




Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 17:52:58 -0400 (AST)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: (NON-O) Re: PDF and dollar bill diagrams

>In message <1.5.4.32.19970218145125.0068b310@mailserver.nist.gov> you wrote:
>+At 02:43 AM 2/18/97 -0400,  Tim Heil wrote:
>+
>+>        I've converted some origami diagrams from PDF to Gif in order to
>+>conserve disk space.  The image quality suffers, but for my personal use (as
>+>opposed to public distribution) that isn't too much of a problem.  Dr.
>+>Sakoda's files are among the ones that I won't convert because they're
>+>already quite compact.
>+>
>+>        Anyone else have any thoughts or observations on this?
>+
>+This could be from the new version of Adobe pdf writer or distiller. I can
>+not afford Acrobat 3.0 now. My simple 6 step pdf diagram can take up to 100k
>+disk space. My way of generating pdf diagram is using Ghostscript. What else
>+can you expect from freeware?
>
>Sigh.  I downloaded Acrobat for my unix workstation at work, it is
>8MEGA bytes, uncompressed!  8MB!  The "average" size of a postscript
>file from the origami archives is well under 100K, though there are a
>few that are slightly more.  If you 'compress'/pkzip/stuffit them, the
>biggest shrink down to about 50K (typical compression of 60-70%, i.e.
>compressed file is 30-40% of original).  8Mb = 8192K, but lets be
>generous to Acrobat and call it 8000K.  That's 160 files of PostScript
>(being less generous to PostScript) and I've only accounted for the
>READER!  The printers I have access to are all PostScript, so I have no
>extra space requirement for interpreting the files.  But ghostscript
>and its associated files for the same workstation are about 4500K,
>which still leaves me 3500K ahead, or 70 postscript files!  (there
>about 130 .ps files at the origami FTP archive, for comparison).
>
>130 PDF files + Reader        = 130*10K + 8000K =  9130K
>130 PostScript files          = 130*50K         =  6500K
>130 PostScript files + reader = 130*50K + 4500K = 11000K
>
>So, lets look at the entire picture, not JUST the size of one file.
>
>In order to view my _first_ PDF file, I had to download 4.5MEGAbytes of
>compressed reader.
>
>After that, only 10-30K / file.
>
>Acrobat wins in the long run, but if you have (access to) a postscript
>printer, it doesn't win for quite a while.
>
>-Doug

  Doug, there seems to be many ways of looking at this problem.  The file
for Acrobat Reader 3. is 2.3mb.  It was not downloaded but came with the
Acrobat 3. package.  For Acrobat Distiller it was 2.5 mb and for Acfobat
Exchange 2.7mb.  Considering that some place in the package there is
supposed to be Adobe Type manager, it doesn't sound so bad.   Can't
something be done about the 8+ meg size of your Reader file?
     It is beginning to appear that Freehand 7 and other methods other than
Adobe Distiller produce files much larger than Distiller does.  It seems
that to maintain at web page of pdf diagrams which makes a difference in
size of file, it is necessary to invest in the Distiller, which comes in
the Adobe Acrobat 3.0 package, which sells for a little less than $200.  I
bouight Freehand 7.0, thinking that it might be the solution for diagram
producers to avoid Distiller.  But its output in pdf form was 50k bytes,
whereas output from the  Distiller of the same file was 17K.  What it
amounts to is that to make it easier for consumers it is necessary for
producers to foot most of the bill.  James M. Sakoda





Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 19:32:38 -0400 (AST)
From: Philip Brown <philip.brown@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Book acqusition

I'm a new subscriber to the mailing list, very interested in obtaining a
copy of Issei Yoshino's Origami Skeleton of Tyrannosaurus Rex.   It does
not appear to be available in New Zealand.   If anyone can help me, the
address is philip.brown@xtra.co.nz
Thanks very much
Philip.





Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 20:15:46 -0400 (AST)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: Kasahara's Wild Duck

Bob,

At 17.57 17/2/1997 -0400, you wrote:

>I apologize to Mr. Kasahara.  I assumed because the first name ended in the
>letter "o" that the gender was female.  Is that not a general rule for
>Japanese names?  Ah well, you know what they say when one assumes...   :)

Most female names end in "ko", meaning "small, little" thus also "child"
and, as a suffix, something "gentle" like a woman. See Tomoko (Fuse), Sumiko
and Eriko (Momotani), Sadako (Sasaki), etc.
Don't ask me why Kunihiko is a male name..... out of my knowledge ! Ask his
mother :-)

>Well at least my sanity is safe... for now.

Hmmm... so, what are you doing in THIS list ?

:D :D :D

Happy folding.
Roberto





Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 21:56:17 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: MIT bellows inventor

On Thu, 13 Feb 1997, Troy Tate wrote:

=In yesterday's (2/12) Austin (TX) American-Statesman there was an article
=about a guy that has won an award from MIT for being a creative person.
=One of the things the article talked about was how bellows are used in
=mechanical applications. He has found a way to fold bellows from
=a smaller piece of rigid plastic that makes it more efficient than
=bellows made from metal. It was very interesting about how this
=physicist is making practical use of accordion folds.
=
=If you want to find out more about this fellow, the Austin American-
=Statesman has searchable archives on the WWW. However, this
=article won't be in the archives until tomorrow (2/14). The URL for
=this site is: http://www.austin360.com/main/archive.htm. I would
=imagine you might be able to search on the keywords BELLOW(s)
=or MIT, inventor.

Went there and couldn't find anything on the search. Has anyone else had any
luck?

          Joseph Wu           It's your privilege as an artist to inflict
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   the pain of creativity on yourself. We can
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami you how YOU paint. There's More Than One Way
 Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.   To Do It. Have the appropriate amount of fun.
    http://www.datt.co.jp                 --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 02:59:21 -0400 (AST)
From: "Vincent & Veronique" <osele@worldnet.fr>
Subject: [En+Fr] creation d'un landau

Bonjour

(english summary follow this)

Voila, je vais bientot etre papa, et etant plieur, je voulais faire 
un faire-part en utilisant un origami.
Je pensais essayer d'un creer un, mais bebe a decide de faire de 
l'origami un peu plus tot que prevu, et risque de venir avant.
C'est pourquoi je n'ai plus beaucoup de temps et vous demande s'il 
quelqu'un pourrait me creer un pliage de landau.
Il faut que cela soit simple (j'en ai un certain nb a faire).
Il faut que cela soit plat (c'est pour placer ds une lettre).
      ___
      \ /=B0,
  \____o___)
  |       ,
   /\__/\/
   \/  \/

Quelque chose ds ce gout la. Tout en rondeur, la capote avec des plis 
accordeons. Pour les meilleurs, on peut envisager que la poignee, les 
roues et le rond qui maintien la capote soit de couleur diff=E9rente!

Merci 

Voila ce que j'ai trouve

A partir d'une bande
 _______________
|               |
|_______________|

plier vers l'arriere, deux fois de suite pour former une pointe

 ______
|      \
|_______\
|       /
|______/ 

Avec une serie de plis, remonter la capote
_______
\_  | /\
 _=B0-_/__\
|       /
|______/ 

Il me reste les troues, la poignee...

Vincent

My baby will coming soon, I want to send a announcement-card (?) to 
my familly with an origami.
I try to create a landau(?) but no time left.
So if somedy would be kind to create a model for me like the drawing 
above, I would be great.
It must be flat and simple (lot of to do)
The landau could be like the drawing, all in curve (circle with a 
origami "cut").
For best creator, the fold could use another color for the hand 
grip(?) wheels.

Thanks

 _______                                                     _____
|       | Osele Vincent (Toulouse/France) Membre du MFPP    /|    |
|       | osele@worldnet.fr                                /_|    |
|       | http://www.worldnet.fr/~osele/origami.htm       |       |
|_______| -----------------> ORIGAMI -------------------> |_______|





Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 03:57:20 -0400 (AST)
From: Kenny1414@aol.com
Subject: Re: Kasahara's Wild Duck

In a message dated 97-02-18 19:34:36 EST, you write:

<<
 Most female names end in "ko", meaning "small, little" thus also "child"
 and, as a suffix, something "gentle" like a woman. See Tomoko (Fuse), Sumiko
 and Eriko (Momotani), Sadako (Sasaki), etc.
 Don't ask me why Kunihiko is a male name..... out of my knowledge ! Ask his
 mother :-)

  >>

I can give you a partial explanation.

Unfortunately, I am not fluent in my grandparents' language, but I have
noticed that a lot of Japanese family names seem to be four-syllables and can
be recognized as compounds of two two-syllable word roots.

For example, Ishiguro = ishi (stone) + guro (black) = black stone =
Blackstone. The pattern is the reverse of English, in that the second word
modifies the first.

Similarly, Kawamura, and Murakawa are Japanese family names built from the
same two root words, but with a slightly different meaning; if I remember
right, it's the difference between "village river" and "river village".

I think first names also tend to have two-syllable word roots.

All the women's names that you are talking about follow the pattern:
two-syllable word-root + the particular one-syllable word root "ko". I know
you're right about the meaning of "ko" as a word root, and I think it's
related to the adjective "komai" meaning small.

"Kunihiko" follows the first pattern: kuni + hiko. I don't know what the word
roots mean, but I can guess from the number of syllables that it ends in hiko
instead of ko, and is not likely to be a woman's name.

I have run into a few two-syllable family names, which I think are one-word
roots. Also some three-syllable family names that I don't know how to
analyse.

I am not sure where three-syllable words like sakura ("cherry blossom" or
"cherry (tree)") fit into the scheme.

How you would know where to divide a name into parts, I'm not sure.
Somewhere, there is probably a dictionary of one-, two-, three-, etc.
syllable  word roots. I only picked up a few while I was growing up, like
yama (mountain), mizu (water), shiro (white), aka (red), baka (fool), and
you'll notice those are all two-syllable.

Also, I was really surprised to learn, recently, that Kanji (Japanese written
with the Chinese characters) is phonetic, sort of. (In spite of the fact that
classic Chinese is one-syllable per character) each Kanji character usually
has a two-syllable Japanese pronunciation, so a lot of Japanese names are
two-Kanji compound words.

The catch is that a lot of characters have two different two-syllable
pronunciations, coming from two different historic periods of Chinese contact
with Japan. I'm not sure if this means there are two, or four possible
pronunciations for a pair of Kanji. Maybe it's like the English medical
terminology, where you don't mix the Latin and Greek roots; so if you're
using the older pronunciation for the first part of a name, you have to use
the older pronunciation for the second part, too? I dunno.

And some of the pronunciations are only one-syllable. Honda = hon (original)
+ da (field) is written with two characters.

(Isn't it fun, what you can learn from books?)

I apologize if this digression is boring anyone.

Aloha,

Kenny1414@aol.com

Kenneth Kawamura
PO Box 6039
E Lansing  MI  48826-6039





Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 04:55:18 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: [NO] Japanese names

On Wed, 19 Feb 1997 Kenny1414@aol.com wrote:

=I can give you a partial explanation.
=
=Unfortunately, I am not fluent in my grandparents' language, but I have
=noticed that a lot of Japanese family names seem to be four-syllables and can
=be recognized as compounds of two two-syllable word roots.

Not necessarily. There are many names with more than four syllables and many
with less. And the number of word roots can range from one to four (possibly
more).

=For example, Ishiguro = ishi (stone) + guro (black) = black stone =
=Blackstone. The pattern is the reverse of English, in that the second word
=modifies the first.

Not necessarily. How about Aoki (ao=blue, ki=tree) or Shiroishi (shiro=white,
ishi=stone)?

=Similarly, Kawamura, and Murakawa are Japanese family names built from the
=same two root words, but with a slightly different meaning; if I remember
=right, it's the difference between "village river" and "river village".

You've got those reversed. Kawa=river, and mura=village. However, there are
other word roots that can be pronounced the same way when used in a name. For
example, kawa (with a different character) can mean skin. And you can make
"kawa" out of two characters (ka=to add, wa=peace). Actually, when you drop
down to a single syllable reading of a character, you can have many possible
characters that make the same sound.

=I think first names also tend to have two-syllable word roots.

They can, or they can use single syllable readings of the characters. Also, it
is common to use kana (phonetic symbols) in given names instead of kanji.

=All the women's names that you are talking about follow the pattern:
=two-syllable word-root + the particular one-syllable word root "ko". I know
=you're right about the meaning of "ko" as a word root, and I think it's
=related to the adjective "komai" meaning small.

"Ko" by itself (as kanji) means "child". "Komai" is from the Kyushu dialect
and is not used in "standard" Japanese. It is related to the word "komakai"
meaning detailed. Another word that can be pronounced "ko" when used in a name
does mean small. In normal use, however, it is pronounced "chiisai".

A general form for female given names follows the pattern something+"ko"
(child). The "something" can be one or more kanji characters, or kana, or a
combination of the two. However, not all female names follow this pattern
(e.g. Mayumi).

="Kunihiko" follows the first pattern: kuni + hiko. I don't know what the word
=roots mean, but I can guess from the number of syllables that it ends in hiko
=instead of ko, and is not likely to be a woman's name.

Yes, "kunihiko" consists of two kanji. Kuni=country (or Japan, specifically).
Hiko does not have a meaning per se (perhaps it means "a man"), but is used as
a second character in a man's name. Therefore, any name ending in "hiko" is a
man's name. (It is theoretically possible to construct "hi"+"ko" with the same
"ko" as for woman, but it's so confusing that this is (almost) never done.)

=I have run into a few two-syllable family names, which I think are one-word
=roots. Also some three-syllable family names that I don't know how to
=analyse.

The difficulty lies in the fact that any one kanji can have readings that
consist of one, two, or three syllables (a very few have four syllables, e.g.
the name of one of the political parties in Japan is "Sakigake", one kanji).

=I am not sure where three-syllable words like sakura ("cherry blossom" or
="cherry (tree)") fit into the scheme.

Sakura is a single kanji.

=How you would know where to divide a name into parts, I'm not sure.
=Somewhere, there is probably a dictionary of one-, two-, three-, etc.
=syllable  word roots. I only picked up a few while I was growing up, like
=yama (mountain), mizu (water), shiro (white), aka (red), baka (fool), and
=you'll notice those are all two-syllable.

That's why you pretty much need to be able to read the kanji. Even this route
leads to confusion, since there are different possible readings for individual
kanji.

=Also, I was really surprised to learn, recently, that Kanji (Japanese written
=with the Chinese characters) is phonetic, sort of. (In spite of the fact that
=classic Chinese is one-syllable per character) each Kanji character usually
=has a two-syllable Japanese pronunciation, so a lot of Japanese names are
=two-Kanji compound words.

What do you mean by "phonetic" in this case?

=The catch is that a lot of characters have two different two-syllable
=pronunciations, coming from two different historic periods of Chinese contact
=with Japan. I'm not sure if this means there are two, or four possible
=pronunciations for a pair of Kanji. Maybe it's like the English medical
=terminology, where you don't mix the Latin and Greek roots; so if you're
=using the older pronunciation for the first part of a name, you have to use
=the older pronunciation for the second part, too? I dunno.

Typically there are at least two readings for a kanji character. The "on-yomi"
(Chinese reading) is usually one syllable. The "kun-yomi" (Japanese reading)
comes from the fact that each kanji can be rendered into phonetics (hirigana)
and can be of one or more syllables. There are other possible readings for a
kanji as well. There *are* rules governing the choice of readings, but I won't
get into those (I don't know them all, anyway).

=And some of the pronunciations are only one-syllable. Honda = hon (original)
=+ da (field) is written with two characters.

Hon=book or origin, and ta=rice paddy (it becomes da when tacked on as the
second half of a word). But the character for "hon" can also be read as
"moto" (indeed, it must be moto if it comes second in a name).

=(Isn't it fun, what you can learn from books?)

Yup! 8)

=I apologize if this digression is boring anyone.

Likewise. Thought I'd make a few corrections, though. I had some help with
this, BTW (although I had most of it right...I just wanted to verify).

          Joseph Wu           It's your privilege as an artist to inflict
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   the pain of creativity on yourself. We can
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami you how YOU paint. There's More Than One Way
 Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.   To Do It. Have the appropriate amount of fun.
    http://www.datt.co.jp                 --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 08:12:38 -0400 (AST)
From: JESPER LARSEN <940094@udd.aalsem.dk>
Subject: Psychological profile

Would it be possible to draw a psychological profile of the typical
origami enthusiast? Maybe this fascination for paper and folds has
something to do with our personality. Perhaps we could find a couple
of researchers (with the proper knowledge) who would be interested in
following this. Unfold the mystery!

Wayne Ko wrote:
Gee... come to think of it, I don't think I've ever come across an
origami book I didn't like - must mean I'm an origami-freak.  You know you've
becomed an origami-freak if _______ (may make an interesting topic of
discussion).

- you respond to emails requesting help from origami-freaks
- you fight for the chance to change your child's diapers
- you're married with children and it doesn't bother you at all since
you've decided to fold your life away anyways





Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 11:45:55 -0400 (AST)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Creator Credits in Creative Life with Creative Origami III

Since I don't read Japanese (not even names!), I'm looking for some
deciphering help regarding creator credits in Toshie Takahama's
_Creative_Life_with_Creative_Origami_III_...  Some of models have creator
credits in English, even when they are seeming Japanese names.  But some
models don't have any English creator credits.  A few I recognize as
traditional models, though I don't know how/if-at-all they are creditted.
I am looking specificly for the creator credit for the Swan, which in my
edition is diagrammed on page 85.  (about all I can read on the publications
page is  'copyright 1990 Toshie Takahama'  and  'isbn 4-8377-1290-8'

I checked the oriindex on ftp.rug.nl and it doesn't seem to have this book's
models indexed.

Thanks!
    -Doug





Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 12:24:00 -0400 (AST)
From: GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU
Subject: Re: Books

I'd just like to add that "3D Unit Origami" is a good complement to
"Unit Origami". It's advantages over the latter are 1) it's only $7
vs $19, and it has a bucky ball in it. BOS and OUSA gave it very
high reviews.





Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 12:59:09 -0400 (AST)
From: troy.tate@juno.com (Troy Tate)
Subject: Re: MIT bellows inventor

Yep, I tried it out and didn't get any results from the search.
I sent an e-mail message to the host site to see if they had
updated the search database. I'll get back to you if I hear
anything.

Sorry for the difficulties! I thought it would be easier to
search.

Troy
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Seriously trying to avoid those techies
who have a "charisma-bypass".
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
troy.tate@juno.com <it's free--what can I say?>





Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 15:29:42 -0400 (AST)
From: Pat Slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: Scanning/printing U.S. dollars

A while back (last year?) there was a thread on what was or wasn't legal in
terms of scanning in and printing dollars. I've been doing a web search on
this topic for the business this morning and came across the following.
Thought perhaps some other dollar-bill folders out there might find it
helpful if I posted this excerpt....

What I found was a U.S. Treasury document entitled "Know your Money":

http://nsi.org/Library/Law/knowmoney.txt

More than perhaps most people want to know about counterfeiting and the
history of U.S. Currency. The key passage for those scanning and printing
currency is this:

               Printed reproductions, including photographs of
          paper currency, checks, bonds, revenue stamps, and
          securities of the United States and foreign governments
          (except under the conditions previously listed) are
          violations of Title 18, Section 474 of the United
          States Code.  Violations are punishable by fines of up
          to $5,000, or 15 years imprisonment, or both.

          ILLUSTRATION OF CURRENCY, CHECKS, OR OTHER OBLIGATIONS
               The law sharply restricts photographs or other
          printed reproductions of paper currency, checks, bonds,
          revenue stamps, and securities of the United States and
          foreign governments.
          --- Paper Money, Checks, Bonds, Etc. ---
               Color reproductions of paper currency, checks, or
          bonds for any purpose are illegal.  No color other than
          black and white may be used.      Photographic or other
          likenesses of United States and foreign currencies are
          permissible for any non-fraudulent purpose provided the
          items are reproduced in black and white and are less
          than 3/4 or greater than 1 1/2 times the size, in
          linear dimension, of any part of the original item
          being reproduced.  Negatives and plates used in making
          the likenesses must be destroyed after their use for
          the purpose for which they were made.  This policy
          permits the use of currency reproductions in commercial
          advertisements, provided they conform to the size and
          color restrictions.
               Motion picture films, microfilms, videotapes, and
          slides of paper currency, securities, and other
          obligations may be made in color or black and white for
          projection or telecasting.  No prints may be made from
          these unless they conform to the size and color
          restrictions.





Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 15:47:08 -0400 (AST)
From: Pat Slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: recycled paper source

Forwarding this for those interested in recycled paper....Someone at my
business just called the company Ed Crankshaw once posted as a source for
recycled money paper.

Must say I have to wonder about the pesticide/herbicide levels of that golf
green paper :->.

(And if anyone knows of current source for the recycled money paper, I would
appreciate if they would let me know! And no, it isn't for anything illegal
:->.)

pat slider.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

>I called this company. They've been acquired, and the new company's
>catalog has paper made from golf green clippings, levis, and something
>else (I forget what)... but they no longer have paper made from recycled
>currency.

>>***********************************************************************
>>Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 22:26:37 -0400
>>From: Edward Crankshaw
>>Subject: Paper like U.S. Currency
>>
>>I have seen recycled paper available made from money through a company
>>called
>>
>>On Paper, 3342 Melrose Ave., Roanoke, VA 24017 (1.800.820.2299).
>>
>>I don't, however, know if the strength is the same. They also have a
>>paper made from cotton denim (bluejeans). The paper comes in 8.5 x 11
>>sheets and have matching envelopes.
>>
>>Ed Crankshaw
>>http://dubhe.cc.nps.navy.mil/~ejcranks/origami.html
>>ecrankshaw@nps.navy.mil





Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 16:39:44 -0400 (AST)
From: PAULAR@pdp.usu.edu
Subject: Re: Psychological profile

> Subject:       Psychological profile

> You know you've
> becomed an origami-freak if _______ (may make an interesting topic
of
> discussion).
>
> - you respond to emails requesting help from origami-freaks
> - you fight for the chance to change your child's diapers
> - you're married with children and it doesn't bother you at all since
> you've decided to fold your life away anyways
>
>
 . . . you cringe at birthday parties when someone RIPS the wrapping
paper.

Paula Hogan Larsen
Assistant University Editor
paular@pdp.usu.edu
797-0220

***********************************************************
Eat one live toad the first thing in the morning
and nothing worse will happen to you the rest of the day.





Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 16:32:26 -0400 (AST)
From: Alasdair Post-Quinn <alasdair@staff.feldberg.brandeis.edu>
Subject: i'm back

greetings all--

after much too long of an interlude, i'm finally back.

those of you who have been here for a long time may remember me as the
diagrammer of the lonely man, the enigma cube and the jellyfish. those of
you new here will see me at the convention this june! :)
i don't have much time to write now, but for those in the boston area, i'm
now going to school at brandeis and may be showing up at the OrigaMIT
meetings at some point.
meanwhile,

peace==
               _                ______  ______          _
    i feel as | | much like i  / _____)(_____ \   did  (_) yesterday
        _____ | |       _____ ( (____ aint   \ \ _____  _   ____
       (____ || |      (____ | \____ \  _    | |(____ || | / ___)
       / ___ || |_____ / ___ | _____) )| |  / / / ___ || || | as i do
       \_____||_______)\_____|(______/ | | / /  \_____||_||_| today.
  alasdair@staff.feldberg.brandeis.edu | |/ /itus
     www.middlebury.edu/~acpquinn      |   /





Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 17:47:17 -0400 (AST)
From: Alasdair Post-Quinn <alasdair@staff.feldberg.brandeis.edu>
Subject: Re: Psychological profile

>Wayne Ko wrote:
>Gee... come to think of it, I don't think I've ever come across an
>origami book I didn't like - must mean I'm an origami-freak.  You know you've
>becomed an origami-freak if _______ (may make an interesting topic of
>discussion).

-you save the big pages ripped off your blotter calendar
-you seriously regret paying for groceries with crisp dollars, knowing that
they're "just going to go to waste"
-you fold cards for people rather than patronizing Hallmark

               _                ______  ______          _
    i feel as | | much like i  / _____)(_____ \   did  (_) yesterday
        _____ | |       _____ ( (____ aint   \ \ _____  _   ____
       (____ || |      (____ | \____ \  _    | |(____ || | / ___)
       / ___ || |_____ / ___ | _____) )| |  / / / ___ || || | as i do
       \_____||_______)\_____|(______/ | | / /  \_____||_||_| today.
  alasdair@staff.feldberg.brandeis.edu | |/ /itus
     www.middlebury.edu/~acpquinn      |   /





Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 18:14:27 -0400 (AST)
From: Mike and Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Origami Sources

Hello everyone!

With my husband's help, I finally put the list of origami sources I have
been compiling into a web page.  Check it out at:

http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/orisrc.shtml

Janet Hamilton

--
mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/





Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 19:02:36 -0400 (AST)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Re: Psychological profile

>>Wayne Ko wrote:
>>You know you've
>>becomed an origami-freak if _______ (may make an interesting topic of
>>discussion).

        ...scientists discover a brand new life form of intense interest to
a broad spectrum of people, and all you can think about it "Gee, how would
I fold one of those things?"

Jerry D. Harris                       (214) 768-2750
Dept. of Geological Sciences          FAX:  768-2701
Southern Methodist University
Box 750395                            jdharris@post.smu.edu
Dallas  TX  75275-0395                (Compuserve:  102354,2222)

                                              .--       ,
                                         ____/_  )_----'_\__
                                 ____----____/ / _--^-_   _ \_
                         ____----_o _----     ( (      ) ( \  \
                       _-_-- \ _/  -          ) '      / )  )  \
"Evolution: It's      _-_/   / /   /          /  '     /_/   /   \
Not For Every-       //   __/ /_) (          / \  \   / /   (_-C  \
Body!"              /(__--    /    '-_     /    \ \  / /    )  (\_)
                   /    o   (        '----'  __/  \_/ (____/   \
  -- Michael       /.. ../   .  .   ..  . .  -<_       ___/   _- \
     Feldman       \_____\.: . :.. _________-----_      -- __---_ \
                    VVVVV---------/VVVVVVVVV      \______--    /  \
                         VVVVVVVVV                   \_/  ___  '^-'___
                                           _________------   --='== . \
                     AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA--- .      o          -o---'  /





Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 21:04:51 -0400 (AST)
From: "Backes, Nancy J (MN17)" <nbackes@p04.mn17.honeywell.com>
Subject: Sea Shell question;  MN groups?

Hi, I'm new here and have been reading the posts for a month or 2 now and
reviewing the archives.  I have just recently "gotten into" origami,
having done only the usual crane and hat and boat type folds when I was
younger.  I hadn't realized that there was so much more.  What got me
going was finding the book "Origami Boxes" at the bookstore just before
Christmas.  Wow!  I did every one of them and then got the other three
books by Tomoko Fuse that are in English.  I did almost every one of the
boxes, and am working my way through "Unit Origami".  Around that same
time I found this group.

I saw the books by Kasahara, "Origami for the Connoisseur" and "Origami
Omnibus", mentioned many times in the archives and got them through
Interlibrary loan.  I really like these books.  I like the way they don't
just show models, they explain some of the theory and "why" things are
folded in a particular way.  I was really anxious to see the Kawasaki
Rose that had been mentioned so often.  Wouldn't you know, some lowlife
had torn out those pages from the book!!  That really made me mad!  I
hate to see library books destroyed like that - this is public property.
 Anyway, I went back to the library and asked if there was another copy
around that I could get as I would really like to see that rose.  The
librarian was very nice and said that instead of getting another entire
book (as the rest of the book was fine) they would find a copy of the
book and have the pages copied and sent to me.  I said I didn't think
they could do that (copyright and all) but she said if it was for my own
use (not for classes, or copies for others, or for republishing) and was
for "folding in my own living room" there was no problem.  I had to sign
a form that said I wasn't going to do anything with the copy that would
violate this copyright.  So I'm eagerly awaiting my copy and hope the
copy is of good quality.

Meantime, I was working on the Spiral Snail Shell in "Connoisseur" and
have some questions.  Is the picture on page 140 really for this shell?
 It looks just like the picture on page 143 which says it is the one hole
version.  My shell does not look like either of the pictures.  Now I'm
not sure if I did it wrong or if the result is just not pictured.  My
shell openings go from the bottom point of the shell to the corner of the
second "ring" of the spiral rather than the corner of the first ring, as
in the picture.  Also, my shell twists in the other direction than the
one in the picture.  Does this sound right?  I wasn't sure what inner
pleats to pull out on step 35 so pulled out the only thing that would
pull out, which was the flap on the left of the 4 "valleys".  I'd
appreciate if someone could tell me if what I have competed is actually
correct or if I perhaps went wrong somewhere.

I would also like to know if there are any origami groups/organizations
that meet in the St. Paul/Minneapolis, Minnesota area.  Are there any
other folders in this area out there?  I don't know anyone else who does
origami.  Any good places in this area for supplies?  (I've sent for OUSA
information on membership and books and paper supplies).

Thanks,
Nancy Backes
71623.3676@compuserve.com





Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 21:41:21 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Sea Shell question;  MN groups?

On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, Backes, Nancy J (MN17) wrote:

Welcome aboard, Nancy!

=Meantime, I was working on the Spiral Snail Shell in "Connoisseur" and
=have some questions.  Is the picture on page 140 really for this shell?

No, it is not. The version in OftC has four holes. The single-hole version can
be found in Kasahara's "Origami: El Mundo Nuevo" and also (I think) in Fuse's
"Spirals". The single-hole version is very thick, though, and uses up a lot of
paper (a 10-inch square results in a 3-inch tall model).

          Joseph Wu           It's your privilege as an artist to inflict
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   the pain of creativity on yourself. We can
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami you how YOU paint. There's More Than One Way
 Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.   To Do It. Have the appropriate amount of fun.
    http://www.datt.co.jp                 --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 22:53:27 -0400 (AST)
From: J Armstrong <jcanada@clark.net>
Subject: Re: Another Origami Sighting

Mike and Janet Hamilton wrote:
>
> The March 1997 edition of National Geographic Magazine has an article
> called "The Magic of Paper".  The article is somewhat disappointing ...
But the photos are gorgeous and worth seeing.  Jessica





Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 23:07:25 -0400 (AST)
From: Jean Villemaire <boyer@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: Psychological profile

JESPER LARSEN wrote:
>
> Would it be possible to draw a psychological profile of the typical
> origami enthusiast?  [...]  You know you've becomed an origami-freak if
> _______ (may make an interesting topic of discussion).

.. you're the only one who seems to enjoy himself in the waiting room with
shreds of paper over his shoes and tiny cash register checks dancing through
his fingers.

.. you delicately unseal an envelope you've just received just in case it
would be an uncut version.

.. you never ever need to drink directly from a public drinking trough since
 you can always make yourself a handy paper cup.

.. everyone provides you with their overloads of recycling paper just in
case it would be suitable for folding.

.. you're at a restaurant and you must ask several times for a new napkin.

.. you're desperate to know what the hell "ww" can mean folding-wise.

With all my folded regards,

                ___________________
                |                 |
                |                 |
                |                 |
                |      }---{      |
                |      |0 ,0      |
                |     /'\   \     |
                |    |'''|  |     |
                |    |'  /  /     |
                |____|  /_ /______|
                    |/-/"-"-|       Le harfang des neiges,
Jean Villemaire     |       |       embleme aviaire
Montreal, QUEBEC    |_______|       du Quebec

             mailto:boyer@videotron.ca
                Origami-Montreal :
http://tornade.ere.umontreal.ca/~gonzalep/origami.html





Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 00:36:39 -0400 (AST)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: The Archives

Hello fellow folders:

        I, as the new (and ecstatic) owner of Origami for the Connoiseur, now
     find
myself amongst those confounded by the infamous Kawasaki Rose.  Rather than
drag this topic through here again, I thought I'd browse the archives for
past information about it.
        My question is whether or not there are methods of browsing by subject?
When I reached the archives this evening it seemed as if the only way to
find anything was by the date something was posted.  Is there a faster way
to find all the stuff on the Rose?
        Thanks in advance for all advice and tips offered.

                ///,        ////
                \  /,      /  >.
                 \  /,   _/  /.
                  \_  /_/   /.
                   \__/_   <
                   /<<< \_\_
                /,)^>>_._ \
                (/   \\ /\\\
                       // ````
                ======((`=======

/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/
\                            \
*       Origami:  "Welcome to the fold"                  *
\                            /
/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*\

               Steve Woodmansee
               stevew@empnet.com
               Bend, Oregon
               USA





Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 01:01:14 -0400 (AST)
From: Andy Carpenter <carpentr@rmi.net>
Subject: Re: The Archives

Try going to Alex Batemans homepage. He has a facility to search the
archives by keyword. I found myself in exactly the same boat as you when
I finally tracked down and bought a copy of OFTC. I now use the service
of Alex a lot since I find that over the years people have offered tips
on a whole host of models. The url is:
        http://www.mrc-cpe.cam.ac.uk/jong/agb/origami.html

I also believe that Alex Barber offer a similar service on his origami
page. I haven't used this one though although I'm sure it's pretty good:
        http://www.nol.net/~barber/origami/

Good luck with the rose.

Andy Carpenter

Steve Woodmansee wrote:
>
> Hello fellow folders:
>
>         I, as the new (and ecstatic) owner of Origami for the Connoiseur, now
     find
> myself amongst those confounded by the infamous Kawasaki Rose.  Rather than
> drag this topic through here again, I thought I'd browse the archives for
> past information about it.
>         My question is whether or not there are methods of browsing by
     subject?
> When I reached the archives this evening it seemed as if the only way to
> find anything was by the date something was posted.  Is there a faster way
> to find all the stuff on the Rose?
>         Thanks in advance for all advice and tips offered.
>
>                  ///,        ////
>                  \  /,      /  >.
>                   \  /,   _/  /.
>                    \_  /_/   /.
>                     \__/_   <
>                     /<<< \_\_
>                   /,)^>>_._ \
>                   (/   \\ /\\\
>                         // ````
>                  ======((`=======
>
> /*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/
> \                                                       \
> *       Origami:  "Welcome to the fold"                 *
> \                                                       /
> /*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*\
>
>                 Steve Woodmansee
>                 stevew@empnet.com
>                 Bend, Oregon
>                 USA





Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 01:04:40 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: The Archives

On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Steve Woodmansee wrote:

=       I, as the new (and ecstatic) owner of Origami for the Connoiseur, now
=find myself amongst those confounded by the infamous Kawasaki Rose.  Rather
=than drag this topic through here again, I thought I'd browse the archives
=for past information about it.
=       My question is whether or not there are methods of browsing by
=subject?  When I reached the archives this evening it seemed as if the only
=way to find anything was by the date something was posted.  Is there a faster
=way to find all the stuff on the Rose?
=       Thanks in advance for all advice and tips offered.

Have you Web access? If so, go to Alex Bateman's web page where you can search
the archives by keyword:

<http://www.mrc-cpe.cam.ac.uk/jong/agb/origami.html>

          Joseph Wu           It's your privilege as an artist to inflict
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   the pain of creativity on yourself. We can
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami you how YOU paint. There's More Than One Way
 Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.   To Do It. Have the appropriate amount of fun.
    http://www.datt.co.jp                 --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 02:36:05 -0400 (AST)
From: Allen Parry <parry@eskimo.com>
Subject: Origami Money from recycled dollars

On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, Pat Slider wrote:

> (And if anyone knows of current source for the recycled money paper, I would
> appreciate if they would let me know! And no, it isn't for anything illegal
> :->.)

Last year, at OUSA convention, I brought $20,000 of origami folding money.
This was made from the recycled money paper.  I had illustrated an
accurate facsimile of a dollar bill and had it printed on the paper.
We sold alot of it at the convention, but I know Phyllis (at the Source)
still has some left that I assume she is still selling (if anyone knew it
was for sale).

Recycled money paper is manufactured by the same people who make paper for
US bills; Crane & Co. of 30 South Street, Dalton, MA  01226 although they
will not sell direct unless you are intending to purchase by the pallet
load.  My source was Crown Zellerbach Paper Company and I was forced to
buy it by the case at something like $450 a case.  They sell the paper
in various weights and different mixtures of recycled fiber.  The greater
the recycles fiber, the less strength in the paper.  In actuality, I
think a 40 lb linen paper is closer to a dollars thickness, feel and
strength.....but....nothing beats a brand new crisp dollar bill.

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 04:31:20 -0400 (AST)
From: Allen Parry <parry@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: Psychological profile

On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, JESPER LARSEN wrote:

> Would it be possible to draw a psychological profile of the typical
> origami enthusiast? Maybe this fascination for paper and folds has
> something to do with our personality. Perhaps we could find a couple
> of researchers (with the proper knowledge) who would be interested in
> following this. Unfold the mystery!

A more serious response.....there is something different about folders!

At the convention last summer, a group of creators were hanging out
together Montroll, Lang, Chris Palmer, myself and another who both Chris
and myself can't remember (Chris is currently looking over my shoulder,
he's a house guest of mine).  Montroll and Lang were autographing their
books and someone noticed saying, "Hey, you're both left handed!"  Then
Chris said, "Me too" and so did I.  The other person we can't remember was
also left handed.  IT WAS WIERD!!!

Here is something that might pique your interest:

One comment Montroll has made, is that as a child he was tested on his
spacial ability.....and it was off the chart.  They couldn't measure it.
I have kept this in mind as in the last year as I have taken up a new
interest, in reading about Neuro-Biology.  From what I have learned, they
have discovered a certain area of the brain responsible for this.  Here
is a quote, from one of my books, I think you'll find interesting:

"...evidence of difference between the sexes in the degree of
lateralization of visual-spacial functions-it's greater in males-and now
this evidence of specific right-brain mechanisms in mathematics, you can
see how eventually we might answer some of the questions about why males
are so overrepresented in the "tail of the distribution" for math
abilities.  We're talking here not about the average engineering student
sweating his or her way through advance calculus, but about those
extremely gifted in mathematics, regardless of schooling or environmental
emphasis, most of whom are male.  And more are left handed, allergic, and
dyslexic than you'd normally expect.

So Montroll, Lang.....are you allergic and dyslexic???  Chris and I are
not.  ;-p  Of course, then, maybe we don't live up to your level.

Allen Parry
parry@eskimo.com





Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:20:05 -0400 (AST)
From: Steve Theil <theil@htonline.com>
Subject: Origami-L: re Psychological profile

Allen Parry said: "A more serious response.....there is something different
about folders!"

I know it is not what Allen had in mind, and at the risk of making you all
self-conscious, there is something different about folders' e-mail!

I'm on several lists: one for my family, one for writers, one for advocates
of the theory that Edward de Vere, the 17th Earl of Oxford wrote the plays
published under the name of William Shakespeare, etc.

I can't say that I am any more interested in origami than I am in any of
these other subjects, but this list is by far the most focused and
interesting and just plain chock full o' data than any of the other lists I
subscribe to. Even your digressions are fascinating.

I suppose you could say that my reaction says more about me than it does
about all of you, but I maintain that there is a kernel of truth here:
People who fold (and post) are focused and goal-oriented (to use a, perhaps
meaningless, catch phrase). (But, then, I may be skewing your curve.)

Waddaya think?
Linda Theil
theil@htonline.com





Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:18:25 -0400 (AST)
From: Steve Theil <theil@htonline.com>
Subject: Origami-L: re: recycled paper source

Pat Slider said: "And if anyone knows of current source for the recycled
money paper, I would appreciate if they would let me know!"

Hi Pat,

I don't know if this is what you're looking for, but my son gave me a
100-sheet 4" x 8" pad of paper for Christmas called "Old Money, Recycled US
Currency" from Crane & Co., Inc., Dalton, MA 01226 USA.

I think he bought it at a local mall, at a museum store, or one of those
specialty stores like G Thanks.

Happy hunting,
Linda Theil
theil@htonline.com





Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 12:31:32 -0400 (AST)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Origami-L: re Psychological profile

Linda Theil:
+Allen Parry said: "A more serious response.....there is something different
+about folders!"
..
+I can't say that I am any more interested in origami than I am in any of
+these other subjects, but this list is by far the most focused and
+interesting and just plain chock full o' data than any of the other lists I
+subscribe to. Even your digressions are fascinating.
+
+I suppose you could say that my reaction says more about me than it does
+about all of you, but I maintain that there is a kernel of truth here:
+People who fold (and post) are focused and goal-oriented (to use a, perhaps
+meaningless, catch phrase). (But, then, I may be skewing your curve.)

Hurm, I'd disagree a bit.  I don't have the numbers, but it feels to me like
this list has a larger than usual lurker contingent.  I think what you are
seeing is that when us folders (i.e. people *exactly* like me, which are the
only folks for whom I can speak ;-) ) post, it is often because my interest
and passion for origami has overcome my shyness in "speaking" before a large
group.  Having done this enough (in enough other forums too), I have overcome
some of my shyness and tend to post more.  And yet I do try to stay on topic.
I would rather fold, or talk about folding, than talk about something else.

But of course folding will not be so easily contained, since, picking an
example at random, as Tom Hull has pointed out, a Yoshizawa puppy reflects the
time and insight he has put into study and watching and (playing) with
puppies.  No art can stay inside its own box and achieve passionate greatness.
Technical greatness, probably, but not passionate greatness...

-Doug





Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 12:56:03 -0400 (AST)
From: "P.F.C. Blondel" <blondel@sara.nl>
Subject: Re: single crease method

> I've seen references to the "single-crease" method of
> origami in a few recent interviews that appeared in
> _The Paper_ (P.Jackson and D.Brill) but I didn't see
> any photos to illustrate this method.
>
> Could someone describe this for me?  Is there truly only
> one crease involved in these models?  Where could I find
> photos or diagrams of this method?
>
> PS: I can't easily access any Web sites -- sorry :-(
>
>    -- Rick
>

  Rick,

It is not easy to describe, but I'll try.

We did this a few years ago, when Paul was attending the Dutch conference,
and I can assure it is really astonishing to see what you can do to the
paper with only one -YES 1- fold.

You may start with a fold anywhere in the paper, and it doesn't have to be
from edge to edge, it may also end somewhere in the middle of the paper.
This way you can get all kinds of parabolic shaped curves in the paper
and it is even possible to make it stand up.

Another possibilty is to make a fold from one edge to the other and make
a break some where in the fold, i.e. when you have a mountain fold, just
make a very small (the thickness of the fold itself) valley fold and
bring the two mountains together. When you pinch the backside of the fold
together and lock it, you end up with two parabola shaped parts on top
of eachother.

The fun is to play around with it and see how the light is shining on the
paper and making shadows on its own surface.

Try and enjoy.

--Peter Blondel
  Haarlem





Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 12:57:39 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Re: Psychological profile

Allen Parry wrote:

   At the convention last summer, a group of creators were hanging out
   together Montroll, Lang, Chris Palmer, myself and another who both Chris
   and myself can't remember (Chris is currently looking over my shoulder,
   he's a house guest of mine).  Montroll and Lang were autographing their
   books and someone noticed saying, "Hey, you're both left handed!"  Then
   Chris said, "Me too" and so did I.  The other person we can't remember was
   also left handed.  IT WAS WIERD!!!

It certainly is interesting that Montroll, Lang, Parry, Palmer and the
unknown fifth creator are all left-handed.  I wonder how many other
origami creators are left-handed.  (I am not.)

   One comment Montroll has made, is that as a child he was tested on his
   spacial ability.....and it was off the chart.  They couldn't measure it.

Allen, you failed to mention *what* special ability. I guess you meant
math, but I wasn't sure.  Are there standardized tests yet for origami
talent?

   I have kept this in mind as in the last year as I have taken up a new
   interest, in reading about Neuro-Biology.  From what I have learned, they
   have discovered a certain area of the brain responsible for this.  Here
   is a quote, from one of my books, I think you'll find interesting:

   "...evidence of difference between the sexes in the degree of
   lateralization of visual-spacial functions-it's greater in males-and now
   this evidence of specific right-brain mechanisms in mathematics, you can
   see how eventually we might answer some of the questions about why males
   are so overrepresented in the "tail of the distribution" for math
   abilities.  We're talking here not about the average engineering student
   sweating his or her way through advance calculus, but about those
   extremely gifted in mathematics, regardless of schooling or environmental
   emphasis, most of whom are male.  And more are left handed, allergic, and
   dyslexic than you'd normally expect.

Please don't give quotes of this kind unattributed.  We have a right
to know whose theory this is.  Also, your quote marks are unbalanced
-- I can't tell where your textbook leaves off and you begin.  Quotes
like this can do a lot of harm, as many people take these for truth
without questioning them.  I believe it is still a matter of some
controversy whether there is any meaningful or measurable difference
in visual-spatial functions between men and women, and what on earth
does "regardless of schooling or environmental emphasis" mean?  A
female child old enough to be tested for math ability is old enough to
have been taught that she doesn't (or shouldn't) have any.  Trust me,
I know.

        -- Jeannine (not really trying to start a flame war) Mosely





Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 13:51:52 -0400 (AST)
From: Holmes David EXC IS CH <holmes@chbs.ciba.com>
Subject: RE: Psychological profile

Jeannine Mosely wrote:
> > Allen Parry wrote:
> >
> It certainly is interesting that Montroll, Lang, Parry, Palmer and the
> unknown fifth creator are all left-handed.  I wonder how many other
> origami creators are left-handed.  (I am not.)

Me neither.

> >   One comment Montroll has made, is that as a child he was tested on his
> >   spacial ability.....and it was off the chart.  They couldn't measure it.
>
> Allen, you failed to mention *what* special ability. I guess you meant
> math, but I wasn't sure.  Are there standardized tests yet for origami
> talent?

I think maybe you mis-read it? 8^)  It wasn't a spelling mistake.

Dave

--
David M Holmes              |          Novartis, Inc.
david.holmes@bigfoot.com    |    holmes@chbs.ciba.com
----------------------------+------------------------
Dave's Origami - http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2162/





Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 13:58:31 -0400 (AST)
From: Gavin Koh <gkwk2@cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Psychological profile

At 12:57 2/20/97 -0400, Jeannine Mosely wrote:
>   One comment Montroll has made, is that as a child he was tested on his
>   spacial ability.....and it was off the chart.  They couldn't measure it.
>
>Allen, you failed to mention *what* special ability. I guess you meant
>math, but I wasn't sure.  Are there standardized tests yet for origami
>talent?

I think he probably means 'spatial' not 'special'.

Gav.
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Gavin Koh
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 14:10:50 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Re: Psychological profile

   Jeannine Mosely wrote:
   > > Allen Parry wrote:
   > >
   > It certainly is interesting that Montroll, Lang, Parry, Palmer and the
   > unknown fifth creator are all left-handed.  I wonder how many other
   > origami creators are left-handed.  (I am not.)

   Me neither.

   > >   One comment Montroll has made, is that as a child he was tested on his
   > >   spacial ability.....and it was off the chart.  They couldn't measure
     it.
   >
   > Allen, you failed to mention *what* special ability. I guess you meant
   > math, but I wasn't sure.  Are there standardized tests yet for origami
   > talent?

   I think maybe you mis-read it? 8^)  It wasn't a spelling mistake.

   Dave

Oops.  You're right Dave. Sorry folks.

        -- Jeannine





Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 14:49:00 -0400 (AST)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Re: Psychological profile

>It certainly is interesting that Montroll, Lang, Parry, Palmer and the
>unknown fifth creator are all left-handed.  I wonder how many other
>origami creators are left-handed.  (I am not.)

        I'm not either.  I'm not even ambidextrous, or remotely so!  In
fact, it seems that my left arm just kind of hangs around to give my body
symmetry and to occasionally assist in holding or carrying things.  It can
type and play piano, but other than that, it's a pretty useless appendage.
What?  Yeah, that's right, Left Arm, I'm talking to you!  What are you
gonna do about it?!???  I -- hey!  Stop that!  Let go of my neck!!  Urrrghh
-- gaaacckkkkk --  chchchchchch----  (thud)

Jerry D. Harris                       (214) 768-2750
Dept. of Geological Sciences          FAX:  768-2701
Southern Methodist University
Box 750395                            jdharris@post.smu.edu
Dallas  TX  75275-0395                (Compuserve:  102354,2222)

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