




Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 22:02:20 -0400 (AST)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Re:Pagemaker as psf maker

>Pagemaker is a page layout program, not a drawing program. While it does have
>some drawing capabilities, I would not consider it replacement for a good
>Postscript drawing program.
>
> Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami

Joseph,
you are right.  Pagemaker is a page layout program, one which one would
want to use to write a book on origami.  If it can produce compact pdf
files similar to those produced by Adobe Distiller,then it can save one
step in producing a pdf file, which is ideal for publishing text and line
drawings.  So we would still like to know how compact the files produced by
Pagemaker is.  I have been using Canvas as a drawing program and Ready Set
Go as a page layout program, and produced the manuscript for my Origami
Flower Arrangement.  The two programs worked together very well.  Canvas
has a copy as EPS feature, while Ready Set Go accepted EPS files easiy bu
pasting into a rectangle to hold graphics, which could be inserted anywhere
on a page laid out with columns for text.  Photographs which were scanned
or which were digitized images taken by a digital camera or even a
camcorder couldalso be inserted into thke same graphic location.   James M.
Sakoda
  PDF File of mostly dollar bill folds at http://idt.net/~kittyv .
Requires Adobe Acrobat Reader 3.0, which can be downloaded from
http://www.adobe.com/acrobat  for free.





Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 22:08:59 -0400 (AST)
From: mony1@juno.com (Monica L Jones)
Subject:

Colored glassine can be obtained from a mail order company called
Collage.  They sell an assortment of ten colors in  27" x 39" sheets for
$16.00 + postage.  the colors in the pack I have are: yellow, red, light
blue, purple, pink, orange, dark blue, dark green,  light green, and hot
pink.  The company can be reached at: 1-800-9-collage and their address
is: P.O Box 7216, San Francisco, CA   94120-7216.

Colored glassine can also be obtained from a catalog called Hearth Song
in smaller sheets (maybe 14" x 18") in a similar mix of colors.  They
call it rainbow transparency paper and it's 10 sheets for $4.95 +
shipping.

Hope this helps, Monica.





Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 05:41:26 -0400 (AST)
From: Maarten van Gelder <M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: Missing messages from archives

At 22 and 23 februari my archiving automat had an error.
So in the archives you'll find 43 times the same message from "S.W.Nelson".
I'd like to correct this. Anybody who has saved the messages of 22 and 23
februari?
Please reply to me personally. Tell me if you have them, and pleas don't send
them yet.

Maarten van Gelder,           Rekencentrum RuG,  RijksUniversiteit Groningen
M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl                         Nederland





Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 07:55:32 -0400 (AST)
From: "S.W. Nelson" <sn5@earthlink.net>
Subject: Missing messages!

[snip]
>>So in the archives you'll find 43 times the same message from "S.W.Nelson".
I'd like to correct this. Anybody who has saved the messages of 22 and 23
februari? <<
[snip]

Disappearing ink? I would like to know too. I'd like to say I did not do that.

Sincerely,
Rachael Olivia of "S.W.Nelson"





Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:15:49 -0400 (AST)
From: richardd@redac.co.uk (Richard Davies)
Subject: Book Reviews

Does anyone have the book reviews file normally found at:
"ftp://home.yosemite.net/home/slider/origami/or_books.txt", which no longer
     exists.

Found through book reviews link on Joseph Wu's web site.

Rich

Richard Davies                Tel:         01684  294161 (ext 328)
Software Engineer             Fax:         01684  299754
Zuken-Redac Ltd                E-Mail:       richardd@redac.co.uk
Tewkesbury. UK                 Home: richard@fionavar.demon.co.uk





Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 12:54:18 -0400 (AST)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Book Reviews

Try putting "Pat Slider" in the message
subject. I think Pat recently got a new
internet provider (IP)...

--valerie





Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 12:53:48 -0400 (AST)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: ORU folds

<<ORU will no longer be published...>>

This sad news indeed.

Perhaps some Japanese corporate sponsor could
be found to subsidize & make up the difference
that sales/subscriptions don't cover as is
common here in the USA, e.g. Texaco & Metropolitan
Opera at the high end :-); local businesses and
PBS radio/TV broadcasts at the other. Both the
society and the magazine of are almost a "living
national treasure" helping to keep a significant
Japanese traditional art form alive, after all...

.. Sony, Mitsubishi, Japan Publications, Kotobuki
Trading Co., Japan Airlines... ???

.. or maybe one of our new Silicon Valley millionaires
(the folks who have pushed the average home value in
certain neighborhoods over $1million...)

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com

Valerie Vann





Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 15:01:56 -0400 (AST)
From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@sci.fi>
Subject: Miniature folding and tools

On 10-Mar-97, Joseph Wu (origami@planet.datt.co.jp) wrote:

> In fact, my own preferences preclude me from making truly tiny minatures:
> I don't like to work with tools.

I just finished 30 unit Sonobe sphere from 19mm squares, and if I ever do
it again, I *will* use tweezers. (Unless I have some kind of finger
operation to reduce their size :)

I was even stupid enough to make an error in assembly so I had to take half
of it apart to finish it. sigh...

Jorma
--
Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

"It's a good thing the average person doesn't realize
 the awesome destructive power of origami"              Earthworm Jim





Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:53:59 -0400 (AST)
From: "S.W. Nelson" <sn5@earthlink.net>
Subject: Miniature fold

>>I just finished 30 unit Sonobe sphere from 19mm squares, and if I ever do
it again, I *will* use tweezers. (Unless I have some kind of finger
operation to reduce their size :)<<

I love origami in the mini too. Haven't seem too many posts on this.
Must not be very popular. (it is with me (s)
I used 8mm squares on mine and smaller. If you find that operation
for _downsizing fingers, let me know the surgeons name!(g)

Rachael Olivia





Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 21:00:49 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: ORU folds; "Living National Treasure"

On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Valerie Vann wrote:

=<<ORU will no longer be published...>>
=This sad news indeed.

Well, for us fanatics, anyway! 8)

=Perhaps some Japanese corporate sponsor could be found to subsidize & make up
=the difference that sales/subscriptions don't cover as is common here in the
=USA, e.g. Texaco & Metropolitan Opera at the high end :-); local businesses
=and PBS radio/TV broadcasts at the other. Both the society and the magazine
=of are almost a "living national treasure" helping to keep a significant
=Japanese traditional art form alive, after all...

Waitasec. Which "society" are you talking about? As for the "living national
treasure", I don't think so. Oru is much more related to the modern origami
than to the traditional. Besides, it is becoming more evident, based on what
I've seen here and based on David Lister's researches, that origami has never
enjoyed the high regard that other traditional crafts had, probably because it
is not as practical. Pottery, paper-making, basketry, and other crafts are all
considered great traditional crafts, but origami is not. As far as I can tell
(based on his autobiographical sketches), Yoshizawa himself is not a "living
national treasure", although you often hear that he is.

=.. Sony, Mitsubishi, Japan Publications, Kotobuki Trading Co., Japan
=Airlines... ???

It's more difficult here in Japan. It's not merit that counts so much as
connections.

=.. or maybe one of our new Silicon Valley millionaires (the folks who have
=pushed the average home value in certain neighborhoods over $1million...)

Well, that would be an option! Know any of them? ;)

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 00:57:07 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: National Postal Museum's Envelope Contest Ends March 15, 1997

On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Marcia Mau wrote:

=Category 2:  "Pushing the Envelope" Criteria for Selection
="Pushing the Envelope" entries are creative hand-made envelopes and will be
=selected primarily for the creative use of hand-folded paper or other forms
=of paper construction, cut-outs, embossing, weaving, etc. toward the overall
=design of the envelope.  Original calligraphy/lettering and inventive
=relationships between the postage stamp and the envelope design are encouraged.

I really hope that they'll get someone knowledgeable about letter folds to
check on the submissions, so that people won't try to pass off others' letter
fold designs as their own. Then again, they might not care...

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 05:26:21 -0400 (AST)
From: DLister891@aol.com
Subject: Re:National Postal Museum's Envelope Contest

On 3rd, March, Marcia Mau wrote about  "Pushing the Envelope", the letter
fold competition oof the National Postal Museum which ends on 15th, March..

In his posting of11th, March, Josephph Wu wrote: "I really hope that they'll
get someone knowledgeable about letter folds to check the submissions, so
that people won't try to pass other's letter fold designs as their own."

The one person in the world who is really knowledgeable about letterfolds is
John Cunliffe of London, who is the  international organizer of the Envelope
and Letterfold Association (which is an international association: there are
members in the United States.)

John would be the best person to consult, but unfortunately he lives in
England and, (unless he has acquired a computer very recently), he is not on
the Internet.

Perhaps Marcia Mau has been in touch with John. I should be interested to
know more about the competition, and how it came to be organized. Can you
tell us more, Marcia?.

David Lister.

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.com





Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:56:22 -0400 (AST)
From: "Dr. Moze" <DrMoze@pressroom.com>
Subject: *paper* for miniatures??

OK, I've seen posts of folks using 8mm(!) and 13mm squares, etc. And I
do see the benefits of tweezers. But what kind of paper do y'all use
that can handle these tiny folds? Thanks,

--

      Dr. Moze   <DrMoze@pressroom.com>





Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:20:31 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Re: ORU folds; "Living National Treasure"

Joseph Wu wrote:

   is not as practical. Pottery, paper-making, basketry, and other crafts are
     all
   considered great traditional crafts, but origami is not.

Joseph, are you sure about basketry?  I saw an exhibit a couple of
years ago at the Smithsonian of a traditional Japanese basket maker's
works.  His baskets were so beautiful, it made you cry.  I cannot do
them justice with words.

The show included a short biographical film about the artist.  He was
living in abject poverty, receiving unbelievably low prices for his
works, and clearly going to die without even getting to train an
apprentice.  He had taken up basket making as a child because he was
crippled and couldn't do more physically demanding work.  He said that
many other basket makers had done the same.

        -- Jeannine Mosely





Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:37:16 -0400 (AST)
From: "S.W. Nelson" <sn5@earthlink.net>
Subject: *paper* to "Dr. Moze"

>>But what kind of paper do y'all use
that can handle these tiny folds?<<

Thin.

(hahha) Two sided regular origami. Colored on one side, white on other.
I've used tissue papers too. Esp for a tiny quilt I made. And yes my squares
are 8mm. I did glue some of mine, ones for earrings or whatever. But most
without glueing. I have a miniature "whiskey bottle" full of tiny cubes.

Olivia





Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 13:13:02 -0400 (AST)
From: jcubero@mailhost.magicnet.net (Javier Cubero)
Subject: Re: Miniature fold

On Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:55:13 -0400 (AST), Rachael Olivia wrote:

>I love origami in the mini too. Haven't seem too many posts on this.
>Must not be very popular. (it is with me (s)
>I used 8mm squares on mine and smaller. If you find that operation
>for _downsizing fingers, let me know the surgeons name!(g)
>
>Rachael Olivia

I'd love to hear more about this.  I enjoy micro-gami, as I call it,
although I generally make fairly simple things, out of 1cm squares.  I
have big ham-hands, and can't really work with smaller paper without
tools.  I haven't tried using tools, or any "special" techniques for
microgami.  I would like to know what others are doing, though.  Maybe
I'll get ambitious.  It seems that modulars are the ideal type of
model to do this, as you can get a very detailed model without doing a
lot of complex, tiny folds.
What kind of *ultra-thin* paper do people use for this?  Foil? Tissue?
I'm curious.

I once made a Montroll lobster, starting with an 8" square of paper.
I didn't TRY to make microgami, but by the time I was done...I had a
tiny little lobster, and I was cursing the day I started folding.
(Don't worry, I got over it and realized I'd done something very cool)
Someone needs to make special "Lang & Montroll Size" origami paper,
for folding their wonderfully complex models, say 18-20" on a side.
Even the biggest size I generally find out there, (about 9" square ?)
doesn't yield a very large model 150 steps later.

--
Javier Cubero                         GTI Telecom, Inc.
jcubero@mailhost.magicnet.net         Orlando, Fl.





Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:02:17 -0400 (AST)
From: DMAWolf@aol.com
Subject: Re: ORIGAMI-L digest 653

   We in Phoenix are truely saddened by the news ORU will no longer be
published.  Each issue was met with much excitement not so much at the folds(
although those were appreciated) but by the photos and the settings the
origami was displayed in.  We as all people do tend to go for the familiar
and comfortable and ORU pull us out and pushed us in new directions for
display and use.  We have several people here with multi-hundred book
libraries of diagrams but not with all the lovely pictures of ORU.  If there
anything we can do to help save it there are many of us here willing to try.
 Any ideas world?
Diana Wolf
Folded but not permanently creased





Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:44:08 -0400 (AST)
From: Kim Best <kim.best@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: Miniature fold

Javier Cubero wrote:

> I'd love to hear more about this.  I enjoy micro-gami, as I call it,
> although I generally make fairly simple things, out of 1cm squares.  I
> have big ham-hands, and can't really work with smaller paper without
> tools.  I haven't tried using tools, or any "special" techniques for
> microgami.  I would like to know what others are doing, though.

A good source to begin folding minitures is John Montroll's "Favorite
Animals in Origami".  The folds in this collection are amazingly simple,
considering the detail of the finished models.

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:51:02 -0400 (AST)
From: "Steve W. Payne" <swpayne@cast.msstate.edu>
Subject: Call for Model Donations

Hey Everyone,
Well, I've been lurking on this list for about two years now and finally
have a reason to raise my hand. :)

I am going to give a workshop on May 10 for The Lynn Meadows Discovery
Center for Children.  It is a hands-on childrens museum dedicated to
help expand a child's horizons, both educationally and creatively.  I am
going to be teaching several simple and maybe a few intermediate models
to the children.  The sponsors have told me that last year there were
over 2,000 children present and are expecting to double it this year.

I was wondering if anyone had any models they would be willing to
provide for display purposes.  I would try my best to return them, but
you must understand, with so many people, accidents might happen.

If you would like more information about the museum, contact me or
Debbie Baer at dbaer@cast.msstate.edu.  We would be happy to provide you
with a letter of recognition for your contribution to the event.

As an aside, I must really say how much I enjoy the discussions held on
this list.  Not only, do I get to learn tips and tricks to folding, but
I also get to read about the author's feelings and outlook regarding
this dicipline.

Fold well,
Steve
--

--Steve W. Payne -------------------- swpayne@cast.msstate.edu --
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| you know and need to step into the darkness of the unknown,   |
| Faith is knowing that one of two things will happen:  either  |
| there will be something solid to stand on or you will be      |
| taught how to fly.                                            |
|                    -- Anonymous                               |





Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:57:40 -0400 (AST)
From: Pat Slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: re: book reviews.

>Does anyone have the book reviews file normally found at:
>"ftp://home.yosemite.net/home/slider/origami/or_books.txt", which no longer
>exists.

Sorry. Just now saw this in the digest.

I do have a copy :->, but I'm headed out the door. My provider accidentally
deleted this and I've had it on my "to do" list (for about a month now) to
go ahead and put a "new and improved" html version up on our own web server
instead of messing with the old ftp site.

But I'll go ahead and put the old text version back up in the meantime. Give
me until tomorrow night please....I'm rushing out the door right now.

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:01:11 -0400 (AST)
From: Contractors Exchange <contract@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: Call for Model Donations

At 03:51 PM 3/11/97 -0400, "Steve W. Payne" <swpayne@cast.msstate.edu> wrote:

>I was wondering if anyone had any models they would be willing to
>provide for display purposes.  I would try my best to return them, but
>you must understand, with so many people, accidents might happen.

I would be interested. I am sure many others would be interested as well,
so you might as well post to the list any criteria the origami must meet
(size, subject,ect) , as well as the information on who to send the
materials to. Thank you.
Marc





Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:47:58 -0400 (AST)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: National Postal Museum's Envelope Contest

Marcia Mau <marcia.mau@pressroom.com> sez

>4.  Envelopes will not be opened.  Legibly print your name and complete
>address on the back of each envelope.

How will they assess the folding method then? My submission reveals two
plain sides & an attractive pattern if you hold it to the light...

>5.  All entries must be no smaller than (3 1/2" x 5 1/2") and no larger than
>(5 1/2" x 7 1/2").

What a sod. If you fold an A4 corner to opposite corner (as many
envelope folds do) you have a likely envelope width of just over 5".
I've had to make a slightly larger 1 root 2 proportion sheet to fit the
criteria.

This means it 'ain't A4, nor can I print the addresses on it ;)

I agree that Mester Cunliffe has the expertise required, but it depends
how seriously the Smithsonian are taking this....

all the best,

Nick Robinson

personal email  nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk





Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:09:57 -0400 (AST)
From: Steve Theil <theil@htonline.com>
Subject: Origami-L: Envelope & Letterfold Assoc.

David Lister said: "The one person in the world who is really knowledgeable
about letterfolds is John Cunliffe of London, who is the  international
organizer of the Envelope and Letterfold Association (which is an
international association: there are members in the United States.)"

Do David or Marcia or others, perhaps, have more information about this

Many thanks,
Linda Theil
theil@htonline.com
Howell, Michigan, USA





Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 20:59:34 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Miniature fold

On Tue, 11 Mar 1997 Dr. Moze wrote:

=OK, I've seen posts of folks using 8mm(!) and 13mm squares, etc. And I
=do see the benefits of tweezers. But what kind of paper do y'all use
=that can handle these tiny folds? Thanks,

On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Javier Cubero wrote:

=What kind of *ultra-thin* paper do people use for this?  Foil? Tissue?
=I'm curious.

I normally like to use Japanese foil. It's thinner than American foil, and
usually has a more mirror-like sheen (American foil has a slightly matte
finish to it). Another possibility is candy/gum wrapper foil. There are some
people who use "dyed foil" and I've seen work made from this stuff: it's
exquisite. I believe that Robert Lang's tiny spider and tick were made from
this foil. I have no idea what is involved in its preparation, though.

=Someone needs to make special "Lang & Montroll Size" origami paper,
=for folding their wonderfully complex models, say 18-20" on a side.
=Even the biggest size I generally find out there, (about 9" square ?)
=doesn't yield a very large model 150 steps later.

Use something other than origami paper, then! 8) The largest origami paper
that I've seen is about 13.75 inches square.

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 21:03:59 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: "Living National Treasure"

On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Jeannine Mosely wrote:

=Joseph, are you sure about basketry?  I saw an exhibit a couple of
=years ago at the Smithsonian of a traditional Japanese basket maker's
=works.  His baskets were so beautiful, it made you cry.  I cannot do
=them justice with words.

Yes. Notice you call him a "traditional Japanese basket maker". Even if people
don't appreciate his work enough to buy it at the prices he *should* be
asking, they do recognise it as a traditional craft. Origami, on the other
hand, appears to be regarded here as a children's pasttime and nothing more.
Besides, as David Lister has said, modern origami has taken a large departure
from the traditional forms.

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 22:18:49 -0400 (AST)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Re  Hell Money Resizing

<fontfamily><param>Times</param><bigger>    <bold>American Dollar Bill

     </bold>To fold the Six Point Star and other figures from Modern
Origami using dollar bills  opposite corners are first folded together
to get the center diagonal crease, which determines where the folding
of the corners begin (Fig. 1).  The American dollar bill  measures
about 2 5/8 x 6 1/8 inches, a ratio of width to length of about 2.33.
This compares with ideal ratio for folding the six point star of 2.414.
 This close fit makes it possible to use the dollar bill for folding
the six point star so that the corners end close to the opposing side,
without leaving an awkward gap.

<bold>Hell Money</bold>

     I have been using so-called Hell Money purchased in a Korean or
Chinese grocery store, which is colored green and looks like paper
money and is inexpensive to use .  It is light weight and in some
respect easier to fold than dollar bills.    However, its length  is a
little short and causes a gap at the edge on the opposite side  when
corners are folded in, as shown in Fig.  2.   This results in
unevenness and weakness on the side with the gap, which makes accurate
folding difficult and mars the appearance when the underside is shown.
 I have therefore decided to trim one long edge of the bill to achieve
the ideal ratio.

<bold>The Ideal Ratio</bold>

     In Fig. 3 the proportion of width to length is correct and the
corners meet the edge, covering the entire underside, except for a
little rectangle in the center.  To find the correct ratio of length to
width, one needs to solve for b/a  the width length divided by the
width.  The diagonal of the end square, using the Pythagorean theorem,
is given by

     sqrt(2 a2) or sqrt (2) a.

This equals to 1.4142 a.  This diagonal is also equal to b-a as can be
seen by the symmetry of the equal lateral triangle forming half of the
diamond shape, as can be seen in Fig. 4.    Hence,

     b - a = 1.4142 a

          b = a + 1.4142 a = 2.4142 a.

T<bold>rimming the Hell Money</bold>

     For my Chinese hell money the dimensions were 2.5 x 5.28 inches,
with a ratio of b to a of 2.19, which left a gap when the corners were
folded.   I have therefore trimmed the long edge by calculating the
ideal width for the present length which came out to:

     a = 5.28 / 2.4142 = 2.19

The amount that I trimmed off, using a paper cutter was

     2.5 -2.19 = .31.

This was almost a third of an inch and made the paper a little smaller,
but much easier to fold accurately.

     This page is from one that I posted in  my web page at
http://shell.idt.net/~kittyv   (This seems to work more reliably than
the one I had been using previously.)

It is in compact pdf form and requires the Adobe Acrobat Reader 3.0.
The figures however are simple enough to reconstruct from the text, but
there are a few dollar bill folds now available, includidng the Six
Point Star, the Proud Giraffe, the horse, the swan, the dachshund, the
angelfish, and Dr. Doolittle's two-headed animal that has two heads and
can move forward or backward without turning around.   James M. Sakoda

     </bigger></fontfamily>





Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 22:48:54 -0400 (AST)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Adobe Acrobat Distiller 3.0

     The pdf origami one-page drawings that I stored on my web site has
averaged around 17k bytes.  This has usually been half the size or less
than those produced by others, including Freehand 7.0 and Ghostscript.
Even those produced with Distiller has been larger, and I have come across
the explanation when I redownloaded the Adobe Acrobat 3.0, which included
Distiller 3.0, which I have been using.  I got this message at the outset:
"Acrobat /Distiller 3.0 now has new compression capabilities which may
produce PDF files not compatible with previous versions of Acrobat Exchange
and Reader (both are used to read pdf files).  To maintain compatibility,
choose Acrobat 2.a, to take advantage of the new capabilities for smaller
file sizes cloose Acrobat 3.).  The setting may be changed laater in the
Distiller job option.  Please choose your default setting now.  (Acrobat
3.0)  (Acrobat 2.1)."

     Since the files that I have created compacat pdf files with the
Acrobat 3.0 option, it is important that you download Acrobat Reader 3.0
rather than try to use an old veresion of the reader.  I am interested in
learning whether or not Pagemaker which outputs pdf files uses the older or
the newer version of the Distiller.  James M. Sakoda   Compactg pdf origami
drawing site:  http://shell.idt.net/~kittyv





Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 23:01:34 -0400 (AST)
From: reeds@openix.com (Reeds family)
Subject: Re: *paper* for miniatures??

>OK, I've seen posts of folks using 8mm(!) and 13mm squares, etc. And I
>do see the benefits of tweezers. But what kind of paper do y'all use
>that can handle these tiny folds? Thanks,
>
>--
>

And what kind of eyes?
Karen





Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 23:25:47 -0400 (AST)
From: "S.W. Nelson" <sn5@earthlink.net>
Subject: *paper* for mini

 But what kind of paper do y'all use
>that can handle these tiny folds? Thanks,<

>>>And what kind of eyes?<<<

Green-Blue Irish!
//0'0\\ Rachael O...with glasses

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Be glad for "Hope". It is something all are born with
and doesn't die until_It's finished.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Olivia~~~~~~~~~~~





Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 23:54:25 -0400 (AST)
From: Kenny1414@aol.com
Subject: Re: More on Japanese business card etiquette

In a message dated 97-03-07 07:51:01 EST, you write:

<<  Besides, Japanese flag
 (which is not officially recognised as the national flag, BTW) is red and
 white. >>

I remember coming across a reference to two Japanese flags, used during WWII.

One was the red circle centered on a white field. I'm not sure what the
symbolism anbd usage of that one was.

The other was the mis-named "Rising Sun" red circle on a white field with red
rays emanating out. The article said something like that was an imperial
crest, and did not represent the sun. Instead, it represented a stylized
long-petaled chrysanthemum blossom. Sounded likely to me.





Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 23:50:38 -0400 (AST)
From: Marcia Mau <marcia.mau@pressroom.com>
Subject: The Graceful Envelope Contest

In order to respond to David Lister's request for more info on the
Smithsonian Institution's National Postal Museum's envelope contest, I
called Wendy Abel-Weiss, Head of Education, today.

This is the third year of the contest and the first year in which there is a
category for folded or other constructed envelopes.  A sample winner from
the 1995-96 contest was an envelope using a pansy  32 cent stamp,
calligraphy, and what looks like paper or fabric in a Japanese wave pattern
of overlapped half circles and some ribbon and pansy patterned fabric.  I
have only seen a photocopy of the entry so I'm not sure whether the pansies
and waves are fabric or paper.

Last fall I provided Ms. Abel-Weiss with names and addresses of OUSA, BOS,
and several folders in Germany, US, UK, Netherlands, and France who I knew
were interested in letterfolds.  As a result of the Smithsonian's
announcement, the notice was included in BO Magazine's Feb 97 issue. Since
the announcement has not yet appeared in OUSA's The Paper, I sent it to this
list on March 6th.  I have already heard from one person on this list who is
sending in an entry and I hope there will be other entries by the March 15th
deadline.

I have been in contact w/ John Cunliffe of ELFA in London.  He is
disappointed that there isn't an ELFA group in the US and hopes one will be
formed as a result of the contest.  He said he considered flying to
Washington for my workshop.  John sent me a copy of the ELFA 4th edition
publication on Eastern folds.  I have asked him to send me a supply of the
2nd, 3rd, and 4th editions which I will have for sale at the workshop on
June 7th.

Besides the ELFA publications, I know of only one other publication on
letterfolds.  It is a Chinese book, ISBN 957-692-005-1 which I believe was
printed in Taiwan at a cost of NT$180.  I have another book of mainly
traditional folds (not envelope folds) which appears to be in the same
series, ISBN 957-692-003-5.  I have copies of both books but I can't read
the titles.  Several of the letterfolds in the first book involve cutting,
including the rabbit fold which appears on pp 60-61 of Kitamura's Origami
Treasure Chest. Does anyone know of other publications containing only
letterfolds?  I have seen individual letterfolds in Jackson's The Complete
Origami Course, Mulatinho's book, & NOA magazines.

The Jan - June calendar for the Postal Museum included a valentine workshop,
workshops on stamp collecting, and a slide presentation by Madam C. J.
Walker's granddaughter on her grandmother's mail order hair care business.
On April 12, Harold Schloss will speak on 19th century Danish private posts.
Ruthann Lum McCunn will speak May 3 on the role of letters in researching
her fiction and nonfiction books on Chinese Americans.

There will be a small exhibit beginning May 6 entitled  Undercover:  The
Evolution of the American Envelope.  It will be coordinated w/ the US Patent
and Trademark Office and will include models of inventions submitted for
patents between 1849-79 and patented machines used in manufacturing
envelopes until the mid 1900's.

I mentioned Joseph Wu's concern about crediting creators with their
letterfolds to Ms. Abel-Weiss.  I could not think of a way of enforcing this
aside from the folder writing the model name and name of the creator on the
back of the envelope.  Ms. Abel-Weiss is also thinking of using a mirror to
reflect the names on the back of the envelopes.  However, to insure privacy,
the street addresses would have to be obscured.
Marcia Mau
Vienna, VA USA
marcia.mau@pressroom.com





Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 03:51:24 -0400 (AST)
From: AnToi@aol.com
Subject: Large Paper and Complex Origami

I lost the label, so I can't tell you who makes it, but the local art supply
store sells a large packet of paper colored on one side, white on the other.
It's not rice paper, so it doesn't crease nearly as well, and tends to be
bulky, but it is BIG -12" x 18".  A cheapo rotary cutter makes perfect
straight cuts, as does the professional cutter they probably have out on the
floor at your local chainstore photocopy shop.

I have found that this is an excellent resource for large quantities of paper
in a single color (perfect for modular projects - 1 sheet yeilds 24 3"
squares), and will also allow you a maximum sheet size of 12".

Personally, I have found that onion skin paper is the most durable when
subjected to the tortures of complex origami. Erasable typing paper made from
onioin skin can be obtained at most office supply stores. While it limits you

If anybody knows a source for origami paper made from onion skin, I am
interested.

Ngay Mai An Toi





Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 04:18:17 -0400 (AST)
From: Wayne Ko <Herman_Ko@mindlink.bc.ca>
Subject: Re:  Miniature folds /Math stuff update (at end)

Those of you who know me knew I'd jump into this thread at some point - so
here goes....

I also like folding miniatures some of the time.   It kind of started as a
challenge by a friend to fold something using an one inch square paper.
Folding in miniatures is kind of neat because it uses less paper (more
economical and environmentally friendly) and the finished result generally
looks better.  I don't use tools during the folding process as I feel that
physical contact with the paper to be part of the fun.  Thus, I always try
to use a reasonable size paper for the model in question.  Also, I normally
master a model using larger sheets before moving down in size. It's kind of
fun to see how small I can make something before I give up in frustration.

Another reason I like making miniatures is I'm into miniature wargaming and
I like making figures that can be used for this purpose.  The figures are
made using sheets ranging from 2 cm to 9 cm square to produce 15 mm or 25 mm
scale models (i.e. a human figure is 15mm or 25 mm tall).  I've done quite a
lot of Napoleonics and have just started some medieval figures for the 100
Years War.  To get the detailing I do cut and glue accessories such as
belts, canteens etc. (heresy to the purists) and also make liberal use of
compound figures - this helps reduce the time required and allows uniform
detail that is not possible by pure folding.  Again I try not to use tools
unless absolutely necessary such as glueing on a figure's chin strap.

*Warning* more math stuff following:

BTW:  Those interested in more Taiwanese math problems, please email me
**privately** as opposed to Origami-l and I'll get the first set off to you
sometime next week or as soon as possible.  I just need to type things up as
a text file and it's just a matter of finding the time and energy...

Wayne





Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 07:44:20 -0400 (AST)
From: DLister891@aol.com
Subject: Re: The Graceful Envelope Contest

Many thanks to Marcia Mau for her full and clear reply to my request for
background information about the National Postal Museum's contest concerning
letter folds. I hope the contest will be very successful, but I suspect that
publicity for it has been too little and too late and not directed towards
the right people and places.

Let's hope they will have another competition next year which will involve
paperfolders from all ove the world.

Linda Thiel has asked for more information about the Envelope and Letterfold
Association (ELFA). Actually, I sent a posting about this to origami-L some
months ago. I'll look for it and perhaps repost it.

Meanwhile, anyone wanting to know more about ELFA should write to the
Intenational Organizer, Jpohn Cunliffe, as follows:

Johnn Cunliffe,
17, Regents Park Road.
London,  NW1   7TL,
England.

I understand that John will be attending the convention of Origami
Deutschland at Wurtzberg (Not very far from Frankfurt, Germany) from Friday,
30th, May to Sunday, 1st, June. Conventions of Origami Deutschland are always
lively and interesting, and worth attending.  Anybody interested?

David Lister,

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.com.





Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:07:21 -0400 (AST)
From: jcubero@mailhost.magicnet.net (Javier Cubero)
Subject: LARGE folds

On Tue, 11 Mar 1997 21:00:24 -0400 (AST),Joseph Wu wrote:

>On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Javier Cubero wrote:
>
>=Someone needs to make special "Lang & Montroll Size" origami paper,
>=for folding their wonderfully complex models, say 18-20" on a side.
>=Even the biggest size I generally find out there, (about 9" square ?)
>=doesn't yield a very large model 150 steps later.
>
>Use something other than origami paper, then! 8) The largest origami paper
>that I've seen is about 13.75 inches square.

Of course!  Why didn't I think of that! :-)  Actually, I did a
life-size Montroll lobster out of a 2 foot square of red gift-wrap
paper soon after my teeny lobster.  However, I wasn't too happy with
the paper.  It lost color along the crease if it was flexed too much,
leaving a white line that made the crease stand out, and it tended to
unfold (and still tries - it's in my kitchen on the wall).
This brings up the opposite of microgami paper - what do people use
when they need *large* squares?
If you can, please state brands, weights, and anything special that
allows you to fold with the paper (wet-fold, etc.)
I just think it might be good if Kim's Crane or Fascinating Folds (or
someone) sold rolls or squares of large-format paper that we *knew*
was good for origami, and had interesting colors/patterns.  Maybe they
already do....I haven't looked, to be honest.

--
Javier Cubero                         GTI Telecom, Inc.
jcubero@mailhost.magicnet.net         Orlando, Fl.





Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 12:45:40 -0400 (AST)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Japanese Etiquette: Red [NO]

Hi all:

Expanding from the original thread regarding business card etiquette, I'd be
     interested in more information about the appropriate use of certain colors
     in Japanese culture.

Last week I got Tomoko Fuse's "How to Make Boxes From Just One Piece of Paper",
     which is printed only in Japanese, as far as I know.  The dominant colors
     on the cover are red and white.  Earlier posts gave me the impression this
     would be improper on a bus

Many years ago some friends of my parents in L.A. were opening a restaurant and
     hired a professional decorator to come up with a high-tech [read trendy]
     look since the restaurant was to be in one of the pop neighborhoods of
     L.A.  The scheme the decorator

Are there other color-specific etiquettes observed?  Is "etiquettes" a word?
     Am I going to get flamed for this?  Answers to any of the foregoing would
     be interesting IMHO.

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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:08:18 -0400 (AST)
From: tait@earthlink.net
Subject: glassine envelopes

Monica Jones had mentioned of a company called "Hearth Song" having
glassine envelopes available. Does anyone know the address/tel?

Thanks much,
Tricia Tait

P.S.- regarding music to listen to while folding- I enjoy Stan Getz,
Miles Davis, Jobim, Gilberto, Ella, Nat, Frank... while using some
"jazzy paper"!





Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:30:43 -0400 (AST)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: ELFA (leather ;)

Marcia Mau <marcia.mau@pressroom.com> sez

>I have been in contact w/ John Cunliffe of ELFA in London.  He is
>disappointed that there isn't an ELFA group in the US

Since ELFA only has (AFAIK) about 12 members world-wide, it's not
surprising there isn't a specific US group. It's a real tragedy that
John felt the need to leave the BOS to form ELFA, rather than
incorporate it within the larger society. His work & interests would
have had a far greater effect from within the BOS.

fraternally,

Nick Robinson

personal email  nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk





Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 15:06:29 -0400 (AST)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: I.Carrie, no lurker anymore

Hi Ian, Glad to know you are on the list.  You sound like a nice addition and
we would like to hear more from you about your origami activities.  After all
it is the contributions that make this list interesting and informative.  I
wish more lurkers would make themselves known....That way we can all learn
more from this exchange of information we are so priveleged to be a part of.
   Dorigami





Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 15:38:31 -0400 (AST)
From: Mike and Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: glassine envelopes

tait@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> Monica Jones had mentioned of a company called "Hearth Song" having
> glassine envelopes available. Does anyone know the address/tel?

Here's the info on Hearth Song.  They have glassine sheets, but not
envelopes.  I have ordered the sheets from them and they come in rolls.
They are nice for folding, but I wouldn't recommend the Windows Stars
book.  The diagrams don't follow standard symbols, have numerous errors,
and refer back to prior pages that refer back to prior pages ...

If you are actually looking for glassine envelopes, your best bet would
be a stamp collectors shop.

Hearth Song
Arden Fair, Sacramento
3505 North California Street, San Francisco
1812 Fourth Street, Berkeley
156 North Main Street, Sebastopol
Broadway Plaza, Walnut Creek
1344 Burlingame Avenue, Buringame
Tel: (800) 325-2502
Fax: (309) 689-3857
Colored glassine in sheets (maybe 14" x 18") in a mix of colors. They
call it rainbow transparency paper and it's 10 sheets for $4.95 +
shipping. They also carry a
book called "Window Stars" to make stained-glass like decorations from
the glassine ($9.95). They do mail order.

Janet Hamilton

--
mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/





Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:07:55 -0400 (AST)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Quoting (NO)

David Lister wrote:

+I'm glad that the matter of "Quoting" has come up for discussion. For some
+time now, I have felt very impatient with the somwtimes grossly excessive
+habit of unedited quoting of other people's postings.
..
+Even E-mail can be courteous, clearly written and even elegant. I hope i'm
+not a voice crying in the wilderness.

No, not at all.  And while I agree with you on this, I also want to put forth
another complaint...
                          EXCESSIVE SIGNATURES!

There are a few people on this list with 10+ lines of "trailer" or
"signature" at the end of all their messages.  I know that at least one
person's mail system insists on adding some sort of "enclosure" that
the user is not permitted to disable.  I am referring instead to lines
and lines of cute ascii graphics.  Well, they were cute the first few
times I saw them.  But they are often 30-50% of the message being
sent!  I know Maartin has mentioned that the origami-l message archives
are not meddled with, which means that there must be at least 100Kbytes
of wasted signatures, at least, in the archives by now.

Not everyone has "free" email, many pay by the line or by the byte.
Most people on this list don't have signatures, and most of those who
do have 3-4 lines, which is a small percentage of the rest of the
message.  If you have a long signature, please cut it back.

With David Lister, et. al., I concur:  Quote wisely and succinctly, if you
can.

And please, no more 5+ line signatures.

-Doug "I AM trying to remain calm" Philips





Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:22:12 -0400 (AST)
From: "Steve W. Payne" <swpayne@cast.msstate.edu>
Subject: agghhh, darn listserver!

Hey everone,
The listserver set my address to postpone so I lost all replies to my
call for model donations from yesterday afternoon onwards.  If you were
trying to get in touch with me, please try again. :)
Happy folding,
Steve
--

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| you know and need to step into the darkness of the unknown,   |
| Faith is knowing that one of two things will happen:  either  |
| there will be something solid to stand on or you will be      |
| taught how to fly.                                            |
|                    -- Anonymous                               |





Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:27:23 -0400 (AST)
From: Kim Best <kim.best@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: LARGE folds

Javier Cubero wrote:
>

> This brings up the opposite of microgami paper - what do people use
> when they need *large* squares?
> If you can, please state brands, weights, and anything special that
> allows you to fold with the paper (wet-fold, etc.)

I personally have being using the large colored paper sold in the local
art supply stores for charcoal, and pastel drawing.  I especially like
Canson's Mi-Tente which is thinner then most of the other pastel
papers.  It is thicker and coarser then your usuall Origami paper though
and does need to be wet-folded.  But the finished product is very solid
and holds up beautifully.

--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:51:11 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: national living treasures

I have wondered for a while what it means for someone to be a
"National Living Treasure".  I think it was D. Lister who remarked
recently that he didn't think Yoshizawa actually was one, even though
he is often said to be, because Yoshizawa has never said as much.  But
perhaps this is not something that is polite for the treasure himself
to speak/write about?  If he is not a living treasure, I wonder if
there is anything we can do to change that?

I went to Alta Vista and did a search for "National Living Treasure"
and found a site (http://www.shoguninc.com/inv/hasui.html) that talks
about the decision making process for confering this status on a
printmaker.  It states:

"In 1953, the Japanese government's Committee for the Preservation of
Intangible Cultural Treasures found Hasui a clear choice when it
wished to honor traditional printmaking, and was prepared to confer
upon him the status of National Living Treasure, a great and rare
honor virtually without parallel in the West."

So we see that there is an official commitee that confers this honor.
It should be possible to find out what disciplines are considered for
this designation, as well as the recipients, but if this information
is on the web, it is probably in Japanese.

I also learned that an American glass artist has been selected as the
first American "National Living Treasure", but since the web site
didn't mention what organization had conferred this honor, I don't
give the report much credit.

(By the way, the printmaker Hasui was not actually so designated,
because they didn't want to single him out at the expense of the
artist whose work he was printing.  They ended up commissioning a
print which was designated an Intangible Cultural Treasure.)

        -- Jeannine Mosely





Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:47:20 -0400 (AST)
From: Contractors Exchange <contract@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: agghhh, darn listserver!

At 04:22 PM 3/12/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hey everone,
>The listserver set my address to postpone so I lost all replies to my
>call for model donations from yesterday afternoon onwards.  If you were
>trying to get in touch with me, please try again. :)

Below is the response I sent yesterday:

At 03:51 PM 3/11/97 -0400, "Steve W. Payne" <swpayne@cast.msstate.edu> wrote:

>I was wondering if anyone had any models they would be willing to
>provide for display purposes.  I would try my best to return them, but
>you must understand, with so many people, accidents might happen.

I would be interested. I am sure many others would be interested as well,
so you might as well post to the list any criteria the origami must meet
(size, subject,ect) , as well as the information on who to send the
materials to. Thank you.
Marc





Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 18:04:14 -0400 (AST)
From: Contractors Exchange <contract@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: LARGE folds

At 11:07 AM 3/12/97 -0400, jcubero@mailhost.magicnet.net (Javier Cubero)
wrote:

>This brings up the opposite of microgami paper - what do people use
>when they need *large* squares?

One possibility is to contact a picture framing supply shop; the papers
used are quite large, and might be suitable for wet folding.

I often prepare my own large foil backed paper as follows. I first prepare
a large sheet of aluminum foil. This can be fon by appplying spray adhesive
along the edge of one sheet, and placing another sheet along that edge. The
results are remakably seamless. Presumably, your backing paper will be
smaller than your foil. You can fold the  foil in half, applying backing
paper at each side with spray adhesive (you can place newspaper inbetween
for cleaner results). With a scissor, cut along the folded edge (but not
too close). Once unfolded, the seam should be very hard to detect. If for
some reason, the edges look slightly frayed at the seams, you can use
methyl cellulose to correct this problem. This technique can be repeated
until you get your desired size (I have made squares over 50" with these
techniques).

Marc





Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 18:10:49 -0400 (AST)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Ring to Star model help??

I received the following inquiry in my AOL mail box:

<< QUOTE:
Subj:   Ring that changes into a ninja star/crooked star
Date:   97-03-11 20:25:40 EST
From:   jmorton@polarnet.com (Jim Morton)

File:  origami.bmp (308278 bytes)
DL Time (26400 bps): < 3 minutes

I have been trying to find out howe to make a ring that changes into a
star and vice versa i have attached a file that shows what it kinda
looks like. I used to know how to make this, but I havent practiced in 5
years and my books have been lost. PLEASE HELP ME!!!!
thanks
jmorton@polarnet.com
P.S. the diagram is very not artistic, and there are lines on the front,
this is just a rough sketch. Also the piece is flat. Kinda like a simple
ninja star.
----------------------- Headers --------------------------------
>From jmorton@polarnet.com  Tue Mar 11 20:21:56 1997
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:06:40 -0900
From: Jim Morton <jmorton@polarnet.com>
<<< UNQUOTE

The diagram was a crude line drawing showing an flat 8-sided ring,
and a flat 6 point star (though it is possible that the actual model
collapses into an 8-point star.

The description reminds me of a couple of modular models, such as
an eight side ring that collapses into an octagon, by sliding the
modules back and forth on their links. Does this octagonal ring
to star ring a bell with anyone?

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 19:03:57 -0400 (AST)
From: DLister891@aol.com
Subject: Re: ELFA (leather ;)

Nick Robinson does ELFA a disservice by saying there are ony ten members
worldwide. This is misleading and could damage ELFA by giving the impression
that it was a very unimportant organisation. Far from it!

ELFA has a curious structure of Full Memebers and Associate Members. It was
originally intended that there would only be one Full Member to act as the
organiser in each country. Associate Members would communicate through the
Full Members.

The Full Members participate in a postal portfolio, which includes all items
fed to the Full Members by the Associate Members.

 The rules have been widened and additional Full members are accepted by
invitation if they are keenly active in their participation. But there are
Associate members in addition to the Full members and I am an associate
member myself. I haven't wanted to be a full member because I am hopeless at
keeping the deadlines for portfolios. Yet I frequently contribute items
through John and receive reports on the ontents of the portfolios.

I agree with Nick that it would have been better if John Cunliffe had formed
a sub-group within the British Origami Society instead of forming a separate
organisation of his own. But there are definite advantages in  being
independent.

As it is, ELFA is working very well and has extended our knowlege about
letter and envelope folding to an extent that I have found very surprising.
It is a far richer subject than I ever thought and I am very pleased and
grateful for all that it has achieved.

John anxiously wants a Full Member to represent ELFA in North America, and
ELFA needs to be represented there. I'm sure John Cunliffe would be delighted
to hear from anyone willing to help.

David Lister.

Grimsby, England.

DLister891@AOL.com
