




Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 15:17:40 -0400 (AST)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: New Guy on the Block.

Jeff Kerwood wrote:

+Hi:  I'm Jeff Kerwood from Pittsburgh PA.  I am a new folder and my thirst
+for folding knowledge is far outpacing my agility to read and research my
+questions.  I am BURSTING with curiosity.

Welcome to the fold!
For Jeff, and anyone else from in or around Pittsburgh who might not
know, The Origami Club of Pittsburgh (OCoP) meets once a month at the
Squirrel Hill branch of the Carnegie Library.  The next meeting is this
coming Saturday (3/22/97).  Beginner's are welcome.  The children's
class runs from Noon to 1:30pm and the Adult's class runs from 1:30pm
to 3:00pm.   Adults are welcome to sit on the Children's class.
Children under 12 must be accompanied by an adult.  Children who can
fold a crane from memory are welcome to stay for the Adult class.

You can find the OCoP web page at:
    http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/usr/origami/ocop.html
and the OCoP-University Chapter page at:
    http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/usr/origami/home.html

They are a bit out of date, but the contact and phone number are still good.

+2) What do people feel about "folding in the air" v.s. folding on a table
+(or other surface)?

This is nearly a "religous" question (it isn't, but it is close!).
I prefer which ever is easier to manipulate the paper.

+7) Surely someone has come up with a nifty way to cut squares!!!  Something
+faster, more accurate, and maybe even more fun, than templates or
+sliding/guillotine cutters???

More accurate than templates?  I find templates to be the perfect solution.
I prefer the clear ones (such as one might find at Fascinating Folds - no
affiliation, just happy customer), since you can see just what parts and
patterns will be in your square, and you can take a hunk out of any size paper
that you have a big enough cutting pad for.

+8) I have a really cool idea.  I would love to see some good folders
+folding

Come to the next OCoP meeting!

+11) What is your all time favorite model or tip?

Hard to pick just one.  Every few months or so a "top ten models" discussion
gets started.  You can search the archive (watch for Maartin's periodic post
to this group on the archive for info) for the last round.

-Doug

P.S.  I know, I know, I am late in getting the first OCoP Newsletter for 1997
out.  The subscription reminders should be going out this weekend.  The
newsletter will be close on its heels!





Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:49:35 -0400 (AST)
From: Basyrett@aol.com
Subject: Re: Junk mail

Thanks to all who replied with their suggestions for reducing j-mail.  i
appreciate your help.  I wouldn't be so annoying if it could be folded!!!
 :-)
Barb, Long Beach NY





Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:48:37 -0400 (AST)
From: rita <rstevens@philly.infi.net>
Subject: Re: No mail

When this happened to me I sent the following message and it worked.

The list server told me to send a message to : LISTSERV@NSTN.CA   with no
 subject but in the body say only :
        SET ORIGAMI-L MAIL ACK
        SET ORIGAMI-L
        HELP SET
        END

 good luck. rita

At 12:00 PM 3/18/97 -0400, MrsCalbash@aol.com wrote:
>Can anybody help me?
>About a month ago I stopped receiving origami-l postings.  I assumed I had
>been bumped, and tried to subscribe again.  This was refused since I was
>already subscribed, so they said.  So I tried to report the problem to
>listmgr@owl.nstn.ca, as instructed, and the message came back.  Tried again,
>and it went through--but no response.  I tried again 2 days ago, still no
>response.  I have also tried to unsubscribe, thinking maybe I could start
>fresh. but this request was also ignored.  I am beginning to think I have
>become a cyber-non-person.
>For that matter, this may not make it to the list--I'd never know.
>Please, if you can help, write directly to me, since I can't read the list
>mail.
>Thanks (I hope).
>Leslie Blanding
>(New Hampshire)





Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:34:55 -0400 (AST)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: RE: NO (Junk e-mail)

All:

I sent barb a private email about using the AOL
mail controls; they don't entirely eliminate junk mail,
but cut it down a lot, as AOL keeps a master list and
you can have all sources on that list blocked, as well
as specific sources/addresses, but the latter doesn't
help a lot with the junkers as they mask and change their
addresses constantly.

Lisa is right about popular web sites (esp. "fun" commercial
ones with lots the advanced Netscape extensions; they're running
Java aps) and newsgroups as way to get on multiple email junk
lists. Apparently also registering your own web site with
the search services (Yahoo, AltaVista, Lycos...) seems also to
have the same effect; my email escalated after I did that, and
I was getting junk mail at addresses where I do no mail, web
browsing or newsreading; these are AOL addresses that I only
use for web page disk storage space, though they are valid AOL
email addresses. I solved that by using AOL's parental controls to
block ALL email to those addresses.

I use another AOL address only to receive email from certain
mail lists; these are set to receive email only from the listservers.

The sad thing about junk email is that these jerks sell their
services as "qualified" lists to other poor slobs; I have never
I would remotely be interested in, so there is no "qualifying" going
on at all...

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:53:54 -0400 (AST)
From: Kristine Tomlinson <ktomlinson@platinum.com>
Subject: What did I buy?

Hi,

This weekend I dropped into Sasuga Bookstore, Cambridge, MA, USA
and bought the most interesting magazine I've seen.  Unfortunately, I
haven't a clue what it is.  The store clerk told me it was a special
publication. I was too shy to ask any more.

It was published by the Nippon Origami Association -- I think the issue
date is 4/12/1993.  The whole issue was written by Satoshi Takagi and
is devoted to the history of origami from 1600-1867.  The cover (which I
managed to translate with the aid of a Berlitz phrase book is "Origami" --
gee, I could have guessed that myself :-).

The magazine reprints amazing sources like pictures showing women in
kimonos with origami models on the fabric (just like the Japanese Book of
Design which I wrote about earlier) and even pictures done on paper
embossed with origami cranes. It also looks like it reprints part of the
Kan-o-mado and the play that was published using origami figures (I'm at
work and don't have my sources).  On and on it goes -- every major
historical source and then some!  I couldn't believe my good fortune.  The
frustrating thing is I can't read it!

Do any of you recognize this special issue? Has anyone had it
translated?  I figured I can probably afford to translate the table of
contents and the chronology in the back, and once a year do a new topic
:-)

Thanks for any info on this weeks' find.  BTW, Oru is sold out, but they
expect to get the final issue in this weekend (?).

Kristine
ktomlinson@platinum.com
Waltham, MA, USA





Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 19:55:28 -0400 (AST)
From: Kimberly Crane <kcrane@kimscrane.com>
Subject: Re: New Guy on the Block.

/I=JJK/G=Jeffry/S=Kerwood/OU=PITTSBURGH/O=MELLON, INFO,
SVCS/@MELLON.sprint.com wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi:  I'm Jeff Kerwood from Pittsburgh PA.  I am a new folder and my thirst
> for folding knowledge is far outpacing my agility to read and research my
> questions.  I am BURSTING with curiosity.
>
> I have just a few (this is sarcasm here) questions.  Pull up your easy chair
> and help out this eager new compadre.
>
> 1) I am learning ASL (American Sign Language), what is the sign for origami?
>
> 2) What do people feel about "folding in the air" v.s. folding on a table
> (or other surface)?
>
> 3) For those who are "table folders" has anybody found a surface to fold on
> that "makes a difference"?
>
> 4) Anybody know where I can get diagrams for a train set (my 4 year old
> would love you)?
>
> 5) About how many people participate in this little origami e-mail family?
>
> 6) Where can I find (any size) 1 color, 1 PATTERN precut paper (each sheet
> exactly the same) in bulk?  I have talked with FF and they said they can't
> find it packaged that way.  Any other thoughts?  Any non-USA sources?
>
> 7) Surely someone has come up with a nifty way to cut squares!!!  Something
> faster, more accurate, and maybe even more fun, than templates or
> sliding/guillotine cutters???
>
> 8) I have a really cool idea.  I would love to see some good folders
> folding.  But I don't personally know any so, what to do?  I would say thank
> you 100 times to any good folder that would take me up on this. How about
> you set up your camcorder and tape yourself folding something
> complex/difficult.  Don't make a production out of it, just turn it on and
> let it run (stay in your jammies and don't comb your hair if you like - I
> just want to see your hands in action).  I'll buy the tape and pay for
> postage.  I would learn so much watching how a good folder handles his paper
> and executes some of the "tricky stuff".  Contact me at my personal email
> address below if you are game.
>
> 9) Is all washi the same?  How can you tell the best from the so-so?
>
> 10) What is Chiyogami?  (As I said I am a real beginner).
>
> 11) What is your all time favorite model or tip?
>
> 12) I just folded my first tessellation.  I thought it would be fun to fold.
>  It was, but it seemed to me to be something that only a folder could really
> appreciate.  UNTIL, just putzing around, I held it up to a light -
> WOWOWOWOWOW.  Really NICE.  I can't explain it, give it a try.  My wife does
> framing so I am going to have her put one in a free standing frame (like a
> frame on top of a candle stick holder) and put a 7 watt bulb behind it - it
> is going to look VERY nice.  It would also look out-a-this-world as a
> sun-chime (window ornament) or even as a lamp shade.
>
> 13)  Aside from Origami paper and "art" paper - what are some other good
> papers to fold with?  So I can order it, please give brand names, addresses
> and phone numbers if you know them.  Specifically what I'd like, if anyone
> knows, is brand names of gift wrap paper that work well.
>
> 14)  Pat Slider mentioned using various stones for "ironing in creases".
>  This sounded cool so I tried it.  I found a stone that worked well (for
> $1.50), Hematite.  I thought I'd give Jade and Malachite a try.  The Jade
> was wonderful.  It glided over the crease like ice on wet marble.  I tried
> Malachite at two different stores.  One was nearly as good at the Jade, the
> other was much rougher and did not have a clean glossy shine.  So, my
> questions are (any jewelers out there?):   A) What made the difference?
>  Quality of stone?  Tumble time?  Finish (Wax? - Polish?)?    B) Is there
> official jeweler jargon that would allow intelligent discussion on this
> topic?    C) What kind of finishes are normal for stones and which would
> likely work best for creasing?  D) Are there any other stones I should
> investigate?   E)  How about things other than stone (Synthetic Ivory? -
> Ebony? - other ideas???)?
>
> 15) Pat Slider mentioned creasing with a carbuchon (a stone which is flat on
> one side and rounded on the other).  Talking to gem guys they say the
> spelling is cabochon.  (Pat: let us know if you had something else in mind).
>
> 16) Buying this folding stone has thrown me into a tumultuous philosophical
> frenzy - am I a valid human being, is it bigotry, if I violate the ME +
> PAPER bond?  I think.  Origami is not something separate from SELF but is
> part of SELF.  To seek true and pure origami should not be to seek tradition
> but to seek unity and harmony with ones SELF.  Some people find peace
> sitting by a pond and considering the reflection of a cypress.  But equally
> valid and happy are those who are calmed when engaging their newest gadgets.
>  When I fold I have fifteen or so gadgets near by (seldom used but always
> there), everything from dental tools and jewelry making tools to a shrimp
> deviener. Eastern arts are so steeped with tradition.  I felt DEPRAVED until
> I realized that Origami is ME, it must march on my lifes path, not molesting
> my spirit but bringing expression to ME.  Is it possible that gadgetry, for
> some, enriches the intamicy between SELF + PAPER?  Can not romance be
> fevered with a little lace?
>
>
> #####################################
> #   I THINK - THEREFORE I AM.
> #   I PERAMBULATE - THEREFORE I AM
> #   I FOLD - THEREFORE I AM
> #####################################
>
> Jeff Kerwood
> jeffry.j.j.k.kerwood@mellon.sprint.com
>
Hello Jeff:

I would like to try and answer some of you paper related questions and
ask you a couple. #6 Have you tried looking at our site:  Kim's Crane,
http://www.kimscrane.com ? We carry the largest selection of origami
paper in the USA.  Can you expound on what you mean by 1 PATTERN precut
paper.  Also please define bulk (how many sheets)?  We carry 1 color
paper in 4.75 X 4.75 inches and 6X6 inches. We would like to try and get
you the paper you are looking for.

#9.  All washi is almost the same.  I have not yet found any cheaply
made washi paper.

#10  Chiyogami is origami craft paper, (kami type paper) with a pattern
on it.  Some chiyogami paper is duo-sided.  In-other-words, on pattern
one side another pattern on the other.  Check out our site for a variety
of chiyogami papers.

Hope this helps and welcome to the fold!

Sincerely,
Gordon and Kimberly Crane
Kim's Crane





Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 20:46:19 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: [NO] Web sites and e-mail (was RE: NO (Junk e-mail))

On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 Lisa.Hodsdon/McDougal/hmco@Owl.nstn.ca wrote:

=Do you surf the web a lot? My understanding is that you often
=leave your e-mail address behind, whether you willingly give it (by
=filling in a form) or not. Again, this is hearsay. Can any of the
=people who have a web-site confirm or deny this possibility?

Nope. Can't be done by any normal means. (Although problems like the recently
discovered security bugs in Microsoft Internet Explorer could possibly have
been exploited to do that.) Whenever you access a page on the Web, your
computer sends some information to the server computer that is supplying the
page that you are looking at. It includes much information, including the IP
address of the computer you are browsing from, but it does NOT include your
e-mail address (unless you're on a specially configured machine that does send
that out...I'd be surprised if you were).

So, don't worry about this particular aspect of web surfing. Your e-mail
address is safe unless you give it away (e.g. by filling in a form).

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 21:27:49 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: New Guy on the Block.

On Tue, 18 Mar 1997 /I=JJK/G=Jeffry/S=Kerwood/OU=PITTSBURGH/O=MELLON INFO
     SVCS/@mellon.sprint.com wrote:

=Hi:  I'm Jeff Kerwood from Pittsburgh PA.  I am a new folder and my thirst
=for folding knowledge is far outpacing my agility to read and research my
=questions.  I am BURSTING with curiosity.

Hi, Jeff. I see that your curiosity has burst all over origami-l. 8)

=1) I am learning ASL (American Sign Language), what is the sign for origami?

No clue.

=2) What do people feel about "folding in the air" v.s. folding on a table
=(or other surface)?

As Doug has said, this can be a religious question. And, also as Doug said, I
do whatever works best for the fold I'm working on. Folding in the air gives
much more control, especially for details, but a surface helps tremendously
when making long creases.

=3) For those who are "table folders" has anybody found a surface to fold on
=that "makes a difference"?

Nope.

=4) Anybody know where I can get diagrams for a train set (my 4 year old
=would love you)?

Many exist. Check out the OriIndex search engine at Alex Bateman's website
<http://www.mrc-cpe.cam.ac.uk/jong/agb/origami.html> to look them up.

=5) About how many people participate in this little origami e-mail family?

Good question. According to the archives, there were 497 people as of March 1,
1997. I could check the listserver, but I'm too lazy to do so right now. 8)

=6) Where can I find (any size) 1 color, 1 PATTERN precut paper (each sheet
=exactly the same) in bulk?  I have talked with FF and they said they can't
=find it packaged that way.  Any other thoughts?  Any non-USA sources?

Tons of it available at any art supply store in Japan. I think that NOA
(Nippon Origami Association) also carries it and offers mail-order. This is
all regular origami paper (often called "kami-weight" paper) and the colour
variety is amazing. It's all solid colour, though, no patterns.

=7) Surely someone has come up with a nifty way to cut squares!!!  Something
=faster, more accurate, and maybe even more fun, than templates or
=sliding/guillotine cutters???

Nope!

=8) I have a really cool idea.  I would love to see some good folders
=folding.  But I don't personally know any so, what to do?  I would say thank
=you 100 times to any good folder that would take me up on this. How about
=you set up your camcorder and tape yourself folding something
=complex/difficult.  Don't make a production out of it, just turn it on and
=let it run (stay in your jammies and don't comb your hair if you like - I
=just want to see your hands in action).  I'll buy the tape and pay for
=postage.  I would learn so much watching how a good folder handles his paper
=and executes some of the "tricky stuff".  Contact me at my personal email
=address below if you are game.

Well, Doug's invitation is a good start. You can also buy the instructional
videos made by Michael LaFosse to see a master in action.

=9) Is all washi the same?  How can you tell the best from the so-so?

No. There are hundreds (if not thousands) of different types of washi, each of
which is made with a different purpose in mind (or variations on the same
purpose...e.g. different types of shoji (paper for Japanese sliding doors)).
The best way to get to know washi is to handle lots of it. Learn its texture,
its appearance, its strength. Of course, this is difficult if there's not much
washi to be found nearby. Maybe some of the OCOP people will have some that
you can look at. To truly know washi, though, you pretty much have to learn
how to make it. (I know the theory, and have made paper, but have never made
washi.)

Your second question is also very important. There are many papers being
marketed as "washi" but are not. Most of these are machine-made imitations
from Thailand. While they are often good papers, they are improperly named
"washi". Most of the unryu (the thin tissue made of mulberry fibre),
especially the stuff that comes in rolls, is Thai-made. For beginners to
washi, however, it is probably the easiest to work with (for backcoating and
making tissue-foil).

=10) What is Chiyogami?  (As I said I am a real beginner).

>From the archives of origami-l:

Joseph Wu [96/05/09]:
Any washi can be used for origami. Printed paper is usually called "chiyogami"
which means (I think) "decorated paper". Most washi relies on its own inherent
beauty, rather than on printed designs, for its appealing nature.

Bill Lise [96/05/10]:
chiyogami will be defined in dictionaries as a word which was first applied to
paper that was woodblock printed with colorful designs, so "decorated paper"
for chiyogami seems fine. However, *chiyo* itself oddly just means *a thousand
generations*, or by extension a long, long time; an eternity.  Don't know why
this was applied in this case.

Cara Beth Stevenson [96/05/10]:
If chiyogami has the meaning of paper that is decorated with woodblock
printing, then "chiyo" meaning "a thousand generations" refers to the ability
to repeat the decoration using the woodblock print, and not necessarily to
time.
  I know nothing of Japanese, but I am a printmaker.  I think that "chiyo"
refers not to time, but the ability to repeat a decorative pattern using
woodblock printing.  Think of *generations* as prints, or copies, rather than
the ancestral lineage.

Joseph Wu [96/09/02]:
"chiyogami" refers to decorated paper, i.e. paper with a pattern or design
printed or painted on. I don't know the exact definition of "chiyo" but, of
course, "gami" is a form of "kami" meaning "paper". There is some overlap
between the two as chiyogami is often made by printing patterns onto washi,
but some of the "chiyogami" origami paper is made by printing the same
patterns onto regular origami paper, or even onto brown craft paper.

Emma Craib [96/10/04]:
chiyogami is printed paper, traditionally implying printed with some
auspicious pattern...One reference to paper used does say the strength was
important as the papers were intended for objects in daily use...that they had
to be fine enough for precision folding, and strong enough to withstand
pasting.  This and a TON more is in the book chiyogami:  Handprinted Patterned
Papers of Japan...by Ann Herring.  Another really nice Kodansha book.

=11) What is your all time favorite model or tip?

I couldn't begin to think of an answer to that one!

=12) I just folded my first tessellation.  I thought it would be fun to fold.
= It was, but it seemed to me to be something that only a folder could really
=appreciate.  UNTIL, just putzing around, I held it up to a light -
=WOWOWOWOWOW.  Really NICE.  I can't explain it, give it a try.  My wife does
=framing so I am going to have her put one in a free standing frame (like a
=frame on top of a candle stick holder) and put a 7 watt bulb behind it - it
=is going to look VERY nice.  It would also look out-a-this-world as a
=sun-chime (window ornament) or even as a lamp shade.

Yup! 8)

=13)  Aside from Origami paper and "art" paper - what are some other good
=papers to fold with?  So I can order it, please give brand names, addresses
=and phone numbers if you know them.  Specifically what I'd like, if anyone
=knows, is brand names of gift wrap paper that work well.

I don't work with gift wrap, so I can't help you there. But the possibilities
are endless. Try each paper you come across. It might not be good for some
purposes, but for others it might be perfect. Oh, and search the archives
(again see Alex Bateman's site) for other people's paper recommendations.

=14)  Pat Slider mentioned using various stones for "ironing in creases".
= This sounded cool so I tried it.  I found a stone that worked well (for
=$1.50), Hematite.  I thought I'd give Jade and Malachite a try.  The Jade
=was wonderful.  It glided over the crease like ice on wet marble.  I tried
=Malachite at two different stores.  One was nearly as good at the Jade, the
=other was much rougher and did not have a clean glossy shine.  So, my
=questions are (any jewelers out there?):   A) What made the difference?
= Quality of stone?  Tumble time?  Finish (Wax? - Polish?)?    B) Is there
=official jeweler jargon that would allow intelligent discussion on this
=topic?    C) What kind of finishes are normal for stones and which would
=likely work best for creasing?  D) Are there any other stones I should
=investigate?   E)  How about things other than stone (Synthetic Ivory? -
=Ebony? - other ideas???)?

I don't know much about lapidary, but here goes nothing. (Everyone else: feel
free to correct me!) A) Tumble time, I would suspect. I've never heard of
putting a finish on stones before. B, C, D) Don't know. E) "Bone folders" are
popular with some people. Other people use an embosser (again, ask Doug to
show it to you).

=15) Pat Slider mentioned creasing with a carbuchon (a stone which is flat on
=one side and rounded on the other).  Talking to gem guys they say the
=spelling is cabochon.  (Pat: let us know if you had something else in mind).

And so says the Merriam Webster dictionary. 8)

=16) Buying this folding stone has thrown me into a tumultuous philosophical
=frenzy - am I a valid human being, is it bigotry, if I violate the ME +
=PAPER bond?  I think.  Origami is not something separate from SELF but is
=part of SELF.  To seek true and pure origami should not be to seek tradition
=but to seek unity and harmony with ones SELF.  Some people find peace
=sitting by a pond and considering the reflection of a cypress.  But equally
=valid and happy are those who are calmed when engaging their newest gadgets.
= When I fold I have fifteen or so gadgets near by (seldom used but always
=there), everything from dental tools and jewelry making tools to a shrimp
=deviener. Eastern arts are so steeped with tradition.  I felt DEPRAVED until
=I realized that Origami is ME, it must march on my lifes path, not molesting
=my spirit but bringing expression to ME.  Is it possible that gadgetry, for
=some, enriches the intamicy between SELF + PAPER?  Can not romance be
=fevered with a little lace?

If it works, go for it! Produce your art. Recent discussions have shown that
modern origami and traditional origami are not the same thing, and that the
definition of "origami" is itself somewhat nebulous.

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 21:29:20 -0400 (AST)
From: MrsCalbash@aol.com
Subject: No mail

Problem solved!  Thanks to Dan Johnson, who promptly told me what to do to
correct the situation.  It'a a relief to be 'connected' again.
Leslie





Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 22:59:04 -0400 (AST)
From: Pat Slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: re: (NO) Web sites and e-mail.

=Do you surf the web a lot? My understanding is that you often
=leave your e-mail address behind, whether you willingly give it (by
=filling in a form) or not. Again, this is hearsay. Can any of the
=people who have a web-site confirm or deny this possibility?

Two sites can give you a fair idea of what can/can't be known about you when
you surf. First click on the "Don't believe us?" link of

www.anonymizer.com

This one even gave me a map showing where I lived :-<.

You can read about the issue of internet privacy at the Center for Democracy
and Technology here:

http://www.13x.com/cgi-bin/cdt/snoop.pl

According to this non-profit organization, if someone is motivated enough to
own the right equipment, they CAN get your email address to go along with
who you work for and where you live and....

(Doesn't make me feel too happy....I do a lot of surfing for myself, work,
the library, etc. and sometimes I wind up at some STRANGE sites. Even if I'm
only there for a few seconds, I've left my footprints. But I tell myself
that with the volume of hits at most sites, its quite unlikely that anyone
is interested in me on an individual basis.)

Good news is that if you want to, you CAN become "anonymous" by going
through the first site above or some of the search engines. A bit of a
hassle though.

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 23:49:52 -0400 (AST)
From: Pat Slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: Re: stones for creasing (was "new guy")

>So, my
>=questions are (any jewelers out there?):   A) What made the difference?
>= Quality of stone?  Tumble time?  Finish (Wax? - Polish?)?    B) Is there
>=official jeweler jargon that would allow intelligent discussion on this
>=topic?    C) What kind of finishes are normal for stones and which would
>=likely work best for creasing?  D) Are there any other stones I should
>=investigate?   E)  How about things other than stone (Synthetic Ivory? -
>=Ebony? - other ideas???)?

Still trying to find the "best" stone myself! (And the search is on
again....My almost seven accidentally dropped my favorite piece so far --
mahogany obsidian. And yes obsidian does break like glass!) Anyway, here's
an attempt to answer your questions:

A) I assume the difference is mostly the inherent quality of the stone. The
harder the stone, the better the edge and polish. I expect another issue
would be how a particular kind of stone fractures or chips. Not to forgotten
of course is the skill of the person doing the cutting! (I was warned, by
the way, when I bought my malachite that it was a softer stone and wouldn't
hold up as well to residing in my pocket....)

B) There are a number of books/magazines on the subject. The key words to
look for would be "Jewelry making" or "stone cutting". "Lapidary" normally
implies gemstones. (Now how about folding with a large diamond :->?) Here's
a good web site for rocks and gem enthusiasts:

http://www.rockhounds.com/rockshop/table.html

Perhaps a good place to start. There's a subpage on "cut rocks" and also a
page listing upcoming rock and gem shows. If you like rocks, I recommend
going to a show sometime. Lots of big tubs and baskets to pick through for
the perfect stone. (I keep hoping to meet a rock cutter that I can
custom-order from too, but hasn't happened yet....)

C) Not sure I understand the question. As I mentioned, I like the polished
rounds and ovals myself. I would think a rougher finish might scratch and
tear paper? Perhaps a knife-shape might be fun to try folding with though.

D) Might consider any stone traditionally used in carving. Easy to find
quartz, agates, and jaspers. (I wonder how soapstone works? It even feels
slick before you polish it....)

E) Given how well my obsidian worked, I would guess that a glass piece would
work well too. But then....

>=15) Pat Slider mentioned creasing with a carbuchon (a stone which is flat on
>=one side and rounded on the other).  Talking to gem guys they say the
>=spelling is cabochon.  (Pat: let us know if you had something else in mind).
>
>And so says the Merriam Webster dictionary. 8)

ok, ok....Don't rub it in! Maybe it's a regional thing :0.

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 01:10:23 -0400 (AST)
From: Belinda Holbrook <holbrook@netins.net>
Subject: Re: New Guy on the Block.

Concerning the cutting of paper:
I have a turning model that I make with kids that I like to make using
neon typing paper. I took it to Kinko's, a copy story chain, and they cut
it using their special slicer. They charge something like 50 cents a slice
so I could get a whole ream of paper cut into perfect five inch squares
for $1.50. I also had a hard time finding three inch paper which I like to
use for magic stars. So I bought a pack of what was supposed to be nine
inch squares and told them to cut it into three inch squares.
Unfortunately the paper was less than nine inches and I didn't bother to
measure it before I asked them to cut it. So part of the "squares" turned
out to be less than perfect. So you have to be careful what you ask for.

Belinda Holbrook
holbrook@netins.net





Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 02:24:25 -0400 (AST)
From: Kenny1414@aol.com
Subject: Re: New Guy on the Block.

In a message dated 97-03-18 22:16:24 EST, you write:

<< =7) Surely someone has come up with a nifty way to cut squares!!!
 Something
 =faster, more accurate, and maybe even more fun, than templates or
 =sliding/guillotine cutters??? >>

Well, yes, actually. You find a good printshop, and explain to them what you
want,
and pay them to cut the paper. They'll use an industrial guillotine that cuts
thru
I-don't-know-how-many sheets at once. Warning, it takes a little doing to get
the
printer to understand how "square" is "square", how important it is to center
the
pattern, and so forth. And until you get it right, every bad batch is going
to cost you.

You could go thru someone who's already got it down pat. This might also get
you
your bulk order of one color and pattern.

A little company called Zenagraf, in Ann Arbor, Michigan, has experience
negotiating
this square cutting.

Zenagraf produces their own home-grown chiyogami designs, I think the only
american designed and manufactured chiyogami, that they have printed and cut
by a
printing company they've trained in how to cut the paper, and that has
trained them in
how to spec the order. Normally they sell multi-color/multi-pattern packs
thru
retailers, but for a bulk order of a particular pattern and color, I think
you could
special order from Zenagraf, or maybe thru one of their retailers, if they
have one near
you.

I don't know if the printer is mechanically collating the
multi-color/multi-pattern
packs, probably is, but I think they do occasionally get a pile of a single
color and
pattern, and could help you out, depending on how many you need, and how
fussy
you are about the pattern and color. It may take a while, if they have to
wait for the
next print run, since they print a lot of sheets at one time, to save costs.

I'm sorry, I don't have Zenagraf's e-mail address handy. Don Shall, Bob,
Lauralee,
Sandy, anyone out  there, can you help this person, please???

Aloha,
kenny1414@aol.com
Kenneth Kawamura
E Lansing  MI  48826-6039

P.S. --
If I'm not supposed to tell anyone about this, I apologize. I was trying to
help.
Also, I apologize for the length of this posting.





Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 02:24:49 -0400 (AST)
From: Kenny1414@aol.com
Subject: Re: stones for creasing (was "new guy")

In a message dated 97-03-18 23:01:50 EST, you write:

>>Pat Slider mentioned creasing with a carbuchon (a stone which is flat on
> >=one side and rounded on the other).  Talking to gem guys they say the
> >=spelling is cabochon.  (Pat: let us know if you had something else in
mind).
> >
> >And so says the Merriam Webster dictionary. 8)
>
> ok, ok....Don't rub it in! Maybe it's a regional thing :0.

Maybe you have mixed "cabochon" (non-faceted, smoothly rounded gemstone
shape, from a french word referring to a bald head, I think), with
"carbuncle"
(a fiery red stone, like a ruby or spinel, usually in cabochon shape).

Note, bright red boils, the swollen skin infections, are also called
carbuncles.

Aloha,

kenny1414@aol.com
Kenneth Kawamura
PO Box 6039
E Lansing, MI 48826-6039





Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 04:16:34 -0400 (AST)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: air folding

Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com> sez

>+2) What do people feel about "folding in the air" v.s. folding on a table
>+(or other surface)?

I prefer to fold in the air, but it *is* harder and definately slower,
although the latter is no bad thing. "Big" folds (like kite flaps) are
the hardest (for me). It is nice to watch an "air" folder at work. I
always recommend people use a table until they have some experience...

all the best,

Nick Robinson

personal email  nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk





Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 04:39:04 -0400 (AST)
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Reviewer needed for CD-ROM

Brian Jendryka, the editor of The Paper (ak the Origami USA newsletter) is
looking for a reviewer for the CD-ROM, "Origami: The Secret Life of Paper."
If you want to review it and have a Macintosh computer with a CD drive,
please write directly to Brian at BJendryka@aol.com (but only if you promise
to say really, really nice things about it).

And for all you Windozers, take heart: the Windows version is due to hit the
streets at OUSA Convention '96 at the end of June (right, Neil & Jean?).

Robert J. Lang
Rjlang@aol.com





Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 05:03:43 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: re: (NO) Web sites and e-mail.

On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, Pat Slider wrote:

==Do you surf the web a lot? My understanding is that you often
==leave your e-mail address behind, whether you willingly give it (by
==filling in a form) or not. Again, this is hearsay. Can any of the
==people who have a web-site confirm or deny this possibility?
=
=Two sites can give you a fair idea of what can/can't be known about you when
=you surf. First click on the "Don't believe us?" link of
=
=www.anonymizer.com
=
=This one even gave me a map showing where I lived :-<.

I didn't get the map. It's probably just set up with a list of addresses of
major service providers on the 'Net. If your machine's address (This
address exists for every machine on the Internet, and a temporary address
is often assigned to your machine when you dial into your service
provider. It is *NOT* your e-mail address) matches one of the addresses on the
list, it will cough up the map for you. Obviously, they don't know about
Japan. I could set up something similar with a bit of legwork (to get a list
of addresses) and a little programming.

=You can read about the issue of internet privacy at the Center for Democracy
=and Technology here:
=
=http://www.13x.com/cgi-bin/cdt/snoop.pl
=
=According to this non-profit organization, if someone is motivated enough to
=own the right equipment, they CAN get your email address to go along with
=who you work for and where you live and....

I found this one to contain a little too much hype and they have some
ambiguous statements that could be misinterpreted. Specifically, these
sentences are misleading:

% However, a web site operator with the right equipment and the desire to do
% so can easily obtain your e-mail address, the exact files you viewed, and
% other detailed information without your knowledge. And you reveal
% information to web site operators both directly and indirectly.

The implication is that your e-mail address can be gotten from you if you just
visit their site. Not true. As I said, most browsers do *NOT* give out your
e-mail address when you visit a site. Usually, you have to specifically give
your e-mail address away for people to know it.

They also make a warning about "cookies". Cookies are a way for a site to
store a little information on your computer so that the next time you visit,
it can retrieve that information again and do whatever it needs to do. But
note how this works. The site is not taking information from you, it is giving
information to you (to be read back later). Cookies cannot be used as a way to
steal information from your computer. I've used cookies myself on sites that
I've worked on (not on the Origami Page, though). They are mostly harmless.
Besides, if you're truly paranoid, you can set your browser to ignore cookies.

=(Doesn't make me feel too happy....I do a lot of surfing for myself, work,
=the library, etc. and sometimes I wind up at some STRANGE sites. Even if I'm
=only there for a few seconds, I've left my footprints. But I tell myself
=that with the volume of hits at most sites, its quite unlikely that anyone
=is interested in me on an individual basis.)
=
=Good news is that if you want to, you CAN become "anonymous" by going
=through the first site above or some of the search engines. A bit of a
=hassle though.

That's true. Most sites get so many visitors that trying to track individuals
is a waste of time. Take a look at the "Usage Statistics" section of my
Origami Page to see the kinds of things this data is used for, as well as the
kinds of data that are available. You'll note that e-mail addresses are not
there. In fact, I often get e-mail from visitors to my site and am unable to
reply to them because they neglect to include a return address.

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 05:29:39 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: re: (NO) Web sites and e-mail.

I forgot to add this reference. This will give you a clearer picture of what
the Internet is like in terms of security (i.e. there really isn't any). Armed
with this knowledge, act accordingly.

<http://www.boardwatch.com/mag/95/apr/bwm1.htm>

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 08:19:24 -0400 (AST)
From: Stephen Blackman <s.blackman@cranfield.ac.uk>
Subject: Yoshizawa - Masterworks

------=_NextPart_000_01BC3460.05C850D0

This morning I received "A Compilation of Masterworks" by Yoshizawa. Joseph
Wu mentioned recently that this was published by the same people as Oru
magazine. As they have now gone out of business, this book may become
difficult to obtain and I would suggest that people interested in it try to
obtain it while they can.

The book is held by Sasuga and although it is expensive, it has a wide
range of models and each is photographed in colour or black and white.
There is also a serious of photographs at the back showing Yoshizawa at
work.

The models include: mouse, 2 cows, rabbit, chinese dragon, snake, ram,
goat, monkey, hen, 3 dogs, pig, cat, 6 birds, goldfish mobile, 2 other
fish, brontosauras, monkey and tree, 5 human figures, witch, faces, hina
dolls, 2 stars, 2 boats, 2 libra and taurus, 6 paper planes, 2 windmills.
None of the models are complex.

If Yoshizawa had to submit a CV to become a 'Natural Living Treasure', this
book would do very well!

Regards

Stephen Blackman
Cranfield University, UK
------=_NextPart_000_01BC3460.05C850D0

<html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><p><font size=3D2 =
color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Arial">This morning I received &quot;A =
Compilation of Masterworks&quot; by Yoshizawa. Joseph Wu mentioned =
recently that this was published by the same people as Oru magazine. As =
they have now gone out of business, this book may become difficult to =
obtain and I would suggest that people interested in it try to obtain it =
while they can.<br><br>The book is held by Sasuga and although it is =
expensive, it has a wide range of models and each is photographed in =
colour or black and white. There is also a serious of photographs at the =
back showing Yoshizawa at work.<br><br>The models include: mouse, 2 =
cows, rabbit, chinese dragon, snake, ram, goat, monkey, hen, 3 dogs, =
pig, cat, 6 birds, goldfish mobile, 2 other fish, brontosauras, monkey =
and tree, 5 human figures, witch, faces, hina dolls, 2 stars, 2 boats, 2 =
libra and taurus, 6 paper planes, 2 windmills. None of the models are =
complex. <br><br>If Yoshizawa had to submit a CV to become a 'Natural =
Living Treasure', this book would do very =
well!<br><br><br>Regards<br><br>Stephen Blackman<br>Cranfield =
University, UK</p>
</font></body></html>
------=_NextPart_000_01BC3460.05C850D0--





Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:05:31 -0400 (AST)
From: Margery.Webb@asu.edu
Subject: Personal or for everyone?

Sometimes I get 100 messages a day, and most are from the origami-l.
Sometimes I wish people would reply personally as many of you are now
wishing that I had done with this message :-)  I really enjoy the
math/teaching discussions!

Thanks, Margery





Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:14:44 -0400 (AST)
From: John Tobiasson <tobi@centuryinter.net>
Subject: Re: Personal or for everyone?

Margery, here is a personal note since you like math/teaching.  Please peek
at http://members.aol.com/synphusis/tobi/index.html  tobi@centuryinter.net

----------
> From: Margery.Webb@asu.edu
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject: Personal or for everyone?
> Date: Wednesday, March 19, 1997 7:05 AM
>
> Sometimes I get 100 messages a day, and most are from the origami-l.
> Sometimes I wish people would reply personally as many of you are now
> wishing that I had done with this message :-)  I really enjoy the
> math/teaching discussions!
>
> Thanks, Margery





Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:30:55 -0400 (AST)
From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@fantasyfarm.com>
Subject: Re: Personal or for everyone?

On 19 Mar 97 at 9:05, Margery.Webb@asu.edu wrote:

> Sometimes I get 100 messages a day, and most are from the origami-l.
> Sometimes I wish people would reply personally as many of you are now
> wishing that I had done with this message :-)

Won't work...  For this same reason I've suggested a few times that we
change the list from "reply to list" to "reply to author", and every time
folks have been quick and *extremely* adamant about reaffirming that they
_like_ getting the extra, often unintended email.

  /bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:13:53 -0400 (AST)
From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@fantasyfarm.com>
Subject: Re: No mail

On 18 Mar 97 at 12:00, MrsCalbash@aol.com wrote:

> Can anybody help me?
> About a month ago I stopped receiving origami-l postings. ...

Is anyone getting tired of this stuff?  I think it is obvious that the
listserv is *MUCH* too aggressive about summarily dumping folk from the
list...  Do you think we could prevail if we asked the list admin
would the list admin [I forget who it is] be willing to turn the feature
off? [it'll mean more work on the part of the list admin, of course, but
if the software is obviously not working very well and is causing
trouble..??...]

    for those of you who don't exactly know what I'm talking about or
    why so many people keep asking "Why aren't I on the list any
    more...", about six to eight months ago, new versions of the
    standard mailing-list software began appearing that included a
    new (mis?)feature: in order to make life easier for the sysadmin,
    instead of making the sysadmin have to look at the mailer errors
    that come back and make a _decision_ whether a person's email
    address is really dead or not, it included automatic algorithms to
    "guess" how severe the error was, and if the _software_ decided
    that the error was bad, it just *by*itself* dropped the offending
    address from the list.  The early versions of this software were
    *truly* awful: they'd dump people at the drop of a hat [the
    apparent rationale in the organization of the software was "make
    life as easy as possible for the list admin, if you screw up the
    people on the list a little bit, that's tough".]

    The problem with this whole approach to automatic-administration
    is that *much* too much of the time [as you can see right here on
    this list], it'll take what was obviously a transient error as
    evidence that the person's email address is dead and drop the
    person...

--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:12:35 -0400 (AST)
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: No mail

>
> On 18 Mar 97 at 12:00, MrsCalbash@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Can anybody help me?
> > About a month ago I stopped receiving origami-l postings. ...
>
> Is anyone getting tired of this stuff?  I think it is obvious that the
> listserv is *MUCH* too aggressive about summarily dumping folk from the
> list...  Do you think we could prevail if we asked the list admin
> to *disable* this wretched "feature"?  More to the point, if we asked
> would the list admin [I forget who it is] be willing to turn the feature
> off? [it'll mean more work on the part of the list admin, of course, but
> if the software is obviously not working very well and is causing
> trouble..??...]

Bernie, I read your complete letter and actually agree with some of what you
wrote. But here is the flip side of the coin. Why should the administrator
suffer? I'd say 99% of the time when something goes wrong it is due to
something at the individual's local provider. The individual who has been
dropped may as well yell at that provider. Sure you see lots of complaints
about individuals being dropped, or their email being postponed without
their knowledge, but if you'd issue a REVIEW ORIGAMI-L command you'd see how
many more individuals do not complain because they have never been dropped.
You can always issue a review command to the listserv to see all who are
subscribed. If that message bounces back to you I guess you can just
resubscribe.
Just my 2 cents.

--
Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org
sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu





Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:10:21 -0400 (AST)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Get a list of military technical reports on Origami

Along time ago, Troy Tate wrote:

+In yesterday's (2/12) Austin (TX) American-Statesman there was an article
+about a guy that has won an award from MIT for being a creative person.
+One of the things the article talked about was how bellows are used in
+mechanical applications. He has found a way to fold bellows from
+a smaller piece of rigid plastic that makes it more efficient than
+bellows made from metal. It was very interesting about how this
+physicist is making practical use of accordion folds.
+
+If you want to find out more about this fellow, the Austin American-
+Statesman has searchable archives on the WWW. However, this
+article won't be in the archives until tomorrow (2/14). The URL for
+this site is: http://www.austin360.com/main/archive.htm. I would
+imagine you might be able to search on the keywords BELLOW(s)
+or MIT, inventor.

Has anyone been able to find the article on the site?  If so, could you send
the search criteria used.  I've been unsuccessful enough that I am too
irritated to keep trying (for now anyways).

-Doug





Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:32:18 -0400 (AST)
From: preaux <preaux@univ-lyon1.fr>
Subject: Re: [NO] Web sites and e-mail (was RE: NO (Junk e-mail))

Joseph Wu wrote:

>
> So, don't worry about this particular aspect of web surfing. Your e-mail
> address is safe unless you give it away (e.g. by filling in a form).
>
Are you sure of that ? for example when you acces to a FTP server the
default is often to give an email address for login...

cyrille





Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:58:06 -0400 (AST)
From: "Goveia, William P" <wgoveia@indiana.edu>
Subject: RE: [NO] Web sites and e-mail (was RE: NO (Junk e-mail))

> > address is safe unless you give it away (e.g. by filling in a form).
> >
> Are you sure of that ? for example when you acces to a FTP server the
> default is often to give an email address for login...
>
> cyrille
> [Goveia, William P]
>
> To which you can respond with any old string of characters.  The most
> sophisitcated FTP serving sotware I have come accross only checks for
> the @ sign  and a period in the address...





Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:45:55 -0400 (AST)
From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@fantasyfarm.com>
Subject: Re: [NO] Web sites and e-mail (was RE: NO (Junk e-mail))

On 19 Mar 97 at 15:32, preaux wrote:

> Joseph Wu wrote:
>
> >
> > So, don't worry about this particular aspect of web surfing. Your e-mail
> > address is safe unless you give it away (e.g. by filling in a form).
> >
> Are you sure of that ? for example when you acces to a FTP server the
> default is often to give an email address for login...

Not to put too fine a point on it, but giving it as an email address for
login certainly counts as 'give it away', no?  Many ftp sites don't check
the 'anon password' at all, so you can give anything... some are set to
"strict checking" and actually requires that the password you give is a
legal one... but that's OK --- next tim eyou anon FTP, just use Joseph's
email address for your password... [no don't do that, but you can use
"postmaster@<yoursite>" or "abuse@<yoursite>"]

  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:11:31 -0400 (AST)
From: Lisa.Hodsdon/McDougal/hmco@Owl.nstn.ca
Subject: NO: junk e-mail

I've had a couple of people who subscribe to the list reply to me
privately to say that they receive virtually *no* junk e-mail. This
suggests that no one has (yet) used the origami-l "review"  list
for junk mail. Someone suggested (privately) that it wouldn't
really be a very efficient way to collect addresses. I agree it
isn't as easy as a 'bot to collect names from usenet.

If you are worried that it *could* happen, you can "conceal" your
identity, thus removing your name from the "review" and "statistics"
lists.

To do so, send a message to
      listserv@nstn.ca

with the message
 set origami-l conceal yes

To unconceal yourself, send the message
    set origami-l conceal no

Bear in mind, that if you conceal yourself, you will no longer be
able to check the "review" list to determine whether you are
still subscribed when you mysteriously stop receiving messages.
Also, no one else on the list will be able to find your e-mail address
when they want to send you a private message for some reason.
There are ways around both of these problems, but they aren't
as easy.

I thought I remembered finding a web-site about junk e-mail, but
I didn't bookmark it, and now I can't find it.

http://www.russ-smith.com/

contains a list of sites about junk e-mail. (I am not citing the exact
address for the list, 'cause the page says it will soon be split into
smaller lists.)

Happy trails!
Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:41:04 -0400 (AST)
From: Douglas Zander <dzander@solaria.sol.net>
Subject: Re: [NO] ftp anon logins

>
>
> > > address is safe unless you give it away (e.g. by filling in a form).
> > >
> > Are you sure of that ? for example when you acces to a FTP server the
> > default is often to give an email address for login...
> >
> > cyrille
> > [Goveia, William P]
> >
> > To which you can respond with any old string of characters.  The most
> > sophisitcated FTP serving sotware I have come accross only checks for
> > the @ sign  and a period in the address...
>

 Some time ago I came across an ftp site that asked that I enter my login
 name and address as password and when I accidentally misspelled my name
 it caught me and said that that was not my login name and address.  But
 this was using ftp from a unix shell not from a web account, it might be
 different.  Anyways, using ftp from a unix shell account the other computer
 already knows your name and (computer) address.

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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 21:28:07 -0400 (AST)
From: Irie40@aol.com
Subject: Re: Posniewski Crane Project

I think the wedding is in June - I am sure she would love any contributions.
 I sent mine a few weeks ago.





Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:01:28 -0400 (AST)
From: steve179@ix.netcom.com (Steven Anthony Morisi)
Subject: Also New

Hi. My name's Steve Morisi. I've joined Origami USA... and "The Paper"
led me to this list. I work in Pearl River New York ... are there any
groups of folders around there ? Thanks.





Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:58:59 -0400 (AST)
From: Steven Casey <scasey@enternet.com.au>
Subject: Re: No mail

>>
>> On 18 Mar 97 at 12:00, MrsCalbash@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> > Can anybody help me?
>> > About a month ago I stopped receiving origami-l postings. ...
>>
>> Is anyone getting tired of this stuff?

I'm missing all the messages for the 14th, 15th 16th and 17th of March due
to being dropped from the list. I thought it might be because I was
automaticly set to postpone. To test this I tried to reset the status using
set ORIGAMI-L ACK.
I received the message "You are not subscribed to origami-l@nstn.ca".

I then resubscribed using the following syntax: subscribe origami-l <your name>
I think rather being dropped I would prefer the postpone option. Could the
system be set up in that way?

Carmel Morris had the same problem the week before. I suggested the postpone
command. But maybe she was unsubscribed as well.

In an earlier posting the following was suggested by Marc Kirschenbaum, to
check if your still on the list:

>Send a mail
>(with no subject), to listserver@nstn.ca. The body should read REVIEW
>ORIGAMI-L. Usually, within a few minutes, an email will arrive with a
>listing of the current members. To catch up on old mail, archives are kept
>at ftp.rug.nl in the /origami, I believe in the /archives subdirectory. You
>can also do a search on old articles through search engines like the one
>found at Alex Bateman's page
>(http://www.mrc-cpe.cam.ac.uk/jong/agb/origami.html).

In order the thing to do, would be to review the listing using: REVIEW
ORIGAMI-L
Next reset your status with :  ORIGAMI-L ACK.
As a last resort : subscribe origami-l <your name>

Cheers,

Steven Casey
scasey@enternet.com.au
