




Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:19:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Crystal DeRosier <crystal@discover.net>
Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Origami

Rodney Fetveit wrote:
>
> > >
> > >     I am looking for detailed diagrams (*.PDF) of dollar bill folds.
>
> Not to sound stupid or anything...BUT
> How do you use *.pdf files??
>
> Rodney
I have the same problem!!!!help me too!!!!
crystal ;)





Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:50:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: [NO] digression Re: my wife's complaint

>>ORIGAMI: GREAT FUN IF YOU CAN STAND THE NOISE.
>>
>Like most sounds our brain filters them out after a while , how many people
>notice the sound of their fridge humming .....

Can't resist this one...
There is a wonderful article by Ruth Schwartz Cowan subtitled "How the
refrigerator got its hum"  Below is a quote from a different Cowan book
regarding the same subject:
"We have compression [noise-making], rather than absorption [silent],
refrigerators in the United States today not because one was technically
better than the other, and not even because consumers preferred one machine
(in the abstract) over the other, but because General Electric, General
Motors, Kelvinator, and Westinghouse were very large, very powerful, very
aggressive, and very resourceful companies, while Servel and SORCO were not.
Consumer 'preference' can only be expressed for whatever is, in fact,
available for purchase..."  from _More Work for Mother: The Ironies of
Household Technology from the Open Hearth to the Microwave_ p.144.

Can't say for sure what the story was in the Commonwealth....

Carol Hall
chall@scsn.net





Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 00:23:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net>
Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Origami

> > Not to sound stupid or anything...BUT
> > How do you use *.pdf files??
> >
> > Rodney
> I have the same problem!!!!help me too!!!!
> crystal ;)

.pdf file are created by adobe acrobat, the good news is that there is
an adobe acrobat reader available for free off the internet.  any search
program yahoo...ect. will find you any number of sites to pick it up
from.  one caveat, try to get version 3.0 if your using an IBM clone,
also make sure you get the one for the operating system you are using.
hope this helps.--
>From pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net

***************************************
* Your Life is only what you make it. *
* so make it good. :?)'               *





Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 07:40:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: my wife's complaint

>>ORIGAMI: GREAT FUN IF YOU CAN STAND THE NOISE.
>>-- Rick Bissell (rick@tridelta.com)
>>   (guess I'll have to learn wet-folding)
>
>Better, let paper aside for a while and devote yourself to tissue napkin
>folding. Or buy your wife some ear-sealing wax..... ;-D

>Roberto

I can offer further suggestions:

1) Divorce your wife, and marry a deaf girl.
2) Switch to rubber sheet folding. It does not "keep" creases well, but is
so silent...
3) Sing "Oh Susanna" aloud while folding rhytmically.
4) Fold under water. Your bathtub would do, if you can't afford a swimming pool.
5) Fold under your favourite pillow.
6) Turn stereo on, set to full volume and put on a hard rock record.
Crinkling paper won't be heard.
7) Wear an oxygen mask and fold inside an evacuated glass dome. Sound won't
propagate, but your bowels are likely to slip out. Shrink well.
8) Fold your wife instead of paper. Won't be as much effective, but at least
she'll have some better reason to complain....
9) Convince her how worse would it be if you had bank robbing as your main
hobby.
10) Change your hobby. Marble sculpting is recommended. After a few days,
she'll beg you to resume paperfolding.

If none of the above works, I'm afraid you're hopeless. Good luck :-)

Roberto





Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 07:41:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: Charles Knuffke <knuffke@sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Origami

>.pdf file are created by adobe acrobat, the good news is that there is
>an adobe acrobat reader available for free off the internet.  any search
>program yahoo...ect. will find you any number of sites to pick it up
>from.  one caveat, try to get version 3.0 if your using an IBM clone,
>also make sure you get the one for the operating system you are using.
>hope this helps.

If you want to go right to the source for the latest version of the free
Acrobat Reader software, try:

http://www.adobe.com/prodindex/acrobat/readstep.html

>From here you can download a reader for most any computer platforms.

Regards,

*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Charles Knuffke       "Amen the Thunderbolt in the Dark Void"
San Francisco, CA                              -Jack Kerouac
mailto://knuffke@sirius.com

Check out the Pacific Coast Origami Conference Website at:
http://www.sirius.com/~knuffke/PCOC.html





Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:41:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: Contractors Exchange <contract@pipeline.com>
Subject: Paper airplane project

I recived the following message just now. Perhaps one of you good
samaritans can help this guy out. His address is at the bottom. Marc
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 20:13:14 -0400
From: "A. Combiths" <mcombith@usit.net>
Subject: paper aiplane project

Dear sir,
 My son (jr. high school) is doing a project on paper airplane shape and
the shapes affect on flight. He needs tips along these lines. If you
don't have time please disregard. Can you refer us to elsewhere?
                          Thankyou
                          Allen Combiths
                          <mcombith@usit.net





Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 12:44:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: A.Welles@student.kun.nl
Subject: Samurai Helmet Beetle

I was wondering if anybody can help me...

I am doing a lot of animal designing and I a now working on a series of
insects. I would like to do a samurai helmet beetle as well, especially
since it is a Japanese beetle.

But the problem is: I can't find a picture of that beetle at all. I have
nearly checked out every (picture)book I could find about Japan, since
this beetle is a very popular pet in Japan.

Can anybody send me a picture from a samurai helmet beetle? And the Latin
name?

Please send me a personal e-mail if you can help me...
Thanks already.

Arjan Welles
The Netherlands
(A.Welles@student.kun.nl)





Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 14:45:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: DLister891@aol.com
Subject: Re: Getting Dropped from List

Thank you to everyone who has written explaining how Origami-L works. Despite
the service being gratuitous, Origami-L is apparently owned by someone
(Valerie Vann implies by a lady), so shouldn't we write to her expressing
concern about the way her software is operating? Or is it a program that she
is stuck with and which cannot be changed until its programmer brings out the
next mark?

The gratuitous provision of Internet space for Lists like Origami-L seems to
be an idyllic situation, a hangover from the blissful days when the net was
young and innocent. With the politicians seeking to censor us and restrict
encoding, and with the software companies, the media barons and the
advertising companies eyeing us mouth-wateringly, I wonder how long we will
survive in our innocence? Are we lambs for the slaughter?

David Lister.

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.com





Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 15:01:33 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: Getting Dropped from List

>
>
>
> Thank you to everyone who has written explaining how Origami-L works. Despite
> the service being gratuitous, Origami-L is apparently owned by someone
> (Valerie Vann implies by a lady), so shouldn't we write to her expressing
> concern about the way her software is operating? Or is it a program that she
> is stuck with and which cannot be changed until its programmer brings out the
> next mark?
>
I'm not trying to downplay that things at the listserver's end can probably
be changed, but I do hope that individuals realize that the server will only
drop them when there is something wrong at their local provider's end-- the
provider they are paying for their internet service.

I was dropped only once and that was when my provider did notify us that
work was being down on their lines. And yes, this listserver is probably
quick on the trigger finger as I was not dropped from another list that same
period of time.

--
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 15:23:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: John Abbott <john@nombas.com>
Subject: Tesselations/polyhedra

This is my first post to the list in a long time - I have been noting with
interest the discussion of origami tesselations, and am wondering if there
are any books out on the subject. I'm also interested in polyhedra and
modular origami (other than boxes) - they all seem like different facets of
the same coin.





Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 15:59:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: the subtlteis of modular folding

>P.S. Will someone please tell me how to appreciate the subtlteis of modular
>folding and precreasing?

Difficult until you've been immersed in either/both for a long while,
but...

Modulars are usually simple to fold, but the are subtle angle/size
changes that radically affect the result. Look at Fuse boxes where the
lid is engineered/designed to fit *perfectly* on the base. Further
delights can be found in looking at colour combinations - if you think
you've got the hang of assembly, try to create regular patterns of
colour (David Mitchell is one expert on this) - you then get two levels
of subtlty; the natural geometry of the polyheda, plus the interweaving
of colour "geometry" - unexpected shapes reveal themselves within the
overall structure.

Precreasing seems to appeal to some, not to others, there are fewer
"half-way" believers. It tends to draw on the inherent geometry of the
paper in a much more natural way than some designs where the paper is
"forced" into shape. The subtlty lies in the tension of the paper and
the recombination of familiar creases into unexpected forms. I suggest
you buy the BOS Shen booklet (see the BOS site below) & see what you
think.

all the best,

Nick Robinson

personal email  nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk





Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:52:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Mail List Esoterica (Was: Getting Dropped...)

I see my remarks about "owner of the list" may have generated more
fog than sunlight.

In order to establish/begin a mail list on the Internet one had to
(still must??; I haven't looked into this lately) have a particular
person who submitted the list idea to the Internet Powers-that-Be,
and there was some procedure (I forget what exactly, and I may be
confusing some of this with newsgroups) for establishing
the necessity/desirablity of having such a list, and a sort of approval
process.

At any rate, that person becomes known as the "owner of the
list", and presumably has control over what type of list (closed,
moderated, etc.), and whether to terminate the list etc. The present
owner is a member (though she hasn't contributed in several months);
she is not as I recall the original owner/creator. (One of the commands
to the listserver will produce this information.). If I'm not mistaken
the owner is the Eastern US somewhere, the listserver program (hosting
computer) is in Canada, and the archive is in the Netherlands. While some
lists have all of these functions in one place, this "international"
situation is not unique to the origami-L.  The owner, however, I believe
has the authority to decide where the a list is hosted and whether to
move it elsewhere.

So essentially, while the owner has something to do with where the list
is "hosted" or "served" from, the particular listserver software and
the vagaries of that software (and/or the hosting hardware) are the
domain of the hosting institution, which as has been noted, is most often
performing a free public service. This is commonly done by educational
institutions as it doesn't take a lot of their network people's time, though
it does take some disk space and add to their server load. Lists frequently
are justified by being somewhat research related or otherwise of interest
institution, etc. Since a certain amount of art, handicraft, historical,
philosophical, aesthetic, folklore, national custom, etc. type of discussion
goes on here on the Origami-L, justifying its being hosted by an educational
institution wouldn't be to much of a stretch; it is just that the owner would
have to decide to do it, and another host would have to found. Plus a whole
lot of address changing would transpire amoung members, linking web sites, etc.!

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:14:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Tesselations/polyhedra

John (and anyone else interested):

if you have WWWeb access,
for modular and polyhedron origami,
check out my Web pages (URLs below),
and their links, plus Joseph Wu's Web
Page (linked on mine) has listings for
Doug Philips, Tom Hull, Jeannine Moseley
etc etc etc.

For tessellations, I believe Joseph has a
listing for Chris Palmer (?), plus Joseph
has diagrams for his snowflake (related to
a hexagon tessellation procedure.)

Also see the section of my web pages about
the Jackson Encyclopedia.

All of those will turn up more about polyhedra
(origami and otherwise) than you will know what
to do with, especially if you follow all the
links.

By the way: I'm currently adding new stuff to the
Delphi section of my web pages (polyhedrons and
geodesics), and currently working on 3 triacon
type (folded diamond) geodesic spheres (solid
surface); preliminary photos should be up by this
weekend.

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com
http://users.aol.com/valerivann/    [Main page]
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/valerie_vann  [Photo Gallery]
http://people.delphi.com/vvann/index.html  [Polyhedrons, Geodesics]





Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 20:28:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: Charles Knuffke <Knuffke@Sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Mail List Esoterica (Was: Getting Dropped...)

Just a couple of corrections to what Valerie Vann wrote:

> In order to establish/begin a mail list on the Internet one had to
> (still must??; I haven't looked into this lately) have a particular
> person who submitted the list idea to the Internet Powers-that-Be,
> and there was some procedure (I forget what exactly, and I may be
> confusing some of this with newsgroups) for establishing
> the necessity/desirablity of having such a list, and a sort of approval
> process.

Valerie, I'm afraid that you're correct in that you've confused the
Origami-L Mailing list with a newsgroup. We're all tied into a single
mailing server, but there was no appeal to the internet powers to be to
create that. Anyone can decide to start a mailing list for any reason;
all thats required is that a computer with a maintained internet
connection running a listserv software package such as Majordomo. All
any of us would have to do to start a new mailing list is contract with
the computers owner (FYI my internet provider just added this ability to
their system and for a price any member of Sirius could begin using it).

> If I'm not mistaken
> the owner is the Eastern US somewhere, the listserver program (hosting
> computer) is in Canada, and the archive is in the Netherlands. While some
> lists have all of these functions in one place, this "international"
> situation is not unique to the origami-L.

Just wanted to clear up something regarding the archive - this is an
example of an incredible "give back" to the internet community rather
than an automatic byproduct of our listserv software. As far as I know,
no one is paying Maarten van Gelder to maintain the Origami Archive,
he's doing it because he considers the e-mails that fly back and forth
to be valuable information and has managed to convince someone that
they're worth keeping (although I know not all of my previous posting
fit this requirement <g>). The archive is something that we tend to take
for granted, but everytime someone looks through those old mesages,
they've got Maarten to thank for the info there. It's definately not
automatic - in fact I've been amused by some of Maarten's previous
postings where Maarten himself has been dropped for the list and has
appealed to the lists members for messages that he has missed.

An amazing wealth of information that we all get to partake of, all the
more so when you consider its cost. I'll take this as an opportunity to
say thank you to Maarten specifically.

Regards,

*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Charles Knuffke       "Amen the Thunderbolt in the Dark Void"
San Francisco, CA                              -Jack Kerouac
mailto://knuffke@sirius.com

Check out the Pacific Coast Origami Conference Website at:
http://www.sirius.com/~knuffke/PCOC.html





Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:25:51 -0300 (ADT)
From: jvanloon@freenet.mb.ca (John Van Loon)
Subject: Re: Unit origami

 or>Fuse, Wonderful World of Modulars, ISBN 4-405-07553-0
 or>Fuse, World Unit Origami (designs by others), ISBN 4-416-38826-8
 or>I have not seen any of these books so I should welcome comments!
 or>Fascinating Folds have some books in Japanese by Fuse, but their
 or>ISBN references are not given.  As far as I can tell none of them
 or>seem to match up with the titles above.  Again I should welcome

FUI
Somebody raised the question re availability of  Tokome Fuse's
UNIT ORIGAMI
I received this  book  (English version) from Fascinating folds today, April
24, so they still have it in stock.
I am not sure whether this message will go to the whole group, so pse pass
the info on, tnx

Cheers

John
from jvanloon@freenet.mb.ca

Net-Tamer V 1.08 - Registered





Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:35:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Origami

>Rodney Fetveit wrote:
>>
>> > >
>> > >     I am looking for detailed diagrams (*.PDF) of dollar bill folds.
>>
>> Not to sound stupid or anything...BUT
>> How do you use *.pdf files??
>>
>> Rodney
>I have the same problem!!!!help me too!!!!
>crystal ;)

Some of my dollar bill folds can be found at http://idt.net/~kittyv in pdf
form.  They can be read and printed out using Adobe's Acrobat Reader 3.0,
which can be doownloaded free from http://www.adobe.com/acrobat.  Good
luck.  James M. Sakoda





Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 23:33:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Samurai Helmet Beetle

On Thu, 24 Apr 1997 A.Welles@student.kun.nl wrote:

=But the problem is: I can't find a picture of that beetle at all. I have
=nearly checked out every (picture)book I could find about Japan, since
=this beetle is a very popular pet in Japan.
=
=Can anybody send me a picture from a samurai helmet beetle? And the Latin
=name?

Since others might want to see the real thing, too, I'm responding publicly.

The "Taiwan kabuto mushi" is "Oryctes rhinoceros".

Samurai Helmet Beetle (This page is in Japanese, but the pictures are good.
It includes a cut-out and fold beetle model.)
  <http://nasca.mediawars.or.jp/macaroni/kabuto/>
This page has bigger photos.
  <http://www.dsl.ics.tut.ac.jp/~okuyama/html/bugs/kabutomushi.html>

Other Japanese beetles:

(Japanese) Stag Beetle
  <http://www8.geocities.com/Tokyo/3247/kuwagata.html>
(Japanese) Long-horned Beetle
  <http://www8.geocities.com/Tokyo/3247/kamikiri.html>

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 01:01:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Eric Andersen <Eric_Andersen@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Samurai Helmet Beetle

On Thu, 24 Apr 1997 A.Welles@student.kun.nl wrote:
>Can anybody send me a picture from a samurai helmet beetle?

I'm not sure this is what you want, but I have a picture of Robert Lang's
samurai helmet beetle (from _Origami Insects_) here:

http://www.netspace.org/~ema/origami/samurai.jpg

-Eric  :-P

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
      A                   A
     /|\            \    /|\                  /-\.
    / | \            \\ / | \ /7\          a miniature
   /__|__\            \/__|__\/             Kawahata
   \  |  /             \_/ \_/             stegosaurus
    \ | /             Flapping
     \|/                bird      Eric Andersen | math major
      V                        Brown University | origami@brown.edu
  Bird Base                 http://www.netspace.org/~ema/origami.html





Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 07:13:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: Eric Andersen <Eric_Andersen@brown.edu>
Subject: [NO] Re: Mail List Esoterica

At 08:30 PM 4/24/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Valerie, I'm afraid that you're correct in that you've confused the
>Origami-L Mailing list with a newsgroup. We're all tied into a single
>mailing server, but there was no appeal to the internet powers to be to
>create that. Anyone can decide to start a mailing list for any reason;
>all thats required is that a computer with a maintained internet
>connection running a listserv software package such as Majordomo. All
>any of us would have to do to start a new mailing list is contract with
>the computers owner...

Right; anyone can run a listserv from their networked computer, and I
believe that LISTSERV(tm) mailing list server written by LSoft, Inc. is
available for free from their web site. My provider, Netspace, will carry
listservs for $5 a year (plus a one-time $5 set-up fee) using this
software. The fee could be larger if there is a larger load. This, of
course, does not include list management (aka being the list owner). I
would be curious to know what other ISPs charge.

>> If I'm not mistaken the owner is the Eastern US somewhere

Boston, I think.

>...As far as I know,
>no one is paying Maarten van Gelder to maintain the Origami Archive,
>he's doing it because he considers the e-mails that fly back and forth
>to be valuable information and has managed to convince someone that
>they're worth keeping...I'll take this as an opportunity to
>say thank you to Maarten specifically.

I would also like to thank Maarten for the great service he is providing
the origami community. Not only have I used the archives many times, but I
often direct others there as a great source of origami information. The
responses have been very positive!

-Eric  :-P

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
      A                   A
     /|\            \    /|\                  /-\.
    / | \            \\ / | \ /7\          a miniature
   /__|__\            \/__|__\/             Kawahata
   \  |  /             \_/ \_/             stegosaurus
    \ | /             Flapping
     \|/                bird      Eric Andersen | math major
      V                        Brown University | origami@brown.edu
  Bird Base                 http://www.netspace.org/~ema/origami.html





Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:08:07 -0300 (ADT)
From: Zachary Brown <zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu>
Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: New model on underground origami site.

Whoops, thanks Marc for emailing me about that.

Some of you may have noticed that the new model on the Underground
Origami Site has bad diagrams. No it doesn't, just bad files. It's all
better now. Give DOM's Dirty Bird another try. The URL is

http://lynx.dac.neu.edu/home/httpd/z/zbrown/origami/underground

Zack





Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:32:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: Zachary Brown <zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu>
Subject: Usenet

There is currently a bit of a discussion on alt.arts.origami about what
to do about all the spam in the newsgroup, the low traffic, etc.

I'm curious about what people on this list think of that situation. It
seems to me that a newsgroup with good traffic would be a good thing. I
made a couple suggestions on the newsgroup, and maybe I should repeat two
of them here.

1) Would a moderated newsgroup appeal to people? I think in the distant
past such a thing was discussed, voted on, and defeated. I think that
judging by the rate of growth of interest in origami, a vote would be
successful this time, if the discussion extended to relevant newsgroups
(soc.culture.japan, and so on).

2) How would people feel about the list being gated to alt.arts.origami,
so that whatever people sent to the list would be automatically posted to
origami as well? (But not the other way around. The list would not
receive all the postings made to alt.arts.origami---though that might be
a possibility if people wanted it)

I do think something should be done, because as things stand, I believe a
lot of people find alt.arts.origami, see that it is either empty or
filled wit SPAM, get discouraged, and go away. Only the few that actually
post, asking what's going on, get replies directing them to origami-l. I
regard that as sort of a sad thing for the people who don't post, and
don't find origami-l.

If nothing else, it might be a good idea for alt.arts.origami to simply
carry a pointer to this mailing list, so newcomers will at least see that
there is indeed origami discussion on the internet. I'm not in favor of
that idea, though, because it would permanently kill alt.arts.origami as
an origami discussion area.

Usenet is wonderful because it is easy to find. No one has to search
altavista for a mailing list that may or may not be there. They just tell
their newsreader, "is there a group with 'origami' in the name, and it
comes right up. With origami growing in popularity, it seems like a
backwards idea to try to keep a discussion forum small and limited. If
anything, that will only hurt origami's popularity, as people who can't
find the list get discouraged, especially if they are hungry for origami
discussion, as many are. Usenet is a truly public place. And if a
moderated group starts getting too much traffic, it can be split into
multiple groups that each focus on a different subject, so eventually you
might have

rec.arts.origami.announce
rec.arts.origami.beginner
rec.arts.origami.computer
rec.arts.origami.math
rec.arts.origami.modulars
rec.arts.origami.misc

or whatever. I think to begin with, none of that would be necessary, but
I mention it to allay the fears that high traffic will be the death of
origami discussion. It doesn't have to be.

alt.arts.origami is not in any kind of position to make a decision or
take action on this just on its own. Whatever happens, I think origami-l
has to be at the center of the discussion.

Zack





Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:14:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: A.Welles@student.kun.nl
Subject: Samurai Helmet Beetle -found-

Herby I'd like to thank evrybody who has replied my call for the Samurai
helmet Beetle. I now have a pretty good idea what the insect looks like.

I already have designed a base for the "Kabutomushi", but it is always
hard to tell if it will work eventually.

Arjan Welles
The Netherlands
A.Welles@student.kun.nl





Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:34:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: John Abbott <john@nombas.com>
Subject: Re: Usenet

I first found out about the list via alt.origami. Since then my company
switched ISP's and it is no longer available, but here's what I think:

>1) Would a moderated newsgroup appeal to people?

Yes, but: How moderated? Who will volunteer to do the moderating? In
effect, isn't that what the list is?

As I understood it, the newsgroup is a foyer area - you enter the foyer and
are invited to enter the mailing list. This protects the list from spam and
creates a peaceful hidden rest area off the information superhighway. What
if you created a series of messages that interested people are likely to
respond to (perhaps offer diagrams of models of varying complexity), that
would then include information about the list? These messages could be
periodically and automatically posted to the newsgroup.





Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 14:22:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: Douglas Zander <dzander@solaria.sol.net>
Subject: Re: my wife's complaint

some one should send this list (alternatives to folding paper)
publicity and maybe get more people interested in paper folding...

 Let's start a list of the TOP TEN Alternatives To Folding Paper
 When Your Wife Complains About Crinkling.





Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 14:57:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com>
Subject: Re: Usenet

We've discussed this before, but I think it's probably worth bringing
up for rediscussion every once in a while. We certainly have people on
the list who were'nt around the last time.

Zach (zbrown @ lynx.dac.neu.edu) asked:

>2) How would people feel about the list being gated to alt.arts.origami,
>so that whatever people sent to the list would be automatically posted to
>origami as well?

I'm hesistant to agree to this, for the same reason Jeannine said we
should not archive the list through the (free) commercial archiver. I
get a ridiculous amount of junk e-mail. According to Deja News, I have
posted less than 30 messages to usenet over the last year, and this is the
only source that I know of for people to get my e-mail address. If my
messages to origami-l were going to be posted *with my return address*
to usenet, I would feel the need to alter my return address to prevent
junk mail. This would make it more difficult for origami-l users to reply
to me personally, which I don't want to have happen---we get too many
messages to the list that should have been personal as it is. (Even
forgiving the ones where the individual hit send too fast.)

My employer has made it more difficult to use usenet than e-mail. I
will probably never visit alt.arts.origami, whether it's moderated or not.
I would not want to have the e-mail list disappear. I don't think Zach
is suggesting that, but I would be sad if the "real" discussion moved to
usenet where my access would be intermittent at best. Maybe this is
selfishness, but I suspect others share it.

>...Usenet is a truly public place. ...

Which is, I think, part of why I prefer the listserv. The usenet groups
I read (when I can) often erupt into arguments about whether the long
time readers/contributors have the "right" to try to control the culture
of the group. We have our arguments, but they're almost always about the
topic at hand rather than meta-arguments about the culture of the list.
And they're (almost) always good-natured even when passions run amuck.
I know that alt.arts.origami will be far more like
rec.crafts.textiles.quilting than alt.folklore.urban, but even
rec.crafts.textiles.quilting has its
moments when I'd rather be anywhere else. Origami-l has only had one of
those moments in the three + years I've been on the list. And, Zach, I
think you instigated that one!

Actually, that argument (which started as a request that descriptions of
models on the Underground site be less explicit or not made at all) might
well have gone the other way in a public forum. Because we are a closed
group, we can ask members to respect the fact that there are children among
us (as well as adults who are sensitive about certain subjects). On usenet
you can still say "if you can't respect our preferences, go away" but you
have to be willing to constantly stand up against every new crop of
readers/contributors who think we should be like everyone else. (Anyone
else here read AFU?)

Well, I've had my say for "change is bad and we are great." What do you
think?

Lisa (Actually, I enjoy a good meta-argument!)
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com
Boston, MA





Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:59:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Re: [NO] Re: Mail List Esoterica

Eric Andersen wrote:
> I would also like to thank Maarten for the great service he is providing
> the origami community. Not only have I used the archives many times, but I
> often direct others there as a great source of origami information. The
> responses have been very positive!

Me, too.

After all these complaints about being dropped, postponed,
etc. I think we shouldn`t forget that we can only complain
about the list because we HAVE this wonderful list!
Without it, I would never have learned as much about Origami
as I have in just these few month I`ve been on the list.
And I wouldn`t have met so many interesting people that know
so much about Origami.

So stop complaining, and start cheering Maarten for all his
work!

Thanks, Maarten!

Matthias





Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:54:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: my wife's complaint

Douglas Zander wrote:
+ Let's start a list of the TOP TEN Alternatives To Folding Paper
+ When Your Wife Complains About Crinkling.

Well, the Internet and Web may be mostly mail, and maybe even origami-l though
I haven't tried to find out, but at least the practice of origami itself is
very well balanced male/female, so a better list would be:

TOP TEN Alternatives to Folding Paper
When The Crinkling Is Just TOO Loud

    Switch to wet folding, but be sure to use steam from a
            whistling tea kettle.

    Tell 'em to snore louder!

    .
    .
    .

    -Doug





Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:59:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Re: Usenet

Hi Zack

I am one of those lucky people you and Penny fished
out of the world wide spam of alt.arts.origami and
directed me to origami-l (Thanks again :-) ),
so I think I should comment.

The situation in alt.arts.origami really is bad.
I gave up reading it a while ago because there wasn`t
any origami-related content. But you are right, we
can`t just give up on this wonderful opportunity
to hook unsuspecting netizens to Origami <g>.
So I appreciate, and support, any "action" that
restores the origami newsgroups to what they should
be: A forum for Origami Fans all over the world.

Now to your suggestions:

I think a moderated alt.arts.origami and
alt.binaries.pictures.origami would be great. Traffic
COULD become quite heavy, which would of course be a
good thing, but take a lot of time for the moderator.
Even if the newsgroup is split up like you suggested.

I think it would be a very bad idea to automatically gate
all origami-l postings to alt.arts.origami. First of all,
scambots are scanning the newsgroups all the time. Whenever
I make a (very occasional, nowadays) posting to a newsgroup
with my correct e-mail adress in the header, I receive
unwanted junk e-mail. I can forge my header, and I sometimes
do so when surfing the web or posting to Newsgroups. But this
takes some time (even if it is just a simple batch file job
to copy a forged ini- file to my netscape- directory),
and not everybody can do it.
We don`t want to play in the hands of those awfully abusive
scambot people, do we?
Second, I don`t think it makes sense to gate a mailing
list to a newsgroup. This would double the traffic
(wasting bandwidth) on the internet. And we all who
subscribe to origami-l would have to wade through exactly
the same postings again.

This said, I guess I`ll have to fire up my newsreader
and start reading/writing the Origami Newsgroup again :-).

Matthias





Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:00:12 -0300 (ADT)
From: Zachary Brown <zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu>
Subject: Re: Usenet

> rec.crafts.textiles.quilting has its
> moments when I'd rather be anywhere else. Origami-l has only had one of
> those moments in the three + years I've been on the list. And, Zach, I
> think you instigated that one!
>
> Actually, that argument (which started as a request that descriptions of
> models on the Underground site be less explicit or not made at all) might
> well have gone the other way in a public forum. Because we are a closed
> group, we can ask members to respect the fact that there are children among
> us (as well as adults who are sensitive about certain subjects).

I didn't get the impression that the argument went any particular "way".
As far as I can remember, the members of the list remained divided about
it, and even if they hadnn't, there was never the threat of actual
control.  I haven't been announcing new models on the site lately, because
none have come in; and I wasn't sexually explicit about the "dirty bird"
model, because I liked the "action model looking for action"  play on
words.

But I don't want to dredge up that previous argument right now unless
people feel it really is relevant. I just wanted to point out that those
kinds of discussions can and do happen everywhere where there is a
variety of people.

The idea that the mailing list can remain a small, safe corner, is just
not realistic given the strong increase in the popularity of origami,
especially if the mailing list remains the only usable forum. It may be
that people's reluctance to start a moderated group indicates that it's
too soon, and that this list really is enough. What do people think about
that? Is it silly to start talking about usenet while the traffic of this
list is still manageable? And can anyone make some suggestions about what

Zack

> Lisa (Actually, I enjoy a good meta-argument!)
> Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com
> Boston, MA

Have you been to origaMIT? You should come on down and we can duke it out
while we fold, or we could just fold. First and third sundays of each
month while classes are in session, usually in room 2-139 of MIT. email
freakboy@mit.edu to get on the announcement mailing list.





Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:07:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: Zachary Brown <zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu>
Subject: Re: Usenet

> I first found out about the list via alt.origami. Since then my company
> switched ISP's and it is no longer available, but here's what I think:
>
> >1) Would a moderated newsgroup appeal to people?
>
> Yes, but: How moderated? Who will volunteer to do the moderating? In
> effect, isn't that what the list is?

Not quite. There is no control put on the contents of the list. The only
kind of "moderation" that might be taking place is when people never
learn about the list. But that's a pretty harsh condition. Wasn't each
one of us happy when we first learned about this list? Why try to keep it
to ourselves?

> As I understood it, the newsgroup is a foyer area - you enter the foyer and
> are invited to enter the mailing list. This protects the list from spam and
> creates a peaceful hidden rest area off the information superhighway. What
> if you created a series of messages that interested people are likely to
> respond to (perhaps offer diagrams of models of varying complexity), that
> would then include information about the list? These messages could be
> periodically and automatically posted to the newsgroup.

That's pretty much one of the possibilities I put forward, though my
least favorite one. What do other folks think of it?

Zack





Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:35:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Usenet

Zachary Brown wrote about the trials and tribulations of alt.arts.origami
and floated several suggestions.  John Abbott and Lisa Hodsdon both replied
(so far the only replies I have seen) saying essentially that origami-l is a
nice little backwater off the beaten path, if I may mix my metaphors.

Personally, my access to alt groups is sporadic, so I would hate to see
everyone leave origami-l to join it, and it seems that for the most
part that hasn't happened.

Moderation would solve some of the existing noise-postings problems,
but a determined spammer will forge approval anyways.  I would also not
like to find this list gatewayed into a newsgroup.  Having participated
in a manual transfer of messages between various source providers (for
another forum), it is very frustrating to see and respond to discussion
when those responses cannot be seen by the authors of the original
message.  (As it is now, just on origami-l, after a few days folks jump
into a thread with "I didn't see the beginning of this, but..."
messages!)  But that would mean gatewaying the newsgroup back
into origami-l, which I think would be a very bad idea.

Interestingly enough, this is, in a different guise, the same issue that
origami organizations are facing today, the dichotomy between:

    a) becoming successful and popular
    b) staying small'n'nice'n'warm'n'fuzzy'n'comfortable'n'...

Many have lamented about the list being their only contact with other
folders, or the inability to find origami supplies (paper and books,
mostly) locally, or of other things indicative of a small population of
folders, though in Japan that might be very different from in the
West.

Yet when I go to the OUSA conventions in NYC the sense of organization
and history and community is very strong.

In the real life version of this, local origami clubs struggle between
the low attendence of the old timers who are technically adept and an
influx of people who have not learned the difference between a mountain
fold and a valley fold.  How do you make the new folk feel welcome (in this
case, keep them from leaving alt.arts.origami due to low content and high
spam) and yet keep the oldtimers from being bored and leaving due to
disinterest and yet another round of "RTFM" and other such things?

-D'gou





Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 17:06:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Thanks Maarten! (Was: Mail List Esoterica...)

Charles Knuffke wrote:

+An amazing wealth of information that we all get to partake of, all the
+more so when you consider its cost. I'll take this as an opportunity to
+say thank you to Maarten specifically.

Agreed!  Thanks Maarten!

I regularly delete origami-l email because I _know_ that I can go back
to the archive and find it if I need to.  Often a message that
obliquely refers to something posted weeks earlier will spark my
interest to go back and re-read messages.  I have used the email search
function on many occasions as well.  Having once maintained an email service
(semi-manually) I know that this is not a trivial amount of work.  So, again:

Thanks Maarten!

-Doug





Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 18:10:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: rick@tridelta.com (Rick Bissell)
Subject: Re: my wife's complaint

>TOP TEN Alternatives to Folding Paper
>When The Crinkling Is Just TOO Loud
>
>    Switch to wet folding, but be sure to use steam from a
>           whistling tea kettle.
>
>    Tell 'em to snore louder!
>

    Try "stealth folding":
    Carefully prepare for the fold (mentally envision the
    required movment and place fingers lightly on the paper),
    and then wait for an appropriate moment: honk of a car horn,
    furnace/'fridge kicks on, dog barks, etc.  QUICKLY make
    the fold during the diversionary noise and then prepare
    for the next fold.

-- rick
   (sorry I started this!)





Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 18:36:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Zachary Brown <zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu>
Subject: Re: Usenet

> Personally, my access to alt groups is sporadic, so I would hate to see
> everyone leave origami-l to join it, and it seems that for the most
> part that hasn't happened.

Just a factual point: alt groups are always unmoderated. If a moderated
group is ever decided upon, it will be in a different different group in a
different hierarchy, so people's limited access to alt groups will not be
a problem.

Zack





Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 19:04:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: John Abbott <john@nombas.com>
Subject: Re: my wife's complaint

At 06:11 PM 4/25/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>>TOP TEN Alternatives to Folding Paper
>>When The Crinkling Is Just TOO Loud
>>
>>    Switch to wet folding, but be sure to use steam from a
>>          whistling tea kettle.
>>
>>    Tell 'em to snore louder!
>>
>
>    Try "stealth folding":
>    Carefully prepare for the fold (mentally envision the
>    required movment and place fingers lightly on the paper),
>    and then wait for an appropriate moment: honk of a car horn,
>    furnace/'fridge kicks on, dog barks, etc.  QUICKLY make
>    the fold during the diversionary noise and then prepare
>    for the next fold.
>

Instead of paper, fold your models from processed cheese squares.





Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 19:19:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: Douglas Zander <dzander@solaria.sol.net>
Subject: Re: Usenet

Forwarded message:
> Just a factual point: alt groups are always unmoderated. If a moderated
> group is ever decided upon, it will be in a different different group in a
> different hierarchy, so people's limited access to alt groups will not be
> a problem.
>
> Zack
>

 so let me get this straight, if we want a moderated Usenet newsgroup,
 it *has* to be in a different hierarchy that alt.* ?   Would that mean
 that we would have to have a vote on this new newsgroup?   I wonder if
 such a vote would pass, considering that we already have an origami
 newsgroup...





Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 19:23:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: Allen Parry <parry@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: Usenet

> From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp+@transarc.com>
>
> Zachary Brown wrote about the trials and tribulations of alt.arts.origami
> and floated several suggestions.  John Abbott and Lisa Hodsdon both
replied
> (so far the only replies I have seen) saying essentially that origami-l
is a
> nice little backwater off the beaten path, if I may mix my metaphors.
>
> Moderation would solve some of the existing noise-postings problems,
> but a determined spammer will forge approval anyways.  I would also not
> like to find this list gatewayed into a newsgroup.

        I also am opposed to my mail intended for our origami-l community
        going out to a newsgroup.  If I wanted my mail to be broadcast
        to a newsgroup then I would send it myself.

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 19:48:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: [NO] Re: Mail List Esoterica

A couple of points:

1.  I knew that the archiving wasn't automatic (some lists don't have an
archive, even by the owner, and even when everything takes place on
the same system, i.e. the owner of the list has some affiliation with
the host site.

I believe I am not mistaken that every list has an "owner". A new
operation could be started somewhere else, of course, and everything
transferred to it.

2.   I was not referring to running a LISTSERVER as requiring a
procedure with the Internet powers that be. Certainly anyone with
the right kind of connection to the Internet can obtain listserver
software and service mailing lists from their system.

I was referring to the procedure for starting a mail list. (It does
take a *formal* procedure to start a new newsgroup). Still, mailing
lists do not just self-generate, someone starts them, and is then
known as the "owner", and it is that person who decides whether the
list is moderated, open, closed, whatever, and presumably makes the
arrangements for the location of the host, using whatever listserving
software (majordome, listserv, whatever) the hosting system happens
to use.

3.   I believe that Maarten has **NOTHING** to do with the operation
of the listserver, or the rash of postponements and being
dropped, other than that Maarten has equally been a victim
of this listserver's crankiness along with the rest of us. (Though one
does wonder if the other 71 lists this server handles are experiencing
similar crankiness...)

Maarten's archiving service has no connection with the listserving
process; it is a volunteer service he has undertaken separately.
And for another thing, Maarten and his archive (Thank you
Maarten!) is in the Netherlands and the the listserver is in Canada!

.To say nothing of the fact that Maarten cares about origami and
the listserver is just a semi-smart computer program that doesn't
give a hoot about the content of the messages it forwards...
:-)

--valerie





Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 20:36:07 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kim Best <kim.best@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: Samurai Helmet Beetle

Joseph Wu wrote:

>
> Samurai Helmet Beetle (This page is in Japanese, but the pictures are good.
> It includes a cut-out and fold beetle model.)
>   <http://nasca.mediawars.or.jp/macaroni/kabuto/>

Great pictures!  But could you be more specific as to where the cut-out
beetle model is.
I tried to follow the links (Which I couldn't understand at all), but
couldn't find it.

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 22:26:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: Zachary Brown <zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu>
Subject: Re: Usenet

> Forwarded message:
> > Just a factual point: alt groups are always unmoderated. If a moderated
> > group is ever decided upon, it will be in a different different group in a
> > different hierarchy, so people's limited access to alt groups will not be
> > a problem.
> >
> > Zack
>
>  so let me get this straight, if we want a moderated Usenet newsgroup,
>  it *has* to be in a different hierarchy that alt.* ?   Would that mean
>  that we would have to have a vote on this new newsgroup?   I wonder if
>  such a vote would pass, considering that we already have an origami
>  newsgroup...

Usenet is a strange place. But many groups start off in the alt hierarchy
and then move to a different hierarchy and let the alt group fade away.
It's fairly common. alt.ascii-art became rec.arts.ascii a couple years
ago. Now both groups flourish, one moderated, the other not. Having an
alt group will certainly not make it harder to get a moderated group.

As far as the other messages about gating origami-l to alt.arts.origami,
I have to agree with the detractors, as far as the fact that giving
spambots access to everyone's email address would just invite junk mail.
But maybe there is a way to do it while slightly disguising each person's
return address in a way that would allow a human to figure out the true
address, but would confuse a robot.

It may be that gating origami-l to alt.arts.origami would be bad, a
moderated group would be just as dead as alt.arts.origami, and daily
pointers in alt.arts.origami to the mailing list would set up a permanent
crippling of the whole newsgroup concept. In that case, the only thing I
can think of is that maybe people should regard alt.arts.origami as kind
of a younger sibling, needing to be nurtured and cared for. It may be
that creating the group was a mistake to begin with, but now that it
exists, maybe we should try to make sure that it does get some kind of
traffic, and is not left to die.

Zack





Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 00:28:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mianbru@aol.com
Subject: E-mail

I haven't recieved anything from you for over two weeks. What is wrong?





Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 03:50:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Samurai Helmet Beetle

On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Kim Best wrote:

=Joseph Wu wrote:
=> Samurai Helmet Beetle (This page is in Japanese, but the pictures are good.
=> It includes a cut-out and fold beetle model.)
=>   <http://nasca.mediawars.or.jp/macaroni/kabuto/>
=
=Great pictures!  But could you be more specific as to where the cut-out
=beetle model is.
=I tried to follow the links (Which I couldn't understand at all), but
=couldn't find it.

The third link in the list of 4 links leads to this page

<http://nasca.mediawars.or.jp/macaroni/kabuto/craft.html>

which details the craft. The link in the middle of this page leads to the
cut-out diagram:

<http://nasca.mediawars.or.jp/macaroni/kabuto/katagami.html>

Does this help?

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 04:27:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Allen Parry <parry@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: palmer model in $400 book

> From: pat slider <slider@stonecutter.com>

>....... Chris Palmer has taken a large rose-colored piece of Peter's
> handmade paper, and using a folding system he invented specifically
> for this book, formed a three-dimensional paper rose in its center.
> This rose has been pasted onto boards in a unique quarter leather
> binding by the Thomases.  .....
>....... They are published here for the first time. US$395.00
>
> Just found the book listing above. If you are interested, the
> bookseller is truepenny books (http://www.tdigital.com/truepenny/).
>
> This title definitely sounds like a museum piece. The seven copies
> with Chris Palmer's work are still available; at least I assume they
> are from the last line of the description. (Quite beyond my book
> budget!) Wonder if Palmer was paid for the work?

Pat,

Thanks for calling my attention to my project.  I had
not seen the end result of it.  I did this project a couple
years ago right before I moved from Santa Cruz(CA).
I left so soon after I did the job that I never saw it in its
completed form. Working with the Thomas' was a pleasure
(partly because they are my friends and partly it was
inspiring to work with such fine artisans) and in answer
to your question I did get paid.  By the way according
to the listing on the booksellers webpage the seven
special copies with my rose sell for $865 each.
(The 75 copies at $400 each do not incorporate my work.)
 The price is beyond my budget as well.  From what I
saw of the project (before I left) and what I know of the
quality of their work, it is an accurate reflection of the
time and skill that went into the production of this edition.

  Chris K. Palmer

c/o
Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 08:10:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Dino Andreozzi <andreozzi.a@botkyrka.mail.telia.com>
Subject: A Swedish Origami Homepage

Hi Folders,
take a look at my swedish origami homepage. The URL is:
http://hem.passagen.se/dion
The page contains informations about the Swedish Origami Association, 3
folding diagrams of my own models ( more coming soon!) plus a booklist
that I would like to complete with your help.

Best wishes

Dino Andreozzi

My E-mail address: andreozzi.a@botkyrka.mail.telia.com

PS:If you received this message before without subject please delete it.
The first message was sended by mistake.





Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 08:29:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: John Smith <jon.pure@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Origami Books for blind people

At 05:19 PM 4/17/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
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>Hello!
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>Are there books with instructions for fold, published for blind people ?
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>Where can I find them ?
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>Jose Tomas Buitrago Molina

I am sorry for the delay but I had to find the full references.

Elsje van der Ploeg and Hilly Jongsma produced a book in relief printing
with a cassette for blind people. It is called Origami, seeing with your
hands and it is published by Interval B.V., P.O. Box 40163, 6504 AD
Nijimegen, Nederland, Tel. +31-(0)80-77 26 12.The price is 175 Guilders. The
Le Sage ten Broek Library for the Blind collaborated.

I checked the English version of the casstte and it is a first class product.

 Hope this is of use John.

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John Smith
Norwich
England
e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 15:50:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@sci.fi>
Subject: Robert Lang plays hockey?

I wonder how Robert manages to split his time between origami and playing
hockey in Czech team?

A rumor says that he'll be back playing in Finland next season. If that's
true then we might see something interesting when he sits in penalty box
where the coach can't control him!

Are there any hockey player models? I can fold the puck myself :)

Jorma "we all know which team wins" Oksanen
--
Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

"It's a good thing the average person doesn't realize
 the awesome destructive power of origami"              Earthworm Jim





Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 20:05:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kimberly Crane <kcrane@kimscrane.com>
Subject: Wileytoon

I just got the Sunday's newspaper paper.  The Sunday, April 27, 1997
Wileytoon is dedicated to origami.  Unfortunately the Wileytoon site:
www.washingtonpost.com/wiley has only friday's cartoon so far.  Keep
checking for Sundays!

Kimberly Crane
http://www.kimscrane.com





Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 00:34:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@erols.com>
Subject: Two new Kawahata's books?

I just visited Sasuga's web site and found two Kawahata's new titles:
http://world.std.com/~sasuga/neworigami.html

Origami: Imaginary Animals of the World

Kawahata, Fumiaki [Ishizue] paperback 1997 66 pp. isbn: 4-900747-14-9
$20.80

In Japanese. Centaurs, unicorns, and minotaurs grace the pages of this
latest book by origami master
Fumiaki Kawahata. A total of 16 models, ranging from the whimsical to
the fierce, and ranging in difficulty
from the simple (fewer than 20 folds) to the fairly complex (close to 70
folds).

Origami: Wild Animals of the World

Kawahata, Fumiaki [Ishizue] paperback 1996 66 pp. isbn: 4-900747-11-4
$20.80

In Japanese. For collectors of animal origami books, this will be a
welcome addition to the shelves. Fumiaki
Kawahata at his best -- with models ranging from a fearsome gorilla to a
playful panda. 15 models in all,
with several full-color photos of Kawahata's work.

Anyone see these?

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