




Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 14:57:49 -0400 (AST)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Re: Psychological profile

>I think he probably means 'spatial' not 'special'.

        There's an old joke by comedian Biff Rose that went "We have a word
in the South that is a cross between 'special' and 'spaced-out' -- it's
'spatial'" (said with a Southern drawl).  8-D

Jerry D. Harris                       (214) 768-2750
Dept. of Geological Sciences          FAX:  768-2701
Southern Methodist University
Box 750395                            jdharris@post.smu.edu
Dallas  TX  75275-0395                (Compuserve:  102354,2222)

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                   /    o   (        '----'  __/  \_/ (____/   \
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                         VVVVVVVVV                   \_/  ___  '^-'___
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                     AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA--- .      o          -o---'  /





Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 14:53:44 -0400 (AST)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: Psychological profile

>Wayne Ko wrote:
> You know you've
>becomed an origami-freak if _______ (may make an interesting topic of
>discussion).

- you are reading here, and have no intention to unsubscribe the list at
all.....

Roberto





Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 15:17:45 -0400 (AST)
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: Psychological profile (gender digression)

Just a comment about this fairly commonly-referenced gender difference:

>"...evidence of difference between the sexes in the degree of
>lateralization of visual-spacial functions-it's greater in males-and now
>this evidence of specific right-brain mechanisms in mathematics, you can
>see how eventually we might answer some of the questions about why males
>are so overrepresented in the "tail of the distribution" for math
>abilities.  We're talking here not about the average engineering student
>sweating his or her way through advance calculus, but about those
>extremely gifted in mathematics, regardless of schooling or environmental
>emphasis, most of whom are male.  And more are left handed, allergic, and
>dyslexic than you'd normally expect.

A closer examination of most, if not all, of these gender difference tests
reveals them to be gender biased in and of themselves.  That is, the spatial
(spelled with a 't' in American English, BTW) abilities which are exhibited
by those socialized as women and girls simply don't count as spatial
abilities in these tests.  Now, it tends to be true that males are
over-represented in professional groups concerned with math and science, but
this has everything to do with what society tells females is "proper" for
them to do and nothing at all to do with innate abilities.  The within-group
variation is greater than the between-group variation.

Carol Hall
chall@scsn.net





Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 15:51:03 -0400 (AST)
From: Allen Parry <parry@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: Psychological profile

On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Jeannine Mosely wrote:

> Please don't give quotes of this kind unattributed.  We have a right
> to know whose theory this is.  Also, your quote marks are unbalanced
> -- I can't tell where your textbook leaves off and you begin.

        Sorry...finger missed the t-t-t-t-t.  (a few extra to make up for
        the one I dropped)  8->

        The book I quoted was written by William Calvin and George
        Ojemann, Neuorosurgeons at the University of Washington.  The
        book is titled "Conversations with Neil's Brain". (The title
        comes from surgery of a epileptic and descriptions of mapping
        the functions of various sections of his brain.  Realize that
        brain surgery doesn't require anesthesia and the patient is awake
        during the surgery.  A very interesting book.)  The quote is
        found on page 72.

        To respond to when the quote starts and stops.....the quote is
        contained in the one paragraph.

        Anyway....I wouldn't take it too seriously.  I was noting the
        coincidence of left-handedness and the quote's humorous (but
        serious) addition of allergic and dyslexic.  Hey....maybe dropping
        a 't' in one's e-mail is a sign of dyslexia.  ;^p

        Have fun with it!

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 18:44:47 -0400 (AST)
From: Lisa.Hodsdon/McDougal/hmco@Owl.nstn.ca
Subject: Re: Origami-L: re Psychological profile

Doug Phillips in reply to Linda Theil's comments about origami-l said:

>I don't have the numbers, but it feels to me like
>this list has a larger than usual lurker contingent.

The list currently has 494 subscribers, and you have a pretty good idea
of how many contribute (a guess: 100). I can't comment on whether this
is a "larger than usual lurker contingent" but it *is* a lot of lurkers.

Hey lurkers! How you doing out there?

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com
Boston, MA

Send a message to listserver@nstn.ca with the one-line message
review origami-l
The list you get in return is pretty interesting.





Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 19:42:11 -0400 (AST)
From: "ROSANNA M. FLICKINGER" <as365@traverse.lib.mi.us>
Subject: Re: Origami-L: re Psychological profile

On Thu, 20 Feb 1997 Lisa.Hodsdon/McDougal/hmco@Owl.nstn.ca wrote:

> Doug Phillips in reply to Linda Theil's comments about origami-l said:
>
> >I don't have the numbers, but it feels to me like
> >this list has a larger than usual lurker contingent.
>
> The list currently has 494 subscribers, and you have a pretty good idea
> of how many contribute (a guess: 100). I can't comment on whether this
> is a "larger than usual lurker contingent" but it *is* a lot of lurkers.
>
> Hey lurkers! How you doing out there?
>
> Lisa
> Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com
> Boston, MA
>
> Send a message to listserver@nstn.ca with the one-line message
> review origami-l
> The list you get in return is pretty interesting.
>
 Ican't pretend to speak for all lurkers (after all I have even posted
messages once or twice), but I"m happy just to read tidbits here and
there, mostly when a thread intrigues me and sometimes just to absorb
some knowledge...I especially enjoy *origami sightings* and *how I got
started* BTW I'm left-handed, allergy prone, & not dyslexic...when I was
a kid they called it lazy....8-(....on that note, I"m off to lurk
again...> >





Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 20:22:11 -0400 (AST)
From: limblab@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu (Valerie Ngo-Muller)
Subject: Re: Origami-L: re Psychological profile

>Doug Phillips in reply to Linda Theil's comments about origami-l said:
>
>>I don't have the numbers, but it feels to me like
>>this list has a larger than usual lurker contingent.
>
>The list currently has 494 subscribers, and you have a pretty good idea
>of how many contribute (a guess: 100). I can't comment on whether this
>is a "larger than usual lurker contingent" but it *is* a lot of lurkers.
>
>Hey lurkers! How you doing out there?
>

Sometimes people are shy, or they don't think they have anything
interesting to share for the moment... I am one of them, but I enjoy
reading all your messages!

For the statistics, I am ambidextre (there is a mistake in this word for
sure, for it is the french spelling!), I am a scientist, I am sometimes
dislexic, and what I love the most in origami is the 3D dimension, and the
fact that you can exert anywhere, with a material that is easy to carry and
to find. I'll try to find something really interesting to say later!

Valerie Ngo-Muller, Ph. D.
Dept. of Cell and Molecular Biology
Tulane University
2000 Percival Stern Hall
New Orleans, LA 70118-5698   USA

Ph. (504) 862-3163
Fax (504) 865-6785





Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 20:57:24 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: [NO] Re: Psychological profile (gender digression)

On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Carol Hall wrote:

=A closer examination of most, if not all, of these gender difference tests
=reveals them to be gender biased in and of themselves.  That is, the spatial
=(spelled with a 't' in American English, BTW) abilities which are exhibited
=by those socialized as women and girls simply don't count as spatial
=abilities in these tests.  Now, it tends to be true that males are
=over-represented in professional groups concerned with math and science, but
=this has everything to do with what society tells females is "proper" for
=them to do and nothing at all to do with innate abilities.  The within-group
=variation is greater than the between-group variation.

Well, "proof" of such things is always difficult, if not impossible. Psych
studies always speak of correlations, as opposed to cause-and-effect. Back
when I was studying biopsychology (or psychobiology, or neuro-biology, or...)
in 1990-1992, the then current research indicated that the correlation between
math/spatial ability to gender was only peripheral. A much stronger
correlation was found with when puberty started. I.e., "early bloomers"
exhibited weaker math/spatial abilities than "late bloomers". Since girls tend
to reach puberty sooner than boys, it looks like a gender difference. But
"early bloomer" boys tended to have weaker math/spatial abilities than "late
bloomer" boys, and vice versa for the girls. No, I don't have sources for this
info. It was a while ago, and I have since switch from psych to computer
science. Also, my psych books are all back in Canada... 8)

          Joseph Wu           It's your privilege as an artist to inflict
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   the pain of creativity on yourself. We can
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami you how YOU paint. There's More Than One Way
 Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.   To Do It. Have the appropriate amount of fun.
    http://www.datt.co.jp                 --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 22:06:34 -0400 (AST)
From: Edward Crankshaw <ejcranks@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Origami History

------------79832CF9F701

Greetings,

Could the person collecting "how I got into origami" stories please
contact me at:
ejcranks@hiwaay.net

Thank you,

Edward Crankshaw

------------79832CF9F701

<HTML><BODY>

<DT>Greetings,</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>Could the person collecting &quot;how I got into origami&quot; stories
please contact me at:</DT>

<DT>ejcranks@hiwaay.net</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>Thank you,</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>Edward Crankshaw</DT>

</BODY>
</HTML>
------------79832CF9F701--





Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 22:19:14 -0400 (AST)
From: Edward Crankshaw <ejcranks@hiwaay.net>
Subject: PDF info

------------FC51D1D48742

Greetings,

I am currently working on a non-origami related project utilizing
Acrobat. File size is dependent on how diagrams are created. If someone
creates a bitmapped image for their folds like GIFs and turns them into
PDF, the files will be larger than if postscript files are generated.
They are basically text files of vector images which direct the printer
to create the required image, more or less, and can be compressed
smaller than a bitmapped images. Other factors include complexity, size
and resolutions, whether thumbnails have been created within the PDF,
etc.

I am willing to convert files for people to PDF on a trial basis (you-me
and me-you). For example, I recently took a postscript file of 29.5KB
and the resulting PDF was 6.31KB. Please contact me if you have any
questions.

Edward Cranskhaw

ejcranks@hiwaay.net

------------FC51D1D48742

<HTML><BODY>

<DT>Greetings,</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>I am currently working on a non-origami related project utilizing Acrobat.
File size is dependent on how diagrams are created. If someone creates
a bitmapped image for their folds like GIFs and turns them into PDF, the
files will be larger than if postscript files are generated. They are
     basically&nbsp;text
files of vector images which direct the printer to create the required
image, more or less, and can be compressed smaller than a bitmapped images.
Other factors include complexity, size and resolutions, whether thumbnails
have been created within the PDF, etc.</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>I am willing to convert files for people to PDF on a trial basis (you-me
and me-you). For example, I recently took a postscript file of 29.5KB and
the resulting PDF was 6.31KB. Please contact me if you have any questions.</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>Edward Cranskhaw</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>ejcranks@hiwaay.net</DT>

</BODY>
</HTML>
------------FC51D1D48742--





Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 23:17:59 -0400 (AST)
From: acc-a@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk
Subject: Origami Project

If anyone is interested my third year project is to write
an interactive origami simulation on a workstation.

its written in OpenGl and runs ontop of X11 (so you need
OpenGL on you pc and either linux or port the code yourself)

Its only semi complete at the moment but anyone who wants
to download the binary at its current stage can do so from
my (very crap) homepage!

Alex the Spod

http://www.york.ac.uk/~acc101





Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 23:37:52 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Origami Project

On Thu, 20 Feb 1997 acc-a@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk wrote:

=If anyone is interested my third year project is to write
=an interactive origami simulation on a workstation.
=
=its written in OpenGl and runs ontop of X11 (so you need
=OpenGL on you pc and either linux or port the code yourself)
=
=Its only semi complete at the moment but anyone who wants
=to download the binary at its current stage can do so from
=my (very crap) homepage!
=
=Alex the Spod
=
=http://www.york.ac.uk/~acc101

Well, I don't have access to anything that will do OpenGL at the moment, but I
thought I'd take a look. Interesting that you put up the wrong URL for your
page! The correct URL is
<http://atlas.cs.york.ac.uk:8000/users/acc-a/Welcome.html>

Anyway, I was wondering, what machine is that binary compiled for?

          Joseph Wu           It's your privilege as an artist to inflict
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   the pain of creativity on yourself. We can
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami you how YOU paint. There's More Than One Way
 Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.   To Do It. Have the appropriate amount of fun.
    http://www.datt.co.jp                 --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 01:06:19 -0400 (AST)
From: JMontroll@aol.com
Subject: Allergic profile

Hey, if I szeene, you wlil know I have allegries but how can you tlel if I'm
? dyslexic

John Montroll





Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 01:51:08 -0400 (AST)
From: Jikko z <Jikkoz@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: paper airplanes

Hello All,

I'm new to this list, yet I've enjoyed folding stuff most of my life.
One of my folding favorites are airplanes that fly !
Not the regular darts etc. , but the bit more complicated stunt flying
type etc.  These I find hard to find in books.  Are their more to be
found?  Is there a limit too the possibilities?  Can any one help?  Any
suggestions?

( is the above a profile of an origamiac ? )   ;-0

The single crease method sounds facinating.  The possibilities? ;-)

Thanx to all
keep folding strait!
keep the curves curved!

Seamas O'Brien





Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 01:54:28 -0400 (AST)
From: Bryan Feir <jenora@istar.ca>
Subject: Re: Psychological profile

On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Allen Parry wrote:

> A more serious response.....there is something different about folders!

   Hmmm...  well, among all this, I certainly qualify for the math
part (member of the Canadian team for the International Math Olympiad),
but I'm not left-handed, nor dyslexic, and what allergies I do have are
ones shared by 90% of the populace.

   With regards to such statements of correlations in general, I agree
that the variation between groups is almost always completely swamped by
the variation within a group.

   And with regards to lurkers, well, I'm usually one... have posted here
before, but didn't recently because of some problems with my mailer at
work.  Now have managed to get signed up from home, and things seem to be
going fine...

---------------------------+---------------------------------------------------
Bryan Feir           VA3GBF|"I am a great believer in luck, and I find that the
bryan@sgl.ists.ca          | harder I work, the more I have of it."
jenora@istar.ca            |                          -- Stephen Leacock





Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 05:25:16 -0400 (AST)
From: Wayne Ko <Herman_Ko@mindlink.bc.ca>
Subject: Issei Yoshino info wanted

I finally completed my trial run at Issei Yoshino's triceratops skeleton
(wow - quite a model).  The strange thing is, every time I look at the
model, I get this haunting image of his face from the book flashing in my
mind.  I think someone did mentioned his passing on this list some time
back, but I don't recall any personal info on Issei (if there was, I didn't
know who he was back then and probably missed the messages).  I'd like to
get a feeling of what Issei was like and his general background so I can
connect the face to a personality.  Any info will be greatly appreciated.

On a less serious note, I'm now practicing writing with my left hand in the
hopes that I will become a better folder.

Wayne





Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:49:37 -0400 (AST)
From: JESPER LARSEN <940094@udd.aalsem.dk>
Subject: Superior beings

I do think that there's something special about folders. I believe that
we are quite intelligent. What do you think?
Furthermore I'm convinced that we all have some very special skills
besides the folding. How about the social question? Are we easy/hard (or
perhaps wonderful) to live with?





Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:55:53 -0400 (AST)
From: acc-a@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Origami Project

>
> On Thu, 20 Feb 1997 acc-a@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk wrote:
>
> =If anyone is interested my third year project is to write
> =an interactive origami simulation on a workstation.
> =
> =its written in OpenGl and runs ontop of X11 (so you need
> =OpenGL on you pc and either linux or port the code yourself)
> =
> =Its only semi complete at the moment but anyone who wants
> =to download the binary at its current stage can do so from
> =my (very crap) homepage!
> =
> =Alex the Spod
> =
> =http://www.york.ac.uk/~acc101
>
> Well, I don't have access to anything that will do OpenGL at the moment, but I
> thought I'd take a look. Interesting that you put up the wrong URL for your
> page! The correct URL is
> <http://atlas.cs.york.ac.uk:8000/users/acc-a/Welcome.html>

I gave you that one so that if the atlas web server has crash (as I run it)
you could restart it!

Alex

>
> Anyway, I was wondering, what machine is that binary compiled for?
>
>           Joseph Wu           It's your privilege as an artist to inflict
>   origami@planet.datt.co.jp   the pain of creativity on yourself. We can
>  Webmaster, the Origami Page  teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach
> http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami you how YOU paint. There's More Than One Way
>  Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.   To Do It. Have the appropriate amount of fun.
>     http://www.datt.co.jp                 --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:11:35 -0400 (AST)
From: Bill McFarland <billmcfa@clark.net>
Subject: Re: paper airplanes

> Hello All,
>
> I'm new to this list, yet I've enjoyed folding stuff most of my life.
> One of my folding favorites are airplanes that fly !

My son just got "How to Make Origami Airplanes That Fly" by Gery Hsu,
published by Dover (so inexpensive)  It has 12 models and is quite
good.  The ISBN number is 0-486-27352-0.  We also have "Instant Paper
Airplanes" by E. Richard Churchill, published by Sterling, ISBN
0-8069-6796-X.  There are more like your classic paper airplanes.

Hope this helps,
Bill
+==========================================================================+
| Bill McFarland            || A moment of thought would have shown him he |
| billmcfa@clark.net        || was wrong -- But a moment is a long time    |
| 38 50' 20" N 77 25' 40" W || and thought is a hard thing.                |
+==========================================================================+

see http://www.clark.net/pub/billmcfa for public key





Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:05:12 -0400 (AST)
From: acc-a@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Alien hand

>
> Jerry D. Harris wrote:
>
>  I'm not either.  I'm not even ambidextrous, or remotely so! In
> fact, it seems that my left arm just kind of hangs around to give my
> body symmetry and to occasionally assist in holding or carrying
> things.  It can type and play piano, but other than that, it's a
> pretty useless appendage. What?  Yeah, that's right, Left Arm, I'm
> talking to you!  What are you gonna do about it?!???  I -- hey!  Stop
> that!  Let go of my neck!!  Urrrghh -- gaaacckkkkk --
> chchchchchch----  (thud)
>
> Looks like we have a case of "Alien hand syndrome" ;-)

I have gained quite a good level of ambidexterity as a side result of
practicing karate ... anyone else find this ? (or from practicing
any other martial art ?)

Alex





Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:14:57 -0400 (AST)
From: Douglas Zander <dzander@solaria.sol.net>
Subject: ambidexterity

>
> I have gained quite a good level of ambidexterity as a side result of
> practicing karate ... anyone else find this ? (or from practicing
> any other martial art ?)
>
> Alex
>
>

 I gained some from learning magic and escape artistry; I can manipulate
 magic balls in both hands and knowing how to pick a lock with either
 hand is a plus when you're hanging upside-down :-)

--
 Douglas Zander                | many things interest me, too many to list
 dzander@solaria.sol.net       | here.  if you want a profile :-)  why not
 Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA     | send me a letter?  tell me about yourself,
 "Over-looking Lake Michigan." | I'll tell you about myself.





Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:33:45 -0400 (AST)
From: JESPER LARSEN <940094@udd.aalsem.dk>
Subject: Left or right hand?

I am right handed, but I must admit that I do have a certain control
over my left hand. I can draw (and well too) with my right hand ...
but I can draw almost just as well with my left hand. I have to spend
a little more time and be more concentrated when doing so, but it
works. Perhaps this ability runs in the family? My mother can write
with both hands at the same time!





Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:34:19 -0400 (AST)
From: JESPER LARSEN <940094@udd.aalsem.dk>
Subject: Alien hand

Jerry D. Harris wrote:

 I'm not either.  I'm not even ambidextrous, or remotely so! In
fact, it seems that my left arm just kind of hangs around to give my
body symmetry and to occasionally assist in holding or carrying
things.  It can type and play piano, but other than that, it's a
pretty useless appendage. What?  Yeah, that's right, Left Arm, I'm
talking to you!  What are you gonna do about it?!???  I -- hey!  Stop
that!  Let go of my neck!!  Urrrghh -- gaaacckkkkk --
chchchchchch----  (thud)

Looks like we have a case of "Alien hand syndrome" ;-)





Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 10:05:52 -0400 (AST)
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: Origami Project

Alex,

(Sigh)  You did not answer Joseph Wu's important question :

> > Anyway, I was wondering, what machine is that binary compiled for?

Binary compiled on one type of machine will not normally run on another.
For example, is it worth my while to download and try to run this program
on an SGI Indy?

                                       .... Mark

--
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|          e-mail: casida@chimcn.umontreal.ca           |





Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 12:28:35 -0400 (AST)
From: Joshua Kronengold <mneme@dorsai.dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: Superior beings

JESPER LARSEN writes:
>I do think that there's something special about folders. I believe that
>we are quite intelligent. What do you think?
>Furthermore I'm convinced that we all have some very special skills
>besides the folding. How about the social question? Are we easy/hard (or
>perhaps wonderful) to live with?
As a member of several subgroups (fandom, gamers, paganism, folding,
SCA), all of which (aside from folding, until now) have members who
claim that the members are more inteligent/creative/whateverthan the
norm, I'm finding this whole conversation rather silly ---
Folders are not Slans.

--
mneme@dorsai.org        Josh Kronengold                     |\      _,,,--,,_
     ,)
  ^     "Unix is easy.  Just like a cross between /,`.-'`'   -,  ;-;;'
 /\\     English and Welsh.  Except that you have to   |,4-  ) )-,_ ) /\
/-\\\    take out all the vowels"  -- Me        '---''(_/--' (_/-'





Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 12:32:27 -0400 (AST)
From: acc-a@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Origami Project

>
> Alex,
>
> (Sigh)  You did not answer Joseph Wu's important question :
>
> > > Anyway, I was wondering, what machine is that binary compiled for?
>
> Binary compiled on one type of machine will not normally run on another.
> For example, is it worth my while to download and try to run this program
> on an SGI Indy?

Not sure if you saw my second post but its for IRIX 5.3 (ie mips
processor), if there are people out there on say suns running X
then I might make the source available so you can compile it
yourself (if you ask nicely *grin*)

Alex

>
>                                        .... Mark
>
> --
> *-------------------------------------------------------*
> |          Mark E. Casida                               |
> |          e-mail: casida@chimcn.umontreal.ca           |





Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 13:07:28 -0400 (AST)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: PDF info

>------------FC51D1D48742
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Greetings,
>
>I am currently working on a non-origami related project utilizing
>Acrobat. File size is dependent on how diagrams are created. If someone
>creates a bitmapped image for their folds like GIFs and turns them into
>PDF, the files will be larger than if postscript files are generated.
>They are basically text files of vector images which direct the printer
>to create the required image, more or less, and can be compressed
>smaller than a bitmapped images. Other factors include complexity, size
>and resolutions, whether thumbnails have been created within the PDF,
>etc.
>
>I am willing to convert files for people to PDF on a trial basis (you-me
>and me-you). For example, I recently took a postscript file of 29.5KB
>and the resulting PDF was 6.31KB. Please contact me if you have any
>questions.
>
>Edward Cranskhaw
>
>ejcranks@hiwaay.net
>
>------------FC51D1D48742
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
>
><HTML><BODY>
>
><DT>Greetings,</DT>
>
><DT>&nbsp;</DT>
>
><DT>I am currently working on a non-origami related project utilizing Acrobat.
>File size is dependent on how diagrams are created. If someone creates
>a bitmapped image for their folds like GIFs and turns them into PDF, the
>files will be larger than if postscript files are generated. They are
>basically&nbsp;text
>files of vector images which direct the printer to create the required
>image, more or less, and can be compressed smaller than a bitmapped images.
>Other factors include complexity, size and resolutions, whether thumbnails
>have been created within the PDF, etc.</DT>
>
><DT>&nbsp;</DT>
>
><DT>I am willing to convert files for people to PDF on a trial basis (you-me
>and me-you). For example, I recently took a postscript file of 29.5KB and
>the resulting PDF was 6.31KB. Please contact me if you have any
>questions.</DT>
>
><DT>&nbsp;</DT>
>
><DT>Edward Cranskhaw</DT>
>
><DT>&nbsp;</DT>
>
><DT>ejcranks@hiwaay.net</DT>
>
></BODY>
></HTML>
>------------FC51D1D48742--

The general idea in using pdf is first of all to avoid use of a scanner to
input images in dot form, but instead to use a drawing program which
employs vectors rather than dots.  What seems to be puzzling is that some
who have used vectors and converted to pdf have been getting files around
50k, while the ones that I have put up at   http://idt.net/~kittyv   run
around 17k, a factor difference of about 3.  You seem to be getting the
same of of result from the use of Acrobat.  Did you convert to Epsf and
input it into Adobe Distiller as I have done to get your pdf file?  Others
have been using other means, such as using Freehand 7, which inputs and
outputs in pdf form, but the file name does not contain the .pdf at the end
of the file name, as happens with Distiller's output.  Still others have
used less costly programs, sucg as  ghostscript.

      Adobe claims that its pdf files are small as a result of compression,
which would mean that the progam utilzes some kind of expansion at the time
program is opened and run.  The most reliable procedure appears to be to
use a drawing program which is capable of conversion to epsf form for input
into Adobe's Distiller, in the Acrobat 3.0 package.  This became available
at the end of the year and cost me $180 at one of the mail order houses.
This package included the Acrobat Reader 3.0, needed to read the pdf files,
which I received as a separate CD rom, which was itself in pdf form and
accupied only 2.3 mb, while others who have downloaded the reader from
Adobe' site and found it to be 8mb in size.  I assume that this difference
is due to the compression accomplished for pdf files or programs.  Since
these are cross platform files, Mac versions are presumably the same as the
IBM version.

     My question is, did you use the latest Distiller program to convert
the epsf file to pdf, and does the file name contain .pdf at the end?  If
the .pdf is not there Acrobat Reader 3 may not accept it.  There are at
least three problems here.  One is how can one produce line drawings using
vectors which can be converted to epsf.  The second is how can this be
converted to a compressed form of pdf file.  The third is how can one get
hold of the Acrobat Reader 3. in .pdf form    James M. Sakoda





Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 13:53:36 -0400 (AST)
From: "S.W. Nelson" <sn5@earthlink.net>
Subject: mythological creatures(help!)

To anyone who has mercy...
I'm not going to cry, but I'd like to.
I'll explain my problem and if anyone can help, I bow in respect,
and will bake you some cookies.(promise)

I don't know if I'm a beginner or intermediate. I've 7 books to my
collection of which all I've completed, but three. And the three
are John Montroll's. (I refuse to eat until I can do this)
The one in particular at the moment is from:
Mythological Creatures and the Chinese Zodiac, by: John Montoll
(I've seen Joseph Wu's work on the net(Hi!Joseph)..all I can say is,
I'm pale and a beginner)
Anyway, the problem is on page 34 of that book. I chose the Rabbit.
On illustration 23 - 24, seems like something is missing!! I can't get it!!
Is it me or the book? I need help!(before I starve)

sorry for my negativity,
Rachael Olivia N.





Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:51:16 -0400 (AST)
From: Pat Slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: Re: Psychological profile deja vu

Hey, I think this must be one of those annual topics!

I'm "somewhat ambidextrous" (right-handed, left-eye dominant), currently
MISERABLE with allergies, and I must humbly confess that I have an amazing
spatial sense. (I have a great reputation for scooping out just the right
amount of flour or beans from the bulk bins to fill the jars perfectly at
home. But I can't understand why I can't manage to win one of those "count
the jelly beans in the jar" contests :->!)

But really now, I think the chief personality trait behind my obsessive
folding is I seem to really enjoy handling paper. (And yarn too...but not
that nasty synthetic stuff!) It's a tactile thing, you know?

oh, and I never seem to get over the "That's from a single square?" sense of
awe. Still trying to figure out the big question: "How do they do that?"

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 17:50:43 -0400 (AST)
From: Frederick.R.Reiss@Dartmouth.EDU (Frederick R. Reiss)
Subject: Re: paper airplanes

--- You wrote:
I'm new to this list, yet I've enjoyed folding stuff most of my life.
One of my folding favorites are airplanes that fly !
Not the regular darts etc. , but the bit more complicated stunt flying
type etc.  These I find hard to find in books.  Are their more to be
found?  Is there a limit too the possibilities?  Can any one help?  Any
suggestions?
--- end of quoted material ---
I used to have something akin to an obsession with paper airplanes when I was
younger.  I wasn't terribly good at designing planes that flew that well, but I
did accumulate several books of diagrams.  My two favorite airplane books are
very likely long out of print, but I can provide you with the info anyway.
Perhaps you can find them through inter-library loan.

Jack Botermans' book _Paper Flight_ (1984, Holt Rinehart and Winston, ISBN
0-03-070506-1) contains dozens of innovative and quite aesthetically-pleasing
models; many of them fly very well, although some seem to stress form over
function.  The copyright date on my copy is 1984, so you may have some trouble
locating this one.

For more performance-oriented planes, you might want to look into _The Ultimate
Paper Airplane_, by Richard Kline (1985, Simon and Schuster, ISBN
0-671-55551-0).  There are only seven models in this book, but they all fly
amazingly well.

Keep in mind that most of the designs in those two books aren't terribly
"origamically pure," to make up a catch phrase on the fly; that is, many
require tape or glue, and some need a staple or a paper clip for weight.

Hope this helps.
                                                                    -Fred





Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 18:11:28 -0400 (AST)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: magic balls?

Douglas Zander <dzander@solaria.sol.net> sez

>I can manipulate
> magic balls in both hands

Most men can ;)

all the best,

Nick Robinson

personal email  nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
DART homepage   http://www.shef.ac.uk/uni/projects/oip/dart/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk





Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 18:24:13 -0400 (AST)
From: fold4wet@juno.com (Rosalind F Joyce)
Subject: Re: Psychological profile

Gee, that was fun (sniff, sniff).  Umm, we got lotsa (achoo) allergies,
southpaws, ambidexterity, various  dumped dyslexic categories (fidget)
(squirm), very interesting diagnostic test results, and I ain't tellin'
ya about the other stuff lurking (ha - running rampant) on the family
tree.  Fortunately, it's swallowed with a large grain of salt and
interpreted to whatever advantage for which I'm in the mood.  As long as
I appear really bright, talented, unique, and inclined to fold.

Anyway, there might be too many levels of origami pleasure to make
definitive profile analyses.

Duh, but I absolutely don't understand why anybody would waste napkins
and paper towels on wiping up food or spills.  RosJoyce





Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 19:23:56 -0400 (AST)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Psychological profile

RosJoyce wrote:
    Duh, but I absolutely don't understand why anybody would waste
    napkins and paper towels on wiping up food or spills.  RosJoyce

Well, lets just say it adds flavor to your wet-folding, perhaps spicing it
up some.  No sense crying over split milk! ;-)
-Doug





Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 20:31:30 -0400 (AST)
From: "S.W. Nelson" <sn5@earthlink.net>
Subject: Psychological file

***Duh, but I absolutely don't understand why anybody would waste napkins
and paper towels on wiping up food or spills.***

Pardon me,
True, but thankgoodness for toilet paper! And if that's used up...
there's always paper towels... that's serious folding.

(only jesting)
Rachael





Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 20:47:14 -0400 (AST)
From: CThackeray@aol.com
Subject: Re: paper airplanes

My favorite origami books are "Paper Flight" by Jack Botermans and "The
Gliding Flight" by John M. Collins. Both are terrific paper airplane books.

Clare
St. Louis, MO





Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 20:49:06 -0400 (AST)
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: mythological creatures(help!)

At 01:53 PM 2/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
>To anyone who has mercy...
>I'm not going to cry, but I'd like to.
>I'll explain my problem and if anyone can help, I bow in respect,
>and will bake you some cookies.(promise)
>
>I don't know if I'm a beginner or intermediate. I've 7 books to my
>collection of which all I've completed, but three. And the three
>are John Montroll's. (I refuse to eat until I can do this)
>The one in particular at the moment is from:
>Mythological Creatures and the Chinese Zodiac, by: John Montoll
>(I've seen Joseph Wu's work on the net(Hi!Joseph)..all I can say is,
>I'm pale and a beginner)
>Anyway, the problem is on page 34 of that book. I chose the Rabbit.
>On illustration 23 - 24, seems like something is missing!! I can't get it!!
>Is it me or the book? I need help!(before I starve)

I think I might have the answer you are looking for (and I would hate to
see you starve). The "turn over" symbol at step 22 is misleading, as most
people will turn over side to side from it. The next diagram (step 23)
really shows the model flipped from top to bottom. Perhaps this is the
source of your confusion. Other than that, the diagrams seem to be fine.
Also, folding on an empty stomach can lead to dizzyness, an consequently
confusion. Good luck!

Marc





Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 20:54:24 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: paper airplanes

On Fri, 21 Feb 1997, Bill McFarland wrote:

=> I'm new to this list, yet I've enjoyed folding stuff most of my life.
=> One of my folding favorites are airplanes that fly !
=
=My son just got "How to Make Origami Airplanes That Fly" by Gery Hsu,
=published by Dover (so inexpensive)  It has 12 models and is quite
=good.  The ISBN number is 0-486-27352-0.  We also have "Instant Paper
=Airplanes" by E. Richard Churchill, published by Sterling, ISBN
=0-8069-6796-X.  There are more like your classic paper airplanes.

I don't know the second book, but (ugh!) stayy away from the first one. That
book by Gery Hsu (no offense to him, but this is the truth) has some of the
most confusing diagramming I've ever seen. Try instead "Exotic Paper
Airplanes" by Thay Yang. Yang is not an origami person, so his diagramming is
a little unorthodox, but it is very understandable. Also, our own Nick
Robinson has a book on "Paper Airplanes". There's also "Wings & Things" by
Steven (Stephen?) Weiss.

          Joseph Wu           It's your privilege as an artist to inflict
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   the pain of creativity on yourself. We can
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami you how YOU paint. There's More Than One Way
 Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.   To Do It. Have the appropriate amount of fun.
    http://www.datt.co.jp                 --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 20:56:08 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Superior beings

On Fri, 21 Feb 1997, Joshua Kronengold wrote:

=JESPER LARSEN writes:
=>I do think that there's something special about folders. I believe that
=>we are quite intelligent. What do you think?
=>Furthermore I'm convinced that we all have some very special skills
=>besides the folding. How about the social question? Are we easy/hard (or
=>perhaps wonderful) to live with?
=As a member of several subgroups (fandom, gamers, paganism, folding,
=SCA), all of which (aside from folding, until now) have members who
=claim that the members are more inteligent/creative/whateverthan the
=norm, I'm finding this whole conversation rather silly ---
=Folders are not Slans.

Hear, hear! But what, pray tell, is a "Slan"?

          Joseph Wu           It's your privilege as an artist to inflict
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   the pain of creativity on yourself. We can
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami you how YOU paint. There's More Than One Way
 Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.   To Do It. Have the appropriate amount of fun.
    http://www.datt.co.jp                 --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 21:53:42 -0400 (AST)
From: acc-a@ugrad.cs.york.ac.uk
Subject: Re: paper airplanes

>
> --- You wrote:
> I'm new to this list, yet I've enjoyed folding stuff most of my life.
> One of my folding favorites are airplanes that fly !
> Not the regular darts etc. , but the bit more complicated stunt flying
> type etc.  These I find hard to find in books.  Are their more to be
> found?  Is there a limit too the possibilities?  Can any one help?  Any
> suggestions?
> --- end of quoted material ---
> I used to have something akin to an obsession with paper airplanes when I was
> younger.  I wasn't terribly good at designing planes that flew that well, but
     I
> did accumulate several books of diagrams.  My two favorite airplane books are
> very likely long out of print, but I can provide you with the info anyway.
> Perhaps you can find them through inter-library loan.

My crowning achivement in paper planes had to be a bird built from the standard
bird base that flew, though it looked somewhat like a cross between a bird and
a handglider, I was also not brave enough to take it apart and refold it writing
the steps down incase I couldnt .... its still at home somewhere collecting dust
if my parents havnt thrown it out!

Alex

>
> Jack Botermans' book _Paper Flight_ (1984, Holt Rinehart and Winston, ISBN
> 0-03-070506-1) contains dozens of innovative and quite aesthetically-pleasing
> models; many of them fly very well, although some seem to stress form over
> function.  The copyright date on my copy is 1984, so you may have some trouble
> locating this one.
>
> For more performance-oriented planes, you might want to look into _The
     Ultimate
> Paper Airplane_, by Richard Kline (1985, Simon and Schuster, ISBN
> 0-671-55551-0).  There are only seven models in this book, but they all fly
> amazingly well.
>
> Keep in mind that most of the designs in those two books aren't terribly
> "origamically pure," to make up a catch phrase on the fly; that is, many
> require tape or glue, and some need a staple or a paper clip for weight.
>
> Hope this helps.
>                                                                     -Fred





Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 23:02:33 -0400 (AST)
From: Steven Casey <scasey@enternet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Alien hand

At 09:05 AM 21/02/97 -0400, you wrote:

>
>I have gained quite a good level of ambidexterity as a side result of
>practicing karate ... anyone else find this ? (or from practicing
>any other martial art ?)
>
>Alex
>

I'd give my right arm to be abidextrous. :-)

BTW I,m right handed. And the Great thing about Origami is it can be done by
most people regardless of their hand-ness. And it operates on all levels you
can be mathematically oriented or very artistic or both. (And everything in
between)

cheers,
Steven Casey
scasey@enternet.com.au





Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 00:25:06 -0400 (AST)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Re: Alien hand

>And the Great thing about Origami is it can be done by
>most people regardless of their hand-ness.

        I seem to recall seeing, a loooooooong time ago, some TV footage of
a parapalegic who learned to play the piano (albeit in a somewhat
rudimentary yet still extremely impressive manner) with her feet!  I wonder
how easy it would be to fold something with one's feet...?  I can't even
imagine having to fold with only one arm, let alone none!

Jerry D. Harris                       (214) 768-2750
Dept. of Geological Sciences          FAX:  768-2701
Southern Methodist University
Box 750395                            jdharris@post.smu.edu
Dallas  TX  75275-0395                (Compuserve:  102354,2222)

"Science _does_ have all the answers -- we just don't have all the
science."
                        -- James Morrow





Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 00:34:44 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Alien hand

On Sat, 22 Feb 1997, Jerry D. Harris wrote:

=>And the Great thing about Origami is it can be done by
=>most people regardless of their hand-ness.
=
=        I seem to recall seeing, a loooooooong time ago, some TV footage of
=a parapalegic who learned to play the piano (albeit in a somewhat
=rudimentary yet still extremely impressive manner) with her feet!  I wonder
=how easy it would be to fold something with one's feet...?  I can't even
=imagine having to fold with only one arm, let alone none!

Well, I often practice one-handed folding when I give blood (which I've not
done since coming to Japan, but I will resume when I return to Canada).
Foot-folding has been an event in the "novelty folding" contests at the
OrigamiUSA conventions. There was also a TV special about a woman here in
Sapporo who folds cranes with her feet (and picks up her cats, too!). There
are also wood-block prints in Japan of armless people doing origami with their
feet. I'll have to try to find the reference to that one. I know I've seen
reproductions of the prints somewhere.

Joseph Wu - origami@planet.datt.co.jp - http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami
It's your privilege as an artist to inflict the pain of creativity on
yourself. We can teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach you how YOU paint.
There's More Than One Way To Do It. Have the appropriate amount of fun.
                                           --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 00:50:27 -0400 (AST)
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: Issei Yoshino info wanted

At 05:25 AM 2/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I finally completed my trial run at Issei Yoshino's triceratops skeleton
>(wow - quite a model).  The strange thing is, every time I look at the
>model, I get this haunting image of his face from the book flashing in my
>mind.  I think someone did mentioned his passing on this list some time
>back, but I don't recall any personal info on Issei (if there was, I didn't
>know who he was back then and probably missed the messages).  I'd like to
>get a feeling of what Issei was like and his general background so I can
>connect the face to a personality.  Any info will be greatly appreciated.

I had the pleasure of meeting Issei when he made a stop in the US with some
of his "Detective" friends. The OrigamiUSA board members took them to
dinner, and as luck would have it, I got to sit next to Issei. He seemed to
have the greatest command of English in the group, so I was sure to take
advantage of that. The group as a whole was enthusiastic and extremely
gracious. Issei, on top of that was exceptionaly modest. One memorable
moment was where I got to finish working on a dinosaur model I was in the
middle of designing. It was very inspiring to be sitting next to the "king
of dinosaur models," and working on a folding sequence for a dinosaur tail
as he offered helpful comments. I also got to see him work on his models
when we all stopped by Michael Shall's place. he seemed to have a
tremendous level of concentration when making the final adgustments for his
work. It was an interesting contrast from a person who seemed to have a lot
of fun with life.

Marc





Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 03:28:43 -0400 (AST)
From: Philip Brown <philip.brown@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Peter M

Thnaks for the information Peter. It's helped heaps.

Philip





Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 05:23:06 -0400 (AST)
From: Joshua Kronengold <mneme@dorsai.dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: Superior beings

Joseph Wu writes:
>On Fri, 21 Feb 1997, Joshua Kronengold wrote:
>
>=As a member of several subgroups (fandom, gamers, paganism, folding,
>=SCA), all of which (aside from folding, until now) have members who
>=claim that the members are more inteligent/creative/whateverthan the
>=norm, I'm finding this whole conversation rather silly ---
>=Folders are not Slans.
>
>Hear, hear! But what, pray tell, is a "Slan"?

Oh, that -- I suppose I should have explained it in the original post,
but it worked better as a throwaway line -- _Slan_ is a golden-age
Science FIction novel about superhumans, and therefore the "Fans are
Slans" mantra is one that tends to get bandied about when SF fans
propose the utterly original idea that their particular little group
(namely, SF fans -- people who go go science fiction and fantasy
conventions) are smarter than most people who don't fit into such a
group.

--
mneme@dorsai.org        Josh Kronengold                     |\      _,,,--,,_
     ,)
  ^     "Unix is easy.  Just like a cross between /,`.-'`'   -,  ;-;;'
 /\\     English and Welsh.  Except that you have to   |,4-  ) )-,_ ) /\
/-\\\    take out all the vowels"  -- Me        '---''(_/--' (_/-'





Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 09:22:53 -0400 (AST)
From: Steve Buck <folder@dc.net>
Subject: Re: paper airplanes

At 01:51 AM 2/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello All,
>
>I'm new to this list, yet I've enjoyed folding stuff most of my life.
>One of my folding favorites are airplanes that fly !
>Not the regular darts etc. , but the bit more complicated stunt flying
>type etc.  These I find hard to find in books.  Are their more to be
>found?  Is there a limit too the possibilities?  Can any one help?  Any
>suggestions?
>
>( is the above a profile of an origamiac ? )   ;-0
>
>The single crease method sounds facinating.  The possibilities? ;-)
>
>Thanx to all
>keep folding strait!
>keep the curves curved!
>
>Seamas O'Brien
>
>

        One of my favorites is called "Paper Airplanes", ISBN: 1-55521-724-9
by the magnanimous Nick Robinson. Chartwell of London has re-published the
book and I've seen it for about $13.00 in the crafts section at Crown Books
in the D.C. area.
It contains a wide variety of divers designs, all easily trimmable and fine
fliers.
This book is a must have for a paper airplane fanatic.

Nick also contributes to this list from time to time and his sense of humour
is quite well known.

Any new airplane designs available, Nick?

Steve Buck
Silver Spring, MD, USA
folder@dc.net





Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 10:20:45 -0400 (AST)
From: "S.W. Nelson" <sn5@earthlink.net>
Subject: to: Marc K. & Steven C. (myth-creatures)

Thanks you both! so very much.
Mythological creatures is a new journey for me and a bit confusing. I'm proud to
say I made the Rabbit!!Ta Da! Thanks to you both.

***The "turn over" symbol at step 22 is misleading, as most
people will turn over side to side from it. The next diagram (step 23)
really shows the model flipped from top to bottom. Perhaps this is the
source of your confusion.` Marc***
Marc, you were right on that I turn the paper from side to side (that didn't
work), so I did flip it over. I guess explaining isn't one of my qualities.
But you did understand my problem.(s) Even with flipping the paper over
I found my folds didn't match up to the diagram. (How frustrating for a
     starving dyslexic.) I'll certainly watch out for this problem in the
     future, flipping instead of turning.
While I folded a new sheet of paper and stopping once again at step24, I again
     found it didn't solve the problem. I had done the squash folds, but
     thinking
in step25.
Steven explained:**Step 19 looks like a preceasing move, but is meant to be an
     xray view of the reverse folds. The xray lines are missing on the right
     hand side.**
Bingo! Again I had problems with this as the time. I didn't know if I should
     reverse behind, both center layers or only one sheet behind(make sense?)
But once again I still discovered as Steven said:
**reverse fold the paper in side "eased" out to form the shape..**
I did discover I had to pull-out the reverse folds in step25, tucked inside
     thus giving me the "little points" I couldn't find before.

Golly. I didn't think I'd ever figure this one out. Thank you both for the help!
Folding origami is a big deal to me(smile), so I really appreciate this.

A promise is a Promise... so, if you both want some cookies send me a private
     email with your address... I'll put a rush on them (smile)Promise!

(130 books!) oh my, I truely am a beginner (blush)

Off to have a hardy breakfast!!(thanks Marc)

origami love,
Rachael





Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 10:30:24 -0400 (AST)
From: Mike and Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Alien hand

Jerry D. Harris wrote:
> I wonder
> how easy it would be to fold something with one's feet...?

I recall a contest at an OUSA convention a few years back that
had contestants folding with their feet.

Janet

--
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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 10:55:19 -0400 (AST)
From: Jack & Emma Craib <gearhead@snet.net>
Subject: ideas needed; also re: feet

Joseph, Please do keep trying to think of where a reproduction of the
woodblock print of people using their feet to fold might be found!
It would knock the socks off my students to see such a thing! I love
finding examples in artwork of people doing stuff in different times
and/or places that appeals to kids...they get sucked into history
without knowing it.

  Being an art teacher has its advantages...I can teach origami as much
as I like, and I can justify the lessons on so many levels...from
sequencing practice to experiencing the culture of other lands to
creative thinking practice in variations and elaborations, etc etc.

  Maybe someone would have an idea for me... I am currently tutoring
(casually, feeling my way into his interests) a kid who has an IQ around
150.  He is not especially artistically talented in the traditional
elementary school way but he is no slouch either,however, I see him
because I also have a MA in G/T and origami is about the only thing that
_really_ perks him up in school...he cruises along doing average work.
What seems to be his interest is devising variations on bases and partly
done models... This has only just started to emerge but I feel it is
real.  Anyone have anecdotes, advise or anything to pass on to him (or
me)?
Cheers, Emma
gearhead@snet.net





Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 11:16:57 -0400 (AST)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: Psychological profile

Doug,

At 19.26 21/2/1997 -0400, you wrote:

>Well, lets just say it adds flavor to your wet-folding, perhaps spicing it
>up some.  No sense crying over split milk! ;-)

I guess you mean "spilt milk".... :-)
"Splitting" milk, on the other hand, may be one of those extra dexterities
(like splitting a hair in half) needed to practise paperfolding....

Roberto





Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 11:17:17 -0400 (AST)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: magic balls?

NIIIIIICK !!!!!

At 18.11 21/2/1997 -0400, you wrote:
>Douglas Zander <dzander@solaria.sol.net> sez
>
>>I can manipulate
>> magic balls in both hands
>
>Most men can ;)

Women too.... ;D

Roberto





Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 11:46:38 -0400 (AST)
From: Jean Villemaire <boyer@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: Superior beings

Joshua Kronengold wrote:
>
> As a member of several subgroups (fandom, gamers, paganism, folding,
> SCA),

So you're the modular type ? ;->

> all of which (aside from folding, until now) have members who claim that
> the members are more inteligent/creative/whateverthan the norm,

Well, I guess everyone wants to reach out a little.  That is a "normal"
attitude, isn't it? {:-'

> I'm finding this whole conversation rather silly --- Folders are not Slans.

I suppose you can qualifie as a "hard person to live with" then.  :-)  So am
I sometimes...  BTW, because of my poor english, I don't know what "Slans"
mean.

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