




Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 17:15:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: Postcards <postcards@postcards.com>
Subject: Comments to list Sunday's Digest

Here are some comments from someone who has lurked on the list for awhile,
and recently subscribed again.  These comments cover a bunch of things, and
in no particular order.  There is an offer at the end, if you make it that
far.

At 12:25 PM 6/22/97 -0300, you wrote:
>                      ORIGAMI-L Digest 758

>In oriental cultures, irony and puns are woven into our languages.  Origami
>may mean "Folding Paper" on a literal level, but there is a homonym which
>sounds like paper:kami which is associated with the divine, with the world
>of spirits and magic.  When my son was a toddler, he thought that there was
>magic in paper because mom and dad could pick-up a sheet of music and sing
>along with people we never met before.  Paper possesses a kind of delicate
>magic that brings voices together, tears governments assunder, and shapes
>the universe with the hand of god or man.

This is a cute story, but your replies to this whole topic seem to be
a form of redirection.  This is a good example, since the issue is not
the sup rise and magic of creating with paper, but finding useful
information in the melee of the net.

I am reminded of a definition I once heard, that can be applied to taking
the time to write an appropriate subject:

 Acronym -- Something that saves the writers time, and wastes everyone elses.

>>BUT there are valid reasons for adjusting subject lines.
>>Here's one:
>>Many people don't really have time to read 30+ messages a day,
>>and they rely on the subject lines to guide them to the stuff
>>they're interested in. So it does make sense to change the
>>subject line every once in a while! Plus there's at least
>>a dozen other reasons I won't list here.
>
>Why then do we take the time to celebrate holidays with gifts?  To get away
>from predictability with the open mind of a child.  Watch surprize unfold.
>No time for surprize and wonder, does not make ZENse.

Again, when someone is looking for USEFUL information, suprises are often
not appreciated especially when 30 messages with a useful subject pop up
with totally useless "information" in them.  A suprise is when someone
reads a "chit chat" message and comes away with a new outlook -- but then
the message was mis-classified so that people searching for that information
will most likely not find it.

It's a fact of life, of the net, and the web that subject lines are IMPORTANT
means of classifying, and taking a bit of time to adjust the header is a
courtesy to EVERYONE.

>This list has over five hundred members.  Only a few members actively
>participate.  It would be wonderful to see more participation from
>different people rather than from just the same crowd of posters.

My impression of the list is that it's a lot of fluff.  There is no reason
to post to it, or even read it, unless you have a question and are seeking
an answer to your post.  There is very little of 'community interest in the
posts, and nothing to excite or incite a new member (or old silent one) to
post to it.

I've been on lists and the on-line world for over 20 years, half my life,
and there is a feeling when you join or participate, and this list is missing
that 'feeling' of bringing people in.  Perhaps it's the summer months, but
this seems to be a long standing 'problem'.

>Just recently there was a woman from Iowa who asked for information about
>signing-off this list because she got the impression that this list is more
>involved with complex origami.  I get many emails from the silent ones.

That is true, but those who are more likely to post are those who are more
adept at both origami and computers, which like music and math, tend to go
hand in hand.  To many, it's like a chess match, they will watch, perhaps
play, but will not play in public, so to speak.

If an FAQ/INFO post was made every week or so, or there was a sig-line that
pointed to a page of links of BEGINNER information in  a digest able form,
perhaps a list of links to the history, basic folds, and diagrams that a new
user, educator, or novice folder could browse and use for their own or
classroom
needs you'd find more participation rising.  I'm sure a lot of teachers would
post/feedback if there was a repository for diagrams that could be used in
class -- but almost all the diagrams say not for profit use or such, which
cuts out MOST adult, continuing, or after school educational projects which
charge a small fee.

>I do not use flamethrowers.  I use zen archery.  No greater weapon, no
>greater magic than imagination and creativity.

Again, a cute, or cutesy, closing to a very serious issue.  If this message
of yours was ZEN Archery I think you need glasses or a bit more practice with
the bow.  Redirection is not the best way to answer a post, it leads to more
feelings of alienation in those who might otherwise tender a post.

What I was looking for, in joining the list:

I lived in Japan for several years when I was young, and learned paper folding
while I was there.  It was all very simple, basic, traditional stuff.  It left
me somewhat empty.  Even doing some miniature cranes and micro diorama in
folding
was not satisfying.  To me, Origami is a craft, the way woodworking is.
The art
is what you do with it.  Same as photography which I've been doing for over
30 years.
The more adept folders are excellent crafts people, but the artists are
those that
take it further.

I noticed a slight increase in interest in Origami in the past few years, with
more books appearing on the shelves and the paper becoming more avaiable
and in
more than the standard solid colors I remembered from my childhood.

I found one of Tomoko Fuse's books "Joyful Origami Boxes" which gave me a
whole
new outlook on origami.  It made the craft of paper folding something
useful that
could be extended into the practical realm -- beyond simple appreciation of
color
or form.  It had function.

The craft of Origami now had a 'purpose' other than decoration or extension.
The results could be used in a practical manner, as boxes for gifts, or for
use by charity to encourage additional donations.

I began to search the web, and while I was amazed at the interest I saw in the
craft and the increase in books in the stores in the past few years, I have
also
been somewhat disappointed at the number of people claiming somewhat basic
folds
or minor extensions of folds as their own.  There are only so many ways to
make
some horizontal folds in business cards and put them together, for example.

There seems to be too much emphasis on "claiming" and trying to own things
today,
rather than appreciating the skill of the creator.

What people should be concerned with is furthering the craft rather than
claiming,
or trying to claim, "original folds".  They  should be trying to find new
ways to
present, to use, to display, to make WANTED the creations of the craft.
When the
craft becomes wanted, collected, sought after, then ART evolves.

Right now, I do not see that.   No one is talking about that, nor working to
that end.  Now, not no one.  I have found a few pages where people have taken
the craft, and extensions to the craft perhaps pioneered by others like Tomoko
Fuse, and turned them into collectibles or saleable items.

What I do see, is a lot of people concerned more with beating out the
infinite
number of monkeys typing the collected works of Shakespeare.

It also seems that there is a lot of information scattered around the net
on Origami, but finding it is difficult.  It also seems that people have
spread
their information over several sites because of space limitations.

I was going to offer space on one of our existing servers to this, but I
instead put in a request for the domain name "Origami.Net"    I'll offer space
to anyone who wants to put their pages and information resources on our
server.
This will allow many who do not have the space on their home sites to put up
their origami pages, and link to them from their home pages.

It will be LIMITED to Origami and paper crafts, any other information would
have to be a link back to your own home page.  I have reasonably available
resources for this.

  1) The site should be set up as soon as the request is processed,
  2) I'd appreciate design input for layout of the pages, backgrounds,
      logos, icons, etc.  Contributors will be acknowledged on a separate
      page.
  3)  Because for now I'd like to limit the write access to the server,
      I'd need a few people with reasonably fast connections who would
      like to assit in collecting the information from others and adding
      it to the site.

If there is interest, please let me know.  This can bring most of the
origami resources together in one place, and free up space on your home
pages.  We also have better performance than the larger ISP's especially
during peak hours.

This is NOT to replace the other great collections out there, but to add a
place where the smaller sites and collections can be grouped into another
valuable resource.

Thanks for reading.

Robert S. Pataki, MD
PUGDOG Enterprises, Inc.
http://www.pugdog.com
http://www.postcards.com

PUGDOG Enterprises has several Japan oriented products and projects underway.
One is a chapter in The Children of the World #1 collection.  Another is a
CD ROM
of Japanese Woodblock prints from a private collection.  Another is a peek
into
Japan of the Late 1960's from a collection of photos and slides from that
period.





Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:00:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: reeds@openix.com (Reeds family)
Subject: poverty fold class at OUSA convention--        request for materials

I'm teaching a poverty-fold class on Sunday at 2 at the OUSA convention.All
the models  use those subscription cards that are so annoying in magazines.
For months, I've been salvaging them from all the magazines that come to
our house, but I'm not perfectly sure I'll have enough for everyone. So, if
you are tempted to take the class or just like the idea of recycling a few
of the blasted things, could you bring 4 or 5 subscription cards along,
please?  I'll put a bag under the listing/tickets for the class to dump the
cards into.

The models I plan to teach are all original, low-intermediate,  and very
useful for times when you are stuck in airports with bored kids: a chair
(in an earlier OUSA convention collection), Persian Slippers (submitted to
this year's collection), and a pontificating penguin (just diagramming it
now).

Many thanks,
Karen
reeds@openix.com





Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:04:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: Dennis Brannon <brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com>
Subject: pointer to Pennsylvania German Folded Paper Star diagram

While searching for Swedish star info with the Alta Vista search engine
(swedish + star + fold + paper), it returned a page I thought this list might
find interesting.  Its an article from "Early American Homes" and shows
how to fold a Pennsylvania German Folded Paper Star from 4 strips of
white shelf lining paper.

Pennsylvania German Folded Paper Star
http://www.thehistorynet.com/EarlyAmericanHomes/articles/12962_stars.htm

enjoy,
Dennis Brannon
brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com





Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:56:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: Maldon7929@aol.com
Subject: List Subjects, Was Re: (NO...maybe):Subject lines...(From Tori ....

>Always speaking of origami in academic terms and complexity will
>tune-out young children and those who admire origami but don't know where
>to begin.

Academic material make be frightening to some of the more timid among us
beginning folders.





Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 22:46:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: havener3@delphi.com (geoline)
Subject: Re: Comments to list Sunday's Digest

R. Potaki wrote:
>>I do not use flamethrowers.  I use zen archery.  No greater weapon, no
>>greater magic than imagination and creativity.
>
>Again, a cute, or cutesy, closing to a very serious issue.  If this message
>of yours was ZEN Archery I think you need glasses or a bit more practice with
>the bow.  Redirection is not the best way to answer a post, it leads to more
>feelings of alienation in those who might otherwise tender a post.

It is a fact of life on that the internet is no longer the domain of
universities.  It is accessed by all economic backgrounds; public libraries
and schools offer free internet access; Children and senior citizens have
net access.  As such, this is not a list I could recommend to children
publications, because it is way too etiquette oriented.  This is not a list
I could recommend to any newcomer because its emphasis is more formal
oriented in a craft which many children enjoy.  I do not hestitate to
question courtesies which alienate whole classes of people.

Origami has a long tradition with children and teachers in passing down
folklore from one generation to the next.  Origami also has a long Asian
practical tradition of food and gift container applications.   Origami also
has an ancient tradition of ancestor worship and burial rituals of which
"kami" and "gami" transcend literal and spiritual boundaries.  Origami is
also used in Zen meditation.  I will discuss origami and its relationship
to my community, cultures and the net as such.  This is how origami touches
my life.  Some of this stuff maybe new to non-Asian communities, but most
of this stuff has been around for ages.

As time goes on, I will be slowly adding origami illustrated folktales and
stories, practical stuffs, crafty stuffs, Memphis stuffs, Hawaii stuffs,
Chinese stuffs, Japanese stuffs and Zen stuffs all associated with origami
on my origami pages.  I do the same on my bonsai pages when I have time and
energy to tie bonsai in with home and community.  I just put-up my origami
pages a couple of weeks; I don't even have all that much online at the
moment because it does take lots of time, patience and energy to
graphically render images for the web and write html; however, within one
week of mentioning that I had an origami page to this list, my origami page
alone got over 500 hits.  Either people here are looking for new ideas or
are just curious about each other.

People do make social faux pas and do want to chat about origami in a more
relaxed net atmosphere.  Otherwise, noone would be complaining about
message content and subject headers.  People do not live by Robert's Rules
of Order in real life.  Oh, governments try to follow such rules and still
have problems.  Such rules of etiquette in the judicial and business system
have become so complex, that most citizens require a rules specialist
(attorney) to practice civil liberties.

It is also a fact of life that research is never easy.  Out of the many
books one drags out onto a table, only a few lines of a few books are going
to contain what one is searching for.  The net is no different than real
life.

Good for you that you came out of the closet to post your feelings about
the matter and shared how origami has touched your life and what direction
you would like to see origami head in.  You have a very ambitious goal.
Good luck.

Geoline, signing-off the list as a courtesy for those who require courtesy.





Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:06:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Maldon7929@aol.com
Subject: List Subjects  Was: Re: (NO...maybe):Subject lines...(From Tori

> Always speaking of origami in academic terms and complexity will
>tune-out young children and those who admire origami but don't know where
>to begin.

The academic content might be frightening to the timid among us, but it also
shows the depth of the subject.  Hopefully, with time, newer folders will
become involved in dimensions of origami they never knew existed. (I know I
have.) Don't you agree having math, computer programming and physics
associated with something "FUN" can contribute to an intrest in those
subjects? All of the published authors (many of whom are the more academic
members) contributing to this list are also fine teachers.  Apart from
classes this is the best opprotunity in the world to learn more about
folding. (IMHO)  Please, if you hear from any shy members, encourage them to
post.  It is always more beneficial to particpate than to watch.

Maldon

P.S. An additional boon.  My spelling hasn't improved, but I've purchased a
better dictionary.





Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 02:42:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net>
Subject: Re: Peabody Essex Museum display and Yoshizawa class

Eric Andersen wrote:

> I will write more later about this class, if others are interested.

I am interested, these things allways fascinate me, only sorrow I have
is my own inability to attend, mainly for for health reasons.
please post on.
Perry
--
>From pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net

***************************************
* Your Life is only what you make it. *
* so make it good. :?)'               *





Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 02:54:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net>
Subject: Re: poverty fold class at OUSA convention--    request for materials

Reeds family wrote:
>
> I'm teaching a poverty-fold class on Sunday at 2 at the OUSA convention.All
> the models  use those subscription cards that are so annoying in magazines.
> For months, I've been salvaging them from all the magazines that come to
> our house, but I'm not perfectly sure I'll have enough for everyone. So, if
> you are tempted to take the class or just like the idea of recycling a few
> of the blasted things, could you bring 4 or 5 subscription cards along,
> please?  I'll put a bag under the listing/tickets for the class to dump the
> cards into.
>
> The models I plan to teach are all original, low-intermediate,  and very
> useful for times when you are stuck in airports with bored kids: a chair
> (in an earlier OUSA convention collection), Persian Slippers (submitted to
> this year's collection), and a pontificating penguin (just diagramming it
> now).
>
> Many thanks,
> Karen
> reeds@openix.com
Dear karen,
would their be time yet if I were to mail any of the cards I could to
where ever you would like to help you out????
Also will these folds be in the convention book, if not could I get
copies, as ill health and bad finances make it impossible to attend, I
read my email dailey so if there will be time let me know and I will
send all I can find for you.
Perry bailey
--
>From pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net

***************************************
* Your Life is only what you make it. *
* so make it good. :?)'               *





Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 03:16:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net>
Subject: Re: Comments to list Sunday's Digest

geoline wrote:
>
> R. Potaki wrote:
> >>I do not use flamethrowers.  I use zen archery.  No greater weapon, no
> >>greater magic than imagination and creativity.
> >
> >Again, a cute, or cutesy, closing to a very serious issue.  If this message
> >of yours was ZEN Archery I think you need glasses or a bit more practice with
> >the bow.  Redirection is not the best way to answer a post, it leads to more
> >feelings of alienation in those who might otherwise tender a post.
>
> It is a fact of life on that the internet is no longer the domain of
> universities.  It is accessed by all economic backgrounds; public libraries
> and schools offer free internet access; Children and senior citizens have
> net access.  As such, this is not a list I could recommend to children
> publications, because it is way too etiquette oriented.  This is not a list
> I could recommend to any newcomer because its emphasis is more formal
> oriented in a craft which many children enjoy.  I do not hestitate to
> question courtesies which alienate whole classes of people.
>
> Origami has a long tradition with children and teachers in passing down
> folklore from one generation to the next.  Origami also has a long Asian
> practical tradition of food and gift container applications.   Origami also
> has an ancient tradition of ancestor worship and burial rituals of which
> "kami" and "gami" transcend literal and spiritual boundaries.  Origami is
> also used in Zen meditation.  I will discuss origami and its relationship
> to my community, cultures and the net as such.  This is how origami touches
> my life.  Some of this stuff maybe new to non-Asian communities, but most
> of this stuff has been around for ages.
>
> As time goes on, I will be slowly adding origami illustrated folktales and
> stories, practical stuffs, crafty stuffs, Memphis stuffs, Hawaii stuffs,
> Chinese stuffs, Japanese stuffs and Zen stuffs all associated with origami
> on my origami pages.  I do the same on my bonsai pages when I have time and
> energy to tie bonsai in with home and community.  I just put-up my origami
> pages a couple of weeks; I don't even have all that much online at the
> moment because it does take lots of time, patience and energy to
> graphically render images for the web and write html; however, within one
> week of mentioning that I had an origami page to this list, my origami page
> alone got over 500 hits.  Either people here are looking for new ideas or
> are just curious about each other.
>
> People do make social faux pas and do want to chat about origami in a more
> relaxed net atmosphere.  Otherwise, noone would be complaining about
> message content and subject headers.  People do not live by Robert's Rules
> of Order in real life.  Oh, governments try to follow such rules and still
> have problems.  Such rules of etiquette in the judicial and business system
> have become so complex, that most citizens require a rules specialist
> (attorney) to practice civil liberties.
>
> It is also a fact of life that research is never easy.  Out of the many
> books one drags out onto a table, only a few lines of a few books are going
> to contain what one is searching for.  The net is no different than real
> life.
>
> Good for you that you came out of the closet to post your feelings about
> the matter and shared how origami has touched your life and what direction
> you would like to see origami head in.  You have a very ambitious goal.
> Good luck.
>
> Geoline, signing-off the list as a courtesy for those who require courtesy.
I certainly hope your sign off was simply refering to this particular
messages,  as I find your input benificial and calming.  It is nice in a
group of ego maniacs(no offense folks, I included my self in the
catagory too)to have some who is laid back and relaxed, who still is
able to find the joy of creation, the wonder of taking a plain penny
piece of paper and turn it into some of beauty, a thing of wonder.  So
many of us tend to grow up and lose the sense of wonder, for them a
rainbow has no magic and elves and dragon the stuff of childish dreams.
we need some one to show us the poetry of life, and the grace of living
in harmony with your self.  If you retreat from the list serv, we will
all be the poorer for it.  I enjoy your wit and insight.
Perry
--
>From pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net

***************************************
* Your Life is only what you make it. *
* so make it good. :?)'               *





Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 03:19:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net>
Subject: Re: List Subjects  Was: Re: (NO...maybe):Subject lines...(From Tori

Maldon7929@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Always speaking of origami in academic terms and complexity will
> >tune-out young children and those who admire origami but don't know where
> >to begin.
>
> The academic content might be frightening to the timid among us, but it also
> shows the depth of the subject.  Hopefully, with time, newer folders will
> become involved in dimensions of origami they never knew existed. (I know I
> have.) Don't you agree having math, computer programming and physics
> associated with something "FUN" can contribute to an intrest in those
> subjects? All of the published authors (many of whom are the more academic
> members) contributing to this list are also fine teachers.  Apart from
> classes this is the best opprotunity in the world to learn more about
> folding. (IMHO)  Please, if you hear from any shy members, encourage them to
> post.  It is always more beneficial to particpate than to watch.
>
> Maldon
>
> P.S. An additional boon.  My spelling hasn't improved, but I've purchased a
> better dictionary.
we are all enriched by by the input of other, even when we don't
understand it, it gives us some thing to ponder and think about. And
from thinking who knows what may happen, there is no person so poor that
he doesn't have some thing to teach us, if we only listen.
(the pain pills finaly kicked in, but the statement stilll stands.
perry
--
>From pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net

***************************************
* Your Life is only what you make it. *
* so make it good. :?)'               *





Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 04:31:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jin Lin <jlche3@student.monash.edu.au>
Subject: Kawasaki's Rose: Help!

This is probably old news to everyone else, but I've just gotten wind
of this fable called Kawasaki's Rose. Problem is, I can't seem to figure
out *what* book it's in.
        OUSA lists a rose created by Toshikazu Kawasaki in a book called
"Origami for the Connoisseur", but no amount of Web searches turn up
*any* other evidence! The only book by that name is by T. Takahama and
Kasahara. Is this the right book?

        Could someone please, *please* clear up the confusion for me? I'm just
about at the end of my wits (and sanity!)! I'd also appreciate it if
you'd include the publisher's name.

        Thank you, thank you, thank you! Wish you all heaps of paper-folding
happiness!

Jin Lin

p/s -- I'm also interested in Kawasaki's seashells. I've seen the
completed models *somewhere*, but I've forgotten where, and now they're
starting to haunt my dreams (though not as badly as the Rose). If anyone
would help me with this other problem I'd be doubly grateful.





Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 05:08:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: Maarten van Gelder <M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: RE: non-geometric modulars

I did add some modulars to the Ed Sullivan Bluebeard Castle. But I didn't
(yet) diagram them.

My arch is (in my view) a non-geometric modular object. It is built mainly
from two types of modules. The whole system is diagrammed and in the
archives.
I'm experimenting with some additional modules to append a roller coaster
(marble ramp) to the building. Maybe this is an answer to the 'Challenge'
(some time ago) also.

Maarten van Gelder,           Rekencentrum RuG,  RijksUniversiteit Groningen
M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl                            Nederland





Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 05:55:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: Bruce Stephens <B.Stephens@isode.com>
Subject: Re: Kawasaki's Rose: Help!

jlche3@student.monash.edu.au said:
>       OUSA lists a rose created by Toshikazu Kawasaki in a book called
> "Origami for the Connoisseur", but no amount of Web searches turn up
> *any* other evidence! The only book by that name is by T. Takahama
> and Kasahara. Is this the right book?

That's the one.  There's diagrams for a newer rose in the archives.





Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 10:20:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: Kawasaki's Rose: Help!

"Origami for the Connoisseur"

Having the publisher won't help: OFTC has been out
of print for some time; you will have to find it in
a library, though in my experience a lot of the
library copies have gone missing, presumably stolen.

Some of the shells are in OFTC too. The two
Spirals books by Tomoko Fuse have some shells also.

If you download the diagrams for the ROSE II from
the archives, be sure that you're getting the ones
for the realistic rose. There are two other
"Kawasaki Rose" diagrams in the archives, but these
are for the twistfold or tessellation shown in
the Jackson Encyclopedia, and they are not what you
want.

Personally, I still prefer the original rose from
OFTC to the second one, but I seem to be virtually
alone in my preference, and the second one does have
the current advantage of having accessible diagrams.

PS If you want to see what the "rose tessellations"
look like, here's a URL:
http://users.aol.com/valerivann/jackson/jackson.html
Then look for the sublink to the Rose Tessellation
where there is a photo.

Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 10:22:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Marius Kirsch)
Subject: Re: Kawasaki's Rose: Help!

On Tue, 24 Jun 1997, Jin Lin wrote:
>       OUSA lists a rose created by Toshikazu Kawasaki in a book called
> "Origami for the Connoisseur", but no amount of Web searches turn up
> *any* other evidence! The only book by that name is by T. Takahama and
> Kasahara. Is this the right book?

Yes, that's the right book, although you have to be lucky to find it:
Unfortunately it is long out of print now.

> about at the end of my wits (and sanity!)! I'd also appreciate it if
> you'd include the publisher's name.

Kunihiko Kasahara and Toshie Takahama:
Origami for the Connoisseur.
Tokyo: Japan Publications, 1987.
ISBN 0-87040-670-1

> p/s -- I'm also interested in Kawasaki's seashells. I've seen the
> completed models *somewhere*, but I've forgotten where, and now they're
> starting to haunt my dreams (though not as badly as the Rose).

These seashells are also in the Connoisseur.

Yours, Sebastian               sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de,skirsch@t-online.de





Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 12:01:43 -0300 (ADT)
From: John Marcolina <jmarcoli@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Kawasaki's Rose: Help!

At 10:20 AM 6/24/97 -0300, you wrote:
(snip snip)
>Personally, I still prefer the original rose from
>OFTC to the second one, but I seem to be virtually
>alone in my preference, and the second one does have
>the current advantage of having accessible diagrams.
>>Valerie Vann
>75070.304@compuserve.com
>
You're not alone! I think the OFTC version is much more fun to fold, and
without all those unsightly gid lines. (Yes, I'm sure it could be folded w/o
them, but that'd be even more work!)

John Marcolina
San Jose, CA.
jmarcoli@cisco.com





Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 12:27:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: Amy Huang <ahuang@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
Subject: Cheetah search and other things...

Hi there!

        I'm looking for a good fold of a cheetah...any ideas where I can
find one?

        Also, this is probably a stupid question, but how can I reach the
archives of this list? I didn't know there were several versions of the
Kawasaki rose (I only have the first one) so I would be interested in
looking at the later versions.

        Thanks,
        Amy
        http://www.angelfire.com/la/Lal





Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 12:27:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Postcards <postcards@postcards.com>
Subject: Re: ORIGAMI-L digest 760

>Good for you that you came out of the closet to post your feelings about
>the matter and shared how origami has touched your life and what direction
>you would like to see origami head in.  You have a very ambitious goal.
>Good luck.
>
>Geoline, signing-off the list as a courtesy for those who require courtesy.

This is almost exactly what I mean.  This too is another long standing
cliche of the Internet.  When a person doesn't get their way, no matter
how many people they offend -- even when there was an open discussion --
they make a dramatic sign off.  This is designed to 1) create a groundswell
of support for them to boost their ego, or 2) to simply create a sense of
disorder in which they can delight or return as saviour.

Either way, it's not conducive to bringing new posters into the fold.

People asked why no newbies seem to post and this is the response of the
long standing list 'leaders' .....  Any other questions?

Robert S. Pataki, MD
PUGDOG Enterprises, Inc.





Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 13:28:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Eric Andersen <ema@techhouse.cis.brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Comments to list Sunday's Digest

On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, Postcards wrote:

> My impression of the list is that it's a lot of fluff.  There is no reason
> to post to it, or even read it, unless you have a question and are seeking
> an answer to your post.  There is very little of 'community interest in the
> posts, and nothing to excite or incite a new member (or old silent one) to
> post to it.

Hi Robert, and everyone else, new and old alike! I have been a member of
this list for about two years or so, and in my opinion, this list has been
a deep, rich discussion list that has strengthened my love for
paperfolding in many different ways. I have been on other mailing lists as
well, and in comparison this list has very little "fluff". In fact,
previous discussions on this list have shown us that the posts that are
only tangentially associated to origami are one of the most exciting
and interesting aspects of this list!

This list is far more than a question/answer list. To say that there is no
reason to post or even read this list is unfortunate; the many experienced
folders, creators, historians, mathematicians, and otherwise talented
folders provide a rich resource. Those that are new to origami or even new
to the list provide just as important a resource as well; their new ideas
and interesting insights have given us renewed interest in many areas.

If there is nothing to excite or incite a new member (or an old silent
one) to this list, then we are shooting ourselves in the foot! I think I
speak for all of us when I welcome all new members and lurkers. In fact
Dorigami began a "How I got started" thread a while back, and many new
members wrote wonderful stories...let's start that again, shall we? It
would be a great way for us to learn about each other while appreciating
what new members and "lurkers" have to offer!

> >Just recently there was a woman from Iowa who asked for information about
> >signing-off this list because she got the impression that this list is more
> >involved with complex origami.  I get many emails from the silent ones.
>
> That is true, but those who are more likely to post are those who are more
> adept at both origami and computers, which like music and math, tend to go
> hand in hand.  To many, it's like a chess match, they will watch, perhaps
> play, but will not play in public, so to speak.

I don't think this is the case; the origami/computer discussions have only
been recent. This is hardly the defining topic of this list.

> If an FAQ/INFO post was made every week or so, or there was a sig-line that
> pointed to a page of links of BEGINNER information in  a digest able form,
> perhaps a list of links to the history, basic folds, and diagrams that a new
> user, educator, or novice folder could browse and use for their own or
> classroom
> needs you'd find more participation rising.

Well, there are many origami sites on the web designed for beginners. We
just learned of the www.learn2.com site, which teaches a few simple folds.
There is a wealth of information on Joseph Wu's site about history, basic
folds, and diagrams that anyone can browse and use:

http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami

For those interested in origami history, here are a few more links:

http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami/Info/history.html

http://www.fascinating-folds.com/whatnw.html

http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~wdawes/History.html

http://dubhe.cc.nps.navy.mil/~ejcranks/arth193b.html

http://mothra.rerf.or.jp/ENG/Hiroshima/DidYouKnow/102.html

>I'm sure a lot of teachers would
> post/feedback if there was a repository for diagrams that could be used in
> class -- but almost all the diagrams say not for profit use or such, which
> cuts out MOST adult, continuing, or after school educational projects which
> charge a small fee.

The Origami Interest Group site is such a repository:

http://www.rug.nl/rugcis/rc/ftp/origami/

There are also many other sites on the web with diagrams which are free
for anyone to read and use. Try some of these:

http://hem.passagen.se/dion/Foldia.html

http://www.a1.com/children/bflyori.htm

http://www.csi.ad.jp/suzuhari-es/1000cranes/paperc/index.html

http://www.cs.yale.edu/homes/sjl/froggy/origami/origami.html

http://www.cytex.com/go/jasper/origami/tutorial/techniques.html

These and many others are wonderful sites which, as far as I understand,
are certainly not trying to close their doors to educational projects and
classes.

> >I do not use flamethrowers.  I use zen archery.  No greater weapon, no
> >greater magic than imagination and creativity.
>
> Again, a cute, or cutesy, closing to a very serious issue.  If this message
> of yours was ZEN Archery I think you need glasses or a bit more practice with
> the bow.  Redirection is not the best way to answer a post, it leads to more
> feelings of alienation in those who might otherwise tender a post.

I think geoline's "Zen archery" is well-directed, and her posts
bring an interesting new perspective to thie list.

> What I was looking for, in joining the list:
> ...
> The craft of Origami now had a 'purpose' other than decoration or extension.
> The results could be used in a practical manner, as boxes for gifts, or for
> use by charity to encourage additional donations.

There are many other uses for origami beyond simple decoration. Robert
Lang's new book is full of origami with motion. As children, I'm sure
models such as these kept us intrigued. In a world where so much is
pre-built and ready-made for us, how wonderful it must be to make your own
toy!

>
> I began to search the web, and while I was amazed at the interest I saw in the
> craft and the increase in books in the stores in the past few years, I have
> also been somewhat disappointed at the number of people claiming
> somewhat basic folds or minor extensions of folds as their own.  There
> are only so many ways to make some horizontal folds in business cards
> and put them together, for example.

This is unfortunate; I don't believe that most of us in the origami
community thrive on claiming any little design as our own. As for business
card modulars, they are very creative, and I believe this medium has many
wonderful models just waiting to be created!

> There seems to be too much emphasis on "claiming" and trying to own things
> today, rather than appreciating the skill of the creator.
> What people should be concerned with is furthering the craft rather than
> claiming, or trying to claim, "original folds".  They  should be trying
> to find new ways to present, to use, to display, to make WANTED the
> creations of the craft. When the craft becomes wanted, collected,
> sought after, then ART evolves.

I have not seen this strong an emphasis. We would all like to further
origami, as you can see when a member posts an exciting "origami sighting"
to the list! We are always happy to see origami in the eyes of the
general public!

> What I do see, is a lot of people concerned more with beating out the
> infinite number of monkeys typing the collected works of Shakespeare.

If things have gone this far, then we as a community have truly failed...

> It also seems that there is a lot of information scattered around the net
> on Origami, but finding it is difficult.  It also seems that people have
> spread their information over several sites because of space
> limitations.

A simple entering of the word "origami" into Yahoo will bring up many
different origami sites, from which hundreds of other sites can be found.
My web pages have been up for about a year an a half, and many of the
thousands of visitors have told me how easy it was to locate my site. Many
of us with web pages link to each other, making it easier to find
information on the web about origami. I try very hard to keep my site easy
to find, but I guess we just need to try harder. Recent discussion about
webrings might also be a solution to this problem. What do you think?

> I was going to offer space on one of our existing servers to this, but I
> instead put in a request for the domain name "Origami.Net"    I'll offer space
> to anyone who wants to put their pages and information resources on our
> server.
> This will allow many who do not have the space on their home sites to put up
> their origami pages, and link to them from their home pages.
> ...
> If there is interest, please let me know.  This can bring most of the
> origami resources together in one place, and free up space on your home
> pages.  We also have better performance than the larger ISP's especially
> during peak hours.

I'm glad you have decided to donate your efforts to this. My site has many
graphics, and I pay for this space; I would feel uncomfortable asking you
to host my site and take up space on a server with which I have no direct
connection (figuratively). For those who would like to put a small new web
site, though, this sounds like a good idea.

Sorry for so long a post, but I really feel that this list has so much to
offer for all of us. Let's do those "How I got started" stories!

-Eric  :-P

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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 13:35:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: Eric Andersen <ema@techhouse.cis.brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Kawasaki's Rose: Help!

Valerie wrote:

> PS If you want to see what the "rose tessellations"
> look like, here's a URL:
> http://users.aol.com/valerivann/jackson/jackson.html
> Then look for the sublink to the Rose Tessellation
> where there is a photo.

And if you would like to see a photo of the rose from "Origami for the
Connoisseur", I have it on the web:

http://www.netspace.org/~ema/origami/rose.jpg

-Eric  :-P
origami@brown.edu

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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 14:09:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: RA Kennedy <kennedra@isdugp.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: non-geometric modulars

Some additional examples of non-geometric models constructed
from Sonobe modules can be found in a book with the ISBN

4-537-01213-7

The style suggests that the author is Kasahara. a couple of
birds appear on pages 188 & 189, followed by 2 dogs (or are
they foxes?) on pages 190 & 191. There is some accompanying
text, which I cannot translate. There are also flowers, and
leaves, some 2D patterns, and various 3D figures, using a
variety of variants of the basic Sonobe modules.

This is a fascinating book, which also contains the cut
patterns for multiple linked crane models. I just wish I could
read Japanese!

Bye

Richard K.
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 15:07:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Marius Kirsch)
Subject: More on Tigers

On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Dr. Joel M. Hoffman wrote:
> I'm looking for instructions for a tiger or other wild cat (but not a
> lion).  I know about Engel's tiger in his Folding Universe, but it's
> not quite what I'm looking for.  Any suggestions?  Either on the net
> or in a published book will be fine.

There is also a very fine tiger, with a very detailed face, in "La Era
Nueva" by Kasahara Kunihiko. The model is by Nishikawa Seiji. Or was it in
"El Mundo Nuevo"? I don't remember now.

Anyway, both books are great, and I wish I could afford them. And I wish
even more that I could read them. An English translation of these two
books, and I bet that the origami world would kiss Kasahara's feet. I
certainly would. :-)

Yours, Sebastian               sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de,skirsch@t-online.de





Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 15:07:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Marius Kirsch)
Subject: Re: Kawasaki's Rose: Help!

Hi Valerie!

On Tue, 24 Jun 1997, Valerie Vann wrote:
> Having the publisher won't help: OFTC has been out
> of print for some time; you will have to find it in
> a library, though in my experience a lot of the
> library copies have gone missing, presumably stolen.

Or some libraries may have simply dropped it because it fell apart.  :-/
This seems to be a frequent problem with this book, I have heard of
several people whose OFTC is falling apart, and mine is already beginning
to loose pages. :-(

> Personally, I still prefer the original rose from
> OFTC to the second one, but I seem to be virtually
> alone in my preference,

Oh no, you're not at all alone. I still prefer the rose from OFTC, perhaps
because I can't seem to cope with the locking mechanism of No. II. :-)
Silke Schrder, who taught me the Rose II -- or tried to teach, because I
have long since forgotten how to make it --, says that she likes the rose
in OFTC better, although she has never folded it.

BTW: The numbering Rose I and Rose II is not quite appropriate, since
Kawasaki has created dozens of roses, simple ones and more elaborate ones,
which all share the central twist fold.

Yours, Sebastian               sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de,skirsch@t-online.de





Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 15:07:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: folding vs. sculpting

MATTHEW SPARKS 05-025 <MSPARKS@pinkertons.com> sez

>behind and sculpt the paper in to much more lifelike shapes.  (I of   course am
>striving to obtain this look for my folds.)
>Is there a name differentiation between these two types of origami

Wet & dry folding!

all the best,

Nick Robinson

personal email  nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk - now with real Audio clips!





Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 15:33:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: folding vs. sculpting

On Tue, 24 Jun 1997, Nick Robinson wrote:

> MATTHEW SPARKS 05-025 <MSPARKS@pinkertons.com> sez
>
> >behind and sculpt the paper in to much more lifelike shapes.  (I of   course
     am
> >striving to obtain this look for my folds.)
> >Is there a name differentiation between these two types of origami
>
> Wet & dry folding!

It's not so cut-and-dry (pardon the pun), Nick. For example, I've been
doing a lot of dry folding lately that has been mistaken for wet folding.
How about something like "soft-line" and "hard-line" origami? Ah, but
that sounds too political...

          Joseph Wu           It's your privilege as an artist to inflict
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   the pain of creativity on yourself. We can
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami you how YOU paint. There's More Than One Way
                              To Do It. Have the appropriate amount of fun.
                                          --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:21:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: Dennis Brannon <brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com>
Subject: RE: Kawasaki's Rose: Help!

Valerie Vann said

>Personally, I still prefer the original rose from
>OFTC to the second one, but I seem to be virtually
>alone in my preference, and the second one does have
>the current advantage of having accessible diagrams.

Over the years I've tried several times to fold the rose from OFTC and failed.
About two weeks ago I finally figured out how to get past the twist fold to the
     3D
shape and was able to finish the rose.  Its great!  After making a bunch of
     them,
and even some miniatures from Hershey Nugget candy wrappers (white roses),
I then dug through the archives for the rose base and stem.

After that I tried folding the new rose and succeeded this past weekend.
It seems to be alot more work hunting for exactly where to precrease than the
     original,
and not that much different in appearance.  Its a nice looking rose, but the
     original
seems to be faster and easier to fold.

re: "virtually alone"
Valierie, you are not alone.  My personal preference is for the original rose
     too.
I'll fold some more of the new roses to see if my opinion changes with practice.

Dennis Brannon
brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com
Ayer, Massachusetts USA





Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:30:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: Dennis Brannon <brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com>
Subject: RE: folding vs. sculpting

>behind and sculpt the paper in to much more lifelike shapes.  (I of   course am
>striving to obtain this look for my folds.)
>Is there a name differentiation between these two types of origami

How about just calling it "lifelike origami"?  You are breathing life into the
     model
with those sculpted muscle curves, eyebrows, nostrils, etc.
Or maybe "sculpted origami"?

dennis
brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com





Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:43:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: Eric Andersen <ema@techhouse.cis.brown.edu>
Subject: Weird Al Show (fwd)

Hi again! Boy, I seem to be posting a lot recently...

Anyway, I just got this email...seems like the Weird Al Show needs someone
to teach origami tomorrow morning. Unfortunately, I live in Providence,
not Los Angeles, so if you live in the LA area, read on!

-Eric  :-P
origami@brown.edu

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 12:31:42 +0000
>From: eyeline@pacbell.net
>To: origami@brown.edu
>Subject: Weird Al Show
>
>Hello my name is Craig Armstrong and I am a Line Producer for The Weird
>Al Show starring Weird Al Yankovic.  The Show is a Saturday morning kids
>show.
>
>My interest is in your Origami ability.  We need someone to appear on
>our show and make origami works.  examples would be a swan, a poodle and
>the Eiffel Tower.  We are located in Los Angeles.  Hopefully you are
>too.  This shoot Wednesday the 25th.
>
>If you are interested please call me at 818-563-9850





Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:17:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: Robert Brandin <Rabbart@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: reply/subject="Dear Mr. Montroll"

     Dear Mr. Montroll,
I am a great fan of you and your books and I was wondering if I could sell
pre folded models of yours over the internet? I will fold the models and
sell them on a web page if I may.

      Thanks,
         Robert





Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:21:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Backes, Nancy J (MN17)" <nbackes@p04.mn17.honeywell.com>
Subject: RE: non-geometric modulars

I am not sure who was looking for the non-geometric modulars, but there
is a cute articulated lizard by Tomoko Fuse in one of the books by Steve
and Megumi Biddle.  I think it is the book "The New Origami".  If it
isn't that book, it is "Essential Origami".  The lizard is made from
about 8? pieces or so, most of them starting the same, with variations on
the base for the head, tail, and leg pieces.  They are all joined
together so the lizard can bend his body from side to side.

Nancy Backes





Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:34:07 -0300 (ADT)
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: folding vs. sculpting

> >behind and sculpt the paper in to much more lifelike shapes.  (I of   course
     am
> >striving to obtain this look for my folds.)
> >Is there a name differentiation between these two types of origami
>
> How about just calling it "lifelike origami"?  You are breathing life into
     the model
> with those sculpted muscle curves, eyebrows, nostrils, etc.
> Or maybe "sculpted origami"?

Hmmmm... Isn't most sculpted origami of the free form type which is hard
or impossible to diagram and very difficult to reproduce two times in a
row?  Any thoughts on special diagramming techniques for sculpted origami?

                                 ... Mark

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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:40:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <valerie_vann@compuserve.com>
Subject: RE: Kawasaki's Rose: Help!

One thing I like about Rose I is it folds well from
heavy paper but can become quite realistic if you then
slightly damped and soften the shapes. Also a few minor
variations in the closure can produce stages of roses
from bud to full bloom. The tabs on the back that are
interleaved to close the Rose can be addapted to attach
the rose to a Sonobe Cube variation.

In full bloom, it looks like a classic formal "Florist's
Rose". I like the Rose II also but it reminds me more of
baby roses or "old roses" or varieties of climbing roses,
less formally and precisely shaped.

Re: the Rose II diagrams in the archive; I believe some
corrections and/or hints to help with some of the less clear
aspects of the diagrams were posted to the list a while back.
A search of the message archives would turn them up. It also
helps if you've done the Rose I, I think.

I also seem to recall thinking/discovering that the final
steps of the Rose I in OFTC result in the more closed "bud"
version, and some modification is required to get the full
blooming configuration shown in the main photo in OFTC.

Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 19:45:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: Douglas Zander <dzander@solaria.sol.net>
Subject: Re: Kawasaki's Rose: Help!

> Jin Lin
>
 if you give me your address I could send you a version that is on the
 archives

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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 20:09:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: Dennis Brannon <brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com>
Subject: RE: folding vs. sculpting

>> How about just calling it "lifelike origami"?  You are breathing life into
     the model
>> with those sculpted muscle curves, eyebrows, nostrils, etc.
>> Or maybe "sculpted origami"?

>Hmmmm... Isn't most sculpted origami of the free form type which is hard
>or impossible to diagram and very difficult to reproduce two times in a row?

I don't know about the "most" bit.  Don't most of Yoshizawa's models use
     sculpting?
But you bring up a good point - "sculpted" is ambiguous.  So how about "free
     form" instead?

Lifelike origami - bring the figure to life.
Free form origami - the free form type of curves and geometric shapes.
Modular origami - any takers?
Weaving origami - Swedish Star, etc.
Bizcard origami - Business cards
Math origami - left as an exercise for the reader...8^)
and so on.

Or keep it simple - its all folding paper - so just call it Origami.

>Any thoughts on special diagramming techniques for sculpted origami?
yes.  3 suggestions/options/alternatives:
1) Its an art form that should be unique each time you fold the model
    and so just some verbal guidelines should be provided.
2) No diagrams, just a video of the hands and voice of the creator folding the
    model.  Videotape or one of the popular animation formats (QuickTime, AVI,
     MPEG)
3) Virtual reality.

dennis

---
Dennis Brannon
brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com





Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 20:35:34 -0300 (ADT)
From: Postcards <postcards@postcards.com>
Subject: Origami Network (origami.net)

Just a note that the InterNIC has claimed the site will be distributed
by tonight.  The server is already set up, so

http://www.origami.net should answer as soon as your name server is updated.

The Origami Network hopefully will be more than just another collection
of links.  Those who need a place for their files can get space, and a
reasonably large amount of diskspace has been allocated to this.

Performance will also be better than most larger systems as well too,
especially during peak hours.

If you need a place for your origami files, separate from your regular
home pages, or like some have your origami files spread over a bunch of
different servers, or on hosting companies that plaster it with ads, you
might want to check into this.

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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 23:17:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mike and Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Kawasaki's Rose: Help!

Jin Lin wrote:
>
> This is probably old news to everyone else, but I've just gotten wind
> of this fable called Kawasaki's Rose. Problem is, I can't seem to figure
> out *what* book it's in.

Yes, OFTC is the right book for the original rose.  Kawasaki is not the
author of the book - it is common practice for authors to include models
by other creators (with permission!).  Just last summer I saw several
copies of OFTC available at Kinokuniya bookstore in NYC, so you may find
copies still if you are persistent.

The rose in the archives is a newer version with a better lock, but much
harder and more time consuming to fold.  There is a "Kawasaki Rose"
listed in the class list for the OUSA convention.  It is being taught as
a complex model, so I am assuming it is the newer version that is being
taught - does anyone know for sure?

You can find the newer rose at:

file://ftp.rug.nl/origami/models/rosekawa/index.htm

If you try to fold this, there is one small error in the diagrams at
step 24.  The solution is to extend the fold in step 24 to get the
result diagrammed in step 25.  In other words, the diagonal valley fold
should extend through 4 squares instead of 3, the vertical moutain fold
should be moved to the right by one square, and the horizontal mountain
fold should move down one square.

Janet Hamilton

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