




Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 16:22:01 -0400 (AST)
From: John Smith <jon.pure@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Psychology...(Sorry,long and probably boring)

At 07:24 PM 2/23/97 -0400, you wrote:

> As a warning, I should say that
>I study psychology here in Bern, Switzerland,

Hi Mathias

Thank you for your response to my summary of the pilot tests that I carried out.

I will try to reply to the points that you regard as very important. I
should emphasise, however, that  the idea of the pilot study was to see
whether such a survey could be carried out and whether the results pointed
to relationships or ideas that might tie up with other experience and
theories, and make it worthwhile doing more work.

I have thought it best to make these points to Origami-l since your message
was addressed in that way. I doubt whether such technical discussion is of
much interest to anyone else so if you wish we can continue privately.

Thank you for the warning, I did not realise that those studying psychology
were dangerous to know! Statisticians can be very dangerous as well, and are
best kept in chains. I should just say, that for many years I worked as a
statistician specialising in Market and Opinion Research, and during this
time I designed and analysed research with psychologists of various types
and beliefs.

>
>First of all, how many people have filled out this questionnaire?
>Statistical power depends on the number of participants.

The pilot analysis that I reported was based on just over 30 completed
questionnaires.
There was a good spread of ages and a fifty-fifty split between men and women.
I only reported results that were significany using the most powerful test
available which as you know depends, not only on the number of participants,
but also on the variance, the degree of difference between the parameters
being studied, and the particular test selected.

>Second, did you have a "control group"? You say that "the sample
>scored highly on empathy and imagination." Highly compared to what

I did not have a control group, I am not sure how a matching control group
could be defined, as we know almost nothing about the important
characteristics of folders. In any case I was concerned with studying those
who fold. You will remember the old joke, when the robber was asked why do
you rob banks he replied because that's where the money is!

With regard to the personality inventory or profile, I was using a
simplified version of the work of Peter Saville of Saville and Holdsworth in
the UK used for staff selection by major companies. The scores on structure,
imagination etc have been calibrated, I am assured, so that the average
person lies in the middle of the scale. I am very dubious about such
constructs but I decided to include them in my research to see whether it
was possible to include a battery of such questions and whether the was any
indication of relationships with interests etc that would be worth further
work.

>Without knowing just how you created your two factors
 Mixing
>capabilites with interests seems a bit odd to me.

My two factors were obtained from the correlation matrix of the interest
scores . I used the method of obtaining the principal components followed by
orthogonal rotation to a simpler structure (ie following L.L.Thurstone's
theory) using the Varimax procedures. Because of the small sample I only
took the first two factors that together explained a high percentage of the
total variation.

I am puzzled why you think I am mixing capabilities with interests. What I
was doing was using a score for each person on each of the two factors and
relating this to the scores they obtained on what you called capabilities.
Since these were independently  obtained I see no difficulty in testing for
significance of relationships.

I would prefer to concentrate on whether the results I have  obtained seem
to be worth further work. It is interesting to note that the Netherlands
have well over 90 percent of membership of their Origami Society as women.
The focus of their paper folding  is in the area of decoration and design
much of it tends to the abstract. Where societies are dominated by male
folders I suggest that the logical problem solving factor is very high and
we see the great interest in solving complex folding problems. I wonder if
my two factors might be connected with the supposed specialisation of the
two sides of the brain. I would welcome discussion on some of these ideas. I
very much look forward to a contribution from you to help in our
understanding of the psychology of paper folders

Many thanks for your comments I hope we are not boring everyone else

Regards

John
John Smith
Norwich
England
e-mail  jon.pure@paston.co.uk





Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 16:23:13 -0400 (AST)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: paper airplanes

Carmel Morris <cmorris@geko.net.au> sez

>On the matter of royalties, anyone out there happy with theirs

No....

>and/or publishers?

No!

all the best,

Nick Robinson

personal email  nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
DART homepage   http://www.shef.ac.uk/uni/projects/oip/dart/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk





Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 16:22:49 -0400 (AST)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: Spaceships and Snowflakes

Hi All,

all this talk about Enterprise and other spaceships makes me curious.
I accidently folded a simple spaceship once; it was supposed to become
a butterfly, but somehow morphed into a hunter with laser cannons.
My daughter loved it :-). Now I am looking for Origami spaceship models.
Does anyone know about books/websites dedicated to spaceships ? If
possible, please give full bibliographic information (title, author,
ISBN, etc.) because I will probably have to order it. They don`t have
much Origami books here in Switzerland.

And, is there anything that hasn`t been folded yet?
Ive seen animals, furniture, plants, vehicles, and now even spaceships.
How about snowflakes? Has anybody ever folded a snowflake? It would look
beautiful, I think.

Matthias





Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 16:22:29 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Re: Tolkien & Origami (was Re: one standard....)

Nick Robinson wrote:

   Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp> sez

   >=ObOrigami:  Has anyone designed a model of a Ballrog?
   >
   >Hmm....I've thought about it, what with my mythology bent and all, but have
   >you ever seen a good description of one?

   Big, hairy & ugly, but that could account for 1/2 the BOS council ;)
   (not *you* Penny, of course!)

The Ballrog has large wings.  I always thought the demon on the cover
of "Viva Origami" was a good candidate for being a Ballrog.

        -- Jeannine Mosely





Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 16:39:57 -0400 (AST)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Sighting

Kevin Kinney <kkinney@med.unc.edu> sez

>Hershey's Nuggets chocolate candy.

Mark Kennedy once sent a bag full of Hershey Kisses to an English
convention - they were very popular & not for the wrappers!

all the best,

Nick Robinson

personal email  nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk





Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 18:13:46 -0400 (AST)
From: Cathy Palmer-Lister <cathypl@generation.net>
Subject: RE: one standard....

>
>It'd be great to see them use origami in the show, and if their
>finances run out, they could always use origami Star Furies instead
>of the CGI variety 8^)
>
>Dave
>
>--
>David M Holmes              |          Novartis, Inc.
>david.holmes@bigfoot.com    |    holmes@chbs.ciba.com

Dominique folds Star Furies, too.  They're also made of frogs!!  Versatile
little critters....

                                        Cathy





Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 18:13:19 -0400 (AST)
From: Cathy Palmer-Lister <cathypl@generation.net>
Subject: spiders

At 05:23 AM 1997-02-25 -0400, you wrote:

>There is a spider design in P.D. Tuyen's "Classic Origami" (Sterling
>Publishing Company, Inc. ISBN: 0 80691 281 2)  There may be others, but
>I haven't seen any.  I think to get the right spider effect you'd need
>to create a wet-fold design though.
>
>Here's hoping for the fifth season & <-- fingers crossed 8^)
>
>Dave
>
>--
Thanks, Dave!  I have forwarded your message to Dominique.  He has been
turning frogs into Vorlon ships, God knows what spiders will turn into!

                                                                Cathy





Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 19:15:27 -0400 (AST)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Re: Tolkien & Origami (was Re: one standard....)

>The Ballrog has large wings.  I always thought the demon on the cover
>of "Viva Origami" was a good candidate for being a Ballrog.

        Nahhhh...much to anthropomorphic.  It's got that "cutesy" quality
that just doesn't make for a good Balrog (one "l").  I'm not sure why, but
for some reason origami models just don't lend themselves to becoming
unspeakably hideous monsters, even the masks.  I'd love to see an origami
model of one of the creatures from _Aliens_, too, but I don't think it's
something that could be pulled off effectively with origami.  8-C

Jerry D. Harris                       (214) 768-2750
Dept. of Geological Sciences          FAX:  768-2701
Southern Methodist University
Box 750395                            jdharris@post.smu.edu
Dallas  TX  75275-0395                (Compuserve:  102354,2222)

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 20:09:54 -0400 (AST)
From: "S.W. Nelson" <sn5@earthlink.net>
Subject: Another Intro..to: Bill

**I have been folding for about 19 years (I am 30), and cannot imagine not
folding. I have a decent origami library.  I also have a love for
folding. **
**My 9 year old daughter seems to be following my lead, and has begun
asking for origami books and paper,..**

Hi Bill,

I love to hear why people fold. Is is love or obsession, exercise for
dexterity or for the mind? who cares! (smile)
It's important to involve children and the world needs more dads like you!

My daughter doesn't fold,(darn) but when I'm folding she always says to me,
"thinking thinking"! It's become my meditation.

I am dyslexic, ADHD and ambidextrous.. so folding is the one thing that
doesn't bore me. My mind is in constant flow of shapes and angles, but forget
     math! If I physically _see a shape, I can copy it, but read directions is
     a no go.

Gadl to read your intro!
Rachael





Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 21:23:42 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Tolkien & Origami (was Re: one standard....)

On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Jerry D. Harris wrote:

=>The Ballrog has large wings.  I always thought the demon on the cover
=>of "Viva Origami" was a good candidate for being a Ballrog.
=        Nahhhh...much to anthropomorphic.  It's got that "cutesy" quality
=that just doesn't make for a good Balrog (one "l").

BTW, Maekawa-san calls it a "devil". Anyway, if I remember correctly, the
Balrog description in tLotR mentions that it is large, winged, and is
enveloped in flame (but we all know how good my memory is for things
Tolkeinesque, right?). I would assume that the Balrog *would* be more
anthropomorphic, since it is a form assumed by one of the "demigods" of Middle
Earth (called Maiar, I think). Gandalf himself was one of them, and he took on
an essentially human form. I agree that the emphasis on the face (with its
"cutesy"-ness) does make the "devil" less Balrog-like than it could be. I tend

=I'm not sure why, but
=for some reason origami models just don't lend themselves to becoming
=unspeakably hideous monsters, even the masks.  I'd love to see an origami
=model of one of the creatures from _Aliens_, too, but I don't think it's
=something that could be pulled off effectively with origami.  8-C

No? Well, take a look at
<http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami/Gallery/Japan/alien-noa.html> for a well-done
alien. I apologise in advance for the over-contrast in the picture.

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 21:22:58 -0400 (AST)
From: cmorris@geko.net.au (Carmel Morris)
Subject: Re: B5 (was RE: one standard....)

>I've thought about trying to design the station; perhaps if I knew
>how to get many points I'd then be able to include the solar panels.

I managed to design an orgami Epsilon 3. Screw up a ball of paper.

C.

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 21:27:05 -0400 (AST)
From: cmorris@geko.net.au (Carmel Morris)
Subject: RE: one standard....

>It'd be great to see them use origami in the show, and if their
>finances run out, they could always use origami Star Furies instead
>of the CGI variety 8^)

I think they *are* origami Star Furies. Seen the way the burn up?

Carmel (Sydney Australia - a voice in the wilderness)

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 21:30:49 -0400 (AST)
From: cmorris@geko.net.au (Carmel Morris)
Subject: Re: paper airplanes

>>>Gee, hasn't anyone got nay of my paper plane books?
>
>>>They can't be *that bad* can they?
>
>They sure aren't that bad, as I bought a couple of the Advanced Paper
>Aircraft volumes for Christmas presents. They're reasonably easy to get in
>the UK.

I wish the royalties was easy to get out of the UK!

>I especially like your sense of humour!

Gee thanks. Think I'll join BARF, perhaps learn how to make
a paper chunder - wet folded of course.

BCNU

Carmel

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 23:18:00 -0400 (AST)
From: Alasdair Post-Quinn <alasdair@staff.feldberg.brandeis.edu>
Subject: Re: Tolkien & Origami (was Re: one standard....)

At 07:15 PM 2/25/97 -0400, you wrote:
>model of one of the creatures from _Aliens_, too, but I don't think it's
>something that could be pulled off effectively with origami.  8-C

Actually, it can be.... Akira Yoshizawa has done one (as odd as that
sounds) and it's not bad, as I remember. There's a picture of it in one of
the ORUs. I don't know which one so find it yourself :)

peace,
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        _____ | |       _____ ( (____ aint   \ \ _____  _   ____
       (____ || |      (____ | \____ \  _    | |(____ || | / ___)
       / ___ || |_____ / ___ | _____) )| |  / / / ___ || || | as i do
       \_____||_______)\_____|(______/ | | / /  \_____||_||_| today.
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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 23:22:50 -0400 (AST)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Re: Tolkien & Origami (was Re: one standard....)

>BTW, Maekawa-san calls it a "devil".

        Yeah -- doesn't the title in Japanese say "oni," which translates
to be devil or demon?  Everyone I ever show it to calls it a gargoyle,
probably because of the superficial resemblance to Goliath on the animated
show of the same name.

>
>No? Well, take a look at
><http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami/Gallery/Japan/alien-noa.html> for a well-done
>alien. I apologise in advance for the over-contrast in the picture.

        I sit corrected!  Is that your model?  Is it diagrammed?
Still...it's not quite a scary-looking as the ones in the movie, but then
again, that's looking at a bright photo, and not rounding a dark corner and
bumping into one unexpectedly...

Jerry D. Harris                       (214) 768-2750
Dept. of Geological Sciences          FAX:  768-2701
Southern Methodist University
Box 750395                            jdharris@post.smu.edu
Dallas  TX  75275-0395                (Compuserve:  102354,2222)

"Science _does_ have all the answers -- we just don't have all the
science."
                        -- James Morrow





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 00:01:36 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Tolkien & Origami (was Re: one standard....)

On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Alasdair Post-Quinn wrote:

=At 07:15 PM 2/25/97 -0400, you wrote:
=>model of one of the creatures from _Aliens_, too, but I don't think it's
=>something that could be pulled off effectively with origami.  8-C
=Actually, it can be.... Akira Yoshizawa has done one (as odd as that
=sounds) and it's not bad, as I remember. There's a picture of it in one of
=the ORUs. I don't know which one so find it yourself :)

Are you sure about that? Sounds somewhat out of character...

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 00:08:52 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Tolkien & Origami (was Re: one standard....)

On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Jerry D. Harris wrote:

=>BTW, Maekawa-san calls it a "devil".
=        Yeah -- doesn't the title in Japanese say "oni," which translates
=to be devil or demon?  Everyone I ever show it to calls it a gargoyle,
=probably because of the superficial resemblance to Goliath on the animated
=show of the same name.

Actually, he calls it "akuma" which means "devil" or sometimes "demon". It's
the word used in the Japanese translations of the Bible to mean the Devil.
"Oni" is a different type of creature, and is more commonly translated "ogre"
(or "giant" or "goblin") although it is also translated "devil" or "demon". I
think his critter looks like a demon because I folded a large one out of
greyish-blue marble paper that makes it look it has been carved out of stone.

=>No? Well, take a look at
=><http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami/Gallery/Japan/alien-noa.html> for a well-done
=>alien. I apologise in advance for the over-contrast in the picture.
=        I sit corrected!  Is that your model?  Is it diagrammed?
=Still...it's not quite a scary-looking as the ones in the movie, but then
=again, that's looking at a bright photo, and not rounding a dark corner and
=bumping into one unexpectedly...

I have no idea whose model it is. I took the picture at the NOA offices and
they couldn't tell me who made the various models there. And, yes, the setting
makes it much less scary than it might be.

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 00:25:36 -0400 (AST)
From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Tolkien & Origami (was Re: one standard....)

At 09:23 PM 2/25/97 -0400, Joseph Wu wrote:

>No? Well, take a look at
><http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami/Gallery/Japan/alien-noa.html> for a well-done
>alien. I apologise in advance for the over-contrast in the picture.
>

Wow! The creater should be an alien?!

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 00:21:48 -0400 (AST)
From: "Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy)" <sychen@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Another Intro..to: Bill

At 08:10 PM 2/25/97 -0400, Rachael wrote:

>I love to hear why people fold. Is is love or obsession, exercise for
>dexterity or for the mind? who cares! (smile)
>It's important to involve children and the world needs more dads like you!
>

My 3 1/2 year old daughter sang "Daddy on the bus goes Fold FOLD Fold
Fold Fold ..."!

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 00:41:07 -0400 (AST)
From: Alasdair Post-Quinn <alasdair@staff.feldberg.brandeis.edu>
Subject: Re: Tolkien & Origami (was Re: one standard....)

At 12:01 AM 2/26/97 -0400, you wrote:
>=Actually, it can be.... Akira Yoshizawa has done one (as odd as that
>=sounds) and it's not bad, as I remember. There's a picture of it in one of
>=the ORUs. I don't know which one so find it yourself :)
>
>Are you sure about that? Sounds somewhat out of character...

Not entirely. But it's not the same one that's on Joseph's page. I remember
seeing the caption and being very surprised to see Yoshizawa's name in
English there. As you say, it is very out of character for him, but perhaps
in the later stages of his life he's lightening up.

Doubtful.

I'm probably just remembering wrong. I'll check Sasuga when I go there this
Saturday.

peace,

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    i feel as | | much like i  / _____)(_____ \   did  (_) yesterday
        _____ | |       _____ ( (____ aint   \ \ _____  _   ____
       (____ || |      (____ | \____ \  _    | |(____ || | / ___)
       / ___ || |_____ / ___ | _____) )| |  / / / ___ || || | as i do
       \_____||_______)\_____|(______/ | | / /  \_____||_||_| today.
  alasdair@staff.feldberg.brandeis.edu | |/ /itus
     www.middlebury.edu/~acpquinn      |   /





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 03:27:40 -0400 (AST)
From: Kenny1414@aol.com
Subject: Re: Psychology...(not boring)

In a message dated 97-02-25 15:46:24 EST, you write:

<< I hope we are not boring everyone else >>

I can't speak for anyone else, but I found the discussion interesting. Thank
you for the entertainment.

<< I am puzzled why you think I am mixing capabilities with interests. What I
was doing was using a score for each person on each of the two factors and
relating this to the scores they obtained on what you called capabilities.
Since these were independently  obtained I see no difficulty in testing for
significance of relationships. >>

This sounds like abstracting several possibly unrelated categories down to
numbers, "scores", then doing purely formal manipulations, "relating" and
"testing for ... relationships". Because these are only formal manipulations,
the results are not necessarily meaningful.

The scores being "independently obtained" does not make them more meaningful.

I am bothered a little by the use of the word "significance" which in
Statististics appears to be a technical jargon that does not mean what the
word means in ordinary English. In particular, I remember a LOW numeric value
for "significance ratio" indicated a possible (but not for sure) relation
between two factors, so it should really have been called an 'insignificance
ratio'.

I once saw a crosstabulation run on a survey, where the low "significance
ratio" turned up an apparent high correlation between two factors. It turned
out to be between age and birthdate. Yes there was a correlation, but no, it
had no value whatever.

With regards to <<capabilities with interests>>, I think Mathias is drilling
down into the data, trying to see what the numeric scores actually refer to,
and commenting that they seem to be two distinct dimensions, so the score
scales aren't meaningfully comparable. Maybe this boils down to "How do we
know this is meaningful?".

Aloha,

Kenny1414@aol.com

Kenneth Kawamura
PO Box 6039
E Lansing  MI  48826-6039





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 03:50:33 -0400 (AST)
From: Gavin Koh <gkwk2@cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Tolkien & Origami (was Re: one standard....)

At 21:23 2/25/97 -0400, you wrote:
>On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Jerry D. Harris wrote:
>No? Well, take a look at
><http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami/Gallery/Japan/alien-noa.html> for a well-done
>alien. I apologise in advance for the over-contrast in the picture.

Kewl!  Is it diagrammed?  I only see the finished model.

Gav.
________________________________________________
Gavin Koh
<gkwk2@cam.ac.uk>





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 04:09:45 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Tolkien & Origami (was Re: one standard....)

On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Gavin Koh wrote:

=>No? Well, take a look at
=><http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami/Gallery/Japan/alien-noa.html> for a well-done
=>alien. I apologise in advance for the over-contrast in the picture.
=
=Kewl!  Is it diagrammed?  I only see the finished model.

>From the page where I show the photo:

  Creator: Unknown
  Folder: Unknown

In other words, I don't know! I doubt that it is diagrammed, but that's just
my guess.

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 04:25:43 -0400 (AST)
From: Maarten van Gelder <M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: PostScript EPS 3.0

Some one gave me a EPS file with diagrams, but I couldn't print/view it.
The file is created via Corel Draw 6.0 and exported to a ADOBE A1
ILLUSTRATOR.EPS file version 3.0.

Anybody who knows how to print this?

I think I need a kind of preamble and postamble for this.
I've got these for EPS version 1.0, but they don't work for version 3.0.

Maarten van Gelder,           Rekencentrum RuG,  RijksUniversiteit Groningen
M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl                         Nederland





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 04:35:03 -0400 (AST)
From: Philip Brown <philip.brown@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Enterprise Mark

I lost my email messages after reading your message as to where to get a
copy of your Starship Enterprise model.   Any chance you could leave the
email address again please?   Mucho thanks

Philip





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 07:36:56 -0400 (AST)
From: acc-a@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk
Subject: Re: PostScript EPS 3.0

>
> Some one gave me a EPS file with diagrams, but I couldn't print/view it.
> The file is created via Corel Draw 6.0 and exported to a ADOBE A1
> ILLUSTRATOR.EPS file version 3.0.
>
> Anybody who knows how to print this?
>
> I think I need a kind of preamble and postamble for this.
> I've got these for EPS version 1.0, but they don't work for version 3.0.
>
>
> Maarten van Gelder,           Rekencentrum RuG,  RijksUniversiteit Groningen
> M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl                         Nederland
>

My advise would be be to you tgif which is a vector drawing package, the EPS
     format
is used by latex (which might be what it was designed for) so to view it you can
1: load it into tgif and save it as another format
2: include it into a empty latex document and then latex it and then comvert
     that to
   postscript and print that
3: theres probably a latex tool that will comvert EPS to something (the latex
     package
   has comversion tools for everything under the sun)

Note theses are all unix tools and while I know latex is available for other
     systems
I dont know if tgif is

if you have access to ADOBE or Corel Draw why not load it into one of the two
     and then
resave it as something else

That should help

Alex the Spod





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 08:29:22 -0400 (AST)
From: HMoor92949@aol.com
Subject: Re: spiders

Someone may have mentioned it earlier, but there is also a spider diagramed
in Origami animals by Hector Rojas, Sterling, ISBN 0-8069-8649-2





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:34:55 -0400 (AST)
From: "Goveia, William P" <wgoveia@indiana.edu>
Subject: RE: Another Intro..to: Bill

We just adopted MS Exchange, and I am in my third week of using it, so
please let me know if this message comes out wacky at the other
end....Comments are embedded in the message below:

>-----Original Message-----
>From:  S.W. Nelson [SMTP:sn5@earthlink.net]
>Sent:  Tuesday, February 25, 1997 7:10 PM
>To:    Multiple recipients of list
>Subject:       Another Intro..to: Bill
>
>**I have been folding for about 19 years (I am 30), and cannot imagine not
>folding. I have a decent origami library.  I also have a love for
>folding. **
>**My 9 year old daughter seems to be following my lead, and has begun
>asking for origami books and paper,..**
>
>Hi Bill,
>
>I love to hear why people fold. Is is love or obsession, exercise for
>dexterity or for the mind? who cares! (smile)
>It's important to involve children and the world needs more dads like you!
>[Goveia, William P]
>It is just something that I picked up as a kid, and I have just never
>entertained the idea of stopping...Is that an obsession?  ;-)
>
>My daughter doesn't fold,(darn) but when I'm folding she always says to me,
>"thinking thinking"! It's become my meditation.
>
>[Goveia, William P]
>How old is she?  I vividly remember the day my daughter first "noticed" my
>folding.  It had to do with a model of a kitty cat (without a doubt, her
>favorite animal)...Once she tried it, she was hooked...
>
>I am dyslexic, ADHD and ambidextrous.. so folding is the one thing that
>doesn't bore me. My mind is in constant flow of shapes and angles, but forget
>math! If I physically _see a shape, I can copy it, but read directions is a
>no go.
>[Goveia, William P]
>I learned to read at about 3 or 4 years old.  I do not remember anything in
>my life before I could read.  I cannot imagine having a condition that would
>cause reading to become a challenge...it'd be awful (for me anyway, have you
>learned to adapt?)...
>
>Gadl to read your intro!
>Rachael





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:44:35 -0400 (AST)
From: "Goveia, William P" <wgoveia@indiana.edu>
Subject: RE: Enterprise Mark

The starship diagrams can be found at:
ftp://ftp.rug.nl/origami/models.bin/.menu.html

Good luck!
Bill

>-----Original Message-----
>From:  Philip Brown [SMTP:philip.brown@xtra.co.nz]
>Sent:  Wednesday, February 26, 1997 3:35 AM
>To:    Multiple recipients of list
>Subject:       Enterprise Mark
>
>I lost my email messages after reading your message as to where to get a
>copy of your Starship Enterprise model.   Any chance you could leave the
>email address again please?   Mucho thanks
>
>Philip





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 10:43:29 -0400 (AST)
From: Frederick.R.Reiss@Dartmouth.EDU (Frederick R. Reiss)
Subject: Re: PostScript EPS 3.0

--- You wrote:
Some one gave me a EPS file with diagrams, but I couldn't print/view it.
The file is created via Corel Draw 6.0 and exported to a ADOBE A1
ILLUSTRATOR.EPS file version 3.0.

Anybody who knows how to print this?
--- end of quoted material ---
     The easiest way to print an EPS file is to import the file into a
page-layout or word-processing program and to print to a PostScript printer
from there.  Also, if you can find a Macintosh, there are two programs,
EPStoPICT and epsConverter, available at the Info-Mac Hyperarchive
(http://hyperarchive.lcs.mit.edu/HyperArchive.html).  These programs should let
you convert an EPS file into something more useable.
     I'm not completely sure, but I think that Ghostview can open most EPS
files, too.  Anyone out there know about this?
                                                                       -Fred





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:29:01 -0400 (AST)
From: "S.W. Nelson" <sn5@earthlink.net>
Subject: Another Intro..to:Shi-Yew Chen

>>My 3 1/2 year old daughter sang "Daddy on the bus goes Fold FOLD Fold
Fold Fold ..."!<<

Ah! perhaps she'll become an origamist and musician! Composing
Origami music for folders!

Can anyone fold _and listen to music at the same time??? I've never
considered this until now. Interesting thought.

Rachael //*2*\\





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:28:28 -0400 (AST)
From: "S.W. Nelson" <sn5@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE:Intro..to: Bill

>[Goveia, William P]
>How old is she?  I vividly remember the day my daughter first "noticed" my
>folding.  It had to do with a model of a kitty cat (without a doubt, her
>favorite animal)...Once she tried it, she was hooked...<<

My daughter is 18. Her niche is music and reading, plays 3 instruments,
but immoveable when reading & Irish history.(g)
Cats are our favorite too. Both of them love origami! I make icosaehdrons and
     put tiny bells inside.

>[Goveia, William P] Is that an obsession?  ;-)<<

Some have told me, I'm "obsessed" with folding. If it is an obsession,
it's doesn't interfer with my life-style and besides, it's a fun one!

>[Goveia, William P]
>I cannot imagine having a condition that would
>cause reading to become a challenge...it'd be awful (for me anyway, have you
>learned to adapt?)...<<

Obviously I have.(g) The best I can that is. I hyper-focus and medication
helps to slow my hyperactivity. As a matter of fact, I use a sheet of origami
paper (when reading)to block out other sentences, which enable me to focus.
Using the computer helps, I can "space" one sentence from another, thus reading
only one sentence at a time. Then of course the dictionary is always close
by. I actually have a higher than average IQ, but tell my lfet hemisphere that!
My "right" proves otherwise!
Oh well, I think all people are many Complex Units!

Rachael





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:29:14 -0400 (AST)
From: "S.W. Nelson" <sn5@earthlink.net>
Subject: need advise

Can anyone tell me how to make my folds or creases
stay down? Many times a finished piece looks too
thick and doesn't retain it's shape.
Are they're tools I could be using to flatten?

Thanks in advance!
Rachael





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:57:38 -0400 (AST)
From: Holmes David EXC IS CH <holmes@chbs.ciba.com>
Subject: Folding to music (was RE: Another Intro..to:Shi-Yew Chen)

> Can anyone fold _and listen to music at the same time??? I've never
> considered this until now. Interesting thought.
>
> Rachael //*2*\\

I created something while listening to the new Patti Rothberg album.
IMO, listening to music seems to distract the mind, so the fingers can
manipulate the paper independently, achieving some wonderful things 8^)

Dave

--
David M Holmes              |          Novartis, Inc.
david.holmes@bigfoot.com    |    holmes@chbs.ciba.com
----------------------------+------------------------
Dave's Origami - http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2162/





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:26:48 -0400 (AST)
From: Michael Greenberg <mlg@scr.siemens.com>
Subject: What kind of paper to use for wet folding?

No doubt this has come up before...

What types of paper do you recommend for wet folding?

Thanks,

Michael Greenberg                      email: mgreenberg@scr.siemens.com
Siemens Corporate Research             phone: 609-734-3347
755 College Road East                  fax: 609-734-6565
Princeton, NJ 08540





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:30:12 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: origami (?) sighting

I just saw the movie "Big Night" yesterday.  It's an independent film,
and may not be showing in many places and I suspect it's near the end
of its run.  It's about two brothers, Italian immigrants, trying to
make a go of a gourmet Italian restaurant in New York or New Jersey
(it's not clear) sometime in the 50's, and failing because their
customers don't understand risotto.  It's somewhat tragic, but they
food they prepare is utterly gorgeous.  Don't go on an empty stomach.

Anyway, near the end of the movie, they're having a big, fancy dinner
party, and there is a very brief scene where they have all folded
something out of paper napkins or tissue paper which they light on
fire at the tip.  As the object is consumed by flames it flies up in
the air!  Does anyone know what this is, or how to make it?

        -- Jeannine Mosely





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:59:49 -0400 (AST)
From: Holmes David EXC IS CH <holmes@chbs.ciba.com>
Subject: RE: origami (?) sighting

> Anyway, near the end of the movie, they're having a big, fancy dinner
> party, and there is a very brief scene where they have all folded
> something out of paper napkins or tissue paper which they light on
> fire at the tip.  As the object is consumed by flames it flies up in
> the air!  Does anyone know what this is, or how to make it?
>
>       -- Jeannine Mosely

Intriguing!  I'd certainly like to know more.  Does it get consumed
entirely, ie. it appears to 'disappear' into thin air?

Dave, the pyromaniac 8^)

--
David M Holmes              |          Novartis, Inc.
david.holmes@bigfoot.com    |    holmes@chbs.ciba.com
----------------------------+------------------------
Dave's Origami - http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2162/





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 13:40:59 -0400 (AST)
From: Alasdair Post-Quinn <alasdair@staff.feldberg.brandeis.edu>
Subject: Re: origami (?) sighting

At 12:30 PM 2/26/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Anyway, near the end of the movie, they're having a big, fancy dinner
>party, and there is a very brief scene where they have all folded
>something out of paper napkins or tissue paper which they light on
>fire at the tip.  As the object is consumed by flames it flies up in
>the air!  Does anyone know what this is, or how to make it?

Hmm. I used to make those in grade school. there may be more than one way
it) and rolled it into a tube. We'd tape the ends of the paper together so
it'd stay in its shape, or we'd just lick it so it'd stick. the tube would
then stand on one end on the table (preferably on a table that wasn't
flammable, or a picnic table, or something) and we'd light the top. as the
flame ran down the tube, it would (presumably) create pressure in the
unburnt part and lift off like a rocket. Midway to the ceiling, it would
disappear entirely, leaving only a few floating particles of black ash.

An interesting effect.

I would suggest doing this inside, or outside on a very calm day, since any
small gust of wind will knock over the tube.

Another paper trick is to take a piece of thick paper (posterboard or
something) and soak it first in water, then in alcohol (or maybe the other
way around, I don't remember). Once it's nicely soaked (but not so much
that it falls apart), hold it by one corner and lighr the other corner. The
paper will burn, but not burn. Flames will lick up the paper, but the paper
will not be harmed. Needless to say, it only works until all the water is
evaporated off by the heat, but for a while it's an odd effect.

Enjoy!

peace,
               _                ______  ______          _
    i feel as | | much like i  / _____)(_____ \   did  (_) yesterday
        _____ | |       _____ ( (____ aint   \ \ _____  _   ____
       (____ || |      (____ | \____ \  _    | |(____ || | / ___)
       / ___ || |_____ / ___ | _____) )| |  / / / ___ || || | as i do
       \_____||_______)\_____|(______/ | | / /  \_____||_||_| today.
  alasdair@staff.feldberg.brandeis.edu | |/ /itus
     www.middlebury.edu/~acpquinn      |   /





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 13:41:36 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Re: origami (?) sighting

Dave Holmes wrote:

   > Anyway, near the end of the movie, they're having a big, fancy dinner
   > party, and there is a very brief scene where they have all folded
   > something out of paper napkins or tissue paper which they light on
   > fire at the tip.  As the object is consumed by flames it flies up in
   > the air!  Does anyone know what this is, or how to make it?
   >
   >    -- Jeannine Mosely

   Intriguing!  I'd certainly like to know more.  Does it get consumed
   entirely, ie. it appears to 'disappear' into thin air?

   Dave, the pyromaniac 8^)

It disappeared completely.  It looked like it was basically a square
folded on the diagonal and then wrapped around in a tube with the two
sharp corners overlapping.  I don't know what held it together, and I
don't know what they were made of.  I thought, at first, it must be
paper napkins, but this was too nice a restaurant to use those.

I couldn't see any reason for it to fly the way it did, burning from
the top.  One of the hosts made some caution to a guest about the
correct way to light it, but I forget exactly what he said.  It can't
have been hard, though, because everyone at the table had one and they
all went soaring up.

        -- Jeannine Mosely





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:07:22 -0400 (AST)
From: Contractors Exchange <contract@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: need advise

At 11:29 AM 2/26/97 -0400, S.W. Nelson" <sn5@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Can anyone tell me how to make my folds or creases
>stay down? Many times a finished piece looks too
>thick and doesn't retain it's shape.
>Are they're tools I could be using to flatten?

When I use foil-backed papers, a hammer will work wonders. For other
papers, wet folding will do the trick (check out Nick Robinson's article at
the BOS website).

Marc





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:30:53 -0400 (AST)
From: Gonzalez Patrick <gonzalep@plgcn.umontreal.ca>
Subject: Re: PostScript EPS 3.0

Open he EPS file with any text editor.
Add the command

showpage

at the very end of the file then send the file directly
to the printer. This should work.

| Patrick Gonzalez                                   |
| Dpt de sciences economiques --- CIRANO             |
| Universite de Montreal gonzalep@plgcn.umontreal.ca |

On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Frederick R. Reiss wrote:

> --- You wrote:
> Some one gave me a EPS file with diagrams, but I couldn't print/view it.
> The file is created via Corel Draw 6.0 and exported to a ADOBE A1
> ILLUSTRATOR.EPS file version 3.0.
>
> Anybody who knows how to print this?





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:49:02 -0400 (AST)
From: Mark Gilchrist <mark@gilchrist.demon.co.uk>
Subject: RE: one standard....

Carmel Morris sez

>>> Shadows? EEK!
>>>
>>> Does Microsoft have an office on Z'ha'dum?
>>
>>Cool!  Someone else who watches the *best* SF show ever - Babylon 5
>>
>
>*Cool!* DITTO!
>
>check my site and you'll see I've been there...
>
>Carmelnova - creator of the origami pouchling.
>
>

I sez <worble, worble> I have always been there!

Mark

One standard to rule them all, one standard to find them,
One standard to bring them all, and in darkness bind them.
In the land of Microsoft, where Shadows lie.





Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 05:47:59 -0400 (AST)
From: Holmes David EXC IS CH <holmes@chbs.ciba.com>
Subject: RE: one standard....

> I want to know how to fold the Star furys!
>--
> Kim Best                            *******************************

Me too.  Is it diagrammed by any chance?

Dave

--
David M Holmes              |          Novartis, Inc.
david.holmes@bigfoot.com    |    holmes@chbs.ciba.com
----------------------------+------------------------
Dave's Origami - http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2162/





Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 05:46:15 -0400 (AST)
From: Holmes David EXC IS CH <holmes@chbs.ciba.com>
Subject: RE: need advise

> well, what works for me is the flat suface of my thumb nail.
>
> Seamas

Yep, this is my preferred method as well.  I also use the nail of my
index finger when running along a crease away from me.

Dave

--
David M Holmes              |          Novartis, Inc.
david.holmes@bigfoot.com    |    holmes@chbs.ciba.com
----------------------------+------------------------
Dave's Origami - http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2162/





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 23:06:28 -0400 (AST)
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: Wet Folding!

At 10:23 PM 2/26/97 -0400, "S.W. Nelson" <sn5@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Oh goody! I found Nick Robinsons page on wet folding.
>..linked with the Wu's origami page.
>
>wow, why didn't I think to look there before? duh

I forgot to mention that this article can be found in the pages of the
recent "The Paper" (OrigamiUSA's newsletter). Usefull for the few of you
who do not have web access, or find reading computer screen text to be an
eyesore.

Marc





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:45:31 -0400 (AST)
From: "Goveia, William P" <wgoveia@indiana.EDU>
Subject: OT: People as complex units (was RE: Intro..to: Bill)

Very truthful.  My wife is dyslexic (but without ADD), but is way above
average as well.   I have a supervisor who has some learning
disabilities, but can envision complex network structures in his head,
as well as being able to grasp the software implications, etc.  He
struggles, but he just put's out the extra effort and learns...On the
other hand, I have a "knack" or whatever you call it to just learn
things.

Like you said...Complex Units....;-D

--Bill

>paper (when reading)to block out other sentences, which enable me to focus.
>Using the computer helps, I can "space" one sentence from another, thus
>reading
>only one sentence at a time. Then of course the dictionary is always close
>by. I actually have a higher than average IQ, but tell my lfet hemisphere
>that!
>My "right" proves otherwise!
>Oh well, I think all people are many Complex Units!
>
>Rachael





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:45:33 -0400 (AST)
From: Jennifer Andre <JAndre@cfipro.COM>
Subject: Origami-ist Profiles - May I Jump In?

     Thank you, Friends, for a really interesting thread!  It's always nice
     to see what sorts of common denominators we Origami Artists share.
     Maybe some of this information can be put to good use when finding
     potential for capturing the attention of bored children (and bored
     adults) who might respond positively to "Origami Therapy" or some
     such.  Sorry this is so long!  Please erase now if you don't want to
     read further!!!

     - HOW LONG:  I've folded since I was 11 (I'm "20-11" now).

     - EXISTING CONDITIONS:  I've never been assessed for dyslexia, but I
     think I'm not in those ranks.  (Now, about my typing...)

     - THIS "ADD" THING:  I know very little, really, about ADD.  I do
     believe that the term is overused on perfectly normal little souls
     (and big ones, too) who just don't learn like the majority of the
     compliant crowd, and thus become bored easily.  Maybe I'm an ADD
     sufferer...maybe I can get a special grant from the US
     government...nah!  (Will someone please explain ADD to me, so I can
     see if I do qualify to introduce myself as an ADD person?  Private
     address included toward the end of this message!)

     - WHERE I FOLD:  I fold in front of the TV.  (Says a lot about most of
     what's on, eh?)  Music works, too.  Mostly, I'm not thrown off by
     multiple stimuli.  I fold in meetings, too, when it's not disruptive.
     I don't fold on the bus.  I like to spread all the stuff out on a
     table and go wild. :-)

     - OTHER STUFF:  I'm definitely no mathematician.  I'm an American
     English speaker (native to the US), and I have a "smattering"
     (comparatively little bits, here and there) of French, Japanese, and
     American Sign Language -- I can hold rudimentary conversations in all
     three, though I read French far better than I can construct sentences
     in it, anymore.  (Merci & Arigatoo-gozaimasu for the non-English
     postings!) I like worded instructions in origami books, but often I
     enjoy finding my own routes to matching the pictures.  I get a real
     thrill from going through Japanese origami books.  All this, and I
     still have a social life!

     Further questions?  Me-toos?  Information about this "ADD" phenomenon?
     Please send to:  jandre@cfipro.com

     Again, thank you for a fascinating thread!!!  Again, apologies for
     length.

     Jennifer
     Portland, Oregon, USA

     Fold it, ergo sum!





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:16:28 -0400 (AST)
From: Mark Gilchrist <mark@gilchrist.demon.co.UK>
Subject: Re: Tolkien & Origami (was Re: one standard....)

>On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Jerry D. Harris wrote:

>
>BTW, Maekawa-san calls it a "devil". Anyway, if I remember correctly, the
>Balrog description in tLotR mentions that it is large, winged, and is
>enveloped in flame

That's so easy!

Take a large piece of dark coloured paper...a match.....

No.  This is geeting too silly!

Mark

One standard to rule them all, one standard to find them,
One standard to bring them all, and in darkness bind them.
In the land of Microsoft, where Shadows lie.





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 18:01:24 -0400 (AST)
From: Jikko z <Jikkoz@ix.netcom.COM>
Subject: Re: need advise

S.W. Nelson wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me how to make my folds or creases
> stay down? Many times a finished piece looks too
> thick and doesn't retain it's shape.
> Are they're tools I could be using to flatten?
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Rachael

well, what works for me is the flat suface of my thumb nail.
The great thing is this burnisher is portable, always within reach and I
never loose it.   :^0   ......  Yet this could be problematic for finger
nail biters.
you can always use a spoon to burnish or even buy a burnisher at an arts
surply store.

Seamas





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 18:17:18 -0400 (AST)
From: Cathy Palmer-Lister <cathypl@generation.NET>
Subject: Re: spiders

At 08:29 AM 1997-02-26 -0400, you wrote:
>Someone may have mentioned it earlier, but there is also a spider diagramed
>in Origami animals by Hector Rojas, Sterling, ISBN 0-8069-8649-2
>

Thank you!  I will pass it on to Dominique.  I am looking forward to his Bab
5 display.

                                                                        Cathy





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 19:40:22 -0400 (AST)
From: fold4wet@juno.COM (Rosalind F Joyce)
Subject: Re: need advise

I know I'm prejudiced, but have you tried wet folding the uncooperative
paper?  I like folding lots of weird stuff, often wet, messy, and
impossible-looking.  End results are often very satisfying and stay
together like cement.  The tar paper and heavy, pebbled sandpapers were
a little rough.

Ros





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 21:37:01 -0400 (AST)
From: "S.W. Nelson" <sn5@earthlink.NET>
Subject: need advise

To squash my folds.. I can use my thumb nail(it's sore)..
a spoon is good(especially with ice-cream)..I liked the
hammer idea though (maybe not, my thumb is still sore).
If I use water, do I wet it after completion?(dumb question?)
I'll have to get another book, on wet folds maybe.

Paper that holds like cement reminds me of how I use to
pack! as in crystal glasses. I wrapped each glass in
bathroom tissue and sprayed it with water, then allow it
to dry. umm (I guess i'll dip the folds in water, )

Rachael(a bit dippy)





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 21:54:34 -0400 (AST)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.EDU>
Subject: Re: PostScript EPS 3.0

>Some one gave me a EPS file with diagrams, but I couldn't print/view it.
>The file is created via Corel Draw 6.0 and exported to a ADOBE A1
>ILLUSTRATOR.EPS file version 3.0.
>
>Anybody who knows how to print this?
>
>I think I need a kind of preamble and postamble for this.
>I've got these for EPS version 1.0, but they don't work for version 3.0.
>
>
>Maarten van Gelder,           Rekencentrum RuG,  RijksUniversiteit Groningen
>M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl                         Nederland

I think that most drawing progams can handle eps.  Adobe, I believe has a
program called Sendps, which may be downloadable from Adobe.com, which can
read or print eps.  I don't know if this is of help to ou or not.  James M.
Sakoda





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 20:51:57 -0400 (AST)
From: cmorris@geko.net.AU (Carmel Morris)
Subject: RE: one standard....

>I sez <worble, worble> I have always been there!

Gosh it's Kosh! Anyone thought of doing an origami Vorlon?
(in his suit and out of it - you'll need several pieces of paper
for the various races!).

Carmel.

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 21:43:46 -0400 (AST)
From: Kim Best <kim.best@m.cc.utah.EDU>
Subject: Re: one standard....

Carmel Morris wrote:
>
> >I sez <worble, worble> I have always been there!
>
> Gosh it's Kosh! Anyone thought of doing an origami Vorlon?
> (in his suit and out of it - you'll need several pieces of paper
> for the various races!).
>

As I recall Kosh, outside his suit, looked pretty much like a piece
paper anyway.  And how are we supposed to know what the other races
saw!  Any Narn folders out there?

I want to know how to fold the Star furys!
--
Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    * Looking forward to the book:*
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Babylon 5 in Origami        *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * real soon!                  *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 19:38:10 -0400 (AST)
From: fold4wet@juno.COM (Rosalind F Joyce)
Subject: Re: origami (?) sighting

The paper we used along time ago was thin wrappers from imported cookies.
 When rolled into a cone shape and set on fire, they set up a quick
convection current sometimes.  Same did not occur with origami models.
Cookies were good, though.  Ros





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 22:23:08 -0400 (AST)
From: "S.W. Nelson" <sn5@earthlink.NET>
Subject: Wet Folding!

Oh goody! I found Nick Robinsons page on wet folding.
..linked with the Wu's origami page.

wow, why didn't I think to look there before? duh

Rachael





Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 18:42:25 -0400 (AST)
From: Kimberly Crane <kcrane@kimscrane.COM>
Subject: Re: Another Intro..to: Bill

Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) wrote:
>
> At 08:10 PM 2/25/97 -0400, Rachael wrote:
>
> >I love to hear why people fold. Is is love or obsession, exercise for
> >dexterity or for the mind? who cares! (smile)
> >It's important to involve children and the world needs more dads like you!
> >
>
> My 3 1/2 year old daughter sang "Daddy on the bus goes Fold FOLD Fold
> Fold Fold ..."!
>
> |------------------------------------------------------\
> |  _     Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) <chens@asme.org>     |\
> | |_| Folding http://www.erols.com/sychen1/pprfld.html --\
> |---------------------------------------------------------|
Sy:

Your daughter is a great folder for her young age. Maybe you should
display a few of her models at the convention.  Sure they may not yet be
to the standard of Joseph Wu's, but I'm am sure they will touch many a
heart!

Sincerely,
Kimberly





Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 03:55:01 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Spaceships and Snowflakes

On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:

=And, is there anything that hasn`t been folded yet?
=Ive seen animals, furniture, plants, vehicles, and now even spaceships.
=How about snowflakes? Has anybody ever folded a snowflake? It would look
=beautiful, I think.

Many snowflake designs have been invented. Yoshizawa has some designs, and Dr.
Suzuki of Japan has created a cataloguing system for the numerous snowflakes
he has designed. Recently, I designed over 30 different snowflakes (probably
some or all were duplicates of ones that others have done) in attempt to find
a relatively easy but pleasing design for the cover of Imagiro (an amateur
press alliance, or "zine", about origami). I diagrammed the one that was
finally chosen. I'm going to add it to my web page now (it's in Postscript
format). Take a look under "Postscript diagrams" in the "Files & Diagrams"
section of  my site.

 Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
> It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU
paint. There's More Than One Way To Do It.
> Have the appropriate amount of fun.    --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz
