




Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 03:01:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: Laurie Bisman <lbisman@sirranet.co.nz>
Subject: RE: Rare Animals

>As has Steven Casey and someone from New Zealand (whose name escapes me at the
>moment).
><snip>
>
>       My name is Laurie Bisman...
>       Oh how soon they forget!

Not ALL of them, Laurie......

And those boys (!) may not know that you founded a New Zealand Origami
Society, with a home-made newsletter which was named "Kiwi Talk" ! We were
moving our first origami steps in Italy, too, and we exchanged newsletters
at the time..... it was (let me see) 1982 !

Oh, well.... getting older (sigh) <:-(

Yes, getting older is something that we all seem to be able to manage easily,
     (too easily for some of us!)

The NZ Origami Society, which has been going through a bit of a lull, is just
     about ready to be revived, including 'Kiwi Talk' magazine.

Laurie Bisman
lbisman@sirranet.co.nz





Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 03:51:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: "skunk lines"

On Wed, 7 May 1997, Pat Slider wrote:

=A question on the mechanics of design:
=
=Is there some basic, concious approach to avoid creating models with "skunk
=lines" at the top? There are some models I love but always have to pull out
=the monocolor for. Even with the most precise folding the lines are
=unavoidable. Guess it is part of folding with kami, but I, for one, do not
=like the way they look.
=
=Anyway, I started to wonder what the line was....why do some models get the
=paper edges on top and some on bottom? There seems to me to be some
=tendencies between designers, so I am guessing this is based on the basic
=approach?

Marc's made a good answer of this, so I'll try not to duplicate. I want to
point out that David Brill has made a point of addressing this issue, and you
can see some of the techniques he uses to avoid this problem in his book,
"Brilliant Origami".

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 05:10:51 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: OUSA Convention &  Snowflakes

On Wed, 7 May 1997, Valerie Vann wrote:

=I'm going to PCOC, not the OUSA Convention, so my vote probably
=shouldn't count, but I'd vote for Snowflake(s):
=The one with available diagrams and any of the other 30+
=Joseph can remember how to do. (I can't remember how I did all
=of the sones I've made...)

Well, I'm going to try to make it to PCOC, too, but no promises yet. 8) But
your vote for snowflakes is duly noted.

=Or a class teaching the diagrammed Snowflake
=and then a free exploration of making different ones.

That's a much better idea!

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 06:56:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: "skunk lines"

Pat Slider <slider@stonecutter.com> sez

>why do some models get the
>paper edges on top and some on bottom?

If you mean along the backs of animals, for instance, it depends on the
bent of the creator. Dave Brill has long been an exponent of "closed
backs", where the back is smooth and the gubbins emerge from beneath it.
He made a decision that open backs wee unacceptable to him. Others worry
less about this. Closed backs look distinctly more elegant, but are far
harder to achieve.

all the best,

Nick Robinson

personal email  nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk





Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 09:32:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kevin Kinney <kkinney@med.unc.edu>
Subject: J.Wu at OUSA

Joseph Wu:
> >Okay. So I've decided. I'm going. And, like two years ago, I'm going to take
> >suggestions for what models I should teach when I'm there. I'm probably going
> >to limit myself to two models, so the ones with the most votes will win. Of
> >course, I'm always willing to teach outside of class times. 8)

Marc Kirschenbaum>
> Great! It has been a while since I have seen you, and I am looking foward
> towards seeing another wonderful moedel display. As for models to teach,
> how about a non-model? Inspired by Zack Brown, I thought it would be a
> great idea to have a panel discussion on designing techniques and
> parameters. I was very inspired by Robert Langs class, and I thought it

Well, I'm not going, so I probably shouldn't vote, but I'll second (or
whatever) that one.  Joseph taught his "Flying Dragon" at the Southeast
Origami Festival this fall, and he spent the first few minutes going
through its inception.(Interestingly enough, it's related
semi-phylogenetically to several of his other mythical beasties.  Pleases
the evolutionary biologist in me.).
        Even though we didn't quite get to finish the model, I count that
development part of the talk as the second most nifty part of the
Convention.  I 've actually *used* that part!  If Joseph and others would
do an entire session on this sort of thing, I think it would be very well
received.

        But if Joseph *does* teach the Flying Dragon, would someone take
quick diagrams of the  end part (head formation) and send me a copy.  I
think I have the rest of it (but I'll ahve to dig out my sketches to be sure).
  And the finishing touches on this model are too nifty to fake.

Kevin Kinney
kkinney@med.unc.edu





Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 10:21:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Winson Chan's Kawasaki Rose diagram?

Janet Hamilton, responding to Shi-Yew Chen's message about the FTP diagrams
for the Kawasaki Rose, wrote:

[Specific advice elided...]

+The petals curve outward at the end, and the model is more round than
+square.

Actually, I've made it both was, and the "tubular" version has its
appeal.  I like the rounded version slightly better, but its a close
call.  Which I like better also depends on what the kind of paper used
and how much it can be curved to soften the final results...

+The lock on this rose is very nice - it doesn't have the tendency for
+the bottom to come apart like the rose in OftC, but I think it is much
+harder because of all the precreasing and the chevron shaped folds in
+step 10.  All the visible creases detract a little from the final
+result.  These two roses do make my top 10 list of favorite models,
+though!

I agree, the precreasing is a pain and the extra creases don't add to
the final model.  I consider this a challenge though, to figure out
what creases I can either make only partially, or not at all!
(Actually, it is a virtual challenge at this point because I'm not
actively working on it, but the idea is there.)

As for the "Chevron" folds, yeah, they are annoying.  I have made them
by hand, and they are doable but tedious.  I much prefer to use a
straight edge and burnisher.  Slightly more accurate, and a lot faster!

-Daddy-o D'gou





Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 11:24:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jan_Polish@colpal.com (Jan Polish)
Subject: OrigamiUSA Convention

     Hi there ... I saw the request for audio/video taping of some of the
     convention sessions, and then making them available afterwards. Audio
     taping should not be a problem, although obviously only a few sessions
     will lend themselves to non-visual reproduction ("fold this bit over
     to here" doesn't work too well on audio). We can easily borrow or
     inexpensively rent a tape recorder or two. Video taping is more of a
     problem. Renting the equipment is more expensive, plus it requires a
     more sophisticated operator. We do have a couple of volunteers who
     bring their video equipment to convention, though, and we can try to
     arrange something. If any of you out there will be attending with your
     video stuff, please email me privately.

     As for visual recognition signals for list members ... I'm open to
     suggestions, but it would be a lot easier for me if we could just have
     them available for adding to name tags at registration. In prior years
     we've used smilies. If that's what people want, I can make sure that
     an ample supply is at each registration station.

     BTW, I will also try to have an email directory available this year,
     or add email addresses to the attendee list.

     If anyone has other requests or suggestions, let me know ...

     Jan Polish (jan_polish@colpal.com)





Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 11:47:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Kirsch)
Subject: Re: Desperately seeking cats

On Tue, 6 May 1997, RA Kennedy wrote:
> Some while back there was a thread about cat models, with several people
> mentioning the wonderful 3D cat by Herman van Goubergen. No doubt many
> wondered about how they could obtain diagrams for this masterpiece.

This cat is also published in "der falter" No. 21.

It is well worth getting the convention pack just for this model.

Yours, Sebastian               sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de,skirsch@t-online.de





Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 11:49:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Kirsch)
Subject: Re: Mosely USA Letter Pentagon

On Thu, 8 May 1997, Kim Best wrote:
> Anyone know of any good models made with a pentagon?

Yes -- Philip Shen's Flower. Published in the BOS booklet 18: "Philip
Shen: Selected Geometric Paper Folds" by Paul Jackson.

Now where do I get 8.5"x11"-Paper here in Germany? All we have is that
stupid A4! :-)

Yours, Sebastian               sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de,skirsch@t-online.de





Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 12:11:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: rick@tridelta.com (Rick Bissell)
Subject: Re: Winson Chan's Kawasaki Rose diagram?

>These two roses do make my top 10 list of favorite models,
>though!
>
>Janet Hamilton

May I ask what the other eight are?

   -- Rick





Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 12:44:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Mosely USA Letter Pentagon

Sebastian Kirsch wrote:
>
>
> Now where do I get 8.5"x11"-Paper here in Germany? All we have is that

If cutting is not a sin ...
Check out my way of cutting square into letter-sized proportion (no ruler, no
calculater) with only 1.3% difference.
http://www.erols.com/sychen1/Diagram/sq2let.pdf

> stupid A4! :-)
>

Oh! Don's say that. A4 is more international standard. Is there any country
     other
than USA using letter sized paper?

|------------------------------------------------------\
|  _     Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) <chens@asme.org>     |\
| |_| Folding http://www.erols.com/sychen1/pprfld.html --\





Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 12:54:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: Brian Nice <bnice@ccci.org>
Subject: Favorite Models

>>> Rick Bissell <rick@tridelta.com> 05/09/97 11:11am >>>
>These two roses do make my top 10 list of favorite models,
>though!
>
>Janet Hamilton

++May I ask what the other eight are?

That sounds like an interesting question. Maybe people
could share their "Top 10" favorite models, as well as which
book has that model/diagram. Being new to origami, I'd like
to hear what people find interesting and fun to fold.

Brian
bnice@ccci.org
Orlando, FL





Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 15:01:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pat Slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: OUSA slave auction :->?

>From the OUSA convention packet:

"We'll have books and paper on sale at the Gold Mine, as well as old
Origamians and other memorabilia...."

Do they come with their own paper?

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 16:02:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mike and Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Winson Chan's Kawasaki Rose diagram?

Rick Bissell wrote:
>
> >These two roses do make my top 10 list of favorite models,
> >though!
> >
> >Janet Hamilton
>
> May I ask what the other eight are?
>
>    -- Rick

Jeremy Sharfer's Enterprise
Patricia Crawford's Three Masted Ship
Steve and Megumi Biddle's Father Christmas
Tomoko Fuse's Cat or Shell Box (from Boxes in One Piece)
The traditional flapping bird
Martin Wall's Crane Greeting Card (BOS 17?)
Joseph Wu's When Pigs Grow Wings and Fly
Tomoko Fuse's modular boxes

I could keep going on and on...but it seems like I do these models over
and over as gifts and such.  They are not too difficult, easily
recognizable, and the result is impressive.

Janet Hamilton

--
mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/





Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 16:02:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: burleigh@hackberry.chem.niu.edu (Darin Burleigh)
Subject: Re: Mosely USA Letter Pentagon

Thanks to Valerie (and Jeannine) for the nice pentagon fold. Simple yet
profound, just what I look for in Origami (and elsewhere).

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Darin Burleigh
burleigh@hackberry.chem.niu.edu
http://hackberry.chem.niu.edu/HOME/dcb/
 '2 kinds of green, look out!' - dieter rot





Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 16:09:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mike and Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Origami Sighting

In looking for the music for "Mary Had a Little Lamb" for my daughter, I
came upon a song called "Paper Ships" in a book called "Teaching Little
Fingers to Play" from John Thompson's Modern Course for the Piano.  It's
and old book that belonged to my husband when he was little.  It has no
ISBN or publication date.  The words to the song are:

When I launch my paper ships in mother's shiny pail, Ah,
How I wish I were a captain really under sail.

Janet Hamilton

--
mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/





Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 16:38:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: OrigamiUSA Convention

Jan,

Can we get a current Supply Center catalog stuck
into the convention kits and sorry kits?

Valerie





Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 16:47:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: Bonnie Elbode <belbode@cms.cc.wayne.edu>
Subject: Re: Origami Sighting

At 04:10 PM 5/9/97 -0300, you wrote:
>In looking for the music for "Mary Had a Little Lamb" for my daughter, I
>came upon a song called "Paper Ships" in a book called "Teaching Little
>Fingers to Play" from John Thompson's Modern Course for the Piano.  It's
>and old book that belonged to my husband when he was little.  It has no
>ISBN or publication date.  The words to the song are:
>
>When I launch my paper ships in mother's shiny pail, Ah,
>How I wish I were a captain really under sail.
>
>Janet Hamilton
>
>--
>mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
>http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/

Janet, I've got that book too (actually a whole series of them).  Bet I know
about when your husband was born!>
Bonnie Elbode
Undergraduate Library
Wayne State University
Detroit, MI  48202
                     belbode@CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU
FAX:     (313) 577-5265





Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 16:57:41 -0300 (ADT)
From: Bonnie Elbode <belbode@cms.cc.wayne.edu>
Subject: Eastern Dragon sighting

Joseph Wu said:
That's the "Eastern dragon", and it's not diagrammed. You can see some
better pictures of it on my web site. I've already gotten a request to teach
that model after hours at OUSA, so if you're going, you can join the fun.

(Sigh)....Thank you, but I can't imagine how I'm going to get to San
Francisco, much as I would love to.   Forgive my ignorance, but I sure wish
you could diagram it or get it diagrammed, and publish! I bet there'd be
a lot of happy campers if you did! I did go out to your web sight and get
all the lovely photo's tho....    I didn't see you in the gallery of 'notables'
somehow though.
Bonnie Elbode
Undergraduate Library
Wayne State University
Detroit, MI  48202
                     belbode@CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU
FAX:     (313) 577-5265





Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 17:26:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jan_Polish@colpal.com (Jan Polish)
Subject: Re[2]: OrigamiUSA Convention

     > Valerie Vann wrote:
     > Can we get a current Supply Center catalog stuck into the convention
     > kits and sorry kits?

     An Origami Source list and order form is normally included in both
     .... Jan (jan_polish@colpal.com)





Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 18:56:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: nienhuis@westworld.com (Bob Nienhuis)
Subject: WCOG Meeting

Anybody have the location of the current meeting place of the West Coast
Origami Guild? I believe the next meeting is scheduled for Saturday the 10th
of May, but don't know where the are meetings are held these days.

Bob Nienhuis
nienhuis@wgn.net
Dollar Bill Origami page
http://www.wgn.net/~nienhuis/





Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 20:34:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: alasdair@staff.feldberg.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Eastern Dragon sighting

At 04:57 PM 5/9/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>
>Joseph Wu said:
>That's the "Eastern dragon", and it's not diagrammed. You can see some
>better pictures of it on my web site. I've already gotten a request to teach
>that model after hours at OUSA, so if you're going, you can join the fun.
>
>(Sigh)....Thank you, but I can't imagine how I'm going to get to San
>Francisco, much as I would love to.   Forgive my ignorance,

san francisco? has the convention moved? i had heard rumors that it was
planning on it, but wasn't aware they had taken action. besides, my
convention materials definitely still say "NYC"

for those that care, i don't think i'll be able to make it to the
convention this year (the second time in 9 years) because i'm going to be
in summer school, and right at the end of a session on that weekend. I'm
sorry, but you'll have to make your own copy runs to kinko's this time
around ;)

peace,

alasdair "copy boy" post-quinn





Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 22:03:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: terryh@lamg.com (Terry Hall)
Subject: Re: WCOG Meeting

Hi Bob,

The WCOG is currently meeting at the Cahuenga Branch library at 4591 Santa
Monica Blvd. a couple of blocks West of Vermont Ave. Hope to see you there.

Terry Hall





Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 23:50:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: havener3@delphi.com (geoline)
Subject: Re: dragons

Snips of what Bonnie wrote:
>I'm with Kevin - I want the diagrams for Mr.
>Wu's Flying Dragon as well!

Add little butterfly wings or pleated stealth jet wings to Joseph Wu's
Chinese dragons, and you get Chinese Thunder Dragons. Interlock several of
them in a circle, and you have the rolling thunder pattern, perfect
talisman for encircling suiseki and bonsai.  Also, Chinese dragons chase
and horde pearls as dragon pearls increase wealth (be it knowledge, power
or possessions) five fold.  So when you display any sort of Chinese dragon,
toss in some symbolic pearls.

The reason Chinese dragons are associated with water is because of the
earlier sea association and pearl ornamentation of ancient Chinese fishing
villages.  Chinese dragons, incidentally, are also associated with the
mountains and mountain rocks (suiseki) because the mountains are
sourrounded by rolling thunder clouds.  Also, due to the plate tectonics of
certain mountain formations, evidence of very ancient sea life can be found
on some mountains where the continents have collided and pushed the earth's
crust from the ocean floor along with shellfish.  Thus Asian dragons are
conncected with water, pearls, thunder, clouds, rain and mountains.

>         I used to know only one dragon (on haunches), then Geoline 'gave'
>me wings, and since then I've found one for a four footed dragon.  Would
>like to develop a dragon repertoire and surprise my daughter's 'sensai' with
>a collection for his 'dojo'.   The dojo's trademark symbol is a red dragon.

Cool. The red dragon of the Cymri (Wales, UK) looks strikingly similar to
Chinese dragons.  The Double Dragon of the Royal Manchurian Order looks so
much like the Double Dragon crest of the Cymri.  The Chinese red dragon is
a relative of the imperial gold dragon and resides over most of the summer
months.  The most noticeable difference between the Manchurian double
dragon and the Cymri double dragon is in the circular symbol above the
dragon twins.  The Manchurian circular is that of the Yin-Yang swirl while
the Cymri circular is the triskele swirl.

2000 is year of the dragon so I am working on dragons of the world in
bonsai, origami, scroll and miniature sculpture.  I am thinking of
plasticizing some of the paper origami so they can rest in the bonsai dish
with the living bonsai tree.

Geoline Havener-Li
email: havener3@delphi.com
http://www.geocities.com/~jaspacecorp/momsai.html





Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 00:30:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: reeds@openix.com (Reeds family)
Subject: Getting back on

My thanks to everyone who helped me get off POSTPONE and back on the list.
Karen
reeds@openix.com





Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 01:01:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pam and/or Namir <pgraben@umich.edu>
Subject:

Gail wrote...
>    I do have one question tho. Are there steps left out of these books
>sometimes? There are some folds I have not been able to do in the  few
>books I do have no matter how closely I follow the directions. I get only
>so far and then the picture and my project no longer look the same from one
>step to the next or am I just not learning how to follow them? I have tried
>each project I have trouble with several times and I get bogged down at the
>same place each time. (i.e. In Fascinating Origami there are several that
>make no sense after a certain place. The little rabbit at step 7 to 8 looks
>totaly different and I can not for the life of me figure out where the
>extra paper comes from to form the feet. Mine comes out the same up to step
>8 each time I fold it. Then poof they go in two differnet directions) Maybe
>I am just dense and can not follow simple pictures. But there are some that
>just simply do not match.

When you find that you have instructions that don't quite make sense, you
may want to check out this document: "Origami Book Errata & Hints" at
http://lynx.dac.neu.edu/home/httpd/z/zbrown/origami/
This document lists typos, diagrammatic error, and hints for difficult or
hard-to-interpret instructions.

And, if you ever figure it out, please email me, so I can include it for others!
Thanks...Namir
!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-
Pamela Graben:     Thinking... what a concept!
Namir Gharaibeh:  "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."
pgraben@umich.edu





Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 02:41:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: Gail Armstrong <jaelle1@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: diagrams

Thank you for your suggestions .... i am not going to be writing for a
while I have been ordered to bed ... I will be getting my emial tho ...
just not able to reply for a bit... I wil be back soon. Thank you agian for
all your help here.

Walk in light new firneds and seeyou all soon.

Gail





Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 06:27:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Kirsch)
Subject: Re: Mosely USA Letter Pentagon

On Fri, 9 May 1997, Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) wrote:
> If cutting is not a sin ...

Can cutting be a sin? :-)

> Check out my way of cutting square into letter-sized proportion (no ruler, no
> calculater) with only 1.3% difference.

Oh, I'd rather remove a 1" wide strip from the long side of an A4 paper.
Making letter paper from a square would be a terrible waste of paper.
(First cutting the A4 paper into a square, then into letter format, and
then into a pentagon.  :-) )

> Oh! Don's say that.

I was only joking. Actually, when it gets to folding some other models(1),
I'm grateful to live in a country where they have reasonable paper
standards. :-)

Yours, Sebastian               sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de,skirsch@t-online.de

(1) eg. Spring-into-Action, Sake Cup, some other models I can't
remember ...





Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 06:31:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: skirsch@t-online.de (Sebastian Kirsch)
Subject: Re: Not folding with squares

Summary: To each his own, as many others have stated.

Now you can read on, if you like.

I'll join this discussion with a folder's point of view, not a creator's.
I have not invented many models, please keep that in mind.

I think you can formalize the quality of a model, using a penalty system.
(TeX uses such a system to determine the quality of a paragraph.) You
distribute penalty points for different aspects of the models.

1. \aestheticspenalty: The finished model is aesthetically pleasing.

I believe this is an important aspect for most people.

2. \interestpenalty: The folding sequence is interesting.

I fold many models for the folding's sake. That's the reason why I like to
fold Robert Lang's Hercules Beetle for relaxation. The finished model is
IMHO aesthetically inferior to, say, his Hermit Crab or some Kawahata
models, but I like its folding sequence, which is very logical and easy to
remember. (I once folded one from my memory.) Exactly the opposite is
Herman van Goubergens "Gecko and Fly on a Wall". The finished model is
extremely interesting, but due to its long precreasing sequence and other
minor points, I have folded it only once.

3. \economypenalty: The paper is used economically.

I'm someone who likes simple, economical and logical solutions. Therefore
I like models where the paper is used economically, ie. the layers are not
accumulating on one spot, the paper size needed to get a pleasing model
is not execptionally large. Examples for economical use of the paper
are Herman van Goubergens "Reader" and especially his "Cat". His Cat model
is from a rectangular triangle, but it is definitely the finest cat model
I have ever seen. For example, the head of this model is formed from a
single layer of paper, and the eyes are just two concave pinches in the
paper. This is a very simple method, but the results are incredible. An
example for uneconomical use of the paper is Yoshizawa's Crab: Yoshizawa
uses a double blintzed fish base to get all the required points. That
means that the finished model is very bulky, and it is very difficult to
fold without tearing the paper.

4. \squarepenalty: The paper format is a square.

This is a point that is rather unimportant for me. Yes, I like folding
from squares for relaxation, but just because I have precut squares. If I
have to cut the paper myself, it does not matter to me whether it is quare
or rectangular. (Triangles or pentagons are harder to cut and produce much
surplus, so I am reluctant to make them, but that's a different point.)

                                 ***

Now you can form an equation which gives you the \modelpenalty, ie. how
much you "unlike" a model. A perfect model would have a \modelpenalty of
0, a terrible model would have a \modelpenalty of 10000.

For me, the equation would be roughly the following:

.30 \aestheticspenalty + .40 \interestpenalty + .20 \economypenalty +
.10 \squarepenalty = \modelpenalty

It is hard to assign concrete values to the penalties for the different
aspects, but you get a picture of what determines whether I like a model
or not.

For Arjan, the equation would be a different one, for example:

.15 \aestheticspenalty + .35 \interestpenalty + .10 \economypenalty +
.40 \squarepenalty = \modelpenalty

(I just made this up, please don't flame if I got it wrong!)

And so on. Every folder has a different equation. You could also subdivide the
different aspects:

Divide \interestpenalty into \subjectpenalty, ie. whether or not you like the
subject, \foldingpenalty, ie. whether you like the folding sequence, and
\unusualpenalty, ie. whether the subject of the model is very unusual or not.

You could equally subdivide all the other aspects.

                                 ***

I'm sorry that this seems very mathematical.

What I want to say is that in my opinion, all you are discussing about are the
coefficients of this equation. But these coefficients are all individual to
each folder, and there are no "right" or "wrong" coefficients.
justified. You are discussing individual preferences, and there are no right
or wrong preferences.

Yours, Sebastian               sebastian_kirsch@kl.maus.de,skirsch@t-online.de

PS: Wow, that was long! And you did manage to endure the article till
here?  And, even more, endure my terrible English? Congratulations! :-) If
you have made it till here, could you please also remind me to introduce
myself properly?

PPS: David Lister wrote something about folders' profiles. Could be
similar to what I have stated here. Anyway ...





Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 10:41:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Mosely USA Letter Pentagon

Sebastian Kirsch wrote:

> Can cutting be a sin? :-)

I was joking too 8-)

> Oh, I'd rather remove a 1" wide strip from the long side of an A4 paper.
> Making letter paper from a square would be a terrible waste of paper.
> (First cutting the A4 paper into a square, then into letter format, and
> then into a pentagon.  :-) )

Ok, I missed your point. The reason I have 'square to letter' cut dates
back to my letter-sized design. I designed my girl angel model thru
playing around the office leftover. (Letter sized paper) Afterward I
discovered the model was best folded from duo-color paper and I found
non of the duo-color papers are letter-sized precut available. So I
ended up cutting it myself from square duo-color paper. Now I would
prefer the model designed from square. So the above model is the only
one model of my own from letter-sized paper.

Well. You don't like the method in my previous mail. Here is my way of
converting any rectangle (with slender aspect ratio > 11/8.5 such as A4)
into letter size (aspect ratio difference is only less than 0.1%, no
ruler again!): You know the answer for A4, right? How about other
rectangles?

1) Place rectangle sideways on.
2) Fold right short side to lower long side to make 45 deg crease and
unfold
3) Valley fold the right short side to the 45 deg crease (kite fold)
4) Fold left short side along a vertical line which passes the other end
of 45 deg crease (upper left end of 45 deg crease). This fold indeed
determins a square.
5) The top flap covers part of folded triangular flap from right. Fold
the top left flap back along the vertical line which passes the tip of
the right triangular flap; This new fold determins the rectangle with
letter-sized aspect ratio(8.5x11).
6) Cut along the crease made at step 5. The cut-off stripe would be 1 in
if you use A4 paper. Is this a magic?

I would put this into my web page later as well.

Have a nice fold!
|------------------------------------------------------\
|  _     Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) <chens@asme.org>     |\
| |_| Folding http://www.erols.com/sychen1/pprfld.html --\





Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 14:04:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: rhudson@netrax.net (Hudson-Robert)
Subject: Origamians

>"We'll have books and paper on sale at the Gold Mine, as well as old
>Origamians and other memorabilia...."
>
>Do they come with their own paper?

Now's the chance, Jeannine!  You can purchase your own elite team of
origamists for your Menger Sponge project.

Pre-trained!  They fold, they assemble, they clean, they iron!

Rob





Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 09:14:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Robert D. Maldonado" <robertma@csufresno.edu>
Subject: animated GIF of a paper airplane

Found this at the Microsoft site.  It's an animated GIF of a paper
airplane, starting with a piece of paper, folded into a plane and then
flying loop-de-loops.

http://www.microsoft.com/imagecomposer/gifanimator/samples/airplane.gif

It's moderately fun.

Robert





Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 09:15:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pam and/or Namir <pgraben@umich.edu>
Subject: Hints on ISCO-horse

Hey all.
I have some technical questions for folks with Issei Super Complex Origami
(ISCO), specifically, the horse.  I managed to get through the whole model,
and it is
strikingly beautiful!  It seems faitly forgiving, and there is much to learn
with this model.
Anyway, down to brass tacks...  Incidentally, if anyone wants to translate
the entire book,
I think I'd have to hug you, and then be forever in your debt!

Step 31-32:  What's the little star supposed to indicate?
Step 45-49: Same question.  Is it just to indicate orientation over a
sequence of folds, maybe?

Step 48: Assuming you've folded everything perfect, I can't seem to collapse
this into
the form shown.  Is rightmost corner (ending on the peak fold) supposed to
match up
to the corner indicated on the left?  In step 50, the tall vertical part
leans back more
than the picture on mine.  I'm pretty sure I did it right, but I was
wondering if anyone
else experienced the same thing.

Step 63: step 62 seems pretty straightforward.  There is a boxed comment on 63,
and an exclamation point (do they mean the same thing in English & Japanese?).
He seems to be making an important pojnt, but I didn't find anything
unusual, except
making sure you fold the small flap up with the rest.

Step 66: What is the A, B, and C referring to?

Step 73: My biggest stumper!  When I made the valley fold as indicated (left
edge on
hollow circle), I don't get the fold shown.  Is the valley fold right at the
bi-color?  Mine
came over quite a bit into the white.  This step seemed pretty crucial as it
is the defining
fold in step 77.  After 73, I couldn't get the triangle shown in 77 anyway.
I had to kludge it
into final form shown in step 80.  And it worked!

Step 103: What's happening here?  Is it a crimp?  Is the top-most line a
vally fold?  Is
there only one peak fold?

Ugh.  I know this might sound confusing, so if anyone need clarification,
just tell me.
I did finish it, and except for those steps, the model is really pretty
straightforward, as
most of the rest of them (I think).  I love this book, and all the models in
it.  For me,
the amount of folding is just challenging enough to stump me every now and then,
but yeilds some of the nicest models I've folded.  They're just plain fun to
fold!  I'm starting
 the motorcycles next.

Thanks...
Namir
!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-
Pamela Graben:     Thinking... what a concept!
Namir Gharaibeh:  "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."
pgraben@umich.edu





Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 09:15:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: BOS supplies page

Hi all,

I'm in the process of updating the BOS supplies page to allow on-line
ordering. It isn't fully working yet, but if anyone has time, could they
check the page, send me a test order & comment on the user-friendliness/
accuracy of it.

The code uses the FORM method to mail your choices back to me. If anyone
currently uses this method & can give me any advice on using it
effectively (such as getting the data into an Access database, for
example) I'd love to hear how you did it. I haven't ventured into CGI
scripts yet & would rather not...

I also would appreciate suggestions for sending credit details securely!

In case you missed my last announcement, have a look at John Smith's
origami profiles section, recently added under "folding".

all the best,

Nick Robinson

personal email  nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk





Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 09:16:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: about  teaching stories

Michel Bartoloni wrote
"Today I want to tell you a tale of real inspiration...inspiration
in the form of a 15 year old girl. Nov. 20th 1996, I was in the
hospital finally taking care of a couple of severly herniated disks".
This was a story of an origami happening and what I like to call magical
moments with Origami.  The subject of his E-mail was" pain and inspiration
teaching"  Try to read it if you still have it.  It is a wonderful true
 inspirational story and I know many of us have these same or similar
serendipity origami  happenings.  These to me are part of the wonderful
journey of doing origami.......We  would certainly like to hear more of them.
 Perhaps more  of you will share them with us.  I have had so many of them
over the 37 years of doing origami and will most certainly share them with
you as soon as I have a little more time.  We are trying to put the How I Got
Started Stories together  to share with the Origami -L We had a wonderful
response to that thread.  These are just for fun. Hope to see lots of you at
the convention.......Dorigamically yours





Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 09:16:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Judy Morimoto <jkmorimoto@msn.com>
Subject: RE:  Origami Popularity

I am responding to Matthias Gutfeldt's question on why the recipients list has
grown over the last few months.  I thought I would share the reason why I
became a part of this group.  I never realized how involved origami can be
until I began reading the letters from the various origami-l group.  I guess
my view on origami is pretty simplistic.  I enjoy making cranes and other
beings from paper. (I'm a results oriented person!)  As a hobby, I make
greeting cards by painting a sumie picture (japanese brush painting.)  This
year, I wanted to be different and add an origami crane to my card.  My
husband suggested I locate some web sites on this subject.....and here I am.
.

Judy





Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 14:22:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: terryh@lamg.com (Terry Hall)
Subject: Re: WCOG Meeting

Bob,
The address that I sent to you was correct but the location is two blocks
East of Vermont, not West as I stated in my last message.

Terry





Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 20:45:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Mosely USA Letter Pentagon

Just to repeat, if I may:

The USA Letter Pentagon is entirely
Jeannine Mosely's invention, including
the way to do the "unmarked" pentagon
that I supplied the ASCII diagram for.
The original method that Jeannine posted
(in answer to "what is USA Letter size
paper good for) just happened to have
the most information, i.e. the full underlying
geometry, the pentagram/5-pt-star and the
pentagon.

I sort of stuck my oar in so to speak because
I knew Jeannine is very busy with other projects
(e.g. Biz Card Sponge) and also because I had
recently been playing with pentagons again and
was diagramming a couple of dishes to make from
them as examples of what to do with my PGP (pretty
good pentagon from square), and her's provides
an alternate source (and a more accurate one too!)

It may be noted that there is quite a lot of USA Letter
printed with nice designs for use in desktop publishing
of flyers & announcements. I found a 25 sheet pack of
one of these in fairly heavy paper printed with an
ocean sunset - just orange/yellow/pink/mauve streaking
essentially, and it makes quite lovely dishes and boxes
than look like orange-pink marble. The heavy paper is
nice to shape.

Anyway, folks, let's call this "Jeannine Mosely's Pentagon",
because all I had to do with it was say "OH HOT DOG!
Jeannine's done it again!" and reach for the recycle paper
box behind the laser printer...

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com
valerivann@aol.com
Mostly Modular/Geometric Origami Web Pages:
http://people.delphi.com/vvann/index.html
http://users.aol.com/valerivann/index.html
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/valerie_vann





Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 20:47:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: OrigamiUSA Convention

Jan Polish wrote:
<<An Origami Source list and order form is normally included in both
   [Convention Kits, Regular and "Sorry"]

That's good news, Jan, I didn't remember whether they were or not.
How far are we from getting at least an ASCII or Acrobat current
catalog on the OUSA Web site (I don't mean a full online "store",
just a downloadable copy of the current catalog)?

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com
valerivann@aol.com
Mostly Modular/Geometric Origami Web Pages:
http://people.delphi.com/vvann/index.html
http://users.aol.com/valerivann/index.html
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/valerie_vann





Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 00:31:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Incommunicado

Well, I'm off in 3 days. My sojourn in Japan is over. At least the living part
of it. From May 16 to June 4, I'll be vacationing in Japan, away from e-mail.
I hope to see some of you in New York at the end of June! If there are any
more suggestions on what I should teach while I'm there, please send them to
me soon! And send them to me privately, since I've set myself to "postpone" on
this list. It's kinda strange to have someone doing that deliberately, isn't
it? 8)

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 03:20:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: New Diagrams for Archive

I'm uploading some new diagrams to the origami-L archive.
They are in the form of a single Adobe Acrobat PDF format
file called

PPENGUIN.PDF

The subject is a "PRACTICE PENGUIN". This model is a little
Penguin that is primarily 2 dimensional and can be used as
a bookmark or to decorate a greeting card. It will stand up,
however, to make a place card. (You can use a jelly-bean
for a penguin egg.)

However, its primary purpose is as a teaching model, as it
contains Squash and Petal folds, A Closed Wrap, Crimps, A
Double Rabbit Ear, and one to three Sinks, some optional,
and some explanation about finding ways to do closed sinks
without actually doing a closed sink.

The idea is to present a model that a teacher can use to
teach these techniques, while having a model in which no
great time and materials are lost if the sinks are not
successful.

Crumple up some white or spoiled origami, and make icebergs
for a troup of penquins!

The diagrams will eventually also show up on my web pages.

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com
valerivann@aol.com
Mostly Modular/Geometric Origami Web Pages:
http://people.delphi.com/vvann/index.html
http://users.aol.com/valerivann/index.html
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/valerie_vann





Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 03:45:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Eastern Dragon sighting

On Fri, 9 May 1997, Bonnie Elbode wrote:

=(Sigh)....Thank you, but I can't imagine how I'm going to get to San
=Francisco, much as I would love to.

New York. San Francisco is PCOC in November. I'll try to be there, but no
promises yet.

=Forgive my ignorance, but I sure wish you could diagram it or get it
=diagrammed, and publish! I bet there'd be a lot of happy campers if you did!

Yes, I know. I'm still a very lazy diagrammer!

=I did go out to your web sight and get all the lovely photo's tho....  I
=didn't see you in the gallery of 'notables' somehow though.

No, that gallery's a bit old, and at the time I didn't want to toot my own
horn. I haven't seen much need to change that particular point of view since
then, either. 8)

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:40:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Italian Origami Convention

Hi all !

I am pleased to inform you that the 15th Italian Origami Convention (Centro
Diffusione Origami) will be held on December 6-7-8 at Castel San Pietro
Terme near Bologna (about 150 km north of Florence). Anybody interested
should contact the CDO (cdo@essenet.it) or CDO President Raffaele Leonardi
(frafaele@mbox.vol.it) for info's and reservations. To learn more about our
"special" Conventions, you can read an article by Jan Polish (who attended
last year) on a recent issue of The Paper.

Welcome !

Roberto

see CDO Webpage at
http://www.essenet.it/cdo





Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:00:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: Daniel Say <say@sfu.ca>
Subject: Re: ORIGAMI not! Software

You might have an index to this, but it's not origami
except in the idea of folding a strip of paper.

http://www.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/win3/math/paper16.zip
ftp://ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/win3/math/paper16.zip   1821320 bytes

paper16.zip     Paper-Folding-Fractals: Create your own

Paper-Folding-Fractals is a software simulation that allows the user to
create billions of different fractals that form from repeated patterns of
paper folding.  Most of these fractals have not yet bee constructed -
and no one knows what they will look like.  Additionally, the software
provides a step-by-step explanation of a particularly famous paper
folding fractal called the Dragon.

Special requirements: None.

Shareware.  Uploaded by the author.

Joel Castellanos
joel@es.rice.edu
http://riceinfo.rice.edu/projects/NonEuclid/paper/





Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 23:10:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: steve179@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: New Diagrams for Archive

On 05/12/97 03:21:00 you wrote:
>
>I'm uploading some new diagrams to the origami-L archive.
>They are in the form of a single Adobe Acrobat PDF format
>file called
>
>PPENGUIN.PDF
>

OK ... Where is the origami-L archive ? Thanks

By the way ... before I found this mailing list I had visited your Web site
and got the diagram using the 3 Postiks. It's great with neon Postiks ...
and it never occurred to me that I had a ready supply of perfect squares
on my desk at the office. Thanks again.





Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:32:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: Dennis Brannon <brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com>
Subject: RE: Michael Lafosse & cloth-paper (foil folding)

>have often wondered about gluing cloth to paper or foil.  I guess I will
>have to give it a try one day, it obviously isn't impossible, though I can't
>see how the creases would hold very well.
>
>                                                        Cathy

Think of it in a different way.  With cloth glued to foil, you are folding and
creasing the foil.  Which holds creases very well.  The cloth sometimes
makes the folds want to unfold, but the foil usually does a good job of
holding its shape.

I use velvet glued to aluminum foil with automotive spray glue and
have folded lots of dragons and dinosaurs from it.  I like the soft rounded
look the models get from the thick velvet.  And it gets past the attitude
that I sometimes encounter that "its just paper".   Folding something
that looks like a stuffed toy animal triggers the "wow" reaction in
in people that aren't usually impressed by origami.

For waterproof models, I fold out of colored cellophane glued to foil.
This is for models that go in potted plants (houseplants, bonsai, etc.)
I also use it to make eye-catching glittering insects - the foil shows
thru the cellophane - dark red works really well.

But if you want a "quick stomp on it" reaction, fold bugs out of black
tissue glued to foil.  The black color seems to trigger a gut level
reaction, and foil lets you "unsquash" the bug afterwards.

dennis

Dennis Brannon
brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com
Littleton, Massachusetts USA





Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 14:24:42 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jennifer Andre <JAndre@cfipro.com>
Subject: Hawaiian Origami Supplies

     Hi, All!

     I'll be on the big island in a couple of weeks.  My group will stay in
     Kailua-Kona and we plan a day's trip into Hilo.  I'm looking
     specifically for Japanese language origami books and papers otherwise
     unavailable on the US Mainland.

     Can anyone recommend any particular shops?

     Thank you!
     - Jennifer
     JAndre@cfipro.com
     Portland, Oregon, USA

     Fold it, ergo sum.





Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 16:12:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: havener3@delphi.com (geoline)
Subject: Re: Hawaiian Origami Supplies

Jennifer <JAndre@cfipro.com> looks:

>     I'll be on the big island in a couple of weeks.  My group will stay in
>     Kailua-Kona and we plan a day's trip into Hilo.  I'm looking
>     specifically for Japanese language origami books and papers otherwise
>     unavailable on the US Mainland.

Dear Jennifer:

I don't know about origami supplies on the Big Island, but if you stopover
Honolulu (capital city of the state of Hawaii) on the island of Oahu, there
are a couple of Japanese bookstores that carry a wonderful array of origami
supplies and origami related paper doll crafts.  I'm posting their
addresses and telephone numbers for people who may want to call them and
ask if they can do mail order:

My favorite Japanese bookstore in the Chinese Cultural Plaza:
HAKUBUNDO INC
100 N Beretania
Honolulu, Hawaii 96817
voice phone: 1-808-521-3805

BUNBUNDO BOOKSTORE
655 Keeamoku
Honolulu, Hawaii 96814
voice phone: 1-808-947-2525
fax: 1-808-942-4788

Have a wonderful visit!

Me Ke Aloha,
Geoline

PS: If you grab some bags of Kona Coffee, I'll trade finely sculpted
imperial dragons, Japanese Origami Paperdolls, or whatever creature on
handcrafted black display stands!





Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 19:35:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: Eric Andersen <Eric_Andersen@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: ORIGAMI not! Software

At 05:00 PM 5/12/97 -0300, you wrote:
>... Additionally, the software
>provides a step-by-step explanation of a particularly famous paper
>folding fractal called the Dragon.

Hi Joel (and everyone else)!

   About a year ago or so I posted to this list about how to fold the
dragon curve. I learned this from Heinz-Otto Peitgen, a German
mathematician, at a math convention at Princeton several years ago.

   I wonder who first thought of this paperfolding method?

-Eric  :-P

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      A                   A
     /|\            \    /|\                  /-\.
    / | \            \\ / | \ /7\          a miniature
   /__|__\            \/__|__\/             Kawahata
   \  |  /             \_/ \_/             stegosaurus
    \ | /             Flapping
     \|/                bird      Eric Andersen | math major
      V                        Brown University | origami@brown.edu
  Bird Base                 http://www.netspace.org/~ema/origami.html





Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 19:53:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: always <a6971@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Hawaiian Origami Supplies

Jennifer Andre wrote:
>
>      Hi, All!
>
>      I'll be on the big island in a couple of weeks.  My group will stay in
>      Kailua-Kona and we plan a day's trip into Hilo.  I'm looking
>      specifically for Japanese language origami books and papers otherwise
>      unavailable on the US Mainland.
>
>      Can anyone recommend any particular shops?
>
>      Thank you!
>      - Jennifer
>      JAndre@cfipro.com
>      Portland, Oregon, USA
>
>      Fold it, ergo sum.Hi! Are you going to visit only Big Island? If you
     have a chance to
visit Honolulu I know one Japanese book store. The name of the store is
Bun Bun Do and the address is 655 Keeaumoku St. Honolulu. Phone # is
947-2525. Good luck





Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 20:57:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Sq Paper before or after wetting?

Thanks to Alex Bateman's origami-l search and Maarten's origami-l
archiving I spent the last few days reviewing all the messages with
'wet' and 'fold' in them.  660Kbytes worth!  Thanks to both of you for
your efforts and to everyone who wrote on origami-l!

I have recently done a bit of wet folding (the first since the
convention last year, time flies!) with a coworker and the subject of
when to square the paper came up, before or after wetting.  Joseph Wu's
page weighs in for squaring after, Nick Robinson's page waffles, but
suggests squaring after, and a message from Anne LaVin at MIT reports
that Michael LaFosse weighs in for squaring before, which is what I
remember from his class at convention '95.  My personal experience has
been more successful squaring after wetting, but I am not at all sure
I've folded the square before wetting paper "properly."  So, I'm
inviting more comment and perhaps an informal "Dunno, but I square
[before/after/during] wetting" replies.

-Doug





Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 22:43:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: Ronnie White <ronew@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Sq Paper before or after wetting?

At 08:57 PM 5/13/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Thanks to Alex Bateman's origami-l search and Maarten's origami-l
>archiving I spent the last few days reviewing all the messages with
>'wet' and 'fold' in them.  660Kbytes worth!  Thanks to both of you for
>your efforts and to everyone who wrote on origami-l!
>
>I have recently done a bit of wet folding (the first since the
>convention last year, time flies!) with a coworker and the subject of
>when to square the paper came up, before or after wetting.  Joseph Wu's
>page weighs in for squaring after, Nick Robinson's page waffles, but
>suggests squaring after, and a message from Anne LaVin at MIT reports
>that Michael LaFosse weighs in for squaring before, which is what I
>remember from his class at convention '95.  My personal experience has
>been more successful squaring after wetting, but I am not at all sure
>I've folded the square before wetting paper "properly."  So, I'm
>inviting more comment and perhaps an informal "Dunno, but I square
>[before/after/during] wetting" replies.
>
>-Doug
>
I also debated this same question when I started wet-folding. What made up
my mind was when I watched a Michael LaFosse video. The way he wet-folded
from a dry square piece of paper was to only wet the part of the paper where
the crease was going to be. He continued in this way for the early parts of
the model when critical parts needed to line up correctly, after that the
whole model was dampened. Judging from his results it obviously works.
Ron White
ronew@mindspring.com

"Never underestimate the incredible destructive power of origami"

                                                  Earthworm Jim





Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 22:47:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: Maldon7929@aol.com
Subject: Subject: Smithsonian Postal Museum Envelope Contest

Hello All,

I just received a list of the winning entries for The Graceful Envelope and
Pushing The Envelope contests.  There are 102 finialists, but no names I
recognize. Were any of the Origami-L denizens selected?

Maldon Wilson





Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 02:49:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: Amerob@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hawaiian Origami Supplies

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Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 09:41:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: rick@tridelta.com (Rick Bissell)
Subject: origami sighting!

Here's an origami sighting that was reported to me by
my 8 year-old daughter, Leslie.

The Nickelodean channel has a regular feature called
"Big Helpers in Action" that showcases projects by kids
that help the community, the ecology, etc.  This
morning's installment showed some school children folding
origami models of extinct animals.

   -- Rick
