




Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 07:46:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: Eric Andersen <Eric_Andersen@brown.edu>
Subject: Nomadic Netsurfer in need of a program that will generate and

Hi everyone! I got the following request from the Nomadic Netsurfer. I
figured someone on this list would have some suggestions. Thanks!

-Eric  :-P

>Need a program that will generate and turn wireframe objects into 2D
>objects. What this means is, taking a wireframe 3D object and flattening it
>out to be printed on paper...then cut the shape out of the printout and be
>able to fold it into that shape. I hope someone can help me out...much
>thanks. I'm using Windows 95. Making chests (ex:treasure chest) and need to
>be able to make unique shapes...right now all I can do is make them square.
>If you can't help..if possible...pass this on to someone that may be able
>to help...thank you for your time.

Oh yeah. His email is:  zewizard@lightspeed.net

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Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 07:57:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: Gail Armstrong <jaelle1@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: E-mail

Hello,

   I am sorry if I have not written a lot in the mailing list. I am very
new to this and I have really found very little I felt moved to reply to. I
am not an accomplished folder as of yet so I really have little to offer
until I learn more. I was raised to speak little when the subject is
unknown and to listen to experience until you can add something new to the
conversation. So I am listening and learning and when I have learned enough
I shall also write here. I hope this is not considered rude in a mailing
list and I thank any and all I have been learning from.

I would like to know how one can get folding patterns without having to buy
the books. I would love to own these many books but I am disabled and live
on a very fixed income so buying books is out for me, as is going to the
library. I am homebound and just moved to a new city so I do not know
anyone who can go to the library for me. Library books are not a good way
of getting them as you can not keep them for future use.

Thank you





Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 08:58:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Edible Origami (was:Re: So Called Processed Cheese "SQUARES")

geoline wrote:
>
> John Abott responded to the cheesy menu:
> >I think I'd rather eat paper.
> There is thin, melt-in-you-mouth rice paper used to wrap some Japanese
> candy.  I forget what name of candy was, cause it's been years since I was
> a five year old. (Something like Tomoe...)

We used to buy "eating paper" in Germany. But it is too crisp
for folding. Maybe wetfolding would be an option, althought the
stuff gets very soggy and sticky...

> Speaking of edible origami, wonton wrapper squares and perhaps some types
> of nori (seaweed wrap for sushi) might work.  Then there is crepes and
> burrito tortilla (which I call Mexican sushi).  I wonder if Fruit Roll-Ups
> can be used for simple origami edibles...

What a great idea! Crepes should work OK, they can be made
very thin. After folding, they can be glazed with jam, and
served with whipped cream... I can imagine guests with their
mouth gaping and their eyes popping :-).

Tom, and Geoline: Thanks for a wonderful idea!

Matthias





Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 09:20:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: Brian Nice <bnice@ccci.org>
Subject: Japanese Origami books

Hey all-
I have a friend going to Japan in a few weeks.  I would like
her to get an origami book for me while she is there. I figure
there must be some books that you can get in Japan that
you cannot get in the United States. Any suggestions? I
don't care if it is in Japanese  (my Japanese is coming
along, though the reading part is a little difficult :-)) I also
don't want a really easy book, I would like one that has
some cool interesting designs.

Thanks for the input
Brian
bnice@ccci.org





Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 09:32:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steven Casey <scasey@enternet.com.au>
Subject: Spotted Books : by Michael LaFosse

Last Saturday I went into one of my favorite bookstore in the city of
Melbourne, McGuills , and spotted three books by Michael LaFosse (welcome to
the list Michael). Unfortunately I can't afford them at the moment(sob).
Anyway I was particularly impressed with the professional presentation,(
colour photo's and diagrams). They're published by the same publisher that
did Paul Jackson's Pop-Up book and follow a similar format. Each has a
separate theme,being  Animals, Flowers and Boxes. Traditional paper craft
techniques are employed in a number of projects and are very appealing. Pre
printed templates and sheets make reproducing the projects even easier. Some
familiar origami techniques are used throughout and some models are pure
origami. These books are likely to appeal to a wider market than a standard
origami book but make tempt someone to move towards origami.

cheers,

Steven Casey,
scasey@enternet.com.au

Melbourne, Australia





Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 09:54:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Goveia, William P" <wgoveia@indiana.edu>
Subject: RE: Folding from Non-Square paper

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kim Best [SMTP:kim.best@m.cc.utah.edu]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 1997 7:54 PM
> To:   Multiple recipients of list
> Subject:      Re: Folding from Non-Square paper
>
> After reading the debate about Square vs Non-square paper, it occurrs
> to
> me that its is very simular to the  Intel vs Macintosh debate in
> personal computers.
>
> [Goveia, William P]
> Or Photogrpahy's Nikon Vs. Canon debate, or (back to the computer
> world again) DOS Vs. Unix, NT Vs. OS/2, Word Vs. Wordperfect.  I think
> people debate these thing to death for entertainment, not as anything
> personal. When I think about it, I think the whole dichotomy thing
> does sometimes miss the boat.  Goveia's rule of Argument "There are
> more than 2 sides to any given argument" and it's corrollary "When
> there are only 2 sides to an argument, find at least one more."  For
> instance, what if I were to throw the question why only ploygonal
> shapes of paper...Non square covers circles as well...
>
> [Goveia, William P]  SNIP...
>
> So you argue all you want about the superiority of your Mac-ngon.
> People don't want to throw away all thier old stuff and buy new stuff.
>
> They want to find newer and better ways to fold the old stuff.  So
> deal
> with it!  Big Blue squares rule.
>
> [Goveia, William P]
> Hear Hear.  Although I would qualify the remarks about the computer
> indsutry by saying old computer brands never die, they just find niche
> markets (ala Amigas are used by Video Toaster, whose primary custmoers
> are TV stations).  Mac will never really die, it will just move on to
> it's next plane of existence...probably in Newspaper and Magazine
> graphic design shops...
>
> (The the above was a joke, I didn't really mean to insult anyones
> computer.  Or their origami for that matter....)
>
> [Goveia, William P]
> I know what you mean.  Being a heretic is hard work, isn't it? <g>  As
> a PC person in a primarily PC based environment, and a Systems
> Administrator, I am sometimes a pariah for saying "Well, no, Mac's
> don't suck, they just don't sell..."   ;-)
>
> ##########################################
> William Goveia, LAN Operations and Applications Specialist
> Education Technology Services
> School oF Education, Indiana University at Bloomington
> http://education.indiana.edu/~wgoveia





Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 09:39:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: LLATM@aol.com
Subject: Re: Origami-L popularity

Hi all,
I just joined the list. For me, as a member of OUSA, it was the article by
Charles Knuffle in The Paper that made my connecting easy. I received the
winter issue of The Paper just a couple of weeks ago so perhaps many of us,
who vaguely knew about the list, have joined now. (For me the fact that I
just got the computer  may have helped too!!.)

Leyla Torres
Brooklyn NY
LLATM@aol.com





Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 10:01:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: A.Welles@student.kun.nl
Subject: Re: Rare Animals

I did some animals I haven't seen before in books such as:
a (Eurasian) badger (Meles meles, complete with black and white pattern
on the head), a wildebeest, a yak, a platypus (though not a very good
one I must admit), a kiwi (although I have heard Robert Lang also did one),
an earwig, etc.

To put in another challenge: could anyone do a bird sitting in a tree from
one piece of square (although as I have been noticing people might wanna
go for the reactangle), uncut! Please let me know if you managed to do one!
I have lack of time to do some seriously thinking on this subject....

Oh by the way: thanks for your help finding the Samurai Helmet Beetle again!
I managed to do one, although perfection is required, it look pretty cool!

I'd like to hear other animals that people would like to see in Origami
but are rare. (Challenge #2: how about a shrimp, with 10 legs and
antennae...) That can always be a great inspiration!

Arjan Welles
The Netherlands
A.Welles@student.kun.nl





Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 10:37:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Spotted Books : by Michael LaFosse

Steven Caser wrote about finding **BOOKS** by Michael LaFosse in the
McGuills bookstore in Melbourne Australia.  I haven't seen them in any
of the stores in Pittsburgh, yet, but since the OUSA '97 convention is
only slightly over a month away, I think I will be disciplined and pick
up my copies there (Michael, do you know if they will be available at
the convention?)

Yummy!

-Doug





Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 10:38:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@erols.com>
Subject: Re: E-mail

Gail Armstrong wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>    I am sorry if I have not written a lot in the mailing list. I am very
> new to this and I have really found very little I felt moved to reply to. I
> am not an accomplished folder as of yet so I really have little to offer
> until I learn more. I was raised to speak little when the subject is
> unknown and to listen to experience until you can add something new to the
> conversation. So I am listening and learning and when I have learned enough
> I shall also write here. I hope this is not considered rude in a mailing
> list and I thank any and all I have been learning from.

You don't need to be sorry. You have no obligation to write. And
you have no obligation to read it either. There are indeed a lot of
lurkers in this list. Considering "5xx" subscribers in this list you can
get more than 70 mails per day if "each" subscriber post a mail once a
week.

We are all learners. I learn a lot since I joined this list 2 years ago.
Each person has unique strength, personality, and background. You can
learn more by partipating the discussion/asking questions. We would love
to see origami popularity grow. Plus we like making pal friends
especially if you live in an area with litte origami friends and
supplies.

> library. I am homebound and just moved to a new city so I do not know
> anyone who can go to the library for me. Library books are not a good way
> of getting them as you can not keep them for future use.
>

As for getting diagrams...

If you are willing to release where you live. I am sure someone nearby
will kindly lend you books or diagrams. Or you may contact local group
if any.

Have you ever tried the diagrams in netland?
Joseph Wu's - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami/
Origami Interest Group - ftp://ftp.rug.nl/origami/index.htm

Good luck!

|------------------------------------------------------\
|  _     Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) <chens@asme.org>     |\
| |_| Folding http://www.erols.com/sychen1/pprfld.html --\





Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 11:11:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Folding from Non-Square paper

Kim Best wrote:

+After reading the debate about Square vs Non-square paper, it occurrs to
+me that its is very simular to the  Intel vs Macintosh debate in
+personal computers.

An interesting analogy...

+It doesn't really matter why the square is more popular, it just is.
+The books have mostly diagrams using squares.  The bases were developed
+for squares.  Most prepackaged paper comes in squares.  So when someone
+designs a new model, they will most like use a square.
+
+So you argue all you want about the superiority of your Mac-ngon.
+People don't want to throw away all thier old stuff and buy new stuff.

except that the analogy fails because the economic parallel just
doesn't work.  You don't have to throw away anything, since starting from
a different shape doesn't mean you can no longer start from a square. ;-)
Ok, so the analogy fails on another ground, the exclusivity parallel isn't
there either:  (Sarcasm alert, for those who aren't sure:)
    Oh, I couldn't possibly keep any of my existing origami books with
    square based models once I switched to the new Philips-gon method, why
    the artistic dissonance was just toooooooo much to bear!  And I had to
    immediately convert all my square paper into triangles and hexagons and
    ...

However, the analogy you allude to in your middle paragraph does work,
and that is the droning and unthinking devotion to the status quo
simply because it is the status quo.
    (More scarcasm:) all I can buy is squares so that is all I want to
    fold from...

The real confusion is making the analogy between paper and/or diagrams
and computers.  It is the folder that is the computer not the diagrams
or paper... they are the programs and input!  And folders are so much more
versatile...

-Doug





Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 11:35:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: Carlos Alberto Furuti <furuti@ahand.unicamp.br>
Subject: Re: Rare Animals

>>From A.Welles@student.kun.nl Tue May  6 10:09:45 1997

>>To put in another challenge: could anyone do a bird sitting in a tree from
>>one piece of square (although as I have been noticing people might wanna

Hmm, what do you mean as "a tree"?? Just as a joke, if we're going to
preserve relative sizes, one could fold a tree (check e.g. Lang's
excellent gum tree in Origami Animals), make a tiny rabbit's ear in
one limb and call that the bird; at true scales, no one could complain
about lack of detail... More seriously, there's for instance a
kingfisher on a twig (check Eduardo Clemente's Papiroflexia, published
in Spain); at a distance the model resembles a greek cross - the twig
has no branches or leaves and is about as long as the bird itself -
but it does use an uncut square.

Related to the "bird+tree" challenge, IMHO it looks like
"multiple-theme" models are not so common today (see Lang's piano
player, Clemente's bird+nets+chicks, also approached by Elias) as "of
old" (Elias's bullfighter+bull, genius+lamp, The Last Dance, Brill's
horse+rider, Crawford's squirrel+log, Harbin's (?)  Double Dutch,
Derksen's double swans, not to mention sembazuru orikata). And yes,
some of these used uncut squares.

>>I'd like to hear other animals that people would like to see in Origami
>>but are rare. (Challenge #2: how about a shrimp, with 10 legs and
>>antennae...) That can always be a great inspiration!
Photos of very realistic shrimp and (I think) scampi appeared in recent
ORU issues.

Carlos A. Furuti
furuti@ahand.unicamp.br www.ahand.unicamp.br/~furuti





Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 12:19:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Japanese Origami books

Brian Nice wrote:
+I have a friend going to Japan in a few weeks.  I would like
+her to get an origami book for me while she is there. I figure
+there must be some books that you can get in Japan that
+you cannot get in the United States. Any suggestions?

With the various Japanese and Origami stores (some on the web, some
not) there are few origami books from Japan that you can't get.  Paper,
on the other hand, is much trickier to come by, or rather, there is a
lot of cool paper in Japan that you can't get in the US.

In Joseph Wu's trip report posted to origami-l on 16.April.97 he mentions
getting some specially thin foil for Robert Lang... so you might want
to consider asking for a tube of paper instead!!

Here is part of Joseph's message regarding paper:

    Origami Kaikan

    At about lunch time, I headed out to go paper shopping at the
    Origami Kaikan (a.k.a. Yushima no Kobayashi). According to their
    brochure, theyre the people who invented pre-cut, pre-packaged
    origami paper.  Anyway, armed with a sketched map that Yamaguchi
    had drawn for me last year (yes, I kept it...he was surprised,
    too), I had no problems finding the place. About half a block
    before the store, however, I found an eyeglasses shop with a huge
    display of origami cranes. Rather, they were not origami cranes,
    but wire representations of origami cranes. Knowing that
    Maekawa-san would be interested, I took several pictures of it. Ill
    have to send some prints to him.

    The Origami Kaikan was pretty much as Id remembered it. Some of the
    sample crafts on display were different, but the paper was all the
    same. I went there mainly because Id offered to search for some
    ultra-thin foil for Robert Lang.  Hed bought some there before, but
    was running very low. I roamed around looking for it, but couldnt
    find any, so I finally asked. Silly me. There was a whole other
    room in that store with much more paper. Id totally missed it last
    time, and wouldve missed it this time if I hadnt said anything.
    Anyway, I found the foil in the other room, and bought some, along
    with some other foil-backed paper for myself.

-Doug





Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 13:45:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Bateman A. G." <agb@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: New stuff on my page

> Hi Alex,
>
> Maybe I'm being dense, but when I downloaded and printed your tessellation
> crease patterns, my first question was: How do I start and stop folds in
> the middle of the page?

Hi Robert,
          I got the message below from the archives of origami-l. In
this message Marc Kirschenbaum explains how he folds creases in the
middle of the paper.

Bye for now
Alex

***********************************************************************
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 22:31:34 -0300
From: Marc kirschenbaum
Subject: Tricks/Tips for folding point to point.

Most origamists would be surpized at how accurate their folds are
without
the use of special devices. I gain accuracy by forming a small precrease
at
each point. I take a guess as to the angle needed, fold the paper,
pinching
only at the point. Iwill turn the paper over to ensure that my pinch was
placed accuratly. I will repeat the same process for the other point.
With
both pinches now in place, I will form my fold; any innaccuracy in your
pinches should be corrected naturally.

Marc kirschenbaum

***********************************************************************

--
- Alex Bateman
- MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology
- agb@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk
- Phone: (01223) 402479
- http://www.mrc-cpe.cam.ac.uk/jong/agb/origami.html





Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 13:45:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: "I.Harrison -Ian Harrison" <I.Harrison@open.ac.uk>
Subject: RE: Not folding with squares

My message was transposed in transit, probably due to the fact that I had
used tabs.  So, here is a version with spaces.  Sorry for the earlier
mess!
+Hello!
+ Jeannine wrote about obtaining an angle of close to 72 degrees from an

+8.55x11 rectangle.  One can do quite well with a square, although the
+error is greater!
+
+  A                                 B
+  ....................................
+  .      .                       .   .
+  .              .      D   .       .
+  .                      .           .
+  .                  .          .     .
+  .               .                  .. C
+  .         .                         .
+  .     .                             .
+  .  .                                .
+  .....................................
+
+                                       E
+If C is the mid-point of BE and D is where AC cuts the diagonal, then
+angle BDC is 71.57 degrees.
+  Ian





Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 14:09:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: Bonnie Elbode <belbode@cms.cc.wayne.edu>
Subject: RE: Origami Dreams

At 08:15 PM 5/5/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>
>On Mon, 5 May 1997, Marc Kirschenbaum wrote:
>
>> When I am confronted with a difficult problem (origami or otherwise),
>> I will "sleep on it." Almost invariably, the solution will present
>> itself the following morning. It would seem to me that my mind was
>> doing some sort of problem processing during this interum. Apparently,
>> I am not alone in this ability.
>>
>> Marc
>>
> Although this technique doesn't work for me all the time, I have found the
answer to some origami puzzles that have kept me stumped for some time...I
am always astounded when this happens.  Engel has a whole section in his
book, _Origami from Angelfish to Zen_ (or previously known as _Folding the
Universe_) on how people come up with creative ideas or solutions to tricky
problems.  I think it's pretty cool that the mind can work on something "in
the background" while either sleeping or processing daily stuff!
>
>Peg Barber
>mbarber@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu
Hey,
I have never heard anyone else remark on this before.  I haven't experienced
this yet for origami problems, but as an English major in college years ago
I used to work out just the right way of wording a particular sentence for a
paper  in my dreams.   I was pretty pleased with how effortless it was
compared to agonizing over every word in the wake cycle!
        Now, I find that when I hopelessly lose something I can sometimes
'see' the exact location of the item in a dream.  This is really helpful
too.  As sleepers go, I believe I dream (and remember what I dream)  more
than most people.  Do other dream-problem-solvers find this is so?  My
brother, a
clinical psychologist (former aerospace engineer & now real estate mogul)
has been after me for years to keep a dream journal for him to study, but I
don't really care to let my sibling into my psyche.  He claims to hardly ever
dream...I even have dreams which recur again & again & again.
          I wish that I could 'see' into the dreams of  my tortoiseshell
cat, Marigold Miranda.  She  has a bad habit of thieving jewelry off my
dresser to swat at on the floor, and when she's finished she hides the
jewelry in a 'stash'.  After her  stash is raided she uses a new stash, so
until I  happen upon the new stash, I can forget it.  It's quite obvious
that she does dream,
too, darn it.  On the black side I have dreamt I was watching perfectly
horrible, gruesome things only to hear about the exact thing on the news
later (I know, da-da-da-da-sound), but this doesn't happen a lot. Sorry, to
get so far off the origami track, folks. I'm another new watcher.





Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 14:29:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: Brian Nice <bnice@ccci.org>
Subject: Re: Japanese Origami books -Reply

Brian Nice wrote:
+I have a friend going to Japan in a few weeks.  I would like
+her to get an origami book for me while she is there. I figure
+there must be some books that you can get in Japan that
+you cannot get in the United States. Any suggestions?

>>>Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com> 05/06/97 11:19am
>With the various Japanese and Origami stores (some on
>the web, some
>not) there are few origami books from Japan that you can't
>get.  Paper,
>on the other hand, is much trickier to come by, or rather,
>there is a
>lot of cool paper in Japan that you can't get in the US.

Hmmm.... I never thought of that. I am pretty new to origami.  I
picked up the book "Brilliant Origami" (my first book) only
about 4 weeks ago and just started folding! But I am
hooked.

So needless to say, I know virtually nothing about paper. I
have regular origami paper and typing paper! Is their
something in the archives I can get about different papers?
What is the paper that the box and lid combo is made out of
in the book "Brilliant Origami"? How about the other models
in the book?

Thanks for the suggestions!
Brian
bnice@ccci.org
Orlando, FL





Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 14:54:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: mattslayton@webtv.net (Matt Slayton)
Subject: Re: Origami-L popularity

I will second that.  Being a folder for about 19 years now, and having a
few models published in the Annual Convention Books, I knew that there
had to be an Origami Cyberworld out there just waiting to be explored!
Leafing through the newsletter, I found the Holy Grail! Can't wait to
contribute...

See you all at the convention!     Matt





Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 16:08:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Steve W. Payne" <swpayne@cast.msstate.edu>
Subject: Listserver problems

Hey All,
I've been on vacation for the past week, and the server set my account
to postpone.  If anyone had any responses for me, could you please send
them again?
Thanks,
Steve.

ps.  Thanks for the support with the Children's Museum.  The Grand
Opening is this Saturday.  Wish me luck!
--

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Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 16:37:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: RA Kennedy <kennedra@isdugp.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: dinosaurs

Jessica

A few years ago one of the TV stations in the UK had a dinosaur week (I
wonder what film was topping the box office ratings at the time?). As part
of the week there were four short (15 minute) origami programmes presented
by Megumi Biddle, each one a different dinosaur. I'm afraid I don't have a
tape of the programmes, but I did buy the pack of diagrams for the four
models. They are simple/low intermediate, as I recall 3 are from 2 pieces,
and do require glue for assembly. The diagrams are by Megumi Biddle, and
display her usual artistry, and clarity. I guess that they would be suitable
for begineers. I don't know if they were ever published elsewhere.

Let me know if I can help you with any further information.

Bye

Richard K.
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 16:50:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: RA Kennedy <kennedra@isdugp.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Desperately seeking cats

Some while back there was a thread about cat models, with several people
mentioning the wonderful 3D cat by Herman van Goubergen. No doubt many
wondered about how they could obtain diagrams for this masterpiece. I can
now reveal to origami-l that the diagrams are in the convention pack for
the Bristol '97 convention of the British Origami Society. Together with
diagrams for a host of other models this can be obtained for just 5.00
pounds from BOS Supplies. See the BOS web pages (see any message from Nick
Robinson for the address) for ordering information, including shipping
costs.

Bye,

Richard K.
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 18:36:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: Contractors Exchange <contract@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: Desperately seeking cats

At 04:50 PM 5/6/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Some while back there was a thread about cat models, with several people
>mentioning the wonderful 3D cat by Herman van Goubergen. No doubt many
>wondered about how they could obtain diagrams for this masterpiece. I can
>now reveal to origami-l that the diagrams are in the convention pack for
>the Bristol '97 convention of the British Origami Society. Together with
>diagrams for a host of other models this can be obtained for just 5.00
>pounds from BOS Supplies. See the BOS web pages (see any message from Nick
>Robinson for the address) for ordering information, including shipping
>costs.

The diagrams will also be published in this year's Annual Collection (which
will debut at the rapidly approaching OrigamiUSA Convention '97).

Marc





Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 21:21:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Rare Animals

On Tue, 6 May 1997 A.Welles@student.kun.nl wrote:

=I did some animals I haven't seen before in books such as:
=a (Eurasian) badger (Meles meles, complete with black and white pattern
=on the head),

That's one I haven't seen.

=a wildebeest, a yak,

Both in Kawahata's "Wild Animals of the World".

=a platypus (though not a very good one I must admit),

There are several of these.

=a kiwi (although I have heard Robert Lang also did one),

As has Steven Casey and someone from New Zealand (whose name escapes me at the
moment). And Robert's was a demonstration of origami design at the 1992 (93?)
OrigamiUSA convention. Have you since perfected it, Robert?

=an earwig, etc.

I've got a really ugly prototype somewhere from a few years back.

=I'd like to hear other animals that people would like to see in Origami
=but are rare. (Challenge #2: how about a shrimp, with 10 legs and
=antennae...) That can always be a great inspiration!

I did a shrimp like that a couple of years ago. It was based on a shrimp by
Maekawa. I added the long antennae. Actually, it only has 4 long legs and
about 8 or 10 swimmerettes.

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 23:06:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: Martha Mitchen <afolder@avana.net>
Subject: Re: So Called Processed Cheese "SQUARES"

geoline wrote:
> Speaking of edible origami, wonton wrapper squares ...might work.

The subject of edible origami has come up on the list before.  I do not
remember if I chimed in then or not.  But at FOCA (now OUSA) convention
several years ago, Joanne Ortman of CHAOS (Chicago) brought some
flapping birds or cranes which she had folded from eggroll wrappers and
deep fried.

Reflecting on it now, I'm sure you could probably use burrito or
tortilla wappers after you cut them into squares (to touch on another
thread) and after deep frying them sprinkle them with cinnamon and
sugar.  They'd be a much more elegant desert than those cinnamon things
they sell at TACO Bell.





Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 01:02:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: OUSA Convention

Okay. So I've decided. I'm going. And, like two years ago, I'm going to take
suggestions for what models I should teach when I'm there. I'm probably going
to limit myself to two models, so the ones with the most votes will win. Of
course, I'm always willing to teach outside of class times. 8)

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 02:16:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Laurie Bisman <lbisman@sirranet.co.nz>
Subject: RE: Rare Animals

Joseph Wu wrote..

<snip>
=a kiwi (although I have heard Robert Lang also did one),

As has Steven Casey and someone from New Zealand (whose name escapes me at the
moment).
<snip>

        My name is Laurie Bisman...
        Oh how soon they forget!

Laurie Bisman
lbisman@sirranet.co.nz





Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 02:38:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: RE: Rare Animals

On Wed, 7 May 1997, Laurie Bisman wrote:

=Joseph Wu wrote..
=
=<snip>
==a kiwi (although I have heard Robert Lang also did one),
=
=As has Steven Casey and someone from New Zealand (whose name escapes me at the
=moment).
=<snip>
=
=       My name is Laurie Bisman...
=       Oh how soon they forget!

It's worse than that, Laurie. I was thinking of someone else entirely!

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 03:30:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Allen Parry <parry@eskimo.com>
Subject: Dollar Bill Ant Challenge

I presented a challenge to the creators, to create a dollar
bill ant.  I wanted to let you know I just came up with mine,
tonight.  I'm pretty excited about it.  I've been exploring some
new techniques (to myself) and it presented itself well
suited to this challenge.

> -----------------A CHALLENGE TO CREATORS --------------------
> Speaking of such....I'd like to present a challenge.  This use
> to be done on the list but I haven't seen one in a long time.
> I challenge all of you creators out there to fold an ant out of
> a dollar bill!  Let's bring them to the OUSA convention an
> compare what we come up with.  If you can't make it to the
> convention, mail it in to OUSA and we'll put it on display,
> take pictures of the models, and we'll sent you a set of
> photos of each person's approach.
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 04:08:51 -0300 (ADT)
From: Laurie Bisman <lbisman@sirranet.co.nz>
Subject: RE: Rare Animals

It's worse than that, Laurie. I was thinking of someone else entirely!

Oh Gosh!.    I guess I'll recover. (in time) (Perhaps!?)

Laurie Bisman
lbisman@sirranet.co.nz





Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 09:59:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.org>
Subject: Cute comic strip dealing with origami

If you haven't already seen this one, it's worth a look.
Enjoy!
No complaining about the scissors, please :-)

Here is the URL:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wiley/4_27.htm





Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 13:26:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: OUSA Convention &  Snowflakes

I'm going to PCOC, not the OUSA Convention, so my vote probably
shouldn't count, but I'd vote for Snowflake(s):
The one with available diagrams and any of the other 30+
Joseph can remember how to do. (I can't remember how I did all
of the sones I've made...)

Or a class teaching the diagrammed Snowflake
and then a free exploration of making different ones.

On the subject of snowflakes: both of the online origami paper
sources (FF & KC) are carrying a new "flower" paper (beautiful
illustrations of lilies on the packages), which just happens to
be the ULTIMATE SNOWFLAKE PAPER. It is translucent, about the
transparency of good drafting vellum and comes in pale pink,
*BLUE*,
purple, red. It has a faint printed design in about 5 different
patterns, a "rice / ice" pattern, a "corona" (pale center shading
to darker in corners), leaves (on the green), and at least 2 flower
patterns (photos of roses or iris). The subtle patterns contribute
to the effect of the multiple layers very nicely.

I've made snowflakes of drafting vellum, but was somewhat sceptical
of how well this would fold, but it took a couple of reversal of creases
without splitting, and folded quite well. Like all "vellums" it is
not for novices and requires some practice, as it is absolutely
unforgiving of crease mistakes, and very nasty to squash, petal fold
or sink, which are maneuvers required in snowflakes. But the results
are striking: I made some pink and lavender (purple) ones, and have
some of the blue on order. I also managed to make some interesting
boxes of it. Flower makers should definitely check it out too.
It is 6 inch square paper, by the way.

If someone wants to make huge snowflakes, there is a drafting paper
for big ink-jet plotters, know generically as "trans-bond". It is
very white good quality paper, but translucent enough to make "blueprints"
while not as transparent or easy to "fracture" as drafting vellum.
A 50 yard 24 inch wide roll is about $15US. Undoubtedly comes in cut
sheets too. It has occurred to me also that it would be fun to plot
the crease pattern for some of Chris Palmer's tessellations on it in
pale colors on one of these big plotters. (The paper also comes in the
wider standard plotter rolls, 36 in, 42 in. Our plotter takes up to
36 in, and will plot something 50 feet long in one pass.) Or one could
make custom snowflake paper with a design in pale blue and the hexagon
shape outlines already to cut out.

Amazing the uses one can think of for a new $4000 color plotter. :-)

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com
valerivann@aol.com
http://people.delphi.com/vvann/index.html
http://users.aol.com/valerivann/
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/valerie_vann





Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 13:34:02 -0300 (ADT)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: RE: Rare Animals

>As has Steven Casey and someone from New Zealand (whose name escapes me at the
>moment).
><snip>
>
>       My name is Laurie Bisman...
>       Oh how soon they forget!

Not ALL of them, Laurie......

And those boys (!) may not know that you founded a New Zealand Origami
Society, with a home-made newsletter which was named "Kiwi Talk" ! We were
moving our first origami steps in Italy, too, and we exchanged newsletters
at the time..... it was (let me see) 1982 !

Oh, well.... getting older (sigh) <:-(

Roberto





Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 15:53:43 -0300 (ADT)
From: trioux@whoi.edu (trioux)
Subject: OUSA Convention

          On  Wed, 7 May 1997  Joseph Wu wrote:

          >I'm going to take suggestions for what models I should
          >teach when I'm there.

          I will be attending the convention for the first time this
          year.  I would like to learn your winged pig model, if that
          is possible.  Of course, there is a story behind my request:

          My wife Maggie and I are certified Emergency Medical
          Technicians, although we are not employed as such.  For the
          past several years we have volunteered in the Emergency Room
          of our local hospital (mostly as 'gofers' ... you know, 'go
          for this, go for that'...).  During this time the hospital
          has been undergoing an extensive remodeling and addition
          project, which included the installation of a pneumatic tube
          system for quick sending of specimens and documents
          throughout the complex.  The hinged plastic containers for
          this system are called 'pigs'  (ah, the English language!).
          ER nurses being ER nurses, the several 'pigs' assigned to
          the ER somehow became named after famous porkers (Porky,
          etc.).

          During the occasional slow moments, I would make some
          origami models for the staff and patients.  I found it
          helped some of the patients take their mind off their
          troubles.  I also made some origami pigs (I can't remember
          the creator, but the book is in Spanish) and some Michael
          LaFosse butterflies and taped them up near the pneumatic
          tube machine.  This was about 6 months ago, and they are
          still there.  Anyway -- to make a short story long -- I
          thought it would be fun to make some of Joseph's clever
          winged pigs to present to the staff.  I know they would get
          a kick out of them!  I haven't been able to find diagrams in
          the ori-index or in recent annual collections, so I wonder
          if they have indeed been diagrammed anywhere.

          Terry Rioux





Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 16:01:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Who's going to OUSA '97 Convention?

OK, it's about that time of year, so I'll start it:
(even though I can't go, I'd still like to know;
I'm sending for a "Sorry I Can't Attend Kit, as
usual)

Which members of the Origami-L are going to the
OUSA '97 Convention?

Who is waiting for PCOC instead?

And what's the origami-L recognition signal this year?
Will origami-L-ists be wearing Flying Pigs? Snowflakes?
Name tags with email addresses? Origami leis?

Inquiring minds want to know :-)

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com
valerivann@aol.com
http://people.delphi.com/vvann/index.html
http://users.aol.com/valerivann/
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/valerie_vann





Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 16:36:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@erols.com>
Subject: Re: OUSA Convention

trioux wrote:

>           thought it would be fun to make some of Joseph's clever
>           winged pigs to present to the staff.  I know they would get
>           a kick out of them!  I haven't been able to find diagrams in
>           the ori-index or in recent annual collections, so I wonder
>           if they have indeed been diagrammed anywhere.

Diagram for Joseph Wu's "When Pigs Grow Wings and Fly" can be found in
http://www.eskimo.com/~marmonk/gallery2.htm

Have Fun!

To Joseph Wu and Mark Kennedy:

Joesph Wu and 21 flying pig solute! 8-)

Cheers!

|------------------------------------------------------\
|  _     Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) <chens@asme.org>     |\
| |_| Folding http://www.erols.com/sychen1/pprfld.html --\





Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 18:13:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pat Slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: "skunk lines"

A question on the mechanics of design:

Is there some basic, concious approach to avoid creating models with "skunk
lines" at the top? There are some models I love but always have to pull out
the monocolor for. Even with the most precise folding the lines are
unavoidable. Guess it is part of folding with kami, but I, for one, do not
like the way they look.

Anyway, I started to wonder what the line was....why do some models get the
paper edges on top and some on bottom? There seems to me to be some
tendencies between designers, so I am guessing this is based on the basic
approach?

A related question:

Does anyone sell precut, monocolor foil? I use the thin Ryomen monocolor,
but it is really too flimsy sometimes. I'd be interested in hearing about
other monocolor papers too.

Hoping to avoid mass production of tissue foil. (If some company decided to
make this stuff I'm sure they would have a market!)

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 19:12:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kim Best <kim.best@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: Rare Animals

A.Welles@student.kun.nl wrote:

> To put in another challenge: could anyone do a bird sitting in a tree from
> one piece of square (although as I have been noticing people might wanna
> go for the reactangle), uncut! Please let me know if you managed to do one!
> I have lack of time to do some seriously thinking on this subject....

There was a model of a man holding a bird in a recent issue of the OUSA
newsletter.  It shouldn't be to hard to convert the man into at tree.

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 20:33:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kim Best <kim.best@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: Folding from Non-Square paper

Doug Philips wrote:

>  (Sarcasm alert, for those who aren't sure:)
>     Oh, I couldn't possibly keep any of my existing origami books with
>     square based models once I switched to the new Philips-gon method, why
>     the artistic dissonance was just toooooooo much to bear!  And I had to
>     immediately convert all my square paper into triangles and hexagons and
>     ...
>

Why the sarcasm?  Sounds like a perfectly good argument to me.  Well...
the last part at least.  After all origami is paper folding not paper
cutting.  So given the chose between a model that simply requires you to
pick a prepacked square and start folding, and one that require you to
precut the starting shape.  I would think most people would pick the
square.  And even if your paper is rectangular, creating a square is a
simple, two step process.  Bisect one corner and cut off the excess.

Let me put it this way.  The only really fun part of origami, for me, is
the folding.  Precutting the paper is just tedious, yuck work I have to
go throught to get to the fun stuff.  So I will tend to fold those
models that provide more fun, and require less yuck. Only if the model
is exceptional, Brill's lion for example, will I want to go through the
extra work.

Now if you can tell me where to buy prepackaged triangles and hexagons,
I might change my mind.

> However, the analogy you allude to in your middle paragraph does work,
> and that is the droning and unthinking devotion to the status quo
> simply because it is the status quo.
>     (More scarcasm:) all I can buy is squares so that is all I want to
>     fold from...
>

Not droning, just simple human nature.

> The real confusion is making the analogy between paper and/or diagrams
> and computers.  It is the folder that is the computer not the diagrams
> or paper... they are the programs and input!  And folders are so much more
> versatile...

Sure they are.  But if I can find a wealth of great models, I can fold
with the stuff I already have, why make new stuff?

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    * Besides paper cuts may      *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Sting but razor cuts cause  *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * the lose of more blood!!    *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 21:25:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kim Best <kim.best@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: "skunk lines"

Pat Slider wrote:
>

> Anyway, I started to wonder what the line was....why do some models get the
> paper edges on top and some on bottom? There seems to me to be some
> tendencies between designers, so I am guessing this is based on the basic
> approach?
>

I think a lot has to do with were the animal in question has it fancy
stuff.  Since it is easier and less bulky, to use edges or corners in
the creation of points, models with a lot of fancy stuff on the top may
be more likely to have a strip across the top.

You can always cheat and color in the unwanted white paper with magic
markers. ;-)

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 21:29:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: Ronnie White <ronew@mindspring.com>
Subject: Michael LaFosse Books Reveled

I e-mailed Michael LaFosse to find out the story behind these books. Here is
part of his response:

"Don't get too excited. These are not origami books, they are paper craft
books. The three titles : Paper Flowers, Paper Boxes, and Paper Animals are
part of a paper craft series that Rockwell Publishers has contracted me to
write for them. I have designed all the projects in each of the books and
all the artwork too. The books are quite nice, full of color photos and line
art on every page, nice paper and layout... I am quite proud of them. Each
of the projects are cut-fold-paste work. Cut-out patterns at the back of the
book allow you to apply the designs to a variety of materials."

I also spoke with him on the phone tonight during which he said that in the
Paper Boxes book there is a purely origami box, and in the Paper Animals
book is the folding method for his Happy Good Luck Bat.
Ron White
ronew@mindspring.com

"Never underestimate the incredible destructive power of origami"

                                                  Earthworm Jim





Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 21:36:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Ronnie White <ronew@mindspring.com>
Subject: Michael LaFosse in Paris

Michael LaFosse will be leaving tomorrow for Paris. He will be attending the
Origami Convention of the Mouvement Francais des Plieurs de Papier. He will
also be the featured artist. Hopefully there is someone on this discussion
group who can give us a recap of the events this weekend.
Ron White
ronew@mindspring.com

"Never underestimate the incredible destructive power of origami"

                                                  Earthworm Jim





Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 23:15:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: "skunk lines"

At 06:13 PM 5/7/97 -0300, From: Pat Slider <slider@stonecutter.com> wrote:

>A question on the mechanics of design:
>
>Is there some basic, concious approach to avoid creating models with "skunk
>lines" at the top? There are some models I love but always have to pull out
>the monocolor for. Even with the most precise folding the lines are
>unavoidable. Guess it is part of folding with kami, but I, for one, do not
>like the way they look.
>
>Anyway, I started to wonder what the line was....why do some models get the
>paper edges on top and some on bottom? There seems to me to be some
>tendencies between designers, so I am guessing this is based on the basic
>approach?

I think it goes without saying, given the choice, designers would choose to
avoid the skunk look. I think it has only been recently (last 20 years?)
that designers have had more ability and more concern in dealing with this
problem. Skunked models shsre certain structural characteristics, and are
ofetn difficult to convert to an unskenked version. To illustrate, here is
a simple skeunked model construction:

Start with a square, and fold opposite sides to the center. Next, form
reverse folds (45 degrees), at each corner. This will yeild three
appendages at each end, which can be formed into legs, feet, and a tail.
Running along the center is (you guessed it), the unsightly stripe. The
designer would now have the option of folding the constuction in half using
either a mointain fold or a valley fold (to convert the model from its
present roadkill position, to a more natural standing position).  Using a
valley fold will place the stripe along the interior of the model, BUT the
legs will be in the interior as well. This can be good in some cases, but
it does produce the effect of shortening the legs, and it will loose ther
definition (this effect is good for animals that have a long coat of hair
that is concealing the legs).

For most subjects, it makes much more aesthetic sence to use a mountain
fold, let that sripe show, and come clean with having outer appendages that
really are on the outside of the model.

So what sort of comprimise can the designer make? A valley fold can be
used, placing the legs inside, and then the legs can be wraped around the
the forefront (now this note is getting to be a bit more infolved than
expected). The techniques involde for this consume paper, altering the
proportions of the model. For this example, a simple outside reverse fold
at each end would place the appendages on the outside. Often, it is much
more involved than that.

>
>A related question:
>
>Does anyone sell precut, monocolor foil? I use the thin Ryomen monocolor,
>but it is really too flimsy sometimes. I'd be interested in hearing about
>other monocolor papers too.

You can also cheat, and placxe a sliver if paper through the layers that
comprise the skunk lines. Also, by doing anti-fudge-factor folding
(purposely overlaping the center raw edges), the striped effect can be
avoided.

Marc





Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 23:28:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: OUSA Convention

At 01:02 AM 5/7/97 -0300, Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp> wrote:

>Okay. So I've decided. I'm going. And, like two years ago, I'm going to take
>suggestions for what models I should teach when I'm there. I'm probably going
>to limit myself to two models, so the ones with the most votes will win. Of
>course, I'm always willing to teach outside of class times. 8)

Great! It has been a while since I have seen you, and I am looking foward
towards seeing another wonderful moedel display. As for models to teach,
how about a non-model? Inspired by Zack Brown, I thought it would be a
great idea to have a panel discussion on designing techniques and
parameters. I was very inspired by Robert Langs class, and I thought it
could only be better to hear more ideas on creating, with perhaps more of
an emphasis on less often discussed thinds (colour changes, desingning
simple models, box pleating, making use of shadows and folded edges, and
who knows what else). If anyone is interested in being a part of the papnel
(for a possible Monday techniques day class), let me know (my e-mail is
marckrsh@pipeline.com). Thanks.
Marc
