




Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 10:32:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: Aurora Lozada <alozada@notes.cc.bellcore.com>
Subject: Kawasaki Rose

After several frustrations and papers I finally managed to make the Kawasaki
rose.  I'm usually good at following diagrams and intructions.  However, this
was the most difficult one I've tried (so far!!).

For those who have tried it, I would like to know what kind of paper you use to
make it look like the picture on the web site ( I forgot which one).  The
regular origami paper does not stay tucked in underneath and the petals do not
stay where they should be.  Do you use duo colored paper or one sided colored
paper?  What is the best size paper to use?

In regards to selling vs sharing.  I do lots of crafts such as needlepoint,
cross stitching, knitting, crocheting, etc. and I dabbled in painting and now
Origami.  People who comes to my house (most of my wall decorations are my
creations) want to buy my stuff and I felt funny about it. I don't like to sell
stuff, since that would be work and not a hobby.  Instead I gave them as
gifts.  In regards to Origami (just started making them) I think I feel the
same way.  Just my own peculiar way.  The same way as teaching dances, I do it
voluntarily.





Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 12:46:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Dennis Brannon <brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com>
Subject: RE: Japanese Mulberry paper advantages?

Thanks for all the info on Mulberry paper!  I been out sick with a cold, so I'm
     a bit late in replying.

My experience with tissue foil was very different.  I've never had the color
     rub off, nor noticed
any fading.  hmmm...I just checked an insect model I folded two years ago with
     green tissue foil.
and still looks same as the day I folded it.  Most of my tissue paper was
     bought at chain drug
stores (Osco), chain card stores (Hallmark), or flea markets here in Eastern
     Massachusetts.

Thanks for the warning about "Seidenpapier".  I had a similar experience with
     colored cellophane
glued to foil. The first roll I tried worked great - I folded a glittering ruby
     red insect from it.
No red rubbed off and it was waterproof so I could put it in with plants.  So I
     bought a bunch of
colors and ended up with purple and green fingers....sigh...  The "Easter"
     colors - purple, green,
pink, and yellow - were 2 for a $1 and rubbed right off.  The more expensive
     Hallmark cellophane
didn't rub off, but was only available in green (leftover from Christmas).

I've never seen mulberry paper that I recognized, but I did get to a handmade
     paper store in
Porter Square.  My problem was that I couldn't see any reason to fold out of
     thick paper with
bits of things in it.  It wouldn't look like an animal.

Thanks for the pointers to using wallpaper paste and coloring it.  I'll have to
     give that a try.

Sebastian posted:
>There are many different types of mulberry paper to be found, with or
>without visible fibers, colored or not, with speckles, and so on. Just
>look around you, in art supply stores, as gift wrapping paper, or such
I hadn't realized there was such a variety.  When I went looking a few years
     ago, all I could
find pictures of on the web were sheets of white with leaves or other stuff in
     it.

pat slider posted:
>In the states there is a chain of import stores called CostPlus that
>sells packages of "mulberry tissue paper" for less than $2 a package.
>Can't remember how many sheets, at least 2 but possibly 4 32" x 20"
>sheets.
I hadn't considered hunting in import stores...There's only four Cost Plus
     stores in MA,
and they are all over an hour's drive away.  But one is right next to where
     I'll be visiting in
a few weeks.  I'll check it out - thanks!
I've tried the Pier One Imports chain stores without success.

>You can also find this online  at fascinating-folds.com....mulberry
>paper being equal to Thai unryu paper. I've also gotten sheets of
>unryu from Dick Blick. Once again you can find a lot of possible
>international sources at Janet Hamilton's page.
Thai unryu = mulberry.  Now its starting to make sense 8^).

Sounds like I need to do some shopping for interesting papers to try.
Japanese rice paper, Thai unryu, different kinds of mulberry, etc...

Thanks for your help,
dennis

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Ayer, Massachusetts USA ("the states")





Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 13:52:33 -0300 (ADT)
From: MSPARKS@pinkertons.com (MATTHEW SPARKS 05-025)
Subject: RE: I'm new!

Dear

12 years old, a male caucasian, and living in painesville, Ohio.

I looked in the archives for when I first joined the list back in Feb   1994
 and found this.

Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 12:22:44 AST
From: makaala647@aol.com
Subject: The buck Book

A few hundred letters ago I introduced myself and that I liked folding   money,
I mentioned the buck Book as a good source.
Someone asked for the info so here it is.
The buck Book
All sorts of things to do with a dollar besides spend it
By Anne Akers Johnson
Published by Klutz Press, Palo Alto, CA.
       (these are the people who came out with "juggling for the complete
klutz"  and such")
These books are  available at most books stores. if not I'm sure it is
orderable.
ISBN 1-878257-51-X

Klutz Press
2121 Staunton Court
Palo Alto, CA 94306
(415) 857-0888

The book includes a real Dollar bill
folds include a bow tie, a dollar ring
and a dimein ring (I had to think about that)
a frog, an elephant and a peacock.

Lots of money trivia, and the fold diagrams are execellent, Life size and   the
detail is shown
on the folded bills so you can use those as reference points, every stage   of
a fold is laid out
so they are quick and easy to do. even the peacock.  For money folders,   this
book
rates an 8+ its only failing is it doesn't have more stuff.

Matt Sparks

There are a couple bill folds in the archives @

http://www.rug.nl/rugcis/rc/ftp/origami/
I just folded the dollar sign ($) from a dollar bill diagramed here.
very nice.

There is a neat $bill crab in Origami from angelfish to zen by Peter   Engel
also a very simple bow tie.

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 14:09:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: MSPARKS@pinkertons.com (MATTHEW SPARKS 05-025)
Subject: mulberry paper

"To think that I saw it on mulberry street"

pat slider posted:
>In the states there is a chain of import stores called CostPlus that
>sells packages of "mulberry tissue paper" for less than $2 a package.
>Can't remember how many sheets, at least 2 but possibly 4 32" x 20"
>sheets.

Well I have been looking for mulberry paper ever since Joseph Wu sent me   a K.
     Rose out of mulberry paper. The difference in the texture between   his
     fold and mine was amazing, his looked so lifelike  mine looked like
     something you pull out of the xer
Never ever thought to look at CostPlus. went down right after I read your
     post and there it is right by the front door. $1.49 for 2 sheets  20x30
     (which can make 12 10" squares. $1.99 for paper with little gold flecks
     and ribbons imbedded into it. I
What amazed me about this paper is even though it looks so coarse (with   all
     the texture.) it is very thin and crisp.
so I folded a rose and compared it to josephs, and now I have to admit   there
     is more to folding than the paper. but I'm getting better.

next I am going to laminate the paper against foil. and see what happens.

Matthew Makaala Sparks                          Desk (818) 380-8712
Senior Technical Support Specialist             Fax  (818) 380-8677
Pinkerton Security & Investigation Services
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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 14:17:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: MSPARKS@pinkertons.com (MATTHEW SPARKS 05-025)
Subject: RE: Making vs. buying vs. teaching

Whatever you guys decide,

I will continue to give my folds away as long as someone wants them.

but If people actively sell origami successfully, then great! cheers for   them.

Actually that would kind of "raise the value" of the gifts I am giving.

Matthew Makaala Sparks                          Desk (818) 380-8712
Senior Technical Support Specialist             Fax  (818) 380-8677
Pinkerton Security & Investigation Services
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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 14:24:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@aloha.net>
Subject: Re: Making vs. buying vs. teaching

Nick Robinson wrote:
>
> Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@aloha.net> sez
>
> >Nick, Hi,   I was really thinking of models you've already made.  I
> >thought you were looking for an outlet to sell your models.
>
> Not sure where you got that idea, but it's not something I generally do.
> Most of my work is simple enough for people to fold themselves. I
> haven't really got any "jaw-droppers" ;)
>
> all the best,
>
> Nick Robinson
>
> personal email  nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
> homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
> BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
> RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with real Audio clips!

All righty, I think someone mentioned you made neat stuff. Thanks
anyway.      Jan Fodor





Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 14:34:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: Devin McPherson <devmc@oeonline.com>
Subject: Re: New folding diagrams

Perry Bailey wrote:

> Devin McPherson wrote:
> >
> > Dino Andreozzi wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > > there is a couple of new folding diagrams on my home page.
> > > The URL is:
> > > http://hem.passagen.se/foldiag.html
> > > Take for yourself. This is *sharing* :-)
> > Thanks for sharing a 404 error.;-)
>
> Try this for Dinos' page
> > http://hem.passagen.se/dion/
> At any rate it works when I use it.
> Perry
> --
> >From pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net

Ah hah! you forgot to include the .../dion/ directory in the first page
address.

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 17:56:31 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Archives...

Valerie Vann wrote:
> I would suggest trying it with "copyright". There
> has been extensive, exhaustive discussion over the
> years on the the origami-L about copyright issues
> as related to origami, about art vs craft, etc. etc.

Hey! Let us newbies have some phun too! <g>

There are 298 messages matching the keyword
"copyright". You don't expect us to read all this
before we even think of talking about copyright, do you?

Matthias, rehashing past subjects...





Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 18:00:41 -0300 (ADT)
From: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Marius Kirsch)
Subject: RE: Japanese Mulberry paper advantages?

On Mon, 30 Jun 1997, Dennis Brannon wrote:

> My experience with tissue foil was very different.  I've never had the color
> rub off, nor noticed any fading.

There also seems to be a slight confusion between tissue in the USA and
"Seidenpaper" (=tissue paper) in Germany. For example, my Kenneway (Complete
Origami) says about "Seidenpapier": "In many drugstores and large supermarkets
you can buy boxes with tissue in different colors." But that's not the stuff I
use. The tissue paper I use is sold in packets with 5-10 sheets, each 50x70cm
large. It is used for decorating, for making artificial flowers, etc. It is
not at all like the stuff in the photo in "Complete Origami", which is as
of you pulled the different layers of a serviette or a handkerchief. My
tissue paper is rather like a very thin kind of regular paper.

> I've never seen mulberry paper that I recognized, but I did get to a
> handmade paper store in Porter Square.  My problem was that I couldn't see
> any reason to fold out of thick paper with bits of things in it.  It
> wouldn't look like an animal.

There are several kinds of mulberry paper. There is one very think kind with
flowers and things in it, which is used for cards etc. This is not suitable for
folding. But there are also kinds that are a little thicker that tissue,
without stuff in it, but with thick fibers that you can see shining through.

> I hadn't realized there was such a variety.  When I went looking a few years
> ago, all I could find pictures of on the web were sheets of white with
> leaves or other stuff in it.

That's the problem with finding that stuff. There's quite s lot of it around,
but it is usually not advertised as mulberry paper or washi or something
else.

> Thai unryu = mulberry.  Now its starting to make sense 8^).

And washi = mulberry and all of the 20+ other kinds of Japanese paper (which
all have different name I can never remember) also = mulberry.

Yours, Sebastian               sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de,skirsch@t-online.de





Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 18:07:07 -0300 (ADT)
From: pat slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: Re: costPus paper

> pat slider posted:
> >In the states there is a chain of import stores called CostPlus that
> >sells packages of "mulberry tissue paper" for less than $2 a package.
> >Can't remember how many sheets, at least 2 but possibly 4 32" x 20"
> >sheets.
>
> Well I have been looking for mulberry paper ever since Joseph Wu sent me   a
     K. Rose out of mulberry paper. The difference in the texture between   his
     fold and mine was amazing, his looked so lifeli> Never ever thought to
     look at CostPlus. went down r
ight after I read your   post and there it is right by the front door. $1.49
     for 2 sheets  20x30   (which can make 12 10" squares. $1.99 for paper w>
     What amazed me about this paper is even though it looks so coarse (with
     all the texture.) it is very t
hin and crisp.
> so I folded a rose and compared it to josephs, and now I have to admit
     there is more to folding than the paper. but I'm getting better.
>
> next I am going to laminate the paper against foil. and see what happens.

I would add that CostPlus also has some wonderful giftwrap sometimes.
Be sure to check there around Christmas especially. I've gotten some
wonderful decorative and colored kraft paper from Germany there.
(This stuff is only colored/decorated on one side. The underside is
the typical ribbed brown.)

In fact, I just saw what appears to be the same paper (green kraft)
in the Fuse "Gift Box" title. Sigh. Seems like whenever I think I am
being really creative I find someone has done it already.

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 19:12:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: Wayne Fluharty <wflu@hotmail.com>
Subject: It ain't THAT bad...

Since I can't remebering it ever being said...
And speaking of bad puns, I remember seeing a t-shirt one time that said
"I fold under pressure". Anybody else have any one-liners dealing with
origami?

Flu (Wayne Fluharty)
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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 19:32:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: Dennis Brannon <brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com>
Subject: RE: Japanese Mulberry paper advantages?

>There also seems to be a slight confusion between tissue in the USA and
>"Seidenpaper" (=tissue paper) in Germany. For example, my Kenneway (Complete
>Origami) says about "Seidenpapier": "In many drugstores and large supermarkets
>you can buy boxes with tissue in different colors." But that's not the stuff I
>use. The tissue paper I use is sold in packets with 5-10 sheets, each 50x70cm
>large. It is used for decorating, for making artificial flowers, etc. It is
>not at all like the stuff in the photo in "Complete Origami", which is as
>of you pulled the different layers of a serviette or a handkerchief. My
>tissue paper is rather like a very thin kind of regular paper.

I understood what you meant from the sizes you said you used.  Two misleading
books references would sure confuse a lot of people.

Tissue is an ambiguous term in the USA.  "Tissue" is what you sneeze into and
     is usually
sold in boxes in drug stores and supermarkets.  "Tissue paper" is for gift
     wrapping
and is usually found where wrapping paper is being sold - drug stores,
     supermarkets,
and card and gift shops.  The tissue paper I use is sold in packets with
     several large sheets
folded up.  I've also seen a few places in shopping malls where they sell it as
     single
large unfolded sheets.

> Thai unryu = mulberry.  Now its starting to make sense 8^).
>>And washi = mulberry and all of the 20+ other kinds of Japanese paper (which
>>all have different name I can never remember) also = mulberry.

That's a relief.  I can't remember the names either.  So chances are any fuzzy
     looking
paper I'm likely to encounter is probably mulberry.  But I should look for the
     tissue thin
kind, preferably white, so I can color it later with my choice of wallpaper
     paste mixed with paint.

thanks,
dennis

brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com





Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 21:03:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Re: It ain't THAT bad...

Dear Wayne:

It's been done, about a year ago.  Can't remember what the name of the
subject line was though, so you're kind of on your own with the archives.

On 07:13 PM 6/30/97 -0300, Wayne Fluharty wrote:
>Since I can't remebering it ever being said...
>
>To all "newbies" on the mailing list,
>   "Welcome to the fold" (rim shot)
>
>And speaking of bad puns, I remember seeing a t-shirt one time that said
>"I fold under pressure". Anybody else have any one-liners dealing with
>origami?
>
>Flu (Wayne Fluharty)
>mailto:wflu@hotmail.com
>
>
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>

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 22:50:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: reeds@openix.com (Reeds family)
Subject: How to reuse those badgeholders from OUSA convention

Hey, OUSA convention planners--Did you do this on purpose?  3 x 3 paper,
not to mention little modules and models,  fit perfectly in my OUSA plastic
badgeholder. I'm keeping mine in my backpack and will happily remember a
wonderful weekend everytime I pull out the stash of paper to fold on the
run.

Thank you everyone! Forget the glitches--remember all the fun!
Karen
reeds@openix.com





Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 23:33:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mike and Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Yoshizawa Books & Folding/Selling

Valerie Vann wrote:
> Back to Yoshizawa: The diagrams also in my opinion tend
> to be somewhat suggestive and sketchy, and don't include
> the shaping and rounding that make his so realistic. He
> also seems to use heavy perhaps handmade paper that stands
> up to a lot of shaping and manipulation.

I was lucky enough to get into one of the 4 classes Yoshizawa taught at
the OUSA convention.  I took the Penguin/Seahorse class.  We learned a
simple penguin, then a more involved one out of kami, then a variation
out of special paper that had been specially prepared for Yoshizawa.  It
was somewhat thick, soft, and fuzzy, and did lend itself to shaping.
Unfortunately, the class was over-filled, and we ran out of time to fold
the seahorse, but instead Yoshizawa demonstrated the fold and gave us
diagrams and more specially prepared paper.  It was as interesting to
watch him fold as to have him teach.  I hope my hands are so steady when
I am his age (I don't think they are that steady now!).  He spent a lot
of time ensuring edges matched perfectly, and sliding folds and layers
to  give the result he wanted.

It was also interesting to watch the part his wife took in his art.  She
seemed to be responsible for paper preparation, model storage, and was
all over the classroom helping people fold.  She seems to be an
accomplished folder in her own right.  Also, when Yoshizawa was
demonstrating the seahorse, she kept making adjustments on the model so
it would more closely resemble the diagrams we were being given.
Yoshizawa finished the model with a kind of spiral to the tail, and she
re-arranged the folds to be the "J" shape in the diagrams.

Yoshizawa also brought 20 copies of Sosaku Origami with him (this book
is supposedly out of print).  I bought a copy and asked him to autograph
it (Well, actually Phyliss Meth asked him for me).  He didn't like any
of the pens we offered him and insisted on using his pen.  His
translator explained that he considers his signature to be his face, and
it had to look right.

Maybe I'll write more about the convention when I catch up on mesages.

Janet Hamilton

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Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 11:53:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Devin McPherson <devmc@oeonline.com>
Subject: Re: Are complex models sculpturesque?

Zachary Brown wrote:

> My own opinion about this, is that origami has reached a stage where
> complexity can be substituted for creativity, in other words any
> subject
> can be created using standardizable techniques. If the origami
> community
> is going to start rejecting models as not being "true" origami, that
> will
> be the basis of their rejection, in my opinion. I can see a not too
> distant future, where people will discount origami creations, no
> matter
> how intricate, on the basis of the triviality of their design. "Oh,
> that's
> not really origami, see it relies on complexity."

Are you saying that origami is strictly a minimalist art?

> I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing. I do believe that in
> many
> cases inventors choose complex methods because it makes the design
> easier
> to come up with.

Of course adding ten steps is much easier than using one ;-)

> But I do hope that the masters of today will start striving to create
> the
> same models using simpler means. Maybe it is already happening. And
> maybe
> I am already off the mark when I say there is too much gratuitous
> complexity. Origami is changing rapidly.

When I was in 6th grade I knew 150 traditional models by heart, I got
tired of it and forgot almost all of them. The creation of realism
through complexity created, for me, a challenge to the accomplished
adult folder.
This may not be the origami of old but it is the origami of today. I
applaud Montroll and Lang and others like them who have given seasoned
folders a new level of aspiration.

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Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 11:57:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: Dennis Brannon <brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com>
Subject: RE: Paper for Rose

Hi Aurora,

>I need help on this.  If I buy this tissue paper (the name of the store is not
>familiar to me - CostPlus - what is the counterpart in USA), will this be the

Cost Plus is a USA chain of import stores.  The name wasn't familiar to me
     either,
until I remembered visiting one over 2 years ago near my parents home.
I suspect its a west coast based chain.  The pointer to it was for mulberry
     paper,
but they also sell gift wrap and tissue paper at discounted prices.
and search for any business called "Cost Plus" in your state.

>inside or outside of the rose?  Is the foil better to be the outside?  If the
>tissue comes in white only and will be the outside of the rose can you color
>this?  You indicated using paint, would this peel off?

Foil should be on the inside, since roses in nature don't look like aluminum
     foil,
unless you want a silver colored rose.  Mulberry paper comes in a variety of
colors.  Because of color rubbing off problems in the past, Sebastian likes
to mix wallpaper paste with some paint, and then brush it onto white mulberry
     paper
to color it.  I suspect he's using it more as a dye than a paint so that it
     won't peel off.
One of the common problems in origami is finding the right colored paper for the
model you want to fold.  For example, image trying to find paper the color of a
     moose.
By mixing his own colors he can get exactly the color he wants.

Let me try to clear up some of the confusion.

>I'm still confused on what kind of tissue paper but I'll try and look at
>different Hallmark stores and see what I could find.
That will make it easier.  Look next to the gift wrap for plastic wrapped
     packages
labeled as tissue paper.  There should be several colors available.  Pick the
     one
you would like to make a rose out of.   Avoid anything called mylar (shiny
     stuff).
Get some aluminum foil.  I usually buy whatever brand is cheapest in the
     supermarket
since it will be hidden from view in the folded model.
Get some spray glue - available from Craft or Automotive departments of the
big department store chains like K-Mart or Wal Mart.

There are various techniques to getting a thin sheet of paper glued to a sheet
of foil.  You'll have to experiment to find out what works best for you.

Find a well ventilated area free of flying grit and cats.  Tear off about a
     foot long
piece of foil, place it flat on a surface protected by spread out newspapers,
and spray it evenly with a light coat of glue.

Then take a sheet of tissue paper and try to place it over top of the foil.
If it lands flat the first time, I'd be truly amazed.  But just think of the
     creases
as giving the paper character...and making each sheet unique.  Let it dry
overnight.  Then trim off the excess tissue paper around the edges.

Now you have to decide if the model you will fold would look bad if foil was
     visible.
For lots of models - crane, rose, dragon, etc. only the colored side shows,
so you can start cutting squares and begin folding.  For the other models that
depend on duo colors (penguins) or if you don't want any foil showing, you can
glue another sheet off tissue paper to the other side of the foil.  Allow that
     to dry
overnight, then cut and fold.

I got into making tissue foil when I started folding insects because plain paper
won't let you compress the insect legs thin enough.

Sebastian's wallpaper paste + paint + white mulberry paper + foil is ALOT of
work to go through to get "paper" to fold.  But he seems to have been forced to
     do
that because with German tissue paper, the color rubs off on your fingers.
Fortunately, we don't have that problem here in the US.  So the only reason
I can see for going through all the grief is to just get a textured look.  But
     you
could also create your own textured look by dropping bits of things on the foil
like leaves, flowers, etc., then more glue, then the tissue.  Or use fabric
     instead
of tissue paper to get a textured look.  I've even folded with velvet glued to
     foil
for dragon models.

I'd never heard of mixing wallpaper paste with paint to color thin paper before.
I'll have to give that a try.  Finding natural colors like brown in tissue paper
is nearly impossible.

good luck,
dennis





Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 12:13:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: gibberish and a request

Carol,

At 21.13 29/6/1997 -0300, you wrote:

>Got an attachment that is nothing but weird text. HELP. I have a Mac and
>Eudora Lite. Translation????

The attachment is MIME-encoded, so obviously it looks like weird text unless
it's decoded. I don't know how Mac copes with this problem, but there seem

1) "true" attachment, i.e. an encoded file sent "along" with the main
message but not enclosed in its body. When I receive such an attachment,
Eudora decodes it on the fly and puts the decoded file in a pre-selected
directory.

2) if an attachment is sent (from Eudora) after checking the option "Put the
attachment in body of message", this generates the "weird text". Eudora does
not decode it automatically, and in this case I have to cut and paste the
encoded message into an editor, save it as a temporary file and decode it
with an external utility (I use XFERPRO, which is highly recommendable:
download from www.sabasoft.com). This second process is rather boring, so I
suggest to always send attached files (if you really HAVE to send
them....<:-( ) using the first option.

Of course this all applies to my mail reader (Eudora Lite), others might
behave differently.

Hope this helps.

Roberto





Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 12:48:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: Dennis Brannon <brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com>
Subject: Origami doodles

In the Summer 1997 issue of Origami USA's The Paper is an
article by Robert Lang called Origami Connections.

In that article he says:
"While in Japan, I visited several folding groups, and during one of these
     visits
I was designing new models by doodling circles inside a square.  This is a
technique I had developed and used for several years, and my scrawls caught
the eye of several people who recognized the doodles.  It seems I wasn't the
only one using circles to design origami and through these doodles I made
the acquaintance of Toshiyuki Meguro, who had developed his own circular
doodles - not to mention his own flying beetles, spiny sea urchins, and a
whole host of other point-rich designs."

Why circles?   This sounds like an interesting design technique;
could someone who uses this technique please explain a bit further?

thanks,
dennis
-----
Dennis Brannon
brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com
Ayer, Massachusetts USA





Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 13:11:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: MSPARKS@pinkertons.com (MATTHEW SPARKS 05-025)
Subject: RE: gibberish and pdf file

Actually the diagram came through to me just fine, but the majority of   email
     systems can't handle either the format or the volume so it is   frowned
     upon.

Matthew Makaala Sparks                          Desk (818) 380-8712
Senior Technical Support Specialist             Fax  (818) 380-8677
Pinkerton Security & Investigation Services
15910 Ventura Blvd.; Suite 900
Encino, CA  91436                               Ham Radio KE6GVI
  email = MSparks@Pinkertons.com
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 Say "Plugh"...                                 "XYZZY"

 ----------
From:  origami-l[SMTP:origami-l@nstn.ca]
Sent:  Monday, June 30, 1997 8:14 PM
To:  Multiple recipients of list
Subject:  Re: gibberish and pdf file

My appologies folks I honestly did not know you could not send an
attachement to a list server.  Mea culpea.  I plead guilty, through
ignorence.  I also appologise to all of you who were upset that I even
attempted to add a file, I get the message, can we please let it go????

for those who on the other hand wanted to see the file it can be found
at
http://hem.passagen.se/dion/

Thankyou
Perry
>From pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net

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Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 13:33:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: "S.Blackman" <s.blackman@cranfield.ac.uk>
Subject: Creating Origami

Could somebody please let me know whether Creating Origami by J.C.Nolan has
     been reprinted. It is not listed by Amazon or Sasuga.

If it is available, could you please let me know the new ISBN number.

Regards

Stephen Blackman
Senior Lecturer
Welding Engineering





Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 13:46:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: Martin Katz <mandrk@pb.net>
Subject: Re: Making vs. buying vs. teaching

I've never sold any origami, though every year give many hours to our regional
     group's
Christmas tree which has been sold for as much as $1000 for charity. That being
     said,
LILLIAN OPPENHEIMER always said, "If we don't value origami, no one else will."

Good for Marc Kirschenbaum and others who have successfully sold their models
     for big
bucks. I'd love to hear of  successes others have had.

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 13:50:02 -0300 (ADT)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: Making vs. buying - the end

Nick,
At 19.03 30/6/1997 -0300, you wrote:

> Can I suggest (once more!) that some people take another look
>at their ratio of quoted to new material?

You mean things like:
...............
>Perry Bailey wrote:

> > Devin McPherson wrote:
> >
> > > Dino Andreozzi wrote:
...............

I second this ! Clipping off unnecessary stuff (sometimes over 90%) is not a
difficult task, and would prevent some of us from trashing most messages
without ever reading..... <:-(

Roberto





Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 13:56:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: John Marcolina <jmarcoli@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Creating Origami

At 01:33 PM 7/1/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Could somebody please let me know whether Creating Origami by J.C.Nolan has
been reprinted. It is not listed by Amazon or Sasuga.
>
>If it is available, could you please let me know the new ISBN number.
>
>Regards
>
>Stephen Blackman
>Senior Lecturer
>Welding Engineering
>

Don't have the book in front of me, but I know it's available from Michael
LaFosse's web site:

http://www.origamido.com/

John Marcolina
San Jose, CA.
jmarcoli@cisco.com





Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 14:19:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: MSPARKS@pinkertons.com (MATTHEW SPARKS 05-025)
Subject: quote ratio

I agree try and only quote what you need to

also don't forget to change the subject line

and  at least sign your emails but how about actually including your   email
     address so some one can respond to you privately if they want to.

Matthew Makaala Sparks                          Desk (818) 380-8712
Senior Technical Support Specialist             Fax  (818) 380-8677
Pinkerton Security & Investigation Services
15910 Ventura Blvd.; Suite 900
Encino, CA  91436                               Ham Radio KE6GVI
  email = MSparks@Pinkertons.com
 ---------------------------------------------------------------------
 Say "Plugh"...                                 "XYZZY"





Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 14:53:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: John Marcolina <jmarcoli@cisco.com>
Subject: RE: Paper for Rose

At 11:57 AM 7/1/97 -0300, you wrote:

(snip)
>There are various techniques to getting a thin sheet of paper glued to a sheet
>of foil.
(snip)
>Find a well ventilated area free of flying grit and cats.  Tear off about a
foot long
>piece of foil, place it flat on a surface protected by spread out newspapers,
>and spray it evenly with a light coat of glue.
>
>Then take a sheet of tissue paper and try to place it over top of the foil.
>If it lands flat the first time, I'd be truly amazed.
(snip again)
>good luck,
>dennis
>
I used to struggle like this when making tissue foil to get the tissue/unryu
brainstorm - get someone to help you! Two pairs of hands on four corners and
you'll land flat every time, and with no wrinkles!

(Like, Duh, why didn't I think of this before?)

John Marcolina
San Jose, CA.
jmarcoli@cisco.com





Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 15:50:22 -0300 (ADT)
From: Devin McPherson <devmc@oeonline.com>
Subject: edit woes

I hope Mr Sparks used my name only out of convienience. The last reply I
made used on 20% of the message I quoted from.
--
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http://oeonline.com/~devmc/origami.html

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Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 15:54:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: Devin McPherson <devmc@oeonline.com>
Subject: mis-namer

My appologies to Mr Matthew. I was Robby/Laura/Lisa/Sybil? who I meant
to address. ;-)

--
-=[Devin]=-

http://oeonline.com/~devmc/origami.html

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Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 16:38:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: quote ratio

Hi Matthew,

and in your case, could I suggest adding a few carriage returns,
typewriter style, to your email? You messages come in with
each paragraph as one long line...

--valerie
Valerie_Vann@compuserve.com





Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 16:39:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: Paul & Jan Fodor <origami@aloha.net>
Subject: duplicate subscription

Help,   Did anyone save the message about what to do if you get the same
messages over and over?  Did I subscribe twice?  I was having trouble
getting connected.   Please, do you know what its like to read
everything multiple times.  Or is this how Origami-l works?  I've been
getting about 20 messages twice a day and most of them repeated over and
over.   Aloha, Jan





Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 16:42:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Dennis Brannon <brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com>
Subject: RE: Paper for Rose

>I used to struggle like this when making tissue foil to get the tissue/unryu
>to "land" in the right place, and avoiding wrinkles, then I got a real
>brainstorm - get someone to help you! Two pairs of hands on four corners and
>you'll land flat every time, and with no wrinkles!

Interesting idea, but I'd be worried about exposing my friends to the glue
     fumes.
Hmm...if I attached the tissue paper to an old picture frame first, that should
     have the
same effect.

Any suggestions for drying the sheets?  I usually give them 10 minutes to set,
pry them free from the newspaper, and drape them over a wooden chair back
to dry overnight.  That removes the temptation for my cat to walk across them
and prevents the foil from permanently bonding with the newspaper.  It is also
a good check to catch any part that didn't get enough glue.

thanks,
dennis

----------
Dennis Brannon
brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com
Ayer, Massachusetts USA





Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 16:52:02 -0300 (ADT)
From: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Marius Kirsch)
Subject: RE: Paper for Rose

On Tue, 1 Jul 1997, Dennis Brannon wrote:
> Let me try to clear up some of the confusion.

And let _me_ try to clear up the confusion further. :-)

> Because of color rubbing off problems in the past, Sebastian likes to mix
> wallpaper paste with some paint, and then brush it onto white mulberry paper
> to color it.  I suspect he's using it more as a dye than a paint so that it
> won't peel off.

Not quite. I first folded with ordinary tissue paper and had problems with
colour rubbing off. Then I tried mulberry paper. With this paper the
colour didn't rub off, but the paper got fuzzy when I folded it. That's
why I brush it with wallpaper paste, which a) prevents the paper from
getting fuzzy, b) makes the colour brighter and c) makes the paper stiffer
and more foldable.

I use wallpaper paste on any mulberry paper, coloured or not.

> By mixing his own colors he can get exactly the color he wants.

Well, that's of course another advantage. Once made a Lang Dargonfly out of
thin paper, coloured blue and green, with the foil shining through. This looks
pretty good, if only the final model wasn't so thick!

> Get some spray glue - available from Craft or Automotive departments of the
> big department store chains like K-Mart or Wal Mart.

BTW: I usually recommend 3M (Scotch) Spray mount. I have tried several brands
of spray glue, and this is the best kind I have found.

> There are various techniques to getting a thin sheet of paper glued to a
> sheet of foil.  You'll have to experiment to find out what works best for
> you.
[...]
> Then take a sheet of tissue paper and try to place it over top of the foil.
> If it lands flat the first time, I'd be truly amazed.  But just think of the
> creases as giving the paper character...and making each sheet unique.

I usually roll the paper on a cardboard tube (as it is used for wrapping
posters) and then roll it down on the foil. Then I use a rubber roller to
smooth out the paper. This has practically never given me any creases on the
paper.

You can also roll several sheets at once on the cardboard tube, this greatly
speeds up the process. Just roll up all the sheets of paper and the sheets of
foil on the tube in reverse order, one after another, and then roll them down
on the paper.

Yours, Sebastian               sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de,skirsch@t-online.de





Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 17:08:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: MSPARKS@pinkertons.com (MATTHEW SPARKS 05-025)
Subject: RE: edit woes

Yes I admit it I just grabbed the name at the top of the post.
no offense. :)

by the way great home page.
I have never seen a Hawaiian rhino before. I suspect they graze in   pineapple
     fields....

and great signature line is it original?

Matthew Makaala Sparks                          Desk (818) 380-8712
Senior Technical Support Specialist             Fax  (818) 380-8677
Pinkerton Security & Investigation Services
15910 Ventura Blvd.; Suite 900
Encino, CA  91436                               Ham Radio KE6GVI
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 Say "Plugh"...                                 "XYZZY"





Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 17:11:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: pat slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: U.S Copyright Office

By the way, the U.S. Copyright Office is online now:

http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/

Lots of info, necessary application forms, latest law news, and you
can even search the records via Telnet.

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 17:12:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: John Marcolina <jmarcoli@cisco.com>
Subject: RE: Paper for Rose

At 04:42 PM 7/1/97 -0300, you wrote:
(snip :-)
>Any suggestions for drying the sheets?  I usually give them 10 minutes to set,
>pry them free from the newspaper, and drape them over a wooden chair back
>to dry overnight.  That removes the temptation for my cat to walk across them
>and prevents the foil from permanently bonding with the newspaper.  It is also
>a good check to catch any part that didn't get enough glue.
>
>thanks,
>dennis

I cut my square(s) immediately after glueing, and throw away the sticky
edges, then let the sqares dry overnight. Since they no longer have any
exposed glue, they're easier to store at this point, although you want to be
sure to let them dry in a ventilated area.

John Marcolina
San Jose, CA.
jmarcoli@cisco.com





Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 17:24:43 -0300 (ADT)
From: The Aronson's <aronson5@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Techniques Day at the Convention

Hi~

Did anyone on the list go to Monday's OUSA Convention Techniques Day?  I am
particularly interested in hearing about Michael LaFosse's Papermaking class.

By the way - I heard some talk this week-end about that spray glue being
incredibly toxic - has anyone else heard that?

Ellen Aronson
(It was great seeing all those little red apples at the convention!)





Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 18:17:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: Bill & Bev Froyen - Freedom Art & Design <luv2cree8@texoma.net>
Subject: Re: duplicate subscription

Hi Jan -

Is this the message you're referring to?

<----snip---->
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Subject:          ADMIN: subscription, postpone and archives

How to UNSUBSCRIBE from this list ...
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In both cases send a mail to the list manager:

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mentioning which email address to remove from the list (ORIGAMI-L).
The listmanager is a human being with a limited amount of time, so be patient
while awaiting your deletion from the list.

When you don't get messages from the list (even not your own messages) you
are probably set to POSTPONE. You can do it yourself (when going on holiday),
but in the past months it happend to several members at random.  To set the
For those of you who have forgotten how to ACCESS the ARCHIVES ......
   Send a message to:                        origami@ftp.rug.nl
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MIND: THE THREE EMAIL ADDRESSES ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

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Hope that helps you out!  Have a great week & God bless you lots!
                                           :-)
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> messages over and over?  Did I subscribe twice?  I was having trouble
> getting connected.   Please, do you know what its like to read
> everything multiple times.  Or is this how Origami-l works?  I've been
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> over.   Aloha, Jan
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Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 18:57:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mike and Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Perry Bailey's file

Magdalena Cano Plewinska wrote:
> Valerie, what utility did you use to decode it?

I was able to deconde it with xferpro.

Janet Hamilton

--
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Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 19:40:22 -0300 (ADT)
From: Devin McPherson <devmc@oeonline.com>
Subject: Re: edit woes

MATTHEW SPARKS 05-025 wrote:

> Yes I admit it I just grabbed the name at the top of the post.
> no offense. :)

No problem :-)

> by the way great home page.
> I have never seen a Hawaiian rhino before. I suspect they graze in
> pineapple fields....

I've been warned that due to their unstable nature it's best to fold the
horns last.

> and great signature line is it original?

Sorry, only paraphrased. The originator had blamed the Internet and I
felt it needed qualifying.

--
-=[Devin]=-

http://oeonline.com/~devmc/origami.html

*******************************************
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 complete works of William Shakespeare.
 Thanks to AOL, we know that's not true.





Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 20:06:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pam and/or Namir <pgraben@umich.edu>
Subject: Tissue foil.  Was RE: Paper for Rose

I'm a great advocate of tissue foil, for many reasons.  If you want to read
up on it and other
types of hybrid papers, you can check Zack Brown's Origami For Your
Information,
and read the chapter called "   h) Tissue foil and other hybrids " at
http://lynx.dac.neu.edu/home/httpd/z/zbrown/origami/origami

The way that works best for me is the following:
 >Find a well ventilated area free of flying grit and cats.  Tear off about
a foot long
>piece of foil, place it flat on a surface protected by spread out newspapers,
>and spray it evenly with a light coat of glue.
>        Then take a sheet of tissue paper and try to place it over top of
the foil.
>If it lands flat the first time, I'd be truly amazed.  But just think of
the creases
>as giving the paper character...and making each sheet unique.  Let it dry
>overnight.

To do this, I wrap the tissue paper around a leftover cardboard tube (like
from a
used up roll of foil!), and then roll the tissue paper onto the spray-glued
foil.
This eliminates the wrinkles (unless you want them!) and only needs one person.

>Now you have to decide if the model you will fold would look bad if foil
was visible.
>For lots of models - crane, rose, dragon, etc. only the colored side shows,
>so you can start cutting squares and begin folding.  For the other models that
>depend on duo colors (penguins) or if you don't want any foil showing, you can
>glue another sheet off tissue paper to the other side of the foil.  Allow
that to dry
>overnight, then cut and fold.

I do the same here.

>I got into making tissue foil when I started folding insects because plain
paper
>won't let you compress the insect legs thin enough.

I got into it because I loved folding with regular paper backed foil, but
needed a
bigger square.  So then, i found this really cool paper store that sold all
sorts
of wonderful paper: unryu, washi, snakeskin patterns, mulberry, in all the
colors
of the rainbow!  This variety in color/texture, along with the moldablility
of the foil,
is why I love this stuff.  It's a way for me to personalize the models I
fold, and
shy away from wet folding (which I'm just to chicken to try!).

-Namir
!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-
Pamela Graben:     Thinking... what a concept!
Namir Gharaibeh:  "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."
pgraben@umich.edu





Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 20:06:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pam and/or Namir <pgraben@umich.edu>
Subject: Monthly Posting: Hints & Dimensions

Hey all you netters.  I just wanted to make a small posting
telling all you new folks out there, and anyone else who may find
the information useful, about some documents I now maintain.
Zack Brown is housing these at his web site:
http://lynx.dac.neu.edu/home/httpd/z/zbrown/origami/
and they are posted in full on the origami newsgroup
alt.arts.origami monthly.  The items that are being referred to are:

"Origami Book Errata & Hints"
    A document that lists typos, diagrammatic error, and hints
for difficult or hard-to-interpret instructions.
http://lynx.dac.neu.edu/home/httpd/z/zbrown/origami/origami.errata

"Origami Model Dimensions"
    A document that gives the size of a finished model in
comparison to the starting size.  The measurements are
scaleable.  This is useful if you need a particular size
model, and are unsure of what size paper to start with.
http://lynx.dac.neu.edu/home/httpd/z/zbrown/origami/origami.dimensions

If anyone cares to contribute to either of these articles, please
feel free to drop me a line.

Have fun, and I hope these prove useful in extending your joy of origami!
-Namir
!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-
Pamela Graben:     Thinking... what a concept!
Namir Gharaibeh:  "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."
pgraben@umich.edu





Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 21:23:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: JacAlArt@aol.com
Subject: Re: Are complex models sculpturesque?

Nothing wrong with complex, super complex, mega complex, or any of the
complexeseseses! Is it folded from paper? Is it folded from one sheet? Was it
folded without cutting, ripping, or tearing? Was it folded without glue or
other adhesive? If you answer 'yes' to all of the above, what's the big deal?
I prefer a Kawahata T-rex with teeth and toes to a Montroll T-rex with basic
limbs. Not to say I don't love Montroll -- the man is genious -- but I find a
certain beauty in the complexity. Gimme more Yoshinos, Maekawas, and
Kawahatas! Was Warhol art? Is 'abstract art' admirable? Who cares! Stop the
debate and fold! If you don't like it -- don't fold it!

~Alec





Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 21:26:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: JacAlArt@aol.com
Subject: Convention '97

Maybe I'm ignorant, but I thought the convention was always in the Winter.
Are there 2 a year, or are the times just different now? Anyway, when does
the annual collection come out? That's my main question here.

~Alec





Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 21:42:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: selling v. buying etc

Re: selling, copyrights, etc:

For those who don't know, OUSA has an official paper on copyright issues as
they apply to origami and to the organization AND of the organization's
ethical guidelines as well.  This paper is included in the Annual Collection
each year.  I don't know if it is on the new web page, but I assume it will
be included at some point.

OUSA
15 West 77th St
New York NY 10024-5192
(212) 769 - 5635
(212) 769 - 5668 (fax)
http://www.origami-usa.org

I can't remember if BOS has a similar official statement about these issues.
Any other national organizations want to chime in?  It just seems to me that
if there is to be any "commonly agreed on" system in place, the
national/regional organizations provide the structure to establish it.

Carol Hall
chall@scsn.net





Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 22:23:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kim Best <kim.best@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: Origami doodles

Dennis Brannon wrote:
>
> In the Summer 1997 issue of Origami USA's The Paper is an
> article by Robert Lang called Origami Connections.
>
> In that article he says:
> "While in Japan, I visited several folding groups, and during one of these
     visits
> I was designing new models by doodling circles inside a square.  This is a
> technique I had developed and used for several years, and my scrawls caught
> the eye of several people who recognized the doodles.  It seems I wasn't the
> only one using circles to design origami and through these doodles I made
> the acquaintance of Toshiyuki Meguro, who had developed his own circular
> doodles - not to mention his own flying beetles, spiny sea urchins, and a
> whole host of other point-rich designs."
>
> Why circles?   This sounds like an interesting design technique;
> could someone who uses this technique please explain a bit further?
>

Robert gave a class on this subject on technique day at the convention.
As I recall it had something to do with letting ants crawl on your
models...  No just kidding!

Actually Mr. Lang is on the list.  Perhaps he would be the best person
to describe his method and point out where to find more information.

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
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Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 23:34:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steven Casey <scasey@enternet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Techniques Day at the Convention

Ellen Aronson wrote:

>
>By the way - I heard some talk this week-end about that spray glue being
>incredibly toxic - has anyone else heard that?
>
>

Yes, reminds me of a product(spray adhesive), Hardware/Craft stores use to
sell, which was banned from sale in Australia in all but a few specialist
stores. Kids were *deliberately* inhaling the stuff and getting brain
damage. Most of these products carry warnings, and recommend usage in a well
ventilated enviroment. Occasional , careful use should be O.K.! (if
concerned buy a face mask or similar )

Steven Casey,

scasey@enternet.com.au





Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 00:00:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: PDF format

>I recently purchased the full Acrobat software from Adobe and was pleased
>that now I could actually produce PDF files and not just read them. I
>installed it and as yet haven't used it, when I also upgraded my Word to
>Word97 only to find that I was too 'quick on the draw' as Word97 has the
>capability of producing both PDS and HTML formats. Luckily my HTML software
>was shareware.
>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Laurie Bisman    lbisman@ihug.co.nz
     An increasing number of programs now output in pdf format--Freehand,
Pagemaker, Adobe Illustrator 7, Canvas 5.  Before you conclude that the
output from one of these programs is just as good as the one produced by
Acrobat Distiller, includeded in the Adobe Acrobat 3.0 package, it is
desirable to compare the size of the pdf files from both of them for size,
at least.  I have found that the pdf output from Freehand was larger than
from the Distiller.  Could you take a page of origami drawing and text and
get pdf files from both Pagemaker and the Distiller and report whether
there is a difference or not.
     There are other reasons for buying the full Acrobat package.  It
includes a printer driver named PSPrinter, which allows one to take almost
any program and output either a PS file or a Pdf file or print to the
printer.  Tke pdf file is created by PSprinter calling the Distiller
program so that one is assured of a concise package.  And this can be done
from any program one is working with.
     There was also an announcement to Acrobat 3.0 owners that programs to
convert scanned pages to pdf will be sent soon so be sure to send in your
registration form for Acrobat 3.0.
James M. Sakoda, origami dollar bill foldings in pdf form:
http://idt.net/~kittyv





Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 00:56:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: Perry  & the Unicorn

Perry,

Since I got your diagram decoded all right,
I'll upload it to the origami-L archive for you
if you'd like. It's the thought that counts, and
you were trying make a present of it to everybody
on the list, which I thought was a really nice
thing to do.

As far as the "confusion" and such, I get a couple
of botched encoded emailed files/attachments a week
from clients and associates, usually boring old
engineering stuff. At least yours was worth the
trouble decoding: out popped this neat little page
of Unicorn diagrams! Very nicely drawn too!

So let me know if you want me to put it in the
archive (about a 3 minute job...)

Just one question:
when do we get the diagrams for the Maiden?
:-)

--valerie
Valerie_Vann@compuserve.com
