




Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:23:12 -0300 (ADT)
From: Dennis Brannon <brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com>
Subject: RE: Origami CDROM "Paper Art Volume 1" (was ORIGAMI-L digest 810)

Sreenath Chary posted:
>  I came across a CDRom called 'Paper Art Volume I'. The cover says
>that it has Origami models and covers history of folding, paprt types
>and even wet folding techniques. The cover also has pictures of a
>prehistoric creature a snail etc. DOes anybody know how many models
>are in this CD, what level of complexity etc?

I bought this CDRom a few months ago.   None of the models pictured
on the cover are on the CDROM.  No prehistoric creature, no snail...
I consider that unethical, since the cover is usually the only info you
have to go on when deciding to buy a new CDROM.

The level of the models is simple and its designed as an introduction
to Origami. You watch QuickTime movies of the models being folded
while Japanese music plays.  It does cover a history of folding,
paper types, and some text as an introduction to wet folding.
That content seems appropriate for a Volume 1.  The CDROM sells
for $14.95 US and at that price will probably reach a lot of people
never exposed to Origami before.  And for them, this would be great!
It might make a nice gift for people who avoid Origami diagrams too.
The CDROM cover sheet also lists lots of other $14.95 titles
available from this company for crafts, cooking, etc.

I don't have the CDROM with me today, so I'll post the model list
tomorrow.

Volume 2 is out now - Gift Wrapping.  No mention of origami
on it's cover.  sigh... I had hoped Volume 2 would be the next
Origami title and live up to what Volume 1 showed on its cover.

regards,
dennis
---
Dennis Brannon
brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com
Ayer, Massachusetts USA





Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:56:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jean-Jerome CASALONGA <jjerome.casalonga@hol.fr>
Subject: RE : Jaelle reply to my mail

               Dear Jaelle,

        On every book and magazine about Internet, where they give advice on the
Netiquette, one of the first thing they say is : "Try to avoid humor".
They might be right.  I might be wrong.  But please let me clear out some
points :

1 - I really like Montroll.  The creator (I've got ALL his books, and I'd
kill anyone you want to have a preview on his next book), and the man (I'm
lucky enough to have met him)
2 - Why should Origami be a "Magical land" where everything is beautifull,
where everybody loves everybody, where no one should (or could) say "I
don't like that".
3 - Politically correctness is the last thing I would like to see in
Origami.
4 - My mum keeps telling me that I've got a strange sense of humor.  Maybe
too much Monty Pithons and too much Simpsons, and not enough time at school
5 - I ENTIRELY subscribe to your motto : "Life is short! Eat more Ice Cream
and share the music of laughter".
6 - I'm sorry if I hurt you (and maybe other people who didn't wrote).  My
mail was not to make fun OF john Montroll.
7 - If the only mail "allowed" on Origami-l are "Does anyone know how to
fold a dog names PIPO" and "Does anyone have a spare copy of "Origami for
the Simpsons", then I'll drop off.  Come on, Origami can (and must) be fun.
 Bad taste fun for me, maybe, but FUN.
8 - I'd be happy to send you a copy of my booklet "Krazy Origami", which
holds the sum of my tremendous talent at creating Origami models (send me
your address)
9 - Wait untill you read on my feelings on Maaaaaaster Yoshizawa (I lay
prostrated at your feet)

        Sincerely,
                              JJ CASALONGA





Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:12:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: Dennis Brannon <brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com>
Subject: RE: What's the difference?

I'm not sure how "falten" is used in a sentence, but in American English
fold, crease, and pleat are three different concepts.
There's many different uses of these words depending on context.
Since this is an origami discussion, I'll limit my reply to paper.

Fold (verb): to bend over or double up so that one part lies on another.
Note that is just an action.  For example: to fold a letter, though
folding a letter sounds better to me.

Crease (noun): a line or mark made by pressing, folding, or wrinkling.

Pleat (noun): a fold in cloth made by doubling the material upon itself.

It wasn't until I started reading origami-l that I heard of pleating paper
and fold being used instead of crease.  The above definitions were from
The American Heritage Dictionary (1986). so I suspect the usage of
those terms is still evolving.

dennis, folding creased pleats.





Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:01:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: jaelle <jaelle1@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: John Montroll is AN ALIEN ! !

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Sheldon Ackerman wrote:

> >
> > This is not meant to flame  but to state a personal opinion in
> response
> > to what I found offensive.
>
> As long as you are stating your personal opinion, I may as well post
> mine.
>
> >
> > I don't know you  ... never heard of you ... and not sure I want to!
>
> > Sorry ... I have my opinions as everyone does and this letter was
> very
> > silly and for me had absolutely no value  even as bad taste humor. I
>
> > learned only one thing. You seem to not like John Montroll and next
> you
> > will make simple silly statements about some one else.
> >
> I think that the writer of this message feels that John is a great
> creator of origami  and does like him!

If I misunderstood this person's intent then I will apologize. It
sounded like an insult to me.  Thank you for pointing out a different
way of looking at it.

> >
> It would be nice if you continue apologising for yourself in the
> future if
> you wish, and for the rest of the people, but please do not include me
> in
> your apologies.

I was not apologizing for anyone. The apology was to the others on the
list for MY outburst. I would never presume to apologize for anyone
other than myself. That would be rather  presumptuous and ego maniacal !
And I am FAR from ego maniacal. I felt strongly about the post. I stated
my opinion. I apologized TO the others for MY outburst. I will not state
an opinion nay more here. Even if I find the remarks as insulting to one
I admire as I thought that post was.

> Individuals have different personalities and different senses of
> humor.
> Your message sounds as silly to me as if one would post a message here
>
> denigrating others for folding childish modulars made out of business
> cards
> that require only 3 or 4 simple folds.

I agree ... it would be silly to denigrate anyone for their pleasure in
folding whether it be simple three fold models to advanced models that
take weeks.   I will not make excuses for my opinion. I still think it
was not funny!

>
>
> I have met John Montroll on many occasions and think he would take the
> above
> message in the spirit that it was intended. Perhaps he will respond,
> if he
> is still a member or this list.

I have not had the pleasure of meeting ANY folders. I am house bound and
this is like my school room for folders here. I get to meet them HERE!
That is one of the reasons I joined this list. TO LEARN from people like
John Montrell and others who know far more of folding than I.

Thank you again for pointing out another way to look at that.

Walk in Light
Jaelle

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:02:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: rhudson@netrax.net (Hudson-Robert)
Subject: Re: RE : Jaelle reply to my mail

JJ---

Hear, hear!  May your krazy kontribution motivate more of the same.  I for
one can't understand how someone can mistake "Montroll is an Alien" for "I
hate John Montroll"

Don't stop posting!

rob





Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:08:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: jaelle <jaelle1@swbell.net>
Subject: Appology for expressing an opinion.

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>

If this was meant as a humorous "roast". I appologize for tendering my
opinion.

I will not state an opinion anymore here. Whether it is a strongly felt
opionion or not

I have learned much here from many people. Now I have learned that
opinons are not wanted unless they are humerous in nature and of the
roasting variety.

I will sit and learn from the folders and ignore the rest.

jaelle

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:11:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: Dennis Brannon <brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com>
Subject: RE: Diagrams for Bird of Prey  (was:Re: Dragons And The Like)

Back in April of 1996 Dee Lynch posted:
>PS I have diagrammed a Klingon Bird of Prey designed by a guy in my group if
>anyone is interested, send me a SASE to Dee Lynch, 1350 E. Easter Ave.,
     Littleton, CO
>80122 and let me know why you are sending me said SASE...

I think that's the diagram you are referring to.

Back in April of 1997 Cathy Palmer-Lister posted:
>I have folded a BoP.  I simplified one of Montroll's dinosaurs, the
>pterodactylus, on page 47 of Prehistoric Origami.  If I remember correctly,
>I skipped steps 24-37, 46, put little reverse folds on the wingtips to make
>the disruptors.  I never quite get it the same way twice because I cannot
>read my notes!

hope this helps,

dennis
--
Dennis Brannon
brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com





Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:16:31 -0300 (ADT)
From: jaelle <jaelle1@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: John Montroll is AN ALIEN ! !

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Eric Andersen wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Aug 1997, jaelle wrote:
>
> > I don't know you  ... never heard of you ... and not sure I want to!
>
> > Sorry ... I have my opinions as everyone does and this letter was
> very
> > silly and for me had absolutely no value  even as bad taste humor. I
>
> > learned only one thing. You seem to not like John Montroll and next
> you
> > will make simple silly statements about some one else.
>
> Hi jaelle, JJ Casalonga is well-known folder with a great sense of
> humor.
>
> What's wrong with being childish? Besides, we all know that John
> Montroll
> isn't an alien; with his talent, he must come from a completely
> different
> universe!
>
> -Eric  :-P
> origami@brown.edu
>
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   Hello,
Nothing wrong with being childish at all.. I myself at age 47 ( 48 in
exactly one month and a day) can never pass up jumping in puddles after
it rains. I just found the entire thing insulting to a folder I admire.
As to aliens ... if they have an opposable thumb I think they would make
GREAT folders. But they could learn a lot from Montrell and others like
him!

jaelle

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:06:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: Robert Allan Schwartz <notbob@tessellation.com>
Subject: Re: Self-locking Folds

>Some modulars have interesting locking mechanizims, too, but my original
>comment referred to single sheet models.
>
>Robert, do you have any favorite self-/interlocking models?
>
>Kristine Tomlinson
>Waltham, MA, USA

I hadn't thought about single sheet models being-able-to/needing-to
self-lock, but it raises interesting questions.

I am a huge fan of the modular models, and some of the ones I've done
recently were from "Unit Origami" by Tomoko Fuse. I was especially taken
with the octahedron whose sides tuck into a belt-like center.

Robert

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:25:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: pat slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: Origami sighting.

A scene of Onchiki river people reading fortunes from Sheri S.
Tepper's "The Family Tree" (and if you are familiar with Tepper's
book you will know that it is almost impossible to describe the
context):

She broke the seal, opened the flap, and took out the folded
parchment. That took some time to be unfolded and laid down flat as
Grandmama turned it this way and that, finding the right way up of
it. Grandmama was a pretty good reader. There were hardly any words
she couldn't make out if she took her time about it. " 'High ladies
need sharp eyes to tend their geese,' " she read at last. "I think
it's geese."

Lucy Low gave it a look. "It must be geese, Grandmama."

Diver sniffed. "No job for a man, goose tending. More a girl's job."

"Well, shall we give it to Lucy Low or to the twins?" asked
Grandmama.

"We don't want it," said the twins in one voice.

"I do," said Lucy Low.

"Lucy Low's it is, then," Grandmama decided, handing over the
parchment.

Lucy Low took it and smoothed it out, admiring the bright colors
around the edges and the jiggery way it had been folded to make a
long necked bird, and when she waggled the tail, the legs moved.
Perhaps it was meant to be a goose....





Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:32:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: Appology for expressing an opinion.

>
> If this was meant as a humorous "roast". I appologize for tendering my
> opinion.
>
> I will not state an opinion anymore here. Whether it is a strongly felt
> opionion or not
>
> I have learned much here from many people. Now I have learned that
> opinons are not wanted unless they are humerous in nature and of the
> roasting variety.
>
> I will sit and learn from the folders and ignore the rest.
>

Opinions are wanted! However, the way I read your message I came to the
conclusion that you are not interested in anyones opinion except for your
own. I may have misread your message but I got the feeling that you were
very angry at the poster and DID apologise to the rest of us for HIS post.
Reread your first message and see if that can not be inferred from what you
have written. You did the same in an earlier message to Mathias (re AOL)
..I think it was when he stated his opinion. You stated your opinion but then
     you
attacked. There is a big difference about stating ones opinion and leaving
it at that, or following up with a low blow and telling an individual that
he did something stupidly wrong and you do not wish to read any more of his
messages.
Sorry, but I had to get that off my chest.
We have no idea who most of the individuals on this list are, and it is very
difficult to really guage anothers personality simply by reading a message.
If I misread you then I apologise as well.

---
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 19:38:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: jaelle <jaelle1@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: RE : Jaelle reply to my mail

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Jean-Jerome CASALONGA wrote:

>                 Dear Jaelle,
>
>         On every book and magazine about Internet, where they give
> advice on the
> Netiquette, one of the first thing they say is : "Try to avoid humor".
>
> They might be right.  I might be wrong.  But please let me clear out
> some
> points :

I would not like non humor at all. I have been called down for to many
giggles myself on the net. ( I advocate the joy of laughter in all walks
of life) especially the net where so many are far to impersonal.

>
>
> 1 - I really like Montroll.  The creator (I've got ALL his books, and
> I'd
> kill anyone you want to have a preview on his next book), and the man
> (I'm
> lucky enough to have met him)

   I humbly apologize to you young man! I did not see the humor and that
is unusual for me! I have a wonderful sense of the ridiculous. I think
it was all the shouting that upset me and steered me wrong.

> 2 - Why should Origami be a "Magical land" where everything is
> beautifull,
> where everybody loves everybody, where no one should (or could) say "I
>
> don't like that".

It shouldn't be! We can not all agree or the world would be dull. IF you
did not like it then that is an honored opinion. If you do that is also.
I mistook your shouting for insults to him not an opinion for him.
Expressing likes and dislikes .. agreements /disagreements.. is a great
forum for a learning debate! Insults on the other hand offend many.
Again I thought you were sending an insult to one I admire. Obviously my
interpretation was wrong.

> 3 - Politically correctness is the last thing I would like to see in
> Origami.

On this I agree whole heartedly.. We have carried PC to extremes!

> 4 - My mum keeps telling me that I've got a strange sense of humor.
> Maybe
> too much Monty Pithons and too much Simpsons, and not enough time at
> school

Simpsons? Ummmm ....  I said I would withhold my opinions here from now
on so I will stand mute on this!

> 5 - I ENTIRELY subscribe to your motto : "Life is short! Eat more Ice
> Cream
> and share the music of laughter".

Thank you ( I like peach..... *ice cream not peach laughter*)

> 6 - I'm sorry if I hurt you (and maybe other people who didn't
> wrote).  My
> mail was not to make fun OF john Montroll.

( smile) No hurt here! I was offended by what I THOUGHT was an insult
only!

> 7 - If the only mail "allowed" on Origami-l are "Does anyone know how
> to
> fold a dog names PIPO" and "Does anyone have a spare copy of "Origami
> for
> the Simpsons", then I'll drop off.  Come on, Origami can (and must) be
> fun.
>  Bad taste fun for me, maybe, but FUN.

Fun is good! And I agree the list should be fun as well a learning and
teaching experience! Life without laughter would not be worth much. I
learned I need to look a little closer at others laughter!

> 8 - I'd be happy to send you a copy of my booklet "Krazy Origami",
> which
> holds the sum of my tremendous talent at creating Origami models (send
> me
> your address)

That would be nice ... ( I think) giggle   Will send in a separate
letter as this is going CC to the list! in the form of a formal apology
for mistaking your intent.

> 9 - Wait untill you read on my feelings on Maaaaaaster Yoshizawa (I
> lay
> prostrated at your feet)
>

GIGGLE  ....  I have always wondered what it would feel like to have
someone at my feet! Ummmm .....   I Think I like it better when we stand
together ( smile) I look forward to your roast and promise I will not
take offense at it ( now that my eyes are open to roasting on net!

>         Sincerely,
>                                         JJ CASALONGA
>

With humble apologies and belated giggles

Jaelle
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 21:11:42 -0300 (ADT)
From: jaelle <jaelle1@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: Appology for expressing an opinion.

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Sheldon Ackerman wrote:

> >
> > If this was meant as a humorous "roast". I appologize for tendering
> my
> > opinion.
> >
> > I will not state an opinion anymore here. Whether it is a strongly
> felt
> > opionion or not
> >
> > I have learned much here from many people. Now I have learned that
> > opinons are not wanted unless they are humerous in nature and of the
>
> > roasting variety.
> >
> > I will sit and learn from the folders and ignore the rest.
> >
>
> Opinions are wanted! However, the way I read your message I came to
> the
> conclusion that you are not interested in anyones opinion except for
> your
> own. I may have misread your message but I got the feeling that you
> were
> very angry at the poster and DID apologise to the rest of us for HIS
> post.
> Reread your first message and see if that can not be inferred from
> what you
> have written. You did the same in an earlier message to Mathias (re
> AOL)
> ..I think it was when he stated his opinion. You stated your opinion
> but then you
> attacked. There is a big difference about stating ones opinion and
> leaving
> it at that, or following up with a low blow and telling an individual
> that
> he did something stupidly wrong and you do not wish to read any more
> of his
> messages.
> Sorry, but I had to get that off my chest.
> We have no idea who most of the individuals on this list are, and it
> is very
> difficult to really guage anothers personality simply by reading a
> message.
> If I misread you then I apologise as well.
>
> ---
> Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
> ackerman@dorsai.org
> sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu

   I did not intend to flame anyone and I am most interested in others
opinions.
It is how we learn and grow. I thought he was insulting one I admired. I
was not angry at his  expressing his own opinions I was offended at his
manner .. I have since learned I misjudged the young man completely.

The post to Matthias was GROSSLY mistaken .. I had been ill and away for
a time and all my mail did not get to me for some reason and I replied
to the wrong thing. Matthias has since become a friend I think. ( I
hope)

If I do express anything here please believe I am not the type who
thinks my opinion is the only one in the world .. nor do I take offense
as easily as it may seem ... I seldom post here because I have little to
teach .. when I do have a strong feeling about something tho I do
express it and sometimes it may appear as anger. I seldom lose my temper
as I think it is a waste of time and energy and at thsoe few tiems I do
I try to wait before I reply until the anger is controlled and I can
talk in a rational manner.

I hope this clears up the issue.

I truly did to mean to start a war here!

I value this list and the people I learn from here.

If  I have inadvertently offended or caused anger to any I  humbly
apologize.

Now I will go back to lurking and learning.

I think it may be safer that way for all

( smile)
Jaelle

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 21:23:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Chamberlain, Clare" <Clare.Chamberlain@health.wa.gov.au>
Subject: self locking bits and pieces

Personally, I'm looking after a self locking baby!!

More seriously,  in Lindy Chamberlain's autobiography ("A dingo' got my
baby - and no relation), she mentions that she used cloth nappies in a
fold that requires no pins!  It's a few years too late now, but I'd love
to know how its done!

Clare Chamberlain
Planning Officer, Program Development
Health Department of Western Australia
(08) 9222 2194, fax (08) 9222 4076
(Clare.Chamberlain@health.wa.gov.au)





Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 22:19:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Self-locking Folds

>Kristine Tomlinson wrote:
>> Robert, do you have any favorite self-/interlocking models?
>
>I'm not Robert, but I hope you don't mind my reply :-).
>Another self-locking model is the (or should I say "a")
>traditional turtle as presented in Biddle's "New Origami".
>Starts from the waterbomb base.
>Speaking of traditional, is there a book somewhere with
>traditional models?
>
>
>
>Matthias, looking for self-locking diapers...

Paper Folding for Beginners by Murray and Rigney, reprinted by Dover has
many of the traditional folds, and is an easy book to learn  from.  James
M. Sakoda
James M. Sakoda, origami dollar bill foldings in pdf form:
http://idt.net/~kittyv





Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 22:28:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: Martha Mitchen <afolder@avana.net>
Subject: Welcome JJ

JJ

I, too, wish to welcome you to the list.  I am among those who enjoy
your sense of the ridiculous, which I was first exposed to when I met
you at a convention several years ago.  For those who don't know JJ, a
perfect example of it can be found in his Famous Faces in Origami
booklet which contains diagrams for folding an invisible man.  If you
think folding Montroll or Lang is a challenge, try folding the invisible
man.  My attempt was stalled for quite a while because I had a difficult
time locating paper that was invisible on both sides.  Since, I didn't
have the resources of the net or the list at that time, it was a lonely
search.  But I perservered until I finally located one piece that was
rectangular in shape.  I did have some trouble cutting it into a perfect
square.  Fortunately the model was quite forgiving and turned out quite
well.  In fact, I was so proud of it, if it hadn't been invisible, I
would have displayed it at a convention.

Of course, JJ, I can't believe that some of us who have met you, haven't
wondered to ourselves what planet you may have come from. (=

So, what about Yoshizawa?

Martha





Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 22:32:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kim Best <kim.best@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: John Montroll is AN ALIEN ! !

Oh! what the big deal anyway!  We've all known that Jeramy Shaffer is an
alien, for years and that hasn't hurt his reputation!  No really!  I've
been told he is a Vegan.  Isn't that someone from the Vega star system?

Besides Jean-Jerome,  Origami-l IS a magic land, where everybody  is
nice to each other.  Flaming is not tolarated.  There is no sex.  And
Origami designers are expected to diagram all their greatest creations,
and distribute them at no cost, so others can fold them and make money
off them without giving the designer credit.

Don't you love it!

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 22:46:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Ronnie White <ronew@mindspring.com>
Subject: Awesome Origami

I heard about this book on this group, but I have a few questions.
Who is the author?
What type of models are in the book? And what difficulty?
Ron White
ronew@mindspring.com

"Never underestimate the incredible destructive power of origami"

                                                  Earthworm Jim





Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 22:49:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: ladyada@tiac.net (joyce saler)
Subject: Re: self locking bits and pieces

Clare:
In "Complete Origami" page 124,  Eric Kenneway describes the German Pinless
Method of nappy folding. He includes three nappy designs but this is the
only pinless one.
I think that you can still buy this book.

Joyce Saler

>Clare Chamberlain
>Planning Officer, Program Development
>Health Department of Western Australia
>(08) 9222 2194, fax (08) 9222 4076
>(Clare.Chamberlain@health.wa.gov.au)





Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:01:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Bird base from a rectangle

     Most paper we encounter in our daily life is rectangular.  This is
true of the reply cards that is found in magazines, which Karen Reed
proposes to use for "poverty folds".  One suggestion that I have is to
change the rectangle to a diamond shape, which makes perfect bird base
folding possible.  The main difference from starting from a square is that
opposite petals after folding the bird base will be of different lengths.
This may be a blessing in that it provides for variations in the length of
petals, while using the same basic folding as for a bird base.   For
example, it is possible to fold the flapping bird with long neck and tail
or long wings.  This applies to the eight point star, featured in my
Modern Origami, published in 1969 and will probably be reprinted by Dover
Publications later this year and to other bird base foldings, making a
large number of instructions from the past which can be tried out.
     To get the diamond shape  fold one corner to the opposite corner.
Fold in the remaining corners to opposite ends  of the crease line. The
folded in corners can be cut off if the paper is heavy, as in the case of
mailing cards..  This is the same procedure that I used for six point star
figures  for dollar bill folding.  With most rectangles, however, the two
diagonals are not so different in lengths and it is possible to go for the
eight point star, since all four points can be used.    Where the two
diagonals meet is the center of the bird base, and the inner square
resulting from sinking of the center point will be square, providing four
equal length legs, for animals, for example.
     While it is possible to simply create a square paper by cutting off
one end of a rectangle, this approach allows for a novel appearance to even
familiar bird base figures.
>James M. Sakoda, origami dollar bill foldings in pdf form:
>http://idt.net/~kittyv





Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:03:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net>
Subject: Re: John Montroll is AN ALIEN ! !

Kim Best wrote:
> Besides Jean-Jerome,  Origami-l IS a magic land, where everybody  is
> nice to each other.

Huh?!?!?!

> There is no sex.

ARRRRRGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Perry
--
>From pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net

***************************************
* Hey, no matter where you go, there  *
* you are.  B. Bonzai :?)'            *





Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:34:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Brett Askinazi <brett@hagerhinge.com>
Subject: RE: John Montroll is AN ALIEN ! !

I was thinking more in the way of Robert Lang being an alien, with at least 3
     arms and many more than ten fingers.

Alien's REAL success in origami comes from all of the EXTRA appendages and
     fingers and stuff that they cannot reveal to us mere mortals.

At night and when they are alone, that is when the real creating begins ;)

Brett

-----Original Message-----
From:   Kim Best [SMTP:kim.best@m.cc.utah.edu]
Sent:   Wednesday, August 13, 1997 8:33 PM
To:     Multiple recipients of list
Subject:        Re: John Montroll is AN ALIEN ! !

Oh! what the big deal anyway!  We've all known that Jeramy Shaffer is an
alien, for years and that hasn't hurt his reputation!  No really!  I've
been told he is a Vegan.  Isn't that someone from the Vega star system?

Besides Jean-Jerome,  Origami-l IS a magic land, where everybody  is
nice to each other.  Flaming is not tolarated.  There is no sex.  And
Origami designers are expected to diagram all their greatest creations,
and distribute them at no cost, so others can fold them and make money
off them without giving the designer credit.

Don't you love it!

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 13:34:41 -0300 (ADT)
From: Brett Askinazi <brett@hagerhinge.com>
Subject: RE: Storing big paper

Actually my cat loves to jump on things that are hanging on the wall.

In my daughters room there is a pair of Mickey Mouse ears hanging up.  Boy . .
     . He loves those things . . . Strange.

Brett

-----Original Message-----
From:   Dennis Brannon [SMTP:brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com]
Sent:   Monday, August 11, 1997 1:11 PM
To:     Multiple recipients of list
Subject:        RE: Storing big paper

Valerie posted:
> Put a poster on one side and hang it on the wall...
I really like this idea.  Its easy to find again, and not likely to get damaged,
crushed, walked across, marked by the cat, fallen on, or curved over time.
And its at the right height to remove the papers easily.

dennis
--
Dennis Brannon
brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com
Ayer, MA USA





Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:38:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: John Montroll is AN ALIEN ! !

Jean-Jerome CASALONGA <jjerome.casalonga@hol.fr> sez

>I'M JEAN-JEROME CASALONGA, THE MAD CORSICAN FOLDER.

Oh my goodness. For those that don't know, JJ vanished from sight a few
years ago, having conviced the entire origami world that he was barking
mad. I suspected he was on Mars with Elvis & the subject seems to back
this up.

Good to see you JJ!

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:57:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: bad book/good book story

Yesterday I was in a discount store and happened upon a book which I had not
seen before: _30 Origami Designs: Amazing Step-by-Step Origami Projects_,
dated 1996 from Smithmark Publishers/ Anness Publishing Ltd.  No author
given.  ISBN 07651-9770-7.

This book was 30 diagrams from Paul Jackson's _The Ultimate Papercraft and
Origami Book_, 1992.  The pages were just lifted and reset into a smaller
(8x8in) format.  No credit was given for any design or to Paul Jackson's
book.  Anness and Smithmark (the US distributor) were the ones who put out
the 1992 book.

I called Smithmark, the phone number for which was given.  They referred me
to Anness, the British publisher which did have a New York office and
toll-free number.  The woman at Anness was very nice.  I explained that I
was concerned about the lack of credits, especially since the book was
obviously a spin-off (it is not as if they did not have the info).  She
explained about their contracts that gave them the rights to leave off
credits for any subsequent use of the material.

I told her that the origami community tended to recognize people's work and
tended to know who designed what -- and that we tended to look for that
credit.  I told her that I never recommended any book for purchase if it did
not credit the designer(s); that small print was okay; that it just didn't
seem like any skin off their nose to include credits.  She agreed that this
seemed like the right thing to do and said that she would speak to the
London office about it.

She called me back half an hour later.  She had spoken with the editorial
offices in London and they had agreed to add the credit both to Paul
Jackson's 1992 book and to the individual designers for the next printing.
She also said that the folks in the London office said that they would
follow that policy for other origami books.  She said that nobody there
really realized that there were (current/modern??) people actually designing
these models -- that is why they never thought about giving credit.  (I
guess they thought about it like they would think about papier mache: no
credit is given to a named person for instructions for covering a bowl with
wet, gooey newsprint.)

I was really pleased with the prompt and reasonable response.  This way we
all win: origami designers get credit, and that publisher may well sell more
copies of the book, especially after the new printing comes out.

This is, after all, a Paul Jackson book: clear diagrams, great models.  The
one disappointment is that only about 90% of the origami section of the 1992
book is included.  (His elephant model with the closed sink on the back is
not in the new book.)  This newer one is much easier to handle since it is
smaller in size.  It also seems as if it is printed for the remainder
market, in that it has a very low price and showed up in a discount store.
Guess that means that Paul gets not a cent from it -- but at least he will
shortly get credit!!

Carol Hall
chall@scsn.net





Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:10:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: John Montroll is AN ALIEN ! !

>
> Jean-Jerome CASALONGA <jjerome.casalonga@hol.fr> sez
>
> >I'M JEAN-JEROME CASALONGA, THE MAD CORSICAN FOLDER.
>
> Oh my goodness. For those that don't know, JJ vanished from sight a few
> years ago, having conviced the entire origami world that he was barking
> mad. I suspected he was on Mars with Elvis & the subject seems to back
> this up.
>
> Good to see you JJ!
>
> all the best,
Are you sure it was with Elvis? I heard it was with the Invisible Man.
Where do you think he came up with that invisible model of his anyway?

---
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:55:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jean-Jerome CASALONGA <jjerome.casalonga@hol.fr>
Subject: Alien !

               WHOW ! ! ! ! !

        My goal was to try to make a small entry on the Origami-L list !  If I
would have know that one e-mail would bring so many reactions...  well, I
would have probably posted it earlier.

        I'm glad to see that Origami people can (and do) express their feelings
(Jaelle, you have nothing to worry, I won't eat your ear).

        This Origami List is something I was waiting for a long time.  At last a
place where everyone can chat, exchange ideas, ...  and sooooooooo faster
than the regular Origami magazines.  Just try to imagine such a discussion
on the Origami USA newsletter.  I write in January, my text (eventually
appears in March), Jaelle send her comments in April, which are published
in June.  Wait 3 more months to get my reply to her comments.  By the time,
John Montroll will have ship back to his planet !

        Thank you Jaelle for expressing your feelings
        Thank you the others for expressing your support.

               The Mad Corsican Folder,      Jean-Jerome CASALONGA

Note : I'll be off on holiday for 2 weeks.





Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 17:03:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: Michael Clark <mclark@digitalaspect.com>
Subject: Re: Welcome JJ

I too, have a hard time finding paper that is invisible on both sides.  My
solution is to buy the one-sided paper.  If you hold it with the visible
side up, a mountain fold will result in a two-sided paper, but a valley
fold will result in a completely invisible paper!  Works every time (now if
I can just remember where I put that piece of paper down....)

>Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 21:24:04 -0500
>From: Martha Mitchen <afolder@avana.net>
>To: origami-l@nstn.ca
>Subject: Welcome JJ
>Message-ID: <33F26C44.4B83@avana.net>
>
>JJ
>
>I, too, wish to welcome you to the list.  I am among those who enjoy
>your sense of the ridiculous, which I was first exposed to when I met
>you at a convention several years ago.  For those who don't know JJ, a
>perfect example of it can be found in his Famous Faces in Origami
>booklet which contains diagrams for folding an invisible man.  If you
>think folding Montroll or Lang is a challenge, try folding the invisible
>man.  My attempt was stalled for quite a while because I had a difficult
>time locating paper that was invisible on both sides.
<<<<<>>>>><<<<<>>>>><<<<<>>>>><<<<<>>>>><<<<<>>>>><<<<<>>>>>
Michael Clark                <>  The boy, ah say, the boy's
Digital Aspect               <>  about as sharp as a
Cary, North Carolina         <>  bowlin' ball!
mclark@digitalaspect.com     <>           - Foghorn Leghorn
http://www.digitalaspect.com <>





Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 18:00:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: deg farrelly <ICDEG@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU>
Subject: Photo Help!  Origami USA Convention Model Menu

Help!

For the first time in many, many years, I took *no* photos of
the Model Menu display at the Origami USA convention in NYC this
past June.

Now I need a photo!  (My institutional web-based newsletter is
running a short article on the convention and wants to include an
image)

Does anyone have photos of Model Menu from this year's convention?
And to make it tougher... does anyone have these images in a
digital format - scanned or otherwise?

Please respond to me directly at my aol address:  StickmanAZ@aol.com

Thanx for your help!

o)-(

Stickman

deg farrelly
1601 West Sunnyside Drive, #115       E-Mail:  deg@asu.edu
Phoenix, Arizona  85029               Phone:   602.943.8175





Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 19:29:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mary & Bruce Thornhill <thorn01@gte.net>
Subject: Re: RE : Jaelle reply to my mail

Jean-Jerome CASALONGA wrote:
>
>                 Dear Jaelle,
>
>         On every book and magazine about Internet, where they give advice on
     the
> Netiquette, one of the first thing they say is : "Try to avoid humor".
> They might be right.  I might be wrong.  But please let me clear out some
> points :
>
> 1 - I really like Montroll.  The creator (I've got ALL his books, and I'd
> kill anyone you want to have a preview on his next book), and the man (I'm
> lucky enough to have met him)
> 2 - Why should Origami be a "Magical land" where everything is beautifull,
> where everybody loves everybody, where no one should (or could) say "I
> don't like that".
> 3 - Politically correctness is the last thing I would like to see in
> Origami.
> 4 - My mum keeps telling me that I've got a strange sense of humor.  Maybe
> too much Monty Pithons and too much Simpsons, and not enough time at school
> 5 - I ENTIRELY subscribe to your motto : "Life is short! Eat more Ice Cream
> and share the music of laughter".
> 6 - I'm sorry if I hurt you (and maybe other people who didn't wrote).  My
> mail was not to make fun OF john Montroll.
> 7 - If the only mail "allowed" on Origami-l are "Does anyone know how to
> fold a dog names PIPO" and "Does anyone have a spare copy of "Origami for
> the Simpsons", then I'll drop off.  Come on, Origami can (and must) be fun.
>  Bad taste fun for me, maybe, but FUN.
> 8 - I'd be happy to send you a copy of my booklet "Krazy Origami", which
> holds the sum of my tremendous talent at creating Origami models (send me
> your address)
> 9 - Wait untill you read on my feelings on Maaaaaaster Yoshizawa (I lay
> prostrated at your feet)
>
>         Sincerely,
>                                         JJ CASALONGA
>
>

Hello all,

Personally I loved the Alien letter!  It was cute.  Just my very humble
opnion.  Thanks!

Mary T.





Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 20:07:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com
Subject: RE: Origami CDROM "Paper Art Volume 1" (was ORIGAMI-L digest 810)

The models in the "Paper Art Vol. 1: Origami with Steve Matheson" are -

Simple Origami:
        Frog (Big Mouth), Swan, Sailboat, Butterfly, Flower (2 piece)
Action Origami:
        Flapping Bird (not the traditional one)
Practical Origami:
        Book, Wallet, Envelope, Traditional Box
Special Projects:
        Magic Origami Book, Origami Earrings

Each model is a QuickTime movie with Steve folding the model as he
describes what he is doing and he uses Origami terminology.
Its easy to stop the movie and back it up to repeat a part.

Under Techniques he covers
Folds:
        Valley, Mountain, Inside Reverse, Outside Reverse, Sink,
        Crimp, Pleat, Squash, Petal, and Rabbit Ear
Bases:
        Kite, Fish, Preliminary, Waterbomb, Bird, Frog, Pinwheel,
        and Blintz
Wet-Folding:
        Paper, Paste, Method (text)
Backcoating:
        Paper, Paste, Method (text)

Japanese music plays during the QuickTime movies for the Folds
and Bases.

I'll have to revise my opinion of this CD.  Its not just simple models...
He really does use the folds described above and the explanations
and hand movements are easy to follow.  So I'd give it a simple
to low intermediate skill rating.  Definitely worth getting if you want to
encourage more Origami CDROMs or as a gift to a friend who
is curious about Origami.

The CDROM is for Windows 3.1/NT/95, OS/2, and Macintosh.

dennis
--
Dennis Brannon
brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com
Ayer, Massachusetts USA





Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:59:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kim Best <kim.best@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: Appology for expressing an opinion.

jaelle wrote:
>

>
> If this was meant as a humorous "roast". I appologize for tendering my
> opinion.
>
> I will not state an opinion anymore here. Whether it is a strongly felt
> opionion or not
>

Ahhhh... Come on Jaelle, don't do that!  Strong opinions are what make
groups like this fun.  Just be aware that if you express your opinions,
others may have contrary opinions, and will express them.  But that's
OK, a little heated exchange keeps things interesting.  I mean, how many
Origami Sightings, and requests for out of date books can you take?

Besides, when I first say JJ paradying someone as well known, and loved,
as Montroll, I knew he was skating on thin ice.  I was expecting someone
to get offended.  Your little outburst, livened things up!  It speaks
well of John that someone would want to defend his honor so.

And if JJ wants to drop from the list, let him try!  This listserver has
a mind of it's own, it only drops who it wants!

Frankly, I think the people on this list are way to quick to
appologize.  Having perticipated in a newsgroup, (Who's name shall not
be mention, tho some of you know what its!) where contention is the
rule, I can say with confidence that many of you don't know what a flame
is!  I swear that if someone really did write a flaming post, half of
you would die of a heart attack!  There are a lot of topics in origami,
where people have stong opinions.  But, it seems to me that just when
things get interesting the discussion dies out.  Come on people, say it
like you see it, we can take it!

So Jaelle, just be yourself, your opinion is wanted as much as anyone
elses. And if some disagree, fine.  Let the sparks fly!

Oh, and about this AOL thing.  What's the big deal anyway?  It's not
like they are doing anything new!  I swear I was recieving junk mail and
junk phone calls long before AOL was even in business.  I wonder where
they got my personal information?  'Cides, what respected magazine would
cite alt.aolsucks as a source???

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 22:04:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kim Best <kim.best@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: Who am I ?

Jean-Jerome CASALONGA wrote:
>

>
> Sorry, I couldn't resist !
>
> For all of you who wonder what I look like :
>
> Bad taste one day, bad taste all days !
>

>
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> AAAAACwBAAAAMQE7AQME/rAYcyq6OOvNcfrg9YlImJTgeZaopo4raqYpGXZ4zqqsfIurUU+XESIq
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> cF3w4UBVqgrQEBAoAHFhjqTOWjJ7Ka1atpgK4tTZqRNKnwyDksrblO/Rin/JLcXYdHAgHAUClDlg
.
.
.
> 8OkYZ7H0hgHL2m3J/s0ZTyuuFLL3ntEgg+l4hHLvCNIEtUrpjodivHFdFiYaeMSCqiBlwiz5WO5a
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> cpYO4FM9C10EyVB7rgudYjt4qnSMjg

Ah HA!  Now we know who the alien is!  That looks suspiciously simular
to the message I saw in Contact!
--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 22:12:43 -0300 (ADT)
From: pat slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: Re: John Montroll is AN ALIEN ! !

> Jean-Jerome CASALONGA <jjerome.casalonga@hol.fr> sez
>
> >I'M JEAN-JEROME CASALONGA, THE MAD CORSICAN FOLDER.
>
> Oh my goodness. For those that don't know, JJ vanished from sight a few
> years ago, having conviced the entire origami world that he was barking
> mad. I suspected he was on Mars with Elvis & the subject seems to back
> this up.

ooooh. I just heard on the radio this morning that it was the 25th (I
think?) anniversery of Elvis's death. Can this reappearance be a
foreshadowing of the King's return?

BTW, anyone ever do an origami Elvis?

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 22:58:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: pat slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: Yoshizawa "Masterworks" question.

In the back of the new Yoshizawa "Masterworks" are some pictures
of Yoshizawa cutting and wetfolding a model....Sure wish I had a
translation of this section. Anyway, there is one photograph  right
after the one where he is cutting the paper (with a big knife and a 2
X 4?!!?) that shows him running his finger along the cut edge.

My question: Anyone know why is he doing that?

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:12:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@sci.fi>
Subject: Re: Who am I ? : Problem with attached file

On 15-Aug-97, Jean-Jerome CASALONGA (jjerome.casalonga@hol.fr) wrote:

>Seems there have been a problem with the attached file.  Yes, there was an
>attached file (a GIF file). I've had this problem before.  I don't know how
>to solve it, all I can tell you is that it comes from the mail reader
>protocol.

>When I look, at the message I sent, I also have all this rubish.

>The message was sent with a MIME code, and it was received as UUENCODE.
>This makes that, appart from the text, the attached file is not recognized
>as being one.

Few mailing lists handle attachments correctly. There's nothing you can do
about it. (Except uploading your picture to "Rid Tellus of Human Scum"
support site at uww.abduction.mars and post a pointer here)

>I'm currently coding this message with UUENCODE, and I'll attach a very
>small image file.  If it works, good.  If it doesn't, then I'll have to
>call HELP !

Nothing we can do before we get rid of these archaic interface devices
currently used by inhabitants of this way-too-wet planet.

--
Jorma "Mhragf Yiusdhblb" Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

They say I'm negative and indifferent, but I refuse to care.





Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:17:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Goveia, William P" <wgoveia@indiana.edu>
Subject: RE: Who am I ? : Problem with attached file

I think I may have seen you in Bloomington, Indiana last October!!!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jean-Jerome CASALONGA [SMTP:jjerome.casalonga@hol.fr]
> Sent: Friday, August 15, 1997 3:02 AM
> To:   Multiple recipients of list
> Subject:      Re: Who am I ? : Problem with attached file
>
>
> Hum Hum,
>
> Seems there have been a problem with the attached file.  Yes, there
> was an
> attached file (a GIF file). I've had this problem before.  I don't
> know how
> to solve it, all I can tell you is that it comes from the mail reader
> protocol.
>
> When I look, at the message I sent, I also have all this rubish.
>
> The message was sent with a MIME code, and it was received as
> UUENCODE.
> This makes that, appart from the text, the attached file is not
> recognized
> as being one.
>
> I'm currently coding this message with UUENCODE, and I'll attach a
> very
> small image file.  If it works, good.  If it doesn't, then I'll have
> to
> call HELP !
>
>       Sincerely,
>                     JJ CASALONGA
>
>  << File: Jkoln1.gif >>





Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:26:22 -0300 (ADT)
From: Wayne Fluharty <wflu@hotmail.com>
Subject: Origami(?) sighting

CNN has a story this morning about a paper airplane contest. Make sure you
read to the end of the story about the one that "stole the show".

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9708/14/australia.paper.planes/index.html

Flu (Wayne Fluharty)
wflu@hotmail.com





Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:28:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: Amy Huang <ahuang@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
Subject: The Last Dance in the BOS magazines.

Hi there,

        I realize that this topic was brought up in the list a short while
ago, but I hope no one minds if I re-open it again.

        The original message was the request for The Last Dance models. I
have seen these models and they're very beautiful but I would like to know
EXACTLY how I can get a hold of them. From the messages that were posted, I
got the feeling that one could find the models in the magazines from the
British Origami Society. However, I'm not a member of the society, so is
there another way that I can get a hold of the diagrams for these models??
And, if I can ONLY get them from the BOS, how can I get a copy of the one
magazine that holds the diagrams?

        Thanks for everyone's input in advance:)
        Amy
        http://www.angelfire.com/la/Lal
        Join the Ring of Origami Art!
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            ||    ------     Amy Huang                      ||
            ||   ||||||||    ahuang@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca     ||
            ||   ||||||||    http://www.ualberta.ca/~ahuang ||
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            ||  |   _    |   Faculty of Pharmacy            ||
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            ||  |  | \   |   Edmonton, Alberta, Canada      ||





Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:41:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jerry Bono <bono@winternet.com>
Subject: Re: Who am I ? : Problem with attached file

>Hum Hum,
>
>Seems there have been a problem with the attached file.  Yes, there was an
>attached file (a GIF file). I've had this problem before.  I don't know how
>to solve it, all I can tell you is that it comes from the mail reader
>protocol.
>
>When I look, at the message I sent, I also have all this rubish.
>
>The message was sent with a MIME code, and it was received as UUENCODE.
>This makes that, appart from the text, the attached file is not recognized
>as being one.
>
>I'm currently coding this message with UUENCODE, and I'll attach a very
>small image file.  If it works, good.  If it doesn't, then I'll have to
>call HELP !
>
>       Sincerely,
>                         JJ CASALONGA
>
>
>
>
>Attachment converted: HD 420:Jkoln1.gif (GIFf/JVWR) (00030F9C)

if you want to send attachments, please don't send them to the list as a
whole. thank you.

bono

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