




Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 07:45:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: mplewinska@earthlink.net (Magdalena Cano Plewinska)
Subject: Re: Curious about cranes and other things

On Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:02:58 -0300 (ADT), "Lisa
Hodsdon"<Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com>  wrote:

>I'm in the process of folding my second thousand as a wedding gift.
>[snip] I'm displaying them in two tall clear glass jars. [snip]
>*I'm starting with 1.5 in. paper.

What size (or volume) are your jars?

Thanks,

   - Magda Plewinska
     Miami, FL, USA
     Email: mplewinska@earthlink.net





Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 07:44:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: tait@earthlink.net
Subject: Michael Lafosse on QVC

Did anyone see Michael Lafosse last week on QVC? I was wondering if he
did a demo to go with his tape? Also wondering how the newly revised
"Square One" is different from the first version.

Thanx for any info,
Tricia Tait





Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 07:46:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: mplewinska@earthlink.net (Magdalena Cano Plewinska)
Subject: Re: Discovering origami-l

On Tue, 29 Apr 1997 13:24:36 -0300 (ADT), chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
wrote:

>How did people who subscribe to origami-l discover it?

I found out about it on Usenet.

   - Magda Plewinska
     Miami, FL, USA
     Email: mplewinska@earthlink.net





Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 07:46:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Acronyms

Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch> sez

>For the ACs (Acronymically Challenged) in here, could you
>please write out those W.A.Ws etc.? I have no clue what
>you are talking about :-(.

ROTFL! KUTGW!

ATB

Nick Robinson

personal email  nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk





Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 07:42:31 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mike and Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: [NO] Add another name to the list of postponed people and [O] Sug

Goveia, William P wrote:
>
> Well,
> Add me to that ever growing list of those who have been postponed.
> Would it be out of place to suggest another home for Origami-L?  I can
> look into creating the list here at IU, or I am sure that there are
> other systems administrators besides me (lurking, perhaps?) who might be
> able to help...Just an offer, no offense intended.
>
> At any rate, I need to get my hands on copies (both Mac and Windows) of
> the secret life of paper, and have 2 problems: 1) don't have a credit
> card (not really interested in getting one, to tell the truth) and 2)
> the bookstores around here (yes, Barnes & Noble and Borders included)
> don't carry it, and refuse to order "software," even if it is prepaid,
> and even if they have carried the requested software in the past (and
> even if it isn't so much software, but rather electronic literature ;-).

You could call Casady and Greene (see below) directly and see if they
have a way for you to mail in an order and pay by check:

Casady & Greene
"Origami: the Secret Life of Paper," CD-ROM. Created by CloudRunner,
Inc. Video instructions for 12 simple models, a drawing tool that lets
you color parts of the finished model and print out squares with the
colors & patterns in the right places; a walk-through origami gallery
with over 100 photos of models
by 35 of the top folders in the world (Yoshizawa, Kawahata, Brill,
Montroll, Casey,...well, you get the picture); tutorials on origami and
mathematics; histories of paper and origami; origami activities around
the world; a bibliography of origami books and references; all tied
together with a hypertext origami glossary.
Suggested retail price for is $59.95, direct price is $39.95 plus
shipping and handling.
Fax number is (408) 484-9218.
Voice number is (408) 484-9228 or
Toll Free at (800) 359-4920

Janet Hamilton

--
mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/





Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 07:45:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: havener3@delphi.com (geoline)
Subject: Re: Curious about cranes and other things

Joseph jotted:
>The cranes sent to Hiroshima tend to be white (since it is a death memorial,
>after all), or else strung vertically in the colours of the rainbow, usually
>white on top, followed by red, orange, yellow, green, blue, and then white
>again. For some reason, purple is not as popular.

In Hawaii, the friendship cherry blossom festivals love to use red and white.
Rainbow is also popular too because Hawaii is a land of many rainbows and
many ethnicities and mixed-plate picnics (I'm one of those mixed-plate,
Heinz 57, Chop Sueys myself).  Strings of tiny crane are even incorporated
into Ikebana arrangements using native Hawaii flora in the friendship
cherry blossom festivals.

>The nine dragons go back before Buddhism, but, in fine Asian tradition, has
>been syncretically (sp?) incorporated into the newer religion. And the number
>3 sounds like "alive" in Chinese, so it's an especially auspicious number.

Asian forms of Buddhism was passed around between Asian nations so many
times, that a little bit of Shinto beliefs mix-in with Taoist symbolisms
and even older folkloric anthropomorphisms.  I even have a cousin who is
half Japanese and half Chinese who once ran as a contestant in both Cherry
Blossom and Miss Chinatown pageants back in Hawaii.  At a friend's funeral
two autumns ago in Nashville Tennessee, the Zen representative wore white
while ALL of the Nashville mourners wore black.

Also, in fine American, European international traditions, it's not
uncommon to incorporate one set of beliefs with another such as celebrating
Christmas near the Winter Solstice or creating origami using European
mythic beings.  We all tend to gravitate toward the conventions and customs
we are familiar with.

So the person who originally asked the question about cranes can
incorporate some international biodiversity when explaining to her students
how the bittersweet story of Saddako has grown from a memorial of white, to
incorporate the darker colors non-Asians associate with death and also the
many colors of the rainbow because peace is an international goal.  In
Memphis Tennessee, there is a special children's oncology hospital, St.
Jude's, which treats children from all over the world because the
well-being of children is also an international goal.

Geoline Havener-Li
email: havener3@delphi.com
http://www.geocities.com/~jaspacecorp/momsai.html





Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 07:45:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: mplewinska@earthlink.net (Magdalena Cano Plewinska)
Subject: Re: Usenet

On Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:33:08 -0300 (ADT), Zachary Brown
<zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu>  wrote:

>There is currently a bit of a discussion on alt.arts.origami about what
>to do about all the spam in the newsgroup, the low traffic, etc.
>
>I'm curious about what people on this list think of that situation. It
>seems to me that a newsgroup with good traffic would be a good thing. I
>made a couple suggestions on the newsgroup, and maybe I should repeat two
>of them here.
>
>1) Would a moderated newsgroup appeal to people?

Definitely. I look at a.a.o. once in a while but I can't take it for
long periods because of all the spam. But that IS where I found out
about this mailing list and now I feel sorry for all those poor souls
who post actual origami questions in that group and have to wade
through the trash.

>2) How would people feel about the list being gated to alt.arts.origami,
>so that whatever people sent to the list would be automatically posted to
>origami as well?

I think a lot of people answered this question already - probably not
a good idea because of spam problems. There is really no conflict
between Usenet and mailing lists. I subscribe to a bunch of gardening
mail lists and also read rec.gardens and other Usenet garden-related
groups. The discussions pretty much overlap each other (this may have
something to do with the natural cycle of the seasons - gardeners have
to pay attention to this <G>) but each group and mailing list has its
own character and they are not redundant or interchangeable. Things on
Usenet tend to get more heated once in a while, but I, for one, enjoy
the variety. There's always the kill filter...

>Usenet is wonderful because it is easy to find.

Exactly. And with the way things stand with a.a.o., only the very
persistent stick around to find out about the mailing list.

   - Magda Plewinska
     Miami, FL, USA
     Email: mplewinska@earthlink.net





Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 08:31:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.org>
Subject: (Fwd) Origami

------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
From:          Norma Coblenz <norm@tam.dorsai.org>
Subject:       Origami
Date:          Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:20:43 -0400 (edt)

Believe it or not, I don't know how to send this to the origami-l, so
perhaps you can forward it:

Origami sightings:
   In the movie "Romy and Michelle's High School Reunion," Michelle is
playing with the "cootie catcher" as the gals drive to the reunion.

 On Spin City tonight (4/29) the mayor's staff has to keep the mayor
awake all night. Staff members are going to take 4 hour shifts helping
the mayor stay awake. The mayor's assistant is explaining the plan to the
mayor and tells him "......... And Paul is going to teach you origami!"

Thanks





Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:32:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Joseph Wu`s book (was:Re: Books by Kawahata & Montroll: comments)

Carlos Alberto Furuti wrote:
> Perhaps I should wait (hint? beg? demand?) for Joseph's book?

And Joseph Wu replied:
> Join the club. How many official "naggers" are there now for me to write a
> book? >;)

I don`t know the numbers, but they just went up by one: Me.

When does your book come out, Joseph? Oh, you haven`t even
started writing it? Get going then! <g>.

Just make sure to get that literary agent David Lister wrote
about to negotiate a good deal for you with those publishing
sharks <g>. I`ll gladly pay a good price for your book if you
get a decent share of the money.

Matthias





Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:33:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jean Villemaire <boyer@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: Acronymically challenged

Valerie Vann wrote:
> ... every time I write out the title of "OFTC" instead of using the
> abbreviation, I come up with a different way of spelling the "C" word:
>
> Conouser?
> Connaisser??
> Connoissure???
> Connashure???
> Con???????????????????????????????????
> (...)
> I bet our friends in France and Quebec die laughing
> every single time...

Just to add to everyone's pain on this particular item, the "C" in OFTC is
for Connoisseur, actually an Old-French for Conn_a_isseur.  From "connoitre",
with "st", "connoistre".  At that time "connoistre" or "connaistre" were used
as well, depending on which vowell was available that morning.  Now, as
everyone knows, we all prefer the circumflex accent for it recalls a mountain
fold.  And this should take us back to origami.  "Connoisseur" is never used
in everyday conversations but the "connaisseur" form can be found in your
local liquor store, in the wine department.  Up here, in Quebec, we rather
use it in a more diminutive way, "Ti-Jos Connaisseur" (pronounce Tee-Jo), as
in Jack-Know-It-All.  So here we are left with Origami For The
Jack-Know-It-All, OFTJKIA for short...  In French, Origami pour les
Ti-Jos Copnnaisseur, OPLTJC.  {;-D  As for friends from France, maybe they
would stick with the "Connoisseur" thing, suspecting it's an English word...
 :-(

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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:47:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Cut Yer Own was...RE: Books by Kawahata & Montroll: comments

Geoline Havener-Li wrote:

+Seriously, go invest in a good paper cutter to cut your own size paper.

Hear Hear!  I have a 14" rotary cutter which is now too small for most of
what I want to cut, so I'm trying to figure out what bigger size to move
to next! ;-)

I'd also like to suggest a reasonable alternative: Templates.

I think it was Gretchen Klotz whose writings about them here on
origami-l a while ago (18 months, something like that) got me
intrigued.  I attempted to find a local supplier who could cut lexan (a
transparent and very hard plastic-like stuff) into exact squares, but
no one was interested and priced it out of my reach. ;-)  I got my
templates from Fascinating Folds (No connection, just happy customer).
I must admit that for small quantities, the convenience of a template
is amazing.  Folks have written about using cardboard/shirtboard and other
materials too, so you don't have to use lexan!

There are two downsides to templates:
    a) They have fixed sizes
    b) They are hard to use to cut out a LOT of squares

The upside to templates is that if I want one (or five) squares from one
of my sheets of art paper, I "whap" down the template, zip zip zip zip,
and I have a square!  No fuss, no muss, no trying to make sure that I
have used the exact same spot on the cutter to measure the sides with.

-D'gou





Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 12:50:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: havener3@delphi.com (geoline)
Subject: Re: Curious about cranes and other things

(Hi all...sorry if this gets duplicated.  My ISP's mail system sometimes
has problems and might not have mailed this when I first sent it last
night...)

Joseph Wu jotted:
>The cranes sent to Hiroshima tend to be white (since it is a death memorial,
>after all), or else strung vertically in the colours of the rainbow, usually
>white on top, followed by red, orange, yellow, green, blue, and then white
>again. For some reason, purple is not as popular.

In Hawaii, the friendship cherry blossom festivals love to use red and white.
Rainbow is also popular too because Hawaii is a land of many rainbows and
many ethnicities and mixed-plate picnics (I'm one of those mixed-plate,
Heinz 57, Chop Sueys myself).  Strings of tiny crane are even incorporated
into Ikebana arrangements using native Hawaii flora in the friendship
cherry blossom festivals.

>The nine dragons go back before Buddhism, but, in fine Asian tradition, has
>been syncretically (sp?) incorporated into the newer religion. And the number
>3 sounds like "alive" in Chinese, so it's an especially auspicious number.

Asian forms of Buddhism was passed around between Asian nations so many
times, that a little bit of Shinto beliefs mix-in with Taoist symbolisms
and even older folkloric anthropomorphisms.  I even have a cousin who is
half Japanese and half Chinese who once ran as a contestant in both Cherry
Blossom and Miss Chinatown pageants back in Hawaii.  At a friend's funeral
two autumns ago in Nashville Tennessee, the Zen representative wore white
while ALL of the Nashville mourners wore black.

Also, in fine American, European international traditions, it's not
uncommon to incorporate one set of beliefs with another such as celebrating
Christmas near the Winter Solstice or creating origami using European
mythic beings.  We all tend to gravitate toward the conventions and customs
we are familiar with.

So the person who originally asked the question about cranes can
incorporate some international biodiversity when explaining to her students
how the bittersweet story of Sadako has grown from a memorial of white, to
incorporate the darker colors non-Asians associate with death and also the
many colors of the rainbow because peace is an international goal.  She may
have used dark life colors when she started.  In Memphis Tennessee, there
is a special children's oncology/rare disease hospital, St. Jude's, which
provides children like Sadako from all over the world with hope as do the
1000 cranes because the well-being of children is also an international
goal.

Geoline Havener-Li
email: havener3@delphi.com
http://www.geocities.com/~jaspacecorp/momsai.html





Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 13:48:12 -0300 (ADT)
From: Penny Groom <penny@sector.demon.co.uk>
Subject: BOS Convention at York

I have spoken to the conference organiser at the University College of
Ripon and York where we will hold our 30th Anniversary Convention
September 19th to 21st.

If people want to stay on Wednesday night, the 18th  that will be fine,
but the students are coming back that weekend so they will not be able
to accommodate anyone who wants to stay over on Sunday night.

If you want an application form for the convention e-mail me, ( let me
know your snail mail address) if you want to stay outside of Wednesday
to Saturday nights let me know and I will send you an accommodation
guide, there is no shortage of places to stay in York. BOS members will
be receiving their forms with their June magazine.

Hope to see lots of you there

Penny
------------------------------------------
Penny Groom                Membership Secretary
                           British Origami Society
penny@sector.demon.co.uk
Stairwell's homepage.
http://www.sector.demon.co.uk/index.htm
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:01:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: RA Kennedy <kennedra@isdugp.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Book Prices (was: Pfiffiges Origami)

> Valerie Vann wrote (about Paulo Mulantinhos book "Pfiffiges Origami"):
> > I wonder, though if the fact that Mulantinho was disconnected from the
> > English edition is one reason why the book is relatively inexpensive,
>
> The german edition (second edition, 1995) costs 19.- sFr. in
> Switzerland;
> that would be about 13 to 14 US $. Is the english edition really cheaper
> than that?

When I bought a copy of this book in London a few years ago it was just
4.99 UK pounds (about 8.00 US dollars). Excellent value, great models,
great diagrams, worth more than every penny!

I have not seen it for sale recently.

Bye

Richard K.
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:34:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: Brett Askinazi <brett@hagerhinge.com>
Subject: RE: Books by Kawahata & Montroll: comments

Silently . . . I think it is all of us ;)

On Tuesday, April 29, 1997 8:44 PM, Joseph Wu [SMTP:origami@planet.datt.co.jp]
     wrote:
> Join the club. How many official "naggers" are there now for me to write a
> book? >;)
>
>  Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami





Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:47:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Nielsen <nielsen@tc1.sims.nrc.ca>
Subject: Re:_templates_and_cut_yer_own

I simply use an exacto-knive and the square pieces
of cardboard that come with packaged origami paper.

        Steve Nielsen
        Toronto, Canada





Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:57:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Goveia, William P" <wgoveia@indiana.edu>
Subject: RE: Usenet

Has anyone on a.a.o requested an RFP to move it to rec.arts.origami?  As
a reasonably expereienced usenet reader, I can tell you that the alt.*
groups get more spam becuase they contain the alt.sex.* and
alt.binaries.* groups.  Rec.* groups appear to be less trafficked by
these slimeballs, and thus seem to have a better signal to noise ratio.
In addition, when I looked for an origami news group (I am fairly
disapointed with a.a.o due to the spam content), I looked uner rec.arts
to begin with.

At the very least it might give a rest for a while from the noise.

My $.02 anyway...

Bill Goveia





Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:04:41 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Goveia, William P" <wgoveia@indiana.edu>
Subject: RE: Books by Kawahata & Montroll: comments

        On Tuesday, April 29, 1997 8:44 PM, Joseph Wu
[SMTP:origami@planet.datt.co.jp] wrote:
        > Join the club. How many official "naggers" are there now for
me to write a
        > book? >;)
        >
        >  Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp -
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami

I already have a spot on my book shelf reserved for it.  Not that any of
my origami books are ever on the bookshelf... ;-)

##########################################
William Goveia, LAN Operations and Applications Specialist
Education Technology Services
School oF Education, Indiana University at Bloomington
http://education.indiana.edu/~wgoveia





Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:34:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mike and Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Paper Balloons

My church is starting to plan our summer Vacation Bible School.  The
last day of classes has the kids writing out prayers on paper, attaching
them to helium ballons, and letting the balloons go.  We are concerned
about the environmental impact of releasing the balloon, and are trying
to find a better way to do this.  Does anyone know of a way to make a
paper balloon that would fly well enough to go out of sight?  Using fire
is not an option.

Any ideas would be appreciated.

Janet Hamilton

--
mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/





Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:33:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Convention requests

Gail Armstrong wrote:
+   I have one suggestion... a class on making your own paper. That culd be
+interesting I think. Sorry that is all I could think of that would be
+different.

An interesting idea.

As Marc Kirschenbaum has noted, Monday has grabbed hold of the more
"fringe" paper crafty but not necessarily origami stuff, which I also
find to be a nice change of pace.

I may have written this before, but I'll repeat it anyways...
I would much rather have the Monday activities BEFORE the convention!
Why:

    a) I'm not so completely tired and wiped out that I fall asleep
        Monday afternoon.

    b) Since many of them are paper crafty, one often ends up with
        interesting papers from which one would like to FOLD something
        from a convention class!

    c) Many of the paper crafty Monday classes involve paper
        making/decorating that leave you with something that needs many
        hours, if not overnight to dry.  Paper making, unless someone
        brings a drying machine, usually involves from a day to several
        days of drying, depending on the weather.

Why Not:
    a) We can't get the FIT space (or get it cheaply enough) in advance
        of the convention.

    b) (If I was given other reasons, I have forgotten them, so please
        remind me!)

Since Convention Monday is becoming an extension of the convention, why
not make SATURDAY the "paper crafty" day, and make the convention
proper Sunday and Monday?

-Doug





Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:49:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: Travis Rodkey <tlr8830@acs.tamu.edu>
Subject: signoff

signoff travis rodkey
-Travis Rodkey
Texas A&M University





Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 19:28:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pam and/or Namir <pgraben@umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Convention requests

Zack wrote:
>On a related note, do people have ideas for convention classes and events
>that would not be centered around one person teaching a group how to fold
>a particular model? I hear that classes on the differences between foil
>and wetfolding, on how to do a single crease, and on math have all been
>done before. Should they be repeated? Should they take up more of the
>focus of the convention (i.e. not just repeated, but fleshed out and
>turned into a larger part of the convention)? What other classes would be
>good?

I for one, would be kinda dissappointed if there were no "technique" classes
offered.  Being a self-taught folder (from books and everything, but never
from people) I have learned/developed what I consider bad habits.  Something
I was always kind of confused about was that the books I was learning from
never told you "how" to make a single crease: the difference between
creases, foldsd, soft folds, and their purposes.  Yeah, over time I picked
it up, but it might've been better to pick up right from the get-go.
Also, I always wondered about methods to perform traditional sequences.  For
like the longest time, I couldn't fold a bird-base that had the two upper
points line up: they always were a little skewed, try as carefully as I
might!  I was using the petal-fold method.  Then I tried pre-creasing the
whole thing and then collapsing it into a bird base and viola: perfect bird
base 100% of the time!  Have other people found similar methods?  Or better,
more accurate techniques all-around?  I'd like to see a class that would
address some of these issues!

Disclaimer: I've never been to a Convention, so I might just be blithering.

-Namir

!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-
Pamela Graben:     Thinking... what a concept!
Namir Gharaibeh:  "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."
pgraben@umich.edu





Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 19:29:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pam and/or Namir <pgraben@umich.edu>
Subject: Livening up meetings

So my officemate came back from a meeting and was joking about he had to
give a presentation and I didn't.  He threatened to get me on the agenda so
I could go through the small private hell that he did, and said that I
should do a presentation on Origami (as he noticed from my modular folding
at lunches).  I jokingly replied "Sure, and then everybody can fold a piece
of a modular.  Then, we'll assemble it and bounce it around the room like a
beach ball at a rock concert."
I hope he doesn't take me seriously!  How about that for an ice-breaker at
meetings!

-Namir
!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-
Pamela Graben:     Thinking... what a concept!
Namir Gharaibeh:  "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."
pgraben@umich.edu





Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 20:52:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: Ronnie White <ronew@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Michael Lafosse on QVC

At 07:44 AM 4/30/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Did anyone see Michael Lafosse last week on QVC? I was wondering if he
>did a demo to go with his tape? Also wondering how the newly revised
>"Square One" is different from the first version.
>
>Thanx for any info,
>Tricia Tait
>

  Yes I did see him, in fact I posted a e-mail about his appearance the day
before.
I also video taped it because I thought I would be at work at the time, but
I was at home sick anyway. I'm not sure exactly what was changed from the
original "Square One", I talked with him a few weeks ago and he just said
QVC wanted some things taken out and some things put in, but he didn't
elaborate. I know the QVC version also comes with a pack of origami paper an
a guide book.
  If anyone is interested Michael will be  coming out with a video
demonstrating how to fold the "Frog" thats on his homepage. That video
should be out in May, and will also demonstrate how to make paper. That will
be follow this year with a video on his "Pond Turtles" and one on his
"Toucan and Great White Shark. The last two will be much later in the year.
If you're a fan of Michael LaFosse's work, this promises to be a great year.
Ron White
ronew@mindspring.com

"Never underestimate the incredible destructive power of origami"

                                                  Earthworm Jim





Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:29:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: Ronnie White <ronew@mindspring.com>
Subject: Wild Animals in Origami

Does anyone own the new book at Sasuga, "Wild Animals in Origami" by
Kawahata? I've heard that several of the models are made from two sheets of
paper, and I've heard that none of the models use two sheets. This is
important to me in determining whether I'll buy the book or not. Thanks
Ron White
ronew@mindspring.com

"Never underestimate the incredible destructive power of origami"

                                                  Earthworm Jim





Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:11:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: Cathy Palmer-Lister <cathypl@generation.net>
Subject: Re: Acronymically challenged

...................
>Confounded word; why didn't my school make us take
>French instead of Spanish?
>
>I bet our friends in France and Quebec die laughing
>every single time...
>
>--valerie
>
.................................

Not necessarily, I can't spell in any language!

                        Cathy, from Quebec





Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:12:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Cathy Palmer-Lister <cathypl@generation.net>
Subject: Re: Discovering origami-l

At 07:46 AM 4/30/97 -0300, you wrote:
>On Tue, 29 Apr 1997 13:24:36 -0300 (ADT), chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
>wrote:
>
>>How did people who subscribe to origami-l discover it?
>

Joseph's web page.

                                Cathy





Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:12:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: Cathy Palmer-Lister <cathypl@generation.net>
Subject: Re:_templates_and_cut_yer_own

At 03:47 PM 4/30/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>I simply use an exacto-knive and the square pieces
>of cardboard that come with packaged origami paper.
>
>        Steve Nielsen
>        Toronto, Canada
>
I do that too.  I recently bought one of those green cutting mats that are
marked off in cm squares, and it was worth every penny.  It's a nice folding
surface too, and I can be sure right angles are really neat.

                                        Cathy





Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:16:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: Wild Animals in Origami

At 09:29 PM 4/30/97 -0300, Ronnie White <ronew@mindspring.com> wrote:

>Does anyone own the new book at Sasuga, "Wild Animals in Origami" by
>Kawahata? I've heard that several of the models are made from two sheets of
>paper, and I've heard that none of the models use two sheets. This is
>important to me in determining whether I'll buy the book or not.

I have WAO, and I think it is great.  All of the models in this book are
from a single square (although I think for some of Kawahata's other books,
two pieces are used at times). If there is a complaint for this book, it
would have to be the choice of a cover model; kinda ugly for my taste. Most
of the other models are downright cute, and the folding techniques used are
more fun and accessable than his more complex stuff. Everything is clearly
lanmarked, and is more Montollesque in style than something like "Origami
Fantasy" (meaning the landmarks are less artsy than usual and box pleating
is not used). As you can tell from my description, I highly reccomend this
book.

Marc





Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:34:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: Cut Yer Own was...RE: Books by Kawahata & Montroll:

At 11:47 AM 4/30/97 -0300, Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com> wrote:

>+Seriously, go invest in a good paper cutter to cut your own size paper.
>
>Hear Hear!  I have a 14" rotary cutter which is now too small for most of
>what I want to cut, so I'm trying to figure out what bigger size to move
>to next!

My rotary currer is perhaps too small as well.  Almost invariably, I fold
my paper in half prior to cutting, yeiling twice the cutting length. This
still produces a straight edge, and I think it is better than having to
deal with a cutter of twice the length (too cumbersome).

Marc





Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 00:12:02 -0300 (ADT)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Cut Yer Own was...RE: Books by Kawahata & Montroll:

Doug Philips wrote:
+>Hear Hear!  I have a 14" rotary cutter which is now too small for most of
+>what I want to cut, so I'm trying to figure out what bigger size to move
+>to next!

Marc Kirschenbaum replied:
+My rotary currer is perhaps too small as well.  Almost invariably, I fold
+my paper in half prior to cutting, yeiling twice the cutting length. This
+still produces a straight edge, and I think it is better than having to
+deal with a cutter of twice the length (too cumbersome).

An interesting idea.  I have been drooling over a 56" rotarty cutter
for over a year now, and aside from cost, I haven't bought it cause I
didn't know where I was going to put/store it.  But also having a 24"
template has lessened "some" of the need for a bigger cutter.

-Doug





Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 01:17:00 -0300 (ADT)
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 03:34:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: candice bradley/daniel byrne <candice@samara.co.zw>
Subject: paper in Zimbabwe

Howdy Origami folks.

I've not written before though I joined this list when I got to Zimbabwe
in January, then for a while I was somehow off the list (email here can
be erratic), and now I'm back until I depart for the US end of June.

I got interested in origami after my three kids got some small packages
of papers from British Air.  I used them, not the kids!  Then I scoured
Harare and found several books.  Also, used the internet and ordered
papers and books that way -- but shipping was e x p e n s i v e.

It wasn't long before I discovered local papers, specifically some
wonderful recycled and hand screened wrapping papers from a Harare
company called Deadly Dezigns.  These papers are crisp and thick, a bit
like washi paper but not quite as resilient, and they are c o v e r e d
with original designs by African artists -- all in a magnificent array
of colors, like giant gold dung beetles on matte black papeer or grass
green crocodiles on purple paper (the other side is nearly always
recycled paper brown).  Everything I make with these papers turns out
great.

I cut the paper with a sharp kitchen knife.  Gave up looking for
anything else origami in Harare (although otherwise it is pretty well
equipped).

Which leads to my last point.  Nobody here -- not indigenous black nor
white Zimbabweans -- knows what origami is!  The director at the Deadly
Dezigns factory did remember when I said "Japanese paper folding."  But
she was alone.  There are no origami papers anywhere in Zimbabwe,
although I've managed to buy some books.  It's interesting.

Candice Bradley (from Appleton, WI)
currently living in Harare, Zimbabwe





Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 03:55:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: paper in Zimbabwe

On Thu, 1 May 1997, candice bradley/daniel byrne wrote:

=It wasn't long before I discovered local papers, specifically some
=wonderful recycled and hand screened wrapping papers from a Harare
=company called Deadly Dezigns.  These papers are crisp and thick, a bit
=like washi paper but not quite as resilient, and they are c o v e r e d
=with original designs by African artists -- all in a magnificent array
=of colors, like giant gold dung beetles on matte black papeer or grass
=green crocodiles on purple paper (the other side is nearly always
=recycled paper brown).  Everything I make with these papers turns out
=great.

Sounds like there's some great paper there!

=Which leads to my last point.  Nobody here -- not indigenous black nor
=white Zimbabweans -- knows what origami is!  The director at the Deadly
=Dezigns factory did remember when I said "Japanese paper folding."  But
=she was alone.  There are no origami papers anywhere in Zimbabwe,
=although I've managed to buy some books.  It's interesting.

Well, there's at least one family in Harare that knows what origami is. They
ought to, because I introduced it to them. They lived in Vancouver for a while
since the father of the family was studying at a seminary there, and they were
attending our church. They weren't very much interested in doing any, but they
appreciated the pieces that I gave to them.

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 05:01:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: candice bradley/daniel byrne <candice@samara.co.zw>
Subject: Re: paper in Zimbabwe

I wrote:
>Which leads to my last point.  Nobody here -- not indigenous black nor
>white Zimbabweans -- knows what origami is!  The director at the Deadly
>Dezigns factory did remember when I said "Japanese paper folding."  But
>she was alone.  There are no origami papers anywhere in Zimbabwe,
>although I've managed to buy some books.  It's interesting.

>Joseph Wu replied:
"Well, there's at least one family in Harare that knows what origami is.
They ought to, because I introduced it to them. They lived in Vancouver
for a while since the father of the family was studying at a seminary
there, and they were attending our church. They weren't very much
interested in doing any, but they appreciated the pieces that I gave to
them."

Well, I guess I exaggerated!  I don't know *every* family in Harare!
But I can tell you this:  everyone to whom I've given origami pieces is
thrilled with them.

Candice Bradley





Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 06:44:07 -0300 (ADT)
From: ss3@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk
Subject: RE: Paper Balloons

Janet Hamilton wrote worrying about the enviromental impact of her
ballons.
        If you are using the normal rubber ones (as apposed to
the new fangled foil varity) I dont think you'll have a problem
as rubber naturally biodegrades anyway.
               SIMON SCARLE





Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 07:30:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: richardd@redac.co.uk (Richard Davies)
Subject: Re: Michael Lafosse on QVC

> >Did anyone see Michael Lafosse last week on QVC? I was wondering if he
> >did a demo to go with his tape? Also wondering how the newly revised
> >"Square One" is different from the first version.
>
>   Yes I did see him, in fact I posted a e-mail about his appearance the day
> before.
> I also video taped it because I thought I would be at work at the time, but
> I was at home sick anyway. I'm not sure exactly what was changed from the
> ...
> Ron White
> ronew@mindspring.com

I take it this was only on QVC US rather than Europe as I got a friend to tape
the posted hour and got nothing but an hour of saucepans and a 'you want to tape
QVC!! (LOL)' from my friends!

Rich

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Software Engineer             Fax:         01684  299754
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 07:20:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: richardd@redac.co.uk (Richard Davies)
Subject: Re: Discovering origami-l

>How did people who subscribe to origami-l discover it?

Someones web site, I'd tell you whos but I have no idea as I visited pretty much
all of those I could find that day.

Rich

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Software Engineer             Fax:         01684  299754
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 10:00:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: Dennis Brannon <brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com>
Subject: RE: So Called Processed Cheese "SQUARES"

> Much to my dismay Cheese "SQUARES" aren't really square.

But think of the advantages of folding with cheese:
1) Smushing - tear repairs and "adjustments" are easy by just
    smushing the parts together.
2) Built in glue for those two sheet animal models or modular origami
3) Hardens after being left out for a few days (like wet folding)
4) After it hardens, most cats will leave it alone;
    not sure about dogs or mice.
5) Can be laminated on tissue, paper, or foil.
6) Might get moldly, but that could be used to vary the color
    or give it a Chia pet appearance.

Then there's the yuck factor to consider.  It needs a better name
that "its folded out of cheese squares".  What's Japanese for
"fold cheese food"?  oricheese sounds to cheesy to use. 8^)

dennis
brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com
Littleton, Massachusetts, USA





Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 10:10:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Goveia, William P" <wgoveia@indiana.edu>
Subject: RE: paper in Zimbabwe

        -----Original Message-----
        From:  candice bradley/daniel byrne [SMTP:candice@samara.co.zw]
        Sent:  Thursday, May 01, 1997 1:35 AM
        To:    Multiple recipients of list
        Subject:       paper in Zimbabwe

                                     (((((((SNIP)))))))
        I got interested in origami after my three kids got some small
packages
        of papers from British Air.  I used them, not the kids!  Then I
scoured
        Harare and found several books.  Also, used the internet and
ordered
        papers and books that way -- but shipping was e x p e n s i v e.

Jeez, guess I'll have to quit griping about finding stuff here in
Bloomington!!!  <g>

##########################################
William Goveia, LAN Operations and Applications Specialist
Education Technology Services
School oF Education, Indiana University at Bloomington
http://education.indiana.edu/~wgoveia





Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 10:26:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: John Abbott <john@nombas.com>
Subject: Re: Discovering origami-l

>How did people who subscribe to origami-l discover it?

I posted a message to a.a.o and was redirected to the list.





Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 10:10:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Goveia, William P" <wgoveia@indiana.edu>
Subject: RE: So Called Processed Cheese "SQUARES"

        Then there's the yuck factor to consider.  It needs a better
name
        that "its folded out of cheese squares".  What's Japanese for
        "fold cheese food"?  oricheese sounds to cheesy to use. 8^)

        dennis
        brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com
        Littleton, Massachusetts, USA

Oridairy?  Origummy?

##########################################
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Education Technology Services
School oF Education, Indiana University at Bloomington
http://education.indiana.edu/~wgoveia





Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 10:06:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: Dennis Brannon <brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com>
Subject: RE: Book Prices (was: Pfiffiges Origami)

Valerie Vann wrote:
>I believe the German edition is listed in US $16-17;
>the English from Fasc. Folds was 10.75 or $10.95US (I forget
>which), plus if you can almost always get a discount from FF
>of 10%.  Also, like most origami books, I expect this one will
>show up on remaider tables soon for maybe $6...

The English edition (Origami: 30 Fold-by-Fold Projects)
was on the discounted tables here months ago.
I bought mine for 25% off of the $10.98 price at a bookstore in the
Rockingham Mall (Salem, New Hampshire, USA)
That was the first time I'd ever run across that book.

So its not quite at the $6 price level here yet...

Thanks for the posts comparing it with the German edition.
I didn't know they were the same book and had been considering
getting it.

If there's anybody in the West of Boston area looking for the
English edition, its available at Lauriats bookstore in the
Solomon Pond Mall (Marlboro) and the New England Mobile
Book Fair (West Newton).

Thanks,
dennis

Dennis Brannon
brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com
Littleton, Massachusetts, USA





Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 10:13:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: richardd@redac.co.uk (Richard Davies)
Subject: Re: Curious about cranes and other things

> >I'm in the process of folding my second thousand as a wedding gift.
> >[snip] I'm displaying them in two tall clear glass jars. [snip]
> >*I'm starting with 1.5 in. paper.

Wonderful idea :)

What colours are you using?

Rich

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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 11:25:01 -0300 (ADT)
From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com>
Subject: Re: Curious about cranes and other things

Rich (richardd @ redac.co.uk) replied to my posting:

> >I'm in the process of folding my second thousand as a wedding gift.
> >[snip] I'm displaying them in two tall clear glass jars. [snip]
> >*I'm starting with 1.5 in. paper.

>What colours are you using?

All of them. I had an unopened package of 100 sheets of assorted 6 in. kami
paper.
I get 16 cranes out of a single sheet. So, eliminating the black, brown,
grey and
two foil sheets, I can still get the whole thousand out of the single
package of
paper. This way I have about 15 consistent colors. The package is proving
to
be a little too heavy on the oranges and yellows for my taste, so I may end
up
adding more white, blue and purple from another source. Depends on how much
time I have. Doesn't help that I offered to fold table decorations... And
took a
"break" to fold 50 for a friend who's getting married this weekend...

Lisa (430 cranes til August) Hodsdon
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 11:48:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: RE: So Called Processed Cheese "SQUARES"

>        Then there's the yuck factor to consider.  It needs a better
>name
>        that "its folded out of cheese squares".  What's Japanese for
>        "fold cheese food"?  oricheese sounds to cheesy to use. 8^)
>>
>Oridairy?  Origummy?
>

        I, myself, prefer the term "velveetagami."  ;-D

                _,_
           ____/_\,)                    ..  _
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           /\  '                        ^__/>/\____\--------
__________/__\_ ____________________________.//__.//_________

Jerry D. Harris                       (214) 768-2750
Dept. of Geological Sciences          FAX:  768-2701
Southern Methodist University
Box 750395                            jdharris@post.smu.edu
Dallas  TX  75275-0395                (Compuserve:  102354,2222)

"Science _does_ have all the answers...we just don't have
all the science."

                                -- James Morrow





Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 11:55:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com>
Subject: Re: Discovering origami-l

Carol Hall (chall @ scsn.net) asked:
>This brings to mind a question that I've had for some time:
>How did people who subscribe to origami-l discover it?

This is one of my favorite origami stories. I was a student at Smith. One
day
in the computer center I went to pick up my printout and the print job
before mine was origami diagrams. I hung around until the diagrams got
picked up and introduced myself to the person who had printed them.
Bob Roos told me about origami-l & I subscribed before I went back to
working on my paper.

Thanks Bob! Hope you're still printing out diagrams!

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 12:05:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: J Armstrong <jcanada@clark.net>
Subject: dinosaurs

Hi! I'm looking for some help.  I've agreed to teach a beginers class
who want to do dinosaurs.  Having never been thrilled by the topic, I
have not a single dinosaur fold in my repertory.  I have asked the
french origami list and received some very helpful replies but as the
class is to be 2 hours (HELP!) I thought I should get as many ideas as
possible.  Book suggestions, diagrams, anything would be helpful.
Thanks alot
Jessica





Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 13:06:01 -0300 (ADT)
From: Zachary Brown <zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu>
Subject: French origami list   [was: Re: dinosaurs]

What is the french origami list?

Zack





Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 14:44:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: Dennis Brannon <brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com>
Subject: RE: Michael Lafosse on QVC

>Did anyone see Michael Lafosse last week on QVC? I was wondering if he
>did a demo to go with his tape?

I taped it and then watched it when I got home.  After fast-forwarding through
alot of "crafts" I finally got to the origami part - it lasted about 10 minutes
     and
had a table covered with his models - most were wall hangings or in picture
     frames.
Michael demoed how you could decorate a wrapped gift package with a star like
ornament made from the same wrapping paper instead of using a store bought bow.
Then he taught the host how to fold a pinwheel to add to wall hanging of
     alternating
dark blue and orange flattened pinwheels.  Throughout the segment they both
kept repeating the theme that origami was so easy "anybody could do it" - with
the help of Michael's videotape, of course.

Michael said you don't have to use origami paper - wrapping paper is fine, and
     so is
cloth glued to paper.  He then pointed to a large simple duck model folded from
a cotton print cloth glued to paper.  He also had a framed Lafosse butterfly
     collection
on display but didn't say anything about it.

Does this appearance on QVC mean that origami is finally being accepted
as a mainstream craft?  Based on the few calls they took during the show,
it sounds like the right market for his video tapes.

dennis

Dennis Brannon
brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com
Littleton, Massachusetts, USA





Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 16:28:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: Slade Hikaru Shota <shota@hawaii.edu>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: subscription, postpone and archives

listserv@nstn.ca
unsubscribe ORIGAMI-L





Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 16:27:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: Slade Hikaru Shota <shota@hawaii.edu>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: subscription, postpone and archives

listserver@nstn.ca
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Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 18:03:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: tabitha@bws.bws.com (tabitha c. whiteside)
Subject: Re: dinosaurs

What about cutting the paper?  I know of a pretty good ornitholestes model
but you have to cut the paper to make the arms.  Also, can they do outside
reverse folds?  If you can answer these questions, then I will give you
worded instructions.
-Tabitha     %-D





Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 18:25:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: The Aronson's <aronson5@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: dinosaurs

Dear Jessica,

Rachel Katz invented a wonderful simple dinosaur that can even be done with
construction paper.  The instructions were in an old Newsletter from
OrigamiUSA from several years ago. Perhaps someone out there knows how to
locate this brontosaurus - he was cute!
Good luck!
Ellen Aronson





Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 18:44:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Re: dinosaurs

>Dear Jessica,
>
>Rachel Katz invented a wonderful simple dinosaur that can even be done with
>construction paper.  The instructions were in an old Newsletter from
>OrigamiUSA from several years ago. Perhaps someone out there knows how to
>locate this brontosaurus - he was cute!
>Good luck!

        The Denver Museum, upon learning I did origami while employed
there, asked me to do a few public demos/teaching sessions of origami,
focusing on dinosaurs, and Katz's little sauropod (Katz just called it
"Dinosaur") was the model I always used.  It's made from any 8.5x11 sheet
of paper.  You have to transform the sheet into a square and a long
rectangle (thus, you'll have an 8.5x8.5 square and a 2.5x8.5 rectangle),
and the model uses both pieces.  It's simple enough a model that I
successfully induced several groups of around 20-30 people (including lots
of young children) who'd never done origami before to be able to fold it in
around 20 minutes.  They always had fun...the only problem was that I would
bring in, as display models, much more complex origami dinosaurs, and the
kids would always want to make one of those!

                _,_
           ____/_\,)                    ..  _
--____-===(  _\/                         \\/ \-----_---__
           /\  '                        ^__/>/\____\--------
__________/__\_ ____________________________.//__.//_________

Jerry D. Harris                       (214) 768-2750
Dept. of Geological Sciences          FAX:  768-2701
Southern Methodist University
Box 750395                            jdharris@post.smu.edu
Dallas  TX  75275-0395                (Compuserve:  102354,2222)

"Science _does_ have all the answers...we just don't have
all the science."

                                -- James Morrow





Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 19:33:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: Cathy Palmer-Lister <cathypl@generation.net>
Subject: RE: Paper Balloons

At 06:44 AM 5/1/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Janet Hamilton wrote worrying about the enviromental impact of her
>ballons.
>       If you are using the normal rubber ones (as apposed to
>the new fangled foil varity) I dont think you'll have a problem
>as rubber naturally biodegrades anyway.
>             SIMON SCARLE
>

The problem isn't biodegradability.  When balloons land in the sea they look
like jellyfish, a favourite food for sea turtles and whales.  Swallowing
balloons is usually fatal to these already endangered animals.

                                                Cathy





Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 19:36:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: Cathy Palmer-Lister <cathypl@generation.net>
Subject: Re: dinosaurs

At 12:05 PM 5/1/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Hi! I'm looking for some help.  I've agreed to teach a beginers class
>who want to do dinosaurs.  Having never been thrilled by the topic, I
>have not a single dinosaur fold in my repertory.  I have asked the
>french origami list and received some very helpful replies but as the
>class is to be 2 hours (HELP!) I thought I should get as many ideas as
>possible.  Book suggestions, diagrams, anything would be helpful.
>Thanks alot
>Jessica
>

John Montroll's "Prehistoric Origami" is great.  Only a very few suitable
for beginners, though.

                                Cathy





Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 19:43:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Cathy Palmer-Lister <cathypl@generation.net>
Subject: RE: Michael Lafosse & cloth-paper

>
>Michael said you don't have to use origami paper - wrapping paper is fine,
and so is
>cloth glued to paper.  He then pointed to a large simple duck model folded
from
>a cotton print cloth glued to paper.

I have often wondered about gluing cloth to paper or foil.  I guess I will
have to give it a try one day, it obviously isn't impossible, though I can't
see how the creases would hold very well.

                                                        Cathy





Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 19:55:07 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kimberly Crane <kcrane@kimscrane.com>
Subject: Monthly Special Page

It's that time again!!!
--Kim's Crane Monthly Special Page is up for May.
--We have added 17 new commercially pre-packaged origami papers to our
ever growing list of papers.
--We would like to invite you to review our history page on washi and
chiyogami papers.
--We hope to meet many of you all at the convention in New York City.

Sincerely,

Gordon and Kimberly Crane
http://www.kimscrane.com





Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 19:55:31 -0300 (ADT)
From: g_r@mda.ca (Garry Robertson, Fenco MacLaren, MCDV Project)
Subject: Re: Discovering origami-l

I found an entry for Origami in the Internet Yellow Pages.  It caused
a minor neuron collision, awakening an old memory of Origami.  That small
spark has now grown to a full fire that is threatening to engulf myself
and my daughter (10 years old).

Garry Robertson
Surrey, B.C., Canada





Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 20:24:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: "MARGARET M. BARBER" <mbarber@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu>
Subject: Re: Discovering origami-l

I found out about origami-l from the first OUSA Origami convention that I
went to.  Two or three people told me about the list and how to
subscribe.  I'll never forget what a wonderful experience that convention
was!  I had always folded by myself -- what a joy to find all these other
people who were as nutty about folding paper as I am!

Peg Barber
mbarber@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu





Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 20:24:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pat Slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: RE: Michael Lafosse on QVC

> He also had a framed Lafosse butterfly collection
>on display but didn't say anything about it.
>

I noticed he was selling framed dollar-bill butterflies at his origamido.com
site (wuth diagrams too).

I find his marketing experiments entertaining. I wonder if they are sucessful?

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 20:48:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mike and Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Michael Lafosse & cloth-paper

Cathy Palmer-Lister wrote:
> I have often wondered about gluing cloth to paper or foil.  I guess I will
> have to give it a try one day, it obviously isn't impossible, though I can't
> see how the creases would hold very well.

I attended a class where fusible webbing was used to bond cloth to
paper.  The webbing was placed between the cloth and the paper and the
sandwich was ironed.  The webbing melts and bonds the paper to the
cloth.  The cloth can't be too thick or it doesn't fold well.  Also,
complex models with lots of layers don't work well.  We folded one of
Gay Merrill Gross' purses, a crane, and a pin from a 3-diamond
decoration (I think the design was by Mike Thomas).

Janet Hamilton

--
mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/





Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 22:18:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: Ronnie White <ronew@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Michael Lafosse on QVC

At 08:24 PM 5/1/97 -0300, you wrote:

>I find his marketing experiments entertaining. I wonder if they are sucessful?
>
>pat slider
>slider@stonecutter.com
>
Actually it was QVC that approached Michael to market the video. It seems
they discovered him through his website. Apparently it must be working, this
is the second time he has appeared on QVC this year.
Ron White
ronew@mindspring.com

"Never underestimate the incredible destructive power of origami"

                                                  Earthworm Jim
