




Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:43:42 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Japanese paper doll making.

<<Amazon.com lists it in their catalog, but says it will take 4 to 6
<<weeks to ship (a special order item). Perhaps Sasuga can get it
<<faster if it is still in print.

Thanx, Pat. I hadn't had a chance to check amazon.com or your hamilton site.
I suspect it is still in print though since this was 1992, the eighth printing,
and
a Japanese publisher (the book is in English, though the translation is
obviously
by an ESL person.  I wonder if perhaps it isn't sort of the "standard work", and
so
going on getting printed in Japan.

The introduction mentions that doll making is a craft practiced traditionally by
young girls (perhaps still is, when they're not studying computer science or
international finance :-) and states that directions for dolls used to appear
routinely in Japanese general origami books.

The directions *are* a little vague in places, but there are
photos. I think perhaps that the dollmakers are better at doing than describing.
However, I think any "crafty" person could follow them (I haven't tried it yet),
and the results are also obviously a matter of the talent, artistry and
craftsmanship
of the dollmaker.

One other interesting thing: the dollmakers, who apparently also make the
special
papers for doll making, are designated "regional" (or "national") "treasures"!
While the origami masters, and origami have never been accorded that status.
I think Joseph Wu said once that origami is still regarded widely in Japan as
a children's pastime and not an art or craft of sufficient "standing" for a
"living national treasure".

I'm having a ghost of a recollection, too:

when I was 6 or 7 years old, I stayed with an adult cousin's fiance during their
wedding preparations (she was making all the dresses, etc. and I was the flower
girl). Anyway, she had a complete collection of what I remember as the "Honey
Bunch"
series of little girl's books, and there was one about a World's Fair, or
perhaps it
was the Pacific Exposition in the 20's (??) (for which "Treasure Island" in San
Francisco
Bay was built.). "Honey Bunch" (the little girl who is the main character in
these books)
went to the exposition, wandered around, got lost I think, and ended up in the
Japan
Pavilion, where they had beautiful Japanese dolls. I think they had silk faces
with
painted features (the paper ones may have silk faces, too, perhaps, but are
often
featureless) and elaborate kimonos and hair dresses. She was shown how to
make one; I was fascinated at the time. I never played with dolls much, but did
like
to sew elaborate costumes for them.  Does this story ring a bell
with anyone?

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:50:07 -0300 (ADT)
From: jcubero@mailhost.magicnet.net (Javier Cubero)
Subject: Origami Sighting

I was flipping through channels and stopped on HGTV - Home & Garden
Television.  They have a show called "What's your Hobby?" - and guess
what was being featured?  Origami, of course.  The gentleman being
interviewed, and his wife, had quite a lot of models, and a whole room
devoted to papers, models, etc.  The couple's names were Terry and
Karen Hall (If I remember right), and they showed the host how to fold
a paper cup.  They showed off a number of models, including an array
of Fuse boxes, some insects that must have been Lang's, and two
elephants <1cm long.  The segment was about 5-7 minutes long.  Anybody
know these folks?

--
Javier Cubero                         GTI Telecom, Inc.
jcubero@mailhost.magicnet.net         Orlando, Fl.





Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 15:15:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: RA Kennedy <kennedra@isdugp.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Japanese crane story

My father has just sent me the summer 1997 copy of the wildfowl and
wetlands magazine. It contains diagrams for the crane. There is some
background on cranes, and their significance in Japanese culture. There
is also a short, apparently famous Japanese folk tale called

"The Crane Wife"

"Once upon a time, a poor man married a lovely lady who wove fine
beautiful cloth.  The husband sold the cloth and became rich.  The
beautiful wife asked her husband for only one promise: that he would
never watch her weave.  For many days the husband kept his promise
until one day he was so overcome with curiosity he could not stop
himself from peeping through a crack in the door of the weaving room.
There, in the middle of the room, stood a tall elegant crane, which
he had rescued many days before.  She was pulling out her own
feathers and weaving them into the cloth.  The husband fainted at
the sight.  When he came to, his wife was beside him.  She told him
the truth.  Her true identity discovered, she left him, in sorrow for
ever."

Has anyone come across this story before, or perhaps variations on this
theme?

Bye

Richard K.
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 15:34:07 -0300 (ADT)
From: Brian Nice <bnice@ccci.org>
Subject: Japanese crane story -Reply

>>"The Crane Wife"
   ...< part deleted> ...
>>Has anyone come across this story before, or perhaps
>>variations on this
>>theme?

Yes, I think this is a pretty popular Japanese story. I have
the story written in Japanese Hiragana. It has a different tile,
though I can't remember what it is (It has been a while since I
have read it)

The crane in the story that I have is a little girl. And older
man finds (rescues?) a young girl somewhere and takes her
back home. The young girl is thankful for being taken in by
the older man and his wife, and to show her appreciation,
starts weaving beautiful things for them. However with one
condition, that they never look into the room where she is
weaving. The man then takes the weavings to town and
sells them.

One night, curiosity gets the better of the wife and she peeks
in as the girl is weaving and she turns out to be a crane who
is pulling her own feathers out. Upon being found out, the girl
says that she must now leave. She turns into a crane and
flies away.

Well, it's pretty similar to your tale. I enjoy reading it, though it
takes me a while to read all the Hiragana!

Brian
bnice@ccci.org
Orlando, FL





Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 15:58:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com>
Subject: bird base crease pattern

 Here's a little origami theory for you.

 What creases are included in the traditional bird base?

 The ones I am in doubt about are the four creases that form a square
 at the center of the paper that is rotated 45 degrees from the original
 square. Two of these creases are formed when you do the petal folds.
 All four of these creases are formed *if* you "fold down the top of the
 ice-cream cone."

 In _Folding the Universe_, Engel includes the square. (p. 18 of the
 Vintage edition) This seems like a pretty good source to me, but then
 I realized that *my* bird bases only have two of these creases, because
 I no longer bother to fold down the point.

 Does it really matter? No one is going to call me on it, but I wonder what
 the general opinion is.

 Lisa
 Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com
 Boston, MA





Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 16:07:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: pat slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: Hina Doll Sites.

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From: "pat slider" <slider@stonecutter.com>
To: origami
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 12:00:44 +0000
Subject: Japanese paper dolls
Priority: normal

Well, I was about to respond to a personal note and decided that a few
others might enjoy these links so....

A while back I did a web search when I was about to buy my own copy of
the "Japanese Paper Doll" book. I never really discovered anything
specific about the Shimotsuke paper dolls detailed in that book, but
here's various info on paper dolls to be found on the web. You will
notice that these sites are all associated with the traditional
Japanese holiday Hinamatsuri (I've seen this called in English either
Doll Festival or Girls Festival) on March 3rd. (Might be fun if OUSA
had their own "hina doll" festival, yes?)

An extensive description of the holiday:

http://mothra.rerf.or.jp/ENG/Hiroshima/Festivals/36.html

The Kyoto musuem has some wonderful pictures of hina dolls here:

http://www.kyohaku.go.jp/mus_dict/hd04e.htm

Much more elaborate than the ones I am familiar with from my
books.

An extensive site on hina dolls....not all pape. Links to other
hina doll sites plus some diagrams for the Emperor:

http://home2.highway.or.jp/hinachan/hinadoll_e.html

Some more information about the traditional spring exhibit of dolls at
the Hokyo-ji Temple in Kyoto plus "floating hina dolls":

http://www.kyoto-np.co.jp/kp/koto/saijiki/saijiki_e.html

Perhaps this isn't that exciting a site, but I'm intrigued by the
picture of the dolls at the Hokyo-ji Temple.

You can see a lot of other hina doll sites online too, but
these w3ere some of my favorites. But just go to
http://www.altavista.digital.com and type in:

+hina +doll +festival

Add "+paper" if you want to specialize.

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 18:28:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: hannap@juno.com (Hanna E Passmore)
Subject: Japanese, not origami...

Hi everyone,
I have been studying japanese for the past year in college, and although
the year didn't go so well, I really enjoy the language.  Now that school
is out and I have time to enjoy folding again I have discovered how fun
it is to be able to make out some of the sentences in my origami books
that are in japanese.  The problem is that my knowledge of Kanji is not
good enough to really be able to read much of anything in japanese books.
I have searched my local bookstores for a kanji dictionary, but the only
one that I found was over $70.  Does anyone know of a good (with in a
students budget) Kanji dictionary?  thanks for any help anyone can give.
-Hanna (HannaP@Juno.com)





Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 12:34:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: The Aronson's <aronson5@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Honey Bunch

Well Valerie,
You've awakened an old love!  I used to read any and all Honey Bunch books I
could get my hands on, but alas, I remember none.  Oh well.  I wonder if
they still print those.
Ellen





Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 12:36:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: bird base crease pattern

> Here's a little origami theory for you.
>
> What creases are included in the traditional bird base?
>
> The ones I am in doubt about are the four creases that form a square
> at the center of the paper that is rotated 45 degrees from the original
> square. Two of these creases are formed when you do the petal folds.
> All four of these creases are formed *if* you "fold down the top of the
> ice-cream cone."
>
> In _Folding the Universe_, Engel includes the square. (p. 18 of the
> Vintage edition) This seems like a pretty good source to me, but then
> I realized that *my* bird bases only have two of these creases, because
> I no longer bother to fold down the point.
>
> Does it really matter? No one is going to call me on it, but I wonder what
> the general opinion is.
>
> Lisa
> Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com
> Boston, MA

I think that Engel was trying to show that there was a more intricate
design in the bird base in addition to the four kite form petals.  The bird
base is usually shown with all four petals down, in whidh case there is no
need for any crease of the center square.  The bird base is often shown
with the front and rear petals up, whidh requires two of the lines of the
inner square, particularly if one is going on to create the traditional
crane.  Even then when showing only the creases the two extra creases are
not always shown.  When I refer to a bird base as a starting position I
usually refer to the bird base with all petals down.  The drawing is more
compact that one with two petals folded up.  The choice is then usually
either two or no lines of the square.  In  Modern Origami in making the
eight point star the center square is sunk, leading to formation of four
additional points.  To bring out this design advantage it is useful to put
in the four creases.  James M. Sakoda, origami dollar bill foldings in pdf
form:  http://idt.net/~kittyv





Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 12:37:01 -0300 (ADT)
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: bird base crease pattern

At 03:58 PM 5/30/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
> Here's a little origami theory for you.
>
> What creases are included in the traditional bird base?
>
> The ones I am in doubt about are the four creases that form a square
> at the center of the paper that is rotated 45 degrees from the original
> square. Two of these creases are formed when you do the petal folds.
> All four of these creases are formed *if* you "fold down the top of the
> ice-cream cone."
>
> In _Folding the Universe_, Engel includes the square. (p. 18 of the
> Vintage edition) This seems like a pretty good source to me, but then
> I realized that *my* bird bases only have two of these creases, because
> I no longer bother to fold down the point.
>
> Does it really matter? No one is going to call me on it, but I wonder what
> the general opinion is.

This is not a qualified answer, but I do have a theory on this. Some books
describe the bird base as having various initial positions, which vary on
the orientation of the large flaps. This orientation, of course, would
affect the number of central creases. I would say, in all likelyhood, the
"correct" birdbase position is the one with two points pointing up, and two
poining down. This is becase this is the position that is used to make two
of the classic birds; why else would they call it the "birdbase"?

Marc





Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 12:37:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: Re: Origami Sighting on HGTV

>I was flipping through channels and stopped on HGTV - Home & Garden
>Television.  They have a show called "What's your Hobby?" - and guess
>what was being featured?  Origami, of course.  The gentleman being
>interviewed, and his wife, had quite a lot of models, and a whole room
>devoted to papers, models, etc.  The couple's names were Terry and
>Karen Hall (If I remember right), and they showed the host how to fold
>a paper cup.  They showed off a number of models, including an array
>of Fuse boxes, some insects that must have been Lang's, and two
>elephants <1cm long.  The segment was about 5-7 minutes long.  Anybody
>know these folks?

I was wondering if "What's Your Hobby" would ever feature origami.  Since it
seems to be based in California, I figured that a west coast person would be
tapped if anyone would.  Shame on Terry Hall for not cluing the rest of us
in!!!!! :-)

Does anyone know the repeat schedule of HGTV?
Terry, will you have a tape at OUSA 97?

Carol Hall
chall@scsn.net





Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 12:37:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: Re: Japanese crane story

>"The Crane Wife"
>
>"Once upon a time, a poor man married a lovely lady who wove fine
>beautiful cloth.  The husband sold the cloth and became rich.  The
>beautiful wife asked her husband for only one promise: that he would
>never watch her weave.  For many days the husband kept his promise...snip

>Has anyone come across this story before, or perhaps variations on this
>theme?
>

In the U.S. there is a children's book published by Mulberry Books, an
imprint of William Morrow & Co., titled _The Crane Wife_. Published 1979.
"Retold by Sumiko Yagawa, Translation fromt he Japanese by Katherine
Paterson, Illustrated by Suekichi Akaba."  The illustrations are pen and ink
and watercolor, with no indication of any relation with the origami crane.

In a Note to the Reader in the back: "'The Crane Wife' is perhaps Japan's
most loved folktale.  It has been made into plays, movies, and even an
opera.  Every year thousands of Japanese will go to see some version of the
story as well as read it or tell it to their children."

Very interesting to ponder how various cultural precepts are instilled and
reinforced through folk tales such as these -- and every culture has them.

Carol Hall
chall@scsn.net

There is, by the way another Mulberry Book with a crane theme: _The Paper
Crane_, by Molly Bang. 1985.  This one was a "Reading Rainbow" book -- a
book featured on that PBS television show for children.  This one is
illustrated in papercuts, collage, and photos of origami cranes.  I assume
that it is a story original to Molly Bang.  It is a story of a mysterious
man who leaves an origami crane in lieu of payment at a struggling
restaurant, and the crane brings various kinds of good luck.





Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 12:37:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Dirk's Box Book (Was: "Bad Book")

There has been some discussion of Alexandra Dirk's book
"Origami Boxes" lately. This is an English edition of a
book that first appeared in German. The English edition
is published by Sterling, which is on many folders'
"black list" for allegedly publishing origami books by
authors who use other people designs without credit to
the original artists.

  Alexandra Dirk
  Origami Boxes for Gifts, Treasure & Trifles
  Sterling Publishings Co.  ISBN 0-8069-9498-9

The Dirk book is, as has been noted here, about how to
make square origami boxes from what are easily recognizable
as Tomoko Fuse designs. There is one model, the last and
most complex, that I do not specifically recognize as a
Fuse design (and I haven't yet checked all my Fuse box
books). (Dirk calls it a High Wide Box; it has a 3D X
on the lid, and the lid sits down inside a slope-sided
box, rather than outside.) However, even this box is
clearly Fuse technique, Fuse "engineering", construction
methods, etc., and the X-shape on the lid I have seen in
Fuse published works.

This is not, of course, a case of copyright infringement, as
the method of making an origami model is not copyrightable. And
though diagrams and books are copyrightable, Dirk is not
copying Fuse's diagrams per se, so the publisher is on safe
ground from a copyright standpoint. Plus, about half of the
diagrams in this book are photos. (I personally prefer traditional
diagrams, and in some of these photos the folder's hands plus
the distortion of perspective make it hard to see what is going
on.)

What is offensive about this book, however, is it's violation of
common origami ethics. Most of these basic square Fuse box
designs are already available in English publications. And if some
of these models *are* Dirk's own inventions or her own variations
on Fuse designs, it would have been vastly preferable (and more
acceptable to the origami community) for her to clearly state
which were her developments and which the basic Fuse designs.

In fairness, however, although the text has such phrases as
"our models", the Introduction does contain the following
(which is better than no acknowledgement at all):

  "The Origami master Tomoko Fuse, who is well known in Japan and
  considered the most important female artist of the modern
  "Modular Origami," developed and perfected this technique. It is
  based on partial elements that are folded equally and, through
  putting them together, form complex geometrical forms like cubes
  and polyhedrons as well as pretty boxes."

(One wonders why the "female artist" qualification was thought
necessary; is there a more creative, prolific, or published
**Modular Origami** artist than Tomoko Fuse, regardless of gender?)

Then, (perhaps to avoid copyright problems?), some of the
diagrams do not show optimal procedures for making the boxes.
The "High and Wide" box diagrams have a mistake in the very first
step (in order for the piece to appear as in Step 2, one must
start color up it step 1 and turn in over for step2.) Moreover,
the vertical center crease shown in step 1 is unnecessary and causes
a "messyness" problem later when making the 3D X on the box top.
All that is needed is a center mark, better made by a marking crease
perpendicular to the full diagonal crease of step 1. Then Step 1
can also start "white up" with no problem. Forming the lid rim,
which is essentially a "Shen Square Dish pleat" operation, is shown
in photos, not too clearly in my opinion.

Finally, the book suggests using "newspapers" for the boxes; good
for a chuckle anyway. :-)

If you want to make boxes, spend a little more and get a genuine
Tomoko Fuse Box Book.

Valerie Vann
75070.04@compuserve.com





Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 12:38:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: terryh@lamg.com (Terry Hall)
Subject: Re: Origami Sighting

Javier,

Yes, I know these folks because I am the Terry Hall and my wife, Karan, is
the other half. We live in Santa Monica, California and have a whole room
dedicated to origami. When the tv crew came to our house they spent 4 hours
shooting material. We have only seen one segment that they sent to us, which
was different from the one that you saw. We belong to the West Coast Origami
Guild and publish, edit, mail the monthly newsletter. Karan also acts as the
treasurer and I also act as the secretary. It is a lot of work but we like
origami, so we do it.

Terry Hall





Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 12:38:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: hull@MATH.URI.EDU
Subject: Re: origami sighting

Yo yo yo,

Rick wrote:

>>>
This morning I saw a commercial on the television for a
national sale that Dodge is having.  The commercial has
a dollar bill folding itself into the shape of a car.
>>>

Yeah, I saw that too.  I recently saw it a second time, and although
I don't think I could reproduce it ofhand, it did seem like
a legitimate origami fold!  It seems to start off with a few
judgement folds, i.e., without landmarks, and the finished model
didn't look all that hot to me - but it looks cool on TV because
they morph the origami dollar car into a real car.

I wonder who is respolsible for the fold?

--- Tom "watching too much TV" Hull





Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 12:38:41 -0300 (ADT)
From: Fred Gullatt <kaduku@cdepot.net>
Subject: Sakura-matsuri (Cherry blossom)

 I was lucky enough to attend the cherry blossom fest. in Nihonmachi or
Japan town in San Francisco not too long ago. I had to call in sick to be
able to go but, i was glad, to meet new people ,learn and talk about Origami
,look at the models other people brought with them, it was a very exciting
and fun event , i can not wait to see how the convention in San francisco
will be like , it will be a lot better and fun , i bet.

sincelry
 fred





Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 12:39:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Re: perimeter of napkin problem

>>>>
A few weeks ago there was some discussion of the napkin problem
of folding the unit square to get something with perimeter
bigger than four....I checked
Robert's [solution and] calculation, and verified the 4.4 [as the perimeter
of a shape you can get from the Bird Base.]
I still don't know of how to get a significantly bigger perimeter;
does anyone know the maximum possible?  Preferably with followable
instructions or proof if you do!
<<<<

I don't know if this qualifies as a "followable proof," but here is at least
an outline of a demonstration that there is no upper bound on the perimeter.

If you make an order-N "sea urchin" from a unit square (the sea urchin in
_Origami Sea Life_ on p. 147 of the 2nd edition is order-4), you wind up with
(N+1)^2 points of length (1/N) and N^2 points of length z/N, where z =
sqrt(2)-1 = 0.414. All of these points are relatively fat, but you can make
them all arbitrarily thin by repeatedly sinking their edges. If you do this
and then splay out all ((N+1)^2 + N^2) points, you get a star whose total
perimeter approaches the limit of P->2((N+1))^2+zN^2)/N. The Bird Base
solution I described earlier is the case (N=1, P->4.414). But clearly, as N
approaches infinity, the upper limit on the perimeter is unbounded.

Robert J. Lang
rjlang@aol.com

P.S. My new book, _Origami in Action_, has hit the streets and should be
available at the OrigamiUSA Convention. See you all there!





Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 12:39:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: Teik Seong <tkteik@mbox2.singnet.com.sg>
Subject: Scorpion Trouble

Hello ...

        Can anyone out there can provide some tips on the scorpion found in
page 203 of the book 'Folding the universe' steps 43-45...
How did those two pieces come out of nowhere?????

Thanks!

Teik.





Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 12:40:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: Vulcano <vulcano@br.homeshopping.com.br>
Subject: RE: bizcard origami @ amazon.com

Hallo,

Try Fascinating Folds, you can reach it through Joseph Wu's home-page. Some
time ago I've ordered some Japonese origami books, and I had no problems at
all. Payment is made by credit card and people there is really great.

Lilian - Rio de Janeiro

At 12:44 29/05/97 -0300, you wrote:
>My Father in-law ordered a book from Amazon.com also his very first
internet purchase.
>
>He got the bookmark but that was it.    They forgot to put the book in that
package.
>
>I'm not slamming Amazon, I just think it's a funny story.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  Valerie Vann [SMTP:75070.304@compuserve.com]
>Sent:  Saturday, May 17, 1997 8:19 AM
>To:    Multiple recipients of list
>Subject:       bizcard origami @ amazon.com
>
>If you order books through the big bookstore on the Web,
>amazon.com, you've found an amazon.com bookmark in each
>order (backorders=separate shipping=more bookmarks).
>The bookmarks are fairly heavy cardstock with semi-glossy
>finish and brilliant color designs: so far I've had two
>different designs, one sort of jungle-ish (Amazon?) and
>the other with alphabet letters.
>
>If you cut one of these in half, guess what you get?
>2 perfect USA business card rectangles!
>Not biz card size, bigger, but the right 4:7 proportions!
>
>Two bookmarks=4 cards ==> one of my bizcard cuboctahedrons.
>3 bookmards=6 cards==one of Jeannine Mosely's "cubies"
>(the basic unit she's building a fractal of...)
>
>--valerie (always seeking new sources of "found paper", especially
>biz card size :-)
>
>Valerie Vann
>75070.304@compuserve.com





Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 12:41:43 -0300 (ADT)
From: Vincent & Veronique <osele@worldnet.fr>
Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Ant

Le 29 May 97,  notre cher Allen Parry crivait:

> > I there a web page (or more) where we can see these ants ?
> My intent is to take pictures of each of the ants and putting them on a web
> page.  Diagrams are something else...each designer would have to give
> permission to diagram them....politically, this could be difficult.....

I totally agree that. If it is possible for some ants, tell us here,
please.

> Question???  Do you know Eric Joisel?

Yes

>  Do you know if he speaks English?

I see him talking with M. Lafosse in our French convention.

> I'm putting together the annual for the West Coast convention of OUSA and I
> wanted to ask him if we could include one of his models in our annual.....

Sure he would be pleased to do. He published a rat (? sort of mouse),
a dragon, and a... coq (?) (chicken male :-)) in our convention book.

> word for Hedgehog.....most then proclaim their French as being rusty, do to

Herisson !

Good idea but... I heard that Eric don't know anymore how he do this
thing !!!! Not sure about the model, but I think it's this.

Do you loose the steps of your creations some time ?

Vincent
 _______                                                     _____
|       | Osele Vincent (Toulouse/France) Membre du MFPP    /|    |
|       | osele@mygale.org                                 /_|    |
|       | http://www.mygale.org/09/osele/origami.htm      |       |
|_______| -----------------> ORIGAMI -------------------> |_______|





Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 12:42:02 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Convention Report

Hi All,

I just returned from the Origami Deutschland Convention which
took place in Wuerzburg from May 30 to June 1. It was a very
interesting Convention, Kunihiko Kasahara being the "special
guest", showing his truly fascinating models and an exhibition
of his and other creator's work at the Siebold Museum. Other
highlights were Gay Merrill Gross telling us her Origami Stories
("papertelling"), Jan Polish showing some biz card folds (how
IS that star supposed to hold together, Jan?) and Sebastian Kirsch
with a table full of some truly amazing box-pleated Soma cube
models (Sebastian, is there a short name for that stuff?).
And, of course, John Cunliffe with his own unique show.

The origami-l delegation consisted of Doris Lauinger and
Sebastian Kirsch from Germany, Jan Polish from the USA, David Lister
from England, and myself from Switzerland (no group pictures
I'm afraid ;-> ).
A longer report and possibly a few fuzzy pictures will appear at my
website within this week. (I hope).

Good night now,

Matthias





Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 12:42:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: Michael Bobrow <bobrow@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Japanese, not origami...

>Hi everyone,
>I have been studying japanese for the past year in college, and although
>the year didn't go so well, I really enjoy the language.  Now that school
>is out and I have time to enjoy folding again I have discovered how fun
>it is to be able to make out some of the sentences in my origami books
>that are in japanese.  The problem is that my knowledge of Kanji is not
>good enough to really be able to read much of anything in japanese books.
>I have searched my local bookstores for a kanji dictionary, but the only
>one that I found was over $70.  Does anyone know of a good (with in a
>students budget) Kanji dictionary?  thanks for any help anyone can give.
>-Hanna (HannaP@Juno.com)

The problem is that there are so many combinations, most good kanji
dictionaries are pretty big. If you can read hiragana, try one of the kanji
dictionaries written i japanese. Otherwise I'm afraid you will need to fork
out 50-0 bucks. A great teaching text, "Kanji and Kana" published by tuttle
is fairly inexpensive and includes a number of definitions, a required bool
for anyone trying to learn the language!

Mike

____________________________________________________________
Michael Bobrow
You can find the University of Rochester Dermatology Web Page at...
http://www.rochester.edu/MED/DERM





Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 12:42:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: Phil Hiestand <SkyHook@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: ORIGAMI-L digest 736

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>>Anyway, if you're interested in making these traditional
dolls, you might see if your library has a copy of this
book, or perhaps find a copy through your favorite used
book dealer or finder service.>>

I found a book a long time ago entitled:
      Paper Dolls of Old Japan  by Taeko Yamanashi
      Published by Toto Shuppan Company, LTD. Tokyo, Japan
                          Charles E. Tuttle Company, Inc., Rutland =
Vermont
                          First Printing, 1961

The introduction "On Paper Dolls" states:

      "In Japan little girls from days of old have played a game called =
'mamagoto asobi' (playing house).  Dolls are used to act the ritual of =
dinner or the entertaining of guests in imitation of the daily life of =
adults, and it is as the 'heroines' of these games that 'Anesama' dolls =
have developed.
      These dolls are simple things made of paper with the emphasis put =
on the hair style.  Hands and feet, and sometimes even the face are =
completely ignored.  As these dolls can be made by anyone their =
development in the different parts of Japan show individual =
characteristics.
      It seems these paper dolls began to be made about the 18th century =
(the middle of the Edo period), a time when the women of Japan put great =
emphasis on the beauty of hair styles.  From this the young girls =
probably felt a great desire to have elegant hair and made the "Anesama' =
dolls with images of beautiful maidens or brides in mind.
      The young girls of that time did not have the variety of fine toys =
available today, and the 'Anesama' dolls were their only play friends.  =
The grace and atmosphere of that old period can be felt in these =
unsophisticated figures.  These dolls, which carry the engaging mood of =
Japan, have been passed down to the present from mother to daughter and =
from elder sister to younger sister, but today these forms have almost =
completely disappeared and are barely continued as toys in remote areas =
and among enthusiasts.
      The seven 'Anesama' dolls appearing in this book have the emphasis =
put on their hair styles, but added to that is the beauty and interest =
of the old Japanese 'kimono', especially the 'obi' (belt).  These dolls =
range from the very simple to the very complicated.
      At this point we would like to draw your attention to the fact =
that most of the 'Anesama' dolls are made to be seen from behind, =
because interest centers on the hair style and on the 'obi'.  =
Accordingly, they should be exhibited with back fully in view."=20
                             End of Introduction
--Phil Hiestand
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Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 12:43:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Charles Knuffke <knuffke@sirius.com>
Subject: Lang's Origami in Action!

Just got back from attending a friends wedding in the Boston area (Peabody
specifically). While there I stopped into a Borders Books and Music, and
sitting innocently on a shelf in the Origami Section I found a single copy
of Robert Lang's newest book "Origami in Action - Paper Toys that Fly,
Flap, Gobble, and Inflate".

I was aware that the book was going to be out soon, but I didn't remember
hearing on the Origami-L that it had actually made it to the bookstores.
Well, start checking your local shops, cause it should be there soon ;-)

The book is published by St. Martin's Press, and is ISBN # 0-312-15618-9.

Good Hunting!

*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Charles Knuffke       "Amen the Thunderbolt in the Dark Void"
San Francisco, CA                              -Jack Kerouac
mailto://knuffke@sirius.com

Check out the Pacific Coast Origami Conference Website at:
http://www.sirius.com/~knuffke/PCOC.html





Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 12:44:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: MrsCalbash@aol.com
Subject: Is anybody out there?

Hello the Origami-list!

This is both a test and a cry for help.  Either nobody on the list has posted
for some 48 hours--which seems unlikely--or the list gremlins have gone after
me yet again.  I finally got a response to a review origami-l request, which
reveals that I haven't been unsubscribed, but my set origami-l mail ack
request has produced no detectable response.  Both of which are tricks I
learned before from helpful listers.

So now, I figure if I send this to the list and I receive it, I'll know that
things are working and people have just been keeping mum.  Or else maybe it
will make it to the list and somebody will send me some advice, directly.  Or
else maybe it won't make it to the list because I have become origamically
nonexistent or something--even though I swear I haven't touched glue or
scissors in weeks (or a vacuum or dust cloth, to get personal).

Any help or reassurance that I still exist would be most welcome.

Lost in cyberspace,
Les Blanding





Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 12:44:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: Arlene Anderson <aanderso@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us>
Subject: Re: Japanese paper doll book

The book is available from Lark Books, 55 College Street, Asheville North
Carolina 28801

Fax 704-253-7952
Toll Free 800-284-3388

(Lark Books seems to be a distributor for Random House according to Books
in Print) and deals with 'art' books.

For some reason their catalog came to my house. I ordered the book about a
month ago. The catalog also had a paper doll paper kit. I don't have the
catalog with me to give you more detail on cost.

Arlene Anderson                aanderso@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us





Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 12:44:51 -0300 (ADT)
From: Arlene Anderson <aanderso@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us>
Subject: Re: Japanese crane story

On Fri, 30 May 1997, RA Kennedy wrote:

> My father has just sent me the summer 1997 copy of the wildfowl and
> wetlands magazine. It contains diagrams for the crane. There is some
> background on cranes, and their significance in Japanese culture. There
> is also a short, apparently famous Japanese folk tale called
>
> "The Crane Wife"
>
> "Once upon a time, a poor man married a lovely lady who wove fine
> beautiful cloth.  The husband sold the cloth and became rich.  The
> beautiful wife asked her husband for only one promise: that he would
> never watch her weave.  For many days the husband kept his promise
> until one day he was so overcome with curiosity he could not stop
> himself from peeping through a crack in the door of the weaving room.
> There, in the middle of the room, stood a tall elegant crane, which
> he had rescued many days before.  She was pulling out her own
> feathers and weaving them into the cloth.  The husband fainted at
> the sight.  When he came to, his wife was beside him.  She told him
> the truth.  Her true identity discovered, she left him, in sorrow for
> ever."
>
> Has anyone come across this story before, or perhaps variations on this
> theme?
>
> Bye
>
> Richard K.
> (R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)
>

There is a wonderful story called 'The Crane Maiden' by Miyoko Matsutani
and illustrated by Chihiro Iwasaki. copyright 1968. Parents Magazine
Press. An old couple take in a girl that comes to them in a snow storm.
She weaves beautiful cloth for them-as long as they don't watch her
weave-but alas, wife gets curious and discovers a beautiful crane at the
loom plucking feathers from her body and weaving them intothe cloth. After
being seen, the girl can no longer weave, stay with them. She goes through
the door, turns into crane and flies away.

I just discovered a similar version in a book called 'Mysterious Tales of
Japan. Reintroduced by Rafe Martin and illustrated by Tatsuro Kiuchi, this
is a collection of about 10 Japanese Folk Tales. Included is the Crane
Maiden. Copyright 1996, Putnam ISBN 0-399-22677-X

Arlene Anderson                aanderso@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us





Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 12:45:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: Aurora Lozada <alozada@notes.cc.bellcore.com>
Subject: -No Subject-

Does anyone of you live around New Jersey that has the Origami for the
Connoiseur book?  I've ordered one but it would not be available until next
year.  I even called the publisher.  I would like to borrow one if I could and
make copies of it temporarily until I have the book.  I like to try the rose in
there.  A good copy of that page is all I need.





Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 13:11:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: Teik Seong <"Teik Seong"@singnet.com.sg>
Subject: (no subject)

Sorry again, testing the list again. Sorry.





Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 13:11:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Bateman A. G." <agb@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: perimeter of napkin problem

Rjlang@aol.com wrote:
> If you make an order-N "sea urchin" from a unit square (the sea urchin in
> _Origami Sea Life_ on p. 147 of the 2nd edition is order-4), you wind up with
> (N+1)^2 points of length (1/N) and N^2 points of length z/N, where z =
> sqrt(2)-1 = 0.414. All of these points are relatively fat, but you can make
> them all arbitrarily thin by repeatedly sinking their edges. If you do this
> and then splay out all ((N+1)^2 + N^2) points, you get a star whose total
> perimeter approaches the limit of P->2((N+1))^2+zN^2)/N. The Bird Base
> solution I described earlier is the case (N=1, P->4.414). But clearly, as N
> approaches infinity, the upper limit on the perimeter is unbounded.

In theory this is correct, but in reality paper thickness plays a big
part. A point cannot be made arbitrarily thin, After several repeated
sinks the point becomes thicker than it is wide. I think at this point
the point cannot be made any thinner ,notwithstanding using bigger paper
;-)

Perhaps this should be a practical rather than theoretical issue, on
second thought, I cannot face folding anymore 81 point sea urchins.

Alex

--
- Alex Bateman
- MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology
- agb@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk
- Phone: (01223) 402479
- http://www.mrc-cpe.cam.ac.uk/jong/agb/origami.html





Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 14:01:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: candice bradley/daniel byrne <candice@samara.co.zw>
Subject: of pigs and rabbits

Hi there.  Just tried folding Joseph Wu's "When Pigs Grow Wings . . ."
for the first time.  The rump and wings turned out great, but the front
-- well, it looked more like a cartoon bloodhound -- Clifford! -- with
wings!  Didn't help that I used red paper with black on the reverse.

But I would really like to find a *wonderful* realistic rabbit.  The
rabbits I've folded are, well, dumb.  I don't want another cereal box
rabbit to fold.  Any leads on good rabbits?  I'd even settle for a hare.

Candice Bradley





Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 14:01:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: pat slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: Re: OFTC

> Does anyone of you live around New Jersey that has the Origami for the
> Connoiseur book?  I've ordered one but it would not be available until next
> year.  I even called the publisher.  I would like to borrow one if I could and
> make copies of it temporarily until I have the book.  I like to try the rose
     in
> there.  A good copy of that page is all I need.

"Available until next year"? Who said this? Are they going to reprint
this?

As for gaining a copy of it temporarily, why not try interlibrary
loan? Your local librarian can help you with this. Theoretically you
can get books from any library in the U.S., and there are copies of
this book about. Might cost you a dollar or two....

I've gotten to see a few out-of-print titles via interlibrary loan.
Takes a few weeks, but the system does work.

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 14:01:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: pat slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: Re: Is anybody out there?

Well, Valerie Vann has figured this out more than I have, but seems
like the list mail wasn't get sent out to ANYONE. A different
problem then the "postpone" phenomenon..

But I got 28 messages this morning so seems the problem has been
solved. Some of these messages were sent a few days ago so I don't
think any mail has been lost.

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 14:02:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: devmc@oeonline.com
Subject: Jun Maekawa

Can anyone tell me where I can find a diagram for folding Jun Maekawas
gargoyle? I've also heard it called "devil" or "oni".
        I saw a picture of it in "Origami from Angelfish to Zen" and would love
to learn it.
-=[Devin]=-





Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 14:02:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Theil <theil@htonline.com>
Subject: Origami-L: re: Japanese Crane Story

Richard Kennedy said: "Has anyone come across this story before, or perhaps
variations on this theme?"

and Carol Hall said: "Very interesting to ponder how various cultural
precepts are instilled and reinforced through folk tales such as these --
and every culture has them."

Not only does every culture have it's own myths, but as Joseph Campbell has
documented, many myths are cross-cultural. THE CRANE WIFE reminds me of the
Cupid/Psyche myth as re-told in C.S. Lewis' magnificent TILL WE HAVE FACES.
The theme seems to be (crudely put): Curiosity killed the cat. Don't you
wonder why so much intellectual energy over the ages has been put into
interdictions against the search for truth (or at least, the search for
informatiion)? Very often these interdictions are phrased in religious
terms indicating that there is a higher truth that cannot be learned
through the senses. Do you think that folding lends itself to this kind of
mystical experience?

I will go out on a limb and admit myself to be a pragmatic folder, even
though folk-wisdom and mythology says I am the poorer for it.

Linda Theil
theil@htonline.com





Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 14:02:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Weekend listserver failure

As some list members have noted, there was no traffic from
the list after about 5pm Pacific Time Friday May 30. A
couple of us did some investigating. I started Friday
evening, as since the list troubles started this year I
keep 2 subscriptions running on separate services, and
they've never before been dumped at the same time.

I had also sent messages to the list and received no
error message, as if the list had become a black hole.

Re-subscribe messages failed to even generate an error
message, so I concluded the listserver and/or its host
network were down in some major way. Checking out the
host site (I won't go into the details of that here)
suggested that the IP was undergoing major upgrade of
hardware and/or mail software.

The listserver directories at nstn contained the May 97
traffic for origami-l (which I downloaded), but the
5pm PDT Friday May 30 message was the last message
when I checked again Saturday.

As some, nstn.ca appears to be back in business this
morning June 2, and messages sent after Friday afternoon
were apparently stored at the host and now are being
sent out by listserver again. No mail appears to have
been lost, though if you sent something and it doesn't
show up from origami-L today, you might re-send,

Hopefully, if the host IP did upgrade hardware and mail
software, some of the problems we have experienced with
the listserver may be cured too. Wouldn't that be
great!!

Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 14:02:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: NO Question re file format

Does anyone know what form of file encoding or
compression has a file extension of .Z ?

I assume this is some kind of Unix system format?
What program is available for PC that will decode it?

Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 14:03:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: pat slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: British remaindered books.

Here's one to go alongside your http://www.hamiltonbook.com....

http://www5.red.net:80/postscript/

In the UK, but unlike Hamilton's they do ship overseas. No origami
books right now though :-<.

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 14:28:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: Marcia Mau <marcia.mau@pressroom.com>
Subject: Chinese Origami Sightings

While we were dining on Saturday night, we watched Cantonese karaoke on
laser discs.  The background for one of the songs was Chinese lucky stars
and woven ribbon fish.

I am collecting Chinese joss paper folds.  A cousin in Hawaii sent me one
made from 18 units which are glued and cut.  They form a flat sunflower or a
lampshade.  For those of you who belong to CHAOS, this is the model I
brought when I visited a few years ago.

In Malang, Indonesia last month I made a donation at a temple to acquire a
"flower" made of 18 units.  The priest used a rubber band to hold them
together. The step of easing the folds to make the units 3-d reminds me of
folding the sampan.

I wonder if there is any significance to the number of units (18).  I'm also
curious about the purpose of these modular creations.  I don't think they're
meant to be burned but I'm not sure.

Marcia Mau
Vienna, VA USA
marcia.mau@pressroom.com





Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 15:06:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@erols.com>
Subject: [NO]Re: Japanese, not origami...

At 06:29 PM 5/30/97 -0300, Hanna wrote:
>I have searched my local bookstores for a kanji dictionary, but the only
>one that I found was over $70.  Does anyone know of a good (with in a
>students budget) Kanji dictionary?  thanks for any help anyone

I have one called "Japanese Character Dictionary" by Mark Spahn/Wolfgang
Hadamitzky, published by Cheng & Tsui Company, ISBN 0-88727-170-7. I
bought it from Kinokuniya for $39.95. Is this still beyond budget?

You need to be familiar with radicals to find words quickly. Or you
would be frustrating. I would suggest you join some Japanese language
learning/discussion mailing list. You can learn Japanese electronically.
Plus Japanese kanji can be easily searched/lookup using computer.

You can still go for paper dictionary If radical lookup is more fun and
challenging to you.

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Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 15:10:34 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Jun Maekawa

devmc@oeonline.com wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me where I can find a diagram for folding Jun Maekawas
> gargoyle? I've also heard it called "devil" or "oni".
>         I saw a picture of it in "Origami from Angelfish to Zen" and would
     love
> to learn it.
> -=[Devin]=-

The only diagram I know is in Viva! Origami in Japanese by Kasahara.
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Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 15:21:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@erols.com>
Subject: Re: of pigs and rabbits

candice bradley/daniel byrne wrote:

> But I would really like to find a *wonderful* realistic rabbit.  The
> rabbits I've folded are, well, dumb.  I don't want another cereal box
> rabbit to fold.  Any leads on good rabbits?  I'd even settle for a hare.
>
> Candice Bradley

My favorite rabbit is Robert Lang's rabbit in Origami Zoo. You may need
to use paper-backed foil or wet folding technique.

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Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 15:27:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@erols.com>
Subject: Re: NO Question re file format

Valerie Vann wrote:
>
> Does anyone know what form of file encoding or
> compression has a file extension of .Z ?
>
> I assume this is some kind of Unix system format?
> What program is available for PC that will decode it?
>

Yes. .Z is a popular unix compression format. You can get comp/uncomp
for DOS in

http://www.cdrom.com/pub/simtelnet/msdos/compress/comp430d.zip

Good luck!

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