




Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 23:37:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Why a Paper Square?

     I think that there is a simple answer to the question as to why
present day paper folding is done primarily with a square.  Origami as we
know it today was first fully developed by the Japanese, regardless of
where it may have first been discovered and pursued in other countries.
Even though paper such as hanshi is rectangular, and paper for writing with
a brush was usually a long roll of paper, traditional origami began with a
square sheet.  The crane was perhaps the most admired of the early
creations, but I believe that the basis of early origami rested also on the
triple blintz fold, which produced the yakkosan, with a face and wide
sleeves, the komuso or komoso, modified from the yakkosan could be imagined
to be a wandering priest playing a flute, which in turn by pulling out a
pair of corners which had been folded in could be changed into a hakama, a
kind of skirt worn by men.  Inherent in the square is the ab ililty to
recreate itself, while at the same time adding four new points.  A single
blintz fold, which the Japanese refer to as a zabuton-ori because it
reminds them of a typical manner of sewing a cushion, forms a square, while
at the same time increase the number of points to eight.  A second blintz
fold  produces  four squares, one at each corner, which has the remarkable
property of being able to be seen as a face or opened up into a pair of
wide sleeves reminencent of the Japanes kimono.
     The bird base, used to create the attractive crane, which has come to
represent origami at its best, revealed the potentiality in a new
direction, away from the boxiness of the blintz fold, to a more attractive
form, represented by the kite form.  With later development of the blintz
bird base there was demonstration that it was possible to increase the
number of points from four to eight, with all of the points the same size
with the four extra ones at the corner.  It became  possible to form
insects with six legs, a head and tail without much difficulty.  Sinking
the center square formed by the top portions of the four points, as I found
in Modern Origami, produced four different points.  It is this ability to
produce squares and kite form points that provides the square with its
strength as a basis for folding.  Stretching the two two opposite points of
a bird base provides a longish form .  These properties of the square makes
it a desirable base to pursue the search for new figures.
     Working with the odd dimenions of the American dollar bill with a 3 x
7 proportion makes me realize how difficult it is to work with.  However,
if one is searching for a longish boxlike figure it has its advantages over
the square, and it would be a mistake to insist that one should not use
other than a square in the pursuit of new figures to fold.
     The point of all of this is that historically origami began with a
square and continus to rely upon its viersatility, although increasingly
other shapes are also being used.
James M. Sakoda, origami dollar bill foldings in pdf form:
http://idt.net/~kittyv





Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 07:41:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@erols.com>
Subject: Re: models

PErick3491@aol.com wrote:

>  For myself, could someone tell in what publication I
> might find van Goubergens cat.

Try ...

I. the convention pack for the Bristol '97 convention of the British
Origami Society.

II. '97 OUSA Annual Collection (quoted from Marc)

III. "der falter" No. 21

Good luck!

|------------------------------------------------------\
|  _     Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) <chens@asme.org>     |\
| |_| Folding http://www.erols.com/sychen1/pprfld.html --\





Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 07:42:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: JacAlArt@aol.com
Subject: Re: Help needed with Engel's alligator

The leg flaps have an upper and a lower flap. Simply tuck the upper flaps
into the lower flaps. (If your 'gator is facing right, valley the top leg
flaps to the right -- the pocket opening opens in the center. As you fold the
flap back to the left, slide it into the pocket on the left.)

~Alec





Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 07:42:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: mplewinska@mindspring.com (Magdalena Cano Plewinska)
Subject: Re: origami nightmares?

In message <01IJAKSMJ0HK8WW2FB@tntech.edu>, on Sun, 25 May 1997
18:50:37 -0300 (ADT), Malachi Bubba Johnson Brown <MBB3892@tntech.edu>
wrote:

>To be honest, I did not mean for this discussion to turn into a flame war.

LOL! You've never seen a real flame war if you thought this was one :)

This was an opinionated but civil exchange of opinions. After all, if
you couldn't express a differing opinion to someone without being
called a flamer, what would be the point of mailing lists?

   - Magda Plewinska
     Miami, FL, USA
     email: mplewinska@mindspring.com





Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 09:26:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Aurora Lozada <alozada@notes.cc.bellcore.com>
Subject: -No Subject-

I've received tons of mails about how to pronounce Fuse's name. templates, web
rings and cutters but only one about my request.  I need help in trying to find
a lady, girl or woman figure in a nice dress or gown.  I only received one
response to this.

If you also have ideas on party favors (preferably flowers in miniature size)
please let me know where I can get it.

I just got back into Origami  a month ago since I've decided to make party
favors in Origami. I just bought Fuse's book in Multidimensional
Transformations. I used to fold for fun as a kid but mostly birds, cranes,
baskets and boxes.  It was interesting to find out that Origami has evolved or
I've just found out that it has more to it.  Going through books from Barnes
and Nobles on Origami was interesting.  I'm halfway through Fuse's book, the
instructions were easy to follow.

If anybody has any ideas to my above request, please do send my an e-mail.

Thanks,
Aurora





Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 11:17:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: Teik Seong <tkteik@mbox2.singnet.com.sg>
Subject: Re: models

PErick3491@aol.com wrote:
>
> diagrams and models, which I will send.  However, she asked for a star folded
> from a strip of paper.  Does anyone have the directions for this or
> information about where I could find the directions.  I will have to copy

Hi Perick,

        This model is actually quite simple, I do not know of any sources, but
I will briefly explain myself here. To begin with, tie a knot with this
strip of paper at one end and flatten it so that it is a 'tight' knot.
This knot will be in the form of a pentagon shape. If you get this part
correct, the rest is simple. :) Simply wrap the strip of paper round and
round the edges of this knot and finally tuck in the last of the strip
into any available pocket. Now, you can pinch the points of the pentagon
have any good and difficult diagrams that you would like to share? These
origami books are usually too expensive for me to buy and there are no
clubs here in Singapore for me to join, at least not that I know of. <G>





Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 11:24:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: richardd@redac.co.uk (Richard Davies)
Subject: Re: Why a paper square ?

> > We have a discussion on the french origami list about this question :
> > why do we use mostly square paper for origami ?
> > It is not the most standard piece of paper, so why ?
> > Religious considerations ? Symetry ?
>
> Engel has the best answer that I have seen in "Angelfish to Zen". The
> square is the only geometric shape that is a rhombus and has four
> equal angles. It's symetrical in in all directions. Great essay in
> that book, I won't try to paraphrase it here!

There may be a psycological reason. I ripped off a rectangular piece of paper
yesterday to use as 3 fast bookmarks and decided to split it lengthways to
     produce
long-thin strips, but then turned my brain off and actually turned the paper
around and got 3 short-fat (squarer) strips before I noticed.

Of course this can be reversed.. Origami makes us think of squares, rather than
     we
conceive of squares as most natural, hence origami.

What came first, the square or the crane?  :)

Cheers,

Rich

Richard Davies                Tel:         01684  294161 (ext 328)
Software Engineer             Fax:         01684  299754
Zuken-Redac Ltd                E-Mail:       richardd@redac.co.uk
Tewkesbury. UK                 Home: richard@fionavar.demon.co.uk





Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 15:07:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: Maldon7929@aol.com
Subject: Re: Models

Pat,

I'm trying to narrow down my collection of origami books. There is a copy of
Origami Made Easy by Kunihiko Kasahara which I find very clever, but to
simple to hold my attention.  If your friend can recieve books in prison I
will be happy to forward it to you.

The "Star" you refered to sounds like the "Chinese Lucky Star" diagramed in
the Gay Merrill Gross book titled "The Origami Workshop".  (Originialy
publisked under the title "Art of Origami".) The description of the folding
technique outlined by Teik Seong is accurate. If you can't locate diagrams
e-mail your address my way, and I'll make copies.

Anything for a peace activest.

Maldon Wilson





Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 15:32:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: Brett Askinazi <brett@hagerhinge.com>
Subject: Re: Hamilton catalog now online!

Whats the URL PAT ?

Brett
brett@hagerhinge.com

----------
> From: pat slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject: Hamilton catalog now online!
> Date: Sunday, May 25, 1997 1:49 PM
>
>
> ok, I've listed remaindered books from the Edward R. Hamilton
> catalog before, and now I am quite happy to say that they are online.
> This is a great resource for cornering origami titles as they go
> out-of-print. They list a few newer titles too these
> days....overstocks.





Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 16:02:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: RA Kennedy <kennedra@isdugp.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: models

> folds I taught her a long time ago.  She recently wrote asking for some
> diagrams and models, which I will send.  However, she asked for a star folded
> from a strip of paper.  Does anyone have the directions for this or

This is a variant on a model in one of Tomoko Fuse's books. I believe it
may be 'traditional'?

Take 2 1x4 strips of paper, and:

 ++++++++++++++++++++++++*+++++        +++++*+++++++++++++++++++++++++
 +*                       *   +        +   *                        *+
 + *                       *  +        +  *                        * +
 +  *                       * +        + *                        *  +
 +   *                       *+        +*                        *   +
 +++++*++++++++++++++++++++++++        +++++++++++++++++++++++++*+++++

(mirror images!), the *** are 45 degree valley folds. Continuing on with
the left hand unit:

 +++++.++++*++++*
  +   .   *    *.+
   +  .  *    * . +
    + . *    *  .  +
     +.*    *   .   +
      *++++*++++.+++++

(sorry, I can't do ASCII drawings with the proper aspect ratio). The
result is a strip, with a sort of zig-zag shape:

          +
          ++
          + +
          +  +
          +   +
          oooooo         Precrease the two mountain folds (oooo)
         +.   +
        + .  +           .... is a slot in the module, into which a
       +  . +            point can be inserted from left or right.
      +   .+
     oooooo              This drawing shows the top face of one of
      +   +              the modules.
       +  +
        + +              Lay the two modules (which are mirror images)
         ++              on top of one another, back to back, and
          +              perpendicular to one another:

                     +
                     ++
                     + +
                  *  +  +
                 ^*^ +   +
                ^ * ^oooooo
               ^  * +.   +         ^ is the outline of the lower unit.
              ^^^^*+ .  +          Using the creases made earlier (***)
                  +  . +*^^^^      fold the two points of the
                 +   .+ *  ^       lower module in (left and right), slip
                oooooo^ * ^        the points into the pockets of the
                 +   + ^*^         upper unit. Turn over, and repeat on the
                  +  +  *          other side (creases ooo of the diagram).
                   + +
                    ++
                     +

The result is:

                  *
                  **
                  ***.....
                  ***   .
                  ***  .
                  .  ***
                 .   ***
                .....***
                      **
                       *

Folding this model is MUCH easier than trying to describe it using ASCII
diagrams!

Bye

Richard K.
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 16:06:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: pat slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: Re: Hamilton catalog now online!

> Whats the URL PAT ?

ok ok....the full URL:

http://www.hamiltonbook.com/

enjoy.

>
> Brett
> brett@hagerhinge.com
>
> ----------
> > From: pat slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
> > To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> > Subject: Hamilton catalog now online!
> > Date: Sunday, May 25, 1997 1:49 PM
> >
> >
> > ok, I've listed remaindered books from the Edward R. Hamilton
> > catalog before, and now I am quite happy to say that they are online.
> > This is a great resource for cornering origami titles as they go
> > out-of-print. They list a few newer titles too these
> > days....overstocks.





Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 16:57:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: The Magic of Origami...

In reply to my query regarding the creditting of model creators in _The
Magic of Origami_ by Alice Gray and Kunihiko Kasahara, several people
pointed out that the creators are creditted at the bottom of the
pages.

Sure enough, when I went back to look, there they were!  I just had to change
the way I was holding the book!

Thanks!

-Doug





Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 23:41:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Ant Search

     I have been working on an ant for a couple of weeks and have finally
arrived at a satisfactory solution.  I dislike responding to challenges
because it can be frustrating and lead to use of force to achieve a result
which is not promptly forthing coming.  However, responding to a challenge
can lead to new ways of folding, which can be fruitful.  I remember that
when I was asked some time ago to fold a unicorn, I was not able to come up
with one right away, but after some effort came up with one, which turned
out to have  heads at both ends, which I dubbed as Dr. Doolittle's
Pushmi-Pullyu.
     My basic approadh to dollar bill folding has been the diagonal diamond
shape, which is obtained by folding in opposite corners.  I discovered this
base a long time ago and was able to fold the six point star, following the
Modern Origami's Eight Point Star procedure.  The two side points from the
diamond shape were too short to form points of a star, but I have been able
subsequently to rescue by means of the stretched bird procedure to form
usable legs for the giraffe and other creatures.  I could not work out legs
for the ant, even when I opened out the folded-in corners.  I have a fairly
good ant folded from a square, which depended upon the blintz bird base.
This produced six legs, a head and a body without too much difficulty.  I
offset the center and was able to stagger the legs, and was only partially
successful in achieving a wasp-waist.
     I looked at Peter Engel's dollar bill crab in Folding the Universe
(Vintage Books, 1989), but decided not to be a copycat.  Instead I turned
to box-pleat folding, which I had examined in Fold, Issue 53, 1994, and
produced without too much difficulty a turtle, an insect and a crabe, using
a square piece of paper.  The crab required a 32 x 32 grid on a square
paper, while the insect required only a 12 x 12 grid, with points at the
four corners and the four sides.  With a dollar bill, however, all I could
work out at first from a 24 x 10 grid were four legs on each side with no
extra points possible on the short end.  With each leg requring four grid
lengths on each side there was no room for a head or body.  I was hoping
that I could work out the head and body in some way after the legs were
formed.  I happened to open out the center legs into a box pleat, and there
was the head and body stretched across the short distance of the bill in
one unit, a natural for a head and body, which left only four legs, two on
each side. I tried reducing the length of the legs to three units, which
made the legs too short.
      I finally went to a 32 x 10 grid, which produced  a head and body,
two units wide, across the center of the bill with two sets of 4 unit legs
on both sides, making up eight legs in all.  One of the easiest achievement
was the wasp-waist, which could be achieved simply by squeezing the two
sides beween the head on one side and tail end on the other.  I first tried
to fold the center of the head-body unit under to form a solid top rather
than showing the accordion-pleated ends by folding up.  But only by showing
the ends could the legs be displayed properly.  Also, the paper did not
hold the creases as tightly as I wanted, and I used a paper clip to hold
them into position until they learned to hold together more closely.  I
have tried spraying the Hell Bank Notes which I was using with acrylic
spray, which stiffened the paper a little and give it more holding power.
However, it also made the paper likely to crack along the crease line.  I
have thought of wettling tdhe center section held by paper clips to set it,
but have not tried it yet.  The head and body sections at the ends could be
opened out and held in position by pushing against the accordion=pleated
center.  I wondered how to distinguish the head from the rear end body,
since they were of the same size and shape.
     Another problem was the need to hide two of the legs, since there were
eight of them.  It would have been possible to turn two of them into
antennas, but they seemed to fat for that, even after they were thinned
down by folding in half.  They could be tucked under the head and hidden or
use as the bottom part of a mouth or they could be folded back.  I folded
them back, which left a little stub, and helped make a little distinction
between the front and badk units.  Then I tried according folding them back
and this led not only to their disappeaarance, but also the lengthening of
two of the legs and the rear end.  I now had a longer rear end and a pair
of longer legs at that end, which made the ant more interesting.  I am a
little disappointed in the extent to which one can narrow the legs, since I
am used to working with foil paper which allows for considerably narrower
legs.
     This is the version I will be displaying at the New York convention.
If any of you have a dollar bill fold or two to display there will probably
be enoiugh room on the table I have requested for my dollar bill folds..
Just let me know ahead of time.
>James M. Sakoda, origami dollar bill foldings in pdf form:
>http://idt.net/~kittyv





Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 04:27:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: Maarten van Gelder <M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: Earlier date for: II A.E.P. International Origami Convention

>From Spain I got a message that the A.E.P has advanced the convention date in
Zaragoza (their 15th anniversary) to 12, 13 and 14 of September, so it won't
coincide with the dates of the BOS convention (their 30th anniversary).

For people outside Europe:
   If you want to combine a visit to the BOS and the AEP conventions, it is
   time now to come to Europe and meet European Origamists (and also other
   international Origamists).

Now that the dates are changed I plan to go to both conventions.
I include the text sent before (with corrected dates):

==========================================================================

II A.E.P. INTERNATIONAL ORIGAMI CONVENTION

Where is it?
        Zaragoza's University (Spain)
        Colegio Mayor Pedro Cerbuna in the
        University City, c/ Domingo Miral s/n.

When is it?
        12, 13, 14, September 1997
        Start: Friday September 19 at 16:00
        End: Sunday September 21 at 17:00

What is it?
        It's a meeting of keens on Origami - beginners, enthusiasts or
        veterans, open  to all paperfolders in the world, during which
        you might find:
               *Exchange of experiences.
               *Demostrations by renowned international masters
               *Courses at different levels
               *Public exposition of the provided models
               *News and unpublished models
               *A publication with diagrams of the models sended by
                enthusiasts from everywhere.

How to take part?
        *Registrering oneself in the Convention
        *Sending diagrams of original models
        *Sending folded original models to the exposition
        *Registering oneself in the paper folding courses

More info?
        e-mail:
               emnpata@zar.hnet.es
               lbas@arquired.es
               julza@encomix.es

===========================================================================

Maarten van Gelder,           Rekencentrum RuG,  RijksUniversiteit Groningen
M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl                            Nederland





Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 06:20:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: Marcia Mau <marcia.mau@pressroom.com>
Subject: Rotary Fabric Cutters

I noticed some Olfa Rotary Fabric Cutters yesterday at TJ Maxx.  They were
available in 3 sizes: 15MM, 40MM, and 60MM and priced at $6.99 to $8.99,
about half of the suggested manufacturer's retail price.  Before I buy one,
I'd like to know if there is more control over cutting paper w/ a larger or
smaller diameter cutter.  Thanks.

Marcia Mau
Vienna, VA USA
marcia.mau@pressroom.com





Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 06:32:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: Laurie Bisman <lbisman@ihug.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Book request

I have the book, but I think from memory it is Maying Soong

Laurie Bisman
lbisman@ihug.co.nz

----------
> From: Penny Groom <penny@sector.demon.co.uk>

> I have had a query from a new member of the BOS wanting to know the
> author of 'The Art of Chinese Paperfolding',





Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 08:10:01 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Bateman A. G." <agb@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Crane diagrams on the web?

Hi All,
       Can anyone direct me to some diagrams of the traditional crane on
the web. Please reply to me personally rather than the list.

Thanks

 Alex Bateman

- MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology
- agb@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk
- Phone: (01223) 402479
- http://www.mrc-cpe.cam.ac.uk/jong/agb/origami.html





Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 09:11:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: DLister891@aol.com
Subject: Re: Book request

Penny:

Yes, this book is by Maying Soong.

I may have a spare copy if anyone is really desperate for a copy.

But in five minutes I'm off to the airport bound of the Origami Deutschland
convention and I can't do anything until I return in eitht days' time.

In haste,

Love,

David





Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 11:19:41 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Sponge assembly gathering

Many of you know about my Menger Sponge building project. (If you
haven't been on the list long enough to have heard about it, see
http://world.std.com/~j9/sponge for more details.)  I just thought I'd
let everyone know how it's coming along.

I have one octant completed.  I have the tripod modules for two more
octants in boxes in the attic.  Of these, almost an octant's worth
have been panelled, and are ready for assembly.  The rest are
unpanelled.

So  ...

If you will be in the Boston area this Sunday afternoon (June 1) from,
and would like to come to an informal gathering at my house from 1-4
PM to see how the tripod modules are assembled, and perhaps help panel
a few modules, send me email privately and I will tell you when and
where.  Also, if you know someone not on this list who might be
interested in helping, please feel free to forward this invitation to
them.

Depending on how far we get this Sunday, I may be holding another such
gathering the following Sunday (June 8).

I will also be bringing the Sponge to the OUSA Convention in New York
next month.

        -- Jeannine Mosely





Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 11:52:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Kirsch)
Subject: Re: Rotary Fabric Cutters

Hi Marcia!

On Wed, 28 May 1997, Marcia Mau wrote:
> I noticed some Olfa Rotary Fabric Cutters yesterday at TJ Maxx.  They were
> available in 3 sizes: 15MM, 40MM, and 60MM and priced at $6.99 to $8.99,
> about half of the suggested manufacturer's retail price.  Before I buy one,
> I'd like to know if there is more control over cutting paper w/ a larger or
> smaller diameter cutter.  Thanks.

I have an Olfa rotary cutter with a blade 30mm in diameter. I guess that
the larger the blade, the easier it is to cut a straight line.

Yours, Sebastian               sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de,skirsch@t-online.de





Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 16:54:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: Allen Parry <parry@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Ant

> From: James M. Sakoda <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
>
>      I have been working on an ant for a couple of weeks and have finally
> arrived at a satisfactory solution.

        I am glad you are participating.  It looks like we may have
        a few people involved.  Stephen Weiss just mailed me his
        version of an ant....a totally different approach than anything
        I have seen.....very creative and brings out features of the
        mandibles.  I understand Stephen has already mailed his to
        OUSA.   Marc Kirschenbaum also responded to me in e-mail
        as to having created a model.  Another excellent creator, yet
        his work is not well known, is Yusri Johan who is also making
        a stab at an ant.  I think you'll be impressed, as I have been,
        with his designs if you get a chance to see them.

        If there are any other creators out there, taking on the challenge,
        I'd love to hear from you.  I'll be putitng together a display and I'd
        like to know how many models to prepare for.

> Also, the paper did not
> hold the creases as tightly as I wanted, and I used a paper clip to hold
> them into position until they learned to hold together more closely.  I
> have tried spraying the Hell Bank Notes which I was using with acrylic
> spray, which stiffened the paper a little and give it more holding power.
> However, it also made the paper likely to crack along the crease line.  I
> have thought of wettling tdhe center section held by paper clips to set
it,
> but have not tried it yet.

        I have tried wet folding dollars.....I failed at it.  I don't think it
        will work due to the high cotton & polyester fiber content.  If
        you do happen to have success with it, let me know.

        I have vise grips, that I use, in which I have ground off the teeth.
        I press the pleats in the vise grips for about an hour and the pleats
        seem to hold.  Also, if there is any humidity in the air, dollar bill
folds
        will fall apart.  For this reason I often will coat my models with a
        polyester resin glaze (especially if they're going to NY).  This has
        been recommended to me by others as "Jolly Glaze".  I actually have
        been using a product call "Clear Glaze".  I have tried other products
        and they have not worked as well.  The important thing is that the
        glaze is not water based.  Some attempts have expanded my folds
        and ruined them.  I do make it a rule, though, that my models have
        to be able to hold together on their own first, before I coat them.
        I personally would feel it would be unfair to rely on the coating to
        keep the model intact.

        I am looking forward to seeing your approach to the design of the dollar
        bill ant.      The creativity of the various designers is amazing.
     Every
person
        is so unique in their methodology....ways I would never have began to
        conceive of....I think everyone seeing the various approaches will be
        astonished as I have been so far.

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 16:57:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: Allen Parry <parry@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: models (star & cat)

Pat,

There is also the sixteen point star which can be found in the book titled
"Origami Today  Lifestyle Origami" by Jay Ansill.  Published by
HarperPerennial.  ISBN 0-06-096867-2  This star is made of four strips of
paper.

I also know that van Goubergens cat will be coming out in this years OUSA
convention annual.  This may be an easier way of getting the diagrams for
the model.

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 17:49:02 -0300 (ADT)
From: pat slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: Re: Rotary Fabric Cutters

> On Wed, 28 May 1997, Marcia Mau wrote:
> > I noticed some Olfa Rotary Fabric Cutters yesterday at TJ Maxx.  They were
> > available in 3 sizes: 15MM, 40MM, and 60MM and priced at $6.99 to $8.99,
> > about half of the suggested manufacturer's retail price.  Before I buy one,
> > I'd like to know if there is more control over cutting paper w/ a larger or
> > smaller diameter cutter.  Thanks.
>
> I have an Olfa rotary cutter with a blade 30mm in diameter. I guess that
> the larger the blade, the easier it is to cut a straight line.
>
> Yours, Sebastian               sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de,skirsch@t-online.de

It is my understanding from our local quilt shop that the larger
sizes are made for those who want to cut multiple layers of
fabric. (These things are originally designed for quilters, you
know.)

Anyway, if you are only cutting single sheets of paper, I
should think the smaller size would work fine. And generally I think
smaller tools give you more control than larger, similar to the
difference between a ball point pen and a crayon :->. I don't think
there would be much discernable difference between the different
sizes of Olfa cutters though. Perhaps if you were using them for
paper sculpture versus origami squares/triangles.

hmmmm. Actually, I suddenly wonder about trying to cut multiple
squares at once. I would think there would be a drop in
precision. I'll have to try this with gift wrap sometime.

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 17:52:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: Earlier date for: II A.E.P. International Origami

Maarten wrote:

>For people outside Europe:
>   If you want to combine a visit to the BOS and the AEP conventions, it is
>   time now to come to Europe and meet European Origamists (and also other
>   international Origamists).

And if you can afford a further couple of months you can add the Italian
Convention, too ! (Dec. 6-8) Almost a Grand Slam.... :-)

Roberto





Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 20:28:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: Robert Allan Schwartz <notbob@tessellation.com>
Subject: Re: Sponge assembly gathering

>Many of you know about my Menger Sponge building project. (If you
>haven't been on the list long enough to have heard about it, see
>http://world.std.com/~j9/sponge for more details.)  I just thought I'd
>let everyone know how it's coming along.
>
>I have one octant completed.  I have the tripod modules for two more
>octants in boxes in the attic.  Of these, almost an octant's worth
>have been panelled, and are ready for assembly.  The rest are
>unpanelled.
>
>So  ...
>
>If you will be in the Boston area this Sunday afternoon (June 1) from,
>and would like to come to an informal gathering at my house from 1-4
>PM to see how the tripod modules are assembled, and perhaps help panel
>a few modules, send me email privately and I will tell you when and
>where.  Also, if you know someone not on this list who might be
>interested in helping, please feel free to forward this invitation to
>them.
>
>Depending on how far we get this Sunday, I may be holding another such
>gathering the following Sunday (June 8).
>
>I will also be bringing the Sponge to the OUSA Convention in New York
>next month.
>
>       -- Jeannine Mosely

Jeannine, I tried posting directly to you, but the mailer demons bounced it
back. Sorry to everyone else.

I'm not certain if I will be able to make it, but I would like to get
directions, just in case.

If there are any other times when people work on the sponge, especially
Saturday afternoon/evening, I would be interested.

Thanks,

Robert

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Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 21:08:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: Richard Hunter <rhunter4@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Book request

Yes, the author is Soong.  I was just looking at my copy and it cost a
whopping $1.95 when I purchased it!

Richard Hunter





Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 22:37:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Ant

>       I have tried wet folding dollars.....I failed at it.  I don't think it
>       will work due to the high cotton & polyester fiber content.  If
>       you do happen to have success with it, let me know.
>
>       I have vise grips, that I use, in which I have ground off the teeth.
>       I press the pleats in the vise grips for about an hour and the pleats
>       seem to hold.  Also, if there is any humidity in the air, dollar bill
>folds
>       will fall apart.  For this reason I often will coat my models with a
>       polyester resin glaze (especially if they're going to NY).  This has
>       been recommended to me by others as "Jolly Glaze".  I actually have
>       been using a product call "Clear Glaze".  I have tried other products
>       and they have not worked as well.  The important thing is that the
>       glaze is not water based.  Some attempts have expanded my folds
>       and ruined them.  I do make it a rule, though, that my models have
>       to be able to hold together on their own first, before I coat them.
>       I personally would feel it would be unfair to rely on the coating to
>       keep the model intact.
>

>Allen Parry
>parry@eskimo.com

     The Jolly Glaze  is probably Joli Formafilm Strengthener.  It is an
acrylic hardener for plastic films made into such things as flowers using a
wire loop.  It used to be available in some hobby shops.  I have used it
with folded figures from foil paper and does a good job of hardenening it
withouit making it too stiff.  I have not used the material for some time,
but evidently from the discussion of it in the past it is still available.
It is made by the Joli Plastics and Chemical Corporation, Gardena, Calif
90247.  By the way, I wouild not set up rules as to what is legitimate and
what is not.  Wet folding in essence hardens paper in the drying process.
Heavy coating is used to make origami durable enough to wear as a pin.
Some would say that using a clamp is not legitimate because the paper does
not hold its own by itself.  To eadh his own.  Tke end result can justify
the means.

     I will probably be working on my version of the ant, but will bring an
extra copy for your display at the New York convention.  James M. Sakoda,
origami dollar bill foldings in pdf form:  http://idt.net/~kittyv





Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 23:18:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: JacAlArt@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Ant Search

Any chance of getting diagrams for this?





Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 03:48:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: mplewinska@mindspring.com (Magdalena Cano Plewinska)
Subject: Re: models

In message <970526203954_1955977453@emout12.mail.aol.com>, on Mon, 26
May 1997 21:42:59 -0300 (ADT), PErick3491@aol.com wrote:

>diagrams and models, which I will send.  However, she asked for a star folded
>from a strip of paper.  Does anyone have the directions for this or

I have directions for a star made from four long strips of paper. They
happen to be in French, but I think the diagrams are clear enough. If
this is what you want, I can mail you a Xerox copy. Let me know.

   - Magda Plewinska
     Miami, FL, USA
     email: mplewinska@mindspring.com





Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 06:50:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Kirsch)
Subject: Re: Rotary Fabric Cutters

On Wed, 28 May 1997, pat slider wrote:
> should think the smaller size would work fine. And generally I think
> smaller tools give you more control than larger, similar to the
> difference between a ball point pen and a crayon :->.

Yes, but the point here is that you don't want more control over the
cutting process. The problem is not that a smaller knife offers more
control, it is that it demands more control. You have to monitor it more
closely, and if your attention slips for a second, you get a misled cut.

When cutting a piece of paper, all I want is one swift, straight, clean
and reliable cut. I don't want control over the cut, I just want the cut
to be exactly along the ruler. Let the cutter find its way itself, so you
are less likely to make errors.

I think that it is easier to make a straight cut with a larger blade
because the part of the blade that lies on the surface is bigger.

Yours, Sebastian               sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de,skirsch@t-online.de





Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 08:50:22 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Michael J. Naughton" <mjnaught@crocker.com>
Subject: RE: Sponge assembly gathering

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Jeannine Mosely wroge:

> Many of you know about my Menger Sponge building project. . . .

Hi Jeannine -

I tried to respond privately, but I can't get through (it doesn't like
     "concentra.com"?)
Is that still your address?

Mike Naughton
mjnaught@crocker.com

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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 09:40:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: rick@tridelta.com (Rick Bissell)
Subject: origami sighting

This morning I saw a commercial on the television for a
national sale that Dodge is having.  The commercial has
a dollar bill folding itself into the shape of a car.

Did anyone else see this?  I was caught off guard and it
went by so fast that I wasn't able to tell if it was a
legitimate folding pattern or not.

   -- Rick





Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 10:58:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Re: Sponge assembly gathering

A couple of people on the list tried to reach me yesterday, and had
their mail bounce.  According to our site admin, we had a problem
yesterday with most of the mail from the outside bouncing.  They
claimed the problem originated with InterNIC, the folks who maintain
the domain name tables.  (A friend on the outside told me that the
symptoms we were experiencing were identical to those that his company
experienced when they forgot to pay their bill ;-) ) Anyway, the
problem is fixed.  I am astounded that this did not result in my being
summarily dropped from this list.

        -- Jeannine Mosely





Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 12:43:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Brett Askinazi <brett@hagerhinge.com>
Subject: RE: bizcard origami @ amazon.com

My Father in-law ordered a book from Amazon.com also his very first internet
     purchase.

He got the bookmark but that was it.    They forgot to put the book in that
     package.

I'm not slamming Amazon, I just think it's a funny story.

-----Original Message-----
From:   Valerie Vann [SMTP:75070.304@compuserve.com]
Sent:   Saturday, May 17, 1997 8:19 AM
To:     Multiple recipients of list
Subject:        bizcard origami @ amazon.com

If you order books through the big bookstore on the Web,
amazon.com, you've found an amazon.com bookmark in each
order (backorders=separate shipping=more bookmarks).
The bookmarks are fairly heavy cardstock with semi-glossy
finish and brilliant color designs: so far I've had two
different designs, one sort of jungle-ish (Amazon?) and
the other with alphabet letters.

If you cut one of these in half, guess what you get?
2 perfect USA business card rectangles!
Not biz card size, bigger, but the right 4:7 proportions!

Two bookmarks=4 cards ==> one of my bizcard cuboctahedrons.
3 bookmards=6 cards==one of Jeannine Mosely's "cubies"
(the basic unit she's building a fractal of...)

--valerie (always seeking new sources of "found paper", especially
biz card size :-)

Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 12:53:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: C1ollage@aol.com
Subject: Re: bizcard origami @ amazon.com

please unsubscribe
Thank you





Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 13:02:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: Allen Parry <parry@eskimo.com>
Subject: Beer & Dollar Bills, does it work?

I had a personal response to my e-mail and I was wondering if
anyone else out there has experience with this?
In the future, I may be taking to heart the old adage,
"Don't cry over spilled beer" (ops, its milk, not beer...oh well)
Instead I'll be sopping it up with my dollars!    8^P

> Am following the ant parade - can't wait to see them.  Have you ever
heard
> that beer (yes, beer) is great for soaking money in before folding.  I
have
> heard it referred to as "bar folding" - the concept is that when the beer
> spills on the bar one can soak up a dollar bill and then fold it.
> Supposedly the beer makes the paper hold the fold better when it is dry.

> Though I do like beer, I have never tried soaking my dollars in it before
> folding - have you ever heard about this???

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 15:21:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Glenda Scott <gdscott@owt.com>
Subject:

I use the rotary cutter for all my cutting since I do Fabric Origami.
Where accuracy and quantity is concerned  the use of a template will
prevent the blade from causing an accident by "jumping" over the template.
A quarter inch masonite or fibreboard template with a cabinet handle
secures the paper/fabric and give the rotary cutter a solid form to bank up
against.  I can easily cut four layers of fabric and six of paper, without
any effort.

The key to success is an accurate, square template.  Quilting and fabric
stores sell plastic squares that are used for templates.

Ironically, I have not had success with even the best paper cutter although
I find it useful for "rough" cuts.  Rotary cutters have been a godsend.  I
can recommend them for a variety of uses.

Glenda Scott
http://www.owt.com/gdscott

Glenda





Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 16:43:02 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: RE: bizcard origami @ amazon.com

It *IS* funny :-)
If they send another bookmark when
they *DO* send the book, he can make
a cuboctahedron (it only takes two)

:-)

--valerie





Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 18:11:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: Contractors Exchange <contract@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: origami sighting

At 09:40 AM 5/29/97 -0300, rick@tridelta.com (Rick Bissell) wrote:
>This morning I saw a commercial on the television for a
>national sale that Dodge is having.  The commercial has
>a dollar bill folding itself into the shape of a car.
>
>Did anyone else see this?  I was caught off guard and it
>went by so fast that I wasn't able to tell if it was a
>legitimate folding pattern or not.

Nope, I did not see this, but I am under the impression most of these
commecials do not employ real origami.

I did see a really interesting origami cameo (and was alerted ahead of
time, so I could tape it). Porn star Ron Jeremy made an origami flapping
bird to pass the time away while he was on the set of a movie. To be silly,
he inserted crumpled pieces of paper in the wing pockets. Upon flapping
this bird, he was able to deem it a "crapping bird." There is no nudity in
this, so it might be interesting to bring this to the Convention.

Marc





Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 19:38:12 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Japanese paper doll book

A local used bookstore (though most of what they have
is is new condition, so I think there stock is largely
remaindered) had one copy (which I bought, of course)
of the following:

ISBN 4--07-975380-2
Shigeo & Shizuko Suwa
1976 8th printing 1992
Japanese Paper Dolls

This is not about the type of simple "flat" paper doll
that appear to be what the origami "kits" carried by
various source are. This book is about making the
fully 3 dimensional dolls dressed in beautiful paper
kimonos, with elaborate hair styles, such as the doll
on the cover of Kenneway's Origami Book. (His book
doesn't tell how to make one, which is why I've always
thought it odd that one is shown on the cover.)

Anyway, if you're interested in making these traditional
dolls, you might see if your library has a copy of this
book, or perhaps find a copy through your favorite used
book dealer or finder service.

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 21:51:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: Robert Allan Schwartz <notbob@tessellation.com>
Subject: RE: bizcard origami @ amazon.com

>It *IS* funny :-)
>If they send another bookmark when
>they *DO* send the book, he can make
>a cuboctahedron (it only takes two)
>
>:-)
>
>--valerie

Is a diagram available for your cuboctahedron?

Robert

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Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 22:37:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Ant Search

>Any chance of getting diagrams for this?

Eventually I'll put the diagram on my web site.  Until then you might study
the general approach of box pleat folding.  The starting point is a grid of
accordion pleats (32 x 10 in this case) .  Make 16 valley folds on the top
side and then turn over and make valley folds by placing one mountain
folded edge against the edge of the one ahead.  This is the most accurate
method of making accordion pleats.  Do the same in the short side of the
bill, making five valley folds, and turning over and making the accordion
pleats.  From there you make V shaped creases to outline the formation of
five points on each side.  Then accordion pleat in two directions so that
the point follows the V-shaped path.  To study this process take a piece of
square paper and accordion pleat a 4 x 4 gride.  Tken make both diagonal
creases.  Fold the windmill and then the double boat.  This gives you an
idea of how to get the five points on each side.  In the center there will
be a 2 x 2 rectangle left over, which can be sunken and the whole 10 points
can be compressed into a flat piece, as one would folding a fan.  In this
position the body can be viewed as one would like to see the wasp-waist.
The ends of the center point is opened out flat to form the head and the
rear body.  Narrow down and fold out eight legs.  You still need to  get
rid of one point on eadh side, since insects only have six legs.  Tke two
legs can be made to disappear by means of accordion pleating  along the
entire eight unit lengths constituting the point, leaving a long leg on one
side.  I think it is useful to play with the basic approadh--who knows, you
may come up with something new.
James M. Sakoda, origami dollar bill foldings in pdf form:
http://idt.net/~kittyv





Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 23:36:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Helena Verrill <helena@mast.queensu.ca>
Subject: perimeter of napkin problem

A few weeks ago there was some discussion of the napkin problem
of folding the unit square to get something with perimeter
bigger than four.  Well, Robert Lang gave a solution, which
I think I managed, and I did't think about it much more until I
just got an email from a mathematician friend who seemed
to be getting desparate, so I just put the solution Robert
gave on my web page.  I hope that is OK.  (I'm afraid I made
a mistake in the diagrams, but I'll fix it soon).  I checked
Roberts calculation, and verified the 4.4
I still don't know of how to get a significantly bigger perimeter;
does anyone know the maximum possible?  Preferably with followable
instructions or proof if you do!

I put my diagrams and calculation at
http://www.mast.queensu.ca/~helena/perimeter.html
Hope that's OK.

Helena

helena@mast.queensu.ca





Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 00:39:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.org>
Subject: Origami Sighting? :-)

Just began browsing through the August '97 issue of Games magazine
and here is what I found in the letters section. Someone is
complaining about the Hidden Contest that they had in their "infamous
April Issue." The complaint ends as follows: "Why should I, or
anyone, have to go out and buy a book and special paper for one of
your contests?"

It seems that the April Hidden Contest spelled out the message:
HIDDEN CONTEST SEND US ORIGAMI.

Here is part of the magazines response:
No one needed to buy a book or special paper to "send us origami." In
all Hidden Contests in which we ask readers to send us something
specific, we're always very liberal in what we accept, and we don't
mind creativity. In this contest, any kind of folded paper, or even
the word "origami" written on a postcard would have made a valid
entry.





Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 03:03:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: Vincent & Veronique <osele@worldnet.fr>
Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Ant

Hello,

Le 28 May 97,  notre cher Allen Parry crivait:

> >      I have been working on an ant for a couple of weeks and have finally
> > arrived at a satisfactory solution.
>       I am glad you are participating.  It looks like we may have
>       a few people involved.  Stephen Weiss just mailed me his
>       version of an ant....a totally different approach than anything
>       I have seen.....very creative and brings out features of the
>       mandibles.  I understand Stephen has already mailed his to
>       OUSA.   Marc Kirschenbaum also responded to me in e-mail
[...]

This thread about ant is very interesting, and I will be pleased if I
can see the diagrams.
I there a web page (or more) where we can see these ants ?

Vincent
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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 04:10:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: AnToi@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cutting Edge

Kinko's isn't busy at 3 AM. I'm sleeping. Just remember to take turns when
you play.

You can always bribe a hardnose with a folded giftie. Who can resist a
Montroll T-Rex? The local radio station was handing out Lost World posters at
the premiere. I am tempted to cut mine up into squares.

I have met extremely talented folders at Kinkos. Something about being around
all that paper, I guess.

Ngay Mai An Toi





Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 10:20:51 -0300 (ADT)
From: Marcia Mau <marcia.mau@pressroom.com>
Subject: Origami Sighting

In the movie Brassed Off, Gloria (Tara Fitzgerald) attends practice of the
Grimley Colliery Band.  She's greeted with:  "Tuesday was band practice,
tonight's origami."
Marcia Mau
Vienna, VA USA
marcia.mau@pressroom.com





Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:14:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: Amy <ahuang@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
Subject: Re: Japanese paper doll book

Hi there!

On Thu, 29 May 1997, Valerie Vann wrote:

> A local used bookstore (though most of what they have
> is is new condition, so I think there stock is largely
> remaindered) had one copy (which I bought, of course)
> of the following:
>
> ISBN 4--07-975380-2
> Shigeo & Shizuko Suwa
> 1976 8th printing 1992
> Japanese Paper Dolls
>
> This is not about the type of simple "flat" paper doll
> that appear to be what the origami "kits" carried by
> various source are. This book is about making the
> fully 3 dimensional dolls dressed in beautiful paper
> kimonos, with elaborate hair styles, such as the doll
> on the cover of Kenneway's Origami Book. (His book
> doesn't tell how to make one, which is why I've always
> thought it odd that one is shown on the cover.)
>
> Anyway, if you're interested in making these traditional
> dolls, you might see if your library has a copy of this
> book, or perhaps find a copy through your favorite used
> book dealer or finder service.
>
> --valerie
> Valerie Vann
> 75070.304@compuserve.com
>

        I have some japanese paper that would probably be perfect for
making these type of dolls. I was wondering if you, or anyone, would
know if there's a website for the publishing company? I would like to get
a copy of this book.

        Thanks,
        Amy

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Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:26:34 -0300 (ADT)
From: pat slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: Re: Japanese paper doll book

> On Thu, 29 May 1997, Valerie Vann wrote:

> > ISBN 4--07-975380-2
> > Shigeo & Shizuko Suwa
> > 1976 8th printing 1992
> > Japanese Paper Dolls
> >

>
>       I have some japanese paper that would probably be perfect for
> making these type of dolls. I was wondering if you, or anyone, would
> know if there's a website for the publishing company? I would like to get
> a copy of this book.

Amazon.com lists it in their catalog, but says it will take 4 to 6
weeks to ship (a special order item). Perhaps Sasuga can get it
faster if it is still in print.

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:25:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Japanese paper doll book

Also, Fascinating Folds (and Kim's Cranes also, I think)
carries the special black paper that is used to make the
doll's hair.

(FF and KC are both origami supply businesses on the Web;
links are on many personal origami pages and on Joseph Wu's
Mother Page of the Origami Nation.)

--valerie
