




Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 10:10:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: rick@tridelta.com (Rick Bissell)
Subject: [NO] Ghostview

I'm having a difficult time downloading the Ghostview program
that is needed to view/print postscript documents.

I've found the ftp site, but I'm really confused about what files
I need to download; ghostscript, ghostview, GSview, etc.

If anyone has done this recently with Windows '95 and is interested
in rescuing someone suffering from an acute case of "downloading
dementia", please email me!!!!

 -- rick@tridelta.com

(the rest of this message can be viewed by downloading the "mobius"
 software available at http://www.download.purgatory.com)  Be
 patient...it takes a while but it's *really worth it*.





Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 12:28:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@erols.com>
Subject: Re: [NO] Ghostview

Rick Bissell wrote:
>
> I'm having a difficult time downloading the Ghostview program
> that is needed to view/print postscript documents.
>
> I've found the ftp site, but I'm really confused about what files
> I need to download; ghostscript, ghostview, GSview, etc.
>
> If anyone has done this recently with Windows '95 and is interested
> in rescuing someone suffering from an acute case of "downloading
> dementia", please email me!!!!
>

You need following files for your windows '95:

ftp://ftp.cs.wisc.edu/ghost/aladdin/gs403ini.zip
ftp://ftp.cs.wisc.edu/ghost/aladdin/gs403w32.zip
ftp://ftp.cs.wisc.edu/ghost/aladdin/gs403fn1.zip
The following file is also needed if you are a 'mouse' person.
ftp://ftp.cs.wisc.edu/ghost/rjl/gsview21.zip

Follow the instruction included in gsview21.zip to install the program.
Try download them from its mirror sites
(http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/aladdin/mirrors.html) if you have hard
time from above address.

Good luck!

|------------------------------------------------------\
|  _     Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) <chens@asme.org>     |\
| |_| Folding http://www.erols.com/sychen1/pprfld.html --\





Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 12:50:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: John Marcolina <jmarcoli@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Sq Paper before or after wetting?

At 08:57 PM 5/13/97 -0300, Doug wrote:
>I have recently done a bit of wet folding (the first since the
>convention last year, time flies!) with a coworker and the subject of
>when to square the paper came up, before or after wetting.

I've been wet folding for awhile, and I've tried it both ways. When I first
began wet folding, I wet the paper after squaring it, and dealt with the
resulting rectangle as best I could. After hearing someone suggest cutting
the paper *after* wetting it, I tried that too, and I've had good results
doing it that way too - for the most part.

But wetting the paper after cutting has a drawback too, I found. Since
you're not really folding with a square, but rather a rectangle, the paper
tries to revert back to the rectangle shape when drying, and I've actually
had models warp on me. In some cases that meant that animals with 4 legs
wound up with 3 legs touching the ground and one leg in the air, for
example. I could fix these by locally wetting the paper and adjusting the
legs. In other cases I had more severe warping that I wasn't sure how to
fix. I recently folded a Montroll giraffe (from "African Animals", I think),
and it came out great, but the entire neck warped in such a way that it
pulled the head and neck to one side of the vertical plane of the body. I'm
not sure how to fix this.

Someone mentioned Michael Lafosse's method of selectively wetting only areas
be a good idea. I've tried it a few times and it seems to work. I don't know
if will prevent warping completly, since at some point the model will be
mostly wet, and you will be making folds based on segment lengths that will
change when the paper dries.

I was also wondering if aligning the paper grain with the *diagonal* of the
square might help with warping for models that are symmetrical with respect
to the diagonal. Has anyone tried this? One obvious drawback I can see is
wasted paper since large sheets always have the grain  aligned with the
paper edges, and cutting squares with the grain aligned with the diagonal
would not be an efficient way to use all the paper in a large sheet. I plan
to try this sometime though.

I general though, warping has not been a huge problem for me except in a
couple of cases. I plan to try the "wet after cutting" method going forward,
since I think it might be the way to go.

Gee, this got kinda long. Anyone else?

John Marcolina
San Jose, CA.
jmarcoli@cisco.com





Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 14:54:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com>
Subject: Re: Sq Paper before or after wetting?

I must have been involved in too many showers this spring,
because I read this subject line as:

Square paper before or after wedding?

Which reminds me, I should get back to folding cranes...

Lisa (still at 360 cranes til August)
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 15:27:43 -0300 (ADT)
From: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Kirsch)
Subject: Re: Sq Paper before or after wetting?

Hi Doug!

On Tue, 13 May 1997, Doug Philips wrote:
> convention last year, time flies!) with a coworker and the subject of
> when to square the paper came up, before or after wetting.

I usually cut a square, wet it, measure the sides to find out which is
longer, and remove a ~2mm wide strip from the longer side so it's square
again. (Paper usually only expands in one direction, so it suffices to cut
one side.) I work on a glass surface, so cutting the paper after dampening
is not a problem for me.

Yours, Sebastian               sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de,skirsch@t-online.de





Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 18:54:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Subject: Smithsonian Postal Museum Envelope Contest

Maldon7929@aol.com sez

>Were any of the Origami-L denizens selected?

My entry; "Daisys envelope" results in a plain A format rectangle, so
the superb elegance & simplicity of method was clearly overlooked in
favour of more flashy exteriors.

No, I wasn't selected ;)

all the best,

Nick Robinson

personal email  nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk





Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 21:17:12 -0300 (ADT)
From: Michael LaFosse <michael@origamido.com>
Subject: Re: Sq Paper before or after wetting?

To wet the paper before or after trimming to square is an important
consideration.  I prefer to cut then wet.  There are basically three
areas that each folder must evaluate first:

(A)  Will you get a species of rectangle, other than the square, if you
wet your square paper: very likely, So to what degree?

(B)  What is the format line:  Are you folding diagonally dependent,
parallel dependent, or radial dependent?

The most dangerous is the diagonally dependent form because all papers
have the grain running parallel to edge.  Wet a square of paper and try
to fold an ice-cream cone or kite base.  Radial is troublesome too: Try
a masu box!  Follow rule #2.

(C)  Are you a "soaker" ?  Many people add way too much water to their
paper.  This causes excessive expansion and weakens the paper.  All the
trouble is literally magnified.  Use rule #1.

Remedial wet-folding lesson:

Rule # 1
Use the least amount or water possible.  Whether you wet then cut, or
cut then wet; if you add too much water you will get significant warpage
in the final model.  You will also likely cause your paper to fray and
ruin the surface quality. The paper should never be more that lightly
damp and just relaxed.

Rule #2
Machine-made papers are produced under great stress and have a very
dominant grain direction.  BEWARE!  Add water only where you need it and
only when you need it. Radial bases and diagonal bases: wet the corner
of a cloth and "draw" the base lines for the folds you need to install.
You will have a clean form that will support further wetting, which you
will accomplish with a spray and a sponge (lightly) on all foldable
surfaces.

Rule #3
Know your "orikata": the folding form.  Connect lines from corner to
corner; the middle of an edge is always the middle of an edge, no matter
if the opposite, parallel edge, is of a different length; the center is
always the center...  This is what I mean by "dancing with the paper".
You can dance on any shape floor.  You must understand the value of your
anchoring points; the paper is your partner: one day "in shape" another
day "out of shape".  If you start with a dry square your paper will dry
"square" and if you start with a wet sheet, cut "square", your model
will have been folded from a dry, non-square rectangle.  This is amusing
to me considering all of the back and forth about fussing with
"non-square" papers.

RULE #4
Understand style.  Never forget that all of the origami models you
admire, as finished examples, are the product of this combination:  The
potential of the paper; the potential of the orikata; the potential of
the technique of the folder; the potential of the artistry of the
folder; and, perhaps, the potential of the photographer: if it was a
photo of the model that you have seen.  You will have your own vision
and so your own style, you have no choice.  You will fail some days and
triumph on others.  I do what I do because it works for me. From time to
time I will encounter a problem that requires more flexibility.  I LET
THE PAPER TEACH ME.

RULE #5
Break every rule that does not give you success.

Happy wetting!

Michael LaFosse
michael@origamido.com





Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 23:41:01 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jean Marconi <jeanmoc@solar.com.br>
Subject: fleur-de-lis and knife

Hi friends!
It's my first time here. Does anyone have a fleur-de-lis and/or a knife
origami diagram?

Sincerely,

--
Jean Marconi
ICQ:346054





Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 00:06:51 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: fleur-de-lis and knife

>
> Hi friends!
> It's my first time here. Does anyone have a fleur-de-lis and/or a knife
> origami diagram?
>
There is a fantastic Swiss Army Knife floating around out there.
It is a great model that really is amazing in that it is made out of one
sheet of paper.
I was able to complete the model more than once but had to fudge on the can
opener. I am 99% sure there has to be an error in that part of the diagram.
Nevertheless the model is fantastic!

I do not recall at all the model's creator.
--
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 00:22:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jean Marconi <jeanmoc@solar.com.br>
Subject: Re: fleur-de-lis and knife

Sheldon Ackerman wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi friends!
> > It's my first time here. Does anyone have a fleur-de-lis and/or a knife
> > origami diagram?
> >
> There is a fantastic Swiss Army Knife floating around out there.
> It is a great model that really is amazing in that it is made out of one
> sheet of paper.
>
And where I can find this great model?

--
Jean Marconi
ICQ:346054





Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 00:26:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: fleur-de-lis and knife (fwd)

Here is a message I just received from Norma Coblenz!
>
> Sheldon wrote:
> > There is a fantastic Swiss Army Knife floating around out there.
> >
> > I do not recall at all the model's creator.
> >
> The creator is Chris Palmer!
>

--
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 00:30:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: fleur-de-lis and knife

> > There is a fantastic Swiss Army Knife floating around out there.
> > It is a great model that really is amazing in that it is made out of one
> > sheet of paper.
> >
> And where I can find this great model?
>
If I would have known the answer to that, I certainly would have posted it
:-)
My next post is a message from Norma naming Chris P as the creator of the
model. I am sure someone here will know where the model can be found.
Stay tuned!

--
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 01:15:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: fleur-de-lis and knife

At 12:30 AM 5/15/97 -0300, you wrote:
>> > There is a fantastic Swiss Army Knife floating around out there.
>> > It is a great model that really is amazing in that it is made out of one
>> > sheet of paper.
>> >
>> And where I can find this great model?
>>
>If I would have known the answer to that, I certainly would have posted it
>:-)
>My next post is a message from Norma naming Chris P as the creator of the
>model. I am sure someone here will know where the model can be found.
>Stay tuned!

Chris Palmer? This does not sound like the sort of subject matter he would
have tackled. Perhaps you are confusing him with his freind and
collaborator Jeremy Shafer? Jeremy came up with such a knife years ago. I
think diagrams are available in a back issue of his magazine "BARF." Also
(inspired by Jeremy, apparently), a few of his contemporaries in Japan came
up with their own knives (as seen on ORU). This seems like a fun subject to
tackle; you can make as many (or as few) appendages as you like, and you
can finish them off in an assortment of ways.

Marc





Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 01:55:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: mplewinska@earthlink.net (Magdalena Cano Plewinska)
Subject: Re: Sq Paper before or after wetting?

On Wed, 14 May 1997 12:50:32 -0300 (ADT), John Marcolina <jmarcoli@cisco.com>
wrote:

....snip.......
> I recently folded a Montroll giraffe (from "African Animals", I think),
>and it came out great, but the entire neck warped in such a way that it
>pulled the head and neck to one side of the vertical plane of the body.
...snip......

Hey, no problem. Just rename it: Giraffe With a Crick in Its Neck on Its Way To
the Chiropractor.

   - Magda Plewinska
     Miami, FL, USA
     Email: mplewinska@earthlink.net





Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 05:06:31 -0300 (ADT)
From: Allen Parry <parry@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: fleur-de-lis and knife

The creator of the Swiss Army Knife is the prolific creator....Jeremy
Shafer.  His army knife has blades that retract....its a really cool model.
 He published the diagrams in his Summer 96 newsletter.  Back issues are
available for $4 each and $2 postage ($3 overseas).

You can send the money for diagrams to:

        BARF (Bay Area Rapid Folders)
        Jeremy Shafer
        1744 Virginia Street
        Berkeley, CA  94703

Its a fun model you will enjoy!  (P.S. Its usually folded out of foil
paper)

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com

----------
> From: Jean Marconi <jeanmoc@solar.com.br>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject: Re: fleur-de-lis and knife
> Date: Wednesday, May 14, 1997 8:22 PM
>
> Sheldon Ackerman wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi friends!
> > > It's my first time here. Does anyone have a fleur-de-lis and/or a
knife
> > > origami diagram?
> > >
> > There is a fantastic Swiss Army Knife floating around out there.
> > It is a great model that really is amazing in that it is made out of
one
> > sheet of paper.
> >
> And where I can find this great model?
>
> --
> Jean Marconi
> ICQ:346054





Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 05:12:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: Allen Parry <parry@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: fleur-de-lis and knife

> From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>

> (inspired by Jeremy, apparently), a few of his contemporaries in Japan
came
> up with their own knives (as seen on ORU). This seems like a fun subject
to
> tackle; you can make as many (or as few) appendages as you like, and you
> can finish them off in an assortment of ways.

There is actually an interesting story about this that Chris and Jeremy
relayed to me.  Some time after Jeremy had created his Swiss Army Knife,
ORU published an article talking about a knife created by someone in Japan.
 So Jeremy and Chris were playing around with a video camera and Jeremy
filmed his knife and showed how the blades retracted into the knife (unlike
the Japanesse model).  They made a big deal of this.  They sent the video
to ORU.  The people at ORU were so impressed they invited Jeremy to Japan.

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 06:54:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.org>
Subject: STOP THAT MESSAGE!!!! (fwd)

Another one from Norma, but a bit too late.
Better late than never :-)

> I had finally gotten into bed around 12:45AM and was relaxing and thinking
> over the day when it suddenly hit me - JEREMY SHAFER!!!! It is Jeremy,
> not Chris Palmer, who does the BARF newsletter and it is Jeremy, not
> Chris, who designed the Swiss Army Knife! Then I was wide awake and had
> to check. Sure enough, it is Jeremy. The Swiss Army Knife appears in the
> Summer'96 issue of BARF. My apologies to Jeremy and Chris (whom I have
> mixed up before) and to anyone I may have inconvenienced by giving credit
> to the wrong creator! Please pass this along to whoever asked you
> originally...Ahhhh, now I can go back to sleep.
>

--
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 09:09:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: LLATM@aol.com
Subject: Templates provider

Dear all,
A couple of weeks ago I read messages regarding  square templates. I did not
keep any, but my feeling is that there may be a need for them. I found
somebody who may be able to manufacture them out of plexiglass. I got a
sample and it works great!. But I like to have your input as to what sizes
may be in demand and if there is such a demand anyway.
Leyla Torres
llatm@aol.com





Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 12:43:12 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Templates provider

Leyla,

The online origami supply store, Fascinating Folds,
already carries square precision cut LEXAN (the
tougher plastic) templates in sizes 3 inch to
(as I recall) 24 in. They are available individually
or in sets of the smaller sizes, larger sizes, or
all the sizes.

The URL for their web site appears on most major
origami related web pages.

You might want to check that out before going to
the trouble of having some made elsewhere.

(PS, I have no connection with FFolds, I'm just
a satisfied customer, and someone who hates watching
others "reinvent the wheetl")

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com
valerivann@aol.com
http://people.delphi.com/vvann/index.html
http://users.aol.com/valerivann/
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/valerie_vann





Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 13:01:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: Alex Barber <barber@admin.carlberg.com>
Subject: new web site address

For those of you who visit my origami web site, I thought I would pass on
the new address:

http://www.the-village.com/origami

The content is the same, it's just living on my new server. I will make
updates to my old site that point to the new pages. I am also keeping my
old account/web site, so any pointers/bookmarks to
http://www.nol.net/~barber/origami won't break.

I am also testing a new addition to the origami site. I've got a searchable
database of origami-l, but it only goes back to the 12th of this month.
Give it a few months, and I hope you'll find some more use out of it. Feel
free to give the database a whirl at
http://www.the-village.com/lasso/orimail_search.html. Any feedback is
welcome - let me know if it works, or if there are other features you'd
like to see.

Send replies/comments to barber@the-village.com

Be seeing you
Alex Barber

--
barber@admin.carlberg.com | http://www.the-village.com
barber@the-village.com

I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or
numbered.  My life is my own.





Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 13:54:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kenny1414@aol.com
Subject: Re: Templates provider

In a message dated 97-05-15 12:25:54 EDT, you write:

<< what sizes may be in demand and if there is such a demand anyway. >>

I think commercial origami paper comes in 6", and 10" sizes for normal
origami,
and sometimes in 2" and 3" for modular folds, kusudamas and thousand-cranes.

So templates for those sizes would be handy.

I'm interested in templates, but I just (a) blew my budget buying back-issues
of ORU, before they disappear, and (b) lost my job.

Good luck with this project.

Aloha,

Kenneth Kawamura
kenny1414@aol.com

P.O. Box 6039
East Lansing, MI 48826-6039





Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 14:57:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Templates provider

In reply to a query from Leyla regarding templates, Valerie Vann wrote
that Fascinating Folds supplies some.  I'd just like to chime in as another
satisfied customer, and also one who wonders if there is enough demand for
two suppliers.

Kenneth Kawamura wrote:
+I think commercial origami paper comes in 6", and 10" sizes for normal
+origami, and sometimes in 2" and 3" for modular folds, kusudamas and
+thousand-cranes.

+So templates for those sizes would be handy.

While those sizes are often bandied about, you're better off measuring your
actual paper.  Most of it is really sold in metric sizes and the inches are
just approximations.  For modulars you usually have to have the exact same
size paper, even 1/8th inch can goof you up!

+I'm interested in templates, but I just (a) blew my budget buying back-issues
+of ORU, before they disappear, and (b) lost my job.

Good luck finding a new job!

-D'gou





Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 15:58:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: rhudson@netrax.net (Hudson-Robert)
Subject: Roommmate hunt

Hi all--

I'm looking for a person to share a suite room with me at Convention.
Non-smoker, and I'll be there from Thursday to Monday.  Overnight Thurs,
Fri, Sat, Sun.

Rob





Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 16:53:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: pat slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: Re: Wet folding

Michael LaFosse wrote:

> The most dangerous is the diagonally dependent form because all papers
> have the grain running parallel to edge.  Wet a square of paper and try
> to fold an ice-cream cone or kite base.  Radial is troublesome too: Try
> a masu box!  Follow rule #2.
>

Perhaps my ignorance  is showing, but why not just cut a square on
the diagonal if you are going to do a diagonally-dependent model?

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 17:41:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: B4 or after wetting?

Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com> sez

>when to square the paper came up, before or after wetting.  Joseph Wu's
>page weighs in for squaring after, Nick Robinson's page waffles, but

Moi - waffling? I resemble that remark!

>inviting more comment and perhaps an informal "Dunno, but I square
>[before/after/during] wetting" replies.

Most of the designs I wet-fold are not so precise that a cm. or two
really matters - the paper can be "adjusted" continually as you fold. If
it *did*, I'd recommend wetting then cutting. The medium isn't really
appropriate to ultra complex designs that require mega accurate
creasing.

I'm currently folding the basic creases dry, then opening & wetting
everywhere *but* the crease lines. Once the basic form is together &
creases in their "stressed" position, I can then dampen these if
necessary.

all the best,

Nick Robinson

personal email  nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk





Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 18:33:51 -0300 (ADT)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: B4 or after wetting?

Nick Robinson, in reply to my message characterizing his wet folding
recommendation as "waffling" wrote:

+Moi - waffling? I resemble that remark!
..
Then he goes on to waffle some more (can I have cheesy peas on my waffles,
pretty please?) saying that he doesn't wet fold models that require that
much accuracy.

+I'm currently folding the basic creases dry, then opening & wetting
+everywhere *but* the crease lines. Once the basic form is together &
+creases in their "stressed" position, I can then dampen these if
+necessary.

Ah, well, I'm confused for sure now!  I thought the main point of wet
folding (ok, one of the main points) was to avoid breaking the fibers
by wetting the areas that'll be folded (such as you recommend in your
Toad diagrams!).

I'll take a guess that by wetting the other parts of the model (the
noncreased parts), you are using the water to fuzz out the surface of
the paper some (as Michael LaFosse's message warned as a danger of
over-wetting)...  But once you have creased the paper dry, wetting it later
will not heal the broken fibers....

But I think I must be missing something!

-D'gou





Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 18:58:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kimberly Crane <kcrane@kimscrane.com>
Subject: Re: Templates provider

Daddy-o D'gou wrote:
>
> In reply to a query from Leyla regarding templates, Valerie Vann wrote
> that Fascinating Folds supplies some.  I'd just like to chime in as another
> satisfied customer, and also one who wonders if there is enough demand for
> two suppliers.
>

Daddy-o D'gou may be a satisfied customer of ff, but his statement about
demand for two suppliers is really upsetting to me.  Without
competition, the supplier will set the price not the consumer.  Anytime
I see a statement like the one above I wonder if the person making the
statement is associated with the firm.

Kimberly and Gordon Crane
Kim's Crane
http://www.kimscrane.com





Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 19:53:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pam and/or Namir <pgraben@umich.edu>
Subject: Origamically Correct Names

>....snip.......
>> I recently folded a Montroll giraffe (from "African Animals", I think),
>>and it came out great, but the entire neck warped in such a way that it
>>pulled the head and neck to one side of the vertical plane of the body.
>...snip......
>
>Hey, no problem. Just rename it: Giraffe With a Crick in Its Neck on Its Way To
>the Chiropractor.
>
>   - Magda Plewinska

After I made Yoshinosan's T-Rex, I labelled it T-Rex with Advanced
Osteoperosis,
since I didn't get all 27-odd sheets folded quite right.
It makes for a good laugh, and a conversation starter.

-Namir
!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-
Pamela Graben:     Thinking... what a concept!
Namir Gharaibeh:  "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."
pgraben@umich.edu





Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 20:06:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: JacAlArt@aol.com
Subject: Swiss army knife

Jeremy Shafer has diagrams for a great one -- but the can opener is tough!
Try contacting BARF for diagrams. (Bay Area Rapid Folders)





Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 20:12:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: JacAlArt@aol.com
Subject: Re: fleur-de-lis and knife

The Japanese version is by Jun Maekawa (the guy who did the 5-fingered demon
with wings and tail). The 'American one' is by Jeremy Shafer.





Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 20:15:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: JacAlArt@aol.com
Subject: Kawahata books

Anyone have info on the new Kawahata books -- Imaginary Animals of The World
 and  Wild Animals of The World? What models are included and is it as
complex as Origami Fantasy?





Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 20:31:02 -0300 (ADT)
From: Michael LaFosse <michael@origamido.com>
Subject: Re: Wet folding

pat slider wrote:
>
> Michael LaFosse wrote:
>
> > The most dangerous is the diagonally dependent form because all papers
> > have the grain running parallel to edge.  Wet a square of paper and try
> > to fold an ice-cream cone or kite base.  Radial is troublesome too: Try
> > a masu box!  Follow rule #2.
> >
>
> Perhaps my ignorance  is showing, but why not just cut a square on
> the diagonal if you are going to do a diagonally-dependent model?
>
> pat slider

A fun thought, but just see how much paper you will waste and how little
advantage you will gain.

Michael LaFosse





Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 20:43:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Suppliers on the loose (was:Re: Templates provider)

Kimberly Crane wrote:
>  Anytime
> I see a statement like the one above I wonder if the person making the
> statement is associated with the firm.
> Kimberly and Gordon Crane
> Kim's Crane
> http://www.kimscrane.com

If Im not mistaken, Kims Crane is an Origami supplier too.
This makes above statement a tiny little bit suspect.

Please take it out in private, OK?

Matthias





Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 21:00:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Templates provider

+Daddy-o D'gou may be a satisfied customer of ff, but his statement about
+demand for two suppliers is really upsetting to me.  Without
+competition, the supplier will set the price not the consumer.  Anytime
+I see a statement like the one above I wonder if the person making the
+statement is associated with the firm.

It wasn't my intention to upset anyone.  As I have written in the past,
I could not find anyone locally in Pittsburgh (PA, USA) that was
interested in cutting me perfect lexan squares.  Most of the places
here would have to special order the lexan, and my request for perfect
squareness either caused them to bow out, or price so ridiculously as
to effectively bow out.

And as I have written in the past, templates have several drawbacks:
    Fixed size
    Hard to avoid waste when cutting many squares from one sheet.
    Hard to hold unless you add a handle, but that makes them bulky to store.
    etc.
Templates are not the be and end all, and they certainly augment other
forms of paper cutting, such as rotary cutters, which are much more
flexible.

As a result, I do not forsee that there is a high demand for them.  In any
market where supply is greater than demand, the consumer loses because they
have no leverage.  I'd hate to see someone spend a lot of time and work
getting another source of templates geared up, only to find out the market
isn't there.  What I said was a nicer version of "Do your homework
before getting your hopes up" ... not that I didn't want anyone to
compete with FF.

-D'gou





Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 22:42:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steven Casey <scasey@enternet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Templates provider

At 06:58 PM 15/05/97 -0300, you wrote:

>Daddy-o D'gou may be a satisfied customer of ff, but his statement about
>demand for two suppliers is really upsetting to me.  Without
>competition, the supplier will set the price not the consumer.  Anytime
>I see a statement like the one above I wonder if the person making the
>statement is associated with the firm.
>
>Kimberly and Gordon Crane
>Kim's Crane
>http://www.kimscrane.com
>

If you analyse the tone, I think you'll see that the posed question was
purely rhetorical, and _may_ be implying that two suppliers is a good thing.
In most cases with something as special as these templates surely the price
would be dictated to some degree by the manufacturer and distributer of the
product.

Most prices are set at what the market will bear and are rarely dictated by
the consumer. The fact that the same product is being sold from two
different outlets hardly constitutes competitions. What it generates is
greater competition for customer attention, and the by-product is generally
better service to the customer. With something as special as origami
supplies (paper, templates etc) customers (enthusiasts) will pay the price
as listed, if they genuinely want an item.

I can't see where you've made the connection with  Daddy-o D'gou comment
(except as a satisfied customer) and an association, with Fascinating Folds.
You didn't mention the type of association; partnership, shares, or paid
employee (it's quite a leap).

In summary I want to say I think it's great having a number of different
suppliers to choose from, and that my decision to buy from them is normally
dictated by my disposable income, my emotional state (how much I want
something), the selection available to me, and the service I get.
Recommendations might get me the first time round, but service keeps me
coming back.

All the Best,

Steven Casey

scasey@enternet.com.au
Melbourne Australia





Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 22:46:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: Maldon7929@aol.com
Subject: Re: Subject: Smithsonian Postal Museum Envelope Contest

Nick said:
>the superb elegance & simplicity of method was clearly overlooked in
>favour of more flashy exteriors.

This was my impression as well.

On a more positive note I was glad to know mine arrived.  (The locking
mechanizm is not as stable as "Daisy's".)  Seems a little odd because I sent
a check to BARF in the same model with the "G" word (glue) and it never was
received. The origami gods must have been watching.

We can only hope the Smithsonian is more educated next year. ;-)

Maldon

P.S. At least now I know I'm in good company.





Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 23:09:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: Swiss army knife

>
> Jeremy Shafer has diagrams for a great one -- but the can opener is tough!
> Try contacting BARF for diagrams. (Bay Area Rapid Folders)
>
It's more than tough! :-)
I tried models galore and could not get it following the diagrams.
When I completed the model it was obvious that the can opener was a can
opener, but as I said in an earlier message, I had to fudge a bit to get the
desired look.
If I recall correctly, there were one or two reverse folds that seemed
impossible--impossible for me to follow :-)

--
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 00:20:51 -0300 (ADT)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Hell Bank Note for Dollar Bill Folding

     I have written previously about the use of Hell Bank Note to
substitute for real dollar bills in  folding dollar bills.  Hell Bank Notes
are one substitute that I have found to be a satisfactory.  They are much
lighter and thinner than dollar bills and take creases more easily.
However, they are also weaker and are subject to easy tearning, unlike real
dollar bills.  They are referred to as "joss paper" and are related to
"joss sticks", both of which are burned at funerals and other ceremonies.
     For folding purposes the ideal size of a bill is one whose length is
2.414 times its width.  The American dollar bill, whose proportion is
sometimes given as 3 x 7, has a proportion which comes close to this ideal
number--2.33.  The reason that 2.414 is the ideal number is that when
opposite corners are folded at a 45 degree angle so that the folded in
corner reaches the other side, the resulting diamond shape can be folded
into a bird base.  The short side points are usually too short to be of
much use, but still on occasion can be made useful by using the stretched
bird base procedure, as I have done for the giraffe.  I have used this
diamond shape to fold the six point star,  using the eight point star
approach which served as the basis for many of the folds in Modern Origami.

     If the bill is shorter than ideal, one can still use this procedure by
first folding the long diagonal of a bill and then fold it in half to find
the position of the two shorter corners.  This results in the folded-in
corner not quite reaching the other side.  This is usually not visible
because the folded in corner usually remains hidden and unused, but it does
bother the folding procedure because of the unevenness of the edge of he
two layers of paper.  Hence the desire for an ideal paper with proportions
close to those of the American dollar bill.  To this end I have taken the
hell bank note that I had found and reduced the width so that the ideal
proportion would be achieved.
     Recently I have found hell bank notes which were 2.5 x 6 inches,
slightly larger than the hell bank note that I had previously found, and
was astounded to find that it was almost the exact dimension of the ideal
bank note--2.4 instead of 2.414.  It was also possible to mark off segments
in half or quarter inches to divide the length into 24 units and the width
into 10 units for box pleat folding, which I have been experimenting with
to fold an insect with six legs and a head and body.  I also found that by
taking a stack of bills and fanning them out so that one one edge of all of
the sheets showed, it was possible to mark many sheets at the same time.
This avoids using folding methods to fold the bill into thirds or fifths,
which weakens it.  One obvious thought here is that when one is cutting
paper for a dollar bill fold, the ideal size is 2.5 x 6 inches, which is
only slightly smaller than a real Ameridan dollar bill.
     The shop where I found the ideal size bank notes was at the Little
China Town Super Market on 77 Reservoir Avenue in Providence, R. I.  Their
be visited to see if they carry hell bank notes of this size.   I would
strongly recommend suppliers of origami paper to try to stock this item.  I
plan to teach dollar bill folding at the Black Ship Festival in Newport,
R.I. and also at the New Hork convention and have bought enough for my
classes, there will be need for students to be able to buy a package for
their own use.  On the printed label the item is referred to as CHEE SHING
#31101  Joss Paper N.W. 2 oz. MADE IN CHINA.  There are also Chinese
characters, which I cannot translate and will not attempt to reproduce here.
     This may be a good time to discuss the acceptability of promoting an
ideal dollar bill.  When one considers that the sizes of bills in different
countries can differ, settling upon a hell bank note used for burning in
ceremonies, but with ideal folding properties,  may be a wise course of
action.
     Details on the ideal dollar bill and diagrams of some dollar bill
folds can be found  in the web site set up by my son Bill.  James M.
Sakoda, origami dollar bill foldings in pdf form:  http://idt.net/~kittyv





Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 01:17:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: havener3@delphi.com (geoline)
Subject: Patterns in the Clouds...Re: Wet folding

When pat slider commented:
>> Perhaps my ignorance  is showing, but why not just cut a square on
>> the diagonal if you are going to do a diagonally-dependent model?

Michael LaFosse responded:
>A fun thought, but just see how much paper you will waste and how little
>advantage you will gain.

Waste and advantage is in the eye of the beholder.  Sometimes ya want to
cut a piece of printed paper to take advantage of the pattern in a certain
way that when the design is complete, the pattern unites with the design.
For instance, if you know in advance where on the paper the eyes of a model
will be (providing the model is something with eyes), you can cut the paper
to take advantage of a pattern to cleverly suggest eyes or eyebrows.  Sort
of like the way a seamstress takes advantage not only of the grain of the
fabric, but also of the pattern to cut pockets that disappear, align
diagonals, align colors in stripes, etc...  The excess paper or fabric can
be used in smaller scrap projects or recycled to create other papers and
fabrics.

I seldom tear open a wrapped gift, because the paper is as special as the
surprize within.  Instead of wasting the wonderful wrapping paper, some of
the wrapping paper can be cut and folded into a special origami thank you
while the rest of the paper can be used or recycled into wherever one's
imagination takes ya.

As far as wet folding goes, I'm not sure what this technique means.  I used
to apply wetting to creases to help make tearing paper into squares or
triangles to to create natural textured edges of wet torn paper versus
clean blade sliced edges.  The textured edges add softness to leaves,
petals and angel wings.  I sometimes dab wetness (water/saliva or clear
acrylic glaze/white glue) to coax problem spots on the paper in particular
models to introduce softness or rigidness to the paper, but this is a
technique I've been using since I was in kindergarten.  With acrylic glaze
or white glue mixed with lots of water, when the the water dries, the area
of application on the paper becomes stiffer and is able to support more
weight and stress or used as a fixative.

Geoline Havener-Li
email: havener3@delphi.com
http://www.geocities.com/~jaspacecorp/momsai.html





Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 01:33:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: Allen Parry <parry@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: Hell Bank Note for Dollar Bill Folding

> From: James M. Sakoda <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>

>      I have written previously about the use of Hell Bank Note to
> substitute for real dollar bills in  folding dollar bills.  Hell Bank
Notes
> are one substitute that I have found to be a satisfactory.  They are much
> lighter and thinner than dollar bills and take creases more easily.
> However, they are also weaker and are subject to easy tearning, unlike
real
> dollar bills.

OUSA sells Origami Folding Notes which are the same size as dollar bills,
approximately the same thickness, made of recycled dollars, and have all
the landmarks printed on the bill.  They are not as durable as a dollar,
but more so than other papers.  Many dollar bill designers (Steven Weiss
and myself, to mention two) incorporate the features printed on a dollar
bill into the design and these bills accurately preserve this information.
You can order these from:

        The Origami Source
        c/o Phyliss Meth
        40-05 166th Street
        Flushing, NY  11358
        Fax Orders (718) 762-2177

She sells them in packets of 100.  I can't remember how much they are but I
can find out if you're interested.

> It was also possible to mark off segments
> in half or quarter inches to divide the length into 24 units and the
width
> into 10 units for box pleat folding, which I have been experimenting with
> to fold an insect with six legs and a head and body.

That's great!....it sounds like you're taking on the challenge of designing
a dollar bill ant.  I'd love to see what you come up with.  I also
correspond with Stephen Weiss, who has created some wonderfull dollar bill
folds...and have asked him also to give a try at designing an ant.  I think
if we get enough ants we can even have a picnic  8^>

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 01:46:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: NO: Supplier Competition

Through many years of involvement in arts & crafts requiring
very specialized supplies, and also through association with
various phases of the collectible trade, I have concluded
that the ordinary rules of business competition do not
strictly apply in these areas. I have seen far far too many
small specialty businesses cut their prices in an effort to
be "competitive" with a similar business, with the result that
none of the businesses survive, their suppliers can't make a
living and go out of business, and the end result, rather than
being "good for the consumer", is no supplier at all.

Also, in very specialized items, there is no question that
"the supplier sets the price", as it is often determined by
what they have to pay to get it, and all to often they're
lucky to make anything on it all, and have a fine balancing
act between having enough made, or ordering enough of a
specialty item to get a reasonable price, or having too
large an inventory of an expensive item in limited demand.

So I think the comment about two template suppliers was well
taken.

In addition - and this is a practice I follow in purchase
of computer equipment and certain office supplies at work also -
if it is a matter of a few percentage points of price, the
business goes to a local supplier with whom we have an established
relationship of trust and service, rather than the rock bottom
discount mail order firm. The experience of the hassles of returns,
repairs, custom orders, etc. with these "competitive" suppliers
is simply not worth my valuable time for a few bucks. Similarly,
I'm not going to quibble over, or spend hours "comparison shopping"
to shave a few bucks off the price of origami books or supplies.
I'd rather spend the time folding, thank you very much.

I'm afraid too, that I fail to see that I've benefited by the fact
that my favorite local bookstore, toy store, and pharmacy have
been overwhelmed by Barnes&Noble, Toys-R-Us and Payless; their
prices are lower, sure, but they don't have what I want to buy.

There are other forms of "competition" available to the imaginative
and innovative business person besides trying to do the same thing
for a lower price. After all, another good old business saying is
"Build a better mousetrap, and the world will
beat a path to your door (dollars in hand)". Note: "Better", not
necessarily "cheaper".

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com
valerivann@aol.com
Mostly Modular/Geometric Origami Web Pages:
http://people.delphi.com/vvann/index.html
http://users.aol.com/valerivann/index.html
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/valerie_vann





Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 01:46:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Suppliers on the loose (was:Re: Templates provider)

Apparently a message from:

Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>

was posted to the origami-l under the above subject heading,
and was (by mistake, I presume) sent in a form other
than plain ASCII text. My mail server attempted to
make heads or tails of it, declared it was probably BINARY,
split it two and generally made mangled nonsense of it.
Perhaps Matthias could repost in text?

--valerie
75070.304@compuserve.com





Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 08:15:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: mplewinska@earthlink.net (Magdalena Cano Plewinska)
Subject: Re: Templates provider

On Thu, 15 May 1997 12:43:23 -0300 (ADT), Valerie Vann
<75070.304@CompuServe.COM>  wrote:

(re Lexan templates)

>(PS, I have no connection with FFolds, I'm just
>a satisfied customer

Speaking of which, just how do you use these templates? Do you use them as an
edge to cut directly or as a ruler to draw the lines with a pencil, then cut? I
cut my squares on a cutting mat with a grid on it and that's square enough. Am I
missing something by not using these templates?

Thanks,

   - Magda Plewinska
     Miami, FL, USA
     Email: mplewinska@earthlink.net





Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 08:40:51 -0300 (ADT)
From: LLATM@aol.com
Subject: Origami Sighting (Mexico in New York)

Sighting at The Museum of Modern Art in New York City. Exhibition of
photographs by the Mexican Photographer Manuel Alvarez Bravo (b.1902 ) See
photograph entitled: Paper Games - Juego de Papel 1926-1927.  The subject of
this photograph is a close shot of  a simple piece of folded paper and the
shadows created by it in natural light. Exhibition is through this weekend
(5-18) and is  a must see if you can make it. For those of you who can't,
 you can find this particular photograph  on page 45 of the catalog published
by the museum:

Manuel Alvarez Bravo
by Susam Kismaric
Museum of Modern Art,
New York  1997

Happy Viewing! :)

Leyla Torres





Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 10:28:34 -0300 (ADT)
From: Michael LaFosse <michael@origamido.com>
Subject: Re: Patterns in the Clouds...Re: Wet folding

geoline wrote:
>
> When pat slider commented:
> >> Perhaps my ignorance  is showing, but why not just cut a square on
> >> the diagonal if you are going to do a diagonally-dependent model?
>
> Michael LaFosse responded:
> >A fun thought, but just see how much paper you will waste and how little
> >advantage you will gain.
>
> Waste and advantage is in the eye of the beholder.  Sometimes ya want to
> cut a piece of printed paper to take advantage of the pattern in a certain
> way that when the design is complete, the pattern unites with the design.

Touch!  And I will add textures, too. Pattern and texture orientation
provide gains that override the issue of economy.

But, if you think you absolutely have to create a square with a
corner-to-corner direction grain then cut it from a square and use the
four remaining triangles to fold Herman van Goubergen's delightful cat
from them. (Or even my "Happy, Good-luck bats")

-Michael LaFosse





Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 10:50:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com>
Subject: A Paper Airplane Job

 As many of you know, I work for a math text book publisher.

 We are currently working on designs for the covers of a three-book
 middle-school program. One of the ideas for the covers includes a
 photo of a complex origami model airplane folded out of a map.

 And, we would like to *hire* someone to fold it for us. (There are
 several reasons for not hiring *me* to do the folding, the most
 pressing of which is time.)

 We want something far more complex than the 8-fold airplane that
 we all folded in grade school. We would prefer a model for which it
 will be easy to get permission from the designer as well as the folder
 for it's use on the cover of a book. We will need some sort of preview
 of what the plane will look like. (And all of my origami books are
 packed for my move this weekend.)

 We need to have the model for a photo shoot by Friday, May 23.
 We are willing to work with someone outside of the Boston area, but
 this means allowing time for shipping.

 If this is a job you would be interested in, and you can meet the
deadline,
 please respond privately. I will will forward responses to Lisa Fowler who
 is the designer working on the project. (Yes, there's lots of Lisa's in
the
 department.)

 Thanks!

 Lisa Hodsdon
 Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com
 McDougal Littell
 Boston, MA
 (617)351-5300





Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 11:30:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: fold4wet@juno.com (Rosalind F Joyce)
Subject: Re: Sq Paper before or after wetting?

I square off before wet folding.  Since most of my paper tends to expand
along one direction when wet, I concentrate on angles.   When it dries,
it's a square again.  If I square off after wetting, the dry stuff isn't
really a square anymore, and some parts get a little warped and
asymmetrical.  Come to think of it, a lot of my stuff is warped and
assymetrical.  I prefer to call it "developing a personality."
RosJoyce





Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 11:59:31 -0300 (ADT)
From: Aurora Lozada <alozada@notes.cc.bellcore.com>
Subject: -No Subject-

I need ideas especially miniature flowers, arranged in a box or vase.  I like
to do all this in Origami.  For the centerpiece, I like to make a figure of a
girl in a gown instead of using dressed up dolls.

If you could direct me to what books to buy or where I could get ideas for
this, I would really appreciate it.

Thanks,
Aurora





Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 12:23:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Using Templates (was Templates provider)

Madga Plewinska wrote:
+Speaking of which, just how do you use these templates? Do you use
+them as an edge to cut directly or as a ruler to draw the lines with a
+pencil, then cut?  I cut my squares on a cutting mat with a grid on it
+and that's square enough. Am  I missing something by not using these
+templates?

Templates can be used in the ways you describe.  I like the lexan
templates because they are hard enough to use to cut along.  You can
always make shirtboard/cardboard/whatever templates, but if you run a
knife edge along them you'll eventually nick and cut them and have to
either put up with ragged edges or make new ones.

I like lexan templates because if I want a small number of squares from
a large sheet of paper, they are very fast to use, much more so than a
rotary or blade paper cutter.  You can also handle much larger paper
because all you have to do is sandwich it between the template and a
cutting mat, rather than find a paper cutter big enough to fit the
paper into.  Lexan (and other clear templates) have an advantage over
cardboard templates, and that is you can see through them, which makes
it very easy to get the pattern (or grain!) placement you want from
your square.

I think what you are missing is mostly convenience! ;-)

-D'gou





Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 12:44:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Dennis Brannon <brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com>
Subject: RE: Templates provider

I bought the Mini template set from Fascinating Folds, but find I've only
been using the 3 smallest sizes.  Perhaps there's room for a least a
mini-mini package (3", 4.5", 6") agressively priced.  It took me months
before I decided to spend $45 on templates since I already was using
my own cardboard templates.  That $45 could have gone towards origami books.

I fold mostly with "found paper" - wrapping paper, etc.  I just wrap the
paper around the template to create the crease lines for a square
and then, in the air, cut out the square.

dennis

Dennis Brannon
brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com
Littleton, Massachusetts USA





Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 12:56:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Templates provider

Magda wrote:

<<Speaking of which, just how do you use these templates? Do you use them as an
<<edge to cut directly or as a ruler to draw the lines with a pencil, then cut?
     I
<<cut my squares on a cutting mat with a grid on it and that's square enough.
     Am I
<<missing something by not using these templates?
>>

You can use the template either to cut along (though even Lexan edges
can get chipped or nicked if you're not careful with the knife), or
as a straight edge to draw lines.

I, too, use a rolling cutter with grid lines for smaller pieces, but if
you are cutting up large sheets, e.g. wrapping paper, or the speciality
papers that come in about 2x3 foot sheets, it is very nice to have the
templates. They are also handy if you are cutting patterned paper and
want to have the pattern precisely placed, e.g. centered, on the square.

FFolds ships their Lexan templates with the protective paper still on them,
so if you don't need the transparency, you can leave it on and the template
is a little less slippery.  Depending on the material you are cutting,
(this is not a good idea with foil..), placing a couple of small pieces
of PostIt type tape doubled over with one sticky side on the template and
one toward the paper can help hold the template in place while you cut.

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 14:40:41 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kalei Lundberg <klundber@mnsinc.com>
Subject: Re: Origamically Correct Names

I have had this same problem with the "giraffe" as well as other patterns.  The
     solution outside of the good one suggested that I have found is:  After
     folding the pattern wet your hands and only half dry them, then pat the
     model in your hands gently so a





Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 15:07:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com>
Subject: Re: A Paper Airplane Job

Well, it looks like the first bidder is going to do the job. (Thanks for
the quick response, Michael!) And thanks to everyone else for their
suggestions.

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 16:33:33 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Re: Suppliers on the loose (was:Re: Templates provider)

Valerie Vann wrote:
> than plain ASCII text. My mail server attempted to
> make heads or tails of it, declared it was probably BINARY,
> split it two and generally made mangled nonsense of it.
> Perhaps Matthias could repost in text?

Uh... it was mangled nonsense even BEFORE your mailserver
dealed with it <g>. I was sorry I wrote it right after
hitting the "Send"- button. Please just ignore it.

Matthias

P.S. Im sure it was plain ASCII though. Maybe your
mailserver is smarter than you know <g>.





Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 18:25:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: Cathy Palmer-Lister <cathypl@generation.net>
Subject: RE: Michael Lafosse & cloth-paper (foil folding)

At 01:33 PM 1997-05-13 -0300, you wrote:
>>have often wondered about gluing cloth to paper or foil.  I guess I will
>>have to give it a try one day, it obviously isn't impossible, though I can't
>>see how the creases would hold very well.
>>
>>                                                        Cathy
>
>Think of it in a different way.  With cloth glued to foil, you are folding and
>creasing the foil.  Which holds creases very well.  The cloth sometimes
>makes the folds want to unfold, but the foil usually does a good job of
>holding its shape.
>
>I use velvet glued to aluminum foil with automotive spray glue and
>have folded lots of dragons and dinosaurs from it.............etc.

Thanks Denis!  I do actually have a pile of black velvet left-overs--what
neat dragons of the night that would make!  I must find out if Dominique has
made any progress on his spider ships for his Bab 5 display.  Blach velvet
could work, if the folding is not too fine.  You've got me thinking ---lots
of neat things to try this summer!

                                                        Cathy





Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 18:33:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Cathy Palmer-Lister <cathypl@generation.net>
Subject: Re: Subject: Smithsonian Postal Museum Envelope Contest

>
>My entry; "Daisys envelope" results in a plain A format rectangle, so
>the superb elegance & simplicity of method was clearly overlooked in
>favour of more flashy exteriors.
>
>No, I wasn't selected ;)
>
>all the best,
>
>Nick Robinson
>

Hi, Nick!  I have often folded Daisy's





Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 18:38:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: Cathy Palmer-Lister <cathypl@generation.net>
Subject: Re: Subject: Smithsonian Postal Museum Envelope Contest

>
>My entry; "Daisys envelope" results in a plain A format rectangle, so
>the superb elegance & simplicity of method was clearly overlooked in
>favour of more flashy exteriors.
>
>No, I wasn't selected ;)
>
>all the best,
>
>Nick Robinson

I have often folded Daisy's Envelope with the children at school. I love it,
It's so elegantly simple, one of my favourite designs.  There are flashier
envelopes, but yours is a real envelope!

                                                Cathy
