




Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 02:08:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: Helena Verrill <helena@mast.queensu.ca>
Subject: Re:  60-degree Sonobe Constructions

Yep, I noticed that about the way to get triangular points,
but hadn't got further than that...guess I'll get to work
on it now.  I hope there are _some_ theorems!
Anyway, great to know it can be done; I won't give up so
soon next time.
Helena





Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 08:16:51 -0300 (ADT)
From: richardd@redac.co.uk (Richard Davies)
Subject: Re: OFTC

>> > When I tracked down a copy last year in England, I eventually bought it
>> > from a company called Biblios.  At the time (June) they said they had 7
>> > copies left.  Here are their details:
>> >
>> >     Biblios, Star Road, Partridge Green, West Sussex, RH13 8LD
>> >     Telephone: 01403 710971
>> >
>> >     Credit cards, or cheques payable to Biblios.
>>
>> That is the distributor that Waterstones are going though. The publisher
>>BTW is
>> Japan Publications.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Rich

Why not contact them directly?  You can purchase directly from them - I
did.

----------------------

Looks like Waterstones is wrong as according to Biblios they can't get them any
     more.

Oh well.

Rich

Richard Davies                Tel:         01684  294161 (ext 328)
Software Engineer             Fax:         01684  299754
Zuken-Redac Ltd                E-Mail:       richardd@redac.co.uk
Tewkesbury. UK                 Home: richard@fionavar.demon.co.uk





Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:11:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: rhudson@netrax.net (Hudson-Robert)
Subject: those insidous paper hackers

I'm more inclined to blame computer glitches than hackers.

Next week on Maury: "When origamists follow the wrong fold"

Rob





Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:16:12 -0300 (ADT)
From: rhudson@netrax.net (Hudson-Robert)
Subject: Alasdair...

Figures you'd come up with something like that :)  'Course, I'm not much
better.  There should be an informal group therapy session at Convention
for the origamically estranged.

Rob





Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 10:02:41 -0300 (ADT)
From: "I.Harrison -Ian Harrison" <I.Harrison@open.ac.uk>
Subject: RE: Unit origami

Hello!
 Jesper wrote about books on Unit Origami.  I have found very few books
that are devoted to modular origami and I shall watch with interest the
replies to this question.  The two books that I use most are "Origami for
the Connoisseur" and Dave Brill's "Brilliant Origami", both of which have
significant sections on modular models.  Otherwise it tends to be just
the odd model here and there.
 I have one Japanese book by Fuse that is devoted to the Platonic
Polyhedra, but I'm afraid that I cannot give you its title!  Save to say
that it is a small sized book.  I see that Fascinating Folds have some
Japanese books that look pronising to me...but, again, their contents are
not clear from their titles.  Origami USA have a number of Japanese books
on their list.  I have had some recommended to me and I shall put up
these titles when I have reference to the list.

     Ian

I.Harrison@open.ac.uk

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From:  origami-l[SMTP:origami-l@nstn.ca]
Sent:  14 April 1997 06:13
To:  Multiple recipients of list
Subject:  Unit origami

I have recently experienced that "Unit Origami - Multidimensional
Transformations" by Tomoko Fuse seems to be out-of-print.
"Sasuga" told me this! I have asked "Fascinating Folds" (through
e-mail) if they had any copies left but they have never replied.
So my situation is this:
1) I want the best book(s) on unit origami. I've heard so much
positive about "Unit Origami" and now I can't get it. Horrible!
2) What now? Any suggestions? Any alternatives to this wonderful
book?
3) Is there a new and better book by T. Fuse on geometrical unit
origami on it's way? Knowing this would ease my pain.

Jesper





Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 10:36:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: mym@lucent.com
Subject: Proud Daddy

Just adding to the origami fun on the list.

I have been showing and teaching my four kids
how to fold since they understood what a piece
of paper was. My oldest, who's now 9 years old
was able to fold the OUSA sail boat since age
3. The other two who are also showing a lot of
promise at ages 5 and 6.

Well today while everyone was waiting for the
school bus to come they were passing the timing
folding paper airplanes and other origami when
my wife noticed the youngest joining in. My wife
asked her what she was doing and the baby (who's
almost 2) said "Or-gami, mommy". I haven't stopped
smiling since this morning.

I think I plan on framing her first model even though
it looks a whole lot more like origomi.

Now if I can only get my wife to start folding too!

Mark





Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 10:53:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU
Subject: RE: Unit origami

Just thought I'd mention that "3D Geometric Origami: Modular Polyhedra"
by Gurkewitz and Arnstein, published by Dover Publications, is all unit
origami and is only $7. It has been well reviewed in BOS and OUSA newsletters
and also reviewed in Mathematics Magazine and Mathematical Reviews.
It has been excerpted in two articles in Computer Graphics and Applications.

Rona





Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 10:53:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Dennis Brannon <brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com>
Subject: RE: OFTC --> Mythological Creatures

>rick@tridelta.com (Rick Bissell) said:
>FYI, last month Dennis Brannon posted that there were 15 copies of
>this book available at the New England Mobile Book Fair in Newton
Highlands,
>Massachusetts, USA.   I'm sad to say that I tried to order
>one last week but they were all gone (he who hesitates...).  Hopefully
>someone knows of another source (Origami USA?)

I was there last Saturday 4/12/97 and they had about 6 copies left of Jay
Ansills'
Mythological Creatures .  But they were hard to spot, since they are on a
bottom shelf among books on ceramics, and its a deep shelf so you had to
squat down to see them.
As you enter the remaindered section, look on the right hand wall about
three shelves in and down near the floor.
Please try them again.  You might get somebody who knows that section,
or they might be able to find it using these directions.

good luck,
dennis

Dennis Brannon
brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com
Littleton, MA, USA





Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:31:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: WTiger553@aol.com
Subject: Re: clowns, lovable and not so

OUCH! :-|





Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:37:41 -0300 (ADT)
From: WTiger553@aol.com
Subject: Re: OFTC --> Mythological Creatures

Well if you want me to I'll try some of the bookshops here,I think I know
where to find one,I'll take a look this weekend.Okay??





Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:32:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: WTiger553@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cat people

Alrighty then!





Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 12:16:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: Brett Askinazi <brett@hagerhinge.com>
Subject: RE: clowns, lovable and not so

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I think most of the problems can be attributed to the individual users =
ISP.  I used to have a crappy service that had mail problems all the =
time.  I would get ditched about 2 or 3 times a month.

Now that I have a better ISP it has only happened once or twice in the =
past year.

-----Original Message-----
From:   Valerie Vann [SMTP:75070.304@compuserve.com]
Sent:   Monday, April 14, 1997 5:44 PM
To:     Multiple recipients of list
Subject:        Re: clowns, lovable and not so

Everybody loves clowns, except maybe the styrofoam ones that
live at the tips of auto radio antennae...  :-)

And speaking of "jokers": I'm beginning to wonder if we don't
have a hacker/prankster (not very funny) who knows how to
forge internet addresses (so that email appears to come from
an address other than the one it actually came from; some
of the mass mailing jerks do this) is randomly unsubscribing
members or setting their addresses to "postone"; or if it
is just the cranky listserver program having the hiccups...

--valerie

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 14:13:43 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Re: 60-degree Sonobe Constructions

Mike Naughton responded to a query from Helena:

   On Thursday, April 3, Helena wrote:

   > But I tried the stellated octahedron last night, and was
   > surprized to find that I could only manage by using all peices
   > identical (no mirror images); so I was thinking about trying
   > to prove that it can't be made from pieces that are not all
   > the same.  Do people already have proofs of things like that?

   and Joseph Wu replied:

   > Tom? Any replies on this? How about Jeannine or Valerie?

   I don't want to speak Tom or Jeannine or Valerie, but I don't think
   there's a proof for this, because I've managed to construct a
   stellated octahedron from 6 "right-handed" and 6 "left-handed"
   modules. I don't want to spoil all the fun, so I won't give away
   the whole secret. However, here are a couple of hints:

   a) Note that you can use one module of each "handedness" to
   construct a triangular point that has one flap hanging off one
   side and a pocket and a flap hanging off another (these are the
   pieces you would use to close in the two-piece tetrahedron).

   b) Note further that these two-piece points have a "handedness"
   of their own. . . .

   Have fun, and I'll be happy to give more details if anyone wants.

The issue of handedness has come up for me with many of my modules.
Proper analysis of the problem requires the application of graph
theory. I have a few observations about it.  Throughout, we are
assuming a "Sonobe-like" unit, where each unit provides two triangular
faces (not necessarily equilateral) that share an edge.

1.  Any polyhedron with all triangular faces has an even number of
faces.  Proof:  Each face has 3 edges, each of which it shares with
exactly one neighboring face.  Thus the number of edges of the
polyhedron is 3/2 times the number of faces.  If it has an odd number
of faces, it would have to have half an edge somewhere!  (Say that
three times fast!)

2.  Any polyhedron with all triangular faces can be dissected into
discrete pieces consisting of two triangles each.  Proof:  Tom,
help me on this one!

3.  The double triangle unit has four "corners", two of which consist
of a single triangle and the other two have two triangles.  Call these
double and single corners.

4.  These corners come together at the vertices of the polyhedron.  If
a vertex has all it corners of the same kind, either single or double,
call it "homogenous".  If a vertex has corners that are both single
and double, called it "mixed".

5.  A mixed vertex requires both left and right handed units.  An
homogenous vertex must be made out of all right handed or all left
handed units.  If all the vertices are homogenous, then all the
modules must have the same handedness.  (I don't actually have a proof
of these last two assertions, though I don't think it would hard to
come up with one.)

Examples:

All the vertices of an icosahedron have 5 triangles, which means they
would have to "mixed" from single triangle and double triangle
corners.  The icosahedron requires both right and left handed modules.

The stella octangula has vertices where 3 triangles meet, and where 8
triangles meet.  The obvious decomposition has 3 single corners at the
"points" and 4 double corners in the "valleys", such that all vertices
are homogenous.  Mike seems to have found a different decomposition
where (at least) some vertices are mixed.

This approach also applies to the analysis of figures with rhombic
faces.

By the way, I have a business card version of a Sonobe-like module,
that is very similar to Helena's module.

        -- Jeannine Mosely





Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:11:01 -0300 (ADT)
From: GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU
Subject: Re: 60-degree Sonobe Constructions

Folks,
    I seem to have missed the original posting about a 60 degree Sonobe
Construction. Would someone please email me the original posting.
    Actually, I have one in my book, it takes 5 right hand modules and
5 left hand modules to make an icosahedron. It also takes one left and
one right to make a tetrahedron.
    There are several versions of these modules around. One by Dr.
Sakoda was published in the FOCA newsletter a few years ago.

Rona





Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:10:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net>
Subject: Re: Alasdair...

Hudson-Robert wrote:
>
> Figures you'd come up with something like that :)  'Course, I'm not much
> better.  There should be an informal group therapy session at Convention
> for the origamically estranged.
>
> Rob
Wow! what a concept can we do it by mail?  been 20 years since the last
group I was part of an I had to start it!

you did say strange didn't you??
--
>From pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net

***************************************
* Your Life is only what you make it. *
* so make it good. :?)'               *





Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:56:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pat Slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: mailing list archive option?

Just found this site on the web:

www.reference.com

that will automatically archive the messages from a mailing list and provide
search facilities. Seems to work great....For example, try searching for
"zoom" on the the page set up for the Nikon mailing list:

http://www.reference.com/cgi-bin/pn/listarch?list=nikon@majordomo.cs.waikato
.ac.nz

Don't think it costs anything to set up. In fact, they have a page for
submitting a new mailing list for them to archive:

http://www.reference.com/cgi-bin/pn/go?choice=mlistsuggestform

I would have just filled the form out, but I started to worry that perhaps I
might step on someone's toes; hence this message to propose the idea.

I myself would like to see the origami list here; although I definitely
appreciate all the labor done by Maarten Van Gelder and Alex Bateman.
Thinking it wouldn't hurt to duplicate the message archives for free. At
least it appears to be a free service!

I wouldn't want to see the current archives disappear actually. This site
won't be able to handle the diagrams and other associated info. And I don't
think there would be any way for reference.com to include past years. Most
importantly, what if the person/company behind this site suddently
disappeared in a few months?

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 16:35:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: Brett Askinazi <brett@hagerhinge.com>
Subject: RE: Solution to interesting problem

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Three SHEEPS of cardboard.  Does that mean I should fold some sheep first ;)

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From:   JESPER LARSEN[SMTP:940094@udd.aalsem.dk]
Sent:   Friday, April 11, 1997 5:41 AM
To:     Multiple recipients of list
Subject:        Solution to interesting problem

You can make an experiment with 3 sheeps of cardboard and then build a square
     shape, a triangle shape
and a cylinder.

Be well
Jesper Larsen

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 17:01:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Re: mailing list archive option?

Pat Slider wrote:

   Just found this site on the web:

   www.reference.com

   that will automatically archive the messages from a mailing list and provide
   search facilities. Seems to work great....For example, try searching for
   "zoom" on the the page set up for the Nikon mailing list:

   http://www.reference.com/cgi-bin/pn/listarch?list=nikon@majordomo.cs.waikato
   .ac.nz

   Don't think it costs anything to set up. In fact, they have a page for
   submitting a new mailing list for them to archive:

   http://www.reference.com/cgi-bin/pn/go?choice=mlistsuggestform

   I would have just filled the form out, but I started to worry that perhaps I
   might step on someone's toes; hence this message to propose the idea.

Beware. This is a COMMERCIAL service.  We would all pay by being
forced to look at advertisements interspersed with our data.  They try
hard to hide this from you, but if you read the FAQ, you will find the
answer to the question "How do I buy advertising space?"

        -- Jeannine Mosely





Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 18:41:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Re; Dollar Bill Shirt Instructions

Joseph Wu, writing about the query and reply to "what is a cupboard fold?":

+And it is an example of what I consider to be an excess of jargon. The other
+notable offender (a worse one, actually), is "ice cream cone base", especially
+since there's already a perfectly good term for it: "kite base".

I find that I must disagree with Joseph.  It is human nature to name common
things, be they objects or processes.  Why else are their so many names for,
oh, say, currency?    Plus the origami variants:
               Money folds
               Money Folding
               Bill folding
               Dollar Bill folding
               $bill folding

I personally like the term "cupboard fold."  Like the term "squash" it
usually defaults to "symmetric," but can be used in other contexts.
Why is the cupboard fold (I know of no other name for it) any less
deserving a name than pleat and crimp, both of which often require
moving two edges which do not always meet or intersect?

The "jargon" I don't care for is "Basic Fold IIa-5" which is so
non-meaningful that you can only memorize it!

-D'gou





Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 18:51:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Tokyo visit: Yoshizawa and Origami Tanteidan (long)

Two weeks ago, give or take a bit, Joseph Wu posted a bunch of trip reports.

I just wanted to publicly thank Joseph for posting them, I enjoyed
reading them very much, even if I don't have anything specific to
question or follow up on.  Silence/no-reply could easily be mistaken
for the more common interpretation of deafening indifference.  So I'm
writing publicly to explain that my (and likely others) silence is not
indifference in this case, but deep appreciation.  Thanks for sharing,
Joseph!

-D'gou





Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 19:35:31 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: a trip to the pleating factory

A friend of mine, who is in the garment design business, took me on a
field-trip with her yesterday to visit a shop in the Boston garment
district where they do custom pleating of fabrics.  It was quite an
interesting visit.

This is probably not how mass produced pleated fabrics are made, but
rather, small lots for more obscure or exclusive designers.  Typically,
the lengths of fabric pleated are just enough for a single garment --
usually a skirt.  The reason is fairly simple.  If you put in pleats,
say, every inch, and a garment had a 26 1/2 inch waist, you'd end up
with half a pleat.  So for each size of garment, the pleats must be
arranged equally spaced across the precise length of fabric required.

The pleating is accomplished by placing the fabric into a special form
and steaming it under high pressure.  Multiple lengths of fabric can
be pleated simultaneously in the same form, the number depending on
the thickness of the fabric.  I watched one worker loading two layers
of fabric into a form.

The forms are made out of special paper by scoring it to have the same
pleats that are desired in the fabric.  This "paper" resembles the
light card stock sold in the US as "oak tag", but is specially treated
with chemicals that prevent it from reverting to pulp in the steamer.
Even so, after a number of uses, the pattern starts to break down and
has to be replaced.

The pattern maker is a skilled individual who knows how to lay out the
creases just so, and score them rapidly and accurately.  This
particular shop uses a special scoring tool that they had custom made
for them.  It consists of a precision ground agate tip embedded in a
wood handle.  The tip is ground to a rounded conical point, with a
radius similar to the end of ball-point pen.  The tip requires
frequent retouching with light sand paper.

After the pattern is made, the springiness of the paper makes it want
to fold up, but it is stretched out on a long table with a weight at
one end.  The fabric is stretched across it and smoothed onto it.  The
weight is removed and the form is allowed to pull up slightly,
creating troughs and the weight is replaced.  The fabric is smoothed
gently into the troughs, and the weight is again lifted to let the
form collapse a little further.  This process is repeated 2-3 times,
and finally the whole thing is allowed the pull up tight with the
fabric nestled inside.  This is then rolled up into a cylinder and
placed in the steamer.

It made me wonder about ways to tessellate the heavy paper, and steam
some of the wonderful patterns of Chris Palmer, Jeremy Shafer and Tom
Hull into cloth.

        -- Jeannine Mosely





Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 21:10:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Re: Alasdair...

Hudson-Robert wrote:
> Figures you'd come up with something like that :)  'Course, I'm not much
> better.  There should be an informal group therapy session at Convention
> for the origamically estranged.
> Rob

"Origami in Therapy", anyone? <g>





Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 21:59:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Tokyo visit: Yoshizawa and Origami Tanteidan (long)

On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Daddy-o D'gou wrote:

=Two weeks ago, give or take a bit, Joseph Wu posted a bunch of trip reports.
=
=I just wanted to publicly thank Joseph for posting them, I enjoyed
=reading them very much, even if I don't have anything specific to
=question or follow up on.  Silence/no-reply could easily be mistaken
=for the more common interpretation of deafening indifference.  So I'm
=writing publicly to explain that my (and likely others) silence is not
=indifference in this case, but deep appreciation.  Thanks for sharing,
=Joseph!

Um...thanks, Doug. 8) Does this mean that I can post the rest of the report?
What was sent so far was the Yoshizawa visit. The rest of the report talks
about my sight-seeing and the Tanteidan visit. It's *MUCH* longer, though!

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 22:02:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: J Armstrong <jcanada@clark.net>
Subject: Re: Toronto_Origami

Steve Nielsen wrote:
>
> This is a reminder of the monthly meeting of the
> Toronto Origami Society,

Can you please tell me when the May meeting is?  I'll be in toronto
visiting family at the end of May, arriving about the 25th.  Will I be
too late?

J





Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 22:15:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Terminology & Jargon (was Re: Re; Dollar Bill Shirt Instructions)

I originally complained about "cupboard door fold" and "ice cream cone base".

On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Daddy-o D'gou wrote:

=I find that I must disagree with Joseph.  It is human nature to name common
=things, be they objects or processes.  Why else are their so many names for,
=oh, say, currency?    Plus the origami variants:
=             Money folds
=             Money Folding
=             Bill folding
=             Dollar Bill folding
=             $bill folding
=
=I personally like the term "cupboard fold."  Like the term "squash" it
=usually defaults to "symmetric," but can be used in other contexts.
=Why is the cupboard fold (I know of no other name for it) any less
=deserving a name than pleat and crimp, both of which often require
=moving two edges which do not always meet or intersect?

True. I guess I should have given the reason for my dislike those two
particular terms. The problem is of having a well-defined set of terms for
communicating what we do. Pleat and crimp are well defined and understood by
most (although I remember a rather well-known paperfolder on this list who had
<grin>). "Cupboard door fold" and "ice cream cone base" are, as far as I can
tell, regional terms created mainly for teaching small children in the USA.
While such terms have already been included in the origami lexicon (e.g. "kite
base" and "blintz fold"), I would like to see us avoid them in preference to
terms that are less culturally explicit. Origami is a world-wide artform
(craftform, if you prefer) after all.

You may say that I'm overreacting (I often do!) and that "cupboard door" and
"ice cream cone" are not all that culturally based. But not all cupboard doors
open the way the "cupboard door fold" does. I'm sure we've all seen cupboards
whose doors all open in the same direction. (And if I'm wrong about that, it
only proves my point that the direction of cupboard door opening is a cultural
issue!) Nor are ice cream cones universal (although they are becoming so with
the spread of Americanism via good old Hollywood). There are problems with
well established terms, too. Not all kites are "kite shaped" in the Western
sense (most Japanese kites are square, for example, and Chinese/Southeast
Asian kites come in all shapes and sizes), and how many people really know
what a blintz is? In fact, one of the trivia questions at the Origami
Tanteidan Convention last summer was "What is the English name of
"zabuton-ori" and what does the name refer to?" ("Zabuton-ori" means "cushion
fold" and is what the Japanese call the blintz fold.) The question was too
hard for them, and the winning answer (it was the closest) was that "blintz is
a type of food".

I've rambled on for long enough. 8)

=The "jargon" I don't care for is "Basic Fold IIa-5" which is so
=non-meaningful that you can only memorize it!

No disagreement on this end!

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 23:19:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: WTiger553@aol.com
Subject: Re: Toronto_Origami

what date??And are kids aloud never mind probably not





Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 23:53:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net>
Subject: Re: Tokyo visit: Yoshizawa and Origami Tanteidan (long)

Joseph Wu wrote:
>
> On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Daddy-o D'gou wrote:
>
> =Two weeks ago, give or take a bit, Joseph Wu posted a bunch of trip reports.
> =
> =I just wanted to publicly thank Joseph for posting them, I enjoyed
> =reading them very much, even if I don't have anything specific to
> =question or follow up on.  Silence/no-reply could easily be mistaken
> =for the more common interpretation of deafening indifference.  So I'm
> =writing publicly to explain that my (and likely others) silence is not
> =indifference in this case, but deep appreciation.  Thanks for sharing,
> =Joseph!
>
> Um...thanks, Doug. 8) Does this mean that I can post the rest of the report?
> What was sent so far was the Yoshizawa visit. The rest of the report talks
> about my sight-seeing and the Tanteidan visit. It's *MUCH* longer, though!
>
>  Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> > It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
> yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
> paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> > Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz
I'd love to read it if its in type and no elde is interested then send
it to me direct.  I still have the copy of the first report I printed it
out to save.
PVB
--
>From pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net

***************************************
* Your Life is only what you make it. *
* so make it good. :?)'               *





Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 01:01:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: Cathy Palmer-Lister <cathypl@generation.net>
Subject: Re: clowns, lovable and not so

 I'm beginning to wonder if we don't
>have a hacker/prankster (not very funny) who knows how to
>forge internet addresses... is randomly unsubscribing
>members or setting their addresses to "postone"; or if it
>is just the cranky listserver program having the hiccups...
>

It does seem to be happening to a lot of us, lately.  I was off the list
twice in a matter of a few days.

                                        Cathy





Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 01:11:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Various

I was recently set on "postpone" so I missed some mail (first time this has
happened to me since I joined in 1994!). I reply to a couple of items here
(I'm digging into the archives):

Apr. 13 - Perry Bailey - paint

In general, I don't like this idea, but let me hasten to add that this is
personal preference. Painting to add details because the design is not good
enough to be recognised without it is an absolute sin (see Hector Rojas' book,
and some of those animal and dinosaur "origami" books with the pre-printed
dinosaur paper for examples). Pre-colouring the paper (e.g. to make it duo
paper, or to put a pattern on one side) is okay in my opinion. But we've
already hashed this topic out previously. 8)

Apr. 14 - Valerie Vann - Re:Origami Jargon

I didn't see this message earlier, Valerie, so I've duplicated some of it in
my subsequent post on this topic. Sorry!

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 02:10:22 -0300 (ADT)
From: Laurie Bisman <lbisman@sirranet.co.nz>
Subject: RE: Various

Yes - I have been sabotaged?! twice in a month. The first time I was just
dropped from the list. No problem, rejoined, and the second, I was still on
the list, not postponed, people were receiving my mail OK - I wasn't
receiving any mail at all and I didn't get a reply from the list manager.

I eventually just removed myself and rejoined immediately. - It is a big
problem though as I am on several other lists as well and sometimes you
don't realise these things have happened until a day or two goes by then
you don't know what you've missed.

Laurie Bisman
lbisman@sirranet.co.nz





Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 05:22:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: "I.Harrison -Ian Harrison" <I.Harrison@open.ac.uk>
Subject: RE: Unit origami

Hello!
 I have become convinced that the best sources of unit origami designs
are going to be books in Japanese and not translated into English,
probably by Tomoko Fuse!  I should welcome some help to sort out such
origami books.  Following my message yesterday I shall write down what I
know and hope that others will add to it!
 I have four small soft-back books in Japanese by Fuse that seem to be
the basis for Unit Origami.  Their ISBN numbers are 4-480-87092-X,
4-480-87093-8, 4-480-87094-6, 4-480-87095-4.
 In addition I have a similarly sized hard-back book , ISBN
4-480-04078-1, also by Fuse.  This contains some coasters, some boxes and
a section on each of the Platonic polyhedra.  I think that this is a
wonderful book (which may be because it was the first that I saw
containing a significant number of geometrical models).

 From the booklist of OUSA I have been recommended, as good books on unit
origami, the following books in Japanese
  Fuse, Boxes Within Boxes, ISBN 4-480-87263-9
  Fuse, Neat Origami Objects, ISBN 4-14-031058-8
  Fuse, New World Origami Book 3, ISBN 4-480-87143-8, and Book 4, ISBN
4-480-87144-6
  Fuse, Wonderful World of Modulars, ISBN 4-405-07553-0
  Fuse, World Unit Origami (designs by others), ISBN 4-416-38826-8
I have not seen any of these books so I should welcome comments!

 Fascinating Folds have some books in Japanese by Fuse, but their ISBN
match up with the titles above.  Again I should welcome comments.
 Even if I knew all about these books there remains the problem of buying
them in England!
  Ian

I.Harrison@Open.ac.uk





Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 06:01:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Maarten van Gelder <M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: Re: mailing list archive option?

Pat,

m> I would have just filled the form out, but I started to worry that perhaps I
m> might step on someone's toes; hence this message to propose the idea.
m>
m> I myself would like to see the origami list here; although I definitely
m> appreciate all the labor done by Maarten Van Gelder and Alex Bateman.
m> Thinking it wouldn't hurt to duplicate the message archives for free. At
m> least it appears to be a free service!

For me there are no problems when archiving the messages on yet another place.
I had a question some years ago about mirroring the archive site (I even
don't know where the mirror is now).

m> I wouldn't want to see the current archives disappear actually. This site
m> won't be able to handle the diagrams and other associated info. And I don't
m> think there would be any way for reference.com to include past years. Most
m> importantly, what if the person/company behind this site suddently
m> disappeared in a few months?

I don't have any plans to disappear, but you may never know ...
So an extra archive should be ok.

Maarten van Gelder,           Rekencentrum RuG,  RijksUniversiteit Groningen
M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl                            Nederland





Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:24:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: rhudson@netrax.net (Hudson-Robert)
Subject: Help: FORE! (female origami request emergency)

Attention members of origami-l list:

This is one of those messages that begins:

"You see, there's this girl, and....."

She's a theatre major, and I'd like to impress her with origami.  Any
ideas, suggestions?

Rob





Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:19:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: rhudson@netrax.net (Hudson-Robert)
Subject: origamically estranged

Let's start an informal mailing list (snail) for the origamically
estranged!  Send me an application with a small submission to prove that
you are disturbed.  We'll figure out all the administrativa later.

The only stipulation to the submission is that it defy the ordinary.
Content which is inappropriate for general discussion is probably ideal.

Send stuff to:

Rob Hudson
2760 Clearview Road
York, PA 17402

Shock me.





Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:05:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: "NIGEL POTTLE, TEACHER LIBRARIAN, JAMES FOWLER SENIOR HIGH"@Owl.nstn.ca
Subject: Re: Tokyo visit: Yoshizawa and Origami Tanteidan (long)

Joseph, I, for one would like more on your origami discoveries and insights.
When I read Doug's message, I thought I had missed further reports, having
so enjoyed the Yoshizawa description. Glad my happy deleting didn't go
that far. It would be great too, if you used a strong subject line.  I have
found myself deleting many messages, because I have less time than I would
like, to read all my email. The Yoshizawa subject line certainly captured
my attention.

Nigel





Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:18:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jean Villemaire <boyer@videotron.ca>
Subject: Origami vendredi

Vendredi, le 18 avril, aura lieu une autre runion d'Origami-Montral. C'est
toujours au CEDA, au 2520 Lionel-Groulx, prs du mtro du mme nom.
Au programme : chacun apporte son papier et tout le monde plie, des projets
pour l'atelier de Pointe-Claire et peut-tre un nouveau modle ?  Le tout
dans l'air pur (?) et frais du printemps.

--------------------------
EN transl.

Friday april 18th, Origami-Montreal is holding another meeting at the usual
CEDA place, 2520, Lionel-Groulx, near the L.G. metro station.  Bring your own
paper and enjoy folding with everybody, we'll be talking also about the
Point-Claire demonstration and maybe will we have another new model...  While
breathing fresh clean (?) spring air.





Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 12:45:34 -0300 (ADT)
From: helena@mast.queensu.ca
Subject: Re: 60-degree Sonobe Constructions

OK, now I have made the stellated octahedron, with 6 left and
6 right handed pieces, and also with 4 right and 8 left.  So
I guess I better ask how many different ways can I make it?
I didn't think these ways were so stable though, they came
apart pretty easily.  I think if I want to avoid that configuaration
of one piece making up three sides of the same vertex, I do need
all the pieces to be the same handedness.  I made a 10 sided shape
with 5 the same and then 2 of one, 3 of the other, I guess there
must be lots of ways put these things together.
What is business card origami?
Thank you for the observations about this.  I'm going to think about
it some more.
Helena





Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:08:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: Unit origami

Jesper Larsen wrote:

>1) I want the best book(s) on unit origami. I've heard so much
>positive about "Unit Origami" and now I can't get it. Horrible!

Since 1988, Tomoko Fuse has attended Italian origami Conventions (Centro
Diffusione Origami) several times. During one of these, we managed to
promote a translation of some of her books into Italian. "Il Castello"
published "Unit Origami" in 1990, under the title "Origami Modulare". Not
English, but possibly easier than Japanese.... :-) Should still be in print,
I think.

>3) Is there a new and better book by T. Fuse on geometrical unit
>origami on it's way?

Tomoko has published a lot more books on this and similar subjects. I can
try and collect a full bibliography to post here.

You may also consider joining the CDO. It stocks a good assortment of books
by Fuse, Momotani, Takahama and others, in addition to Italian monographies
and newsletters. (http://www.essenet.it/cdo)

Roberto





Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:08:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: US-dollar bills

Allen Parry wrote:

>1)  Unlike kami paper....you make a model you don't like...hey, spend
>       it....leave it as a tip.  Recycled origami!
>2)  Hopefully, there is always a ready supply of folding paper near by.
>3) The novelty of it.  Dollar bill origami is very popular.  Its a great
>       entertainment medium without being too pretensious.
>4)  What I enjoy most, though, is there is an added challenge of
>       incorporating the bill's markings into the design.

I agree with all of this. And, still on the issue of "money folding", I can
report on the Italian approach to it.
The cheapest Italian bill is 1000 lire, about 0.625 US$. It's sized 6x11 cm
(near to 1:2), and very well suited for folding. Some years ago Luigi
Leonardi, a well known folder, CDO Treasurer and.... bank employee (!),
produced several 1000 Lire models, and published a book "Come (im)piegare
1000 Lire" (How to employ 1000 lire: it's a word joke based on "impiegare" =
like quoting myself, but it seems to fit this thread nicely:
========================
"The use of banknotes for origami purposes is not a novelty. American
folders, faithful to the motto "money can do anything", put forward this
idea some years ago: notably, an exhibition of money folds from all over the
world was arranged under the sponsorship of important banks ! Classifying
this as "things American" would be but too easy: there are more sides of the
matter to be considered. Any origamist is known to be an experimenter as
well, not missing a chance to try out any kind of paper he/she finds. Bank
bills, by fair chance, are made of special, attractive, resistant paper,
which "keeps" creases nicely and is usually printed with brilliant colours
and markings. As an added bonus they are perfectly squared, readily
available rectangles.... such an ideal stuff. So, one folds bills just for a
technical or practical reason ?
        Not at all ! The true reason is disclosed by the very few books on
this subject: they are all written by origamists - conjurors, and often deal
with "action" models with little surprising tricks like Neale's "Bunny
Bill". Thus, one folds bills (better those of someone else) to perform a
show, to amaze, to socialize. "Lend me 1000 lire, wait and see", and behold
! under the eyes of an astonished spectator, "cheap money" is magically
converted into delightful animals, mushrooms, boats, cars..... This book is
a veritable mine of original projects. Would you like to ingratiate yourself
with your Boss ? Have him loan a 1000 lire bill, convert it into a piglet
and give it back to him: if he does not take it amiss, you career is
guaranteed. Want to conquer the girl of your dreams ? Present her with a
mini-parlour (table and four chairs) made with 1000 lire bills: you make a
brilliant figure at a cheap price ! You may even use 100000 lire bills, it's
a bit more expensive but much so effective.....
        And on the latter issue, this book is also a good incentive to
saving and to cutting superfluous expenses. Whoever will dare to unfold
those little jewels just to put the bill back to its trivial use ? We think
that, in the future, some Ministry could even award Leonardi a prize for
bettering the country's economic balance !
        I end with a warning. While folding these little models you will
appreciate the elegant procedure, ingenuity, effectiveness of the finished
result: but DON'T think, even if for a moment, that the very fact of using
"that" paper might add a single cent to the intrinsinc "value" of the models
! And, if you happen to make some awkward folding mistake, followed by the
usual irresistible impulse to roll the sheet into a ball and throw it into
the litter bin, don't make a scruple about it: after all, it's just a piece
of paper...
===============================

A follow-up to the first book has been published.

Roberto





Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:48:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: RA Kennedy <kennedra@isdugp.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: I've got some questions...

> 2. Is it possible to get diagrams for a klingon bird of prey? I remember
> someone told me that it was done b4.

I think it was Dee Lynch who was offering diagrams of the above. You might
try searching the archives (through Alex Bateman's web page) for contact
information. I think Dee has left origami-l

> 3. ...and a grand piano and violin?

There is a Baby Grand by Patricia Crawford. Diagrams appear in Harbin's
Origami 4. Another set are (I believe) held in the BOS library. I think
there was a violin in one of the past OUSA convention packs.

> 4. Last question... How about star wars models? I would LOVE to see models
> of Star Wars in paper.

Larry Hart and Asghar Malik (hope I spelled that correctly!) of the BOS are
working on Star Wars models. They showed a TI (spelling?) fighter at the
most recent BOS convention - not yet diagrammed, appearance to be improved.

Bye

Richard K.
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:49:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: Ian Shipley <ian.j.shipley@stud.man.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Help: FORE! (female origami request emergency)

----------
> From: Hudson-Robert <rhudson@netrax.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject: Help: FORE! (female origami request emergency)
> Date: 16 April 1997 13:24
>
> Attention members of origami-l list:
>
> This is one of those messages that begins:
>
> "You see, there's this girl, and....."
>
>
> She's a theatre major, and I'd like to impress her with origami.  Any
> ideas, suggestions?
>
> Rob

Just try plain and simple flowers...I've impressed three girls with them so
far.

Ian.





Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:21:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kim Best <kim.best@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: Help: FORE! (female origami request emergency)

Hudson-Robert wrote:

> She's a theatre major, and I'd like to impress her with origami.  Any
> ideas, suggestions?

Ask her what her favorite animal is, then superise her with a model of
it.

Also Engel's "Valentine heart with arrow" and Marc Kirshenbaum's
"Fluffy"(Teddy Bear), are instant hits with the ladies.

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 18:19:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kim Best <kim.best@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: origamically estranged

Hudson-Robert wrote:
>
> Let's start an informal mailing list (snail) for the origamically
> estranged!  Send me an application with a small submission to prove that you
     are disturbed.
>
> Shock me.

Also remember there is some pretty deranged stuff on  Zack Browns
Origami Underground:
http://lynx.neu.edu/home/httpd/z/zbrown/origami/underground/

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 18:49:51 -0300 (ADT)
From: Cathy Palmer-Lister <cathypl@generation.net>
Subject: Re: Help: FORE! (female origami request emergency)

At 09:24 AM 4/16/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Attention members of origami-l list:
>
>This is one of those messages that begins:
>
>"You see, there's this girl, and....."
>
>
>She's a theatre major, and I'd like to impress her with origami.  Any
>ideas, suggestions?
>
>Rob
>
Roses!  Always works.........

                                Cathy





Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 19:18:51 -0300 (ADT)
From: Cathy Palmer-Lister <cathypl@generation.net>
Subject: Re: I've got some questions...

At 03:49 PM 4/16/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>> 2. Is it possible to get diagrams for a klingon bird of prey? I remember
>> someone told me that it was done b4.

I have folded a BoP.  I simplified one of Montroll's dinosaurs, the
pterodactylus, on page 47 of Prehistoric Origami.  If I remember correctly,
I skipped steps 24-37, 46, put little reverse folds on the wingtips to make
the disruptors.  I never quite get it the same way twice because I cannot
read my notes!

                                                Cathy





Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 21:18:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: Ronnie White <ronew@mindspring.com>
Subject: Origami on TV

Michael LaFosse will be on QVC tomorrow 17 April sometime during the 2:00pm
hour EST. They cannot give exact times as this will be live TV.
They will be selling a QVC revised edition of his video "Origami Square
One". Tune in and see a Master Folder and all around good guy.
Ron White
ronew@mindspring.com

"Never underestimate the incredible destructive power of origami"

                                                  Earthworm Jim





Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 22:13:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Tokyo visit: Yoshizawa and Origami Tanteidan (long)

On Wed, 16 Apr 1997 NIGEL POTTLE, TEACHER LIBRARIAN, JAMES FOWLER SENIOR
     HIGH@Owl.nstn.ca wrote:

=Joseph, I, for one would like more on your origami discoveries and insights.
=When I read Doug's message, I thought I had missed further reports, having
=so enjoyed the Yoshizawa description. Glad my happy deleting didn't go
=that far. It would be great too, if you used a strong subject line.  I have
=found myself deleting many messages, because I have less time than I would
=like, to read all my email. The Yoshizawa subject line certainly captured
=my attention.

Okay, then. My next message will contain the Origami Tanteidan report. Be
warned that there is a bunch of sight-seeing stuff thrown in to this one. As
for subject lines, I always try to make sure that my subject lines are
relavent. Sometimes I forget, though. 8)

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 22:45:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: Dale Liikala <lmtn@ncweb.com>
Subject: "Star Search"

Hello One and All!
I am looking for origami star diagrams for a project which will be used
with people of all ages and abilities.  What is your favorite STAR and
where can the diagrams be found?  I would appreciate any input you might
care to offer.  (Thanks to Alex Bateman for info. already forwarded to
me).  THANK YOU one and all in advance.  Shine on!
 Amy               lmtn@ncweb.com
