




Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 21:25:04 -0400 (AST)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: wmf files to pdf files?

>Can anyone convert wmf files to pdf files?

I would be interested in knowing what a wmf file format is.  The surest way
to create a compact  pdf file is to convert it to epsf (postscript) file
and lave Adobe's Distiller convert it to pdf.  It does an efficient job,
converting most of my origami drawings to a pdf file which usually occupies
only 17k bytes of storage.  The Distilller program is included in Adobe's
Acrobat 3.0 package, which was made available lat last year and costs
almost $200.  If you are going to be producing pdf files, which includes
line drawings and text, then the investment is worthwile.  James M. Sakoda
Web site of some pdf orgiami drawings:
http://idt.net/~kittyv





Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 21:58:56 -0400 (AST)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: (non-ori)Re: wmf files to pdf files?

>Kenji Houston wrote:
>>
>> Can anyone convert wmf files to pdf files?
>
>I am assuming you have wmf files generated under Windows/Win95
>environment. I have not seen the direct conversion between wmf and pdf
>formats. You may still get ps/eps format If the original program does
>not have direct eps export. You need to use your postscript printer
>driver as output driver. The output eps file can be converted into pdf
>format using Ghostscript (GNU freeware) or Distiller (Adobe commercial).
>
>If you happen to get wmf files from other sources (not author), you may
>need wmf reader/viewer/converter to take care the conversion.
>You can get free wmf reader -  IrfanView32 for win95 in
>http://stud1.tuwien.ac.at/~e9227474/
>-  ULead Viewer for win31 in
>http://www.winsite.com/info/pc/win3/util/ulview11.zip/
>After converting to EPS you may use Ghostscript or Distiller to take
>care of the pdf format.
>
>Sorry for the non-windows users and non-origami information.
>
>|------------------------------------------------------\
>|  _     Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) <chens@asme.org>     |\
>| |_| Folding http://www.erols.com/sychen1/pprfld.html --\
>|---------------------------------------------------------|

Thanks for the detailed reply to what a wmf file is.  If it is a vector
type file rather than a bit-mapped one then conversion to pdf is worthwhile
to keep the line drawings and text accurately porrayed and the file small.
Both Ghostscrpt and Freehand 7.0 have been mentioned as being able to
convert eps files to pdf, but it should be emphasized that Adobe's
Distiller produces a smaller file than either of the others.  In one
experiment that I did Frehand 7.0's pdf output was twice as large as
Distiller's, which is still not bad compared to the much larger file one
can expect from a bitmapped scanned image.  James M. Sakoda.
If you want to practice downloading a pdf file of some dollar bill folds,
try http://idt.net/~kittyv
but you will have to download Acrobat Reader 3.0 to read it (free) from
http://www.adobe.com/acrobat





Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 21:59:15 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: NOR but facinating web page

On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Valerie Vann wrote:

=Here's a Web page about Knots (math related, too), with
=fantastic graphics! Many 3D knots, like complex 3D Celtic
=("Book of Kells") renderings.
=
=If you're into woven paper strip "origami", this will
=blow you away...
=
=http://www.cs.ubc.ca/nest/imager/contributions/scharein/KnotPlot.html

Haha! Notice the address? I went to school with Rob Scharein at UBC. He was
always interested in the origami I had made, but had no interest in making any
himself. Still, he's a brilliant man, and his knot work is really cutting
edge.

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 22:05:37 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: [NO] Windows Metafile Format (was Re: wmf files to pdf files?)

On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) wrote:

=Marc Kirschenbaum wrote:
=> It stands for Windows Metafile Format. I think Ms Windows' Paint progam
=> produces it. It is, I believe, a bitmapped type format.

=No. It is vector type. Windows Paint can only generated bitmapped format
=such as pcx, bmp...

You're both wrong. 8) WMF is, as the name says, a "meta" file format. It is a
description of a graphic image, but the description is the list of Windows GDI
(Graphics Device Interface) function calls required to produced that image.
Since the GDI includes both vector and bitmap commands, WMF is a "meta"
format, that sits above and describes both vector and bitmap images. Take a
look at

<http://daugenis.mch.mii.lt:80/W3DevelopmentResources/Evaldas/Medziaga/GraphForm
     ats/fileformats-faq/part3/faq-doc-149.html>

for more information. (Yes, I know it's a huge URL.)

Apologies to anyone not interested in this.

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 22:05:47 -0400 (AST)
From: Cathy Palmer-Lister <cathypl@generation.net>
Subject: Re: Bedroom Origami

At 03:09 PM 1997-03-01 -0400, you wrote:
>>>And then folded the
>>>rabbits ears under the mattress and tucked them in, creating two
>>>triangular flaps at the bottom of the sheets.
>
>>I always folded sheets like that, I never thought of it as folding rabbit
>>ears!
>
>        Isn't this just standard "hospital corners?"  I was always taught
>to make a bed this way.  However, despite all my skills with origami, I am
>100% unable to satisfactorily fold the mattress-cover portion of my
>bedsheets when putting them in the linen closet -- those damned
>elastic-laden, rounded corners make for very frustrating folds!
>Thankfully, I can compensate for this inability by not caring whatsoever
>what the bedsheets look like when they come out of the linen closet and get
>stretched out onto the bed and then covered with the top sheet, a blanket,
>and the comforter.  ;-D
>
>
>
>Jerry D. Harris                       (214) 768-2750

My mother-in-law knew a trick for folding those fitted sheets.  she showed
me once, very neat!  Unfortunately, by the time I got home, I had forgotten
how.  She has since passed away, taking the secret to folding sheets with
her, alas.

                                                        Cathy





Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 22:09:06 -0400 (AST)
From: Cathy Palmer-Lister <cathypl@generation.net>
Subject: Re: piano lessons

At 05:58 PM 1997-03-01 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi everybody.....am curious to know how many people who do origami have taken
>piano lessons.  Am wondering if there is a possibility that this what we all
>have in common?  Dorigami

I took piano lessons but failed miserably because I kept confusing my left
and right hands.

                                        Cathy





Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 22:19:44 -0400 (AST)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Origami and Paperfolding: What They Include

>Many years ago, I thought "Origami" could be confined to what we would now
>call "Mainstream Origami without cuts". I hoped that this would be so, but as
>time has passed, I have become more and more convinced that this is just not
>possible. We may have our individual preferences, but Origami/Paperfolding
>with cuts is just as valid  historically and at the present day as an art or
>recreation, as Origami/Paperfolding without cuts. As I wrote in my posting of
>13th February, each person can do just as he or she pleases. His or her work
>remains valid. This does not mean that Origami/Paperfolding without cuts is
>invalid or unimportant - far from it.
>

>
>Grimsby, England.
>
>DLister@AOL.com

I greatly approve of David Lister's mature point of view.  It tends to be
the ones without a broad outlook on the history and practice of origami who
say:  That's not origami, there's a cut in it.  James M. Sakoda





Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 22:54:32 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Origami in Raleigh NC?

On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, S. Soon Hood wrote:

=I'm going to be in the Raleigh NC area for most of May visiting friends
=and wondering if there is any groups or happenings in that area around
=that time? I would like to introduce my dear friend and her children to
=the mysteries of this art.  I know it's early but I'm just trying to see
=what we can do.  Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Take a look at this home page <http://pathos.widget.com/tofu/> or get in touch
with David Zimmerman <dzimm@nando.net>.

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 23:45:30 -0400 (AST)
From: "S.W. Nelson" <sn5@earthlink.net>
Subject: Letterman &..rita

Did anyone catch David Letterman last night?  He did a bit on origami
business card folding. **

I saw that! He tossed it on the floor too.. (frown)
silly man!

Rachael





Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 23:48:52 -0400 (AST)
From: "S.W. Nelson" <sn5@earthlink.net>
Subject: Music to fold by :Steve W

**(African Folk music)**

I like LadySmith Mambazo
Zap Mama , Sabsylma

B-Tribe,
Adam Plack&Johnny, winds of warning

I like Wynton , Ellis Marsalis...Joe Cool's Blues!

Rachael

Rachael





Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 23:49:05 -0400 (AST)
From: "S.W. Nelson" <sn5@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: piano lessons

**Hi everybody.....am curious to know how many people who do origami have taken
piano lessons.  Am wondering if there is a possibility that this what we all
have in common?  Dorigami**

I took lessons . My instructor gave back my tuition. ummm.
I have a natural ear to play piano but musical notes!?...argh.

Rachael





Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 00:23:31 -0400 (AST)
From: reeds@openix.com (Reeds family)
Subject: Re: Origami in Raleigh NC?

And I have a friends moving to Chapel Hill area (Fearington) who would like
to know about origami gatherings--pretty much a beginner, but eager to know
more. So please post to list, Research TRiangle folders.
Karenreeds@openix.com

>I'm going to be in the Raleigh NC area for most of May visiting friends
>and wondering if there is any groups or happenings in that area around
>that time? I would like to introduce my dear friend and her children to
>the mysteries of this art.  I know it's early but I'm just trying to see
>what we can do.  Any info would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Soon Hood
>ssoon@hotmail.com
>
>"The aim of totalitarian education has never been to instill convictions
>but to  destroy the capacity to form any."
>                                       --Hannah Arendt





Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 08:24:20 -0400 (AST)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Re: piano lessons

DORIGAMI@aol.com wrote:
> Hi everybody.....am curious to know how many people who do origami have taken
> piano lessons.  Am wondering if there is a possibility that this what we all
> have in common?  Dorigami

I`ve taken flute, guitar, and didgeridoo lessons (chronological order),
but never piano. But my brother and sister did.
Maybe that counts? <g>.

Matthias





Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 08:41:08 -0400 (AST)
From: lillian alexander <lillian@america.net>
Subject: Re: origami in Atlanta??

vicky@infoarch.com wrote:
>
> origami in Atlanta??
> To origami-l@nstn.ca
>
> Hi all -
> I'm visiting Atlanta for business March 13 - 17, anyone on
> the list from there?  Any suggestions on places (origami
> related or not) to visit?
>
> Vicky Mihara Avery
>
> vicky@infoarch.com

In Atlanta, the Ichiyo Art Center on East Paces Ferry Rd. has some very
nice papers.  A lot are brought from Japan and some are so beautiful
that I have just framed them - "virtual folding".

In yesterday's New York Times Book Review, a ad for a new paperback
'Audrey Hepburn's Neck' on page 4 contains the following review by
Janice Greene at the San Francisco Chronicle: "AUDREY HEPBURN'S NECK is
like origami, put together with grace and ingenuity."

Lillian Alexander





Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:55:29 -0400 (AST)
From: Mark Morden <marmonk@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: Letterman & Origami

At 12:26 PM 3/1/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Did anyone catch David Letterman last night?  He did a bit on origami
>business card folding.  He bent a few of his business cards and then from
>below his desk he pulled out a ferris wheel - fully operational.  He even
>said something like - 'no paste'  was used.  It was pretty funny from an
>origami point of view.
>
>Rita
>Philadelphia, PA
>
>
>
Yes I saw the bit, but I question if it was really origami.  There were flat
business cards pasted to the frame of the ferris wheel that obscured the
view of the structure.  I did see one strut and it looked like a card was
wrapped around a another, sturdier piece of the wheel.  The whole thing was
hooked up to a motor, which provided the rotation.  I don't think a folded
model could have spun like this one did.  Just another example of Dave being
silly.

Mark

Mark Morden == marmonk@mail.eskimo.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~marmonk/
--------------------------------------------------------
I believe in Christianity as I believe that the Sun
has risen; not only because I see it, but because by it
I see everything else.
                       C.S. Lewis, "The Weight of Glory"





Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:55:04 -0400 (AST)
From: Mr D Cohen <dc35983@ggr.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Origami & paperfolding definitions

In response to David Lister's commenmts (origami-l #644) re my (and
DORIGAMI's) views on paper airplanes and the relationship to paperfolding /
origami:

I think what I really wanted to say was that paper airplanes, when viewed
from by someone who isn't particulalrly aware of origami, will just view
them, well, as ... paper airplanes. That is, paper airplanes, although of
course they can easily be classed as origami, are seen as almost a specific
craft form, and yes, they can include just pure folding (or not, as the case
may be). There are so many books written about paper airplanes now, that,
like napkin folding (and other related 'crafts'), they are almost seen as a
separate form, and the fact that they _may_ actually be very closely related
to origami from _our_viewpoint, is quite ofetn not of the slightest
importance to many others. A fashion designer using 'folding techniques' to
create an effect with a garment, makes me think along similar lines.

Err, I'm probably repeating myself and rambling on now, so I'll just stop,
and hopefully, the lid might be closed on this. Is it worthy of discussion -
I still hope so, as it helps us to see the use of folding by a myriad of
applications.

David Cohen
dc35983@ggr.co.uk
Columnist for British Origami mamagzine "People, Paper & Places" section





Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 11:00:25 -0400 (AST)
From: Brett Askinazi <brett@hagerhinge.com>
Subject: Re: [NO] Re: Star Trek

Arena is based on a Science Fiction short story by an author named
Frederick Brown.  It might be a good Idea to read the short story and get a
peek into a very good under-acknowledged. Sci-fi writer.

Brett
askinazi@i1.net
----------
> From: Steven Casey <scasey@enternet.com.au>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject: Re: [NO] Re: Star Trek
> Date: Sunday, March 02, 1997 10:08 AM
>
> Non Origami content:
>
> Is there anyone on this list that could help me with information about
the
> following Star Trek episodes:
>
> "Arena"  production date 1967 (Star trek the original)





Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 11:42:29 -0400 (AST)
From: Holmes David EXC IS CH <holmes@chbs.ciba.com>
Subject: Adobe Acrobat 3.0

Hi all,

I noticed this in the comp.text.pdf newsgroup which may interest some
of you.

: From: dbrady@pobox.com (Don Brady)
: Subject: Super $99 .95 Deal on Acrobat 3.0 (for MS Office Users)
: Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 04:37:07 GMT
: Organization: MindSpring Enterprises
:
: I found a super deal on Acrobat as an "upgrade" for MS Office Users
: from MicroWarehouse.  1-800-367-7080.
:
: $99.95  for the PC version (order number SI2424).
:
: Mac version may also be available (order number SID0372) but may be
: gone.
:
: I checked and this deal is not available from other dealers or Adobe.
:
: Expires 3/4.  Requires proof of Office ownership.  I have no
: affiliation with the dealer.
:
: Don

I don't know what the person meant by 3/4 - is it March 4th or April 3rd?
Just thought I'd pass on the info.

Dave

--
David M Holmes              |          Novartis, Inc.
david.holmes@bigfoot.com    |    holmes@chbs.ciba.com
----------------------------+------------------------
Dave's Origami - http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2162/





Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 12:45:13 -0400 (AST)
From: jtweres@lucent.com
Subject: Re: origami addiction???

> Seamas O'Brien Writes:
>
> Is there such thing as an origami addiction?

why of course there is!!!
that's why there's a recovery group called paper folders anonymous

i've attached the "12 Steps of Origami"
was has been revised (for those who may have seen the original posting)

  /-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-///plieur de papier\\\-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\
 /=-= jack thomas weres                         jtweres@lucent.com =-=\
/=======================\\\================///=========================\
"Let Go and Let Fold"                             "One Crease At A Time"

================================================================================
welcome to PFA -- paper folders anonymous

my name is jack
and i am a paper folder

let's recite the 12 Steps

               The Twelve Steps of Origami
               ---------------------------
                                 Copyright 1996 Jack Thomas Weres

Step 1:  We admitted we were powerless over a square piece of paper
         -- that our lives had become unmanageable.

Step 2:  Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves
         could restore us to not looking at all pieces of paper
         and wondering "Hmmm, what can i make out of this?"

Step 3:  Made a decision to turn our paper over to the care of
         The Great & Grand Paper Folder In The Sky as we understood Him.

Step 4:  Made a searching and fearless inventory of our origami books
         and origami paper stock.

Step 5:  Admitted to The Great Paper Folder, to ourselves and to another
         paper folder the exact right-handedness or left-handedness nature
         of our folding.

Step 6:  Were entirely ready to have The Great Paper Folder remove all defects
         of inexact rabbit-ear folds.

Step 7:  Humbly asked Him to remove our incorrect creases.

Step 8:  Made a list of all persons we had flamed/scorned/SPAMed
         on the origami-l mailing list, and became willing
         to make amends to them all.

Step 9:  Made direct email amends to such people wherever possible,
         except when to do so would injure them or others.

Step 10: Continued to take paper inventory and when we had
         too much paper promptly folded it.

Step 11: Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact
         with The Great & Grand Paper Folder In The Sky as we understood Him,
         praying only for knowledge of what He wants us to fold
         and the diagrams to carry that out.

Step 12: Having had a spiritual awakening as the results of these Steps,
         we tried to carry the origami message to others, and to practice
         origami in all our business meetings.





Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 13:00:19 -0400 (AST)
From: jtweres@lucent.com
Subject: revised origami "serenity" prayer

Oh, Great & Grand Paper Folder In The Sky,

Grant me the serenity to assemble ***modular units***,
The courage to fold the things I've never folded,
And the wisdom to know when to finish folding.

        "modular units" may be replaced
         with any particular model
         that may be currently getting the better of you

  /-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-///plieur de papier\\\-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\
 /=-= jack thomas weres                         jtweres@lucent.com =-=\
/=======================\\\================///=========================\
"Let Go and Let Fold"                             "One Crease At A Time"





Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 14:26:53 -0400 (AST)
From: Contractors Exchange <contract@pipeline.com>
Subject: Free paper offer

I have in my possession about 1,500 lightweight postcards (3.5" x 5.5"). In
liew of disposing them, I thought perhaps one of you business card folding
types could use them. The cards were misprinted, so they are rejects, and
free to you. All you would have to pay for is the shipping. If you are
interested, e-mail me privately at contract@pipeline.com. Thank you. Marc





Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 14:14:00 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Re: More 6-Piece Modulars from 3x5 Cards

Kenny Kawamura wrote:

   I was thinking about the 6-card cube, and came up with a few more 6-piece
   modulars from 3x5 cards.

   1. Fold as if the card were the center of a square and you were folding a
   waterbomb, mountain folding the vertical and the horizontal center lines,
   then valley folding the 45 degree diagonals between them. Now, assemble the
   six pieces as if you were doing the 6-piece octagon with dimpled triangles,
   Robert Neale's ornament. The vertical and horizontal creases face outward,
   and the left and right tabs go into the top and bottom pockets of neighboring
   units.

        ________________________________
       |       --      |      --        |  (This side out)
       |         --    :    --          |
       |           --  |  --            |
       |__ _ __ _ __ _ |_ __ _ __ _ __ _|  (horizontal & vertical mountain
   folds)
       |              _|                |
       |            -- :--              |   (diagonal valley folds)
       |          --   |  --            |
       |        --     :    --          |
       |______-________|_______-________|

I have made this module before, using business cards, but any
rectangular card stock or heavy paper will work.

   2 & 3. Take six 3x5 cards. Valleyfold the 45 degree diagonals from the
   centers of the long edges. Then mountain fold the perpendiculars to the long
   edges,that pass thru the intersections of the diagonals. Now assemble them,
   like the 6-card cube. They'll go together either way, left and right tabs
   outside, or left and right tabs inside (harder to get the final tabs in, but
   much tighter, and more elegant), to form a cuboctahedron with dimpled
   triangles, which is the same shape as the Butterfly Ball, but with only half
   the pieces. (Note the vertical folds are 1 inch in from the left and right
   ends.)

        ________________________________
       |       |      --        |       |
       |--     :    --    --    :     --|  (This side in)
       |  --   |  --        --  |   --  |
       |    -- :--            - : --    |  (Vertical mountain folds)
       |      -|               -|       |
       |    -- :--           -- : --    |  (Diagonal valley folds, from middle
   of long edges)
       |  --   |  --       --   |   --  |
       |--     :    --   --     :     --|
       |_______|_______-________|_______|

I have also made these from business cards.  As a variation on this
module, make the left vertical crease run only halfway from bottom to
top and make the right vertical crease run only halfway from top to
bottom, as shown here:

    ________________________________
   |              --        |       |
   |--          --    --    :     --|  (This side in)
   |  --      --        --  |   --  |
   |    --  --            - : --    |  (Vertical mountain folds)
   |      -|               -|       |
   |    -- :--           --   --    |  (Diagonal valley folds, from
   |  --   |  --       --       --  |   middle of long edges)
   |--     :    --   --           --|
   |_______|_______-________________|

Twelve of these will make a nice rhombicuboctahedron with triangular
dimples instead of triangular faces.  It's very hard to assemble, but
quite stable once built.  I've never been able to put it together
without using "temporary tape".

   4. Mountain fold/cupboard-door fold, the long horizontals, then valley fold
   the 4 little 45 degree diagonals indicated. The long left and right tabs go
   into the short top and bottom tabs of neighboring pieces, to make a truncated
   cuboctahedron with dimpled triangles. It's not as sturfy as I would like, but
   it does hold together.
        ________________________________
       |       -  |          |  -       |
       |_________-|__________|-_________|  (This side in)
       |          |          |          |
       |          |          |          |  (Horizontal & vertical valley folds)
       |          |          |          |
       |          |          |          |  (Diagonal mountain fold gussets)
       |__________|__________|__________|
       |         -|          |-         |
       |_______-__|__________|__-_______|

I don't understand what you mean by "truncated cuboctahedron".  Is it
possible you mean the rhombicuboctahedron (18 squares and 8
triangles)?  How many cards do you use?

   5 & 6. Similar to 2 & 3, but start the diagonals at the corners, and reflect
   them when they get to the verticals, 1 inch from either end. Six of these
   again go together in either of two ways. forming a truncated cube with
   dimpled triangles and nice octagonal faces. If you assemble with the left and
   right tabs tucked inside, the octagons are single color, which is very
   pretty, and the result is nice and tight.

        ________________________________
       |-      |    -      -    |      -|
       |   -   :  -          -  :   -   |   (This side in)
       |     - |-              -|-      |
       |       |                |       |   (Diagonal valley folds)
       |       |                |       |
       |       |                |       |   (Vertical folds start as valley
   folds,
       |      -|-              -|-      |    then reverse fold at the diagonals)
       |   -   :  -          -  :  -    |
       |_-_____|____-______-____|_____-_|

I have also made these modules before from business cards.  Actually,
1,2,3,5 & 6 are all variations on an interesting theme.  I learned
this principle from analysis of Valerie Vann's 4 biz card
cuboctahedron: If you have a module that makes a stable model with all
the flaps on the outside, you can convert it to a truncated version of
the same polyhedron by adding a few extra creases to "invert" or
"dimple" its corners inward and the model will (usually) be very
stable with flaps on the inside!

Valerie's cuboctahedron is made by taking the 4 biz card octahedron
and dimpling its corners inward.  If the extra creases are added
closer to the corners (a 3,6,3,6 tesselation of the card), shallower
dimples can be made, and the module can be used to build a truncated
tetrahedron or truncated octahedron.  (The truncated icosahedron is
actually not very stable, because the dihedral angles are quite
shallow.)

I recently applied this principle to a module I had developed for the
second stellation of the dodecahedron.  It makes a very attractive
model.

   (Thank you, Jeannine Mosely, for showing me how to do a text diagram. These
   look ok in WORDPAD.)

You're welcome.  Modulars are great for this.  Just imagine Robert
trying to diagram one of his insects this way! Just a hint about ascii
diagrams, though.  If you add text to the picture, try to keep the
lines short, because somes people's mail readers will automatically
break the line at a fixed number of characters and the text wraps
around an spoils the diagram.

Folding card stock -- is it really origami?

        -- Jeannine ("mad card disease") Mosely





Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 15:19:44 -0400 (AST)
From: CloudRunn@aol.com
Subject: Origami Paper Sources in the South Bay

Hello,

We were bumped from the list in the wake of AOL problems and have just
"reupped".  The following question is probably a duplicate of one recently
asked and so I apologize.

We live in Fremont and are looking for a closer source of origami paper other
than Japan Center in San Francisco.  Any suggestions?  Someone thought there
might be something in San Jose.

Thanks

Jean
CloudRunner





Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 15:56:42 -0400 (AST)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: blintz fold camera

Thank you to all who replied about camera. I will look it up....Dorigami





Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 16:22:20 -0400 (AST)
From: Penny Groom <penny@sector.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Blind folder in Maine

I have received a letter today from Edward H Carr of West Bath, Maine.
He is blind and is trying to locate certain books which has says have
models that are recognizable by touch. I know there have been
discussions about 'Origami for the Connoisseur 'by Kasahara and the
difficulty in finding a copy, but this is one of the ones he wants. The
others are Kasahara & Alice Grey 'The Magic of Origami 'also 'Viva
Origami'.

If any of you know how he can acquire copies of all/any of these please
let me know and I will reply to him. Is there anyone in Maine on
Origami-l who would like to correspond with him directly?( if so please
mail me privately)

Thanks for your help

Penny
------------------------------------------
Penny Groom                Membership Secretary
                           British Origami Society
penny@sector.demon.co.uk
Stairwell's homepage.
http://www.sector.demon.co.uk/index.htm





Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 16:44:42 -0400 (AST)
From: teasel@juno.com (Teasel)
Subject: origami-l digest?

I have unsuccessfully been trying to switch to the digest
version.  Nothing I have tried has worked.

Would anyone please be so kind as to let me know how to
switch to the digest?

Thank you VERY much, and I apologize for bothering the list
with this.





Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 17:29:58 -0400 (AST)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: NOR but facinating web page

Joseph Wu writes:
<<notice the address>>

Yes, Joseph, I did; have you got the knot page
linked to your mother ship page yet?  :-)
I picked it up on the new Delphi Arts & Crafts Forum
web page, which also has a neat link to Celtic Knot art.
(as in "Book of Kells" illumination knots...)

Interestingly the Delphi forum leaders list the origami
links under "arts", rather than "crafts"...

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.ocm





Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 17:35:35 -0400 (AST)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Blind folder in Maine

Magic of Origami (Kasahara/Grey)
is listed currently on Fascinating Folds book
list.

--valerie





Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 22:05:53 -0400 (AST)
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: 30 pounds of foil

No, the subject line is not part of that Christmas song, nor is it part of
that beer drinking song. This is in reference to something that just came
into the mail to me. Yes, it is a lot of pounds for aluminum foil, but it
is the width (24") that I am excited about (the length is 1,000 feet). Now
I will have an even easier time making large foil-backed papers. For those
of you who also would like to experience the joys of owning such a huge
chunk of metal (and have the space), can use the following contact
information: I called Reynolds Foodservice (800-446-3020), who put me in
touch with their distributer (203 367-7000), who then found a local company
who would be willing to sell a single roll. They are Jos. Yavarkovsky
(paper specialty distributers), who are at 212 475-7795, if you happen to
be in NYC. Let me know if you have any questions on this.

Marc





Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 04:24:19 -0400 (AST)
From: puglisi@science.unitn.it (Orazio Puglisi)
Subject: flower tower

Hi, my name is Orazio and I have recently subscribed to this list.

In one of Eric Anderson's pages there is a picture of a model I like very
much, the "flower tower" by Chris Palmer.
Does anyone know how could  I get the diagrams (if they exist) of this model?

All the best from Italy

Orazio

============================================================================
Orazio Puglisi
Dipartimento di Matematica
Universita` di Trento
38050 Povo
ITALY

puglisi@alpha.science.unitn.it





Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 05:23:12 -0400 (AST)
From: Kenny1414@aol.com
Subject: Re: More 6-Piece Modulars from 3x5 Cards

Aloha,

In a message dated 97-03-03 14:03:05 EST, you write:

<<  Kenny Kawamura wrote:

    I was thinking about the 6-card cube, and came up with a few more 6-piece
    modulars from 3x5 cards.
.. (1, octahedral modular)...
I have made this module before, using business cards, but any
rectangular card stock or heavy paper will work.
  >>

That's reasonable. I had 3x5 cards handy, and they allow measuring off the
central 3x3 square by folding. Align the cards at right angles, snug up one
corner and the two adjacent edges, then fold the parts that stick out, in
half, so the edges meet. Adjust and repeat for the other ends.

Actually, I had just found a pack of Oxford brand colored Index Cards, they
come in a pack of 100, 20 each of five colors, blue, purple, green, red, and
yellow, and seem to be calendared on both sides unlike the other brand I've
played with. That is, they're smooth, almost slick, on both sides, and take a
nice crease on either side. So I can make the modules, with the lined side
in, with no loss in appearance. Add a deck of white cards, and I have 6
colors to play with.

Yes, I remember the Four-Color Map Theorem, but really, does a Four-Color
cube feel right to you?

<<...(2 & 3, six-piece cuboctahedra)...
I have also made these from business cards.  As a variation on this
module, make the left vertical crease run only halfway from bottom to
top and make the right vertical crease run only halfway from top to
bottom, as shown here:>>

Neat. I didn't see that. Wasn't looking past six-pieces to twelve, and might
not have seen it even then. I'm not surprised you've already come up with
these, since we're exploiting the same geometry.

<<... (4, truncated cuboctahedron)...
I don't understand what you mean by "truncated cuboctahedron".  Is it
possible you mean the rhombicuboctahedron (18 squares and 8
triangles)?  How many cards do you use?>>

Oops, sorry. Yes, the rhombicuboctahedron. I didn't remember that name, and
think of it as a skewed, truncated cuboctahedron. All these modulars are six
cards, because I was looking for variations on the 6-piece cube.

<<...(5& 6, truncated cubes)...
I have also made these modules before from business cards.>>

Small universe, isn't it. These were new to me, or I didn't remember them
(same effect), and they were pretty, so I sent them to the list.

<<Actually,1,2,3,5 & 6 are all variations on an interesting theme.  I learned
this principle from analysis of Valerie Vann's 4 biz card
cuboctahedron: If you have a module that makes a stable model with all
the flaps on the outside, you can convert it to a truncated version of
the same polyhedron by adding a few extra creases to "invert" or
"dimple" its corners inward and the model will (usually) be very
stable with flaps on the inside!>>

You know, I didn't see that principle, until I accidentally put the truncated
cube together "inside out" from my original design, with the octagons
single-colored. Then I compared that to the cube, and the inside-out cube
that doesn't hold together, and saw what a difference that "waist" at the
tab-edges made. Aha!

Somehow, I didn't make the connection with the cuboctahedron. Just wasn't as
obviously a cube with a little help.

Back when I wanted a cube with single-color faces, I ended up using twelve
pieces, building a cube over a cube, you know?

<<Valerie's cuboctahedron is made by taking the 4 biz card octahedron
and dimpling its corners inward.>>

I'm going to have  to try this, I'm having problems visualizing it. Only 4
pieces?

I remember a two piece cube, with a seam like a baseball.

<< If the extra creases are added
closer to the corners (a 3,6,3,6 tesselation of the card), shallower
dimples can be made, and the module can be used to build a truncated
tetrahedron or truncated octahedron.  (The truncated icosahedron is
actually not very stable, because the dihedral angles are quite
shallow.)

I recently applied this principle to a module I had developed for the
second stellation of the dodecahedron.  It makes a very attractive
model. >>

???? I guess I'm not visualizing these right. Sounds interesting.

<<Just a hint about ascii
diagrams, though.  If you add text to the picture, try to keep the
lines short, because somes people's mail readers will automatically
break the line at a fixed number of characters and the text wraps
around an spoils the diagram.>>

Oops. My fault. Thank you, I'll try to remember.

I was composing in Wordpad, because the AOL software defaults to a
proportional font that messes up the diagram proportions, and I haven't found
a control for forcing a non-proportional font. And of course, Wordpad
wordwraps in a different size window. *sigh*.

And there are people who complain about "hard" line feeds, because it
interferes with their software's word-wrapping, so I'm never sure whether to
line-feed.

Oh, that's interesting. I forgot about this. My AOL mail reader has a little
hollow square gadget, upper right, second to the last, on the window of the
mail reader. If I click that, the window opens wider. Or I can, carefully,
"grab" the frame of the window, when the pointer turns into a double-headed
arrow,  hold down the left mouse button, and drag the window more open.
Doesn't your mail reader have something like this?

Anyway, sorry about the compatibility problems.

<<...Folding card stock -- is it really origami?>>

As much as $ bill folding.

And I've seen some awfully thick hand-made paper. And waxed, and foiled, and
plasticized. And then, there's the paper I read about that's impregnated with
kaolin, and meant to be fired in a kiln and turned into porcelain. Wouldn't
that be nice to fold!

I consider Rubber Balloon Sculpture, Basket Weaving, Woven Ribbon Birds,
Swedish Stars, some sheet metal working, Paper Engineering. etc. to be
branches of Applied Origami, too.

<<-- Jeannine ("mad card disease") Mosely>>

Uh-huh. Origami is a memetic virus, passed from mind to mind.
Don't touch that piece of paper! Who knows what that $ bill has been?

I forgot to mention, some of these modules will stand up on their own. Wonder
how many good-looking, structurally strong, one-piece, origami  signboards,
easels and pedestals  we can come up with?

What do they call those little table-top name-sign things for parties? Anyone
remember?

Seems like "101 Ways to Make Paper Sit Up" would be a fun topic.

I'm wandering off the subject. Good night all!

-- kenny1414@aol.com

Kenneth Kawamura
PO Box 6039
East Lansing,  MI  48826-6039





Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 10:17:13 -0400 (AST)
From: hull@MATH.URI.EDU
Subject: Re: flower tower

Hi!  Orazio Puglisi wrote:

>>>
In one of Eric Anderson's pages there is a picture of a model I like very
much, the "flower tower" by Chris Palmer.
Does anyone know how could  I get the diagrams (if they exist) of this model?
>>>

As far as I know, real, step-by-step diagrams of this model don't exist
yet.  Chris did publish an article on his outrageous origami tessellation
work in the Summer 1996 (or was it Fall?) issue of The Paper (Origami
USA's magazine).  In that article are schematic drawings that detail
the structure of Chris' flower tower, but they're not very easy to
figure out.

I remember Chris telling me that he was working on a book of his
models, but I don't know what the status of that is.  Anyone else know?

----- Tom "just the folds, ma'am" Hull
      hull@math.uri.edu





Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 10:22:39 -0400 (AST)
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: More 6-Piece Modulars from 3x5 Cards

> Actually, I had just found a pack of Oxford brand colored Index Cards, they
> come in a pack of 100, 20 each of five colors, blue, purple, green, red, and
> yellow, and seem to be calendared on both sides unlike the other brand I've
> played with. That is, they're smooth, almost slick, on both sides, and take a
> nice crease on either side. So I can make the modules, with the lined side
> in, with no loss in appearance. Add a deck of white cards, and I have 6
> colors to play with.
>
> Yes, I remember the Four-Color Map Theorem, but really, does a Four-Color
> cube feel right to you?

Hi,

The Four-Color Map Theorem is for planar maps, but similar theorems apply
to other surfaces.  I seem to recall that 5 colors are necessary for
the surface of a torus (i.e. donut).  Probably the number of colors is
related to the number of holes.  I wonder if the full genralization
of the Four-Color Map Theorem to the surface of an arbitrary polyhedron
is known?  Something new to explore with modulars?

                               ciao,
                               Mark

--
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|          e-mail: casida@chimcn.umontreal.ca           |





Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 12:23:56 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Re: More 6-Piece Modulars from 3x5 Cards

Kenny wrote, and Mark replied:

   > Actually, I had just found a pack of Oxford brand colored Index Cards, they
   > come in a pack of 100, 20 each of five colors, blue, purple, green, red,
     and
   > yellow, and seem to be calendared on both sides unlike the other brand I've
   > played with. That is, they're smooth, almost slick, on both sides, and
     take a
   > nice crease on either side. So I can make the modules, with the lined side
   > in, with no loss in appearance. Add a deck of white cards, and I have 6
   > colors to play with.
   >
   > Yes, I remember the Four-Color Map Theorem, but really, does a Four-Color
   > cube feel right to you?

   Hi,

   The Four-Color Map Theorem is for planar maps, but similar theorems apply
   to other surfaces.  I seem to recall that 5 colors are necessary for
   the surface of a torus (i.e. donut).  Probably the number of colors is
   related to the number of holes.  I wonder if the full genralization
   of the Four-Color Map Theorem to the surface of an arbitrary polyhedron
   is known?  Something new to explore with modulars?

                            ciao,
                            Mark

The Four Color Map Theorem is for planar maps, but the polyhedra Kenny
wants to color have planar maps.  To see this, imagine that the
polyhedron is made out of rubber.  Puncture it in the middle of one of
its faces and stretch until the whole thing lies flat.  Voila! You
have a planar map.

The torus requires 7 colors.  I once had a cardboard model of a
polyhedron that I built, from plans published long ago in one of
Martin Garnder's columns, that had 7 (non-convex) hexagonal faces and
a hole through the middle, that is, it was topologically a torus.
Every hexagonal face shared an edge with each of its neighbors.  A
peculiar object indeed.

I believe the number of colors required for surfaces of higher genus
(more holes) is known for arbitrary genus, but I don't know the
formula.

Of course, my level 3 Menger's Sponge, when finished, will be an
object of enormous genus.  Oh dear, there's something I need to
calculate!

        -- Jeannine Mosely





Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 12:36:43 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Re: More 6-Piece Modulars from 3x5 Cards

Kenneth wrote:

   That's reasonable. I had 3x5 cards handy, and they allow measuring off the
   central 3x3 square by folding. Align the cards at right angles, snug up one
   corner and the two adjacent edges, then fold the parts that stick out, in
   half, so the edges meet. Adjust and repeat for the other ends.

This technique works for any rectangle -- not just 3x5 cards.

   Oops, sorry. Yes, the rhombicuboctahedron. I didn't remember that name, and
   think of it as a skewed, truncated cuboctahedron. All these modulars are six
   cards, because I was looking for variations on the 6-piece cube.

I wouldn't remember the name, either, if I didn't have a poster of all
the Archimedean solids on my wall.  I figured out how to make this one
from your directions last night.  Thanks.  It's not too stable, but it
looks good.

   << I recently applied this principle to a module I had developed for the
   second stellation of the dodecahedron.  It makes a very attractive
   model. >>

   ???? I guess I'm not visualizing these right. Sounds interesting.

Yeah, this one is just really hard to describe.  I need to scan in
some pictures for the web.

   I consider Rubber Balloon Sculpture, Basket Weaving, Woven Ribbon Birds,
   Swedish Stars, some sheet metal working, Paper Engineering. etc. to be
   branches of Applied Origami, too.

Well I call that downright broad-minded!

   -- Jeannine Mosely





Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 13:20:09 -0400 (AST)
From: hull@MATH.URI.EDU
Subject: Coloring maps: was More on 6-Piece Modulars...

Hey!

Hey!

Mark wrote:

>>>
I wonder if the full genralization
   of the Four-Color Map Theorem to the surface of an arbitrary polyhedron
   is known?  Something new to explore with modulars?
>>>

And Jeannine replied:

>>>
I believe the number of colors required for surfaces of higher genus
(more holes) is known for arbitrary genus, but I don't know the
formula.
>>>

Oh gosh!  Gee!  Someone is actually asking a graph theory question on
origami-l!  Oh wow!

The result Jeannine is refering to is known as the Heawood Map Coloring
Theorem.  It states that any map drawn on a surface with n holes (i.e.,
a sphere with n handles attaches, or an n-holed torus) can be properly
colored (i.e., no two regions that share a border get the same color)
using this many colors:
        \floor[ (7 + \sqrt(1 + 48n) )/2 ]
(where \floor returns the largest integer smaller that the given number.)
So when you have a dognut, that's only one hole, so n=1 and the
formula gives 7 colors.

I don't know of any theorems for surfaces of infinite genus, like
the Menger sponge.  On the other hand, if you were to turn your
"Menger sponge polyhedron" into a graph, I think it would be regular.
In fact, since you're using those business card modules, my guess
is that it would be 4-regular, so Brooks Theorem would tell you that
4 colors (at most) would suffice.

I apologize for the graph theory.  For anyone who is interested in how
these kind of theorems relate to modular origami, I suggest reading my
paper in the \articles subdirectory of the archives, called pgmo
(short for Planar Graphs and Modular Origami).

---- Tom "enjoying the snow" Hull
     hull@math.uri.edu





Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 14:50:17 -0400 (AST)
From: rhudson@netrax.net (Hudson-Robert)
Subject: card convention

Someone should convince OUSA to have a "card convention" on the Monday of
this year's summer con.  :)

Two years ago it was therapy, last year techniques.. this year.... "CARD
CRAZE!~"

Rob





Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 16:32:56 -0400 (AST)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Letterman &  Biz Card Origami

<<Biz Card origami ferris wheel on
<<Letterman TV show

I thought there must have been some glue
involved, too. However, true to the
biz card origami tradition, did you notice
that a couple of cards fell off when he
went to put it away under the desk??  :-)

Also the rim of the wheel construction looked
similar to a rolling origami "toy" I've seen
somewhere...

It was a neat ferris wheel, anyway, even if
it was glued.

--valerie





Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 16:48:50 -0400 (AST)
From: rita <rstevens@philly.infi.net>
Subject: Disappointed

I have learned my lesson and urge everyone to learn from my mistake.  I was
asked to find an origami book by someone on this list.  In early January I
contacted the person and told them I found it and purchased it if they still
were interested.  They sent me their address and asked for mine so that they
could send me a check.  I immediately (and naively) sent out the book.  I
have yet to receive payment for the book despite many attempts to contact
the person and ask nicely where the payment was.  I can't believe people are
so rude (and that I'm such a sucker).  I have learned *never* to send things
out before being paid.

I just wanted everyone to at least be aware that something like this can
happen, even on a list where almost everyone seems so considerate.

Rita





Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 16:27:55 -0400 (AST)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: More 6-Piece Modulars from 3x5 Cards

Doesn't an "edge-unit" modular require
a variation on the 4-color map problem?

Incidentally, I think Tom Hull (list member,
math guru) is the person you folks want to
raise color mapping questions with; he's
writing a doctoral thesis in this area,
specifically as applied to origami...

He doesn't seem to be following the list closely
lately (busy w/ thesis, I imagine), but if you
put his name and or "math" in the subject, you
may get his attention..

--valerie





Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 18:07:49 -0400 (AST)
From: "S.W. Nelson" <sn5@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re:Disappointed to Rita

**I have learned *never* to send things
out before being paid.
I just wanted everyone to at least be aware that something like this can
happen, even on a list where almost everyone seems so considerate.**

That's sad this happend to you. It's happened to me before.
Fortunately you can still be a nice person.
Maybe after reading your message the person will send h/her apologies
and the cost!
I'd like to know who it was so I don't send out something!
After.. oh say... a week, could you let me know the persons name if h/she
     doesn't notify you?

stay kewl!
Rachael





Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 18:43:17 -0400 (AST)
From: teasel@juno.com (Teasel)
Subject: Disappointed

rita <rstevens@philly.infi.net> wrote about having been
cheated by someone on this list who asked her to purchase a
book for them and promised to send her their check, but never
did so (although she sent them the book two months ago).  She
closed with "I have learned *never* to send things out before
being paid."

Unfortunately, the reverse of this situation also holds true.
I have been cheated several times (sending payments but never
receiving any of the items ordered).

I also used to share craft videos (at my own expense, not
even charging postage) just to help others learn new crafts.
I had to stop doing _THAT_ when several people flatly refused
to return my videos <sigh>.

It is a darned shame, but many people simply cannot be
trusted - which includes many on the net.





Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 19:16:33 -0400 (AST)
From: "John C. Wright" <jwright@pppl.gov>
Subject:

In Lucent Technologies 1997 Commemorative Calendar
Turned to March the other day.  The picure is shows several
modular origami pieces with lots of origami frogs
by Aldo Putignano
Its supposed to say something about money being the paper that
shapes the banking industry.

john c. wright , graduate student in plasma physics
 http://w3.pppl.gov/~jwright





Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 19:11:27 -0400 (AST)
From: Jennifer Andre <JAndre@cfipro.com>
Subject: re: Disappointments

     I hope the transgressions of the dishonest (or perhaps the money
     and/or items really did get lost along the way) will not quell the
     open, friendly atmosphere I treasure from this list.

     Still, Rita and ?? (I can't see your return address, Nice-Video-
     Sharing-Person), you do us a great service to remind us not to be
     overly naiive.  You've put your mildly painful lessons to good use.
     Thank you.

     May your paper supply be ever dutiful and plentiful!

     - Jennifer
     JAndre@cfipro.com
     Portland, Oregon, USA

     Fold it, ergo sum!





Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 19:25:02 -0400 (AST)
From: Anhinga <dwildstr@mbhs.edu>
Subject: Re: Disappointed

On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, rita wrote:

> so rude (and that I'm such a sucker).  I have learned *never* to send things
> out before being paid.

On another list I'm on (little ad: 'subscribe pet-sounds' to
majordomo@lists.primenet.com if you love Brian Wilson) we have a tradition
of blacklisting people who don't deliver on trades/sales and not trading
anything with them until they pay their debts. It's generally a pretty
effective way of keeping the diehards (which, on PSL is everybody) honest.
There's no unified blacklist, but requests and offers on the list are
occasionally accompanied by warnings about that particular person.

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Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 20:27:08 -0400 (AST)
From: Sandra Wambold <wambold@pobox.COM>
Subject: Re: Origami Paper Sources in the South Bay

The "San Jose" Kinokuniya bookstore in the Yaohan market in Campbell
carries the standard kinds of paper.

-sew





Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 20:37:36 -0400 (AST)
From: Jennifer Andre <JAndre@cfipro.com>
Subject: David Wildstrom (and anyone else)!  (longish, diatribish)

     Okay, Mr. Wildstrom (whose private address I cannot see), suppose we
     did decide consider to "blacklisting" Origami-L people.  I have a few
     questions.

     - Who decides what counts as blacklist-worthy (I think I just invented
     a term)?  Who decides the criteria and how?

     - Can the Decisionmaker be trusted implicitly?

     - What happens when a blacklisted person has paid his or her debt to
     Virtual Society?  How does the Decisionmaker know when the debt is
     paid?

     - What happens when an innocent person is blacklisted?

     - What happens when the criteria for blacklisting expand?

     - Where does the policing stop?  CAN anything or anyone stop it?

     - What is your function in the Montgomery County system?  High school
     student who has not yet been assigned George Orwell's "1984" or Aldous
     Huxley's "Brave New World?"  Are you a person who, like me, is blessed
     with not having been in present life form during the McCarthy Era?
     (I'm fascinated that the term "blacklist" has been used so boldly on
     your PSL.)  Do you have access to an American History teacher?  Yes or
     no, please read up on all of this.

     I know it all sounds friendly enough to talk about placing an innocent
     little metaphorically velcro-backed scarlet letter on someone who
     really seems to deserve it, such as someone who sends Miss Rita off to
     buy and mail a book and then doesn't cough up the funds, but even
     recent American history demonstrates that even the most seemingly
     innocent ideas can grow miserably out of control.

     I'm sorry to get so far off the topic of beautiful sheets of colorful
     paper and folding those sheets into delicate, often whimsical forms,
     but I can't sit still when human history threatens to repeat itself on
     even the most microcosmic level.

     Hey, who among us has never yapped at someone about something we think
     is better for him or her?  I'm not saying I'm without sin and get to
     cast the first stone.  However, there are still some people alive who
     have hideous numbers tattooed to their wrists (or ankles if they were
     babies) who might understand why I get so worked up about even a hint
     of censorship.  BTW...Hitler "interned" more than Jewish people --
     READ!!!

     Love (I wouldn't send this if I didn't really love you all),
     Jennifer
     JAndre@cfipro.com

     Fold it, ergo sum.

     PS, I reserve the right to assume I'm completely right, thus rendering
     any inarticulate flaming utterly ineffectual.





Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 22:09:27 -0400 (AST)
From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: Re: David Wildstrom (and anyone else) [NO]

 >
 >      Okay, Mr. Wildstrom (whose private address I cannot see), suppose we
 >      did decide consider to "blacklisting" Origami-L people.  I have a few
 >      questions.
 >
 >      - Who decides what counts as blacklist-worthy (I think I just invented
 >      a term)?  Who decides the criteria and how?
 >
 >      - Can the Decisionmaker be trusted implicitly?
 >      Love (I wouldn't send this if I didn't really love you all),
 >      Jennifer
 >      JAndre@cfipro.com

 And along the same lines, who says that the individual did not send the
 payment? Perhaps the payment was sent and simply lost in the mail? Did the
 individual respond to further queries about the payment? Did the messages
 bounce back? Is the individual still on the list? Perhaps the individual
 never even received the book? There are lots of ifs and lots of questions.

 --
 Sheldon Ackerman.......http://www.dorsai.org/~ackerman/
 ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org
 sheldon_ackerman@fc1.nycenet.edu
