically two factoids:

        1)  I recall a mention (I believe it's in Peter Engel's book) of a
strong Moorish/Spanish tradition of paperfolding, generally abstract forms
(due, I imagine to an Islamic prohibition against creating images of life).
Are these tesselations, or are there other forms as well:  stars,
containers, geometric forms?  Anyone know of some oldies among these?
Anyone have some dates for any of this?  Documentation?  (a Moorish Kan no
Modo?)

        2)  The fascinating Folds Web page at one time (at least) mentioned
that Leonardo Da Vinci had some interest in paperfolding.  I believe it,
with his interest in everything else, but is there any backup documentation
for it?  Do any nifty folds, or crease patterns appear in any of his works?

        That's what I know, I'd like a lot more.  Flood me with
information, please!

Kevin Kinney
kkinney@carolinas.org

Kevin Kinney
kkinney@carolinas.org





Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:20:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@pb.net>
Subject: Re: L.I.F.E. fest

Thanks to Trish for her kind words about our Fold Fest. It is the people who
came that made it! I count at least eight from this list including: Ellen
Aronson,. Barbara Syrett, Jan Polish, Dan Cohen., Ros Joyce, Trish Tait, Norma
Coblenz, and other notables like Gay M. Gross, Mark Kennedy and Arlene, Jean
Baden/Gillette,Tony Cheng, Phyllis Meth, Maria Velasques, June Sakomoto, Kay
Eng, Barbara Turner and Bob Volker...oh no, who am I forgetting? And a few
dozen more who contributed by being there.

Let's all do it again next year!

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:55:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@ahand.unicamp.br>
Subject: Re: Questions:  Old European Origami

About origami among Spaniards and Moors you can find information in
Spanish books (sorry, my copies are at home):

- La Creacion in Papiroflexia, by Vicente Palacios (it includes a
  truly monumental compendium of "pajaritas", the Spaniard equivalent
  to an American cootie-catcher, English salt-cellar or Japanese crane)
- El Libro de las Pajaritas de Papel, Grupo Riglos
- Papiroflexia, Eduardo Clemente
- El Libro de las Mascaras de Papel Plegado, Grupo Riglos

Folders in Spain are very proud of their origamic (or Papiroflexic, as
they say) tradition. Accordingly, *all* books mentioned above have a *long*
introduction about how paperfolding developed there independently from
the rest of the world. However, Moorish roots, although acknowledged, are
sparsely presented, with almost no models (no tesselation to be sure).
Prominent figures include Miguel de Unamuno and Dr. Solorzano.

IMHO, origami development in Spain mirrored that in Japan:
- for a long period, only simple models survived from an oral tradition
  (the pajarita is the strongest example)
- from the end of the last century up to the 1940's some isolated
  pioneers created new forms and attempted to set origami apart from
  children pastimes. The bird base was overused, but not in the
  creative sense of, say, Engel's kangaroo/giraffe, Montroll's mouse/
  rabbit/skunk in "O. for the Enthusiast" or the stretched bird base: you
  see a lot of abstract birds, three-legged mammals and one-leg humans.
- about the '50s origami was "globalized", several folders absorbed
  and merged tendencies.
- today a new generation is mixing traditional themes and "technical"
  developments (see Bas, Clemente & Voyer among others).

Other sources:
- Papiroflexia: a vueltas com papel, Grupo Zaragoza
- Fascinante Papiroflexia, Vicente Palacios
- Fascinating Origami, American edition with preface by Engel.

        Sincerely yours,
               Carlos
               furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:36:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: Robert Allan Schwartz <notbob@tessellation.com>
Subject: OrigamiUSA offering BOS books?

Would OrigamiUSA considering offering BOS books/booklets? Here are some
advantages:

1) There would be no currency exchange problems/costs.
2) Many more people might purchase such items.
3) It might be easier to ship/distribute/keep-in-stock.

Ideas?

Robert

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:55:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: How to retrieve messages

Hi all !

For those who have problems with lost messages, postponing etc., this seems
to be the simplest way to retrieve all past and recent messages from the
server archives:

(1) With an FTP client (e.g. WS_FTP) connect as "anonymous" to ftp.nstn.ca
(IP address 137.186.128.11). Change dir to /listserv/origami-l.
(Alternatively, you can use the ftp protocol of your browser:
ftp://ftp.nstn.ca/listserv/origami-l).

(2) You will see that all the messages are grouped monthly in
Unix-compressed files named yy-mm.z (for instance, the file 97-07.z contains
all the messages sent in July, 97) except those of the current month which
are not yet compressed and thus have no extension (97-08).

(3) If you want just the current month messages, simply download the file -
it is plain text.

(4) Otherwise, you can download the Z-compressed files and then uncompress
them. Recent releases of Winzip can do this, or...

(5) .... you can download the decompressor from the same site. Change dir to
./pub/pc-stuff/compression, and download the file tar_z.zip (or from the
browser, ftp://ftp.nstn.ca/pub/pc-stuff/compression/tar_z.zip). Unzip this
file to get tar.exe + uncomp.exe. Use the latter program from the DOS
prompt, e.g. uncomp <path>97.07.z, and it's all done.... :-)

Hope this helps.

Roberto

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E-mail <morassi@zen.it>
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message in reply... I KNOW
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:59:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jeffrey Rich <jeffrey@sirsi.com>
Subject: "iso-area twist folding"

Greetings,

  I recently bought Robert Lang's book _Origami in Action_, and in the
  description of one of the models there is this note:

    "Chris Palmer and Jeremy Shafer have devised whole families of twisted
    springy designs, including decorations, opening flowers, and self-propelled
    tops.  This model is based on a technique by Tohikazu Kawasaki that he
    calls 'iso-area twist folding'".

  Has anyone made any of these models?  Does anyone know where I can find more
  information or instructions to any of these kinds of folds?  Alternately,
  does anyone know how to contact Chris Palmer, Jeremy Shafer, or Mr. Kawasaki?
  I would love to pursue some of these ...

Thanks,
-Jeffrey Rich





Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:29:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: OrigamiUSA offering BOS books?

+Would OrigamiUSA considering offering BOS books/booklets? Here are some
+advantages:
+
+1) There would be no currency exchange problems/costs.
+2) Many more people might purchase such items.
+3) It might be easier to ship/distribute/keep-in-stock.
+
+Ideas?

They already do.  Check out the OUSA web site, and follow the shopping link.
Problem is that the catalog doesn't identify the BOS booklet items, you either
find out when you buy them, or you already know.  For example, the following
items picked at random from the shopping list are BOS booklets:

Beynon/MORE'IGAMI: 48 more models to challenge and delight an
experienced folder who appreciates ingenious (mostly geometric)
constructions and minimalist diagrams. 52 pp. Booklet. (I-HI).
#B10-218. $12.00

Corrie/ANIMAL ORIGAMI: 15 charming animals, including a bear, cat and pig;
clearly diagrammed. 39 pp. Booklet. (I) #B10-204. $9.00

Overmars/FOLDING LETTERMARKS I: 12 ways to fold the corners of your
stationery to create distinctive letters. 23 pp. Booklet. (S-I).
#B10-141.  $5.00

Petty/THE GENIUS OF JAN WILLEM DERKSEN: 31 challenging models, mostly
animals and geometrics, including a wonderful dimpled truncated
icosahedron (a football!), a fly and a stag head trophy. 69 pp.
Booklet.  (I-C).  #B10-312. $12.00

etc. etc.

So, I hear you say, if it says "Booklet" it is from B.O.S.!  Well, not
quite, there is at least one counter-example:

Stamm/DRAGON: One model of a wonderful 3-dimensional dragon complete
with head, wings and tail. 18 pp. Booklet. #B10-302. $4.50

I haven't the time or interest to pick out all of the entries or counter
examples.

If the booklet isn't in print, then OUSA can't stock it.  If you question of
"offering" really meant "printing/publishing," I would really like to hope
that the two organizations could work that out somehow, but I don't know the
actual history and personal politics involved, so I suspect the reality
doesn't live up to my hopes, human beans being what they are... ;-)

-D'gou
(submitted on 8/19/97 at 15:25pm Eastern US Time)





Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:33:43 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: How to retrieve messages

Yes, and maybe we'll get the list/site mangager's
attention if their FTP server has to start
working overtime...
:-)

The procedure Robert describes, by the way, will
get "current" traffic faster than the "regular"
archive site (where the files and things are), as
the latter is only updated once a month.

Valerie_Vann@compuserve.com





Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:45:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: How to retrieve messages

+Yes, and maybe we'll get the list/site mangager's
+attention if their FTP server has to start
+working overtime...
+:-)

Maybe.  Everytime I have tried that, the archives have been protected against
anonymous access.  I have pointed this out many times to the maintainer, but
maybe now it has been really fixed!

+The procedure Robert describes, by the way, will
+get "current" traffic faster than the "regular"
+archive site (where the files and things are), as
+the latter is only updated once a month.

I can't say how often Maarten updates that, but another place to go for
current origami-l messages is Alex Barber's web site:
    http://www.the-village.com/origami/
The origami-l search page has a link for getting today's email...

(Though I just tried it and found it isn't working, oops! - Head's up Alex!)

-D'gou
(Submitted on 8/19/97 at 16:42 Eastern US Time)





Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:14:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: joel@exc.com (Dr. Joel M. Hoffman)
Subject: flowers

I'm looking for a nice flower.  I'd like a flower and a stem,
naturally from one piece of paper, with no cutting.  Any suggestions?

Thanks.

-Joel
(joel@exc.com)





Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:27:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jester4319@aol.com
Subject: Re:  flowers

I am also looking for a flower with stem. Can anyone help?

Michael
jester4319@aol.com





Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 19:02:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: joel@exc.com (Dr. Joel M. Hoffman)
Subject: flowers

>Do you mean from one piece of paper, or from a square?  :-)  There is a
>difference you know.  I don't know of any models that have both the flower
>and stem from one uncut sheet.  You might be able to find a nice flower that
>you could make from a 1xN sheet such that you could use the extra paper as
>the stem (pleated, for example), but that depends on where the edges of the
>original paper end up in the final flower model, of course. ;-)

My first choice is from a square, but I'll take a 1xN rectangle.
Actually, I thought it would be pretty cool to make a stem for
Kawasaki's rose, but I've yet to find the time to try.

-Joel
(joel@exc.com)





Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 19:17:31 -0300 (ADT)
From: Chris Mayes <cemayes@erols.com>
Subject: Kawasaki Rose

I have done the rose in the archives diagrammed by Winston Chan, and have
seen the pictures of the original one in OFTC. I cannot find this book.
Some say it is out of print. Doesnt someone have diagrams based on the
original model? Scans from the book, anything.

Thanks,
Chris Mayes





Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:43:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Rob Moes <robert.moes@snet.net>
Subject: Re: flowers & stems

>My first choice is from a square, but I'll take a 1xN rectangle.
>Actually, I thought it would be pretty cool to make a stem for
>Kawasaki's rose, but I've yet to find the time to try.
>
>-Joel
>(joel@exc.com)

I devised a fairly pleasing stem that I find very satisfactory for
displaying the OFTC Kawasaki Rose.  I don't have diagrams, but I will try
to explain the Moes Stem   :)

Use a square of the same size as you used for the flower.  I like tissue
foil for this one.  Make a frog base out of it, with all the tips facing
up.  This results in four large flaps which can be pulled down and
fashioned into leaves and four little triangular flaps which can be
inserted into the body of the flower to serve as a lock.

For the leaves I just pull each flap down, make upside-down v-shaped folds
to simulate a vein pattern:  alternate valley-folds and mountain-folds
about every 1/4 inch, from the body of the leaf out to the tip.  It
sacrifices the totally flat leaf shape, but does allow an overall curled
and sculpted leaf appearance which goes well with the flower.

For the stem itself I simply twist and twist the lower half of the frog
base as tightly as I can.  The resulting stem will not be a long one, but
at least with a tissue foil it won't look so bulky.  You will find that
this twisting action pulls the leaves from vertical into more of a
horizontal position and opens up the base of the flower stem, such that the
rose can be made to sit on top of it, with the triangular little locking
flaps standing straight up.  They should be very similar in size to the
four locking flaps for the flower--I guess it's a little like screwing the
flower onto its base the way you would a light bulb.  If I use tweezers to
curl the locking flaps into place, it will even hold the flower when held
upside-down!

I like to display the rose using two of the leaves and the stem as a tripod.

One of these years I will try to bring some to the convention....  Good
luck, if you decide to try this!

Rob
robert.moes@snet.net





Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:00:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net>
Subject: Re: OrigamiUSA offering BOS books?

Robert Allan Schwartz wrote:
>
>Would OrigamiUSA considering offering BOS books/booklets? Here are some
> advantages:
> 1) There would be no currency exchange problems/costs.
> 2) Many more people might purchase such items.
> 3) It might be easier to ship/distribute/keep-in-stock.
>
> Ideas?
I don't think the problem here would be with OUSA, I think the Larger
problem would getting consent from the BOS.
Perry
--
>From pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 06:08:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@erols.com>
Subject: Re: flowers

Dr. Joel M. Hoffman wrote:
>
> I'm looking for a nice flower.  I'd like a flower and a stem,
> naturally from one piece of paper, with no cutting.  Any suggestions?
>

A one piece stem and flower?

Toshie Takahama has one version called 'Camellia, Bloom, and Branch' diagrammed
     in
Origami for the Connoisseur (out of print! :-() from 2x1 rectangle. You can
     even make
a $ bill version.

For square purists Jun Maekawa has a '5 Petaled Flower w/ stem & 2 leaves'
     diagrammed
in Viva! Origami.

Good luck!

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 06:29:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: A.Welles@student.kun.nl
Subject: Re: flowers

Maybe this already was mentioned, but there is a great flower with stem in
Viva! Origami, by Jun Maekawa. And: It's from a square!

Arjan Welles
The Netherlands
A.Welles@Student.kun.nl





Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:18:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: joel@exc.com (Dr. Joel M. Hoffman)
Subject: flowers

>For square purists Jun Maekawa has a '5 Petaled Flower w/ stem & 2
>leaves' diagrammed
>in Viva! Origami.

Where can I get a copy of Viva! Origami?  I just tried Amazon Books,
and they don't have it.

Thanks.

-Joel
(joel@exc.com)
