




Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 23:54:33 -0300 (ADT)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Takagi's "Origami, Koten no miru origami"

>Hello,
>
>This note is a long overdue public thank-you to James Sakoda for his
>June 5, 1997 reply to my earlier topic "What did I buy?" in which I asked
>about a special Oru issue on the history of folding.
>
>Thank-you for the summary and translation (!) of highlights from the
>historical chart in the back.  The book is a visual treasure and it's
>wonderful to have a small peek into the text.  The translation you
>provided refered to "treasure boats" found on kimono prints.  Yoshizawa
>had examples of this boat when he was in Salem, MA recently, but I
>haven't run across any diagrams for what is obviously a traditional
>model.  (It is different than the Chinese junk and looks very stylized
>almost like a joss paper folding.)  Does anyone know where I can find
>this model?
>
>Again, thanks very much to James Sakoda for your posting.
>
>Kristine Tomlinson
>Waltham, MA, USA

Dear Kristine, Thank you for your kind words.  The treasure boat is
historically an important boat, since it appears early in the history as
recounted by Takagi.  You even have a picture of it.  You can find a
diagram of it in the appendix of Kosho Uchiyama's Origami Zukan, which you
are not likely to get hold of.  He shows how the boat with a pointed front
end is folded from a double boat, changed to an Omiya (palace).  One end is
made pointed and the other folded up to form a deck, but surprisingly the
final move is the same as for the Chinese junk, which requires pulling out
the ends and form sqaure decks at both ends and a space for cargo in the
center.  You can find directions for the Chinese junk in Murray and
Rigney's Paper Folding for Beginners (Dover Publications) as well as Robert
Harbin's Paper Magic, 1956.  The following are my directions for folding
the treasure boat from the Chinese junk.
1.  Fold the triple blintz fold, starting with a fold of corners into the
uncolored side  and alternating sides   to which the corners are folded
(same one as for the Yakkosan).    2.  Undo the last two blintz folds and
fold the double boat via the windmill base.    3.   Pull out the corner
from the first blintz fold from one  side of the double boat, and and  bend
over the raw corner and the two side points to form the flap which holds
the box together.  The flap is the same size as the side of the box.    4.
>From this box it is possible to fold the Chinese junk as described by
Murray and Rigney.   5.  Fold the sides of the box into an "I" beam, with
the sides of the box being the top and bottom of the "I".  6.  Fold the
sides under the box, which flattens the entire box.  Note the ends of the
first blintz fold in the center, which shows up in the picture in Takagi's
book.   7.  Fold the flatened box in half across the two flaps.  8.  Pull
out both ends of the mountain fold to form the remarkable square decks on
both ends.  It helps to loosen up the  folds when doing the pullout
operation to avoid tearing.  9.  Pull out the flaps of the box from the
square decks and fold the ends down in half to lower the ends of the
Chinese junk.  Alternatively, it is possible to pull out one the blntz
folds of the flaps to form a sail, although this does not seem to be
traditionally done.  10.  Now for the treasure boat, take the opened sail
at one end and fold in the raw side edges to the center line, forming a
point front end which tends to face upward.  To lower it a bit (check the
picture on Page 6 of Takagi's book) make an adjustment on the bottom of the
boat, pretty much leaving the deck untouched.  This step can be done at an
earlier stage before the pullout operation. which is what happens when one
follows Kosho Uchiyiama's direction in Origami Zukan.
     The remarkable thing about he Chinese junk and the Takarabune is that
there are two approaches, which uses the same pullout procedure at the end.
The Chinese junk can be of Chinese  origin and it is known that Chinese
paper folding tends toward boxy creations rather than birds and flowers
which the Japanese prefer.  The Chinese junk can be a large sea going
sailing vessel.  The Takarabune, on the other hand, is not only folded
differently, but also has a daintier appearance.  Uchiyama calls it a
"tenmasen", a kind of cargo carrying vessel operated with an oar or pole.
It frequently appears in old Japanese period piece movies.
     Good luck.  Jim Sakoda
James M. Sakoda, origami dollar bill foldings in pdf form:
http://idt.net/~kittyv





Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 13:39:51 -0300 (ADT)
From: Michael Montebello <florafauna@msn.com>
Subject: Hawaii

Hi!
The Hobbit and Co. (Husband, Kid, Mother, and Dad) are adventuring to Hawaii,
the middle of September. I'll of course be looking for paper, and books,
including used books. Our plans not set. We will have a car and will be
staying on the north shore of Oahu, we are planing to go to Hawaii to the
Natl' Park. Any suggestions for O'stuff would be appreciated.





Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 00:27:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@pb.net>
Subject: L.I.F.E. Fold Fest

Anyone planning to be in the New York City or Long Island area is welcome to
attend our annual Fold Fest. There is no charge and no pre-registration, just
come to the Plainview /Old Bethpage Public Library, anytime between 1:00 and
9:00P.M. on Suday August 17th.

I've arranged for a pick-up at the Hicksville railroad station for those
arriving by L.I.R.R. If you have any questions or would like directions or a
ride from the station, e-mail me privately.

You dragon lovers, eat your heart out: Ros Joyce will probably be teaching the
Neale/Kasahara dragon, I'll teach "The Last Waltz, Toby Schwartz will be
teaching business card folds and we've lots more good stuff planned.

Hope to see you on Sunday

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 00:35:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mike and Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Hawaii

Michael Montebello wrote:
>
> Hi!
> The Hobbit and Co. (Husband, Kid, Mother, and Dad) are adventuring to Hawaii,
> the middle of September. I'll of course be looking for paper, and books,
> including used books. Our plans not set. We will have a car and will be
> staying on the north shore of Oahu, we are planing to go to Hawaii to the
> Natl' Park. Any suggestions for O'stuff would be appreciated.

Here's my list of Hawaii sources:

Bunbundo Bookstore
655 Keeaumoku Street
Honolulu, HI 96814
tel: (808) 947-2525
fax: (808) 942-4788
Japanese bookstore with imported books, pre-packaged papers, and washi.

Daiei
Hekaha Street
Honolulu, HI
Origami paper.

Derek S. Hiroe
Origami Artistry
98-029 Hekaha St, Ste 30
Aiea, HI 96701
(808) 488-0660
(808) 488-2422
Company arranges 1000 cranes into Chinese or Japanese characters, scenic
pictures, etc.

Frame Masters
South King Street
Honolulu, HI
(808) 955-6771
Company arranges 1000 cranes into Chinese or Japanese characters, scenic
pictures, etc.

Hakubundo Inc.
100 N Beretania
Honolulu, Hawaii 96817
tel: (808) 521-3805
At the Chinese Cultural Plaza. Japanese bookstore in downtown Honolulu.
Books by Nishimura and Watanabe on Japanese Paper Doll Craft (anesama
ningyoo).
WIDE variety of papers. Also carries "tsuyadashi", a Japanese product
made by made by the washi craft company Sakura Horikiri. It is an
acrylic lacquer that
comes in a nail polish type bottle, nontoxic, fast drying. Good for
finishing and hardening models, especially jewelry.

Iida
At Ala Moana
Honolulu, HI
Origami paper

Iwase Books
Honolulu, HI
Books by Nishimura and Watanabe on Japanese Paper Doll Craft (anesama
ningyoo)

Little Dollhouse
98-1247 Kaahumanu ST. Suite 109A
Aiea, HI 96701
(808) 484-4416
Carries "tsuyadashi", a Japanese product made by made by the washi craft
company Sakura Horikiri. It is an acrylic lacquer that comes in a nail
polish type bottle,
nontoxic, fast drying. Good for finishing and hardening models,
especially jewelry.

Morning Glory
A chain of Korean stationery stores. Branches in Hawaii.

Origami by Jan
http://www.gotomymall.com/hawaii/origami/
Origami jewelry (pins and earrings) - crane, butterfly, frog, turtle,
camelia, triple camelia, square, wing, star, aloha shirt.

Shirokiya
At Ala Moana
Honolulu, HI
Origami paper

Janet Hamilton

--
mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/





Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 00:37:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Mathematica, (YES, origami)

The Mathematica origami flapping bird is
shown in some of the graphics illustrations
in the Mathematica Book I wrote of. The
book by the way is dated 1996 and is about
Mathematica 3. I don't know if that is the
current version, but even if it isn't, most
of the 1400 pages should still be applicable.

--valerie





Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 00:39:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: Storing big paper

Graphics supply stores (Fidelity is one catalog
we get regularly at work) carry tray systems, big
folders, portfolios, etc for tranporting and storing
large paper & drawings. Other options are large diameter
cardboard tubes (wrap the paper around, cover with plain
paper; roll the opposite direction periodically.)

A large flat box or portfolio will go under a bed, behind
the couch. Put a poster on one side and hang it on the
wall...

Another solution is large zip lock bags made for
protecting engineering and architectural drawings on
the job site. There are also hanging versions of these.
As for closets, hang the bags, folders, etc flat against
the back wall...

--valerie





Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 00:45:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pam and/or Namir <pgraben@umich.edu>
Subject:

Hey everybody.  I got this email, and when I tried replying to it, the email
came back
as user unknown.  Does anyone recognize them, or is the sender even reading
this?

>From: "Chris Alexander" <calexander@hidesert.com>
>To: <pgraben@umich.edu>
>Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 00:56:01 -0000
>
>Hi :)
>
>       I saw your page on the web and you seem to know a lot about Origami
     books.
>
>Maybe you could help me. I am writing an origami book on my original works,
>and I haven't the slightest idea how to go about getting it published. I
>would greatly apreciate any help you could give me in getting started.
>
>             Thanks,
>                  Chris

!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-
Pamela Graben:     Thinking... what a concept!
Namir Gharaibeh:  "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."
pgraben@umich.edu





Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:07:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Mini-convention in Manalapan, N. J.

Don't forget, our CO-OP mini-convention at the Monmouth
County Headquarters Library (Symmes Rd. off of Rte. 9) Manalapan, N. J.) will
be

Saturday, September 20, l997 from 10 to 5 o'clock.

 Hope to see you there.  Bring paper, exhibit models and your enthusiasm.
  Symmes Rd. is just before Value City coming South from N. Y. or North
Jersey.  Tell your friends.  E-mail me for more information.
 Dorigami@aol.com.





Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:37:34 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: E-Mail to Dorigami since last Friday

If anyone has sent me a personal E-mail within the last week I was dropped
from Origami-l and just got back on.  Could you please send your message
again.  Thanks.  Dorigami@aol.com





Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:07:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: LapinPub@aol.com
Subject: Re: Awesome Origami

Yep, it's out there...  OUSA bought 150 copies and I imagine that they still
have a few.  Alexander, Blace & Co. also has them.  Their web site is
www.origamido.com.  I also imagine that Bren at fascinating folds has it.
  Best of luck...

J.C. Nolan





Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:10:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mr & Mrs Owen <djowen@pcl.net>
Subject: Re: E-Mail to Dorigami since last Friday

Did everyone get dropped last week?

----------
> From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject: E-Mail to Dorigami since last Friday
> Date: Monday, August 11, 1997 8:39 AM
>
> If anyone has sent me a personal E-mail within the last week I was
dropped
> from Origami-l and just got back on.  Could you please send your message
> again.  Thanks.  Dorigami@aol.com





Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:11:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: Dennis Brannon <brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com>
Subject: RE: Storing big paper

Valerie posted:
> Put a poster on one side and hang it on the wall...
I really like this idea.  Its easy to find again, and not likely to get damaged,
crushed, walked across, marked by the cat, fallen on, or curved over time.
And its at the right height to remove the papers easily.

dennis
--
Dennis Brannon
brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com
Ayer, MA USA





Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:40:33 -0300 (ADT)
From: Dennis Brannon <brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Origami Sighting: 2nd Origami commercial for Hershey Nuggets

Last night I saw the 2nd Origami commercial for Hershey Nuggets.

A gold foil wrapper folded itself into a large diamond, then refolded into
a winged dragon, then a sword, then a castle, and finally wrapped itself
into the nugget shape (with no crease lines...).

It was impressive to watch...
But, I'll have to eat a lot more chocolate before I'll believe the castle
was folded from just one wrapper 8^)

dennis
---
Dennis Brannon
brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com
Ayer, MA USA





Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:49:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: pat slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: "World of Origami" auction.

I just started an auction for an old hardback copy of "The World of
Origami" by Isao Honda. (Combining my origami hobby here with my eBay
hobby :->.) First minimum bid is set for $15.

You can find the auction and book details here:

http://www.ebay.com/aw-cgi/item.cgi?item=maz87152

and I have set it up so eBay registrtation is NOT required  Auction
ends on August 18th. If eBay is being sluggish try again another
time....Sometimes it gets overloaded.

Hope this selling method doesn't raise any hackles, but I really
couldn't decide on a selling price. A classic title but many models
use more than one sheet of paper and require cutting....And a
slightly abbreviated version of this book is still in print.

Planning that all proceeds will go toward my next Sasuga or
OUSA order, but I am willing to negotiate trades (BOS booklets, etc.)
for the equivalent of the high bid to avoid exchange rate
difficulties.

(I'll keep a list of any "losing" bidders and promise to let them
know if I see other copies for sale somewhere! This title does turn
up sometimes.)

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:49:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: Helena Verrill <helena@mast.queensu.ca>
Subject: tesselations

Hello All,

I emailed about tesselations a few weeks ago; I've been too busy since
then to do all the things I want to do, but I do have access to a scanner
now, so although I don't have time to do diagrams for tesselations,
I did just put some images up at the following web page:
http://www.mast.queensu.ca/~helena/origami/tesselations/hira.htm
I've not linked to this page from any of my other pages yet, and
I might wait until it's improved, but thought I'd let anyone
interested know here.
Helena
helena@mast.queensu.ca





Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:59:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: Richard of Foong <ryf@ecr.mu.oz.au>
Subject: Re: Dragons And The Like

Hmm... I wanted to find out about dragons about 4 or 5 months ago, and
posted a message on here. There werent many replies. It's nice to see some
response now (although not from my messages).

Ok, Can anyone tell me where i can get and diagrams of the Bird of Prey? I
was told that someone had a copy, but i forgot who.

Richard.





Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 20:38:01 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: tesselations

On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Helena Verrill wrote:

> I emailed about tesselations a few weeks ago; I've been too busy since
> then to do all the things I want to do, but I do have access to a scanner
> now, so although I don't have time to do diagrams for tesselations,
> I did just put some images up at the following web page:
> http://www.mast.queensu.ca/~helena/origami/tesselations/hira.htm
> I've not linked to this page from any of my other pages yet, and
> I might wait until it's improved, but thought I'd let anyone
> interested know here.

Very nice. If you do manage to fine some time, I would recommend breaking
your sets into individual photos and also providing thumbnails on your
menu page.

          Joseph Wu           It's your privilege as an artist to inflict
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   the pain of creativity on yourself. We can
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami you how YOU paint. There's More Than One Way
                              To Do It. Have the appropriate amount of fun.
                                          --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:12:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: Michael Montebello <florafauna@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Hawaii

I don't know if this got to the whole list so I'm redoing it. Sorry if you get
this twice! Thanks, Janet for your super list:) Any leads on used book stores?
does not have to be in English.
Thanks,
 Hobbit In South Carolina
----------
Hi!
The Hobbit and Co. (Husband, Kid, Mother, and Dad) are adventuring to Hawaii,
the middle of September. I'll of course be looking for paper, and books,
including used books. Our plans not set. We will have a car and will be
staying on the north shore of Oahu, we are planing to go to Hawaii to the
Natl' Park. Any suggestions for O'stuff would be appreciated.





Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:17:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: fold4wet@juno.com (Rosalind F Joyce)
Subject: Re:  storage of paper

1.     It holds up the bed.
2.     People think the dresser drawers hold clothing, of all the silly
ideas.
3.     Commissioned production of three 4 foot tall chart files to hold
large flat sheets  (had to be reinforced after they bowed out from weight
of paper).
4.     Several stacked cardboard boxes 26" X36" X10" decorating bedroom
wall.
5.     Lateral file cabinets with center divider removed.
Sigh...I like paper.  Folders from home group know just where to find me.

Ros Joyce





Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 23:35:02 -0300 (ADT)
From: Ronnie White <ronew@mindspring.com>
Subject: Help, I need foil

I want to backcoat some paper with foil, but I'm having a hard time locating
foil thin enough. I tried using household foil, but it is too thick. Where
can I buy some thin foil in small quanities. I found a place in NY that
sells it, but you have to buy at least 500 sheets at $50.00.

Ron White
ronew@mindspring.com

"Never underestimate the incredible destructive power of origami"

                                                  Earthworm Jim





Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 09:23:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: Help, I need foil

At 11:35 PM 8/11/97 -0300, Ronnie White <ronew@mindspring.com> wrote:

>I want to backcoat some paper with foil, but I'm having a hard time locating
>foil thin enough. I tried using household foil, but it is too thick. Where
>can I buy some thin foil in small quanities. I found a place in NY that
>sells it, but you have to buy at least 500 sheets at $50.00.

Perhaps this is not the answer you are looking for, but I am really curious
as to why certain foil-backers srtive to get the thinnest foil? Almost
inavriably, I have found that the thicker varieties of foil work better
(after all it is the foil that gives the material most of it's foldeng
properties). In fact, for models that have tick backing paper and/or are
few layers thick, I will use multiple layers of foil. the most layers so
far has been four. You get a solidity and hardness that is comprable to
much of the wetfolded work out there.

If for whatever reason you really do want thin foil, I hope you are aware
that the grocery store variety comes in two thicknesses (more often thinner
when in the 12inch width). perhaps this is what you want. If you really
want thin, you just might be satisfied with the commercially available foil
paper (whose foil content borders on anemic). With such paper, you can
decorate the wite side in a multitude of ways (people like Mark Kennedy
have had woderful results with this). Good luck.
Marc





Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 09:27:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mr & Mrs Owen <djowen@pcl.net>
Subject: Re: "World of Origami" auction.

Hi.  I tried your auction site and I need permission to see it.  I probably
won't bid, but I am very curious to see this remarkable book.  Joyce Owen

----------
> From: pat slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject: "World of Origami" auction.
> Date: Monday, August 11, 1997 1:49 PM
>
> I just started an auction for an old hardback copy of "The World of
> Origami" by Isao Honda. (Combining my origami hobby here with my eBay
> hobby :->.) First minimum bid is set for $15.
>
> You can find the auction and book details here:
>
> http://www.ebay.com/aw-cgi/item.cgi?item=maz87152
>
> and I have set it up so eBay registrtation is NOT required  Auction
> ends on August 18th. If eBay is being sluggish try again another
> time....Sometimes it gets overloaded.
>
> Hope this selling method doesn't raise any hackles, but I really
> couldn't decide on a selling price. A classic title but many models
> use more than one sheet of paper and require cutting....And a
> slightly abbreviated version of this book is still in print.
>
> Planning that all proceeds will go toward my next Sasuga or
> OUSA order, but I am willing to negotiate trades (BOS booklets, etc.)
> for the equivalent of the high bid to avoid exchange rate
> difficulties.
>
> (I'll keep a list of any "losing" bidders and promise to let them
> know if I see other copies for sale somewhere! This title does turn
> up sometimes.)
>
> pat slider
> slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 09:27:42 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mr & Mrs Owen <djowen@pcl.net>
Subject: love the last line ( Re: List Problems)

My son (the best folder of the family) loved the last line (he likes Stars
Wars more than origami.....I think
joyce owen
'mother of the folder'

----------
> From: Troy Tate <troy.tate@juno.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject: List Problems
> Date: Monday, August 11, 1997 1:27 PM
>
> Several people have noticed that there were no/few messages in the
> previous two weeks. This was due to an outage across the internet
> backbone and a lot of mail was not sent or was sent and never reached
> it's destination. Unfortunately, this may happen more and more as
> cyberspace reaches saturation under current technology.
>
> I'm glad everyone is still trying to communicate though! Keep up the
> good work and "May the Fold be with you!"
>
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> Seriously trying to avoid those techies
> who have a "charisma-bypass".
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> troy.tate@juno.com <it's free--what can I say?>





Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:19:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: What's the difference?

Hi all,

in german there is only one word for "falten", but in
english there are at least three:

fold
crease
pleat

What's the difference between these three words? And are
there more?

Matthias, creasing pleated folds.





Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:27:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mike Kanarek <kanarekorigami@hotmail.com>
Subject: Franklin Street Folders

Franklin Street Floders meet on the second saturday of eack month at the
Kingston Area Library at 10:30 in Kingston NY.
The Library is located at Franklin Street in Kingston.All are welcome,
bring your own paper if possible.
Futher information may be had by contacting Mike Kanarek at:
914-339-1795 between 7-9 pm or by e-mail Kanarekorigami@hotmail.com

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com





Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:51:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: Cathy Palmer-Lister <cathypl@generation.net>
Subject: Re: Dragons And The Like

Hello, Richard!

        Do you mean the BoP as in Klingon?  If so I have made them by
modifying one of John Montroll's dinosaurs.  I am a dreadful diagrammer, and
so my BoPs never quite come out the same way twice.  I did, long ago,
promise to mail somebody one of my BoPs, but then school started, and then
my hard drive crashed utterly and completely, and its replacement did the
same within a month!!!!! anyway, the long and short of all this is that I
have forgotten to whom I promised the BoP.  It might have been you!  If so,
send me your address, as I just found a couple of the Birds I thought were
lost and I could mail  one out before school starts again.

                                                                        CAthy

At 07:59 PM 1997-08-11 -0300, you wrote:
>
>Hmm... I wanted to find out about dragons about 4 or 5 months ago, and
>posted a message on here. There werent many replies. It's nice to see some
>response now (although not from my messages).
>
>Ok, Can anyone tell me where i can get and diagrams of the Bird of Prey? I
>was told that someone had a copy, but i forgot who.
>
>
>Richard.





Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:55:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: John Abbott <john@nombas.com>
Subject: Re: What's the difference?

At 11:20 AM 8/12/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>in german there is only one word for "falten", but in
>english there are at least three:
>
>fold
>crease
>pleat

"Fold" is the most basic of the three, to double something back on itself.

A "crease" is the line created when you fold something. To crease something
is to fold it in such a way that a crease is formed. It's a stronger fold.
If you pinch a fold together to make a firm line, you are creasing it.

"Pleat" is to fold back and forth (i.e. with repeated mountain and valley
folds), like this /\/\/\/\/\.





Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:00:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: Cathy Palmer-Lister <cathypl@generation.net>
Subject: Re:  storage of paper

Sounds like the garden of Eden to me!  I recently saw clear plastic storage
boxes designed to be kept under the bed.  They are fairly large and flat,
and I thought right away about storing paper, but I wasn't sure of the
sizes.  I think they were just a shade too small.  Anyway, it would
certainly hold the medium sized papers quite well.  (The reason I didn't
rush home with two or three of them is that I have two dogs, and the thought
of storing my paper under the bed with the hair balls didn't appeal to me!)

    CAthy

At 10:17 PM 1997-08-11 -0300, you wrote:
>1.     It holds up the bed.
>2.     People think the dresser drawers hold clothing, of all the silly
>ideas.
>3.     Commissioned production of three 4 foot tall chart files to hold
>large flat sheets  (had to be reinforced after they bowed out from weight
>of paper).
>4.     Several stacked cardboard boxes 26" X36" X10" decorating bedroom
>wall.
>5.     Lateral file cabinets with center divider removed.
>Sigh...I like paper.  Folders from home group know just where to find me.
>
>Ros Joyce





Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:38:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kristine Tomlinson <ktomlinson@platinum.com>
Subject: Self-locking Folds

Hi,

Robert Allan Schwartz asked me about models with self-locking folds.
Sorry, I can't really say I've been tracking them but I'm always impressed
when I find a model that has them built in.

The first one I noticed was the traditional  balloon made from the water
bomb base.  This is one of my favorites!  Someone managed to work out
a three-dimensional cube *and* the little tabs and pockets that allow you
to blow it up.  And it's so simple!

Although I can't think of others off the top of my head, I tend to fold lots
of birds and animals and am sure I've seen some sophisticated uses
there.  Any animal that uses mountain folds in toward the body to shape
the final product can be adapted to self-lock to keep the two sides
together.  One example is John Montrol's Hummingbird found in "Birds in
Origami".  Two triangles get folded under to shape the belly.  Simply sink
one and insert the other in as a tab.  The model stays together much
better that way.  By the way, it's my favorite of hummingbird model.

Some modulars have interesting locking mechanizims, too, but my original

Robert, do you have any favorite self-/interlocking models?

Kristine Tomlinson
Waltham, MA, USA





Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:04:07 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Portland OR Folders

Sorry to bother the whole list with this but I've lost some addresses:

I'll be in Portland for the Portland Marathon (my wife is running) and would
     love to finally meet all of you folders over there - can it be done?
     Jennifer?  Gretchen?  Are you out there?

               Origami:  "Welcome to the fold"

                     Steve Woodmansee

                     stevew@empnet.com

                    Bend, Oregon

            <bold>http://www.empnet.com/woodmansee

</bold>





Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:07:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: What's the difference?

A fold is falten that stays put.

 A crease is a fold that has been unfolded and
  often refers to the mark or line left after the
  fold has been un-folded. ("pre-creasing")

A pleat is a compound of two or more folds that
  results in shorting the paper length or reducing
  the area. (Skirts and Scottish "kilts" have pleats.)
  "Pleats" may also be called "tucks", "crimps", etc.,
  but in origami usually "pleat" refers to folds that
  are made with parallel folds.

  There are different styles of pleats, depending on
  the alternation of the valley and mountain folds,
  e.g. "Z" pleats, Acordian pleats, box pleats, etc.
     __             __   ___
      /_   /\/\/\     |_|

--valerie





Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:42:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kenny1414@aol.com
Subject: Re: What's the difference?

At 11:20 AM 8/12/97 -0300,
Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch (Matthias Gutfeldt) wrote:

 >in german there is only one word for "falten", but in
 >english there are at least three:
 >
 >fold
 >crease
 >pleat

In a message dated 97-08-12 10:59:36 EDT,
john@nombas.com (John Abbott) wrote:

> "Fold" is the most basic of the three,
> to double something back on itself.

>  A "crease" is the line created when you fold something.
> To crease something  is to fold it in such a way
> that a crease is formed. It's a stronger fold.
> If you pinch a fold together to make a firm line,
> you are creasing it.

> "Pleat" is to fold back and forth (i.e. with repeated
> mountain and valley  folds), like this /\/\/\/\/\.

"Fan-fold" is to pleat, as in a folded fan.

"Fold" a fan, is closing a fan.

"Fold" a hand of cards, means to close up a
fanned-out hand of cards.

"Fold" also means to quit bidding in a game
of Poker. In the card game Poker,
the players "fan" out their hands, to look at them,
and also to indicate that they are still in the game.
When a player drops out of the bidding,
s/he "folds" his/her hand, by closing the fan and
and setting the hand down,
indicating that  s/he has quit bidding..

Because of that usage. "Fold" has
secondary meanings of "Give Up"/"Quit"/
"Surrender"/"Yield"/"Collapse"/"Buckle"/"Fail".

"Fold" (noun), an enclosed pen for sheep or
cattle. (I don't know if this is a separate word,
or if this derives from the folded appearance
of a fence made by piling branches in a
zig-zag shape .)

"-fold", meaning layer or layered, as in
"Manifold", I think. This may be from the
Latin word "Folium" meaning leaf of a plant,
and later, "leaf" of a book, and so, a
"page" of something. Notice also,
"Exfoliate", to peel off in thin layers.

"Crease", to be wounded on the skin by a bullet,
e.g. "The bullet creased his scalp".

"Iron" or "Press", is to set a crease in cloth or
clothing, with the application of heat.

"Double", to fold something back on itself.
Also, "Double Up".

"Crumple", "Wad Up", to randomly fold by
crushing.

Aloha from Lansing, Michigan,

Kenneth Kawamura    kenny1414@aol.com





Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:18:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: Tim Rueger <trueger@crystal.cirrus.com>
Subject: new home for Tim's "Origami Insects" web page

Hi, all,

I've been more-or-less absent from the list for several months while I
was relocating to a new job.  More relevant (to the list, anyway) is the
relocation of my origami web pages to a new ISP.

The pages contain my annotated review of Robert Lang's "Origami Insects"
from a while back, as well as photos of other models I've folded.

I haven't added much content to the site recently, but I hope there are
people around who haven't had the chance to stop by before.

The new location is:

    http://www.io.com/~rueger/origami/

Please stop by and let me know what you think.  Thanks!

-Tim
--
Tim Rueger -- Crystal Semiconductor, Computer Products Division
Fax:   (512) 462-2723  Email: trueger@crystal.cirrus.com





Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:51:01 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kevin Kinney <kkinney@mail.carolinas.org>
Subject: A challenge!?

Hi folks,
        okay, I've been showing off some of the niftier creations lately,
and most of the lab is suitably impressed.  Except for our other post-doc.
        He wants to see "a working guillotine"  Does anyone happen to have
a pattern for one?

        This sounds like a job for Jeremy Shafer, from what I've heard of
him.

Kevin Kinney
kkinney@carolinas.org

Kevin Kinney
kkinney@carolinas.org





Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:02:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@pb.net>
Subject: L.I.F.E. Fold Fest

Sorry for the late posting;  I've been having a bit of trouble lately with the
list.

L.I.F.E. (Long Island Folding Enthusiasts) welcomes all folders who might be in
the New York area to join us this Sunday (August 17th) for an eight hour orgy
of origami.

We will be at the Plainview/Old Bethpage Public Library from 1:00P.M. till
9:00P.M. There is no charge and folders of all abilities are welcome. E-mail me
privately for directions, pick-up information at the Hicksville Railroad
Station or any other questions.

You dragon people, eat your hearts out,  you'll be missing Ros Joyce's
wonderful wet folding class.

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:37:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@aloha.net>
Subject: Re: Hawaii

Michael Montebello wrote:
>
> I don't know if this got to the whole list so I'm redoing it. Sorry if you get
> this twice! Thanks, Janet for your super list:) Any leads on used book stores?
> does not have to be in English.
> Thanks,
>  Hobbit In South Carolina
> ----------
> Hi!
> The Hobbit and Co. (Husband, Kid, Mother, and Dad) are adventuring to Hawaii,
> the middle of September. I'll of course be looking for paper, and books,
> including used books. Our plans not set. We will have a car and will be
> staying on the north shore of Oahu, we are planing to go to Hawaii to the
> Natl' Park. Any suggestions for O'stuff would be appreciated.

Hi Michael,
        Glad you wrote twice.  I didn't see the first letter.  Origami-l seems
to have been down for a couple of days; just back on today.  I assume
you're looking for origami books and paper.
Here's a list of stores but none of them have been consistent in keeping
a well stocked selection of origami books.
        BUNBUNDO (Japanese books as well as English but not the supplier of all
origami books it used to be) 655 Keeamoku St.  on the left side of the
street as you head toward "Ala Moana shoppping center" (largest shopping
center in Hawaii.  Look for Sam Sung Plaza and turn in to that alley.
        BORDERS- Honolulu- 1200 Ala Moana (located in Ward CENTER)
                Waipahu- 94-821 Lumiaina (located at Waikele Shopping
     center
closest to Northshore)
I haven't frequented any used bookstores so I can't recommend any to
you.

Paper store:
        MASAKO'S GIFTS & CRAFTS- 1259 S. Beretania (Best selection of  washi in
Hawaii, maybe US. Prices are also best I've seen in my  shopping in US.

        HAKUBUNDO- 100 N. Beretania (located in the Chinese Cultural   center.
Best selection and prices for ordinary origami paper.   They have some
washi but not as good as Masako's)
 You can try calling me once you get here but I'll also be on vacation
from Aug 24 to Sept. 15.  My phone #545-1068.
<http://www.gotomymall.com/hawaii/origami/>
Origami by Jan website...the Fodor folder





Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 01:11:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: schary@VNET.IBM.COM
Subject: ORIGAMI-L digest 810

*** Reply to note of 08/13/97 14:06
From: Sreenath Chary
    IBM Australia,FF11,
    55 Coonara Avenue,West Pennant Hills,NSW 2125
Subject: Papaer Art - I, CD
Hi,
  I came across a CDRom called 'Paper Art Volume I'. The cover says
that it has Origami models and covers history of folding, paprt types
and even wet folding techniques. The cover also has pictures of a
prehistoric creature a snail etc. DOes anybody know how many models
are in this CD, what level of complexity etc?

Thanks,

Regards,
Sreenath
VNET ID: SYDVM1(SREENATH) (Ph : 66-2-502-1118/1399)
Internet:SChary@vnet.ibm.com





Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 01:32:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: jtweres@lucent.com
Subject: new failed origami term

Mike Kanarek writes:

> Franklin Street Floders meet on the second saturday of eack month at the
                    /\
                   ||
                   ============ for any that remember
                                the "failed origami" thread and list
                           that i started and maintain

                           i think that Mike inadvertently added a new one
                           and "I LIKE IT"

                           it can be used as a noun, verb, adverb, etc.

                           "hey, that's a great Floder you have there!"

                           "you sure did Floder that Lang Ant!"

                           "that must be a Floder Fuse Modular!"

                           feel free to contribute more grammar examples
                           of this great new term for "failed origami"

p.s. i hope that Mike does not feel that i am making fun of him
     because that's not my intention
     but providence has provided us with a great new word

   -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-/// MAKE THINGS HAPPEN \\\-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
 -=-= jack thomas weres                            jtweres@lucent.com  =-=-





Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 01:39:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: Kirschenbaum's Biplane II

At 10:48 AM 8/6/97 -0300, JacAlArt@aol.com wrote:

>Help! How the heck do you do step 34 (pg. 116) in the Annual Collection '97
>for this thing?! Is there anyway to pre-crease these mountains and valleys?

I never saw any obvious way of precreasing this. The way to view the
interior of this head-on view is to look at the two large diamond shapes
(the shape of a fish base), that are connected at the bottom. For the sake
of simplicity, I am only going to focus on one diamond shape (although both
have to collapse simultaneously). First crease a valley fold that runs from
corner to corner. With this in place, the mountain folds are easier to
locate (they are angle bisectors between the valley fold, and the creases
that define the top of the diamond shape). I bring the vally fold crease to
lie along the aforementioned creases (that define the top of the diamond).
The model fill flatten easily at this point. You will notice in step 37,
the diagram shows verical folded edges running along the center. These
edges are the valley folds that we just made. Good luck with the rest of a
model; it has a lot of neat stuff going on (still can not fly too well
though).

Marc





Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 03:27:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jean-Jerome CASALONGA <jjerome.casalonga@hol.fr>
Subject: John Montroll is AN ALIEN ! !

               Hello everyone,

        Some of you might know me, some might have heard of me, and very few of
you might don't know at all who I am.  So, let me introduce me :
I'M JEAN-JEROME CASALONGA, THE MAD CORSICAN FOLDER.

But let me come back to the point of this mail : I will prove that John
MONTROLL is an alien ! !

Have you ever wondered how one human could create such complicated models ?
 Have you ever wondered how he suddently appeared on the Origami world with
his book "Origami for the Enthusiast".  No one has ever heard of him before
and, "POP !", out of nowhere, here is a book that completely revolutionize
the origami technique.

        After a long and difficult search, I can now tell the naked truth.  John
MONTROLL is an alien that was sent on Earth to try to see if people of his
kind could live on our beautifull and beloved planet.  I can now say that
Mr Montroll (if this is his real name) used his Origami books to
communicate with his fellow aliens.  In fact, if you look at one of his
origami diagrams, you can see that valley folds are letter "A", montain
folds are letter "E", sink folds are letter "G", rabbit ear is letter "P",
and double rabbit ear is letter "W".  Now you understand why there is so
many weird moves on Montroll's models (by the way : a closed sink is for
letter "V").

        I cannot say anymore now...   I'm not afraid for me, but I'm afraid for
Pipo (Pipo is by little goldfish).  I'm sure Montroll will try to hurt
Pipo.  But let me warn you, John (if this is your real name) : You touch a
hair of my sweey Pipo, and you're dead meat ! ! !

        By the way : one more proof that J. Montroll is NOT human : he was born
close to the place were the Roswell UFO crashed.  Talk about a coincidence
! !

        Next time : WHAT ABOUT YOSHIZAWA ? .....

Stay connected.
                                   JJ CASALONGA





Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 04:12:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: What's the difference?

Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch> sez

>fold

Verb - to fold paper, noun - a fold in the paper

>crease

Verb - to crease paper (implies the same as to fold) Noun - the result
of making a fold in paper. Folding implies control whereas creasing has
a "random" feel to it, to my ears anyway!

>pleat

To fold the paper using (usually) parallel creases such that the paper
overlaps itself forming a double layer.

all the best,

Nick Robinson

email           nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with RealAudio clips!





Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 05:01:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: jaelle <jaelle1@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: John Montroll is AN ALIEN ! !

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
--------------B45B9C00FA04CCFC7E297D23

This is not meant to flame  but to state a personal opinion in response
to what I found offensive.

I don't know you  ... never heard of you ... and not sure I want to!
Sorry ... I have my opinions as everyone does and this letter was very
silly and for me had absolutely no value  even as bad taste humor. I
learned only one thing. You seem to not like John Montroll and next you
will make simple silly statements about some one else.

Personally I find it childish ... I never apologize for my feelings. I
prefer to LEARN here not read asinine remarks.

I will apologize to the rest of the people on the list for my out burst.
And thank you all for teaching me much here.

jaelle

Jean-Jerome CASALONGA wrote:

>                 Hello everyone,
>
>         Some of you might know me, some might have heard of me, and
> very few of
> you might don't know at all who I am.  So, let me introduce me :
> I'M JEAN-JEROME CASALONGA, THE MAD CORSICAN FOLDER.
>
> But let me come back to the point of this mail : I will prove that
> John
> MONTROLL is an alien ! !
>
> Have you ever wondered how one human could create such complicated
> models ?
>  Have you ever wondered how he suddently appeared on the Origami world
> with
> his book "Origami for the Enthusiast".  No one has ever heard of him
> before
> and, "POP !", out of nowhere, here is a book that completely
> revolutionize
> the origami technique.
>
>         After a long and difficult search, I can now tell the naked
> truth.  John
> MONTROLL is an alien that was sent on Earth to try to see if people of
> his
> kind could live on our beautifull and beloved planet.  I can now say
> that
> Mr Montroll (if this is his real name) used his Origami books to
> communicate with his fellow aliens.  In fact, if you look at one of
> his
> origami diagrams, you can see that valley folds are letter "A",
> montain
> folds are letter "E", sink folds are letter "G", rabbit ear is letter
> "P",
> and double rabbit ear is letter "W".  Now you understand why there is
> so
> many weird moves on Montroll's models (by the way : a closed sink is
> for
> letter "V").
>
>         I cannot say anymore now...   I'm not afraid for me, but I'm
> afraid for
> Pipo (Pipo is by little goldfish).  I'm sure Montroll will try to hurt
>
> Pipo.  But let me warn you, John (if this is your real name) : You
> touch a
> hair of my sweey Pipo, and you're dead meat ! ! !
>
>         By the way : one more proof that J. Montroll is NOT human : he
> was born
> close to the place were the Roswell UFO crashed.  Talk about a
> coincidence
> ! !
>
>         Next time : WHAT ABOUT YOSHIZAWA ? .....
>
> Stay connected.
>                                                         JJ CASALONGA

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 08:33:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: John Montroll is AN ALIEN ! !

>
> This is not meant to flame  but to state a personal opinion in response
> to what I found offensive.

As long as you are stating your personal opinion, I may as well post mine.

>
> I don't know you  ... never heard of you ... and not sure I want to!
> Sorry ... I have my opinions as everyone does and this letter was very
> silly and for me had absolutely no value  even as bad taste humor. I
> learned only one thing. You seem to not like John Montroll and next you
> will make simple silly statements about some one else.
>
I think that the writer of this message feels that John is a great
creator of origami  and does like him!

> Personally I find it childish ... I never apologize for my feelings. I
> prefer to LEARN here not read asinine remarks.
>
> I will apologize to the rest of the people on the list for my out burst.
> And thank you all for teaching me much here.
>
It would be nice if you continue apologising for yourself in the future if
you wish, and for the rest of the people, but please do not include me in
your apologies.
Individuals have different personalities and different senses of humor.
Your message sounds as silly to me as if one would post a message here
denigrating others for folding childish modulars made out of business cards
that require only 3 or 4 simple folds.

I have met John Montroll on many occasions and think he would take the above
message in the spirit that it was intended. Perhaps he will respond, if he
is still a member or this list.

---
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:37:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Diagrams for Bird of Prey  (was:Re: Dragons And The Like)

Cathy Palmer-Lister wrote:
>         Do you mean the BoP as in Klingon?  If so I have made them by
> modifying one of John Montroll's dinosaurs.  I am a dreadful diagrammer, and
> so my BoPs never quite come out the same way twice.

How 'bout one of the expert diagrammers here makes the diagrams for
this model? I am sure a lot of Origami&SF fans would love to have
a BoP, and it could get a bit expensive if you have to keep sending
the models all over the place (I'd want one too!).

Matthias, preying on paper birds...





Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:43:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: rick@tridelta.com (Rick Bissell)
Subject: Re: new failed origami term

At 01:32 AM 8/13/97, jtweres@lucent.com wrote:

> feel free to contribute more grammar examples
> of this great new term for "failed origami"

My repeated attempts to perform the closed sink fold in step 84 totally
flodered the model.

   -- Rick





Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:54:43 -0300 (ADT)
From: Eric Andersen <ema@techhouse.cis.brown.edu>
Subject: Re: John Montroll is AN ALIEN ! !

On Wed, 13 Aug 1997, jaelle wrote:

> I don't know you  ... never heard of you ... and not sure I want to!
> Sorry ... I have my opinions as everyone does and this letter was very
> silly and for me had absolutely no value  even as bad taste humor. I
> learned only one thing. You seem to not like John Montroll and next you
> will make simple silly statements about some one else.

Hi jaelle, JJ Casalonga is well-known folder with a great sense of humor.

What's wrong with being childish? Besides, we all know that John Montroll
isn't an alien; with his talent, he must come from a completely different
universe!

-Eric  :-P
origami@brown.edu

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:01:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: (NO): Re: John Montroll is AN ALIEN ! !

Jean-Jerome CASALONGA wrote:
> But let me come back to the point of this mail : I will prove that John
> MONTROLL is an alien ! !

At least now I know who ate Commander Keen's babysitter...

Matthias, jump&running...





Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:02:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Re: Self-locking Folds

Kristine Tomlinson wrote:
> Robert, do you have any favorite self-/interlocking models?

I'm not Robert, but I hope you don't mind my reply :-).
Another self-locking model is the (or should I say "a")
traditional turtle as presented in Biddle's "New Origami".
Starts from the waterbomb base.
Speaking of traditional, is there a book somewhere with
traditional models?

Matthias, looking for self-locking diapers...





Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:06:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: jeffry kerwood <jkjeff@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: tesselations

Helena. Your tessellations are beautiful. Thank you for sharing them
with us. I hope you'll have time to diagrammed them.

Jeff Kerwood (JKJEFF@HOTMAIL.COM)

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>From: Helena Verrill <helena@mast.queensu.ca>
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>Hello All,
>
>I emailed about tesselations a few weeks ago; I've been too busy since
>then to do all the things I want to do, but I do have access to a
scanner
>now, so although I don't have time to do diagrams for tesselations,
>I did just put some images up at the following web page:
>http://www.mast.queensu.ca/~helena/origami/tesselations/hira.htm
>I've not linked to this page from any of my other pages yet, and
>I might wait until it's improved, but thought I'd let anyone
>interested know here.
>Helena
>helena@mast.queensu.ca

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:36:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: Brett Askinazi <brett@hagerhinge.com>
Subject: RE: Help, I need foil

I bought some artist's foil that I thought was to thick, but after I
started working with it I can see the advantages.  I was able to complete a
model that I had been working on for awhile.

I like the finished product, although it's a little on the bulky side.
 It's an insect from Lang's book and thinner foil would have made it look a
little more graceful, although harder to fold.

Brett

-----Original Message-----
From:   Marc Kirschenbaum [SMTP:marckrsh@pipeline.com]
Sent:   Tuesday, August 12, 1997 7:23 AM
To:     Multiple recipients of list
Subject:        Re: Help, I need foil

Perhaps this is not the answer you are looking for, but I am really curious
as to why certain foil-backers srtive to get the thinnest foil? Almost
inavriably, I have found that the thicker varieties of foil work better
(after all it is the foil that gives the material most of it's foldeng
properties). In fact, for models that have tick backing paper and/or are
few layers thick, I will use multiple layers of foil. the most layers so
far has been four. You get a solidity and hardness that is comprable to
much of the wetfolded work out there.

If for whatever reason you really do want thin foil, I hope you are aware
that the grocery store variety comes in two thicknesses (more often thinner
when in the 12inch width). perhaps this is what you want. If you really
want thin, you just might be satisfied with the commercially available foil
paper (whose foil content borders on anemic). With such paper, you can
decorate the wite side in a multitude of ways (people like Mark Kennedy
have had woderful results with this). Good luck.
Marc





Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 11:50:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: MSPARKS@pinkertons.com (MATTHEW SPARKS 05-025)
Subject: RE: new failed origami term

I tried to crease the fold and I ended up ceraseing the flod.
matt

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From:  origami-l[SMTP:origami-l@nstn.ca]
Sent:  Wednesday, August 13, 1997 5:47 AM
To:  Multiple recipients of list
Subject:  Re: new failed origami term

At 01:32 AM 8/13/97, jtweres@lucent.com wrote:

> feel free to contribute more grammar examples
> of this great new term for "failed origami"

My repeated attempts to perform the closed sink fold in step 84 totally
flodered the model.

   -- Rick





Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 12:23:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: LapinPub@aol.com
Subject: Re: Help, I need foil

I've also done a lot of foil-backed work.  Most of my designing is done using

foil-backed kami, and most of my "good" work is done with foil-backed
mulberry paper.  It is trye that "Reynolds Wrap" does not work, as it is too
thick.  I've found that the "generic" brands of foil tend to be the thinner
type.  I live in Maryland and buy "Giant" brand foil from the local grocery
store "Giant Foods."  Also, what are you doing to backcoat?  The problem may
be that the glue is too thick.  I've found that the only fixative that works
is "Scotch brand Spray on adhesive" from 3M.  It's basically scotch tape in a
can and can be found in any craft store.  Other brands, which are of
inferrior quality do not work nearly as well.

Best of luck...J.C. Nolan





Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 12:39:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: hull@MATH.URI.EDU
Subject: Mr. Casalonga is a Nutter Butter Cookie

I feel the pressing need to WELCOME Jean-Jerome Casalonga, the
Mad Corsican Folder, the "read it quick!!" grand puba, to our
esteemed list.  I also feel the need to point out to him that,
since he is new to the list, he may not know that we all painstakingly
take care to keep all origami-l messages in accordance with the
standards set in the Chicago Manual of Style, and when discussing
issues follow the format of Roger's Rules of Order.  E.g., instead
of writing "John Montroll is AN ALIEN ! !", Mr. Casalonga should
have written, "Point of order, Mr. Chairperson, concerning Mr. John
Montroll's terran citizenship."  Then there would have been
no confusion.

----- Tom "Ia! h'ehye-n'grkdl'lh Y'bthnk!" Hull
