




Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 16:34:49 -0400 (AST)
From: nienhuis@westworld.com (Bob Nienhuis)
Subject: Re: National Living Treasures

>On Fri, 14 Mar 1997, Mitsuhiko Ota wrote:
>
>=The National Living Treasure Homepage (http://www.bch.isp.ntt.jp/topics/
>=ningen-kokuhou/main-e.htm) has a list of the current Bearers of
>=Important Intangible Cultural Properties (i.e. the 'living treasures').
>=Alas, Yoshizawa is not one of them.

And Joseph Wu added:

>Thanks! I just went to take a look. However, you've got a mistake in your URL.
>Here's the correct one:
>
><http://www.kbch.isp.ntt.jp/topics/ningen-kokuhou/main_e.htm>
>

I hereby noninate Yoshizawa as a WORLD Living Treasure!

Seriously, perhaps this is something that, thru the internet, could be
done. All of the arts and crafts groups could submit nominations,
and a commission decide.

If it were to be done, I suggest that the honor not be given lightly,
lest it be devalued. There should be a limit to the list of honorees,
and the list should be short.

Bob Nienhuis
nienhuis@westworld.com
http://www.wgn.net/~nienhuis/





Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 17:03:49 -0400 (AST)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Chess

Nick Robinson wrote:
+The BOS did a booklet on the chess sets of Wall, Hulme & ELias, but it's
+out of print. If there's enough demand, we could republish it....

That would be GREAT!

My understanding from previous origami-l messages is that B.O.S. is
temporary out of publishing funds until it can sell enough of the COET
'91 Proceedings...

I am curious to know how the publishing part of B.O.S. has its booklets
printed.  Are they printed in the small booklet because of stylistic
reasons, printer discounts, or ???

Personally, I would like to get my hands on B.O.S. booklets from the
original printing runs, in addition to any re-release copies (2nd
editions, etc.).

Realisticly, I would like to purchase reprints of the original B.O.S.
booklets.

I would even settle for "collections", say of 10 booklets, printed
(preferably two sided) on the the next size up sheet (A4?), so that one
sheet of the reprint contains the facing pages from the original
(A-series paper makes this a big win).

I am saddened by the number of origami books which seem to be fading
into "out of print status."  BOS being much further away than OUSA, I am not
sure what I can actually do to help.

Hmmm, Maybe Dover could be talked into reprinting groups of BOS
booklets?  (I'm sure there are issues regarding "control" within B.O.S.
that would have to be resolved too).  I know that authors, esp. via
Dover, don't make much on their books, but the way I see it now, B.O.S.
isn't making a pence on booklets that it can't sell!

-Doug





Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 18:15:59 -0400 (AST)
From: DLister891@aol.com
Subject: Re: 2nd International Meeting Otsu 1994.

In his message dated 14/03/97  John Smith wrote:

<< If anyone is in touch with Japan I wonder if they could find out whether
the
 proceedings of the 2nd meeting on Origami Science and Scientific Origami
held in Otsu in Nov.-Dec. 1994, have been published. If they have not been
 published, is it still the intention to publish? This was one of the most
 important meetings ever held on Origami and it would be a tragedy if the
 papers are not made available in one way or another, >>

I wish to repeat and re-emphasise in the strongest possible way all that John
has said. The Otsu Meeeting was momentous in every way. It was of the
greatest importance in both science and paperfolding and also, i may say, in
the history of paperfolding. It is utterly vital that the Proceedings should
be printed.

Personaly, I am anxiously waiting for many specific articles, because I know
they contain information which is vital.. I also want to study the articles
which I was unable to attend, but which I know are important.

I hope that subscribers to Origami-L will stress to the organizing committee
of the Second International Meeting that the Proceeedings MUST be
published.If they are not, then the great importance of the Meeting will
needlessly be lost.

David Lister.

Grimsby, England'

DLister891@AOL.com





Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 18:56:12 -0400 (AST)
From: Contractors Exchange <contract@pipeline.com>
Subject: re:ORIGAMI-L digest 656

At 10:26 AM 3/14/97 -0400, "Gerard Blais" <gblais@nortel.ca> wrote:

>The smallest I've been able to fold is the scorpion from a 15 cm foil.
>I usually find paper is too "bouncy" for some of these folds.  It just
>keeps opening up.  How do you people deal with those super thick parts?
>Would wet folding help?

Wet folding and foil backing are common techniques for dealing with springy
paper. Combining the two techniques (wet folding foil paper), tends not to
work too well. Sometimes, a model just calls for larger paper. I feel if
you are going to put the effort into creating a lot of detail, you might as
well be able to see your efforts. For info on foil backing and wetfolding,
OrigamiUSA's Paper HAndling Techniques is an excellent nook. Nick Robinsom
also has some good tips at his web site.

Marc





Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 19:35:30 -0400 (AST)
From: mplewinska@earthlink.net (Magdalena Cano Plewinska)
Subject: Re: Miniature fold

On Thu, 13 Mar 1997 11:18:32 -0400 (AST), Eric Andersen
<Eric_Andersen@brown.edu>  wrote:

>Oops! Well, yes they're *all* difficult to fold with a 1-inch sheet!
>I meant 10-inch...

 Those zeros will get you into trouble every time <G>.

   - Magda Plewinska
     Miami, FL, USA
     Email: mplewinska@earthlink.net





Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 21:37:59 -0400 (AST)
From: Steve Theil <theil@htonline.com>
Subject: Origami-L: re Clear Paper

If you are looking for the clear paper that is used to cover book jackets,
try your local Barnes & Noble. I believe it is standard practice for every
B & N to stock a roll of this paper behind the gift wrap counter to use
when customers request a clear cover for hardcover book jackets. It comes
in a big roll with white paper flaps along the edges and is cut to length
for the size of the book to be covered.

If you buy a hardback book and ask for a cover for the jacket they can cut
you a length for your book. Usually they will attempt to put this on the
book for you, but will be most grateful if you just ask for the cover and
tell them you'll put it on yourself (at least that's been my experience).

For some reason (well, maybe for the obvious reason) B & N doesn't
advertise this service (and don't train all their clerks to be aware of it,
or how to use the cover paper), but I do believe it is available in all
their stores. At least it has been in the past, and it can't hurt to ask
the next time you buy a hardback with a dust jacket.

Good luck!
Linda Theil
theil@htonline.com





Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 21:48:09 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: 2nd International Meeting Otsu 1994.

On Fri, 14 Mar 1997 DLister891@aol.com wrote:

=I hope that subscribers to Origami-L will stress to the organizing committee
=of the Second International Meeting that the Proceeedings MUST be
=published.If they are not, then the great importance of the Meeting will
=needlessly be lost.

And who might the organisers be? I'm dropping in on the Tanteidan meeting at
the end of this month and I might be able to say something.

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 21:48:31 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: National Living Treasures

On Fri, 14 Mar 1997, Bob Nienhuis wrote:

=I hereby noninate Yoshizawa as a WORLD Living Treasure!
=
=Seriously, perhaps this is something that, thru the internet, could be
=done. All of the arts and crafts groups could submit nominations,
=and a commission decide.
=
=If it were to be done, I suggest that the honor not be given lightly,
=lest it be devalued. There should be a limit to the list of honorees,
=and the list should be short.

Well, Bob, I guess you'll have to start by forming that commission! 8)

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 04:38:37 -0400 (AST)
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: An origami-math puzzle!

In his column "Folder's Corner" in British Origami Magazine #182, Nick
Robinson asks this question:

"Folding a sheet of paper potentially allows you to see both sides of the
paper. The question is, what is the maximum amount of both sides that can be
seen, such that [the areas] are equal? The obvious answer is 1/3."

And he shows two solutions that give areas of 1/3. One solution is obtained
by folding over a rectangle 1/3 of the width of the square; obviously, the
rectangle is 1/3 of the area, and since it covers up 1/3, what's left of the
other side must also have area 1/3. Nick also shows a solution where you fold
up one corner along the diagonal; and obviously, if you make the corner have
1/3 of the area of the square, it covers up 1/3 of the paper and again,
what's left visible of the other side is also obviously 1/3 of the area.

>From these two examples, it's tempting to assume that the answer is indeed
1/3 = 0.3333333... is the maximum area possible for each region. But as so
often is the case, temptation leads one astray, and it is actually possible
to fold a square in such a way as to make the two colored regions equal in
area (though not in shape) and larger than 1/3.

Rather than give the answer away and spoil the fun, I'll just throw out that
I've found a solution whose area is 0.337344 -- about 1% larger than Nick's
conjecture, but I haven't proven that it's the optimum. So here's the
challenge: can you find a solution that has an area equal or larger than
0.337344? And can you prove whether or not your solution is the optimum?

Have fun,

Robert





Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 10:28:45 -0400 (AST)
From: Kenji Houston <hokido@primenet.com>
Subject: origami webpage

I'm publishing my origami webpage. It will have pictures, short
description of the model and its creator. And where the instructions
and/or model might be purchased. Any assistance will be apreciated.

Kenji Houston
http://www.primenet.com/~hokido/origami.htm





Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 11:07:51 -0400 (AST)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re:Origami 12 Step Program.

to anyone who hasn't read  Re:origami addiction???  by JT Weres.  It is the
12 steps of origami.  It is so funny!  Dorigami





Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 11:09:24 -0400 (AST)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: origami addiction???2

Dear JTWeres,
Your 12 step Origami Program is so funny.....ha,ha,ha,ha,ha.  I loved it.  In
case some people didn't pick up on it, why don't you send the same message
and call it 12 step Origami Program .  Thank you for providing a good belly
laugh.....Dorigami





Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 11:20:00 -0400 (AST)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: 2nd International Meeting Otsu 1994.

David Lister wrote:

>
>I hope that subscribers to Origami-L will stress to the organizing committee
>of the Second International Meeting that the Proceeedings MUST be
>published

One month ago I asked this question to Prof. Humiaki Huzita, who organized
the first Meeting and promoted the second. Humi has in turn sent an enquiry
to Prof. Koryo Miura, who has replied that the Proceedings are going to be
published soon. That's all I know at the moment. Cross fingers.... :-)

Roberto





Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 11:21:35 -0400 (AST)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: An origami-math puzzle!

Robert Lang wrote:

>"Folding a sheet of paper potentially allows you to see both sides of the
>paper. The question is, what is the maximum amount of both sides that can be
>seen, such that [the areas] are equal? The obvious answer is 1/3."

>Rather than give the answer away and spoil the fun, I'll just throw out that
>I've found a solution whose area is 0.337344

Hmmm.... this does not seem to be possible.

When one folds part of the square, one can identify three areas: the
"folded" area of a different color (say X), the "covered" or hidden area
(which must also be X), and the "uncovered" area, equal to the total area
less twice the folded area, i. e. (1 - 2*X). If the "folded" and "uncovered"
area must be equal, then X = (1 - 2*X) which is solved by X = 1/3. If the
folded area does not lie completely within the square, then there will a
small flap folded outside (say, Y) and the equation is solved by X =
(1-Y)/3, obviously less that 1/3. In no case can it be greater than 1/3.

(oh, well.... unless there is some unfair "trick" in your solution ! I am
curious...)

Roberto





Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 13:36:35 -0400 (AST)
From: Kenny1414@aol.com
Subject: Re: An origami-math puzzle!

In a message dated 97-03-15 10:38:23 EST, you write:

<< When one folds part of the square, one can identify three areas: the
 "folded" area of a different color (say X), the "covered" or hidden area
 (which must also be X), and the "uncovered" area, equal to the total area
 less twice the folded area >>

I don't know the details, but you've overlooked a fourth possibility. There
is no reason for the "folded" area to match the "covered" area. Part of the
"folded" area may go past the "covered" area and be "folded but
non-covering". There will be a "covered" area, but it will be less than "X".

Aloha,

kenny1414@aol.com
Kenneth M. Kawamura
PO Box 6039
E Lansing, MI  48826-6039





Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 13:42:20 -0400 (AST)
From: DLister891@aol.com
Subject: Re: 2nd International Meeting Otsu 1994.

Many thanks Roberto for the news about the Proceedings. The news is very
reassuring. Let's hope the Proceedings appear soon. I am sure that they will
be of the greatest interest to everybody, whether they attended the Meeting
or not. So get ready to place your orders!

In view of Roberto's response, I do not think there is any need to give the
names of the organizers of the Meeting, but if anyone wants to enquire
directly, the address of the Secretariat was, and presumably still is:

Origami Science Meeting, 1994,
Seian University of Art and Design,
Ohgi,  Otsu,  Shiga,
520 - 02  Japan.

David Lister,

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.com





Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 14:40:37 -0400 (AST)
From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@fantasyfarm.com>
Subject: Re: An origami-math puzzle!

On 15 Mar 97 at 11:21, Robby/Laura/Lisa wrote:

> Robert Lang wrote:
>
> >"Folding a sheet of paper potentially allows you to see both sides of the
> >paper. The question is, what is the maximum amount of both sides that can be
> >seen, such that [the areas] are equal? The obvious answer is 1/3."
>
> >Rather than give the answer away and spoil the fun, I'll just throw out that
> >I've found a solution whose area is 0.337344
>
> Hmmm.... this does not seem to be possible.
>
> When one folds part of the square, one can identify three areas: the
> "folded" area of a different color (say X), the "covered" or hidden area
> (which must also be X),

Ah, there's the problem: it need not "also be X".  I think I see the way
to get more than 1/3, but I'm still slogging through the trig/algebra.

If you have a square with corners A and B at the top and C and D at the
bottom, you can fold corner C up so that it is on the edge A-B.  When you
do that, you'll, see that a little triangle sticks out past edge B-D.  You
can gain the same effect by having edge C stick out past edge A-B and even
with it falling short of A-B.  If you have it come up past edge A-B, then
you get TWO little one-layer triangles: one where corner C sticks past A-B
and one where corner D is folded out past edge B-D.  The clearest way to
see where all of these triangles is is to bring the midpoint of C-D to
corner B.  Then you have one-layer triangles at corners C and D.

What I need to find is the locus of places for corner C such that the top
and bottom of the paper show equal areas, then along that locus solve for
the place with the largest visible shared area...  I started trying to
play through the math and it got ugly [where's Maple when you need
it..:-)].

  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 15:24:40 -0400 (AST)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Chess

Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com> sez

>My understanding from previous origami-l messages is that B.O.S. is
>temporary out of publishing funds until it can sell enough of the COET
>'91 Proceedings...

We had 4/5 stock items with over %60 of the stock value. These have been
*substantially* written down, so things are a little better now

>I am curious to know how the publishing part of B.O.S. has its booklets
>printed.  Are they printed in the small booklet because of stylistic
>reasons, printer discounts, or ???

A5 seemed a popular format - cheap & easily stored, it also fits with
the magazine - I have great difficulty storing the OUSA mag safely....

>Realisticly, I would like to purchase reprints of the original B.O.S.
>booklets.

This is on the cards - our priority is new booklets (at least 5 coming
out soon) but a lower quality reprint of old stuff is a real
possibility. The A4 idea is possible - I'll pass it on....

>Hmmm, Maybe Dover could be talked into reprinting groups of BOS
>booklets?

I don't think they would have sufficient sales potential, sadly.

Thanks for your thoughts!

all the best,

Nick Robinson

personal email  nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk





Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 15:40:46 -0400 (AST)
From: VVOrigami@aol.com
Subject: Clear Paper (book covers)

Several styles and grades of the clear "paper"
(plastic/mylar) covers for book dust jackets are
available from the big library supply business,
Gaylords. They also carry glassine, which is not
"clear", but folds better (also an acid free/archival
quality), and a few other papers and supplies of
interest to origami folks.

I've found most "clear" materials (plastic/mylar/cellophane)
tricky to fold all but simple folds, as it is hard to tell where
your are, they tend to split along folds, or are hard to crease.etc.)
Fun to experiment with though.

--valerie
valerivann@aol.com
75070.304@compuserve.com





Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 15:42:30 -0400 (AST)
From: VVOrigami@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fadeless Papers

I have a catalog from a Stockton, CA  school supplies business
that lists several forms of the "Fadeless" papers. The standard form
that I obtained a carton of sometime ago thru an art supply store
is 12x18 in packages of 60, 3 ea 20 colors. It is heavier weight than
regular origami, but folds well.

The Stockton business listed a duo form (colored on both sides), but
I didn't get around to checking that out. Has anyone else seen this form?
They also had the big rolls to make backgrounds for displays and
bulletin boards.

FYI: more than 25 years ago I made a large modular origami ball of
all 20 of the colors of "Fadeless Paper". This ball hung in my office
under florescent lights and also in a sunny window for between 12 and
15 years before I took it home. It now hangs in my bedroom. In all that
time, the colors scarcely faded, and only now have they done so, with
the blues and purples going to grey, as is typical of colored paper under
ultraviolet (florescent/sunlight) light. So the stuff *IS* realy "FADELESS".
The only other deterioration, after perhaps ten years or so, was that the
paper became somewhat brittle; this is probably wood based, acidic
paper, so that would be expected. So what you fold of it is good for
at least 10-15 years under display condition, probably longer if kept
away from ultraviolet light.

Stuff makes great modulars.

Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com
valerivann@aol.com
vvorigami@aol.com





Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 15:44:02 -0400 (AST)
From: VVOrigami@aol.com
Subject: Jackson Encyclopedia

FYI: Fascinating Folds is listing the Paul Jackson
Encyclopedia on the books page of their web page
storefront, so apparently it is available again.

--valerie





Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 16:23:52 -0400 (AST)
From: fold4wet@juno.com (Rosalind F Joyce)
Subject: Re: wet folding foil paper

I have some large sheets of heavily embossed alligator patterned foil
paper.  The paper backing is rather thick and doesn't hold folds well,
at all.  It also breaks when folded more than once.  It's great looking
stuff, in spite of being old and dried up.  (Hmm, I wonder if I'll
regret not erasing that last sentence.)  I was determined to use it.  It
was successfully wet folded into awesome dragon.  Of course, I won't say
much about a few other messy attempts with foil papers ultimately
deposited in circular file.  RosJoyce





Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 16:28:36 -0400 (AST)
From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@pb.net>
Subject: Re: An origami-math puzzle!

> Rather than give the answer away and spoil the fun, I'll just throw out that
> I've found a solution whose area is 0.337344 -- about 1% larger than Nick's
> conjecture, but I haven't proven that it's the optimum. So here's the
> challenge: can you find a solution that has an area equal or larger than
> 0.337344? And can you prove whether or not your solution is the optimum?
>
> Have fun,
>
> Robert

Robert,

How about 100% by folding in front of a mirror?

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 17:14:46 -0400 (AST)
From: Pat Slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: marbling site (paper & supplies)

Just came across the following site selling hand-marbled paper ($9 for a 19"
x 25" sheet) and marbling supplies:

http://members.aol.com/marbling/marbling/index.htm

This site also has a page of "marbling" history and other related information.

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 19:30:29 -0400 (AST)
From: CloudRunn@aol.com
Subject: Secret Life CD Web Site

Hi!

For everybody interested in our "Origami - The Secret Life of Paper" CD-ROM,
we have finally put up an informative web site at:

http://cloudrunner.com

This is our first attempt at a web site, so please bear with us while we
figure out what we're doing!

Thanks!

Neil & Jean Alexander
CloudRunner, Inc.

BTW - Our site assumes you have a JPEG enabled browser.





Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 21:15:06 -0400 (AST)
From: nienhuis@westworld.com (Bob Nienhuis)
Subject: Re: National Living Treasures

>
On Fri, 14 Mar 1997, Bob Nienhuis wrote:

=I hereby nominate Yoshizawa as a WORLD Living Treasure!
=
And Joseph Wu replied:

>Well, Bob, I guess you'll have to start by forming that commission! 8)

Following up on that idea, I would like to suggest two possible
courses of action.

First a more modest proposal, one the world origami community could do
itself.

I.MODEST PROPOSAL
A program could be set up to designate special persons as World
Living Treasures. This program would be loosely modeled on the
Japanese program of designating people as National Living Treasures.

1. One of the large Origami organizations should copyright the phrase,
"WORLD LIVING TREASURE". Alternatively, each origami organization could
copyright the phrase for use in their own country. Perhaps the BOS or
OUSA might spearhead this action.

Other arts or crafts groups could then be licensed to use the phrase
to designate masters their own art if their designees met similar
criteria or standards.

2. A set of criteria should be agreed upon by the national organizations.
The criteria for designating a person as a World Living Treasure should
be stringent, approximating Yoshizawa's accomplishments. Namely, having
elevated their craft to a new level or plateau, particularly if it has
brought their craft to a new international audience. The designation
should be applied only to the mold breakers and path finders of the
world, and to acknowledged masters for a lifetime of achievement.

3. All known national origami organizations would then be contacted,
and asked to endorse the designation of Yoshizawa as a World Living
Treasure.

4. If all goes well, a ceremony could be performed at a large (World?)
origami convention.

II. MORE AMBITIOUS PROPOSAL
A similar program could be established under the sponsorship of an
existing world organization, most likely the United Nations (UNESCO?).
Alternatively, sponsorship could be obtained by a corporation (Bill
Gates?, Disney?). Perhaps a producer or TV network could be contacted
show. The awards shows seem to be quite popular, and I would assume,
profitable. Perhaps the BBC could be contacted.
(Note:I have some friends who are involved with the UN and could be
contacted. I broached the idea to one friend and it was recieved
favorably.)

Anyone have comments or suggestions?

Would Nick be willing to take the idea to the BOS board? I think we have
a few OUSA board members on the list, Would anyone be willing to take the
idea to the OUSA board?

Bob Nienhuis
nienhuis@westworld.com
origami page at
http://www.wgn.net/~nienhuis/





Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 10:37:57 -0400 (AST)
From: Jack & Emma Craib <gearhead@snet.net>
Subject: preventing decay of Fadeless

Hi all,  In case it hasn't been mentioned before, Talas (NYC) used to
sell a spray of a ph control for paper called "Wei T'o Deacidifier" . It
is also handy for those books you wish to keep forever but don't want to
disbind and wash and rebind.  (Please note that this WILL NOT restore
papers that  have already become brittle.)
  If you want to go to the trouble of preparing your wood based papers
beforehand, the following formula is cheap and real:

To deacidify-   1 Tablespoon Milk of Magnesia in 1 quart soda water,
recap the bottle and keep in the frig.
   Of course, you have to press your paper to flatten it after
washing.    I wonder if one could dunk already folded models?
I know it sounds crack brained, but it is real :-) !
Emma





Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 11:04:26 -0400 (AST)
From: Jack & Emma Craib <gearhead@snet.net>
Subject: PS  on fadeless/brittle

If you are deacidifying a rare or expensive paper, check for color
fastness before dunking it in the bath of soda water and m.of m..
To do this place one drop of water on the colored surface, then blot (DO
NOT RUB) the drop with a clean, white tissue.  If any color comes up you
know you will be taking some risk if you dunk it.  The drop and _quick_
blotting should not mar the piece.    Talas also sells litmus testers
for paper.    If you are folding for the ages, use rag papers.  I've
handled papers from the 16th c. that are as lively and strong as the day
they were made.     Emma





Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 11:21:43 -0400 (AST)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: An origami-math puzzle!

Kenneth,

At 13.36 15/3/1997 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 97-03-15 10:38:23 EST, you write:
>
><< When one folds part of the square, one can identify three areas: the
> "folded" area of a different color (say X), the "covered" or hidden area
> (which must also be X), and the "uncovered" area, equal to the total area
> less twice the folded area >>
>
>I don't know the details, but you've overlooked a fourth possibility. There
>is no reason for the "folded" area to match the "covered" area. Part of the
>"folded" area may go past the "covered" area and be "folded but
>non-covering". There will be a "covered" area, but it will be less than "X".

I've not overlooked. This is just what I said at the _end_ of my message,
when I considered the possibility that the "folded" area does not lie
entirely within the square, i.e. it goes past the "covered" area.....

This also applies to the message by Bernie Cosell:

>Ah, there's the problem: it need not "also be X".  I think I see the way
>to get more than 1/3, but I'm still slogging through the trig/algebra.
(snip)

>What I need to find is the locus of places for corner C such that the top
>and bottom of the paper show equal areas, then along that locus solve for
>the place with the largest visible shared area...  I started trying to
>play through the math and it got ugly [where's Maple when you need
>it..:-)].

No Maple needed... :-) Regardless of where you place corner C, if there are
any flaps with total area Y "outside" the square, their area will have to be
subtracted and the "visible shared area" will be (1-Y)/3, that is, less than
1/3.....

Roberto





Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 12:00:49 -0400 (AST)
From: halgall@netverk.com.ar
Subject: Re:: An origami-math puzzle!

 Hi all,

  _______            a _______ b        _______
  !               !              !               !          !
!
  !               !              !               !          !
!              if    ==> X = Y = Z
  !               !              !               !          !
!
  ------------            c  ------------ d        ------------
         X                            Y                            Z

Is area equal in the A,B,C, when you fold? May be.

In draw A,  if you fold in three equal parts, yes is 1/3  of square  X, then
the same area white=shaded.

In draw B, what is the point that you considered for to fold triangle? at
some point produces equal areas,
but  how? This point is not arbitrary,  if you like obtein equal areas of
either face, but if you do not know how
is this point, you do not think that this area is equal. Without this exact
point, is difficult to know if white area is
equal to shaded area. And if  you think if this is 1/3 of the total area, ????

Nick wrote: "Folding a corner on a diagonal (drawing B) will also (at some
point) produce equal areas of
either face, but are these more or less than 1/3?" and " white area equal to
shaded area"

ex: square " Y"  for me.  IMHO.
take a square paper, and divide into squares, (may be 9 small squares), fold
a diagonal in one point
arbitrary, see your fold, count the small squares in one part, and another,
then , think:
square: b x h, total area (in mine square: 81), ( ab x ac)
triangle: b x h/2, if I considered 2 small squares in one corner (a) and 2
small squares in corner (d),
this new point are "e" and "f", ( triangle rectangle) , each one 2 cm.
The total area of the triangle is b x h/2 = 7 x 7 = 49 cm2. Then, white area
(for me) 49, but this is not 1/3
of the total square area, and the rest of the area of either face  is not
the same if I considered this number.

In draw C, if I consider if this is a part of square Z, in this,  is the
midway point? so, I think that is the
same area white=shaded, but i do not think that this is 1/3.

I'm curious, for the solution!!!!

Happy Folding!!!!

Patricia Gallo
halgall@netverk.com.ar





Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 12:15:48 -0400 (AST)
From: halgall@netverk.com.ar
Subject: Correction

When I write.
"The total area of the triangle is b x h/2 = 7 x 7 = 49 cm2."

I write now for correction:
The total area of the triangle is b x h/2 = 7 x 7 = 49 cm/2= 24,5 cm2
 Then, white area (for me) 24,5.  But this is not 1/3 of the total square area,
and the rest of the area of either face  is not the same if I considered
this number.
Total area square 81, 1/3 is  27cm2
Total area triangle rectangle: 24,5 cm2. If you considered this 1/3, well,
is near 1/3.

Patricia Gallo





Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 12:43:13 -0400 (AST)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: An origami-math puzzle!

OOOOPS !!!!! <:-(

Please disregard my previous messages. When I stated

<<No Maple needed... :-) Regardless of where you place corner C, if there
are any flaps with total area Y "outside" the square, their area will have
less than 1/3.....>>

..I was WRONG ! A damned ori-devil changed a sign without my realizing
it... The visible shared area is in fact (1+Y)/3, so Bernie was right: there
must a be a point where corner C will produce a "maximum shared area" A >
1/3. Somebody has possibly found it already.....:-)

So, where is Mathcad when one needs it ? Ah, here it is.....

hmmmmm, hmmmmm....

Roberto





Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 13:15:03 -0400 (AST)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: preventing decay of Fadeless

 Emma Craib wrote:
<.. Milk of Magnesia in 1 quart soda water,
< I wonder if one could dunk already folded models?
< know it sounds crack brained, but it is real

Far from crack brained; it is the method used by lots of small
historical societies (works great on newspaper).  The commercial
sprays, as I recall, can be used on bound materials, and thus
possibly on origami materials.

But... you do have to try a sample, especially with unusual papers,
color printing, etc. Also, I don't know what the result would be on
xerographic printing (including laser printing) and other heat-set
toner fused print methods, or of course the other various color
print technologies used with small computer systems (ink-jet,
wax-fusion...) These would have to be tested carefully first.

Again, the big USA library/museum/archive supply business,
Gaylords, carries all this stuff, and also supplies technical advice.
Incidentally, they have a series of acid free archive quality storage
boxes, incuding ones with multiple small compartments: perfect
for storing small origami models. (Designed for museum collections
of small items.)

When I made the original FADELESS paper ball/kusudama I wrote of,
I was not yet into bookbinding/making, paper technology, archiving &
library maintenance/repair/conservation, and so had not heard of
the milk-of-magnesia technique and similar treatments for preservation
of acidic paper products.

I did run a specific test of the FADELESS paper's
fade resistence after noting the the long life of the original ball; samples
left in florescent light and sunlight deliberately performed very well.

It might be noted that most regular (kami) origami paper fades rapidly
under those conditions, and the bright bond (including florescent colors)
copy papers readily available fade in matter of days in ultraviolet light,
though some are good for a couple of years under 40+ hours of
florescent light, as the gizmos (my twist unit balls) I have hanging in my
office indicate. But these were a good grade of coated color paper; the
typical bright colors used by copy shops for flyers don't last the week
outside; less in damp climates.

I've observed this first hand as a member of a
neighborhood cleanup squad of habitual pedestrians and eldery joggers:
we all hate "flyer litter" - the stuff everybody staples up on poles, trees,
benches, etc. but nobody takes down.  Some utility poles and even sides
of buildings had *dozens* of layers of the stuff; others looked like they had
some weird disease from where tape adhesive pulled the paint off or left
a nasty residue.

So a couple of years ago, I just started taking it down;
lost pets notices have a few weeks grace, local yard sales
until the day after the sale, commercial stuff comes down immediately...
After a couple of months, I found that the walkers/joggers from a nearby
senior citizens housing area had picked up on what I was doing and
extended it to the whole neighborhood, which is now virtually free of litter
of any kind... :-)

--valerie (getting off her soap box...)
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 00:56:34 -0400 (AST)
From: Pat Slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: More on deacidification...

I just recently went through a big deacidification project on an old,
fragile brassrubbing I was hoping to save....Anyway, you can find probably
more than you need to know about conserving paper at these two sites:

http://lcweb.loc.gov/preserv/presfaq.html
http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/

If you have a large amount of paper to deacidify or something particularly
valuable, there are businesses you can send the item/items to.

The best advice I got was from a relation who deals in comic books....If you
have an old origami model or other small deacidification project, I would
actually recommend taking it to a reputable dealer in comic books or
baseball cards. They are quite familiar with the problems of poor quality
paper and the issues in preserving it! And perhaps if you don't want to mess
with chemicals, etc. yourself, one of them might be willing to treat your
piece for a small fee.

And here are three sources for conservation supplies (including plastic book
jackets):

University Products, http://www.universityproducts.com/upi/,  800-762-1165
Brodart, http://www.brodart.com/, 800-233-8467
Gaylord, http://www.gaylord.com/

(I've purchased from Brodart, but felt that they are more interested in
dealing with libraries and purchase orders, etc....Next time I plan to try
Gaylord or University Products.)

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 16:37:21 -0400 (AST)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Posniewski Crane Project

Hi all,

        A few weeks ago Shelley Posniewski asked for crane contributions for an
     upcoming wedding (I think it was a wedding) - anyway, is the request still
     open or has the date passed?

               Origami:  "Welcome to the fold"

                     Steve Woodmansee

                     stevew@empnet.com

                    Bend, Oregon

            <bold>http://www.empnet.com/woodmansee

</bold>





Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 19:16:31 -0400 (AST)
From: DonnaJowal@aol.com
Subject: wedding cranes

Shelley Posniewski's request for cranes (all sizes and papers)is for her
daughter's wedding in May, so there should still be time.  If you've lost the
address it is:

4 Stephen Drive
Clifton Park NY  12065

Hope a lot of people have time to send some,

Donna Walcavage, Brooklyn and Manhattan





Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 20:18:07 -0400 (AST)
From: Douglas Zander <dzander@solaria.sol.net>
Subject: Re: The Paper Winter issue mailing

>
> Hello people!
>
> SO, if you are a member of OUSA and never received your copy of the
> Winter issue of The Paper (The one with David Brill on the
> cover), please let the OUSA office know and they will sent you a
> replacement copy.  (The phone number is (212) 768-5635.)
                                                ^^^^^^^^
The phone number is wrong;  this is correct>    769-5635
the other one is National Bank of New York.
Please check your past issues of The Paper to make sure I have the correct

> ---- Tom "messenger boy" Hull
>      hull@math.uri.edu
>      http://www.math.uri.edu/~hull
>

--
 Douglas Zander                | many things interest me, too many to list
 dzander@solaria.sol.net       | here.  if you want a profile :-)  why not
 Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA     | send me a letter?  tell me about yourself,
 "Over-looking Lake Michigan." | I'll tell you about myself.





Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 21:17:53 -0400 (AST)
From: Basyrett@aol.com
Subject: Re: NO

I wonder if anyone can help? ...  I am getting so much junk e mail it is hard
to find the important stuff within the jumble.  Any suggestions?

barb





Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 22:44:48 -0400 (AST)
From: LarryFinch@aol.com
Subject: Re: NO (not Origami)

>I wonder if anyone can help? ...  I am getting so much junk e mail it is
hard
>to find the important stuff within the jumble.  Any suggestions?
>
>barb

It won't help in the short term, but if you use AOL forward all junk mail to
screen name TOS Spam. AOL collects it and goes after the worst offenders.

Larry Finch
larry@jyacc.com
larryfinch@aol.com





Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 15:12:06 -0400 (AST)
From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@erols.com>
Subject: Re: An origami-math puzzle!

Rjlang@aol.com wrote:

>In his column "Folder's Corner" in British Origami Magazine #182, Nick
>Robinson asks this question:
>
>"Folding a sheet of paper potentially allows you to see both sides of the
>paper. The question is, what is the maximum amount of both sides that can be
>seen, such that [the areas] are equal? The obvious answer is 1/3."

>I've found a solution whose area is 0.337344 -- about 1% larger than

I had been mathematically tortured in "Taiwan" under multi-graded level!
That's why I can figure 15% tip out without calculater/pen at
restaurant! I
thought I can put math away while doing origami until Robert....
After being under the weather 3 days somehow I stepped down to take the
challenge (Don't ask me why).. no more!

I have no MAPLE, Mathematica, or MathCAD in hand. The equation I came up
was lengthy. So I ended up using programming language to solve it
digitally.
The solution turned out to be the same as what Robert found. The
analytical
form might need calculus to take care of it. The solution is to fold
along a
slant line with both ends on opposite sides of the square (size a x a).
 The
length from one end of the slant line to the nearest square corner is
0.4589a; The length from the other end of the slant line to the nearest
square corner would be 0.2158a. This is the optimized digital solution
for
folding along the line across the opposite sides of a square. I don't
know
the solution for the general folding.

How did Nick come up with this question? What's the application? I won't
pursue further unless I see the application or the beauty of the
geometry.

|------------------------------------------------------\
|  _     Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) <chens@asme.org>     |\
| |_| Folding http://www.erols.com/sychen1/pprfld.html --\





Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:10:41 -0400 (AST)
From: "Goveia, William P" <wgoveia@indiana.edu>
Subject: RE: NO

A couple of approaches here...

If it's junk you don't want:
--Reply and ask that you not receive any further unsolicited e-mail from
the sender.
--Write to the postmaster of the site and point out that you are
receiving unsolicited e-mail from one of their users.

If it's junk you do want:
--Does AOL Mail allow for rules?  I know Groupwise and Exchange have the
ability for you to make up rules to sort or delete mail. There is even
something similar (procmail) for unix based mail...
--if you have more than one e-mail address, use one to receive junk mail
(i.e. when you fill out a web form, use the junk mail address, unless
you are positive they won't be "spamming" you later), and one for "real"
mail.

Just a few suggestions, hope they help.

Thanks,
Bill

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Basyrett@aol.com [SMTP:Basyrett@aol.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 17, 1997 8:18 PM
> To:   Multiple recipients of list
> Subject:      Re: NO
>
> I wonder if anyone can help? ...  I am getting so much junk e mail it
> is hard
> to find the important stuff within the jumble.  Any suggestions?
>
> barb





Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 08:37:15 -0400 (AST)
From: ShelleyPos@aol.com
Subject: wedding cranes

I have received some cranes and would be thrilled to get any more that could
be sent!
I have about 700 finished ( I have done around 500 myself....other chores
have gone by the wayside...but hey...what's important??). So any cranes would
be very much appreciated and again thanks to those out there who have sent
some. They are great.

Wedding is in May; plenty of time to send them.

4 Stephen Drive
Clifton Park, New York 12065

Thanks for asking.
Shelley Posniewski





Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:18:15 -0400 (AST)
From: Lisa.Hodsdon/McDougal/hmco@Owl.nstn.ca
Subject: RE: NO (Junk e-mail)

<I apologize if I've sent this twice. My e-mail system just
freaked out because I deleted the message I was responding
to before I sent the reply. Arg.)

Barb (Basyrett @ aol.com) asked about reducing junk mail.

Do you post to usenet groups? Postings to usenet are commonly
believed to be the source of much junk e-mail. Many people use
a forged return address in the headers of usenet postings in
order to reduce unsolicited e-mail. I can't vouch for whether
this helps. Some claim it does.

Do you surf the web a lot? My understanding is that you often
leave your e-mail address behind, whether you willingly give it (by
filling in a form) or not. Again, this is hearsay. Can any of the
people who have a web-site confirm or deny this possibility?

I've been wondering about this list though. It is very easy for a
subscribed member to get a list of all the e-mail addresses of
subscribed members who don't "hide" their names. 500 names
for the pain of a couple of e-mails to the listserv (subscribe,
review, unsubscribe) and, of course, the danger of being
unable to unsubscribe!

I would be like to compare notes with someone else on the
list about junk mail received. If two of us receive the same mail
then that increases the likelihood that origami-l is the source
for at least some of the junk e-mail. *PLEASE DON'T* send a
list of the junk mail you receive to the list--talk about junk mail!
But contact me privately if you're interested in comparing
notes and I'll report back to the list if I find out anything of
interest.

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:14:06 -0400 (AST)
From:
 "/I=JJK/G=Jeffry/S=Kerwood/OU=PITTSBURGH/O=MELLON INFO SVCS/"@MELLON.sprint.com
Subject: New Guy on the Block.

Hi:  I'm Jeff Kerwood from Pittsburgh PA.  I am a new folder and my thirst
for folding knowledge is far outpacing my agility to read and research my
questions.  I am BURSTING with curiosity.

I have just a few (this is sarcasm here) questions.  Pull up your easy chair
and help out this eager new compadre.

1) I am learning ASL (American Sign Language), what is the sign for origami?

2) What do people feel about "folding in the air" v.s. folding on a table
(or other surface)?

3) For those who are "table folders" has anybody found a surface to fold on
that "makes a difference"?

4) Anybody know where I can get diagrams for a train set (my 4 year old
would love you)?

5) About how many people participate in this little origami e-mail family?

6) Where can I find (any size) 1 color, 1 PATTERN precut paper (each sheet
exactly the same) in bulk?  I have talked with FF and they said they can't
find it packaged that way.  Any other thoughts?  Any non-USA sources?

7) Surely someone has come up with a nifty way to cut squares!!!  Something
faster, more accurate, and maybe even more fun, than templates or
sliding/guillotine cutters???

8) I have a really cool idea.  I would love to see some good folders
folding.  But I don't personally know any so, what to do?  I would say thank
you 100 times to any good folder that would take me up on this. How about
you set up your camcorder and tape yourself folding something
complex/difficult.  Don't make a production out of it, just turn it on and
let it run (stay in your jammies and don't comb your hair if you like - I
just want to see your hands in action).  I'll buy the tape and pay for
postage.  I would learn so much watching how a good folder handles his paper
and executes some of the "tricky stuff".  Contact me at my personal email
address below if you are game.

9) Is all washi the same?  How can you tell the best from the so-so?

10) What is Chiyogami?  (As I said I am a real beginner).

11) What is your all time favorite model or tip?

12) I just folded my first tessellation.  I thought it would be fun to fold.
 It was, but it seemed to me to be something that only a folder could really
appreciate.  UNTIL, just putzing around, I held it up to a light -
WOWOWOWOWOW.  Really NICE.  I can't explain it, give it a try.  My wife does
framing so I am going to have her put one in a free standing frame (like a
frame on top of a candle stick holder) and put a 7 watt bulb behind it - it
is going to look VERY nice.  It would also look out-a-this-world as a
sun-chime (window ornament) or even as a lamp shade.

13)  Aside from Origami paper and "art" paper - what are some other good
papers to fold with?  So I can order it, please give brand names, addresses
and phone numbers if you know them.  Specifically what I'd like, if anyone
knows, is brand names of gift wrap paper that work well.

14)  Pat Slider mentioned using various stones for "ironing in creases".
 This sounded cool so I tried it.  I found a stone that worked well (for
$1.50), Hematite.  I thought I'd give Jade and Malachite a try.  The Jade
was wonderful.  It glided over the crease like ice on wet marble.  I tried
Malachite at two different stores.  One was nearly as good at the Jade, the
other was much rougher and did not have a clean glossy shine.  So, my
questions are (any jewelers out there?):   A) What made the difference?
 Quality of stone?  Tumble time?  Finish (Wax? - Polish?)?    B) Is there
official jeweler jargon that would allow intelligent discussion on this
topic?    C) What kind of finishes are normal for stones and which would
likely work best for creasing?  D) Are there any other stones I should
investigate?   E)  How about things other than stone (Synthetic Ivory? -
Ebony? - other ideas???)?

15) Pat Slider mentioned creasing with a carbuchon (a stone which is flat on
one side and rounded on the other).  Talking to gem guys they say the
spelling is cabochon.  (Pat: let us know if you had something else in mind).

16) Buying this folding stone has thrown me into a tumultuous philosophical
frenzy - am I a valid human being, is it bigotry, if I violate the ME +
PAPER bond?  I think.  Origami is not something separate from SELF but is
part of SELF.  To seek true and pure origami should not be to seek tradition
but to seek unity and harmony with ones SELF.  Some people find peace
sitting by a pond and considering the reflection of a cypress.  But equally
valid and happy are those who are calmed when engaging their newest gadgets.
 When I fold I have fifteen or so gadgets near by (seldom used but always
there), everything from dental tools and jewelry making tools to a shrimp
deviener. Eastern arts are so steeped with tradition.  I felt DEPRAVED until
I realized that Origami is ME, it must march on my lifes path, not molesting
my spirit but bringing expression to ME.  Is it possible that gadgetry, for
some, enriches the intamicy between SELF + PAPER?  Can not romance be
fevered with a little lace?

#####################################
#   I THINK - THEREFORE I AM.
#   I PERAMBULATE - THEREFORE I AM
#   I FOLD - THEREFORE I AM
#####################################

Jeff Kerwood
jeffry.j.j.k.kerwood@mellon.sprint.com





Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:13:21 -0400 (AST)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: RE: (Junk e-mail)

Lisa and everybody.  I too seem to be getting more and more junk E-mail....It
has now gotten to the stage that it is annoying even to have to reply to them
to tell them not to send anymore.  All suggestions as to how to  deal with
this problem are welcome..  Dorigami





Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:07:31 -0400 (AST)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Handling Lotsa Mail [NO]

Hi all:

        I belong to a couple of other mailing lists and both of them require a
     standard subject line.  For example HELP, IDEAS, REVIEW, etc.  The list
     manager rejects any messages that don't have one of the standard topics
     and it makes it soooo much easie

        I know, I know, someone has to do all this work - I'm just passing
     along the information for reference.

        Also Eudora Pro has excellent message sorting and multiple mailbox
     capability.  I sort out my mail as soon as I get it and it's a lot easier
     to determine what to toss without wading through all of it.

        At the very least, it would help if everyone would use the subject
     line...

               Origami:  "Welcome to the fold"

                     Steve Woodmansee

                     stevew@empnet.com

                    Bend, Oregon

            <bold>http://www.empnet.com/woodmansee

</bold>





Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:29:17 -0400 (AST)
From: Dan Johnson <D.Johnson@chemistry.leeds.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: No mail

Leslie,
        I think that your server must have set your mail setting to
     POSTPONE.....try sending a message to listserver@nstn.ca with the
     following in the body of the message:

set origami-l mail ack

Hope this helps......Dan





Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:24:32 -0400 (AST)
From: Brett Askinazi <brett@hagerhinge.com>
Subject: Re: RE: (Junk e-mail)

My suggestion to AOL users is to Ditch AOL for a local provider.  Larger
providers are easier targets (and more efficient) for unsolicited junk
mail.

'A course this is just my moneys worth.

Brett
brett@hagerhinge.com

----------
> From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject: Re: RE: (Junk e-mail)
> Date: Tuesday, March 18, 1997 10:13 AM
>
> Lisa and everybody.  I too seem to be getting more and more junk
E-mail....It
> has now gotten to the stage that it is annoying even to have to reply to
them
> to tell them not to send anymore.  All suggestions as to how to  deal
with
> this problem are welcome..  Dorigami





Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:20:25 -0400 (AST)
From: Brett Askinazi <brett@hagerhinge.com>
Subject: Re: New Guy on the Block.

> Hi:  I'm Jeff Kerwood from Pittsburgh PA.  I am a new folder and my
thirst
> for folding knowledge is far outpacing my agility to read and research my
> questions.  I am BURSTING with curiosity.
>
> 2) What do people feel about "folding in the air" v.s. folding on a table
> (or other surface)?
>

I do both, I think though almost always I start any precision needed
precreasing on the table to make the lines exact, then as the model
progresses I move off the table and go full hands on.  Unless further
precision is needed.

> 6) Where can I find (any size) 1 color, 1 PATTERN precut paper (each
sheet
> exactly the same) in bulk?  I have talked with FF and they said they
can't
> find it packaged that way.  Any other thoughts?  Any non-USA sources?
>

If you find a source let us know this could be valuable for modulars.

>
>
> 9) Is all washi the same?  How can you tell the best from the so-so?

Millions of types of Washi.  Ok not millions, check Joseph Wu's site for
this and chiyogami.

>
> 11) What is your all time favorite model or tip?
>

One of my favorite simple models is Paul Jacksons mouse, I can't remember
the book (I just have photocopies) because it Totes around many different
titles and publishing versions.

Brett
brett@hagerhinge.com





Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:34:04 -0400 (AST)
From: jfryer@lib.ursinus.edu
Subject: clear plastic material

        Sorry, I'm still behind in reading the digests, so if someone already
supplied this information, just skip ahead.

        Recently Chris Miller asked for sources of clear plastic covers that
libraries use.  I checked our catalogs and came up with these possibilities,
but I don't know whether they sell to individuals.

        Most of the cover material is self-adhesive book-sized pieces,
but here are two that are plain and on a roll.

Brodart  1-800-233-8959 ext. 780
   rolls   100 yd. long   1.5 mil
   9" wide   $32.40 + shipping
  24" wide   $72.95               also available in 10, 12, 13, 16"

Highsmith  1-800-558-2110
    rolls   300 ft. long    1 mil  acid-free
    8" wide  $22.60  + shipping   (to compare,  9"   $27.75)
   14"       $38.25               also 10, 12"
                         or
    rolls   300 ft. long     1.5 mil  acid-free
    8" wide  $24.65   + shipping    (9"   $29.85)
   16"       $45.70                also 10, 12, 14"

I've never used any of this for anything, so I don't know how it would work.

=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=

                               Judith E. Fryer
                     Reference Librarian, Myrin Library
           Ursinus College, Box 1000   Collegeville PA  19426-1000
             (610) 409-3000 ext. 2302      jfryer@lib.ursinus.edu





Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:00:28 -0400 (AST)
From: MrsCalbash@aol.com
Subject: No mail

Can anybody help me?
About a month ago I stopped receiving origami-l postings.  I assumed I had
been bumped, and tried to subscribe again.  This was refused since I was
already subscribed, so they said.  So I tried to report the problem to
listmgr@owl.nstn.ca, as instructed, and the message came back.  Tried again,
and it went through--but no response.  I tried again 2 days ago, still no
response.  I have also tried to unsubscribe, thinking maybe I could start
fresh. but this request was also ignored.  I am beginning to think I have
become a cyber-non-person.
For that matter, this may not make it to the list--I'd never know.
Please, if you can help, write directly to me, since I can't read the list
mail.
Thanks (I hope).
Leslie Blanding
(New Hampshire)
