




Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:20:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: Origami Face, by Paul Jackson

Hi, JJ !!!!
At 06.27 15/8/1997 -0300, you wrote:

>       Let's try to be serious for 2 minutes.

OK. First of all, welcome to this list... I've been missing your humour
during our last Conventions, though I can assure you that we had good
substitutes (you probably know which persons I'm referring to....).

Second, the problem of attachments. I don't know which mail reader are you
using, but I use Eudora Light which has an option saying "( ) Put text
attachments in body of message": if I DON'T set it, attachments are sent
separately from the main message (another Eudora on the other side would
decode them automatically as separate files); if I set it, attachments would
be inserted after my message as "rubbish", i. e. 7-bit printable data (no
matter whether I use UUENCODE or MIME), and the recipient would have to use
an external decoding program in order to see the contents. That's what I've
done with your own attachments, using XFERPRO (strongly recommended,
shareware, downloadable from http://www.sabasoft.com), and it worked in all
cases.

Third, I remember yourself as being a bit different from what you appear in
the first GIF.... That is perhaps not what you are, but what you would like
to be :-) (Girls under 12 or over 80 not advised to decode it....)

Fourth, I would like to recall here a few "netiquette rules":
    (a) writing in all capitals, in the Internet jargon, is conventionally
intended as shouting (i.e. bad manners). That's partly why Jaelle
interpreted your first message as offensive. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU SHOULD
AVOID WRITING THIS WAY, RIGHT ???? <:-)
     (b) more important: very long texts or, worse, attached files should
normally _never_ be sent to a mailing list ! Not all people would appreciate
wasting time, money and disk space to download some 20-30 kbytes of stuff,
no matter how interesting this might be or how handsome you are (a
subjective guess, after all !). Just think of what would happen if only half
of the ~500 members of this list would suddenly decide to send a 30 kb
attachment.... my whole salary would go to Telecom with thanks ! >:-#
If you really think that a file or picture is worth being distributed,
deposit it to the archives or just leave here a message so as people could
contact you _privately_ .
     (c) this is not your case, but several people still have the bad habit
of quoting a previous message _integrally_ (sometimes with quotes of quotes
of quotes), just because their mail reader allows this at a simple keypress.
_Please, please, please_ DON'T do it.... Clip off all the parts which are
not _strictly necessary_ to follow the thread ! This has been said here
several times, but some seem to have forgotten. Remember you're going to
waste other people's time, money etc.....<:-(

I apologize for _my_ long message. Best to all,

    _\|/_
   ( o o )
-oOO-(_)-OOo-
   Roberto





Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:27:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Origami Face, by Paul Jackson

OK, JJ,
Both my Netscape 2.01 and Eudora light could not deal with your MIME
attachment. But I succesfully decode them separately using Decode Shell
Extension v2.31 for win95. I would suggest you send the diagrams to
origami interest group archive in ftp://ftp.rug.nl/origami/.incoming/.
This would save(?) all those decoding hassle.

BTW I did see 'your face' in my Netscape Mail. I happen to have
diagrammed 'your face' in either GIF format
(ftp://ftp.rug.nl/origami/models.bin/PumpkinF.gif) or pdf format
(http://admin.the-village.com/origami/pdf/pumpkinf.pdf).

Have a happy face folding!

|------------------------------------------------------\
|  _     Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) <chens@asme.org>     |\
| |_| Folding http://www.erols.com/sychen1/pprfld.html --\
|---------------------------------------------------------|
What a strange world this would be if we all had the same sense of
humor. -- Bern Williams

Jean-Jerome CASALONGA wrote:
>
> Ceci est un message avec plusieurs parties au format MIME.
>
> ------=_NextPart_000_01BCA96D.C6501E00
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
>         Let's try to be serious for 2 minutes.
>
> Here is one of my favorite face, by PAul Jackson.  It was published in "New
> FAces In Origami" (Ori-Press, February1987, foreword by Momotani (Yes, the
> real one)).





Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:49:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: Re: bad book/good book story

This occurred to me after I posted the story about Anness Publishing being
so prompt in agreeing to add credit to origami designers:

It would probably be helpful (and reinforcing!) for Anness to hear a few
words of thanks for changing their policy.  If anyone would like to dash off
a brief note, the addresses are below.

We in the origami community (justifiably) tend to get cranky about credits
being left off.  But it really could be that most publishers don't realize
that the issue exists.  Maybe we just need to have these personal contacts
more frequently.  Mary Wowk at the New York office of Anness was somewhat
astonished that just a private consumer would be concerned about something
like that. (I made sure she understood that I wasn't accusing them of
something illegal.)  She had no idea that the origami community exists and
keeps in close touch with each other - even internationally.  Perhaps other
publishers are in the same boat.  A positive showing of our existence in the
way of "thank you" is a start.  Publishers do talk to each other occasionally!

Anness Publishing Limited
1 Boundary Row
London SE1 8HP
ENGLAND

Anness Publishing Limited
27 West 20th St., Suite 504
New York NY  10011
USA

Carol Hall  (my thank-you letters are in the mail)
chall@scsn.net





Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:59:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Bruce Stephens <B.Stephens@isode.com>
Subject: Non origami. Re: Im-Dock

ObOrigami: Lang *and* Montroll are aliens.  Nobody with normal sized fingers,
working within three-dimensional space, can make some of those moves.  Either
they have very thin fingers with way too many joints (perhaps tentacles), or
they use hyperspace.  I think we should be told.  "Use a square of paper no
less than 3 metres square, or work using tweezers and a hyperspace generator."

For many mass-production things, it just is more cost-effective to throw them
away and use a new one.  In many cases, these things just weren't designed to
be repaired.  Keyboards are a bit more repairable than most bits, but it's
still cheaper to buy another one than to pay for somebody's time.  It's
usually quite possible to take it apart oneself to get rid of bits of biscuit
and things, however.

That doesn't stop certain electronics shops trying to sell service contracts,
however.  For example: Dixons (UK high street chain, who are well known for
trying to con^H^H^Hpersuade customers to pay stupid amounts for such cover)
tried to sell me special 3-year cover for both a trackball and a modem; in
neither case is the item really repairable, and in both cases the chances of
it needing replacement within 3 years but not within one year (when warranty
covers it anyway) is quite a bit less than the approximately 1 in 3 that the
charges would suggest.  It's significantly cheaper for me to take the risk of
having to buy a new one, than it is to take out their cover.  (Anyway, if the
modem breaks in 18 months, I won't want one the same---it'll be obsolete by
then.)





Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:12:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: NO:  Who am I ? : Problem with attached file

Jean-Jerome,

While I do not have a problem with your humorous postings,
I *DO* have a problem with your sending attached files.

By general agreement for some time, members of the origami-L
do not attach files to messages to the list. Instead, we
announce that files are available, either in the list archive
ftp site, on a private web site, or on request by private email.

The reasons are many: some people access their email at
work and downloading attached files without knowing the
contents is forbidden as a security measure against viruses,
etc.

The same applies to many schools, and it has always been
an asset of the origami-L that its content is accessible to
schools and children. For the same reason, by general agreement
"adult origami" diagrams and discussions are not posted to
the list publically (they are accepted on the newgroup, I
believe.)

I might add also, that in many offices and schools
in the USA, e.g. California, the subject of the GIF file would
be interpreted (or misinterpreted, if you prefer) in a way that
would lead to disciplinary action against an employee or student
who had this file on their hard drive. While you and I might
disagree with these laws and policies, they exist, and it would
be a courtesy to recognize that fact.

Also, some people's email programs do not handle files well.
Mine thought your file was UUENCODED, so I had to use a
separate utility and specify BASE64 MIME, and frankly the
resulting GIF was a waste of my time, in addition to the
time to download it.

Other people have restrictions on mailbox size, file size, or
must pay time charges (either phone or access, or both) for
their email service. If one uses a batch or automatic system
to fetch all mail, it takes extra time to download files which
the recipient didn't want in the first place.

For all of these reasons, many, if not most of the
origami-L list members find attached files a nuisance and
annoyance.

So please do not send attached files, even origami related ones,
to the whole mail list.

Thank you,
Valerie_Vann@compuserve.com





Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:55:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Janell Jarman <jarman@digitalpla.net>
Subject: Re: Help, I need foil

This is a little embarassing to admit, but recently while eating in a
fast food place I played with the paper-backed foil wrapper (or is that
"foil-backed paper"???) from my hamburger.  I came away with three
unused wrappers (thanks to my husband, who proved his love for me by
asking for them at the counter) to play with at home.  If thin is what
you are looking for, these are great.  I agree with others on this
subject however that heavy foil also has its merits.

On the subject of alien folders (and floders):  Some people need to
lighten up.  Is there anyone out there who DOESN't need a little humor
in their life, no matter what the source?  It (and the replies) made my
day and was obviously not intended as an insult.





Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:56:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: Cathy Palmer-Lister <cathypl@generation.net>
Subject: Re: Origami Face, by Paul Jackson

No luck, I still see gibberish.  I can normally receive attached files, so
maybe you could try sending me your pictures privately.

                                                Cathy

                                        >cathypl@generation.net<

At 06:27 AM 1997-08-15 -0300, you wrote:
>
>       Let's try to be serious for 2 minutes.
>
>Here is one of my favorite face, by PAul Jackson.  It was published in "New
>FAces In Origami" (Ori-Press, February1987, foreword by Momotani (Yes, the
>real one)).
>
>Note : It seems that attached files must be sent with UUENCODE (I tried
>this morning and it seemed to worked).  If some of you have problems
>reading the files (2 GIF files), write to me.
>
>       Happy folding.
>                            JJ CASALONGA





Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:43:42 -0300 (ADT)
From: pat slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: Paper project site

Just came across this site of links to "paper projects" on the web:

http://www.ptialaska.net/~bundyd/paper.html

Worth bookmarking methinks. Some paperfolding and some paper
airplanes in the mix.

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 15:09:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Maldon7929@aol.com
Subject: RE: Who am I

JJ

Nice model. Diagrams?

MW





Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 16:05:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: dragon@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Subject: New bookstore

        Hi all, just wanted to let any fellow folders who reside in
Edmonton, Alberta (or who may be coming up for a visit)  A new bookstore
called "Chapters" just opened it is located in South Edmonton and it is
huge.  There is quite a selection of origami books.  If you are in the
area it may be worth taking a look.
        I also found the origami book "Origami in King Arthurs Court" at a
local bookstore in Heritage Mall (Smiths)  It looks interesting.
        Have a great origami day.
        Lynda





Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:03:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: Wayne Fluharty <wflu@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: paper and clay

At 03:18 PM 7/29/97 -0300, Joseph Wu wrote:
>There's a paper with a porcelain coating that can be
>folded and then fired. The paper burns away, leaving the porcelain. I
>don't know who or where, though.

OK. I give up. I've looked for this everywhere. Searches on the net come up
with vague references, but nothin' concrete. I've talked to art shops who
have never heard of it and want me to tell them when I find it (If I do
ever find it, I'm goin' to become a broker in the Arkansas area to art
shops for the stuff) Did I get "Hooked, lined and sinkered"? Does it exist?
WHERE CAN IT BE FOUND? (Yes, I know I was screamin', I got excited...)
Please, someone help!

Anyway, speakin' of different kinds of paper, I love the stuff. I've got
prints & patterns, big & small sizes, textured, not-a-hyde, foils, etc... I
even purchased glow-in-the-dark paper from one of my "art shop" run-ins
recently. Does anyone else know of any other truly different papers?
(Besides this porcelain-coated stuff)

Thanks, Flu (Wayne Fluharty)
wflu@hotmail.com

P.S. I also recently bought John Montroll's "Origami Inside-Out" (I collect
chess sets and this was a must. If anyone knows of any other origami chess
sets, please let me know) While thumbin' through the book, I noticed there
was an origami alien on page 15 (or 18). Coincidence? Self Portrait?





Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:44:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: Cathy Palmer-Lister <cathypl@generation.net>
Subject: Re: New bookstore

Chapters in Montreal also carries a lot of Origami books.  Unfortunately,
all the really good ones got snapped up in a matter of days,
(Origami-Montreal strikes again!)  and they never seem to have replenished
the stock.  I plan to visit again next week, so I will check out the goods
again.

    Cathy

At 04:05 PM 1997-08-15 -0300, you wrote:
>       Hi all, just wanted to let any fellow folders who reside in
>Edmonton, Alberta (or who may be coming up for a visit)  A new bookstore
>called "Chapters" just opened it is located in South Edmonton and it is
>huge.  There is quite a selection of origami books.  If you are in the
>area it may be worth taking a look.
>       I also found the origami book "Origami in King Arthurs Court" at a
>local bookstore in Heritage Mall (Smiths)  It looks interesting.
>       Have a great origami day.
>       Lynda





Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:51:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jeff Goff <jmgoff@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Welcome JJ

At 05:04 PM 8/14/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I too, have a hard time finding paper that is invisible on both sides.  My
>solution is to buy the one-sided paper.  If you hold it with the visible
>side up, a mountain fold will result in a two-sided paper, but a valley
>fold will result in a completely invisible paper!

Where can I find a source for this paper?
I've been struggling with a Klein Bottle for the last week. Since I'm
somewhat of a purist I'd rather not resort to cutting through the side of
the bottle, and I think one-sided paper would work. I could just fold it
into two Moebius strips and interlock the edges.

[A Klein bottle, for those who don't know, is a one-sided bottle whose neck
passes through the fourth dimension, into the interior, and joins with the
bottom. Naturally it's impossible to create in three-dimensional space.]
-Jeff <jmgoff@concentric.net>





Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:04:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: "J. Robert A. Lemieux" <rlemieux@ma.ultranet.com>
Subject: Re: The Last Dance in the BOS magazines.

The Last Dance also appears in ORU #12, Spring 1996,
pages 118 to 125.
  Back issues of this Japanese origami publication are
still avaiable from the Sasuga Japanese Bookstore in
Cambridge, MA (617) 479-5460. Cost is about $33.

Bob





Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:08:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jeff Goff <jmgoff@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Help, I need foil

At 01:56 PM 8/15/97 -0300, you wrote:
>This is a little embarassing to admit, but recently while eating in a
>fast food place I played with the paper-backed foil wrapper (or is that
>"foil-backed paper"???) from my hamburger.  I came away with three
>unused wrappers (thanks to my husband, who proved his love for me by
>asking for them at the counter) to play with at home.  If thin is what
>you are looking for, these are great.  I agree with others on this
>subject however that heavy foil also has its merits.

No need to be embarassed. I did that last week at Wendy's. With my
coworker's wrapper. He had a chicken sandwich, and I had a cheeseburger. The
lack of glop on his wrapper made the decision. I got through Lang's
Butterfly base while listening to everyone talk. The other reason I'm
responding is that Fascinating Folds [http://www.fascinating-folds.com/] has
a book called 'Patty Paper Geometry' dealing with the foil squares. I don't
have any connection with Fascinating Folds beyond being a customer.
-Jeff <jmgoff@concentric.net>





Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 19:48:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: Wayne Fluharty <wflu@hotmail.com>
Subject: Chess sets

After my request for origami chess sets, I was told about BOS booklet #7
"Chess Sets of Martin Wall, Max Hulme & Neal Elias" (Thanks Pat) However,
this booklet is no longer in the list on BOS's supply page so I am assumin'
it has gone to the "gone for now but hopefully reprinted one day" pile. If
anyone has this book or information about where to find one, please,
PLEASE, let me know.

Thanks, Flu (Wayne Fluharty)
wflu@hotmail.com

"Imagination is the foundation of reality" - Gallagher





Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:10:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: Colin Pye <cp@atcon.com>
Subject: Re: the list

I live within minutes of the list server (unless it has moved, and know the
person who was maintaining it.  I have dropped him a note on the problem
(see below), and will let you know what's up.  By the way, I believe the
server handles over 70 lists, so it's not as small as you may believe.

> I have been on the Origami-L list (origami-l@nstn.ca) for some time, and
> some people are wondering what's up.  It seems as though some people
> have their subscriptions go away for a while and then come back with no
> obvious pattern.  Let me know if you would like details in the people who
> have noticed this, or if this is no longer something you take care of.

Hopefully we will have an answer soon.

Colin

Origami Enthusists stick with the fold!
Colin Pye    cp@atcon.com     http://www.atcon.com/~cp





Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:07:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: ansoff@juno.com (Peter Ansoff)
Subject:

Origami friends / amis origamiques,

I'm back after being off the list for a few months.  For administrative
reasons I've subscribed from my juno account; however, I can still get
mail on peter_ansoff@compuserve.com also.

It's good to be back in the fold!

Peter Ansoff
Alexandria VA





Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 00:13:33 -0300 (ADT)
From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net>
Subject: Re: Chess sets yes please

Wayne Fluharty wrote:
>
> After my request for origami chess sets, I was told about BOS booklet #7
> "Chess Sets of Martin Wall, Max Hulme & Neal Elias" (Thanks Pat) However,
> this booklet is no longer in the list on BOS's supply page so I am assumin'
> it has gone to the "gone for now but hopefully reprinted one day" pile. If
> anyone has this book or information about where to find one, please,
> PLEASE, let me know.
>
> Thanks, Flu (Wayne Fluharty)
> wflu@hotmail.com
>
> "Imagination is the foundation of reality" - Gallagher
Ditto, I would also like to see this.  If out of print, is it to large
to be copied?
Perry
--
>From pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net

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