




Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 10:10:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: JStranzl@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dollar bill tips.

In a message dated 97-04-07 18:26:20 EDT, you write:

<< Reading the bad experiences has left me wondering....

 The bills that I leave folded with the tip are always "extra".  I
 consider the origami I leave to be made from interesting, though also
 expensive, paper.  Since I don't want the recipient to unfold the
 origami, I first leave the tip I would leave otherwise, and then, if I
  >>

I would be curious to know in what cities you are leaving these tips, what
the fold is (i.e., shirt, peacock, etc), and the age group of the
wait-person. My experiences have been in New England (e.g., upstate NY,
Vermont, etc.) and in Lancaster PA and all but one, in the several yeasrs I
have been doing this, unfolded it. And that's because she was mentally
challenged (<-- Is that politically correct term?). I almost always leave the
shirt but on occassion have left a bow tie. Maybe some of the folds required
too much imagination for the uninitiated (e.g., elf/gnome). Anyway... Just
thought I'd add two more cents!

John

P.S. The origami bills should ALWAYS be left as an extra. Although, sometimes
from their reaction, I think they would forget about the rest of the tip! LOL
Happy folding everyone!





Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 10:19:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: Dennis Brannon <brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com>
Subject: RE: OUSA

On Sun, 6 Apr 1997 22:09:48 -0300 (ADT), "Backes, Nancy J (MN17)"
<nbackes@p04.mn17.honeywell.com>  wrote:

>[snip] more than 2 months after I sent [the check] and I haven't heard
>or received anything from OUSA.

I renewed my membership in early March.  On March 26th I received
a letter from them confirming my renewal, and saying they are undergoing
a change in the corporate logo and new membership cards will be available
in four to six weeks.

dennis

-----
Dennis Brannon
brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com
Littleton, MA, USA





Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 09:50:34 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kerwood Jeffry J <kerwood.jj@mellon.com>
Subject: Misc. Things

Howdy says Jeff from Pittsburgh!!!

===================
>John said: "I like keeping new and interesting [dollar bill folds] in my
wallet
>and leaving them as. I have the "Klutz" book which contains several models
>(peacock, bow tie, rings, etc.), and a few I've received from friends who
>are members of OrigamiUSA. Any help would be greatly appreciated!"

John: Do you have the ISBN for the "Klutz" book. Sounds like something
everybody knows about but I'm new to this I don't know what you're
talking
about. Could you be more specific about the few things you have found
on the internet. I found the Sakoda stuff, know of anything else?
How about sharing the models you have gotten form your friends
(with their consent of course)? If you have them diagrammed and they are
only
in hard copy, I and perhaps others, would be glad to say thank you 100
times
and reimburse you for cost of sending a copy.

Everybody: The same offer to reimburse for sending hardcopies goes out
to
others with $bill diagrams. Just email me at the address below. Also, I
think
there are several $fold books, any recommendations?

=============
>Allen said: " The best printed source for 'quality' dollar bill folds are
>old convention annuals which can be purchased through the
>Origami Source."

Allen: Which convention annual(s) have the most/best $folds?

===========
>Brett said in response to how to fold in 1/3rds: "l like the simple method.
>Take the square in both hands one hand on the left edge and one on the
>right. Push your hands toward each other until the paper (not folds) but
>bends into a curved    S   shape (when looked at edge on).  Then gradually
>flatten and adjust the paper into thirds.  If you are careful (and with
>practice) there are NO extra creases at all.

Brett: I was going to reply privately but your idea was so elegant
in it's completeness and it's simplicity I wanted to let everybody
know to try it. *** IT REALY WORKS ***. It worked perfectly the
first time I did it and I said to myself, "that was just a fluke" so I
did
it again - PERFECT AGAIN. Thanks Brett - YOU'RE COOOL

 ==========
><Later> More about 1/3rd's> D'gou said: "MY fav. method is the
>parallel lines trick.  Evenly spaced parallel lines will evenly
>subdivide any line crossing them at any angle.  Since
>I do a lot of my folding on or near a ruled cutting mat, that works.
>But so does any graph paper or ruled 'notebook' paper."

This is cool too (especially for things like 9th's).  But D'gou I had a
hard time following your instructions.  After a bunch of playing I
figured it out.  (Of course after I figured it out your instructions
were
perfectly clear). Not that I can do any better, but in case any body
else had trouble too I thought I'd give a try at explaining it.  Maybe
two people saying will make it clearer.  It is soooo great everybody
should take the time to figure it out.  It's really neat.  (I also want
to
verify that I got it right - did I?)  (Sorry you had such nonluck with
the
' S ' method - different strokes for different folks).

1)  Place a sheet of lined paper (not the paper to be divided)
in front of you with the lines vertical as diagrammed below.
"L0" refers to the line going from top to bottom along the left
hand side of the lined paper.

                        TOP

L0  L1  L2  L3  L4  L5  L6  L7  L8
 |      |      |      |     |      |     |      |      |
 |      |      |      |     |      |     |      |      |
 |      |      |      |     |      |     |      |      |
 |      |      |      |     |      |     |      |      |
 |      |      |      |     |      |     |      |      |
 |      |      |      |     |      |     |      |      |

                       BOTTOM

2) The paper you want to divide:
         call upper left corner UL
         call upper right corner UR
         call bottom left corner BL
         call bottom right corner BR

3) The line you want to divide is UL - BL.

4) Place your paper on top of the lined paper with
UL - BL along the L0 line.

5) To divide into thirds, without lifting or folding your paper,
rotate it (slide it by pulling UR away from you) until BL
touches the L3 line (keep UL on line L0).  Where the L1
line intercepts the UL - BL edge of your paper is a 1/3rd
mark. Where the L2 line intersects the UL - BL line is the
other 1/3rd mark.

=============================
D'gou: I agree completely with what you said about
leaving the $bill folds tips for YOUR own benefit.  I wrote
the following before I read what you had to say.

About leaving $fold tips. For me the pleasure would be
simply making the world a prettier place. I'd be happy
to see their smile but I'd also be happy just to set it on
the table and leave knowing I'd left a little sunshine -  made
the day a little brighter. In a lifetime, maybe not everyone - but
surely many - will be made to smile.

*"The highest reward for man's toil is not what he gets for it,
but what he becomes by it."*   John Ruskin
============<<OLE Object: Microsoft Word 6.0 Document>>================

Thanks, Jeff.
kerwood.jj@mellon.sprint.com





Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 12:07:43 -0300 (ADT)
From: Allen Parry <parry@eskimo.com>
Subject: The Dollar Bill Puzzle diagram!

To return frustration to the origami unknowledgable,
here is an attempt for a diagram of the dollar bill
puzzle.  This model is as old as the hills....
Creator unknown.  I find larger denomination bills
work best...they tend to be crisper (and adds incentive
I have seen a good crisp fold take forever for some.
I've had phone call a couple of days later from
people saying, "I got it!"

Have fun with it....as much as I do!

------------------------------------------------------
You'll need to view this with non-proportional spaced
characters.  The easiest way to do this is to save this
message and view it from Window's Notepad..

Here's a try at character based diagramming.

Dotted lines are valley folds.  Arrow are places that
go to the '@' place.

We start by putting a waterbomb base on each end of
the bill.

With green side up, pre-crease the diagonals on each
end of the bill.
+---------------------------------------------+
| .           .                 .           . |
|   .       .                     .       .   |
|     .   .                         .   .     |
|       .           ONE               .       |
|     .   .                         .   .     |
|   .       .                     .       .   |
| .           .                 .           . |
+---------------------------------------------+

Collapse the sides (marked with arrows to the
ampersand(@) to creat waterbomb bases.

       ||                            ||
       \/                            \/
+---------------------------------------------+
| .           .                 .           . |
|   .       .                     .       .   |
|     .   .                         .   .     |
|       .       @              @      .       |
|     .   .                         .   .     |
|   .       .                     .       .   |
| .           .                 .           . |
+---------------------------------------------+
       /\                             /\
       ||                             ||

It now should look like this:

                +-------------+
              / ||           || \
            /   ||           ||   \
          /     ||           ||     \
        /       ||           ||       \
      <         ++           ++         >
        \       ||           ||       /
          \     ||           ||     /
            \   ||           ||   /
              \ ||           || /
                +-------------+

Now take the three points at each end of the bill
to the apersand.

                ||           ||
                \/           \/
                +-------------+
              / ||           || \
            /   ||           ||   \
          /.....||           ||.....\
        / :     ||           ||     : \
 =>   <   :     @+           +@     :   >   <=
        \ :     ||           ||     : /
          \.....||           ||...../
            \   ||           ||   /
              \ ||           || /
                +-------------+
                /\           /\
                ||           ||

It should look something like this:

                +-------------+
              / |             | \
            /   |             |   \
          | \---|+           +|---/|
          |   \ ||           || /  |
          |     >+           +<    |
          |   / ||           || \  |
          | /---|+           +|---\|
            \   |             |   /
              \ |             | /
                +-------------+

Flip over .... Fold top & bottm flaps to the center.

                +-------------+
              /                 \
            /.....................\
            |                     |
            |                     |
            |                     |
            |                     |
            |                     |
            \...................../
              \                 /
                +-------------+

It should look something like this:

            +-----+---------+-----+
            | \   |         |   / |
            |   \ |         | /   |
            |     >---------<     |
            |   / |         | \   |
            | /   |         |   \ |
            +-----+---------+-----+

Flip Over...fold left third over George's Face.

            +---------------------+
            | \   :         |   / |
            |   \ : George's| /   |
            |     >  Face   <     |
            |   / :         | \   |
            | /   :         |   \ |
            +---------------------+

It should look something like this.  On the right side
you just folded over, you have two corner flaps.  You
now fold the right third, tucking corner 'a' into
flap 'A' and corner 'b' into flap 'B'.

                                   a
                     +----+-------+
                     | A /|:|   / |
                     | /  |:| /   |
                     <    |:<     |
                     | \  |:| \   |
                     | B \|:|   \ |
                     +----+-------+
                                   b

Done....it should look like this:

                     +------+
                     |    / |
                     |  /\  |
                     |<    >|
                     |  \/  |
                     |    \ |
                     +------+

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 13:31:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Dollar bill tips.

John < JStranzl@aol.com > wrote:
+I would be curious to know in what cities you are leaving these tips, what
+the fold is (i.e., shirt, peacock, etc), and the age group of the
+wait-person.

I leave my tips in Pittsburgh, PA and any of the places I visit on
vacation, say in NYC during the Convention.  Age group varies.  The
model is usually the shirt, or a pair of boots, or maybe a butterfly or
star of david, depending on how good the service was, etc.

-D'gou





Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 15:05:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Misc. Things

+Howdy says Jeff from Pittsburgh!!!

Howdy back from Pittsburgh sayeth D'gou!

+Could you be more specific about the few things you have found
+on the internet. I found the Sakoda stuff, know of anything else?

The best thing to do is track down everything from Joseph Wu's site.

Just my lucky penny's worth! ;-)

+>Allen said: " The best printed source for 'quality' dollar bill folds are
+>old convention annuals which can be purchased through the
+>Origami Source."
+
+Allen: Which convention annual(s) have the most/best $folds?

There is a book that OUSA put out "Making More With Money" (or something to
that effect) which is a collection of money folds from various of the annual
collecions.  Its in the catalog.

BTW: The Klutz book can often be found in stock at either a Barnes and
Noble or Border's stores.  I've also seen copies at Walden's and other
"nature" stores that carry the whole Klutz line.

[Referring to the parallel line trick, Jeff wrote:]
+verify that I got it right - did I?)

Yep!  Though the line labels for L0 through L8 didn't match up, so I suspect
you were using a non-proportional font! ;-)

+D'gou: I agree completely with what you said about
+leaving the $bill folds tips for YOUR own benefit.  I wrote
+the following before I read what you had to say.
+
+About leaving $fold tips. For me the pleasure would be
+simply making the world a prettier place. I'd be happy
+to see their smile but I'd also be happy just to set it on
+the table and leave knowing I'd left a little sunshine -  made
+the day a little brighter. In a lifetime, maybe not everyone - but
+surely many - will be made to smile.
+
+*"The highest reward for man's toil is not what he gets for it,
+but what he becomes by it."*   John Ruskin

Well said!

-Doug





Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 15:51:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: Dennis Brannon <brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com>
Subject: RE: I've got some questions...

>David J. wrote almost in reply

      >Method 2: If you get stuck on a step, find out what those steps are
      >meant to achieve and try out an easier way (bodge it).

>There are a lot of very good folders who use the bodge method, they just
>don't admit to it !!!

"bodge it"?  That's a phrase I haven't come across before.
I usually "wing it", "fudge it", or "kludge it".

After attempting Method 2 several times and when the paper starts to tear,
then try Method 3.

Method 3: Ask yourself if that fold is really, really needed.  Use it as a
learning experience to appreciate how difficult some folds are to diagram,
and look at it as an opportunity to improve on the model by making it
easier or faster to fold.  It also could lead creating a variation - a failed
winged dragon could become a 3 headed dragon.   The paper is tearing
anyway, so what do you have to loose by experimenting.

dennis

      Dennis Brannon
      brannon@jamin.enet.dec.com
      Littleton, MA, USA





Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 16:44:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: plank@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Directions for making the compound of 5 tetrahedrons

Hi -- for those who have inquired, I have finally gotten around to
diagramming the modules for the compound of 5 tetrahedrons that is
pictured on the top of my origami web page.  Sorry it took so long.
Check out the web page for details:

  http://www.cs.utk.edu/~plank/plank/origami/origami.html

Jim Plank
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Plank
plank@cs.utk.edu
http://www.cs.utk.edu/~plank

Assistant Professor
Department of Computer Science
University of Tennessee
107 Ayres Hall
Knoxville, TN 37996

     423-974-4397
Fax: 423-974-4404





Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 16:53:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: dollar bill tips

Just to add to the stories about dollar bill tips:

I was eating breakfast at a very crowded, very busy, high-turnover diner
(tiny town in West Virginia and the only place open on Sunday morning
following a folk festival).  There was a line out the door - when one party
stood up to leave another party descended immediately on the table, dirty
dishes and all.  As part of the tip, I had left one of the fancier dollar
bill bow ties.  I looked back as I squeezed toward the door and saw another
exiting party stop at the table and scoop up the bow tie.  They did leave 4
quarters in its place....

I had left the tip for an appreciated and very over-worked waitress who
might or might not have appreciated the folding.  It was "recovered" by
someone who was at least intrigued by the folding and was honest enough to
replace the monetary value for the waitress.  I guess it all evens out in
the end.

For other dollar bill and "plain paper" origami tip stories, someone ought
to interview the staff at the restaurants around FIT.  I am quite sure that
they are inundated every convention.  Wonder if over-exposure leads to
appreciation?

Carol Hall
chall@scsn.net





Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 19:06:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: Marty Katz <mandrk@pb.net>
Subject: Re: New Gross title?

> A page at the Friedman/Fairfax site:
>
> http://www.metrobooks.com/craftbooks/papercrafts.html
>
> describes the title "Paper Creations" by Gay Merrill Gross. Is this a new
> title or another reincarnation of "Art of Origami"? It isn't listed at
> Amazon. Anyone know the release date?
>
> If you know the answer, email me personally. I think I'm not getting list
> mail again. (I'm spending my limited computer time relaxing with my book
> pages versus answering email by the way. So please be patient if I haven't
> answered a message.)
>
> pat slider.

Gay's "New" book is a compilation of models from her two other
origami books. Sadly, as Nick Robinson pointed out, the publishers do
not pay anything additional (no royalties either). Gay was given the
choice of having nothing to do with this new product or the option to
look it over. Since her name was going on the book, she chose to
check it over. New diagrams were created so that the styles match.

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 21:05:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: rhudson@netrax.net (Hudson-Robert)
Subject: reactions to tips

I've had mixed results with tips.  I've  taken to folding the placemats
into Neale Dragons wherever I've gone.  Or, I carry small 3 1/2" squares
with me and fold smaller versions.  Tonight, I had a waittress approach me
at the counter after I had deposited a Neale dragon on the table, asking,
"What is this thing?".  Harsh.  I maintained my composure. "A dragon," I
replied calmly.  One of her cohorts from the kitchen razzed her about it as
she walked into the back.  "don't you know a dragon when you see one?"

Rob





Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 21:35:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Allen Parry <parry@eskimo.com>
Subject: Favorite Dollar Bill Folds

----------
> From: Kerwood Jeffry J <kerwood.jj@mellon.com>
> =============
> >Allen said: " The best printed source for 'quality' dollar bill folds
are
> >old convention annuals which can be purchased through the
> >Origami Source."
>
> Allen: Which convention annual(s) have the most/best $folds?
>
> ===========

You know, I am sorry to say, the good models are spread throughout
the various past issues..but here are some of my of my favorites from
Convention Annuals:

Canadian Dollar Bill Plane      1988        J.F.K. Wiatrowski
Dollar Bill Guitarist     1989     Marc Kirschenbaum
Dollar Bill Donkey          ????       Lore Schirokauer
*Dolphin                     1993 Steven Weiss
*Dollar Bug Eyed Jumping Frog   1991      Eric Tend
*Stag              1992   Fred Rolm
*Dollar Bill Piggy Bank         1988   John Montroll
Dollar Bill Kangaroo      1990     Eric Tend
Buffalo                           1993        Edwin Corrie
Dollar Bill Owl                      1988 Steven Weiss
*Two Frogs on a Seesaw   Herman Shall
Two & Four Dollar Rose   1989    Ros Joyce
*Dollar Bill Gorilla       1990      Ros Joyce
Canadian Dollar Bill Pig        1988        J.F.K. Wiatrowski
Bear          1992    Eric Tend
*Shirt                        ????

The one's with (*) are in OrigamiUSA's Making More with Money
I would say it is the best collection of exclusive dollar bill folds
for sale at this time.

You also need to get the Bunny Bill, an action model.  Sold as
a pamphlet.  Also obtainable from the Origami Source.

There are many more out there....some I missed....many of them
underground and unpublished as of yet.  Some held by a select
few...designs being sat on with aspirations of the creators to
sometime write a book.  I have found, if you really want the 'best'
models...you'll have to enter the world of creating and create
something so fabulous that... the sat on model would be traded....
as long as you swear a solemn oath not to share it with another
soul and not to reverse engineer it.  I am sorry to say....for many
of the models, it comes to this.  But, hey, its fun....kind of like
trading baseball cards.

I'd say if you learned each of these you'd have a very impressive
repertoire that would bring waitors and waitresses fighting over
who gets to serve you.

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 03:08:02 -0300 (ADT)
From: nienhuis@westworld.com (Bob Nienhuis)
Subject: Re: Dollar bill tips.

>In a message dated 97-04-07 18:26:20 EDT, you write:
>
>I would be curious to know in what cities you are leaving these tips, what
>the fold is (i.e., shirt, peacock, etc), and the age group of the
>wait-person.
>John

I generally leave dollar bill tips here in L.A. in a coffeeshop that I
frequent, so that the staff know me and have come to expect that I will
leave a model as a tip. Frequently one of the other waiters or waitresses
will come by after I have finished eating to "check out" the model I am
doing today. Often if the person who waits on me already has one of that
kind, they will trade it off to someone else. Some of the staff there
have good sized collections of my models by now.

I generally get the best reactions from a new server from Kasahara's
elephant. It is very effective and easily recognizable.

Sometimes a child or other person sitting nearby will notice what I am
doing and strike up a conversation.

My conclusion fron all of this is that a poor reaction to a model left as
a tip is frequently due to unfamilarity with the art, rather than dislike
of it. I say therefore, leave more origami tips and educate the public!
>
>P.S. The origami bills should ALWAYS be left as an extra. Although, sometimes
>from their reaction, I think they would forget about the rest of the tip! LOL
>Happy folding everyone!
>
Agreed!

Bob Nienhuis





Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 06:25:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: HOLMES DAVID MARCUS EXC CH <david_marcus.holmes@chbs.mhs.ciba.com>
Subject: Cats (was RE: Psychological profile)

Hi,

Sorry if this thread has already finished, but I've just returned from
my Easter holiday, only to be met by about 400 email messages 8^)

>> It seems like many folders are left-handed and such.  Are many people on
>> this list cat-lovers as well?
>>
>> Tabitha     %-D
>
Definitely!  I certainly prefer cats to dogs, and we've had two cats in
our family since about the mid 1980's.  They are about 12 or 13 years
old now, but I can still remember when they could sit in the palm of my
hand.

Dave

>--
>David M Holmes           |             Novartis, Inc.
>david.holmes@bigfoot.com | Views expressed are my own
>-------------------------+---------------------------
>Dave's Origami - http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2162/





Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 09:37:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: jcubero@mailhost.magicnet.net (Javier Cubero)
Subject: More on origami tips...

To add to the recent thread on origami tips:

About a year ago, I went to a Mexican restaurant here in Orlando,
Florida, in a very "Southern" part of town.  At the end of the meal I
decide to fold a dollar bill seagull, and leave it as a tip.  The
person who brought me to the restaurant gave it to the waitress, who
wasn't the most worldly person, and said, "It's origami."  The
waitress squinted at the bill, trying to figure it out, and said,
"Oree...Oree-whut?  Is thayt May-xican?" (Add thick Southern accent).
I was flabbergasted.  She couldn't *comprehend* what I'd done, and had
no idea why I'd leave something Japanese at a Mexican restaurant, much
less what she should do with it.  I'm willing to bet she unfolded it
as soon as we were out of sight.  The rest of that evening the joke to
everything as "Whut? Is thayt May-xican?"

--
Javier Cubero                         GTI Telecom, Inc.
jcubero@mailhost.magicnet.net         Orlando, Fl.





Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 09:58:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mark Morden <marmonk@eskimo.com>
Subject: Dollar bill tips, sort of

Here is something to add to the mix.  My company holds the traditional NCAA
basketball tournament pool every March.  Entry fee is $5.00.  There are
prizes to the top three winners of the pool, and the person who finishes
last gets the "old college try award": their money refunded.  Of course I
send in my entry fee folded.  This year I sent in a new star I developed
from two single bills, and the cross, heart, and cat from my web page.  The
pool administrator sent me a note along with my first place prize (sorry, I
had to work that in here somehow) thanking me for the folded bills.  He said
that he used them as the booby prize for the last place finisher.  So maybe
receiving the folded bills will take some of the sting away from finishing
last for this basketball-challenged person.  We can only hope :-)

Mark

Mark Morden == marmonk@mail.eskimo.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~marmonk/
--------------------------------------------------------
I believe in Christianity as I believe that the Sun
has risen; not only because I see it, but because by it
I see everything else.
                       C.S. Lewis, "The Weight of Glory"





Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 10:46:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: JESPER LARSEN <940094@udd.aalsem.dk>
Subject: cats

I have just returned from 4 weeks of work + easter holiday. My mailbox
was loaded with 800+ e-mails. I haven't got the time to read them all
(sob, sob) so I'm not familar with the main topic(s) at the
moment. One thing I DO know... somebody's talking about cats.
And yes...I'm also very fond of cats (siamese).
Best regards
Jesper





Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 11:30:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: Marcia Mau <marcia.mau@pressroom.com>
Subject: $ Bill Tips

After one of the FOCA conventions at IS44, several of us from the
Washington,DC area had dinner at the Cherry Restaurant.  It served Italian
and Japanese food and was on Michael Shall's list of recommended restaurants
in the Upper West Side neighborhood.

Our waitress was extremely busy so we left our folded tips on the table and
went outside on the street to watch her reaction through the picture window.
She found the tips, laughed, and looked out the window at us and smiled and
waved.

On the way out of the restaurant we noticed postcards of one of Michael's
Japan Air Lines trees taped to the wall above the cashier's counter.

Later that summer I noticed the restaurant space was being remodeled.  Did
it ever reopen as a restaurant?  It was about a block south of the American
Museum of Natural History on the street that runs along the west side of AMNH.
Marcia Mau
Vienna, VA USA
marcia.mau@pressroom.com





Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 12:14:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: HOLMES DAVID MARCUS EXC CH <david_marcus.holmes@chbs.mhs.ciba.com>
Subject: RE: I've got some questions...

>> > Does anyone know who I can contact
>> > concerning OUSA membership? I sent
>> > in my membership form back in January
>> > and have not heard anything to date.
>>
>> On that note, I was wondering, does this society take people from
>> overseas? (country in particular is Australia. :) )

Yes.  Wherever you are in this little world of ours, you can join OUSA.

>> 3. ...and a grand piano and violin?

There's a violin player in:

The Complete Book of Origami by Robert J. Lang
Dover Publications, Inc. (ISBN 0 48625 837 8)

>> 4. Last question... How about star wars models? I would LOVE to see models
>> of Star Wars in paper.

Me too!  So I came up with a simple Tie Fighter - it needs some work on
the proportions, but the basic fold sequences are there.  Hmmm, perhaps
I could work something out for the Millenium Falcon and Boba Fett's
ship?

>> Thanks.
>> Richard.
>
Dave

>--
>David M Holmes           |             Novartis, Inc.
>david.holmes@bigfoot.com | Views expressed are my own
>-------------------------+---------------------------
>Dave's Origami - http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2162/





Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 13:02:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: Amber Stevens <AmberS@rosestudios.com>
Subject: motorcycle model?

Hello all,

I am looking for instructions on how to fold a motorcycle or a bike or a
moped of any kind, but I don't seem to be having any luck.  Does anyone
know where I can find such a model?

Also, does anyone know of any origami clubs in the Seattle area?  I'm
pretty new to origami, but I just can't stop folding!

Thanks so much in advance.

Amber Stevens
ambers@rosestudios.com
www.rosestudios.com

P.S. Just for the record; I am a right-handed dog & cat lover with no
allergies (phew!).





Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 14:50:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: Contractors Exchange <contract@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: motorcycle model?

At 01:02 PM 4/9/97 -0300, Amber Stevens <AmberS@rosestudios.com> wrote:

>I am looking for instructions on how to fold a motorcycle or a bike or a
>moped of any kind, but I don't seem to be having any luck.  Does anyone
>know where I can find such a model?

There are two ver good ones in Issei Yoshino's "Super Complex Origami."
This book is  available though Japanese bookstores (such as Sasuga).

Marc





Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 16:48:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Re: marketing vs. truth

Hiya all :-)

Nick Robinson wrote
(lots of stuff deleted):
> Assume the worst, then go a bit further, that's the average contract, be
> it music, publishing, whatever.

This reminds me of a thread from January this year,
called "What should I do?" (I think). Someone wrote about
a deal he/she was going to make, it was about an Origami
clown on place mats for a restaurant chain.
What has become of this deal?

Hey you! With the Origami Clown! Did you actually get
that contract? I never read about the outcome of that story.
Have I just overlooked your report, or are you still
negotiating with those sharks?

Matthias





Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 16:45:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Origami Publishing  (was:Re: Tuyen)

Daddy-o D'gou wrote to Matthias Gutfeldt:
> Here here.  That is what I was trying to say in my earlier message,
> and wish that I had said!

Glad to be of assistance. My services as a spokesperson
are available at a pay-per-line basis <g>.

> Authors of books,
> origami books esp. don't have final say about what goes out under their
> name.  I seem to recall Jay Ansill writing about being unable to get
> things in his book changed, and I'm sure other authors have had
> similiar experiences.

This sounds quite bad. But how about "serious" literature from
authors like Patricia Highsmith, Jack London, or Hemmingway (sorry;
I don`t remember any more contemporary english writers; guess
I shouldn`t read so much computer magazines); did they have their
books re-written/remodeled/changed almost beyond recognition too?
I can`t imagine this happening. Maybe it only happens to books
about some craft or hobby?
Could it be that Origami Authors are simply too modest, or
inexperienced, in dealing with publishers? There is a writer
association here in Switzerland that helps new writers in
their negotiations with publishers; I am sure something like
that exists all over the world. If all Origami authors had
some kind of lobby, I am sure publishers would have to behave
themselves.

> But from what I have seen of the publishing process, I agree with
> Matthias and am without evidence, I am not ready to roast Tuyen for
> words over which he may have had no control.

I have no personal experience with publishing. So all I write is based
on what I hear or see from others.

"Control" maybe is the keyword. In scientific journals,
with the peer review process and all, the author has control
over his work, but also he is controlled by his peers.
No editor could even try to change the text because of marketing
reasons, and the author simply cannot afford to write anything
that is totally wrong.

So one possible solution might be to position Origami in the Science
market; make it a science, and make sure nothing is published without
proper editing/reviewing by someone who KNOWS what he/she is doing.

Another solution would be to get the Origami Societies to publish
(more) Origami books. I have no idea what the financial situation
of those Societies is. But I think it would be well worth the effort
if they tried to publish books (actually, I have no idea whether
they aren`t doing just that nowadays). Every Origamist would love
to buy an accurate and high-quality Origami book, and the profit
would go to Origami-related work instead of some publishing sharks.

Matthias





Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 17:26:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Yoshizawa book "Origami: Living Nature"

The OUSA update slip to the supply catalog lists this book, but has no
ISBN.  The catalog entry reads:

Yoshizawa/ORIGAMI: LIVING NATURE: This beautiful new book by the
grandmaster has been long awaited and was well worth the wait.  Many
photos, some in color.  198 pp. Paperback   Intermediate to complex
B20-340  $55.00

Has anyone seen this book yet?  I can't imagine a Yoshizawa book that
wouldn't be worth getting, but without publication info... I'd just as
soon not get a duplicate at $55 a pop!

I searched the message archives and didn't find any (obvious)

-D'gou





Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 18:24:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: Lisa Hodsdon <Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com>
Subject: Re: Origami Publishing (was:Re: Tuyen)

Matthias (Tanjit @ bboxbbs.ch) responded to the discussion about
"who are these editors, anyway???":

I feel the need to respond. Not that I can defend the editors
in question. Not that I have any idea what goes on in trade.
(trade = fiction and popular non-fiction, origami books are
published by trade divisions)  I do have experience in publishing.

>This sounds quite bad. But how about "serious" literature <snip>
>authors <snip>; did they have their
>books re-written/remodeled/changed almost beyond recognition too?
In text books, yes, some authors *do* get their books "re-written/
remodeled/changed almost beyond recognition." The books I work
on are generally written by an author team, so we edit for
consistency. The editors are all trained in the content area and
are concerned that the content be clear and well-written. Still,
some authors relinquish less control than others.

My *guess* is that some publishing houses have more respect for
trade authors than others. ("Respect" --> they don't rewrite the
text too much.) While there aren't many publishers who will publish
origami books, there must be some editors at those houses with more
respect for authorial opinion than others.

A question for the professionals: As a trade author, do you have any
input on who edits your books? If you go back to the same publishing
house for another book, do you get to work with the same editor so
you can build a relationship with them?

<Matthais is now speaking of scientific journals...>
>No editor could even try to change the text because of marketing
>reasons, and the author simply cannot afford to write anything
>that is totally wrong.

Ah, but a publisher will only publish for marketing reasons! This
sad truth is part of scientific publishing also. It's simply that
scientific journals wouldn't sell if authors didn't have complete
control of their contributions.

>make sure nothing is published without proper editing/reviewing by
>someone who KNOWS what he/she is doing.

Wouldn't it be great if we could get a publisher to hire an editor
to work on origami books? Anyone out there looking for a job? If
a publisher had an editor (even, possibly, a free-lance editor) who
was respected by origami authors and who knew the material, then
more origami authors might go to that publisher. Granted, the
origami market isn't large, but I bet it's big enough to support
a few good editors.

>Another solution would be to get the Origami Societies to publish
>(more) Origami books.

That would very nicely keep the money in the community, but having
a broader base of book topics protects the publisher against the
possibility of a poor-selling book. Look at what happened to BOS
with those conference proceedings. (I'm sorry, I don't remember the
title of the book or conference.) As I understand it, they put a
lot of their book-printing budget into printing the proceedings and
now have a lot of books in the warehouse and very little money for
printing new books.

>Every Origamist would love
>to buy an accurate and high-quality Origami book, and the profit
>would go to Origami-related work instead of some publishing sharks.

Remember that if we find a publisher (origami society or publishing
shark) who is willing to grant authorial control and hire a good
editor, we have to support them by buying the books. That means
laying out the bucks for your very own copy---no photocopying and
no posting diagrams on the net.

Lisa Hodsdon
Editor, McDougal Littell (A Houghton Mifflin Company)
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 20:36:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pat Slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: Some great photo tips

Thought perhaps some other people interested in photographing their models
might find this page of tips helpful:

http://wallstreet.colorado.edu/envd_mosaic_files/vis_res/vrc_Photo_Your_Proj
ect.html

It is written more for architecture students (with SLRs and access to studio
lighting) but it all apllies to origami models as well.

Surfing for fun again, but, hey, I don't have a TV!

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 21:30:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kim Best <kim.best@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: reactions to tips

I've found that when folding money for tips, it's best to keep it
simple.  I've been able to fold the pegasus, and the deer from Lang's
"Complete Origami", using a dollar bill.  But under low lighting
conditions it just looks like a crumpled bill.

But when I fold the walrus from Montroll's "Origami Sculptures", I get
Ooo's and Ahhh's everytime.

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 22:39:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: motorcycle model?

On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Amber Stevens wrote:

=I am looking for instructions on how to fold a motorcycle or a bike or a
=moped of any kind, but I don't seem to be having any luck.  Does anyone
=know where I can find such a model?

As Marc has said, there are two great motorcycles in YOSHINO Issei's book,
"Issei Super Complex Origami", published by Origami House. You can also do a
search on Alex Bateman's web page for other motorcycle models.
<http://www.mrc-cpe.cam.ac.uk/jong/agb/origami.html>

=Also, does anyone know of any origami clubs in the Seattle area?  I'm
=pretty new to origami, but I just can't stop folding!

Yup. It's called PAPER (Puget Area Paperfolding Enthusiasts Roundtable).
Here's the relavent information from Mark Morden's homepage
<http://www.eskimo.com/~marmonk/origami.htm>:

A new Seattle-area paper folders group has formed. All are invited to our
monthly get togethers. The next meeting will be on Sunday, April 6, at the
University Heights Community Center, 5031 University Way NE.(This is the old,
yellow elementary school thay closed a few years back) We will meet from 1:00
bill butterfly, a dolphin from the Tanteidan newsletter and an original fold
of two cranes in a bird bath. If you need directions to the building or more
information, please e-mail me at the address at the bottom of the page. We
look forward to meeting and sharing with you. Come fold with PAPER!

Mark's e-mail address is <marmonk@mail.eskimo.com>. It looks like the April
meeting has just passed, but there's always May! 8)

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:19:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@erols.com>
Subject: Duo-Color Wet-Folding Paper?

Dear Folders,

I am looking for commercial available duo-color paper for wet-folding.
Is there any? If not, any hand-made solution?

Thanks a lot!

|------------------------------------------------------\
|  _     Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) <chens@asme.org>     |\
| |_| Folding http://www.erols.com/sychen1/pprfld.html --\





Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:22:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Allen Parry <parry@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: motorcycle model?

> From: Amber Stevens <AmberS@rosestudios.com>

> I am looking for instructions on how to fold a motorcycle or a bike or a
> moped of any kind, but I don't seem to be having any luck.  Does anyone
> know where I can find such a model?
>
> Also, does anyone know of any origami clubs in the Seattle area?  I'm
> pretty new to origami, but I just can't stop folding!
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------
Amber,

Here's a double answer.  I have a dollar bill bicycle and I go to the
Seattle Origami Group (Paper)  My bike stands up on it own, it has wheels,
handlebars, a seat....Come to the Seattle Origami meeting and I'll show you

how to make it.  Bring some crisp new bills.  The next Seattle meeting is
planned for May 4th.

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 01:20:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: hull@MATH.URI.EDU
Subject: Re: Origami Publishing (was:Re: Tuyen)

Hi Everybody!

Now, I'm entering this discussion late (due to having my origami-l
service set to "postpone", apparently by divine intervention),
so perhaps someone else has said this before, but as a published
author I wanted to say a few things.

Matthais writes:
>>>>
Another solution would be to get the Origami Societies to publish
(more) Origami books.
>>>>

We do.  OrigamiUSA has self-published many books, including our ever-
popular Annual Collection every year.  However, we (with other small
independent publishers) have no way to distribute our books to
the mass market.  Thus our books can only be purchased at conventions
or via mail order.

Then Lisa Hodsdon wrote:
>>>>
Wouldn't it be great if we could get a publisher to hire an editor
to work on origami books? Anyone out there looking for a job? If
a publisher had an editor (even, possibly, a free-lance editor) who
was respected by origami authors and who knew the material, then
more origami authors might go to that publisher.
>>>>

Well then, everybody should go out and buy all of St. Martin's Press'
origami books, 'cause this is exactly what they do!  When I
was working on _Origami, Plain and Simple_ with Bob Neale, we were
tickled to learn that St. Martin's had hired the legendary * Sam Randlett *
to do the copy editing for our book, and I have since learned that
they ask Sam to copy edit all of their origami books before they
are published.  Also, recently my editor cared enough about the
quality of the origami books they produce to ask me if I knew
of any other origamists who would be willing to "beta test" books
for them.  I thus gave her a list of names, and later learned that
these people were contacted to do just this, for a modest honorarium,
at that!
        So at least St. Martin's Press makes an effort to have their
origami books meet the standards of the origami community.
        Further, I can say personally that I have been treated with
nothing but respect by the folks at St. Martin's.  They don't
butcher my work and are willing to listen and compromise (or even
cave in to) my wishes as an author.  I highly recommend them for
anyone interested in having their book published.

----- Tom "jive talkin" Hull
      hull@math.uri.edu
      http://www.math.uri.edu/~hull





Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 01:38:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Duo-Color Wet-Folding Paper?

On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) wrote:

=I am looking for commercial available duo-color paper for wet-folding.
=Is there any? If not, any hand-made solution?

One word (or two...I don't think it's ever been settled): backcoating. See my
web page for details.

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:04:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: JESPER LARSEN <940094@udd.aalsem.dk>
Subject: Cat people

This is not about origami - it's about cats, but origami people love
cats - don't they? Anyway - some of you has been talking about this
subject lately. This text relates to the old "psychological profile"
topic (originally started by me).

Identikit picture or psychological profile of the cat lover (based on
dozens of interviews with people who live with dogs, cats and other
animals).

Those who live with cats... (or those who love cats...)

 1) ... greatly resemble their animals.
 2) ... are more fond of the quiet life.
 3) ... especially dislike crowds, large parties and popular noisy
events.
 4) ... are more impervious than most to fashions.
 5) ... live their own lives as they see fit.
 6) ... does everything possible to steer clear of difficulties.
 7) ... change where they work when things turn sour.
 8) ... are not enthusiastic about small children (only 30 percent
say they like them).
 9) ... are not particularly overjoyed by the company of a group of
adolescents (15 percent do not like them).
10) ... values self-reliance and independence.
11) ... has little inclination to become involved in the lives of
others (men with aggressive voices score low, as do women with shrill
ones).
12) ... wish neither to dominate nor to be dominated.
13) ... prefer freedom to dependence.

This extract from "Cats" (A. S. J. Tessimond) captures the essence of
felinity:

Cats, no less liquid than their shadows,
Offer no angles to the wind,
They slip, diminished, neat, through loopholes
Less than themselves; will not be pinned
To rules or routes for journeys;...

Michael Joseph
"To a Siamese Cat"

I shall walk in the sun alone
Whose golden light you loved:
I shall sleep alone
And, stirring, touch an empty place:
I shall write uninterrupted
(Would that your gentle paw
Could stray my moving pen just once
again!)
I shall see beauty
But none to match your living grace:
I shall hear music
But not so sweet as the droning song
With which you loved me.
I shall fill my days
But I shall not, cannot forget:
Sleep soft, dear friend,
For while I live you shall not die.





Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:12:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: JESPER LARSEN <940094@udd.aalsem.dk>
Subject: Another cat poem

Another cat poem:

James Boswell
"A Matrimonial Thought"

In the blithe days of honeymoon,
With Kate's allurements smitten,
I lov'd her late, I lov'd her soon,
And call'd her dearest kitten.
But now my kitten's grown a cat,
And cross like other wives,
O! by my soul, my honest mat,
I fear she has nine lives.





Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:30:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Re: motorcycle model?

Allen Parry wrote:
> Come to the Seattle Origami meeting and I'll show you
> how to make it.  Bring some crisp new bills.
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Not bigger than $50, unmarked, mixed serial numbers,
and don`t call the cops or the bike is dead, right? <g>.

Matthias





Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:32:51 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Re: Origami Publishing

Hi Lisa, and everybody else of course!

Lisa Hodsdon wrote:
> In text books, yes, some authors *do* get their books "re-written/
> remodeled/changed almost beyond recognition." The books I work
> on are generally written by an author team, so we edit for
> consistency. The editors are all trained in the content area and
> are concerned that the content be clear and well-written. Still,
> some authors relinquish less control than others.

I agree that editing is necessary. A brilliant Origami creator
isn`t necessarily a brilliant writer. And I don`t even mind if
a book is heavily edited; I think it is sometimes necessary to
make a book readable. What you describe must be like paradise for
any author :-).
But editing is only OK as long as the editor doesn`t
put stuff in that is so obviously WRONG it makes me shake my
head in disbelief. I am pretty new to Origami, so I bet that
sometimes I can`t tell fact from fiction when it comes to Origami.
But I have some experience with inaccurate writing, outright lies,
and manipulation, and that is what I was concerned about. There
are lots of examples in the Origami books I have read so far;
this wouldn`t happen if those books were edited in the way you
described above: by editors that are trained in the content area.

(about scientific journals)
> Ah, but a publisher will only publish for marketing reasons! This
> sad truth is part of scientific publishing also. It's simply that
> scientific journals wouldn't sell if authors didn't have complete
> control of their contributions.

Yep, you`re right of course. I guess there would be a revolution
if the APA`s Journals started editing articles <g>.

> Wouldn't it be great if we could get a publisher to hire an editor
> to work on origami books? Anyone out there looking for a job? If
> a publisher had an editor (even, possibly, a free-lance editor) who
> was respected by origami authors and who knew the material, then
> more origami authors might go to that publisher.

Hey, I am looking for a job! Are you hiring? <g>.
Only problem is, nobody out there knows me, and I don`t know
enough about Origami yet :-(.
Ermm... and my first language is german, not english.
And I don`t know diddly about publishing... <g>.

> Remember that if we find a publisher (origami society or publishing
> shark) who is willing to grant authorial control and hire a good
> editor, we have to support them by buying the books. That means
> laying out the bucks for your very own copy---no photocopying and
> no posting diagrams on the net.

Well, I don`t know what other people do. I buy Origami books for
the pictures <g> and diagrams; I prefer books to loose papers
floating around; and I love buying good books.
Besides, getting a good photocopy of a colour picture is usually
very difficult, and the diagrams (esp. with grayshades) tend
to be unreadable when photocopied.

Diagrams on the net are a very good way to learn about an author.
If you like his/her style, you are likely to buy his/her book,
because folding in front of a computer is so awkward;
there`s always a keyboard in the way, the screensaver keeps
popping up, and coffee mugs tend to fall off the table...
besides, the online Origami folk seem to be very
copyright-aware. Everybody knows everybody else, and I think
nobody would dare to put diagrams stolen out of an existing book
on his/her homepage.

Ah well, that`s it for now.

Matthias





Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:16:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: rick@tridelta.com (Rick Bissell)
Subject: The Origami Source (OUSA)

Can someone tell me if it is possible to place
orders with "The Origami Source" via fax, phone,
or email?   The order form that I have on hand
doesn't have any indication that you can.

Thanks for any info.

   -- Rick





Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:18:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: Brett Askinazi <brett@hagerhinge.com>
Subject: Re: Thirds (was Re: Thanks)

No offense taken.

Thanks for the parallel lines tip Im a gonna try it ;)

----------
> From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp+@transarc.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject: Re: Thirds (was Re: Thanks)
> Date: Thursday, April 03, 1997 2:58 PM
>
> In an earlier message I replied to Brett with:
> +I HATE!!! that method.  Probably cause I never got good at it.
>
> That came out sounding harsher than I intended, sorry.  I don't mean to
> discourage anyone who likes it, NOR do I mean to discourage anyone from
trying
> it!
>
> -D'gou





Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:39:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Brett Askinazi <brett@hagerhinge.com>
Subject: Re: Origami Philosophy (Was: Re: non-convex paper)

I don't care about why I happened so much as, I don't remember anyone ever
responding to it.

Jerry Harris ASKED;

>        Here's an origami philosophical question that springs to mind from
>all this:  obviously, some models (say, for example, Dave Brill's "Horse")
>are made from non-square paper (in this case, an equilateral triangle).
>_But_, if we first fold the equilateral triangle from a square, then isn't
>the model folded from a square?  Similarly, isn't folding a "Flapping
Bird"
>from a dollar bill making the model from a
>1:something-point-something-something-something instead of a square, even
>though one must first fold the bill into a square and then proceed?  Where
>does one draw the line?

Using a few examples from Montrolls Mythical creatures and Animals of the
Chinese Zodiac (one of my favorite books) many of the forms start with a
book type fold ( 1/4ths ) and then proceed from there.   This essentially
makes starts these models with a 2x1 rectangle.  Is the model inferior or
less attractive ?  No.

Starting with a square and then folding another shape and then starting
from the point of that shape, is what origami is all about.  In most cases
the preliminary shape forms the basis of the final shape of the model, i.e.
long and narrow, tall, fat, short, etc.

Also when you start with a square and then fold a triangle for example, you
have extra paper to work with that can become some other part of the model.
 If you had started with a cut triangle this extra paper would not be
present, and the model would appear different.

Anyone else care to comment ?

Brett
brett@hagerhinge.com





Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:50:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kerwood Jeffry J <kerwood.jj@mellon.com>
Subject: RE: Duo-Color Wet-Folding Paper?

>From: Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)
>Subject: Duo-Color Wet-Folding Paper?
>Date: Wednesday, April 09, 1997 11:20PM
>
>I am looking for commercial available duo-color
>paper for wet-folding.
>Is there any? If not, any hand-made solution?

Try "elephant paper" from FF (see Fascinating Folds
link from Joseph Wu's page).

Jeff Kerwood
kerwood.jj@mellon.com





Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:02:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kerwood Jeffry J <kerwood.jj@mellon.com>
Subject: RE: Duo-Color Wet-Folding Paper?

SY>I am looking for commercial available duo-color
SY>paper for wet-folding.
SY>Is there any? If not, any hand-made solution?

ME>Try "elephant paper" from FF (see Fascinating Folds
ME>link from Joseph Wu's page).

OOPS, I was thinking one color both sides.

Jeff Kerwood
kerwood.jj@mellon.com





Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:52:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: OFTC availability?

In connection with an inquiry about something on
my web site, a correspondent mentioned in passing that
"he has Origami Connoisseur on order."

I thought OFTC was out of print?? I know some folks in
past "ordered it" only to have the bookseller come back
later and say it was no longer actually available. :-{
Has this situation changed?

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com
