




Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 21:57:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Re: Tuyen (long, like most of my postings. But at least it is On Topic)

Hi!
(yes I know this is a short greeting, I couldnt
come up with anything else).

Joseph Wu wrote (about Tuyen):
JW> the Vietnamese equivalent. He is not an uneducated man (if I
remember
JW> correctly, he is an architect).

In the book "Origami- Neue Figuren fuer Fortgeschrittene",
published 1996 in the Falken Verlag, it says that Tuyen is
teaching at the "Hochschule fuer Architektur"
("university for architecture" or something) in Hanoi.

JW> Maybe I'm overreacting to this,
JW> but there are enough misconceptions about origami out there that we
don't need
JW> more being disseminated this way.

It is true that there are a lot of strange things happening.
Authors "forget" to credit the inventor of a model,
facts are mixed with fiction, etc.
Origami is treated as "fun", not as "science". Maybe
this explains why some people don`t care about
ownership or accuracy.

I think part of the problem of "misconceptions" might be
that those people that actually write, or translate, a
book have no idea, or don`t care, what they are writing about.
The main thing is selling the book.
One small example: It says (on the back cover of
"Origami. Neue Ideen fuer Fortgeschrittene") that the author
(Tuyen) has developed,  specially for this book, 9 bases.
This sounds very cool and impressive, but it is obviously
not true. I am sure Tuyen didn`t write/say it, and
inside the book I don`t find this claim. Two bases are
clearly stated to be traditional; I only found 4 bases
which are clearly stated to be his invention. Since I haven`t
seen them anywhere else, I tend to believe this
(although someone with more knowledge might know better).
Which leaves three bases of which I couldn`t find
any information about where they come from. This is
(in my opinion) sloppy work some editor delivered here.
The diagrams, however, are by Tuyen himself. They
are very clear and easy to follow. And the actual
models are great.

The problem seems to be that marketing is more important
than truth. Don`t blame Tuyen, blame the person that
writes the text on the flap, and the editor that can`t
do a good job.

Matthias Gutfeldt





Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 21:55:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Tips

> << Adding to the thread...
>  I have left many folded dollar bill tip. About 50% have

We don`t have dollar bills over here in Switzerland;
the smallest bill is sFr. 10.-, which is a bit much
as a "tip" :-).
But I`ve started folding the little papers under the
coffee cup into tiny boxes to put the tip in.
(wetfolding when they spilled the coffee on it...).
Good practice: Those papers are usually not bigger than
5x5 cm (about 3x3 inches?). I know some people fold
cranes out of 1x1mm- paper, but I`m 5x5cm is about
as small as I can handle right now <g>.

Matthias Gutfeldt aka Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch
http://www.bboxbbs.ch/home/tanjit/

(Old Origamists don`t die, they just fold away...)





Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 22:15:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Richard of Foong <ryf@ecr.mu.oz.au>
Subject: I've got some questions...

> Does anyone know who I can contact
> concerning OUSA membership? I sent
> in my membership form back in January
> and have not heard anything to date.

On that note, I was wondering, does this society take people from
overseas? (country in particular is Australia. :) )

Also, Can anyone tell me where I could find that Ori Fantasy down here in
Melbourne? I haven't found many copies of anything.

okay, a few more questions... Feel free to answer or not. :)

1. In Origami Sea Life (great book, thanks to John and Robert :) ), I'm
having problems with step 46 to 47. I just cant get this step through.

2. Is it possible to get diagrams for a klingon bird of prey? I remember
someone told me that it was done b4.

3. ...and a grand piano and violin?

4. Last question... How about star wars models? I would LOVE to see models
of Star Wars in paper.

OK, sorry about all these demands, I hope you ppls can help. :)

Thanks.
Richard.





Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 22:11:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Backes, Nancy J (MN17)" <nbackes@p04.mn17.honeywell.com>
Subject: re: OUSA

Mark McKinnon wrote:

>>Does anyone know who I can contact
>>concerning OUSA membership? I sent
>>in my membership form back in January
>>and have not heard anything to date.

Unfortunately, I can't help.  I can sympathize though, exactly the same
thing is happening with me.
I was going to write to the group also to see what anyone knows about it.
 I sent my form and check
at the end of January.  A full month later at the end of February my
check was cashed and cleared
my bank.  But here it is already April, 5 weeks after the check was
cashed (more than 2 months after
I sent it) and I haven't heard or received anything from OUSA.
I called last week but did not get to talk to a person - I did leave a
message though.  Still nothing.  When
is a good time to call to ensure I will get to talk to a person?

Sorry I can't help, but you are not alone.

Nancy Backes
71623.3676@compuserve.com





Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 22:08:07 -0300 (ADT)
From: preaux <preaux@univ-lyon1.fr>
Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Origami

Rodney Fetveit wrote:
>
> > >
> > >     I am looking for detailed diagrams (*.PDF) of dollar bill folds.
>
> Not to sound stupid or anything...BUT
> How do you use *.pdf files??
>
> Rodney
use Acrobat reader (for mac or pc) to see or print pdf files...
You can have it for free on the net

cyrille





Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 22:17:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: Richard of Foong <ryf@ecr.mu.oz.au>
Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Tips

On Thu, 3 Apr 1997 mym@lucent.com wrote:

> Adding to the thread...
>
> I have left many folded dollar bill tip. About 50% have
> really enjoyed it and can't wait till I come in again. In
> some cases they have even fought over serving me.

I'll also add my bit, but I don't know if its been said or not...

I was just thinking, I've tried to fold a couple of bits of money for
tips, but its really annoying with these damn plastic notes we have over
here. :(

Richard.





Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 22:25:43 -0300 (ADT)
From: Fred <fred@linf.unb.br>
Subject: Re: Plans & available origami diagrams

(...)
> List the reference to published diagrams
> Offer to send copies by regular mail or prior arrangement by email
> Post the diagrams in the origami-L mail list archives (by prior arrangement
>    with the archivist); anyone can access the archive with their Web browser,
>    or FTP

        if anyone can write me some FTP's, I thanks.

                                 Fred
                                 fred@linf.unb.br
PS: words in portuguese: gostaria de saber sobre brasileiros nessa lista.
meu ingles e' muito ruim :( .





Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 22:09:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kimberly Crane <kcrane@kimscrane.com>
Subject: TEST!

Test to see if we have been dropped from list server.





Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 22:13:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: tabitha@bws.bws.com (tabitha c. whiteside)
Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Origami

>Here's a "tip" for you. They seem to respond to the Dollar Bill Shirt the
>best. I do one of two things; 1) take a dime and leave it above the collar
>using the president's bust as a head sticking out of the collar, or, 2) lay
>the dollar bill shirt beneath the president's head of one of the bills left
>as a tip. The dime works best though!

if someone would send me instructions for the shirt i'd be grateful.
i only know the simple bowtie.  :-(

-tabitha   8-3

p.s. snail mail or via the list, either way it's fine.  i have eudora if it
helps.





Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 22:19:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: RA Kennedy <kennedra@isdugp.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Model Search - Max Hulme's Box

> >box w/ attached lid (any models besides Dave Brill's in Brilliant Origami?)
> If you fold Max Hulme's "Jack in the Box" sans Jack, you will get what you
> are looking for. I have done this many times. Instaed of starting with a
> 2x1 rectangle, begin with a square, and ignore the folds that occur at the
> far end of the rectangle. This model was in the 1981 Annual Collection from
> Origami USA, and an even older BOS magazine. It was republished, but I do
> not know where off-hand.

"Complete Origami" by Eric Kenneway  pages 31-34

Richard K.
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)





Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 22:27:22 -0300 (ADT)
From: Molly Haarhoff <mhaarhof@stimpy.acofi.edu>
Subject: Re: looking for jumping frog from 2:1 rectangle

I have diagrammed the frog Marc has dexcribed for you.  (At least, I
think it's the same one.)  Let me know privately if you want me to mail
you the diagrams.
..Was just playing last week-end with one of those frogs some friends
had--we had them jumping all over the dinner table!
I love doing origami frogs, and that's definitely the best jumping one.
Sincerely
Molly Haarhoff
Albertson College of Idaho Library





Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 22:24:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Origami

>> >
>> >     I am looking for detailed diagrams (*.PDF) of dollar bill folds.
>
>Not to sound stupid or anything...BUT
>How do you use *.pdf files??
>
>Rodney

I have about half a dozen dollar bill folds on my home page that I maintain
with my son, Bill.  Pdf files need to be viewed with Adobe Acrobat Reader
3.0, which can be downloaded for free.  Afer being downloaded using
Navigator or Explorer they can be viewed on the screen or printed out.
Navigator has a provision for storing PDFviewer as a plugin, and can be
viewed on the Navigator screen.  Otherwise, use the Acrobat Reader to open
the downloaded file on your hard disk somewhere.
James M. Sakoda.  Web Page for origami drawings in compact PDF form:
http://idt.net/~kittyv  .
Requires Adobe Acrobat Reader 3.0 which can be downloaded free from
http://www.adobe.com/acrobat





Date: Sun, 06 Apr 1997 22:21:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: spherical model

I have been playing with variations on the following model for the
last month.  I hope you all will enjoy it.  I am indebted to Paul
Jackson for the inspiration that led to its discovery.

Using a square of stiff paper or light card stock, 3-5 inches across,
score four half circlular arcs on the paper, each with a radius that
is one fourth the length of the square's diagonal, one centered on
each of the square's four edges.  Each arc will just touch the two
arcs on either side of it.  Mountain fold the scored lines, rolling
each of the half-circles gently into a partial cone.  The paper will
somewhat resemble a balloon base.  In the same way that six balloon
bases can be assembled into a sort of skeletal octahedron, six of
these go together to make a ball with eight conical dimples.  If you
are not familiar with the ballon base model, it works by alternating
slipping the point of one module inside or outside the point of an
adjacent module.

  -----------------------
 |    |             |    |
 |...  .           .  ...|
 |   .. ..       .. ..   |
 |     .   .....   .     |
 |      .         .      |
 |      .         .      |
 |      .         .      |
 |     .           .     |
 |   ..    .....    ..   |
 |...   ..       ..   ...|
 |     .           .     |
 |    |             |    |
  -----------------------

There are a number of related models that can be made with the
symmetries of other polyhedra.  And of course, this model can be
easily modified to be made out of ... business cards!

The mathematics of this model are fairly interesting.  There is some
cheating go on, in that, for the model to exist in a mathematically
pure form, the arcs that must be drawn are not true circles, but are
curves of a rather complex equation that turns out to differ from a
true circle at its worst point by less than 2 percent.  If you really
want to know the truth, I can post more details.

        -- Jeannine Mosely





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 05:10:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Re: Origami Philosophy (Was: Re: non-convex paper)

>        Here's an origami philosophical question that springs to mind from
>all this:

        I have no idea why this message, which I posted months ago, was
just yanked back up to the forefront of the list -- quirk in the system, I
guess.  Anyone know what's goin' on?

Jerry D. Harris                       (214) 768-2750
Dept. of Geological Sciences          FAX:  768-2701
Southern Methodist University
Box 750395                            jdharris@post.smu.edu
Dallas  TX  75275-0395                (Compuserve:  102354,2222)

"Science _does_ have all the answers...we just don't have
all the science."

                                -- James Morrow





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 05:03:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: whoops

Sorry, folks - if the list has received a couple of "review origami-l"
messages.  I seem to have been bumped again and confused my alias names.
I'm not getting any bounced messages or any other messages from the list.

Carol Hall
chall@scsn.net





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 05:07:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: I've got some questions...

On Sun, 6 Apr 1997, Richard of Foong wrote:

<OrigamiUSA stuff deleted>

=On that note, I was wondering, does this society take people from
=overseas? (country in particular is Australia. :) )

Yes. And so do most origami societies around the world. In fact, many of them
rely on international members for information on what's going on elsewhere.

=Also, Can anyone tell me where I could find that Ori Fantasy down here in
=Melbourne? I haven't found many copies of anything.

Origami Fantasy (and Issei Super Complex Origami) is published by Origami
House itself as a "Gallery Book". Therefore, it is only distributed by Origami
House, so it is not usually available at regular bookstores. Try writing
directly to Yamaguchi for a copy. I've sent the address out to the list
many times. E-mail me privately if you don't have it.

=okay, a few more questions... Feel free to answer or not. :)

Oh, but I've got this "reputation" to uphold. 8)

=1. In Origami Sea Life (great book, thanks to John and Robert :) ), I'm
=having problems with step 46 to 47. I just cant get this step through.

Steps 46 to 47 of which model?

=2. Is it possible to get diagrams for a klingon bird of prey? I remember
=someone told me that it was done b4.

Don't have this one.

=3. ...and a grand piano and violin?

With or without the musicians?

=4. Last question... How about star wars models? I would LOVE to see models
=of Star Wars in paper.

Well, there's the X-wing fighter that I came up with years ago, and that
someone on this list (I forget who at the moment) added engines to. It's on a
home page somewhere...

=OK, sorry about all these demands, I hope you ppls can help. :)

No problem.

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 05:09:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Marking sites with diagrams (was Re: Alex's new web URL)

On Sun, 6 Apr 1997, David Jacobs wrote:

=Valerie Vann wrote:
=>
=> Joseph,
=>
=> Maybe you could just add one of, or a new one of,
=> your little origami icons to the listings to indicate
=> which sites have diagrams...
=>
=> -valerie
=you can preview Postscript documnets using ghostview
=http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/index.html
=It works well enough to print out and preveiw on non postscript printers
=and it's free!!

David, I think you misunderstood what Valerie was talking about. She means
that I should have a special icon to mark those sites that have diagrams on my
list of origami sites on the Internet.

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 05:12:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: Robert Maldonado <robertma@csufresno.edu>
Subject: Getting dropped from the list

It just happened to me too.  Seems to be increasing (or folk are getting
more vocal).  What's up?  I'm back on by resetting the listserv to ACK.

Robert D. Maldonado
Philosophy Department
CSU, Fresno
Fresno, CA 93740-0105
(209) 278-2879
(209) 278-6484 FAX
robert_maldonado@CSUFresno.edu





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 05:15:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: rhudson@netrax.net (Hudson-Robert)
Subject: convention tips

Hi all!

I'm putting together a list of convention tips, tricks, sources of stuff in
New York city, eating, packing (like... bring your own towels!), and the
like.  I'd like to take contributions from everyone on the list. If you'd
care to share an experience or helpful hint, e-mail it to me.  I'll post
the page sometime next week.

Rob





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 05:14:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pat Slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: listserver burp?

After not getting any digests for a fwe days, I suddenly got three of them
all at once. Even stranger I suddenly got a few random messages from as far
back as December. I also noticed signs in the digests that others have been
bumped again....

Methinks this listserver has indigestion!

pat slider.





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 05:22:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: mplewinska@earthlink.net (Magdalena Cano Plewinska)
Subject: Re: OUSA

On Sun, 6 Apr 1997 22:09:48 -0300 (ADT), "Backes, Nancy J (MN17)"
<nbackes@p04.mn17.honeywell.com>  wrote:

>[snip] more than 2 months after I sent [the check] and I haven't heard
>or received anything from OUSA.

It took months before I got anything, too. I think they wait for the
next issue of the newsletter to be ready for mailing before sending
you anything. I do wish they would at least send a postcard
acknowledgment, though.

   - Magda Plewinska
     Miami, FL, USA
     Email: mplewinska@earthlink.net





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 05:17:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: rhudson@netrax.net (Hudson-Robert)
Subject: Steve

Hi all:

Sorry to post this to the list, but ...

I've been trying to e-mail Steve Matheson, but have had no luck getting in
touch.  I'm afraid I may have the wrong address.  Does anyone know what his
current e-mail address is?  Are you still on the list, Steve?

Thanks!

Rob





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 05:19:31 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: spherical model

On Sun, 6 Apr 1997, Jeannine Mosely wrote:

=I have been playing with variations on the following model for the
=last month.  I hope you all will enjoy it.  I am indebted to Paul
=Jackson for the inspiration that led to its discovery.

<description of the module deleted>

This is very interesting to me, because just yesterday I was considering the
possibilities of using curved creases to make a round bowl. Also, when I was
at Origami House, I played with using Jackson's methods for making various
models, including a cat face.

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 05:24:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: JESPER LARSEN <940094@udd.aalsem.dk>
Subject: Duckman

Greetings fellow folders.

Cornfed is one of us! Cornfed is (as you know) detective Duckman's
highly intelligent and multi talented "masculine voice" assistant in
the world of P.I.'s. One of his major interests are...yes...origami.
He can fold a huge and very impressive mansion (or castle) from a
small matchbox. And he can do it in a flash. I have never before seen
such fast moving fingers. By the way this is odd...he has no
fingers...he is a pig. He must be a real gifted being. He can also
fold ninja weapons that actually works. Very strange.
As he says: "Origami can be deadly" Hmmm.

Jesper
(Be well).





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 06:58:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: Marty Katz <mandrk@pb.net>
Subject: Re: ORU #16 is out

 This issue's theme is on simple origami (so
> naturaly, they asked me for some of my work for inclusion). There is also
> some complex fare, and as always, the photography is very inspiring.
> Marc
>

Come on Marc of the marvelous complex creations. They could have
gotten almost anyone to give them simple ones.

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 11:19:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: Alasdair Post-Quinn <alasdair@staff.feldberg.brandeis.edu>
Subject: Re: Duckman

On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, JESPER LARSEN wrote:

> As he says: "Origami can be deadly" Hmmm.

Yes, and in the immortal words of Earthworm Jim, "never underestimate the
destructive power of origami"

peace,

Alasdair





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 11:45:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: David Jacobs <daj@powerup.com.au>
Subject: Re: I've got some questions...

Richard of Foong wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know who I can contact
> > concerning OUSA membership? I sent
> > in my membership form back in January
> > and have not heard anything to date.
>
> On that note, I was wondering, does this society take people from
> overseas? (country in particular is Australia. :) )
>
> Also, Can anyone tell me where I could find that Ori Fantasy down here in
> Melbourne? I haven't found many copies of anything.
>
> okay, a few more questions... Feel free to answer or not. :)
>
> 1. In Origami Sea Life (great book, thanks to John and Robert :) ), I'm
> having problems with step 46 to 47. I just cant get this step through.
>
> 2. Is it possible to get diagrams for a klingon bird of prey? I remember
> someone told me that it was done b4.
>
> 3. ...and a grand piano and violin?
>
> 4. Last question... How about star wars models? I would LOVE to see models
> of Star Wars in paper.
>
> OK, sorry about all these demands, I hope you ppls can help. :)
>
> Thanks.
> Richard.

Robert Lang's Complete book of Origami has a piano player and a violin
player in it Published by dover isbn 0-486-25837-8
The British Origami Society has published the Neil Elias notebooks these
also have diagrams for piano's. The models are very challenging but are
worth it.
As far as OUSA, I let my membership lapse as I found their magazine to
be waste of time, usually just local news, a couple of issues only had
one or two models in.
You can but books through their supplies even if you are not a member,
I have.
 Phyliss Meth
40-05 166th Street
Flushing NY
11358 USA
Where are you in oz I'm in Brisbane folding for years a member of the
British Origami Soc





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 11:44:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: David Jacobs <daj@powerup.com.au>
Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Tips

Richard of Foong wrote:
>
> On Thu, 3 Apr 1997 mym@lucent.com wrote:
>
> > Adding to the thread...
> >
> > I have left many folded dollar bill tip. About 50% have
> > really enjoyed it and can't wait till I come in again. In
> > some cases they have even fought over serving me.
>
> I'll also add my bit, but I don't know if its been said or not...
>
> I was just thinking, I've tried to fold a couple of bits of money for
> tips, but its really annoying with these damn plastic notes we have over
> here. :(
>
> Richard.

As we in Australia do not have the same tip culture as other nations I
have not experienced such frustrations trying to fold plastic money, it
always cracks. HOWEVER I do use the Sizzler Plastic Seniors Cards for
folding water resistant jumping frogs!!
David





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 11:52:22 -0300 (ADT)
From: AXPGUY@aol.com
Subject: Re: Alex's new web URL

In a message dated 97-04-06 21:01:21 EDT, you write:

> you can preview Postscript documnets using ghostview
>  http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/index.html
>  It works well enough to print out and preveiw on non postscript printers
>  and it's free!!
>

   Does that mean if youare using Adobe Reader (which seems to be one of the
more popular applications to view origami files on this list) that one would
need a "postscript" printer???  If so, just exactly what is a "Postscript"
printer??  Thanks for your help..

-Patrick  :)+<
-Love does not consist in gazing at each other
 but in looking outward together in the same direction.





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 12:02:22 -0300 (ADT)
From: Brett Askinazi <brett@hagerhinge.com>
Subject: Re: Model Search

Its also in Complete Origami by Eric Kenneway.  And I think one of those
Gay Merrill Gross books but I think this one is 2 piece.

----------
> From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject: Re: Model Search
> Date: Wednesday, April 02, 1997 12:18 AM
>
> At 09:24 PM 4/1/97 -0400, Marcia Mau <marcia.mau@pressroom.com> wrote:
> >I'm looking for the following models:
> >
> >a 3-D ice cream cone
> Never seen this one.
> >pendulum
> Seen this as part of Robert Lang's clock models.
> >box w/ attached lid (any models besides Dave Brill's in Brilliant
Origami?)
> If you fold Max Hulme's "Jack in the Box" sans Jack, you will get what
you
> are looking for. I have done this many times. Instaed of starting with a
> 2x1 rectangle, begin with a square, and ignore the folds that occur at
the
> far end of the rectangle. This model was in the 1981 Annual Collection
from
> Origami USA, and an even older BOS magazine. It was republished, but I do
> not know where off-hand.
>
> Marc





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 13:40:22 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: tips for making the spherical model

I got some private email questions about my spherical model, and I
thought I'd answer to the list, since others might find this
information useful.

If you're in the states, buy a pack of multi-colored 4"x6" index cards
at your local office supply.  If you can't get these, look for the
nearest local equivalent.  Use three colors, two of each, placing
modules of the same color opposite each other.

Get as good a compass as you can afford from a drafting store. Get the
kind that holds small pieces of lead (really graphite), not the kind
that holds a pencil.  These sometimes come with an extra point that
can be inserted instead of a lead.  Mine did, but I bought it a long
time ago and I lost it.  So I found a nail of the right diameter, cut
off the tip at a useable length and put it in the compass.  The end of
the nail was pretty rough and it tore up the paper, so I filed it down
a little.  (Well, I actually, I ground it with my Dremel tool, but a
file works and is more universally available.)

If you can't afford or find a good compass, you can still use the
cheap kind that holds a pencil.  Get a dowel the diameter of a pencil.
Cut off a short length of it and sharpen it in a pencil sharpener.  It
won't score the paper very well, but it should leave enough of an
indentation that you should be able to see it and go over it with some
other sharper tool.  Scoring tools have been discussed on this list
lately, so I won't go into that here.

Alternatively, you could find something circular to trace around.  The
world abounds in these, but probably none of them are just the right
diameter for the square you will be working with.  So, figure out what
the right size square is for the circle you are tracing, and adjust
your square.  The side of the square should be sqrt(2) = 1.414 times
the diameter of your circle.

        -- Jeannine Mosely





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 15:47:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Backes, Nancy J (MN17)" <nbackes@p04.mn17.honeywell.com>
Subject: Re: looking for jumping frog from 2:1 rectangle

I want to thank Marc and Molly for the information on the frog.  I had
come up with something very close to what Marc described when I tried to
remember how to do the frog I had seen.  However, the frog I am trying to
recreate definitely had distinct back legs/feet rather than just a pleat,
and the front legs were folded in at least one more time to become much
thinner and were then shaped with folds, perhaps reverse folds for a leg
joint.  Also, I think the back "jumping pleat" did not take up the full
back section of the frog.  The feet/legs were at the very back and the
pleat above or in front of them, so the pleat used, at most, 2/3 of the
back square, maybe only 1/2 .  Playing with the start that Marc mentioned
and modifying some, I came up with something a little closer to what I
remember, but it's still not quite right.  I guess I'll keep trying.  Any
other takers?
Thanks,
Nancy Backes  71623.3676@compuserve.com





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 15:37:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pat Slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: New Gross title?

A page at the Friedman/Fairfax site:

http://www.metrobooks.com/craftbooks/papercrafts.html

describes the title "Paper Creations" by Gay Merrill Gross. Is this a new
title or another reincarnation of "Art of Origami"? It isn't listed at
Amazon. Anyone know the release date?

If you know the answer, email me personally. I think I'm not getting list
mail again. (I'm spending my limited computer time relaxing with my book
pages versus answering email by the way. So please be patient if I haven't
answered a message.)

pat slider.





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 16:30:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: jtweres@lucent.com
Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Origami -- Tips: unappreciative to annoyed

Allen Parry writes:

> And then there is the
> frustration of the unappriciative waiter who only sees
> it as a dollar and it is unfolded immediately without even being looked at

yeah
    isn't it wonderful
    when you see the wait person
    just scoop it up and put it with their other money
    without "missing a step"

for tips
        my wife and i combine artistic talents
        where i will fold a shirt and pants
        (and possibly butteflies)
        and my wife will draw a scene on an unused napkin
        with a scene/them related to the restaurant

now let's turn from unappreciative to annoyed recipients
of dollar bill folds

        out with some friends to rent a video at blockbuster's
        -- when we were a dollar short
        i remembered that i had a pre-folded ring in my coat pocket
        and gave it to the teenage boy at the checkout
        who
           promptly with disgust said
           "what am i supposed to do with this???
            could you unfold this???"

        in my mind
        my response to him was
        "sure!!!  because it's rocket science to unfold it!!!"

        instead
        i just unfolded it for him

        the rest of the evening
        was filled with us re-enacting the scene
        "what am i supposed to do with this???"

  /-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-///plieur de papier\\\-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\
 /=-= jack thomas weres                         jtweres@lucent.com =-=\
/=======================\\\================///=========================\
"Let Go and Let Fold"                             "One Crease At A Time"





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 17:02:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: Yaacov Metzger <origami@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re; Dollar Bill Shirt Instructions

>From: tabitha@bws.bws.com (tabitha c. whiteside)
>Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Origami

>if someone would send me instructions for the shirt i'd be grateful.
>i only know the simple bowtie.  :-(

>-tabitha   8-3

>p.s. snail mail or via the list, either way it's fine.  i have eudora if
it
>helps.

Here are excellent text directions for the dollar bill shirt, from Bob
Lemieux, in a thread on origami-l about two years ago. The first version
was posted in June, 1995, very shortly after I had taken an interest in
origami (and subscribed to the list). This was the first model I discovered
the fire" of my passion for origami, which, I am glad to report is still
going strong two short years later!
There are two versions, with and without pants! Enjoy!

Yaacov Metzger
origami@worldnet.att.net
jrmetzger@aol.com
***********************************************************************
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 15:13:26 -0300
From: LEMIEUXJ@aspen.uml.edu
Subject: The shirt Off Your Back" with Pants

Hi All
Requests have been made that "The shirt Off Your Back" instructions
be posted once again.
I will take advantage of this opportunity to add a pair of pants.

"The shirt Off Your Back"
Use a US dollar bill, with these instructions, for interesting results.
With Washington's head visible, hold vertically with the larger 1's
on the left and the smaller 1's on the right.
Valley fold bottom of bill to the center of Washington's nose.
Use the now visible white line between eagle's head and shield as a center
line guide, and valley fold both vertical edges to center (Cupboard fold),
Hold the dollar vertically, with the two large 1's on the back of
dollar now visible at top.
Fold each bottom flap out by making a diagonal valley fold going from
Washington's nose (now hidden) to each bottom corner.
This will result in an inverted V shaped opening from the
hidden nose to the bottom of the dollar bill, exposing the eagle.
The two flaps now sticking out from the sides will form the sleeves.
Horizontal mountain fold the top 1/4" to the back of the bill.
Place right thumb nail at top of bill half way between left top corner
and center of bill (3/8" from corner).  Fold the corner down and
across so the tip touches the center -- this should make a valley fold
from your nail to the "E" in the word "THE".
It should now look like one-half of a shirt collar.
Duplicate the valley fold on the top right hand side of bill.
Curl the bottom of the bill up and tuck it under the shirt collar
so that seal forms a bib.
Hold the collar firmly down on the bottom of the bill so it won't
slip out as you complete the crease. Press flat.
Now you can leave the "shirt Off Your Back" as a tip.
-------
Once you have folded the shirt described above you may wish to
add a pair of pants.
Do this by taking a well pressed shirt and completely unfolding it.
Now instead of folding the lower portion up toward Washington's
head, fold to the back of the bill so that it bisects the very
large letter "O" in the word ONE between the pyramid and the eagle.
Next use the previous creases as guide to refold the bill into a shirt.
If all goes well you will now have a shirt with the round Federal
Reserve seal under the collar and part of a serial number running
down one side.
The big difference is the opening in the bottom, permitting the
insertion of a pair of pants.

To make a pair of paints, take a second bill and fold it in half
in the long direction. Unfold and use the center crease and a guide
to valley fold both vertical edges to center (Cupboard fold).
Refold on the center crease, so that the bill is now four layers thick.
Fold in half at an angle so that the two ends are splayed apart next
to each other forming the legs of the pants.
Insert the folded end into the opening in the bottom of the shirt.

This adaption of the traditional shirt was developed by Rachel Katz.
It is diagrammed in detail on page 23 of:
     Gross, Gay Merrill. "Art of Origami".
     BDD Promotional Book Co., 1993. ISBN: 0-7924-6841-9.
(Note: This book is no longer published as "Art of Origami" - however it IS
available, in paperback,  as "Origami Workshop")
Also included in the book are other appearance improving details
and variations.

Enjoy
Bob
J. Robert A. Lemieux
lemieuxj@woods.uml.edu





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 17:59:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kevin Kinney <kkinney@med.unc.edu>
Subject: Re: New Gross title?

> http://www.metrobooks.com/craftbooks/papercrafts.html
>
> describes the title "Paper Creations" by Gay Merrill Gross. Is this a new
> title or another reincarnation of "Art of Origami"? It isn't listed at
> Amazon. Anyone know the release date?
>
> If you know the answer, email me personally. I think I'm not getting list
> mail again. (I'm spending my limited computer time relaxing with my book
> pages versus answering email by the way. So please be patient if I haven't
> answered a message.)
>
> pat slider.

Pat:
        I got this from amazon a few days ago:

        "Paper Creations : Easy-To-Make Paperfolding Projects"

by

Gay Merrill Gross

List: $19.95 -- Amazon.com Price: $17.96 -- You Save: $1.99 (10%)

Subjects: Paper work; Origami; Paper Crafts

Publisher: Friedman/Fairfax Pub
Binding: Paperback
Expected publication date: April  1,1997
ISBN: 1567994393
URL: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=1567994393

I couldn't reply directly-you didn't list your address in the *body* of
you message, and my mailer strips off the originators, leaving only origami-l.
Hope this gets to you...

Kevin Kinney
kkinney@med.unc.edu





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 18:37:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Tuyen (long, like most of my postings. But at least it is On Topic)

Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:
+Joseph Wu wrote (about Tuyen):
+JW>Maybe I'm overreacting to this, but there are enough misconceptions
+JW>about origami out there that we don't need more being disseminated this
+JW>way.

+I think part of the problem of "misconceptions" might be
+that those people that actually write, or translate, a
+book have no idea, or don`t care, what they are writing about.
+The main thing is selling the book.

Here here.  That is what I was trying to say in my earlier message,
and wish that I had said!

+The problem seems to be that marketing is more important
+than truth. Don`t blame Tuyen, blame the person that
+writes the text on the flap, and the editor that can`t
+do a good job.

Very good point.

David Lister has written about the historical inaccuracies and other
rubbish that gets copied from one origami forward/preface/text to
another.  I am sure that this accurracy problem is _in_part_ due to
lazy or sloppy authors, but I am also sure that part is due to rushed,
indifferent or lazy editors and publishers!  Authors of books, and of
origami books esp. don't have final say about what goes out under their
name.  I seem to recall Jay Ansill writing about being unable to get
things in his book changed, and I'm sure other authors have had
similiar experiences.

One of my early reactions to this situation was to think that "we," the
international origami community, should call upon our historians to
write up an accurate "boiler plate" history of origami that would be
available to publishers for book blurbs and intros.

The problem with that solution is that, in my limited experience,
publishers/editors tend to be very contrary, and being unwilling to
hand over much control to authors, will be even less inclined to use a
prewritten boiler plate, market differentiation (our intro is different
and unique and therefore better) being more important than truth and
accuracy.

I don't currently have a solution that I think would actually work.

But from what I have seen of the publishing process, I agree with
Matthias and am without evidence, I am not ready to roast Tuyen for
words over which he may have had no control.

-D'gou





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 18:50:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: [propp@math.mit.edu: Margulis napkin problem]

I got this from a recreational math mailing list that I'm on.  Any of
you see it before?

        -- Jeannine

------- Start of forwarded message -------
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:51:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jim Propp <propp@math.mit.edu>
Subject: Margulis napkin problem

Has anyone heard of the "Margulis napkin problem"?  (I don't know whether
it is indeed due to Margulis.)

This innocuous-sounding puzzle merely asks whether it is possible to fold
a square piece of paper (no tearing allowed!) so that the resulting flat
figure has larger perimeter than the original square did.  Can anyone find
a proof that it can't be done?

Note that the first fold cannot increase the perimeter, but that subsequent
folds *can*, so you won't be able to prove impossibility by arguing that
the perimeter decreases in time.

Jim Propp

------- End of forwarded message -------





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 18:59:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: [propp@math.mit.edu: Margulis napkin problem]

> This innocuous-sounding puzzle merely asks whether it is possible to fold
> a square piece of paper (no tearing allowed!) so that the resulting flat
> figure has larger perimeter than the original square did.  Can anyone find
> a proof that it can't be done?

Must the folded figure be convex?  Or can it be e.g. star shaped?
[What if I take an origami sea urchin and (shudder) press it flat
on the table?  Won't that have a very large perimeter?]

--
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida  (thinking about spiney problems today)
|          e-mail: casida@chimcn.umontreal.ca           |





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 19:10:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: about 100 traditional models

Valerie Vann wrote :
>
> Personally, I have suspected that Tuyen's isolation from the
> rest of the world community has not been voluntary, but a
> result of the relative isolation of his country (Vietnam),
> which is only recently changing.
>

I believe that Valerie may be quite right.  We have a number of
Vietnamese imigrants in Montreal.  One told me that it was
downright dangerous at one point in time to wear a T-shirt
with a foreign language in Saigon.  Another, who had been
a political prisoner in Vietnam, told my wife that he was
once beaten during his stay in prison for reading a novel
in French.  Quel horreur et quelle dommage!

                          Mark

--
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|          e-mail: casida@chimcn.umontreal.ca           |





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 19:09:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: Daddy-o D'gou <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Dollar bill tips.

Bob Nienhuis wrote:
+have time to make them something. When I do get requests, it is generally
+because they want to give something special to a friend or relative. And
+THAT really makes me feel pretty good, that thay think my work is special
+enough to qualify as a gift for a friend.

Cool!

A few others (and myself included) have written about their experiences, some
good, some bad.

Reading the bad experiences has left me wondering....

The bills that I leave folded with the tip are always "extra".  I
consider the origami I leave to be made from interesting, though also
expensive, paper.  Since I don't want the recipient to unfold the
origami, I first leave the tip I would leave otherwise, and then, if I
have any, or have time to fold any on the spot, and only if I feel like
it, do I leave an origami tip.  Many times I do not wish to know how
the recipient reacts.  My pleasure comes from the creating of the
object and from the leaving it as a gift.  If the recipient derives no
pleasure from receiving it, that is their business.  Sometimes I know
that they just don't have the time at that moment to take the time to
see what it is, to really "appreciate" it, in the active sense.
Sometimes they truly just don't "get it" and unfold it.  That is sad,
that they cannot appreciate the art around them.  But it isn't my
responsibility, nor is it my right, to demand appreciation for an
unrequested gift.  As the saying goes, "You can lead a horse to water,
but you can't make it drink."  Whether some horse drinks or not isn't
going to stop me from leaving buckets and troughs of water around!

-D'gou





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 19:16:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: marketing vs. truth

Matthias Gutfeldt <Tanjit@bboxbbs.ch> sez

>The problem seems to be that marketing is more important
>than truth.

That's my experience as well. A year or so ago, I saw a "new" ori book
by Paul jackson, which had some of the photographs from my airplanes
book on the front cover. Needless to say the models were not in the
book. I asked Paul about it & he didn't even know about the book! It was
a mixture of some of his earlier books, released without consultation or
payment.

This, apparently, is quite legal & no, they wouldn't give me a copy....

Assume the worst, then go a bit further, that's the average contract, be
it music, publishing, whatever.

To adapt the old joke; why don't sharks eat book publishers?
Professional courtesy.

sour grapely, but still desperate enough to sign book contracts (hint!)

Nick Robinson

personal email  nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk - all new look!
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 19:47:51 -0300 (ADT)
From: Richard of Foong <ryf@ecr.mu.oz.au>
Subject: Re: I've got some questions...

On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Joseph Wu wrote:

> =okay, a few more questions... Feel free to answer or not. :)
>
> Oh, but I've got this "reputation" to uphold. 8)

Thank you.:)

>
> =1. In Origami Sea Life (great book, thanks to John and Robert :) ), I'm
> =having problems with step 46 to 47. I just cant get this step through.
>
> Steps 46 to 47 of which model?
>

Whoops, how silly of me... its fiddler crab? I don't have the book with
me, but its the second crab in the book.

>
> =3. ...and a grand piano and violin?
>
> With or without the musicians?
>

With musicians

> =4. Last question... How about star wars models? I would LOVE to see models
> =of Star Wars in paper.
>
> Well, there's the X-wing fighter that I came up with years ago, and that
> someone on this list (I forget who at the moment) added engines to. It's on a
> home page somewhere...

Ohh, this gives me hope :) I would like these models because were just
getting the star wars  trilogy, And I wouldn't mind leaving just a bit of
SW around the place. :)

Thanks a lot Joseph.

Richard.





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 19:54:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: Richard of Foong <ryf@ecr.mu.oz.au>
Subject: Re: I've got some questions...

> Robert Lang's Complete book of Origami has a piano player and a violin
> player in it Published by dover isbn 0-486-25837-8
> The British Origami Society has published the Neil Elias notebooks these
> also have diagrams for piano's. The models are very challenging but are
> worth it.
> As far as OUSA, I let my membership lapse as I found their magazine to
> be waste of time, usually just local news, a couple of issues only had
> one or two models in.
> You can but books through their supplies even if you are not a member,
> I have.
>  Phyliss Meth
> 40-05 166th Street
> Flushing NY
> 11358 USA
> Where are you in oz I'm in Brisbane folding for years a member of the
> British Origami Soc

Thanks for the info, though I should have been more specific. :)
I am living in Melbourne, and go to uni. Melbourne Uni to be specific.
I love origami and can tackle the harder stuff. I enjoy looking at the
finished models. Its a great feeling. I'm guessing you've had that kind of
feeling?  Thought so. :)

Richard.





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 20:00:43 -0300 (ADT)
From: Richard of Foong <ryf@ecr.mu.oz.au>
Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Tips

On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, David Jacobs wrote:

> > I was just thinking, I've tried to fold a couple of bits of money for
> > tips, but its really annoying with these damn plastic notes we have over
> > here. :(
> >
> > Richard.
>
> As we in Australia do not have the same tip culture as other nations I
> have not experienced such frustrations trying to fold plastic money, it
> always cracks. HOWEVER I do use the Sizzler Plastic Seniors Cards for
> folding water resistant jumping frogs!!
> David

I've folded money before, but I don't give 5 buck tips, and I don't seem
to find the cracking problem, its just that the plastic likes to fold its
self out. Now that I think about it, I haven't given a tip at all. It was
at Pancake parlour, and I gave the woman a 5 dollar dog as payment. And
i've tried to make a 5 dollar peacock. If you can think of anything else
to give as a gift, folded money is better than just normal money. I
think...?

Richard.





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 20:10:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: Richard of Foong <ryf@ecr.mu.oz.au>
Subject: Re: I've got some questions...

Whoops, I think I sent this to the wrong mailing address. Damn. Well, I
forgot who wrote this to me, but heres your answer. :) I'll try to find
the old mail and reply again. I'm in a hurry, cya

Richard

> > Robert Lang's Complete book of Origami has a piano player and a violin
> > player in it Published by dover isbn 0-486-25837-8
> > The British Origami Society has published the Neil Elias notebooks these
> > also have diagrams for piano's. The models are very challenging but are
> > worth it.
> > As far as OUSA, I let my membership lapse as I found their magazine to
> > be waste of time, usually just local news, a couple of issues only had
> > one or two models in.
> > You can but books through their supplies even if you are not a member,
> > I have.
> >  Phyliss Meth
> > 40-05 166th Street
> > Flushing NY
> > 11358 USA
> > Where are you in oz I'm in Brisbane folding for years a member of the
> > British Origami Soc
>
> Thanks for the info, though I should have been more specific. :)
> I am living in Melbourne, and go to uni. Melbourne Uni to be specific.
> I love origami and can tackle the harder stuff. I enjoy looking at the
> finished models. Its a great feeling. I'm guessing you've had that kind of
> feeling?  Thought so. :)
>
>
> Richard.





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 22:18:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: [propp@math.mit.edu: Margulis napkin problem]

Well, you could fold a fractal; then the perimeter
would be infinite  :-)

Along this line, I thought of modeling the negative
of Jeannine's BizCard Fractal, which looks like a
relatively "solid" object, only to discover that the
negative would far more cards than the original
positive version ...

--valerie





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 23:16:01 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: [NO] Postscript, PDF and diagrams (was Re: Alex's new web URL)

On Mon, 7 Apr 1997 AXPGUY@aol.com wrote:

=In a message dated 97-04-06 21:01:21 EDT, you write:
=> you can preview Postscript documnets using ghostview
=>  http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/index.html
=>  It works well enough to print out and preveiw on non postscript printers
=>  and it's free!!
=
=   Does that mean if youare using Adobe Reader (which seems to be one of the
=more popular applications to view origami files on this list) that one would
=need a "postscript" printer???  If so, just exactly what is a "Postscript"
=printer??  Thanks for your help..

The "Adobe Reader" is the Adobe Acrobat Reader and it is used for viewing
Acrobat files (in the PDF format). It is not for viewing Postscript. And it
will work with any type of printer that you can normally use with your
computer. Postscript is a "page description language" that can be used to
describe how an image should be drawn on a page (the image can be of pictures
or of text or both). PDF can serve a similar purpose, but is much more
versatile, offering hypertext and multimedia capabilities. A Postscript
printer is one that can interpret the Postscript language directly, so that if
you send a Postscript file (a file containing a page description in the
Postscript language) directly to the printer, it will print a page (or pages)
conforming to what the description says. A non-Postscript printer cannot do
this and must have a program like Ghostscript to translate for it.

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 23:19:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: Bryan Feir <jenora@istar.ca>
Subject: Re: listserver burp?

   I didn't get dropped from the list...

   Instead, the list sent about five messages to the _old_ address I used
to be subscribed here under.  The address I switched away from about two
months ago.  Then it switched right back to here.e

   Weird...

---------------------------+---------------------------------------------------
Bryan Feir           VA3GBF|"A wrangle is the disinclination of two boarders to
bryan@sgl.ists.ca          | each other that meet together but are not in the
jenora@istar.ca            | same line."              -- Stephen Leacock





Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 23:36:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: rhudson@netrax.net (Hudson-Robert)
Subject: the page.. is up

Hi all:

You probably won't believe this -- but I've actually followed through on a
promise EARLY.  I have the frame of the Convention tips page up at:

http://www.netrax.net/~rhudson/con97.html

Check it out!  Thanks to all who have contributed so far.

I'm specifically looking for more info on subway maps, costs for
transportation, etc.

Any New Yorkers out there care to browse the page and fill in some gaps?

Thanks!

Rob





Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 02:48:07 -0300 (ADT)
From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@fantasyfarm.com>
Subject: Re: Getting dropped from the list

On  7 Apr 97 at 5:12, Robert Maldonado wrote:

> It just happened to me too.  Seems to be increasing (or folk are getting
> more vocal).  What's up?

The problem arises because of some new hacks in the 'listserv' software
that first started showing up [as far as I know] about a year ago.  In
the last, list administrators generally were folk _on_ the list and so
kind of paid attention to what was happening on the list.

More recently, however, mailing lists have started getting run by folk who
are *just* administrators... they're [as a rule] not *on* the list [and so
sending email to the list about administrative troubles is a DOUBLE
badness: not only does it hassle all of us, but it doesn't even reach the
only person who could help!], and they will often have little or no
interest in the content of the list... they just handle the list the same
way they oversee their disk utilization and the congestion on their
internal LANs, etc.

The key thing about these administrators is *NOT* disinterest or
unkindness to the folk on the mailing lists, but rather that they
administer a HUGE number of them.  They may administer a hundred lists
each averaging 500-1000 people on the list.  That can generate a truly
daunting flood of errors and complaints from mailers and mail forwarders
all over the world [and remember that by and large EVERY message to a
list at about the same time will generate pretty much the same errors,
and so if the list averages a message every 30 minutes [I think that
origam-l is at about that rate], then the flood just multiplies.  *ugh!*

So, the listserv software folk came to the rescue of the list
administrators: what they did was added code to the listserv to intercept
the returned-error-messages and *automatically* process them.  A very nice
idea in theory but the practice has been more than a little bit bumpy.
The early versions of the code to do the 'auto cancelling' was pretty
crude and pretty heavy handed --- it'd dump people at the drop of a
mailer hiccough.  It was great for the sysadmin but pretty miserable for
the folk ON the list.  The recent versions are cleverer, from what I've
heard [although I still refuse to allow them on the lists that I
administer].

For origami-l, I think that the problem is that the listserv at nstn is
running a pretty old and clunky version of the auto-cancel.  It won't be
turned off [that'd be a nightmare for the list admin] and so we'll just
have to suffer with lots of bogus disconnects until/if nsts upgrades to a
more current [and lenient] version of the listserv software.

  /Bernie\
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Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
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Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 09:30:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: David Jacobs <daj@powerup.com.au>
Subject: Re: I've got some questions...

Richard of Foong wrote:
>

> > =1. In Origami Sea Life (great book, thanks to John and Robert :) ), I'm
> > =having problems with step 46 to 47. I just cant get this step through.
> >
> > Steps 46 to 47 of which model?
> >
>
> Whoops, how silly of me... its fiddler crab? I don't have the book with
> me, but its the second crab in the book.

David J. wrote almost in reply

In my experience there are two ways to approach a complex model
Method 1: Fastidiously do ever step in sequence to achieve folded
perfection.
Method 2: If you get stuck on a step, find out what those steps are
meant to achieve and try out an easier way (bodge it).

Using the method 2 you can get past the difficult bit and finish off the
model, so what if you miss out a few folds? The next attempt will in
most cases be folded using method 1.
There are a lot of very good folders who use the bodge method, they just
don't admit to it !!!
I know the fiddler crab and Method 2 does work on it!!
>

>
> Richard.
