




Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 22:16:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: American Lobster

> A lobotomy might help ;-)
>
> A personal reply, for fear of the flames from those who wouldn't get the
> joke. I have a hard enough time when I have to repeat a set of steps
> multiple times for multiple appendages; doing modulars is still more
> work than pleasure.

I agree. But yet when I am finally done with a modular I like it ends up
being worth it. It's just that it takes me days to finally get started on a
modular that I think I may like.

--
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 22:59:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: Re: Star Search

I've always liked the Saar Star, one version of which is in _Magic of
Origami_ by Gray and Kasahara.

Carol Hall
chall@scsn.net





Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 22:59:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: biz card association

I came across this tidbit recently and thought the business card folders
might be interested:
Amercian Business Card Club (ABCC)
P.O. Box 460297
Aurora CO 80046-0297
(303) 690 6496
A club for business card designers, producers, users, collectors, enthusiasts.
(Didn't say anything about folders.  They might just have some info on
customs and taboos, though.)

Oh, and the ABCC is not to be confused with the
Business Card Museum
c/o Ken Erdman
402 Bethlehem Pike
Erdenheim PA 19038
(215) 247 5377
(215) 233 2203 fax
which houses a collection of antique and unique business cards.

Carol Hall
chall@scsn.net





Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 00:14:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: Marty Katz <mandrk@pb.net>
Subject: Re: "Star Search"

>
> Here's a simple 6 pointed origami star that can be made from 6
> American business cards (2" x 3.5").  Cards in other proportions will
> not work.  Fold the card along it's long diagonal, to form what looks
> like two mountain peaks.
>
>
>       / \        / \
>      /     \  /     \
>     /      /         \
>    /    /             \
>   /  /                 \
>   ----------------------
>
> Add two vertical creases from the peaks of the mountains down to the
> long diagonal.  The left fold is a mountain fold, the right one is a
> valley.  Hook the flap at the right over the corresponding edge of the
> another such unit placed under it, rotated 60 degrees.  The second
> unit underneath will also have a flap that can be hooked over an edge
> of the unit on top.
>
>           edge |
>                V
>       /|\        /|\
>      / *   \  /     \
>     /  |   /      |  \  <-- flap
>    /   */             \
>   /  / |          |    \
>   ----------------------
>
>
>       -- Jeannine Mosely

What a neat star! I was puzzled until I realized that I needed to hook the card
over at  the top of the long diagonal.  Is this your model? I'd love to see it
(and other business card modules) in The Annual Collection.

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 01:00:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Allen Parry <parry@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Rose

> From: Carol Martinson <carolm@library.stpaul.lib.mn.us>

>       I have received a request from one of our customers for the
> instructions for a dollar bill rose.  I haven't done much money folding,
> so I personally don't know of any models.

I puchased in Las Vegas a couple of Roses that are absolutely beautiful,
made out of dollar bills.  They're very ornate with realistic plastic stems
and a little baby's breath, wrapped in a clear plastic as one would get
from
the florist.  I am impressed by whoever is putting these out.  They come in
two model...the rose bud and a rose in full bloom.  I am sure these are the
two dollar rose bud and the four dollar rose, respectively...designed by
Rosalind Joyce which can be found in the 1989 OUSA Convention Annual.
stems
and leaves.  Contact me if you want the name, phone number or address of
the people who make these.

Not of the same caliper, but a nice fold just the same, is a fold recently
shown
roses, made
out of a single dollar bill (the base is a blintz base) but this one is a
little more
difficult to fold....but pretty and doesn't cost so much to fold.  I'm
pretty sure its
not diagrammed...but if there is a lot of interest I could try hunting down
the creator
and get permission to diagram it.

Those are my suggestions for the marvelous world of dollar bill folding.

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 17:55:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com>
Subject: Meditation? Was Re: American Lobster

Tom Hull had great things to say about folding modulars & tesselations:

>In an origami tesselation, oftentimes one spends hours doing
>nothing but precreasing the paper, then collapsing it all
>down in the end.  I can't begin to communicate what an
>amazingly meditative and rewarding experience this can be.
I have really enjoyed the feeling of accomplishment I get
from folding tesselations, but I would hardly call the
work meditative. The precreasing, maybe. The collapsing
is anything but. Maybe I just haven't done enough of them.

>Modular origami is pure meditation, plain and simple.

This, I can agree with. Though again, putting the pieces
together causes severe frustration for most people, including
myself if the locking mechanism is too complex or flimsy.

>To coax the paper into the fished form is euphoric!

Ah. So true. Though sometimes the paper ends up looking
unintentionally wet-folded. Would this be the lure of modulars?

Fortunately, we don't all have to enjoy folding the same things. You'll
probably never catch me folding anything out of _sealife_ or _insects_
unless I'm doing it just to keep someone else company as we journey
through the diagrams.

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com
Boston, MA
(The big run's tomorrow! I work 2 blocks from the finish line of the Boston
Marathon, so I have tomorrow off.)





Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 21:34:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: [NO] Joke (was Re: American Lobster)

On Sat, 19 Apr 1997 hull@MATH.URI.EDU wrote:

=Modular origami is pure meditation, plain and simple.

So, Tom, is this the title of your next book? 8)

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 21:45:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Jackson's Rosette (was Re: Dollar Bill Rose)

On Sat, 19 Apr 1997, Carol Martinson wrote:

=       Rosette by Paul Jackson in his book Folding Money.  I don't own
=             this book, nor do I know anyone who does.

This model is not a rose, but rather a pleated fan-like circular structure.

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 22:16:43 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Yoshihide Momotani

On Sat, 19 Apr 1997, Valerie Vann wrote:

=I am delighted that someone is paying long overdue attention
=to Momotani's work, which I feel is poorly known in the USA at
=least; the books are in Japanese, but contain sufficient English
=(Momotani's own translations, I presume), including English titles,
=for English readers to use them without difficulty. Fascinating
=Folds is currently carrying 5 of Momotani's books, one on kusudama,
=one on ships, and 3 on flowers. OUSA's supply center carries some
=also, including the wonderful architecture one.

True, the work of the Momotani family is beautiful, and the books are a great
resource/reference, but they do tend to be a bit confusing. I'm sure the
diagrams are clear when he drew them, but often it feels like he left out a
step here and there. And for his many-pieced models (like the various
buildings/architecture), the explanations of how to assemble the pieces are
often lacking. I'm not trying to dump on their work (it's great), but just
warning potential buyers of these books that they can be difficult to
understand.

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 22:29:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Re: "Star Search"

Rachel Katz wrote:

   What a neat star! I was puzzled until I realized that I needed to hook the
     card
   over at  the top of the long diagonal.  Is this your model? I'd love to see
     it
   (and other business card modules) in The Annual Collection.

Thanks, I'm glad you like it.  It flies pretty well, if you give it a
flick on launching.  I'm starting to write up instructions for all my
business card models, in the hopes of finding a publisher.  It will
take a while, though, as I still have to earn a living, cook dinner
and put the kids to bed (but thankfully, not by myself).

        -- Jeannine Mosely





Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 22:53:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: permission for scans

Ok everybody:

You'd think by now I'd know better than to go off half-cocked
and send out email when I'm feeling grumpy, operating on
insufficient data, and generally all wet.

I apologize, and especially to Pat Slider. I know very well
that there is nothing against using photos (scans, whatever)
of book covers for promotional, advertizing, review, etc.
purposes. (It would be a violation of copyright to edit the
photo to remove the book cover information and just use the
artwork or picture.)

Not only do Amazon, Fascinating Folds, and every on or off line
book store, reviewer etc do this, I suggested it myself in exactly
the context Pat was talking about, i.e. a web site bibliography that
would give us some help in differentiating one edition from another,
and recognizing which foreign language (especially Japanese) book
is which. (Although I think I may have run into a later edition of
a Fuse book with a different cover, but the same ISBN number as the
earlier edition; have to double check this.)

About all I can say by way of feeble excuse is that I was led astray
by references to "scanning commonly available materials" (with no
mention of *covers* or purpose); and that apparently the reason I
missed one of the crucial pieces of the thread is that the subject
was "Digest No. xxx". (It would be helpful if those who get the list
in digest form would take a second or two and change the subject to
something meaningful.)

I would note that "personal use" is not a conclusive grounds for
legal copying, especially if the copying is done to avoid paying
for the work; and "non-profit" use is also a somewhat muddy area.
One of the reasons as I recall that OUSA asks for specific permission
to use copyrighted material in classes and the like, is that they
were advised to do so for events with admission charges, even though
they are a non-profit organization. And I would note that commercial
copy shops in my area will refuse to copy copyrighted material for
you, regardless of source or who you are. We once had to hand copy
a 500 page report from a government funded commission because
someone had put a copyright notice on it and we didn't have time
to get written release. (Nobody at the commission knew why this
had been copyrighted.)

One thing that might be considered for the bibliography site (I
suggested this to Fascinating Folds awhile back): photos, or web
links to photos of models made by individuals from the diagrams in
the book, as the most graphic way of describing what's in the book.
This could turn into a big web site, but perhaps OUSA or somebody
could take it over eventually.

--valerie
(crawling back into hole and pulling hole in after...)
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 01:14:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Yoshihide Momotani

Joseph Wu wrote that Momotani's books can be difficult.

I agree; in my post I should have mentioned that these are not
books for beginners, even the flower ones. The photos of the
completed flowers make it plain that there is more than rote
following of diagrams here: obviously the flowers in the photos
are the product of much love and knowledge of flowers, a skilled
folder and great artistry.

Some flowers such as hydrangas are formed of "tessellation" type
folds, and need a lot of patience and some experience. Also the
5 books available from Fascinating Folds have sparse English beyond
the titles and translating the model names, and the diagrams do
leave a fair amount to the readers imagination and/or experience
at times. But if you're at least intermediate and have worked your
way through some complex models diagrams and a couple of Japanese
books, give these a try.

The book on Decorative Flower Balls (Kusudama), by the way, has
some plain regular polyhedron instructions, including a nice
pentagon unit. (Joined with tabs, similar to Fuse's in Unit Origami
and the polyhedron models in Kasahara's Origami Omnibus.)

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 03:10:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: [NO] More on racial slurs (was re: Ouch!)

On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Sheldon Ackerman wrote:

= I'm glad you are great enough to laugh at yourself. I guess not every
= one feels the way you do. Yaacov M was certainly correct in
= expressing his feelings! You do not have to agree with him.
= Joseph responded and apologised appropriately. As far as I can tell,
= Joseph certainly did not mean anything derogatory. On the one or two
= occasions I met him he did not treat me, a NY Jew (with a Kipah
= pinned to his head), any differently that he treats anyone else. I
= hope :-)

Thanks, Sheldon. No, I didn't mean to be derogatory. Just trying to be concise
and descriptive at the same time. I won't claim that I treat everyone the same
way, or even that I try to, but I do try not to give offense unless there's a
good reason for it. BTW, what's the difference between a "kipah" and a
"yarmulke"? (You can answer that last one privately if you wish.)

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 03:39:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: An interesting problem, and origami web links

I've received a reply from the person who asked about the cardboard construct.
Here's the details:

YES, YOU PLACE 1000 lbs ON THE STRUCTURE AND IT DOESN'T COLLAPSE. THE
CARDBOARD IS 6FT x 3FT. I AM ALLOWED TO DO JUST ABOUT ANYTHING I WANT, USING
ONLY THE CARDBOARD AND GLUE.

Anyway, thanks for everyone's comments on this. I boiled it all down to some
general hints and this person was quite grateful. Apparently, all that was
wanted were some ideas to work from. I'm supposed to be receiving a report on
how it all works out.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

I've restructured the Origami Web links on my page. Now the linked-to sites
that contain diagrams are marked with a different icon and contain a list of
what format the diagrams appear in (GIF, JPEG, Postscript, PDF, Shockwave,
etc.). Also, the list is now being maintained with a CGI script, so all of the
previous linkages are now defunct. The new URL is

<http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami/Other/other.cgi>

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 06:31:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: [NO] More on racial slurs (was re: Ouch!)

. BTW, what's the difference between a "kipah" and a
> "yarmulke"? (You can answer that last one privately if you wish.)
>
Kipah and Yarmulka mean exactly the same. Kipah is Hebrew, while
yarmulke is Yiddish.





Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:28:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@erols.com>
Subject: Re: looking for jumping frog from 2:1 rectangle

At 03:47 PM 4/7/97 -0300, Nancy Backes wrote:
>
>I want to thank Marc and Molly for the information on the frog.  I had
>come up with something very close to what Marc described when I tried to
>remember how to do the frog I had seen.  However, the frog I am trying to
>recreate definitely had distinct back legs/feet rather than just a pleat,

Sorry I missed some of the threads. Just skip this one if you know the
answer.

I happened to see a jumping frog contest in a local Chinese school
festival. The frog I saw did have back legs. I study the fold by reverse
engingeering. Here is the text instruction:

1. Start from 2x1 rectangle ; Fold two water bomb base on both
   ends; The final shape would be a square consisting of two
   water bomb base

2. Fold two loosen flaps of one water bomb base to the right-
   angled corner of the same water bomb base;

3. Fold the above 2 flaps outward so the edge will align with
   the folded edge formed at step 2;

4. Repeat 2-3 for the other 2 flaps of the other water bomb
   base. The new two flaps on one waterbomb base would be front
   legs; the others would be back legs.

5. Turn model over; You would see a square on top of 4 legs

6. Choose head corner(one right-angled corner of waterbomb
   base); Kite fold (or fold 2 adjacent sides which connected
   to the head corner to the center line).

7. Fold the remaining corner to the center of the square (or
   you can use the back legs as guide); Tuck the 2 flaps,
   formed at step 6, into the pocket of folded right-angled
   corner.

8. Pleat the lower part: Valley line goes along the widest
   sidewise part of the kite fold (or the bottom edge of the
   two flaps from step 6); Mountain line goes parallel and
   above the valley line so the mountain line will meet the
   bottom edge of the frog when pleating is done.

9. Enjoy your jumping!

|------------------------------------------------------\
|  _     Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) <chens@asme.org>     |\
| |_| Folding http://www.erols.com/sychen1/pprfld.html --\





Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 15:58:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: rick@tridelta.com (Rick Bissell)
Subject: Jeff: last words

I am forwarding this message from Jeff Kerwood.
Thanks for everything Jeff, and best of luck to you
and your family.

-- rick
_________________________________________________________________

>Rick:
>
>I think I got kicked off the list and I can't send my "good bye
>origami-l friends" email. Would you please forward this to origami-l for
>me?
>
>Thanks, Jeff.
>
>
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>FROM JEFF KERWOOD.
>
>Another $bill tip story. I'm really just telling you this cause it is my
>first experience and it was good (there is a virgin joke in here
>somewhere about $ and a good 1st time and the shirt off my back but I
>can't think of it (I don't mean any thing derogatory about virgins)). I
>was in a book store buying, what else, an origami book. The cashier saw
>the book and said, *Hey last year I saw a Christmas tree with origami
>all over it - it was really neat*. I happen to have a $T-Shirt in my
>pocket and gave it to him. As I was walking away I heard him call,  *HEY
>JIM COME LOOK AT THIS*. I felt good.
>
>Modulars Why.  Tom already answered this very eloquently. I just want to
>add my thoughts. We are all different. I know a lady who loves to cut up
>vegetables and make soup when she wants to relax, most people would
>think it tedious. For me, I love modulars because doing them absorbs me,
>I think that is the ticket. I do them (except for the assembly) when I
>am, or am wishing I were brain dead. It is the same thing over and over
>so I don't need to think and study diagrams. But I can focus on neatness
>and exactness and fantasize about the final product. For me, that is it
>- a vehicle to escape the mind games of the day - and expectancy, hope
>and wonder about *how the story will end*.
>
>I've only been with you a short while but it is time for me to go. I
>have decided to resign from work to be a full time dad. Since I don't
>have a PC at home (and with 1/2 the household income I am used to a PC
>will be a long time in coming) I'll have to say GOODBYE.  :'-((
>Chattin' with you guys and gals has been a bright spot in my day - you
>will be missed.
>
>Jeff Kerwood
>638 Ravencrest Rd.
>Pittsburgh, PA  15215-1122





Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 16:10:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: 60-degree Sonobe [lots of math!]

Tom "River Mouth" Hull, wrote:

[Details of Sonobe analysis elided...]

Thanks Tom!

+BTW: Any and/or all modular origami nuts out
+there should be inspired by this discussion and
+go try to learn some graph theory!  It's good, clean
+fun.  I can even suggest some good books on graph
+theory, if anyone is interested.

Tom is right about this.  Based on some of the stuff he's written and
on his recommendations, I have done some graph theory readings.

The part of this that I find most amazing is how you can smoosh
polyhedra into planar graphs and learn things from the graphs about the
kinds of (regular) polyhedra you can make!  And there aren't any 3-D
angle measurings or anything, it is just dots and lines on paper, plain and
simple!

-D'gou





Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 17:15:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Steve W. Payne" <swpayne@cast.msstate.edu>
Subject: Lynn Meadows Discovery Day

Hey Everyone,
This is forwarded from the chair of the Discovery Day for the Children's
Center.

Thanks to all of you you responded to our call for assistance for the
Lynn
Meadows Discovery Day on May 10, 1997.  Your offical letters concerning
your
tax-deductible contributions will be mailed on May 11, 1997.

We still have some needs, if anyone can help.  An orgami lover here, on
the
Mississippi Gulf Coast, has offered to come to The Discovery Day to fold
for
2,000 children.  Since this day is to be interactive, the folder will be
doing
a project that the children will be able to do along with him.  I
believe the
piece is the Japanese Water Balloon.  We will need paper for these
children
and the Museum has had difficulty locating a donor.  Of course, all
donations
are tax-deductible as we are a not-for-profit agency.  We also would
love some
more models to give the children the chance to see great art, as well as
other
visitors to the Gulf Coast who will be at the Museum.  We will be
recieving a
great deal of press coverage on Discovery Day and I will be happy to
send that
information out to participants.

We are very excited about having origami at Discovery Day as it is an
art form
that most children in Mississippi do not have the opportunity to
explore.  It
also meets our requirements of combining fun with learning.  The booth
will be
very exciting as we have had a great interactive cd-rom donated that
will also
be used in the museum.

Anone who would like more information on the Lynn Meadows Discovery
Center,
please contact Betsy Grant at 601-897-6039 or visit our web site at
www.cast.msstate.edu/~ellis.

Once, again thanks to all you have helped us.

Debbie Baer
Chair
Lynn Meadows Discovery Day
May 10, 1997

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"Far Better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs,
even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor
spirits
who neither enjoy or suffer much, because they suffer in the
gray twilight that knows not victory or defeat."
_Theodore Roosevelt
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 17:12:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: preaux <preaux@univ-lyon1.fr>
Subject: Re: 60-degree Sonobe [lots of math!]

Daddy-o D'gou wrote:
>
> Tom "River Mouth" Hull, wrote:
>
> [Details of Sonobe analysis elided...]
>
> Thanks Tom!
>
> +BTW: Any and/or all modular origami nuts out
> +there should be inspired by this discussion and
> +go try to learn some graph theory!  It's good, clean
> +fun.  I can even suggest some good books on graph
> +theory, if anyone is interested.
>

I missed the beginning of it but i'm interested too in graph theory.
I'm actually doing a project on tabu search and simulated algorithm and
would like to apply them to this NP complete problem  :

How to find out the ordonnancement of folds when you just have the
square paper with the position of all valley and montain folds.

Don't know if i have been clear enough... I hope so

Does anyone could help or is interested by it ( I could precise the way
to help me).

Cyrille





Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 17:46:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: fold4wet@juno.com (Rosalind F Joyce)
Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Rose

Might I suggest to your customer:  Make a limited number of dressed up
dollar roses as centerpiece to a complete arrangement, giving the rest
of the cash as simpler folds or just in envelope to be spent.  (unless
he doesn't mind the origami being unfolded for elderly person's
expenses)





Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 21:22:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: terryh@lamg.com (Terry Hall)
Subject: Re: Re: ORIGAMI-L list

List administrator,

Can you please tell me what is going on. I just subscribed a week ago after
being off the list for several months due to some foul-up. I have not changed
my e-mail address in 3 years. There are several people on the list that are
being "kicked-off" without knowing why. Is there something wrong with the
system?

Terry Hall





Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 21:45:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: Marty Katz <mandrk@pb.net>
Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Rose

Hi Ros,

Glad to see that you caught the reference to the dollar bill roses. See, you're
famous! Shouldn't you get a cut from the woman who is selling them? Yea, I
know, you're lucky if they even credit you with the design.

Are you planning on coming to Bianca's? I hope you do !

Hope you're doing okay and enjoying your vacation from school.

Rachel





Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 02:09:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: eeeteee <tend2it@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: looking for jumping frog from 2:1 rectangle

I have a dollar bill bug-eyed jumping frog diagramed in the Origami
USA Convention '91 and reprinted in their Making More With Money book.
It is actually a 2:1 rectangle with the additional dollar bill paper
folded inside.  It has four legs, two bulging eyes, and a mouth.  I've
improved the paper spring by rabbit-ear folding the spring flap just
above the rear legs.
--Eric--
=================================================================

   ____/__/__/__/__/__/__/ | "Its all in the reflexes"

      __/         __/        |                   -- Jack Burton

_______/__/      __/         |===================================

    __/         __/          | Eric Tend

 ____/__/__/   __/           | tend2it@ix.netcom.com





Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 11:39:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: fold4wet@juno.com (Rosalind F Joyce)
Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Rose

Yeah, I'd like to know.....for address and other diagrams.
                           Rosalind Joyce





Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 11:39:42 -0300 (ADT)
From: fold4wet@juno.com (Rosalind F Joyce)
Subject: Re: Star Search

If you refer to the two interlocking triangular units of Endla Saar, that
was an OLD favorite of mine from how long ago?  at Lillian's apartment on
West 11th Street.  Nobody had gray hair then.  RosJoyce





Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:18:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: RA Kennedy <kennedra@isdugp.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: new diagrams, printing .GIF files.

> of my site, and in the new GIF diagrams page are new diagrams. Postscript:
> "Santa Claus" by Steven Casey. This is the model that inspired Steve & Megumi
> Biddle's "Father Christmas". GIF: "Simple Sorceror" by Perry Bailey (it's
> actually high-intermediate). Enjoy!

 Can anyone offer me advice on how to print .GIF diagrams? Because my
 printer uses A sized paper, I'm losing the right hand edge of the pages
 which I print from servers providing US sized pages. Is there any software
 on the web to shrink pages to match a particular printer paper size? I'm using
 a rather old laser printer, whose driver is not able to magnify/diminish
 the image. Also I'm getting a mesh of dots all over the print out, which
 I would like to turn off.

 Thank you,

 Richard K.
 (R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:00:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: MrsCalbash@aol.com
Subject: Re: Crane shaped envelope

Hi, Alex

You wrote:
>>Hi There,
          Can anyone help? I just received the following message. I
don't have the book with this model in, if anyone can help please reply
direct to Tom.

Thanks
Alex

_______________________________________________________________________
Dear Alex,

My wife and I have been looking for instructions to make a crane-shaped
envelope origami as found in T. Kawai's book titled _Japan's Creative
Origami_. She has called many, many bookstores and libraries and has not
found a single copy of the book.

We searched the Internet and found that you had a reference to the book.
Would you have a copy? If so, would it be possible for you to email a
copy
of the instructions for the crane-shaped envelope?

Thanks for your help.<<

I have a copy of this book, and would be glad to send the info. to Tom, but I
don't know who he is or what his address is.  If you give me the address,
I'll send it, unless someone else who is better informed (or better located
for speedy delivery) can help out.
Leslie Blanding
Bow, New Hampshire





Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:10:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: rick@tridelta.com (Rick Bissell)
Subject: my wife's complaint

Origami...it seemed like the perfect pastime for me.

Challenging, yet relaxing.  A traditional art-form
with roots going back two thousand years, yet one that
is in the midst of a tremendous surge of innovation.
Inexpensive materials, and little-to-no equipment
required.  No mess to clean up. A lifetime of models
to fold and re-fold, or the opportunity to create my
own.  Portable. Spontaneous.  A terrific way to
delight young and old. What fault could anyone
possibly find with this wonderful craft?

Enter my wife.

She is a wonderful person, supportive, funny,
exciting.  My best friend, my soul-mate.  BUT she has
a complaint!  It's not that I spend too much time
folding.  Not that I spend too much money on books or
paper.  Not my choice of models. Nor my anecdotes
culled from postings on this list, or even the models
scattered through-out the house on shelves, tables,
mantels, on top of the 'fridge, in the closet, etc.

It is the NOISE that bothers her !!!!

"I'm so tired of hearing that crinkling noise!  I can
even hear you downstairs doing it when I've gone up to
bed! Can't you be more quiet?  It sounds like a mouse
is in the pantry!"

ORIGAMI: GREAT FUN IF YOU CAN STAND THE NOISE.

-- Rick Bissell (rick@tridelta.com)
   (guess I'll have to learn wet-folding)

P.S. My children have an interesting hobby:
     unfolding origami models.





Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 15:04:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: Eric Andersen <Eric_Andersen@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: my wife's complaint

At 01:10 PM 4/22/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Origami...it seemed like the perfect pastime for me.
>...
>It is the NOISE that bothers her !!!!

   Hmmm..I have a story like this. A few weeks ago I took the train back
home for spring break. I brought with me two of my new origami books,
_Issei Super Complex Origami_, and Issei Yoshino's t-rex skeleton book (not
sure what the name is, it's in Japanese). I began folding some of the bones
for the skeleton, and the woman sitting in front of me turned around and
snapped at me for making so much noise! She insisted that she was working
on an extremely important project and needed absolute peace and quiet, and
my "paper-crumbling noises" were making her completely unable to concentrate!
   During the course of the train ride, she also silenced a husband and
wife who were talking quietly, and even a girl who was wearing headphones a
few seats away, so I no longer felt so bad about my noisy paperfolding...
   There is justice in the world, though, because at the next stop a woman
with an infant took a seat across the aisle from this woman. Almost
immediately the baby began crying and screaming...that was music to my
ears, and I just started folding away!!!

-Eric  :-P
origami@brown.edu

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
      A                   A
     /|\            \    /|\                  /-\.
    / | \            \\ / | \ /7\          a miniature
   /__|__\            \/__|__\/             Kawahata
   \  |  /             \_/ \_/             stegosaurus
    \ | /             Flapping
     \|/                bird      Eric Andersen | math major
      V                        Brown University | origami@brown.edu
  Bird Base                 http://www.netspace.org/~ema/origami.html





Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 15:07:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: Eric Andersen <Eric_Andersen@brown.edu>
Subject: unfolding origami models...

At 01:10 PM 4/22/97 -0300, you wrote:
>...
>
>P.S. My children have an interesting hobby:
>     unfolding origami models.

I have lots of books on this subject! Although for some odd reason, they
all read backwards...

-Eric  :-P
origami@brown.edu





Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 16:18:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@erols.com>
Subject: Re: new diagrams, printing .GIF files.

RA Kennedy wrote:

>  on the web to shrink pages to match a particular printer paper size? I'm
     using
>  a rather old laser printer, whose driver is not able to magnify/diminish
>  the image. Also I'm getting a mesh of dots all over the print out, which

Didn't you get the gif file from web browsing? Most of the web browser
     (Netscape, IE)
does a good job on scaling gif files. You must have a wrong/incompatible printer
driver.

Could you be more specific on your hardware/software/platforms? And what kind of
laser printer you have? You don't want to get a dos advice if you are a MAC
     user.

Here is the 'FREE' alternative for not using web browser:

[ms-dos]
  Name:     DISPLAY
  Purpose:  Image display and conversion
  FTP:      ftp://ftp.edu.tw/PC/graphics/disp/disp188?.zip

[Win95]
 IrfanView
 http://www.winsite.com/cgi-bin/dload/29/win95/desktop/iview225.zip

[win3.1]
GraphX Viewer 1.51
ftp://ftp.group42.com/pub/gviewer/gv1-51.zip

[MAC]
JPEGView - postcard ware
ftp://guru.med.cornell.edu/pub/jpegview/jpegview32.sit.hqx

[X-Windows]
 ImageMagick
http://www.wizards.dupont.com/cristy/ImageMagick.html

[UNIX]
 pbmplus - Extended Portable Bitmap Toolkit
  FTP:
ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/graphics/graphics/packages/pbmplus/pbmplus10dec91.tar.Z
  ftp://gatekeeper.dec.com/.b/X11-contrib/pbmplus10dec91.tar.Z

Good luck!

|------------------------------------------------------\
|  _     Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) <chens@asme.org>     |\
| |_| Folding http://www.erols.com/sychen1/pprfld.html --\





Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 17:33:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: jtweres@lucent.com
Subject: Re: my wife's complaint

Eric writes:

>   Hmmm..I have a story like this. A few weeks ago I took the train back
> ................ and the woman sitting in front of me turned around and
> snapped at me for making so much noise! She insisted that she was working
> on an extremely important project and needed absolute peace and quiet, and
> my "paper-crumbling noises" were making her completely unable to concentrate!

yeah
    whenever i have an
    "extremely important project and need absolute peace and quite"
    i usually hop on a train

    i'm suprised the woman didn't ask the conductor
    if there was something to done for
    "that clickety-clack noise of the train wheels"

    the baby was sweet revenge

next time i'm folding a cube on a train
i'll try to be "extra" quiet

  /-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-///plieur de papier\\\-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\
 /=-= jack thomas weres                         jtweres@lucent.com =-=\
/=======================\\\================///=========================\
"Let Go and Let Fold"                             "One Crease At A Time"





Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 17:40:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: my wife's complaint

Rick,

Take up Lego blocks as a hobby:
after a couple of weeks of Legos
  clink
    clink
      tinkle
        clink,
she'll be able to sleep through
your origami session even if you
switch to folding sheet metal...

:-)

Valerie





Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 18:38:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Error Condition Re: Re: Star Basket Video and paper source

This is the second time I have been bumped.  Can you tell me why this is
happening.  I have already resubscribed.  Dorigami





Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 22:35:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: pat slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: palmer model in $400 book

Everson, William: THE TARANTELLA ROSE ; (Peter & Donna Thomas)
Everson, William. THE TARANTELLA ROSE: Six Poems. Santa Cruz, 1996.
Quarto, measuring 10? inches tall by 7? inches wide, hand bound by
Donna Thomas in a hand-made muslin paper cover made by Peter Thomas,
designed to replicate the supple durability of limp vellum, with paper
laces threaded through the covers. 38 pages, composed in Intertype
Weiss, with handset Weiss Titling, and printed letterpress on flax
paper handmade by Peter Thomas. Illustrated with seven linoleum cuts
by Donna Thomas. The Edition is limited to 75 numbered copies, each
copy housed in a clamshell portfolio box. In addition, there are seven
copies, lettered A-G, which have been hand colored by Donna
Thomas.Master Origami artist, Chris Palmer has taken a large
rose-colored piece of Peter's handmade paper, and using a folding
system he invented specifically for this book, formed a
three-dimensional paper rose in its center. This rose has been pasted
onto boards in a unique quarter leather binding by the Thomases.
Copies 1; 75 Copies A; G The six poems contained in this book were
originally intended to appear in a 1976 book, Eros and Thanatos to be
hand-printed at Everson's Lime Kiln Press. Due to a number of
problems, the project was abandoned. They are published here for the
first time. US$395.00

Just found the book listing above. If you are interested, the
bookseller is truepenny books (http://www.tdigital.com/truepenny/).

This title definitely sounds like a museum piece. The seven copies
with Chris Palmer's work are still available; at least I assume they
are from the last line of the description. (Quite beyond my book
budget!) Wonder if Palmer was paid for the work?

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 22:58:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: Ronnie White <ronew@mindspring.com>
Subject: Origami for the Connoisseur

Does anyone out there know where I can find a copy of "Origami for the
Connoisseur"?
It's apparently out of print, but I was hoping someone may have seen it at a
used book store.
Ron White
ronew@mindspring.com

"Never underestimate the incredible destructive power of origami"

                                                  Earthworm Jim





Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 03:10:51 -0300 (ADT)
From: Charles Knuffke <knuffke@sirius.com>
Subject: How To Make Origami

If anyone's interested, I was sent an e-mail that the following book is
available in England for 58$US (includes shipping to US).

>Honda, Isao: How To Make Origami
>Small 4to. Fully illustrated with an example of finished
>model attached to back page. Small sample pack of
>Japanese paper at rear. Very good in decorative
>dustwrapper.

I already have a copy of this book, which was copyrighted in 1959. The book
has an introduction by Lillian Oppenheimer, and is really more directed
toward children. In fact a finished model is glued to the pages for each of
the 16 models diagrammed - although several of the models are MIA in my
copy of the book ;-(

If anyone's interested, contact Martin Cooper at:

>Stiltjack Books Limited
>P.O. Box 2552
>Dorchester DT2 0YF
>England
>Tel/Fax: 01300 320941 (from overseas +44 1300 320941)
>E-mail: martin@stiltjack.co.uk
>http://www.stiltjack.co.uk/
>Book dealers specialising in booksearch and 20th Century first editions.
>Directors Martin Cooper, Sue Colbeck.

I've bought from Martin before, and I was very pleased with his service.

Regards,

*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Charles Knuffke       "Amen the Thunderbolt in the Dark Void"
San Francisco, CA                              -Jack Kerouac
mailto://knuffke@sirius.com

Check out the Pacific Coast Origami Conference Website at:
http://www.sirius.com/~knuffke/PCOC.html





Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 04:42:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: harrogag@rmplc.co.uk (john marsh)
Subject: Re: new diagrams, printing .GIF files.

The best program I use is PaintShopPro which is shareware, and available in
lots of places on the WEB.
John Marsh
harrogag@rmplc.co.uk

>> of my site, and in the new GIF diagrams page are new diagrams. Postscript:
>> "Santa Claus" by Steven Casey. This is the model that inspired Steve & Megumi
>> Biddle's "Father Christmas". GIF: "Simple Sorceror" by Perry Bailey (it's
>> actually high-intermediate). Enjoy!
>
> Can anyone offer me advice on how to print .GIF diagrams? Because my
> printer uses A sized paper, I'm losing the right hand edge of the pages
> which I print from servers providing US sized pages. Is there any software
> on the web to shrink pages to match a particular printer paper size? I'm using
> a rather old laser printer, whose driver is not able to magnify/diminish
> the image. Also I'm getting a mesh of dots all over the print out, which
> I would like to turn off.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Richard K.
> (R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 06:30:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: DLister891@aol.com
Subject: Re: How To Make Origami. (Long, as it turned out.)

I haven't had time to contribute to Origami-L recently, what with being
deleted from Origami-L on two occasions in the past month, two visits away
from home, family coming to stay with us, aritcles to be written where I have
promised them and an unusual accumulation of private mail to be answered. But
I'm still here and hope one day to come to the surface again!

But today is St. George's Day - the nearest thing the English have to a
national day; although it is not a public holiday and nobody would dream of
celebrating it. It's even too early in the year to find our national flower,a
rose to wear. It's just that you wake up in the morning and think: It's St.
George's Day - that's nice!".

So I will celebrate it with a short contribution to Origami-L, inspired by
Charles Knuffke's reporting of a copy of Isao Honda's "How to Make Origami"
for sale by Stiltjack Books of Dorchester in England. US$58.00 seems to me
 outrageously expensive for this book.  Fortunately I already have a copy.

I have a great affection for this book. It was only the third book of
paperfolding that I acquired after Maying Soong's "The Art of Chinese Paper
Folding" and Robert Harbin's "Paper Magic" and it was really this book which
opened my eyes to the very different world of  the new Japanese origami. It
was published by different publishers in Britain and the United States, but
in an identical format in 1961. Honda had published several other
paper-backed books anonymously, under the nominal auspices of the "Toto
Origami Club" and the "Asahi Origami Club" in 1958 and 1959. (It is thought
that these clubs never existed and were only a front.) But "How to Make
Origami" was the first issued under Honda's own name.

The Toto and Asahi books and "How to Make Origami" are all in a similar
format, with very colourful pictures drawn as backgrounds to actural folded
models stuck to the pages. One can imagine dozens of little Japanese girls
busy folding models specially for the book. And pretty accurate the folding
is too.

Unlike its predecessors, "How to Make Origami" is a hardbound book and I
think that it is the nicest of the series. The background pictures are better
and wittier; the models chosen are more interesting. I don't think that  I
think this merely because this was the first of Honda's books I acquired. I
believe that in "How to Make Origami" everything comes together to make a
classic book. (Perhaps  fifty-eight dollars isn't too much for it after all!)
I repeatedly come across leading Western folders who say that they began
folding after acquiring a copy of "How to make Origami". I regret that I
haven't made a list of them, and wish I had noted them down.

Among the models included are the simple swan , the paper dart , a box and
the windmill, all of which were known in the West. The classic crane, a
canary and an owl, all form the bird base follow. The there are a cat, a
kangaroo and a fox, all made from two pieces. One of the best models is a
lobster with a crimped tail., but with cuts to separate the claws.

Many of these figures were completely unknown to me. I was still at the stage
where i was vaguely under the impression that there was a fixed number of
paperfolded models to be discovered and when they were listed, the job would
be done.This book finally blew this notion to pieces. It also introduced me
to the developments from the bird base which Unamuno had discovered early in
the 20th Century and Yoshizawa rediscovered and which dominated folding until
the mid 1960s. So, as I say, I have always regarded "How to Make Origami"
with affection.

Even so, my attitude to Honda himself has had to be modified over the years.
It is generally accepted that he copied his ideas from Akira Yoshizawa. In
fact, in 1944, Honda published a book in Japanese under the title of "Origami
Shuko", which had a separate section of models by Yoshizawa clearly
identified  with his name. Among these models Yoshizawa demonstrated for the
first time his two-piece models made from the bird base. (For a reason only
known to himself, Honda insisted that "Origami Shuko" was published in 1941,
but this was not true.)

Honda's books are full of models which, while not being identical with
Yoshizawa's models, clearly use the same techniques and are related to them.
Honda often achieves his figures with the help of cuts, which are not present
in the related Yoshizawa models. Thus Honda's owl is cut, but not Yoshizawa's
very similar owl. Honda's Canary is cut, but not Yoshizawa's similar Pigeon (
See Robert Harbin:Origami !").

Honda issued very few books in Japanese, but  he had about twenty books
published in English in the United States and England. He tended to repeat
his models in book after book, before summarising them all in his magnum
opus, "The World of Origami", published in 1965. (I refer to the hardbacked
edition. The paper-backed edition was abridged.) Undoubtedly, by publishing
his books in English, Honda contributed to the development of Origami in
Western countries. The surge of origami books of Japanese origin by Honda and
other writers undoubtedly prepared the ground in which Lillian Oppenheimer's
Origami Center could take root and flourish. I think that we can give Honda
the credit for this, even if, in the light of history, he must be judged a
collector and a copier rather than an inspired creative artist.

Yoshizawa's own books, beginning with Origami Dokuhon I (first published in
1957)  appeared only in Japanese and circulated in the West only among a few
of the cognoscenti. But in the long run, it has been Yoshizawa and not Honda
who has received the greatest honours This is only just. But let us not
forget Honda and his cheerful, colourful books and the way they introduced
many westerners to origami and prepared the ground for greater things.

Now, I wonder what all that has to so with St. George?

David Lister,

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.com





Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 07:40:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Bateman A. G." <agb@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Crane shaped envelope

Hi All,

Thanks for the replies on the crane shaped envelope.
I think Tom has now secured some diagrams.

Thanks
Alex

--
- Alex Bateman
- MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology
- agb@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk
- Phone: (01223) 402479
- http://www.mrc-cpe.cam.ac.uk/jong/agb/origami.html





Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 07:56:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: Zachary Brown <zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu>
Subject: ANNOUNCE: New model on Underground Origami Site

The Underground Origami Page

http://lynx.dac.neu.edu/home/httpd/z/zbrown/origami/underground

has a new model: The Dirty Bird, an action model of a bird looking for
action. Designed and diagrammed by DOM.

Zack





Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 08:30:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: HOLMES DAVID MARCUS EXC CH <david_marcus.holmes@chbs.mhs.ciba.com>
Subject: Missing messages

Hi everyone,

Seems I was unsubscribed at the beginning of the week.  If anyone still
has most of the messages from Monday onwards could they forward them to
me please?  Just one person though, and only if it doesn't cost you
anything, ie. you can send them from work.

Alternatively, how often are the messages archived?

It seems strange that those of us who want to be a part of the list have
problems staying on it, while the people who actively try to unsubscribe
are unable to.  In my opinion, I think we do have a prankster around.

Dave

--
David M Holmes           |             Novartis, Inc.
david.holmes@bigfoot.com | Views expressed are my own
-------------------------+---------------------------
Dave's Origami - http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2162/





Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:17:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steven Casey <scasey@enternet.com.au>
Subject: Re: my wife's complaint

At 01:10 PM 22/04/97 -0300, you wrote:

>
>It is the NOISE that bothers her !!!!
>
>"I'm so tired of hearing that crinkling noise!  I can
>even hear you downstairs doing it when I've gone up to
>bed! Can't you be more quiet?  It sounds like a mouse
>is in the pantry!"
>
>ORIGAMI: GREAT FUN IF YOU CAN STAND THE NOISE.
>
>-- Rick Bissell (rick@tridelta.com)
>   (guess I'll have to learn wet-folding)

It took me years to perfect my crispy paper technique!!. I was disappointed
when my paper didn't crinkle like Robert Harbins did on the T.V., mind you
things are magnified on television.

Like most sounds our brain filters them out after a while , how many people
notice the sound of their fridge humming or their hard drive grinding away.
Or the clicking of the keyboard as you type....

Steven Casey
scasey@enternet.com.au

Melbourne,Australia





Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:04:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: Maarten van Gelder <M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: Re: Missing messages

m> From:           HOLMES DAVID MARCUS EXC CH <david_marcus.holmes@chbs.mhs.ciba
     .com>
m>
m> Alternatively, how often are the messages archived?

I have two part time jobs. At one of them I maintain the archives. So mostly
I archive the mail during Monday to Wednesday. Except when I have a day off,
as I had last Monday. We had our Origami convention weekend in the
Netherlands.

Maarten van Gelder,           Rekencentrum RuG,  RijksUniversiteit Groningen
M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl                            Nederland





Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:33:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: my wife's complaint

Rick,

At 13.10 22/4/1997 -0300, you wrote:

>ORIGAMI: GREAT FUN IF YOU CAN STAND THE NOISE.
>-- Rick Bissell (rick@tridelta.com)
>   (guess I'll have to learn wet-folding)

Better, let paper aside for a while and devote yourself to tissue napkin
folding. Or buy your wife some ear-sealing wax..... ;-D

>
>P.S. My children have an interesting hobby:
>     unfolding origami models.

... then you refold them, and so on. A truly ecological paper recycling
process ! :)

Roberto





Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:29:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: NO: my wife's complaint

<<stepped on a Lego

Oh yes, every Lego enthusiast knows
the deadly combination of bare feet,
shag rugs, and Lego blocks...

To say nothing of the delightful noise
when you vacuum!

--valerie





Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:03:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: How To Make Origami. (Long, as it turned out.)

David Lister wrote:

<<Now, I wonder what all that has to so with St. George?>>

Well, perhaps "myth debunking" is related to
"dragon slaying" (St. George's forte')
:-)

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:04:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Getting dropped from List

Hi,

I keep a "backup" subscription to origami-L going on an AOL
address, and I noticed a couple of times that AOL seemed to be
having a mail server problem late one night (I don't think it
was scheduled maintenance). When I got back on, the listserver
had kicked me off the list.

Apparently the listserver has a real short fuse when it comes
subscription. This happening a lot with the origami-L, but
apparently not confined to its listserver; it is happening also
on other lists served elsewhere.

Chalk it up to internet growing pains and listserver crankiness.
It is a pain, but I don't see what we can do about it. Moving
to a different listserver would take some doing, and might not
improve the situation much. We could discuss it with the owner
of the list; I believe it would take her permission to move the
list, plus another "volunteer" public-service minded computer
system with a listserver would have to be found, such as a university.

Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 18:29:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: unfolding origami models...

Eric,
At 15.07 22/4/1997 -0300, you wrote:

>>P.S. My children have an interesting hobby:
>>     unfolding origami models.
>
>I have lots of books on this subject! Although for some odd reason, they
>all read backwards...

Not an odd reason. They are probably Japanese..... :-D

Roberto





Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 20:43:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jordi Mas Trullenque <jmas@i3d.es>
Subject: the subtlteis of modular folding

>P.S. Will someone please tell me how to appreciate the subtlteis of modular
folding and precreasing?

OK, I'll show you my best find to date.

Take 6 sheets of 11:6 paper, divide into three lenghtwise, and
accordion-fold:

*******************************************************
*                                                     *
*                                                     *
*                                                     *
*                                                     *
*******************************************************

Precrease this way at 45 degree angles (v valley, m mountain):

************************************A******************
*       vmv                           v      m      v *
*     v  m  v                           v    m    v   *
*   v    m    v                           v  m  v     *
* v      m      v                           vmv       *
******************B************************************

Up to now this is like the module Tom Hull described in digest 606,
(January 24). Tom said:

        > This unit can make any polyhedron with only pentagon and
        hexagon faces, and thus Buckyballs, among other things.  Making
        square or seven+ sided faces is possible, but it causes strain
        on the units and they cease to lock as well.

I've just made it longer. Now, precrease from A to B :

************************************v******************
*       vmv                     v     v      m      v *
*     v  m  v               v           v    m    v   *
*   v    m    v         v                 v  m  v     *
* v      m      v   v                       vmv       *
*****************v*************************************

This new fold, together with the lengthening, allows us to make seven+-,
four-, and three- sided faces (according to Tom, there are several other
ways of adding an extra fold to allow such faces).

Make a tetrahedron with the six pieces -- a pretty uninteresting
tetrahedron will result. But this is not all. Now comes the subtlety.

The pleasure of discovery is far bigger than the
pleasure of following instructions, so I will not spoil the fun by
telling you the next step. I will only give a
hint: The tetrahedron above may be constructed with several sizes of
paper. Why did I choose one so strange as 11:6? Obviously,
because a thinner or fatter tetrahedron does not work so well...
so well for what?

-- Jordi
