




Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 10:31:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mike and Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: The Origami Source (OUSA)

Marc Kirschenbaum wrote:
> I wish I could be more informative, but I forgot to take down the fax #
> while I was at the Origami USA office tonight.

I have their fax number listed as (212) 769-5668.

Janet Hamilton

--
mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/





Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 12:07:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: Re: US-dollar bills

>
>>. By the way: I think a money bill is beautiful and interesting -
>>  why fold something from a money bill (and "destroy" it) when
>>  you can get hold on so much beautiful paper?
>> Is it because money paper is strong or what? Apparently I need some
>> information about this subject from a passionated money bill folder!!!

One reason that non-folders are attracted to dollar bill models is that they
know what the original flat paper looks like - which means they start to
think about how to get it into the folded shape.

Other origami, it seems to me, is often dismissed by non-folders because
they have no idea of the process.  Telling them that it is a single (square)
sheet of paper with no cuts or glue doesn't necessarily mean much to folks
who haven't tried it.

Aside from "it's money!" and "can you do that?" (legal issues), a dollar
bill is familiar, has recognizable features which show up on the finished
model, and is worth something!  The implication here is that the folding
process must be something if it is to make a person fold spendable paper.

Carol Hall
chall@scsn.net





Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 13:43:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: Rodney Fetveit <rodster@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: Origami Publishing (was:Re: Tuyen)

Daddy-o D'gou wrote:

> But, getting into Barnes and Noble would probably require a volume
> beyound what OUSA is currently set up to handle.

I live right next door to a Barnes and Noble, so that would be very
convienent. I was wondering besides major book stores, where are the
best places to pick up origami books and supplies?





Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 14:15:42 -0300 (ADT)
From: VVOrigami@aol.com
Subject: Re: ORIGAMI FANTASY

If you are getting mail from "origami-l@nstn.ca" about origami,
then you are on an automated "internet mailing list", a common
internet faciltiy similar to newsgroups. In order for this to happen
either you subscribed yourself to this list, or someone else with
access to your email address subscribed you, or someone who
knows how to falsify internet email addresses subscribed you.

Sending messages addressed to "origami-l@nstn.ca" will NOT
get you off the mail list; it will only send your message to everyone
else on the list. To "unsubscribe" or get off the list, you must send
the message to the listeserver, which is an automatic computer
program (not a person). Send a message that says:

unsubscribe origami-L

Send it from the address at which you are getting the mail and address
it to:

listserv@nstn.ca

If that doesn't work, send the same to:

listmngr@nstn.ca

It may take several days to take effect.





Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 14:28:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: Rodney Fetveit <rodster@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: Re; Dollar Bill Shirt Instructions

Marty Katz wrote:

>   5. Cupboard fold the long edges.

explanation of a cupboard fold??

thanx
Rodney





Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 14:41:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: Rodney Fetveit <rodster@erinet.com>
Subject: Re: (NO) Cat People

Maldon7929@aol.com wrote:
>
> >This is not about origami - it's about cats, but origami people love
> >cats - don't they? Anyway - some of you has been talking about this
> >subject lately. This text relates to the old "psychological profile"
> >topic (originally started by me).
>
> Excuse me but my back is arching. Please put "NO" for non-origami in your
> subject line or move this discussion to the Kitty Connection.
> Thank you,
> Maldon
>
> P.S. Any subsequent catty flames will be doused with my delete button.

It was to my understanding that this was a board for likers of origami
to discuss likes and dislikes. Everyone has their own opinion and if you
don't like the certain topic just don't read it. Others may want to know
the ratio of origami-cat lovers to origami-dog lovers, and I think this
is a fine place to post it!





Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 15:39:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: Re; Dollar Bill Shirt Instructions

At 02:28 PM 4/12/97 -0300, Rodney Fetveit <rodster@erinet.com> wrote:
>Marty Katz wrote:
>
>>   5. Cupboard fold the long edges.
>
>explanation of a cupboard fold??

This is the equivalent of saying, "fold the side edges to the center crease."

Marc





Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 16:20:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Origami Publishing

Tom Hull wrote:

<< I am very curious about what this book looks like in Russian.  I
am especially curious to know how they translated things like,
"Funky Swan", "Kiss me, I'm origamish", and "Da Wabbit Wewised".
>>

Bless you Tom, you made may day! I sitting here with the hiccups
from laughing so hard at the thought of some poor translator
(probably someone used to working on boring manuals on tank
repair, or de-commissioning nuclear powerplants or such) trying
to cope with Tom's hysterical and profoundly idiomatic text...

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 16:20:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Web access to origami-l archive

I have a link to the origami-L archive site on my web pages
as follows:

fttp://ftp.rug.nl/origami/welcome.html

A recent vistor told me she was unable to connect to the
archive site using my link, and I tried it myself this morning.
I got an error message. I then tried several variations, and
could only access the top level or main page of the RUG web
site. Neither fttp:// nor http:// worked, though formerly I believe
either would.

Using regular FTP however, I got in as usual no problem. I did
notice that the "welcome.html" file in the origami directory
reports that it is a "symbolic link". Is Web access to the archives
no longer allowed?

Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com

Is the archive no longer accessible from the Web





Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 16:19:31 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: An interesting problem

If corrugated cardboard is meant, some very strong
structures can be built, though I don't know about
holding 1000 pounds. I recall seeing years ago some
photos of furniture built entirely of corrugated
cardboard, glued into muliple layers.

This kind of exercise is fairly common in engineering
and architecture schools; the local (California)
variation for engineering students is designing a
package that will allow an egg to survive a multi
story drop (I forget how tall the engineering building
is, maybe 5 stories); in architecture, we had to build
bridges and/or domes that would carry the maximum number
of bricks (paper, thread and some kind of small sticks
were provided).

However, besides not knowing the constraints of this
student's assignment (i.e. whether glue is permitted,
whether there are any dimensional requirement, etc.),
I'd be willing to bet that the MAJOR constraint/requirement
of this project is that the student figure it out on
his/her own.

Otherwise, all that will be learned is how
to beat the system, or how to get help off the Internet;
both useful skills, to be sure, but probably not what
was intended when the project was assigned.

:-)

Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 16:30:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: An apology (was: ORIGAMI FANTASY)

It appears we have/had a pranster accessing the origami-L.

On Apr. 12, a message was sent to the list under the
Origami Fantasy subject heading. The text of the message is
one I sent from one of my AOL addresses to someone who had
posted a semi-offensive message to the entire list about
getting off the list.

The interesting thing is that I sent this message to the
complaining person a few weeks ago, (not 4/12) and I was especially
careful to see that it was addressed only to that person and
not to the origami-l list in general.

I apologize to the list for the "clutter".

Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 18:26:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: Eric Andersen <Eric_Andersen@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Web access to origami-l archive

At 04:20 PM 4/12/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I have a link to the origami-L archive site on my web pages
>as follows:
>
>fttp://ftp.rug.nl/origami/welcome.html
>

Actually it should be "ftp://", not "fttp://". Both "ftp:" and "http:"
should be understood by most browsers as file transfer and hypertext
transfer protocol, but "fttp:" will not be understood.

Also, it seems that the main page is not welcome.html but index.html, so
the URL is:

ftp://rugcis.rug.nl/origami/index.htm

I just tried it, and it worked fine. Also, the internal links back to the
main page are set to this URL, so it's probably correct.

-Eric  :-P
origami@brown.edu

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Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 18:46:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mike and Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Origami Publishing (was:Re: Tuyen)

Rodney Fetveit wrote:
> I was wondering besides major book stores, where are the
> best places to pick up origami books and supplies?

Check out my web page of origami sources:

http://www.concentric.net/~mikeinnj/orisrc.shtml

Janet Hamilton

--
mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/





Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 20:47:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: Marcia Mau <marcia.mau@pressroom.com>
Subject: Paper Crimper

I found a paper crimper yesterday at MJDesigns for $9.99.  It is similar to
the ones used in the Monday greeting card worshop at the OUSA convention
last year. It works like a hand cranked  pasta machine and is also useful
for squeezing the toothpaste out of tubes.
Marcia Mau
Vienna, VA USA
marcia.mau@pressroom.com





Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 21:27:51 -0300 (ADT)
From: fold4wet@juno.com (Rosalind F Joyce)
Subject: Re: Duo-Color Wet-Folding Paper?

That depends on what  you plan to fold.  I bought textured double sided
Thai paper for a couple of projects.  Fadeless has (had?) duo that wet
folded nicely.  Some leatherettes' dyes come out on the underside,
suggesting "contrasting color."  They can also dye your hands.  For a
real wet folding adventure, I bond weird stuff together, too.
RosJoyce





Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 00:08:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Re:  Creating eps or pdf files from any application

     Problem:  In creating pdf files of my line drawing done with Canvas, I
have been using only single pages without any difficulty.  When I tried to
create eps files for a four page series of drawings, I found that the
Acrobat Distiller which converted the pages to pdf files treated them all
as a single page of four drawings squeezed into a single page.  Then when I
tried to read it with Acrobat Reader or Acrobat Exchange I was confronted
with a long string of drawings which could not be printed conveniently as a
series of single pages.
      PSPrinter:  I looked into the documentation in the Help Folder in the
Acrobat 3.0 CD that I had purchased and found references to different
topics, including the Distiller.  It appeared that there was a solution to
this problem, which was to download PSPrinter from the same CD and get the
printer driver into the Chooser window where a choice is made for the
printer to be used.  After a few false starts (careful reading of the
instructions was necessary) I was able to choose the PSPrinter driver and
set up the PSPrinter PPD for use.  All of this was on the Macintosh but is
possible for IBM machines also.
     Print or File Options:  I went back to Canvas, opened the file of four
drawings, and called for printing of all four pages.  In the dialogue box
for printing there appeared the usual specifications for options to print,
but in addition it provided space for choosing Print or File or Pdf.
Choosing Print resulted in a Print button to be pressed to start printing
the four pages.  Choosing File resulted in a Save button, which led to
saving the eps file of the four separate pages.  The name of the file had
.ps attached to it on the end.  This file could be read by Acrobat
Distiller, and viewed and printed out as separate pages.
     Pdf Option:  The pdf option led to calling the Distiller and the
storage of a pdf version, which avoided the storage of an eps version which
is much larger.  An option to view could be added which called Acrobat
Exchange to present the pdf version on the screen.  This could then be
printed out if one desired.
     Any Application:  An additional advantage of using PSPrinter is that
any application, even those which is not capable of storing files in eps
can store an eps or pdf version by using PS Printer.  The pdf version still
requires one to have the Distiller.
     James M. Sakoda





Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 14:56:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: helena@mast.queensu.ca
Subject: Re: Thirds (was Re: Thanks)

I just wanted to say I really liked your parallel lines way of
folding paper into three too.
At first, I thought the "mathematical" way of getting thirds,
by folding various lines that intersect, was better, cos you don't
need any extra stuff, and it should give acurate divisions; but when
I was folding about 60 pentagons the other day, (to make 5 or so
dodecahedrons; which I can link together in a nice way; shows how
close arctan((1+5^(1/2))/2) is to 60 degrees nicely...)...anyway,
when I was folding a lot of them, you method is far nicer;
(and not just for speed and accuracy, also it's good it doesn't leave
extra creases.)  can I put that method on my web site with my instructions
for the pentagon?
Helena





Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 16:50:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: David Mitchell (Proteus Units), Ian Harrison

I've been corresponding with Ian Harrison about modular
origami, particularly geodesics, for a couple of months
(Photos of Ian's are on the Delphi section of my web
pages), and he has just written me a note about some
interesting developments at the recent BOS meeting. We
had previously discussed David Mitchell's Proteus model,
which is pictured in the Jackson Encyclopedia; Ian and
I have both reverse engineered this module from the photo.
(There are photos of my three variations on the Jackson
Encylopedia section of my AOL web pages):

Ian writes:

<< David Mitchell has just had published, by Tarquin, a book about
<< geometric origami, mostly modular, aimed at schools.  He had an advance
<< copy at the convention and it looks a lovely book (very cheap, even over
<< here).  Its very close to the book that I wanted when I returned to
<< origami a few years ago, looking for resources to supplement my teaching,
<< but it concentrates on models made from A4 paper.

I haven't tackled the web yet to determine availability of Mitchell's
book in the USA. (Pat Slider will probably scoop me on this, being able
to ferret out info about books with amazing diligence :-)

Anyway: this sounds like something every modular origami nut will
HAVE to have!

Ian is also now a council member of BOS, hopes to attend the OUSA
convention this year, and is in the early stages of developing his
own web site, with an emphasis on modular/geometric origami and
math teaching.

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com
valerivann@aol.com
http://users.aol.com/valerivann/index.html
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/valerie_vann
http://people.delphi.com/vvann/index.html





Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 16:49:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Origami-L archive Web access

Eric_Andersen wrote:

<<Actually it should be "ftp://", not "fttp://".

fttp: was a typo in my mail message; the URL/link I was using
did say ftp: (I use an HTML editor, which knows about stuff like that:-)

<<Also, it seems that the main page is not welcome.html but index.html

A direct link to the Welcome.html used to work; in fact I tested the
link on my page when I first wrote it months ago, and in fact it did
work using plain old FTP quite recently.

<< The URL is: ftp://rugcis.rug.nl/origami/index.htm

or http://rugcis  etc.

Anyway, the above DOES work, and I'm fixing my links as soon as
I next edit the pages.

Thanks, Eric.

Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 20:44:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net>
Subject: paint

I live in an area where the only way to get kami paper is mail order and
then only smallers sizes, 6" and under, so I have had to use what I
could get for the more complex models.  As this tends to leave fairly
plain models I have found using models paints, to give them color, not
onlys improves thier looks, but is in its self an entertaining past
time.  By this I don't mean that I do any detail painting of features,
just to add color and life.
Am I the only one or do others also paint some figures?
PVB
--
>From pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net

***************************************
* Your Life is only what you make it. *
* so make it good. :?)'               *





Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 20:58:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: Richard of Foong <ryf@ecr.mu.oz.au>
Subject: Re: Cat people

On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, JESPER LARSEN wrote:

> This is not about origami - it's about cats, but origami people love
> cats - don't they? Anyway - some of you has been talking about this
> ....

Hmm, I like dogs better, so I don't think that statement is actually true.
:(

Richard





Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 21:23:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Re; Dollar Bill Shirt Instructions

On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Marc Kirschenbaum wrote:

=>>   5. Cupboard fold the long edges.
=>
=>explanation of a cupboard fold??
=
=This is the equivalent of saying, "fold the side edges to the center crease."

And it is an example of what I consider to be an excess of jargon. The other
notable offender (a worse one, actually), is "ice cream cone base", especially
since there's already a perfectly good term for it: "kite base".

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 21:27:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: [NO] Staying on topic (was Re: (NO) Cat People)

On Sat, 12 Apr 1997, Rodney Fetveit wrote:

=> P.S. Any subsequent catty flames will be doused with my delete button.
=
=It was to my understanding that this was a board for likers of origami
=to discuss likes and dislikes. Everyone has their own opinion and if you
=don't like the certain topic just don't read it. Others may want to know
=the ratio of origami-cat lovers to origami-dog lovers, and I think this
=is a fine place to post it!

No, this list is for the discussion of origami. While we do go off-topic
sometimes, there is a general consensus that staying on topic is a good thing
and such reminders will appear from time to time.

You suggestion to ignore topics that they're not interested in would work if
people changed the subject lines to reflect the topic at hand, but often a
discussion that has drifted way beyond the original topic will still have the
same subject line because people simply hit the "reply" button and ignore the
subject. Also, some people are on systems that charge per e-mail received (or
for disk space consumed by e-mail), so irrelavent e-mails cost them money.

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 22:26:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: WTiger553@aol.com
Subject: Re: Thirds (was Re: Thanks)

Sure,I would be honered!





Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 22:31:31 -0300 (ADT)
From: WTiger553@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cat people

Actually I like dogs better too so don't feel alone!





Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 23:13:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Yoshizawa book "Origami: Living Nature"

On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Daddy-o D'gou wrote:

=Yoshizawa/ORIGAMI: LIVING NATURE: This beautiful new book by the
=grandmaster has been long awaited and was well worth the wait.  Many
=photos, some in color.  198 pp. Paperback   Intermediate to complex
=B20-340  $55.00
=
=Has anyone seen this book yet?  I can't imagine a Yoshizawa book that
=wouldn't be worth getting, but without publication info... I'd just as
=soon not get a duplicate at $55 a pop!

This sounds like it might be a mis-translation of "Inochi Yutaka na Origami"
which Sasuga calls "A Compilation of Masterworks by Yoshizawa Akira". "Inochi"
means "life" and "yutaka na" means "abundant, plentiful, rich". The price is
about the same as what Sasuga is asking, and the page count matches, too.

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 23:25:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Modernism

     Book Review:  In New York Times for April 10, 1997 there was a review
of a book by Norman Brosterman titled "Inventing Kindergarten" (Harry N.
Abrams $38.95), whose thesis was that modern art may have been influenced
by childhood experiences with kindergarten blocks.  He mentions educational
building blocks designed by Friedrich Froebel, who coined the term
"kindergaartgen" in the 1830's.  In some cases, 5 year olds appear to work
like modern abstractionists.
     R. Buckminster Fuller traced his grasp of triangles to kindergarten .
Other resemblances to childhood experiences are found in Mondrian's
painting of red, yiellow and black lines and Frank Lloyd Wright's Robie
House of 1906.
     There was no mention of origami or paperfolding, even though as
Froebel used them they were quite geometric in form.  My work in origami
comes as close as possible to being geometrical in form as any folder's,
but I cannot recall any particular experiences with blocks, which led me in
this direction.  I am not at all orderly about the way I go about doing
things, such as wrapping packages.  My broher in law who comes from an
engineering background is much more careful and thorough about such things
as wrapping a package.
     If you have a preference for geometrical arrangements in your origami,
can you attribute any of it to childhood experiences?   James M. Sakoda

      email:  James_Sakoda@brown.edu
     pdf origami drawings:   http://idt.net/~kittyv





Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 00:29:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Origami Jargon

<<cupboard fold = fold the side edges to the center crease

I'm not big on origami jargon; either. Living in an area
where blinzes were fairly exotic, I hadn't a clue what a
blinz fold was when I first heard it. On the other hand,
"cupboard fold" is quite graphic, and a lot shorter than
"fold the side edges to the center crease" and
"kite fold" is both shorter and more graphic to me than
"ice cream cone" (most ice cream cones here have stubby cones
with flat bottoms...)

Personally, I never mind if a diagrammer errs in the direction
of re-hashing all the folds of a kite base or whatever. I do
it myself, because though sometimes what I want to diagram is
the geometric equivalent of a kite base, there is a particular
folding sequence that works best for the particular model.

(Have you ever noticed how may ways there are to start the
classic crane? Some that work best for "air folding" or folding
in the hand without a hard flat surface, as I understand is
Grand Master Yoshizawa's perferred technique..)

I really hate having to dig out a reference work on the 24 "basic"
preliminary folds every time some diagrammer does Step One as:

"Start with the Dachshund variation of John Montroll's Dog Base",

or worse (this is for Joseph :-),

"Start with Tuyen's VIIIth basic form from Classic Origami.."

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 02:12:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: Laurie Bisman <lbisman@sirranet.co.nz>
Subject: Anyone there...

No mail for a couple of days... is anyone out there?

(actually, ignore this - I just want to see if it bounces back to me)

Laurie Bisman
lbisman@sirranet.co.nz





Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 03:53:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Sergei Y. Afonkin" <sergei@origami.nit.spb.su>
Subject: Two questions from Russia...

     Dear friends!

   First question:

   I found   nice  German  book  that  tells  how  to  make
different patterns with a string  and  hands  (for  example
well-known "Cat's cradle").  The title is: "Das Hexenspiel.
Finger-Fadenspiele neu entdeckt", Du Mont, Koln, 1980.
   Unfortunately I  can't  read  German.  May  be  there is
Englsh translation?  Bibliographie  tells  also  about  the
followng books:

   - Abraham R.M.  Knots and String Games.  In:  Tricks and
Amusements with Coins,  Cards,  String,  Paper and Matches.
Dover Publ. Inc., N.Y. 1964.
   - Ball W.R.  Fun with String Figures.  Dover Publ. Inc.,
N.Y. 1971.
   - Haddon K. String Games for Beginners. John Adams Toys,
Wargrave, 1976.
   - Jayne C.F.  String Figures and How to Make Them. Dover
Publ. Inc., N.Y., 1971.
   - Leeming J.  Fun with String.  Dover Publ.  Inc.,  N.Y.
1974.

   May be  somebody  could  help  me  to  find one of these
books? As far as I know there is no such books  at  all  in
Russian!

   Second question:

   Does anybody know the address of Rae Cooker,  the author
of model of Srawberry? I have seen the model in Origami USA
magazine.

Your Sergei Afonkin, the chairman of St.Petersburg Origami Center
sergei@origami.nit.spb.su





Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 04:13:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: JESPER LARSEN <940094@udd.aalsem.dk>
Subject: More about whiskers (NOT ORIGAMI)

Rodney Fetveit wrote this as a response to the "sour pussy" comment
regarding my "Cat people" subject.

It was to my understanding that this was a board for likers of origami
to discuss likes and dislikes. Everyone has their own opinion and if
you don't like the certain topic just don't read it. Others may want
to know the ratio of origami-cat lovers to origami-dog lovers, and I
think this is a fine place to post it!

THANKS! I needed that. Personally I think it was interesting and
relevant and that's why I posted it in the first place.

Jesper





Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 05:19:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: Maarten van Gelder <M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: Re: Origami-L archive Web access

m> <<Also, it seems that the main page is not welcome.html but index.html
m>
m> A direct link to the Welcome.html used to work; in fact I tested the
m> link on my page when I first wrote it months ago, and in fact it did
m> work using plain old FTP quite recently.
m>
m> << The URL is: ftp://rugcis.rug.nl/origami/index.htm
m>
m> or http://rugcis  etc.
m>
m> Anyway, the above DOES work, and I'm fixing my links as soon as
m> I next edit the pages.

My apologies for the problems you had.
I recently changed an automat that generates the HTML menus.
That files are  now on index.htm in each directory.

The URL mentioned above does work, but you'd better change it to:

   http://www.rug.nl/rugcis/rc/ftp/origami/

Other aliases for the archives computer do work, but may vanish in the future.
And as this server gives you the index.htm file automatically when asking for
a directory, this will work OK.

Maarten van Gelder,           Rekencentrum RuG,  RijksUniversiteit Groningen
M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl                            Nederland





Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 06:13:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: JESPER LARSEN <940094@udd.aalsem.dk>
Subject: Unit origami

I have recently experienced that "Unit Origami - Multidimensional
Transformations" by Tomoko Fuse seems to be out-of-print.
"Sasuga" told me this! I have asked "Fascinating Folds" (through
e-mail) if they had any copies left but they have never replied.
So my situation is this:
1) I want the best book(s) on unit origami. I've heard so much
positive about "Unit Origami" and now I can't get it. Horrible!
2) What now? Any suggestions? Any alternatives to this wonderful
book?
3) Is there a new and better book by T. Fuse on geometrical unit
origami on it's way? Knowing this would ease my pain.

Jesper





Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 06:17:34 -0300 (ADT)
From: Laurie Bisman <lbisman@sirranet.co.nz>
Subject: Anyone there?

OK - what's going on?

I have sent a message to the list and nothing bounced back. I haven't had any
     origami mail for four or five days.

The listserver says that I am a member.

Can someone please reply to me privately if they read this on the list.

Laurie Bisman
lbisman@sirranet.co.nz





Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 08:02:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: mym@lucent.com
Subject: Re: [NO] American/Canadian Jokes

> =<< > Joseph Wu wrote:
> = > So, if Canadians say "A" (eh) and Mexicans say "C" (si), why don't
> =Americans
> = > say "B"?
> =
> =Or... Why don't Americans say "DC?"
>
> Huh? How's that supposed to fit the pattern?
>

The above patter moves from the realm of "yes" responses to
the field of electric currents. AC = alternating current and
DC = direct current.

Mark
mym@lucent.com





Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 09:30:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: JStranzl@aol.com
Subject: Re: [NO] American/Canadian Jokes

In a message dated 97-04-11 21:31:36 EDT, you write:

<< =<< > Joseph Wu wrote:
 = > So, if Canadians say "A" (eh) and Mexicans say "C" (si), why don't
 =Americans
 = > say "B"?
 =
 =Or... Why don't Americans say "DC?"

 Huh? How's that supposed to fit the pattern?
  >>
AC/DC. Different mind, different pattern! (Like... a term that describes
electricity or the name of the Australian rock group). Geez! I thought
oragamist had imagination and not a one track mind (as opposed to an
eight-track one).

 I hope you are all laughing!       :o)





Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 10:26:31 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mark Morden <marmonk@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: Modernism (NO)

At 11:25 PM 4/13/97 -0300, you wrote:
>     Book Review:  In New York Times for April 10, 1997 there was a review
>of a book by Norman Brosterman titled "Inventing Kindergarten" (Harry N.
>Abrams $38.95), whose thesis was that modern art may have been influenced
>by childhood experiences with kindergarten blocks.  He mentions educational
>building blocks designed by Friedrich Froebel, who coined the term
>"kindergaartgen" in the 1830's.  In some cases, 5 year olds appear to work
>like modern abstractionists.

Frank Lloyd Wright gaves much of his design sense to playing with Froebel's
"gifts," as he called them.  Wright explained how his Mother found out about
the Froebel system at the American Centennial Fair in Philadelphia, in 1876.
FLW talks about spending hours playing with the geometric shapes making
different designs on a grid background.  He said those experiences were
always in his fingertips when he designed houses and ornamental patterns
later in life.

FLW was also heavily influenced by Japanese print makers and thier sense of
economical graphic design.  I have never read any mention of Origami or
paperfolding in his background.  He even lived in Japan in the late 1910s or
early 1920s while designing the Imperial Hotel in Tokyo.

>     There was no mention of origami or paperfolding, even though as
>Froebel used them they were quite geometric in form.  My work in origami
>comes as close as possible to being geometrical in form as any folder's,
>but I cannot recall any particular experiences with blocks, which led me in
>this direction.  I am not at all orderly about the way I go about doing
>things, such as wrapping packages.  My broher in law who comes from an
>engineering background is much more careful and thorough about such things
>as wrapping a package.
>     If you have a preference for geometrical arrangements in your origami,
>can you attribute any of it to childhood experiences?   James M. Sakoda
>

I am attracted to geometric forms, modulars, and objects in origami more so
than animal forms.  This is probably because I am an Architect.  While I
first became interested in architecture at about age 13, I can't attribute
this to any special "training" or experience while growing up. At least,
none that I am aware of.  I was exposed to origami when I was 12, so maybe
there is some connection.

Mark

Mark Morden == marmonk@mail.eskimo.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~marmonk/
--------------------------------------------------------
I believe in Christianity as I believe that the Sun
has risen; not only because I see it, but because by it
I see everything else.
                       C.S. Lewis, "The Weight of Glory"





Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:10:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kerwood Jeffry J <kerwood.jj@mellon.com>
Subject: More Words Please

**** Short version *******
Authors should include more detailed
written text with their diagrams
***************************

**** Long version ********
*I THINK* that unless you know the reader is an
experienced folder, you should include detailed
*textual instructions*. Why is it that I seldom (actually
never, that I can recall right now) see more than a
snippet of written instructions - even for the most
complex move? I know someone will come up with
exceptions, but what is the norm? I'm a new guy to all
this so maybe I don't have enough experience to
have this opinion, maybe I am all wet, but this is
what I think.  "A picture is worth a 1000
words", but by the nature of what we are trying to
describe and the tools we have at hand <the diagrams
are worth 10 words>. *HOWEVER* <a diagram + enough
clear text is worth 10,000 words>. Surely I am not the
only person (esp. beginner) who has sat confounded
at one move in a diagram for an hour saying
"what - what - what - what - is this move, arggggg!!!".
The fun part should be (at least for me is) folding, NOT
banging my head against the wall trying to figure
out a move.  *I THINK* the way to go about it
would be to write *CLEAR* directions in text (have a
friend or two BETA them without the diagrams).
Separately do the diagram.  Marry the two together,
then you'd have a good starting point. I know plenty
of authors read this - and I mean no offense - what you
are doing is very difficult. Is the concern that longer
books = more cost? Or, text can be mistranslated and
diagrams can't? (Or you are trying to make pretty pictures
for the cats? ;-) ) Or are the diagrams sufficient and I
am just a dolt (hummmm....)?

Well, I have been wanting to say that, it feels good.
*******************

Jeff Kerwood
kerwood.jj@mellon.com





Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 12:04:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: ShelleyPos@aol.com
Subject: again!

The postings are not arriving here...had trouble last week for a few days but
it healed itself....can you help?

Shelley





Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:57:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: JESPER LARSEN <940094@udd.aalsem.dk>
Subject: Even more words

Jeff Kerwood wrote:
**** Short version *******
Authors should include more detailed
written text with their diagrams
***************************

Well Jeff, the diagram itself should be enough (at least that's what
I like to beleave) but sometimes a few words would be a great help.
Unfortunately, in those situations, the auther doesn't write enough
or he writes something "strange" making the step even more
difficult to the folder. So - you are absolutely right (from my point
of view). It's easy to get confused.
It's just one of those things you know. The folding itself is just a
matter of discipline (no matter how hard it seems) but reading and
understanding the diagrams can sometimes be a hazard. I think you're
right! We want to fold! Not struggling with some misleading drawing.
Difficult drawings should be devided into more drawings (but only at
those critical points).

Jesper Larsen
940094@udd.aalsem.dk





Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 12:11:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@erols.com>
Subject: [NO]Re: Creating eps or pdf files from any application

James M. Sakoda wrote:
>
>      Problem:  In creating pdf files of my line drawing done with Canvas, I
> have been using only single pages without any difficulty.  When I tried to
> create eps files for a four page series of drawings, I found that the
> Acrobat Distiller which converted the pages to pdf files treated them all
> as a single page of four drawings squeezed into a single page.  Then when I
> tried to read it with Acrobat Reader or Acrobat Exchange I was confronted
> with a long string of drawings which could not be printed conveniently as a
> series of single pages.

Do you mean eps export/output from Canvas directly? I believe eps is
meant for single page/graph previewing purpose (or portability). Don't
generate single multi-page eps file. Have you ever tried 'save to file'
option in mac laser driver using postscript format (not eps). I 'guess'
Distiller might handle multi-page postscript file more gracefully.

PS: I don't have Canvas for MAC and Distiller. Just my $0.02 knowledge
of EPS.

|------------------------------------------------------\
|  _     Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) <chens@asme.org>     |\
| |_| Folding http://www.erols.com/sychen1/pprfld.html --\





Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 12:38:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Goveia, William P" <wgoveia@indiana.edu>
Subject: RE: More Words Please

Well, if you *are* a dolt, you've got company (raising my hand,
sheepishly)...I would prefer more description myself.  It just never
occured to me to ask for it (who's the dolt, then?)...

> Or are the diagrams sufficient and I
> am just a dolt (hummmm....)?
>
> Well, I have been wanting to say that, it feels good.
> *******************
>
> Jeff Kerwood
> kerwood.jj@mellon.com





Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 12:21:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Perry Bailey <pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net>
Subject: Re: [NO] American/Canadian Jokes

mym@lucent.com wrote:
>
> > =<< > Joseph Wu wrote:
> > = > So, if Canadians say "A" (eh) and Mexicans say "C" (si), why don't
> > =Americans
> > = > say "B"?
> > =
> > =Or... Why don't Americans say "DC?"
> >
> > Huh? How's that supposed to fit the pattern?
> >
>
> The above patter moves from the realm of "yes" responses to
> the field of electric currents. AC = alternating current and
> DC = direct current.
>
> Mark
> mym@lucent.com

Oh, Washington!!!!!

PVB
--
>From pbailey@mtayr.heartland.net

***************************************
* Your Life is only what you make it. *
* so make it good. :?)'               *





Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 12:37:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: richardd@redac.co.uk (Richard Davies)
Subject: Re: OFTC --> Mythological Creatures

On the subject of hard-to-get books, if anyone could get hold of Jay Ansills'
Mythological Creatures for me I'd be happy to cover costs and postage in
appropriate currency. Apparently its available in remaindered bookshops in the
US. Not here in England unfortunately :(

Cheers,

  Rich

Richard Davies                Tel:         01684  294161 (ext 328)
Software Engineer             Fax:         01684  299754
Zuken-Redac Ltd                E-Mail:       richardd@redac.co.uk
Tewkesbury. UK                 Home: richard@fionavar.demon.co.uk





Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 12:37:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Unit origami

I noticed yesterday that the Online Bookstore Amazon

http://www.amazon.com

is offering to do a search for hard-to-find or
out of print items, no guarantees, but they'll try.

If you search on "origami" you get about 3-4 batches
of 100 items, and the OP items were all down at the
end. I believe Fuse's Unit Origami was among those
listed.

You could also see if the OUSA Supply Center still
has a copy (it would be new, not used, if they do.)

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 13:00:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: richardd@redac.co.uk (Richard Davies)
Subject: Re: OFTC availability?

> When I tracked down a copy last year in England, I eventually bought it
> from a company called Biblios.  At the time (June) they said they had 7
> copies left.  Here are their details:
>
>     Biblios, Star Road, Partridge Green, West Sussex, RH13 8LD
>     Telephone: 01403 710971
>
>     Credit cards, or cheques payable to Biblios.

That is the distributor that Waterstones are going though. The publisher BTW is
Japan Publications.

Cheers,

Rich

Richard Davies                Tel:         01684  294161 (ext 328)
Software Engineer             Fax:         01684  299754
Zuken-Redac Ltd                E-Mail:       richardd@redac.co.uk
Tewkesbury. UK                 Home: richard@fionavar.demon.co.uk





Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 13:39:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: Brian Cox <briancox@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Two questions from Russia

Hope this helps. This is my first post so please excuse and advise. I did
this as a cut and paste from microsoft works.I haven't really got the
real hang of THIS new addiction.
 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997
16:19:00 +0400 (MSD) From: "Sergei Y. Afonkin" To: origami-l@nstn.ca
Subject: Two
questions from Russia... Message-ID: Dear friends! First question: I
found nice German
book that tells how to make different patterns with a string and hands
(for example well-
known "Cat's cradle"). The title is:"Das Hexenspiel. Finger-Fadenspiele
neu entdeckt", Du
Mont, Koln, 1980. Unfortunately I can't read German. May be there is
Englsh translation?
Bibliographie tells also about the followng books:
- Abraham R.M. Knots and String Games. In: Tricks and Amusements with
Coins, Cards,
String,Paper and Matches. Dover Publ. Inc., N.Y. 1964.
This one was republished as Easy- to- do Entertainment and Diversions
with.......
isbn 0-486-20921-0 Original title Winter Nights Entertainments and has
some origami
 - Ball W.R. Fun with String Figures. Dover Publ.Inc., N.Y. 1971.
Not familiar with this one.
 - Haddon K. String Games for Beginners. John Adams Toys, Wargrave, 1976.
This one is a very small book , has only finished diagrams first
published in 1934 and has
28 figures.isbn 0-9503984 1 1
 -Jayne C.F. String Figures and How to Make Them. Dover Publ. Inc., N.Y.,
1971.
This is the main reference book, has a few procedure diagrams.
- Leeming J. Fun with String. Dover Publ. Inc., N.Y. 1974.
Not familiar with this one
 May be somebody could help me to find one of these books? As far as I
know there is no
such books at all in Russian!
Russian String person Sergei V Rjabchikov...root@biznes.kuban.ru
German String person Udo Engelhardt...udoengel@ chemie.fu-berlin.de
International String Figure Assoc...
http://www.isfa.org/~webweavers/isfa.htm
email  Marksherman@isfa.org    who also has avery good book  Kwakiutl
String Figures
isbn0-7748-0432-7
 Excellent instruction and diagrams Camilla Gryski 3 or 4 books Kids Can
Press- Toronto
Bulletin of the ISFA Vol 3 has an article " The Cradle's First Cats"
quote by Hiroshi
Noguchi   "....... because like most Japanese, I vaguely remember Ayatori
as being one of
our traditional recreations, just like Origami (paper
folding)."noguchi@cfi.waseda.ac.jp
The other cat's name is Philip Noble...." inspired me to contact various
members of the
British Origami Society about 1968. One member Eric Kenneway,.....
philipdnoble@easynet.co.uk
Speaking of cat's I have 2 and a dog and also can do cat's whiskers in
string
>^..^<

Brian Cox
Winnipeg Canada





Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 13:58:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: HOLMES DAVID MARCUS EXC CH <david_marcus.holmes@chbs.mhs.ciba.com>
Subject: RE: OFTC availability?

>> > When I tracked down a copy last year in England, I eventually bought it
>> > from a company called Biblios.  At the time (June) they said they had 7
>> > copies left.  Here are their details:
>> >
>> >     Biblios, Star Road, Partridge Green, West Sussex, RH13 8LD
>> >     Telephone: 01403 710971
>> >
>> >     Credit cards, or cheques payable to Biblios.
>>
>> That is the distributor that Waterstones are going though. The publisher
>>BTW is
>> Japan Publications.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Rich

Why not contact them directly?  You can purchase directly from them - I
did.

>--
>David M Holmes           |             Novartis, Inc.
>david.holmes@bigfoot.com | Views expressed are my own
>-------------------------+---------------------------
>Dave's Origami - http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2162/





Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 14:18:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Nielsen <nielsen@tc1.sims.nrc.ca>
Subject: Toronto_Origami

This is a reminder of the monthly meeting of the
Toronto Origami Society, to take place Thursday
April 17th at 7:00 at the Japan Foundation,
131 Bloor Street West, 2nd floor.

We will be learning + diagramming a few of Marvin's
inventions, including his wonderful table.

New members are encouraged to attend!

        Steve Nielsen
        Toronto, Canada





Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 14:40:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: rick@tridelta.com (Rick Bissell)
Subject: Re: OFTC --> Mythological Creatures

>On the subject of hard-to-get books, if anyone could get hold of Jay Ansills'
>Mythological Creatures for me I'd be happy to cover costs and postage in
>appropriate currency. Apparently its available in remaindered bookshops in the
>US. Not here in England unfortunately :(

FYI, last month Dennis Brannon posted that there were 15 copies of
this book available at the New England Mobile Book Fair in Newton Highlands,
Massachusetts, USA.   I'm sad to say that I tried to order
one last week but they were all gone (he who hesitates...).  Hopefully
someone knows of another source (Origami USA?)

   -- Rick





Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 16:17:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: NO: quilted paper

Here's another item from a mathematics list I subscribe to.  It's not
about origami, but it is about tesselated paper ...

        -- Jeannine Mosely

------- Start of forwarded message -------
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 05:03:52 -0400
From: Bill Dubuque <wgd@martigny.ai.mit.edu>
Subject: Penrose on a roll

Many mathematical logicians would surely argue that this was
also the best medium for the publication of Penrose's work
on Godel's theorem:

         LONDON (Reuter) - An eminent British scientist is suing U.S.
paper products giant Kimberly-Clark Corp. for allegedly stealing
one of his designs and using it to decorate toilet paper,
Saturday newspapers said.
         Sir Roger Penrose, a mathematical physicist and expert on
black holes, says the pattern on Kimberly-Clarke's Kleenex
Quilted is a mathematical design he created 20 years ago.
         Together with Pentaplex Ltd., a company which markets
puzzles based on his design, Penrose has issued a writ in
Britain's High Court seeking the destruction of all stocks of
the quilted toilet paper.
         ``So often we read of very large companies riding roughshod
over small businesses or individuals, but when it comes to the
population of Great Britain being invited by a multinational to
wipe their bottoms on what appears to be the work of a knight of
the realm without his permission, then a last stand must be
made,'' David Bradley of Pentaplex said.
         Kimberly-Clarke told the Times that it had held talks
with Pentaplex last year to try to resolve the dispute, but said
these were never concluded.

------- End of forwarded message -------





Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 16:59:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: jtweres@lucent.com
Subject: clowns & parking space ( Was: [NO] ftp anon logins)

Valerie wrote:
> Sadly, there's always some jerk who will spoil things for those
> who play by the rules, and who will abuse priviledges established
> for the enjoyment or convenience of others, like the clowns who
> use handicapped parking spaces...
                                                         /\
                                                         ||
my my valerie,                                           ||
aren't you giving clowns a bad name ???   =================

i always thought those "stealers of handicapped parking spaces"
were selfish, insensitive, parsimonious, rapacious, greedy egotists
who need a real-life learning experience
of being in an accident
and subsequently put in a wheelchair
to fully appreciate the challenges that it does pose

HEY!!!
      who put that soapbox under my feet???

do i dare start the following thread
in the dyslexic/cat-loving theme:

        how many fellow origamists love clowns???

  /-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-///plieur de papier\\\-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\
 /=-= jack thomas weres                         jtweres@lucent.com =-=\
/=======================\\\================///=========================\
"Let Go and Let Fold"                             "One Crease At A Time"





Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 18:33:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: pazenk@wavefront.com
Subject: Re: Unit origami

I'm pretty sure that Key Curriculum Press had Fuse's Unit Origami offered in
their latest catalog.  Also I have seen it listed in various catalogs that sell
supplies for math teachers.
I would not be surprised to see the book offered for sale at the national
convention for National Council of Teachers of Mathematics (NCTM) which is being
held in Minneapolis later this week.  Are any of you math/origami people
(besides me) planning to attend?
Phyllis
pazenk@wavefront.com





Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 19:05:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kimberly Crane <kcrane@kimscrane.com>
Subject: Re: Unit origami

JESPER LARSEN wrote:
>
> I have recently experienced that "Unit Origami - Multidimensional
> Transformations" by Tomoko Fuse seems to be out-of-print.
> "Sasuga" told me this! I have asked "Fascinating Folds" (through
> e-mail) if they had any copies left but they have never replied.
> So my situation is this:
> 1) I want the best book(s) on unit origami. I've heard so much
> positive about "Unit Origami" and now I can't get it. Horrible!
> 2) What now? Any suggestions? Any alternatives to this wonderful
> book?
> 3) Is there a new and better book by T. Fuse on geometrical unit
> origami on it's way? Knowing this would ease my pain.
>
> Jesper

Kim's Crane has currently in stock several copies of Unit Origami by T.
Fuse.  This is a wonderful book for those who enjoy modular origami.
Please check our web site at http://www.kimscrane.com  for further
instructions on how to order this book or other origami papers and
books.

Kimberly and Gordon Crane





Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 19:44:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: clowns, lovable and not so

Everybody loves clowns, except maybe the styrofoam ones that
live at the tips of auto radio antennae...  :-)

And speaking of "jokers": I'm beginning to wonder if we don't
have a hacker/prankster (not very funny) who knows how to
forge internet addresses (so that email appears to come from
an address other than the one it actually came from; some
of the mass mailing jerks do this) is randomly unsubscribing
members or setting their addresses to "postone"; or if it
is just the cranky listserver program having the hiccups...

--valerie





Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 22:02:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: RE: More Words Please

>Well, if you *are* a dolt, you've got company (raising my hand,
>sheepishly)...I would prefer more description myself.  It just never
>occured to me to ask for it (who's the dolt, then?)...
>
>> Or are the diagrams sufficient and I
>> am just a dolt (hummmm....)?
>>
>> Well, I have been wanting to say that, it feels good.
>> *******************
>>
>> Jeff Kerwood
>> kerwood.jj@mellon.com

As author of Modern Origami and Origami Flower Arrangement I agree that
textual explanations are just as important as diagrams.  Attempts to say it
all in diagrams are bound to fail because there are some moves which cannot
be diagammed easily.  Where and how to hold the paper, repeating partially
on the other side, the degree of creasing, the need to estimate where
creasing is done, etc.  Besides it helps a lot to have the same move
explained in as many ways as possible.  Folds are indicated by dotted lines
accompanied by arrows, and the result is shown in the next diagram.  Even
so I find that even when I try to follow my own diagrams looking at
diagrams alone often does not produce the right result, and reading the
written instructions then becomes essential.  James M. Sakoda





Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 22:12:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kim Best <kim.best@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: Cat people

WTiger553@aol.com wrote:
>
> Actually I like dogs better too so don't feel alone!

Actually, I was beginning to wonder if anyone has come up with a model
of a cat run over by a car, complete with tread marks :*)

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Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 23:08:12 -0300 (ADT)
From: alasdair@staff.feldberg.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: Cat people

At 10:12 PM 4/14/97 -0300, you wrote:
>WTiger553@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> Actually I like dogs better too so don't feel alone!
>
>Actually, I was beginning to wonder if anyone has come up with a model
>of a cat run over by a car, complete with tread marks :*)

not difficult...just do some box pleating, make some vaguely cat-like
appendages, head and tail, and make little zig-zag pleats across the
midsection. i guess i'm just sick. i already created that model, but with a
human.

i also created a human caught in a trash compactor.

maybe i should seek counseling.

alasdair





Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 00:05:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Cat people

alasdair, writing about road-kill origami:
+midsection. i guess i'm just sick. i already created that model, but with a
+human. ... i also created a human caught in a trash compactor.
+
+maybe i should seek counseling.

Only if that would help produce diagrams more quickly! ;-)

-D'gou





Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 00:15:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: MJNAUGHTON@amherst.edu
Subject: Sonobe Model Volumes

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On Thursday, April 3, Jorma Oksanen wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone has calculated the volume for any sonobe
modules.
> Stellated tetrahedron (or cube, if you prefer), octahedron and
icosahedron
> proved to be easy, but what is the volume of 18-unit substellated tetra-
> hedron (I hope I got it right - four intersecting cubes) assuming that
> modules are made of a*a squares?

I haven't actually done the calculation for the four intersecting cubes,
but I imagine that if you call the volume of one of the "points" on the
stellated octahedron (or icosahedron) "VP", and the volume of a six-piece
cube "VC", the volume would be 5VC - 8VP. Looked at another way, the figure
is made up of four cubes with (1/2 VP) cut away (volume = 4VC - 4VP),
attached to the faces of a tetrahedron (which is a cube - or "stellated
tetrahedron" - with the stellations cut away: volume = VC - 4VP).
Total volume = (4VC - 4VP) + (VC - 4VP). . . .

I don't imagine there's a general solution for the "n-module" figure -
particularly since "n modules" can often be used to make more than one
figure. . . .

Mike Naughton





Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 00:18:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: MJNAUGHTON@amherst.edu
Subject: 60-degree Sonobe Constructions

On Thursday, April 3, Helena wrote:

> But I tried the stellated octahedron last night, and was
> surprized to find that I could only manage by using all peices
> identical (no mirror images); so I was thinking about trying
> to prove that it can't be made from pieces that are not all
> the same.  Do people already have proofs of things like that?

and Joseph Wu replied:

> Tom? Any replies on this? How about Jeannine or Valerie?

I don't want to speak Tom or Jeannine or Valerie, but I don't think
there's a proof for this, because I've managed to construct a
stellated octahedron from 6 "right-handed" and 6 "left-handed"
modules. I don't want to spoil all the fun, so I won't give away
the whole secret. However, here are a couple of hints:

a) Note that you can use one module of each "handedness" to
construct a triangular point that has one flap hanging off one
side and a pocket and a flap hanging off another (these are the
pieces you would use to close in the two-piece tetrahedron).

b) Note further that these two-piece points have a "handedness"
of their own. . . .

Have fun, and I'll be happy to give more details if anyone wants.

Mike Naughton





Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 00:44:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: WTiger553@aol.com
Subject: Re: Unit origami

I'm a beginner in origami.Can someone offer some helpful books????
