




Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 21:05:47 -0400 (AST)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Re: Japanese Package Wrapping.

At 05:41 PM 2/11/97 -0400, David Lister wrote:
>
>
..(snip) diagrams for the method were included by Kunio Ekiguchi
>in his English-language book: "Gift Wrapping: Creative ideas from Japan".
>
..(more snipping)I commend Ekiguchi's book as a deiightful compendium of
>Japanese ideas for wrapping gifts. I reminds me of another Japanese book on
>wrapping and packaging of every kind (not just paper). This is "How to Wrap
>Five More Eggs" by Hideyuki Oka, first published by Weatherhill in 1975,
ands >still in print.  Sheer delight, it is a marvellous illumination of
>Japanese innovative craftsmanship and artistic attention to the minutest
>detail. Get both books if you can. They are the nearest thing to a visit to
>Japan without actually going here.
>
>David lister.

Next question - does anyone know where to get these books?  Does Sasuga
carry them?

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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 21:13:29 -0400 (AST)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Re: On the Sex of Pajaritas.

Hello all:

        One small sidenote to David Lister's very interesting look at the
sex of the Pajarita, is that in the Spanish language, the word "Pajarita" is
in the feminine form...

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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 21:16:18 -0400 (AST)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Re: Healthy Clubs

        In regards to a recent post regarding Origami clubs, I would be
interested in hearing how any clubs were formed in areas of smaller
population.  Boston, New York, etc. are one thing, but our population here
in Central Oregon is under 50,000 (just) - what would everyone recommend?
        Has anyone tried posting a personal add?  What about locations for
posted announcements?  I would love to have some company here!

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               Steve Woodmansee
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               Bend, Oregon
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Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 11:54:13 -0400 (AST)
From: Irie40@aol.com
Subject: Re: Healthy Clubs

I live in a town of about 30,000 residents and we formed our own Origami
club.  It originally started with 5 friends who folded.  We go to the library
as a group once a month and fold.  We did a little advertising . . . in the
library newsletter,  word of mouth and for the past 2 years (or is it 3) we
made a sign for the OUSA convention, with "take aways" with our group name
(OCEAN folders) and phone # for more information.  We now have a few steady
newcomers.  We are never overwhelmed with participants, but it makes the
folding session more personal.  My suggestion is if   you have a few folding
friends, start something.  If for no other reason than to commit yourselves
to meeting once a month (we all know how difficult it can be to coordinate
people)  But having the same nite each month is a joyful committment.





Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 12:21:08 -0400 (AST)
From: Martha Mitchen <afolder@avana.net>
Subject: Re: OUSA Magazine The Paper

Valerie Vann wrote:
>
> There was mention recently that someone had already
> gotten the latest issue of the OUSA Society magazine/newsletter
> ("The Paper") about a week ago?
>
> My membership is current and I'm paying extra for first class
> mail, but I've not received anything. Any other west coast
> members get theirs?
>
> Valerie Vann
> 75070.304@compuserve.com

I too have not received my copy.  I'm not sure whether it should come
first class or not.  My membership was up for renewal in February and I
intended to renew for first class, but now I'm wondering if maybe I
forgot to renew.  But even so, I think I should have received the winter
issue.

Anyone out there involved in putting out the Paper, can you enlighten
us on why so many have apparently not receive it?  Surely by now even
third class should have arrived.

Martha Mitchen





Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 18:00:00 -0400 (AST)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: PDF and /Freehand 7.0

 To:  Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>  I thought you had
mentioned that it was possible to output PDF files after creating it in
Freehand 7.0.  If that is so, using Freehand 7.0 would be a big advantage
on using other drawing programs.  I now use Canvas, and find it convenient
for making origami drawings.  However, after finishing the drawing, I need
to save it in EPSF form and read it with Adobe's Distiller in order to
create a  PDF file.  The Distiller program comes in the Adobe Acrobat 3.0
set of programs, which includes Acrobat Exchange and Acrobat Reader 3.
Also, if Freehand 7. can output PDF, can it also read it, although that is
not too important.  If Freehand creates PDF files programmers would be
relieved the trouble of getting and using Adobe Acrobat 3 since the Acrobat
Reader can be downloaded from   http;//www.adobe.com.acrobat  .  James M.
Sakoda





Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 19:38:39 -0400 (AST)
From: Mike and Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Origami Sighting

Congratulations to Alex Barber!

The March 1997 issue of Family Fun Magazine has an article on "Crafty
Computers" in its regular Family Computing department.  A sidebar to the
article is called "the family web", and talks about craft resources on
the web.  Mentioned are Aunt Annie's Craft Page, Alex Barber's Origami
Page, and Disney Online (for clip art to be colored).  Here's the text
of the part about Alex's web page:

* Origami Page (www.nol.net/~barber/origami/) - Use up misfed printer
sheets by turning them into elegant animals.  This page offers
instructions for dozens of folded-paper projects, including a one-fold
stegasaurus, Zen-like in its simplicity.

And for an additional sighting, on this past week's episode of "The
Naked Truth", the character played by Tea Leone finds out that she is
really 1 year older than she thought, and is about to turn 30, not 29.
She rapidly goes through her life list of things she wanted to
accomplish before turning 30, trying to squeeze them into the remaining
few days before her birthday.  One of the items on the list was "learn
origami", and she produces a model (I don't remember what it was), that
is shown on screen.

Janet Hamilton

--
mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
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Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 19:33:52 -0400 (AST)
From: Kimberly Crane <kcrane@kimscrane.com>
Subject: Re: New Thread

DORIGAMI@aol.com wrote:
>
> In addition to How I got started, it would be interesting to know how you
>  all use origami nowadays.  Do you teach, design, market, socialize with it,
> are you into magic and use it in your act.  Let us know so that we can share
> with each other.  I teach in schools, sr. groups, Parks, camps, bookstores,
> socialize with it, do magic tricks, show off some like I guess most of us
>  etc., etc., etc.  Money folding is my thing and I teach the money roses a
> lot.  People love that.  Let us hear from you some more......Dorigami.

Dorigami
How I Got Started in Origami

Like many out there, my origami adventures began at the age of six when
I spotted an origami kit on the shelf of a local toy store.  The papers
just
fascinated me, they were so  colorful. I demanded my mother buy me the
kit
or I would disassemble the toy store!  My mother did not believe me so I
began to throw things from the shelves onto the floor.  She realized I
meant
business and brought me the kit.  I then saw a similar kit only for
kirigami.
She brought me that one too.  Of course I folded and cut everything in
the
kits in a matter of days.  I was hooked I wanted to fold more complex
models.
In a pre-Christmas ritual of taking me around shopping to get an idea on
what
I wanted from Santa Claus, she showed me a beautiful origami book.
YESSSSS!
Isao Honda's "The World of Origami".  I thought I was in Nirvana.  But I
had
to be good for Santa to bring it to me.  Yep, I not only got that book
for
Christmas but Samuel Randlett's "The Best of Origami".  I folded and
folded
and folded.  I still have these two books and fold stuff from them.  My
mother
always thought me to be a bit odd and origami only helped to ingrain
this
concept.  She could not and would not understand my love for origami.
It
did keep my quiet for hours at a time so she learned to accept it.

Even in these early years I had heard of Origami USA.  In fact when
going
through my origami memorabilia I came across an old yellow copy of a
1965
Origami USA Newsletter.  Even at the age of nine years old I had written
to the New York office for information.  In my wildest dreams I had
envisioned attending one of their conferences.  It was not the distance
that scared me but the fact it was held in New York City.  I lived
outside Los Angeles, California.  New York was a Big Bad City!
Oh how times have changed...

As I grew into my teens I put origami aside for other things.  I did
once
try to present origami in a high school math class and the old cranky
math teacher humiliated me so badly by saying origami had nothing to do
with mathematics.  I was almost in tears but I knew deep inside he did
not know and had never heard of origami but did not want to admit it.
Several years later when it came time to leave home the only things
my mother had saved from my childhood possessions were my origami
papers and books.

It was not until I had been married for many years, I guess around
the age of forty that something hit me and I was off and folding
again.  I now lived in Virginia, much closer to that Big Bad City!
Could I get the guts to go to a convention by myself.  I mean,
people do not get out of New York alive, do they?  I had traveled
all over the world by myself but for some fearful reason New York
City was so ominous.  In 1995 I put fear temporarily aside and
signed up to attend the convention.  If I never returned at least
I was fulfilling my wildest dream!  I remember when I arrived at
the dorm office, the first thing the young lady said to me was:
"This is your first time to New York City, isn't it?"  I was in
total fear.  But at least I had made it.  I thoroughly enjoyed
my first convention and vowed I would return for many more.
I had faced my worst fear and won.  Soon after returning from
my first convention my husband asked to learn to fold.
Ahhh, my first student.

>From then on the origami bug hit both of us and we began
doing arts and craft shows and teaching classes.  So many
people asked us where they could get the supplies, papers
and books that we began carrying these items too.  We had
Yes, we do arts and craft shows, teach classes, and we
have a web site which we invite you to visit:
http://www.kimscrane.com

Sincerely,

Kimberly Crane





Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 20:29:54 -0400 (AST)
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: PDF and /Freehand 7.0

At 06:00 PM 2/16/97 -0400, James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu> wrote:

> To:  Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>  I thought you had
>mentioned that it was possible to output PDF files after creating it in
>Freehand 7.0.

Yes, it is easy to export files into a multitude of common formats.

>Also, if Freehand 7. can output PDF, can it also read it, although that is
>not too important.

Freehand 7 did a great job of converting PDF files into its native format,
which allowed such files to be edited. This feature was very important, as
a number of people sent me files in PDF format for the upcomming OrigamiUSA
Annual Collection. I should take this opportunity to thank everyone who
sent me their artwork. I have to admit the response was much better than
anticipated. Receiving over 30 pages of ready to use artwork in one week
has brought us back on schedule (this does not mean we have stopped
accepting submissions, however). Thank you again.

Marc





Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 20:53:26 -0400 (AST)
From: chd@med.unc.edu (Mark Fradin)
Subject: Re: New Thread

> DORIGAMI@aol.com wrote:
> >  Money folding is my thing and I teach the money roses a
> > lot.  People love that.  Let us hear from you some
> more......Dorigami.
>
-- End original message --

Origami money roses sound interesting. Where can I find the
diagrams for these?

Mark





Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 21:34:47 -0400 (AST)
From: woodrich@juno.com (arnold c woodrich, jr)
Subject: Re: Contacting Gay Merrill Gross

Mark, I KNOW that phrase is from the bible.  That's my point.  And your
response makes my point more.  I guess you dont understand.
I wont try to shove my religion down your throat.  Please dont shove
yours down mine, or others.  This is a origami mailing list, or crying
out loud.  ACW





Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 00:12:58 -0400 (AST)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: PDF and dollar bill diagrams

     I have written previously that I thought I might send an attachment to
everyone in PDF form to provide a means of testing the value of using PDF.
But instead my son Bill and I have set up a web home page to provide a few
dollar bill diagrams in PDF form.  The advantages of PDF, unlike GIF and
JPEG, based on scanned images, are that both the line drawings and text are
accurately reproducible and take up a minimum of space for storage and time
for transmission.  My dollar bill diagrams require less than 10K bytes for
storage and can usually  be downloaded pretty quickly.
     The instructions include one for the basic six point star, which
resembles the eight point star in Modern Origami which has eight points.
The two side points are there but very short, but still can be used for the
giraffe and the Pushmi-Pullyu.  The latter is Dr. Doolittle's two headed
animal which can walk forward or backwards without turning, and is probably
the most attractive one fold.  From the basic six point star I have
directions for the horse (the former Pegasus now without wings), the swan
(without wings), and the dachshund and the angelfish.  I hope to add
diagrams from time to time, both from the past and present.
     The web site is at   http://idt.net/~kittyv   . TheAcrobat Reader 3.0
, which is needed to read PDF files can be down-loaded from
http://www.adobe.com/acrobat  .   PDF can also be read by Adobe Exchange.
If one is using Netscape Navigator 2 or 3, there is a provision for a
plug-in arrangement, which allows PDF files to be read from Netscape.
Acrobat Exchange or Acrobat Reader will come with a PDFviewer plug-in and
this should be moved to Navigator's Plug-in File.  What then happens is
that Navigator calls Acrobat Exchange or Acrobat Reader, which presents the
selected file from the web page in readable form.  Printing the diagrams
from Navigator is also  possible, but only from Navigator 3.  If printing
is attempted from Navigator 2 the system will crash.  To avoid the crash
the image page can be saved in the Netscape folder, from where the Acrobat
Reader or Acrobat Exchange can be called upon to print it out.  If there is
no provision for the PDFviewer in the Plug-in Folder the progam leads the
user into downloading the Acrobat Reader.  While there are step by step
instructions given I would not assume that the whole procesure will
necessarily be  as easy as it is made out to be by the statement that "it
can be downloaded for free."  But if you are able to make the effort, I
believe it will be worth your while.   I will discuss the producion of PDF
files another time.  James M. Sakoda





Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 05:45:32 -0400 (AST)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Re:  Get a list of military technical reports on Origami

Dear Jorma:

        I was looking at my little toothpick holder the other day (and dying for
someone to ask where it came from!) and realized I may not have thanked you
properly and told you how much I appreciated your sending it.
        If I've failed to tell you this before, please forgive my egregious
     error,
it was not intentional!
        How goes the folding?

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               Steve Woodmansee
               stevew@empnet.com
               Bend, Oregon
               USA





Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 09:10:57 -0400 (AST)
From: reeds@openix.com (Reeds family)
Subject: Re: Dollar Bill Origami

>To all,
>
>My Aunt is bedridden and has decided to take up origami while she's
>recuperating.  Since I have the where-with-all to reach you folks via
>e-mail, she enlisted me for some help in creating an origami fish out of
>a number of dollar bills.  Are there plans and diagrams availble out
>there for creating such a critter?  Any help will be greatly
>appreciated!
>
>Thanks,
>--
>Rich Green
>***The end result of try is tried... the end result of do is done!***

Dear Rich and Rich's Aunt                   2/13/97

Today on the subway, I came up with this  dollar fish--low intermediate,
I'd say. These directions assume you know the waterbomb base and how to
squash. Essentially it's an off center version of the dollar bowtie, with
folds by eye to shape the fish's tail, body,  and snout.

1. Start with Washington side up. Fold in half long-wise and unfold.
2. Valley-fold left short edge so that the flap covers the Washington
cartouche ( your crease will be a little less than 1/3 of the way across,
roughly grazing the wreath with the captial letter in it).
3. Turn vertically so flap hangs down from top. Dog ear the top corners to
the long axis crease and unfold the corners.
4. Refold the corners inside to make a waterbomb base at the top of the model.
5. Valley-fold the tip of the waterbomb base down to the inside of the
white border (not to the raw edge.)
6. Unfold partway, so that the tip is sticking up at right angles to the model.
7. Squash the tip of the waterbomb so that it forms a small square .

        I do this by first sticking both index fingers into the side
pockets of the waterbomb base and spreading them apart--thumbs and other
fingers are holding the rest of the flap tightly against the rest of the
model, both hands pulling slightly outwards and downwards. Then I shift my
thumbs into the pockets and finish spreading them. If pulling and spreading
is not done at the same rate on left and right and near and back sides of
waterbomb base, you won't get a square, but a trapezoid or irregular
quadrilateral. Redo it until  you  have a reasonably good square.
8. Hold model in air and flip the square and short flap upwards and
backwards. Now you see the grey side of the bill. Squash the loose stuff at
the "waist" of the model into 2 little triangles pointing at each other.
9. Turn bill over to green side and orient horizontally so you get the
sense of a fish--the small end becomes the tail, the large end becomes the
head. The small square you made in step 7 bridges the waist.   By eye,
mountain fold the tail angles at the waist parallel to the slanting edges
of the wiast notches. (Depending where you made the crease instep 2, this
fold may or may not go through the corners of the tail.)
10. Make the correponding mountain folds on the body sid e of the waist
notch to slim the fish's body.  (By the way, if you hold the model
vertically at this stage, with bigger part at bottom, you should be able to
figure out ways to make a nice green bottle, or a standing person in
robes/hat--the square becomes the head.)
11. Shape the rest of the fish's body and head by mountain- folding bits of
the edges. Take advantage of the scrolls/fan at the head end to make
eye/mouth.

With best wishes for funny fishes and a quick recovery,

Karen
reeds@openix.com





Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 14:09:30 -0400 (AST)
From: Pat Slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: RE: Momigami

Been meaning to reply to Joseph Wu's info that momigami is used for
clothing, not folding, etc.

The samples I have do seem to hold a crease, albeit not a sharp one. This
paper isn't as thick as the washi I have.

And I keep thinking that the koala in Gross's "Art of Origami"/"Origami
Workshop" looks like it is folding from Momigami except that it appears to
be s duocolor. (All the momigami samples I have are monocolor except for the
gold and silver.) If this isn't a Momigami koala, what is it? Perhaps it is
something more affordable :->?

Also, in the ORU collection #2, a set of 8 boxes in an arrangement of 2
squares by 8 squares looks like it might be folded from Momigami too. But is
also possible that they are folded out of a paper akin to "Mingei"....Hard
to tell from the photo really. The Mingei samples I have are in the same
saturated bright and earthtone colors as the momigami, but not fuzzy. A
little more like thin construction paper. (Plan to try a sheet of that too
someday....only $11.50!)

Anyway, I doubt I can fold anything complex out of momigami, but I do think
it is possible to find an appropriate model that will work with it! If all
else, I'd be willing to try using the methyl cellulose on it. Maybe it would
make an interesting, soft-looking box. Or maybe a very nice wallet.....If it
is used for clothes, perhaps we might assume that it is quite durable?

Back to pondering pancakes,

pat slider
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 13:44:50 -0400 (AST)
From: Pat Slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: Re: OUSA Magazine The Paper

>Valerie Vann wrote:
>>
>> There was mention recently that someone had already
>> gotten the latest issue of the OUSA Society magazine/newsletter
>> ("The Paper") about a week ago?

>I too have not received my copy.  I'm not sure whether it should come
>first class or not.  My membership was up for renewal in February and I
>intended to renew for first class, but now I'm wondering if maybe I
>forgot to renew.  But even so, I think I should have received the winter
>issue.

I just got my issue on Friday. (Or was it Saturday? I think it was Friday
:->.) And mail from New York generally has to spend an extra day passing
through Sacramento or San Francisco before reaching little Mariposa.

pat slider.
slider@stonecutter.com





Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 14:47:42 -0400 (AST)
From: Bob Shuster <bob.shuster@webphoria.com>
Subject: Kasahara's Wild Duck

Hi all.  I'm having a bit of difficulty with a relatively simple model.  In
Kasahara's "Creative Origami" - 12th printing 1991, she has a model of wild
duck (in this edition number 10 on page 30) which has a seeming ly
impossible fold in it.  The instructions are very clear, and if you follow
them without regard to the white or colored side of your paper, they work
out great.

There's the rub.  Following the instructions, step 5 does not yield step 6!
If anyone has this book, take a look.  The illustration for step 6 in my
edition (logically the result of step 5!) shows the upper half of the model
white and the bottom half the tinted side of the paper.  I cannot figure
out a way where it would yield this result!  It doesn't seem as if there is
any room for interpretation in this step, and it always yields the white
side of the paper both top and bottom.  The resulting figure has the
underside colors reversed from Kasahara's final illustration (step 14.)

Am I crazy or is this simply an error in the book?  I wouldn't fuss about
this, except that I find the way this model is illustrated in the book to
be more aesthetically pleasing than the way it actually comes out (in my
hands at any rate.)

Can anyone shed some light on my conundrum?   Thanks   - Bob Shuster

<http://www.webphoria.com/origami.html>  - an overhaul is in the works!

 [ Webphoria Design & Consulting - custom graphics & site design ]
 [   email: bob.shuster@webphoria.com      phone: 215-927-4928   ]
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 15:15:51 -0400 (AST)
From: jtweres@lucent.com
Subject: Akira Yoshizawa's Butterflies

to origami practitioners,,,

i cannot remember which book it was
but it had a page with a color photograph
of a collection of Butterflies all done by Akira Yoshizawa

?#1     is there a book by Akira Yoshizawa that contains ONLY butterflies???

?#2     is there a single/multi-authored book that contain ONLY butterflies???

  /-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-///plieur de papier\\\-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\
 /=-= jack thomas weres                         jtweres@lucent.com =-=\
/=======================\\\================///=========================\
"Let Go and Let Fold"                             "One Crease At A Time"





Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 17:16:19 -0400 (AST)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: Kasahara's Wild Duck

Bob,

At 14.49 17/2/1997 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi all.  I'm having a bit of difficulty with a relatively simple model.  In
>Kasahara's "Creative Origami" - 12th printing 1991, she has a model of wild
>duck (in this edition number 10 on page 30) which has a seemingly
>impossible fold in it.

Why "she" ? Kunihiko Kasahara is a handsome young man (actually older than
he looks !)..... :-)

Apart from this, you are quite right, it's an error. The funny thing is that
this model is commented:

".....Cutting (the paper) into a triangle tends to give the duck a better
color effect because of the contrast on top and underside"

but unfortunately the color effect is not as shown here !

Roberto





Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 17:28:23 -0400 (AST)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: PDF and dollar bill diagrams

James M. Sakoda wrote:

+     I have written previously that I thought I might send an attachment to
+everyone in PDF form to provide a means of testing the value of using PDF.
+But instead my son Bill and I have set up a web home page to provide a few
+dollar bill diagrams in PDF form.
..
+     The web site is at   http://idt.net/~kittyv   . TheAcrobat Reader 3.0
+, which is needed to read PDF files can be down-loaded from
+http://www.adobe.com/acrobat  .   PDF can also be read by Adobe Exchange.

Thanks for making your PDF files available on your web page.  Please
also considering submitting them to the FTP site so that they are
available to those with only email access to origami-l (the FTP site
supports email access to its files, last I checked).  Thank you also
for not just sending them as part of a message to origami-l directly!

Note to potential viewers of these PDF files:  I found that version 2.1
of the reader (on AIX) was unable to understand them.  After I
downloaded version 3 from Adobe, I was able to view them just fine.

-Doug





Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 17:55:26 -0400 (AST)
From: Bob Shuster <bob.shuster@webphoria.com>
Subject: Re: Kasahara's Wild Duck

>>Hi all.  I'm having a bit of difficulty with a relatively simple model.  In
>>Kasahara's "Creative Origami" - 12th printing 1991, she has a model of wild
>>duck (in this edition number 10 on page 30) which has a seemingly
>>impossible fold in it.
>
>Why "she" ? Kunihiko Kasahara is a handsome young man (actually older than
>he looks !)..... :-)

I apologize to Mr. Kasahara.  I assumed because the first name ended in the
letter "o" that the gender was female.  Is that not a general rule for
Japanese names?  Ah well, you know what they say when one assumes...   :)

>Apart from this, you are quite right, it's an error. The funny thing is that
>this model is commented:
>
>".....Cutting (the paper) into a triangle tends to give the duck a better
>color effect because of the contrast on top and underside"
>
>but unfortunately the color effect is not as shown here !

Well at least my sanity is safe... for now.  Thank you - I spent a good, oh
say, ten minutes trying to figure out what I was doing wrong!  - Happy
folding   - Bob

<http://www.webphoria.com/origami.html>   - overhaul on its way!

 [ Webphoria Design & Consulting - custom graphics & site design ]
 [   email: bob.shuster@webphoria.com      phone: 215-927-4928   ]
 [             website: http://www.webphoria.com                 ]





Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 19:10:05 -0400 (AST)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: OUSA con

One must be a member of OUSA to attend the convention, unless
one is an "honored guest". If David Petty is not a member of
OUSA, OUSA might consider inviting him as a guest; certainly
he has the "standing" as an origami designer to warrant it.

At any rate: details of the conventions, applications, info
on accommodations, etc are sent to OUSA members in a large
"Convention Package" a few months in advance of the event.
This package includes information and forms for teachers,
volunteer helpers, etc. etc.

As I recall, one may also write to OUSA requesting a Convention
Package, and then join OUSA at the same time as submitting the
Convention forms, but it would be better to join sooner.

It is always best to send requests to OUSA about various matters
separately, i.e. not include membership dues with other matters,
or Convention info requests with submissions for the publications,
etc., as the separate functions seem to be handled by different
groups of persons.

Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 20:28:01 -0400 (AST)
From: Mike and Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Another Origami Sighting

The March 1997 edition of National Geographic Magazine has an article
called "The Magic of Paper".  The article is somewhat disappointing in
that it deals mostly with the ecological aspects of deforestation and
paper production.  There is a little information on paper history, but
virtually nothing on paper arts.

Origami is mentioned once, and there is a picture of a monument in
Hiroshima draped with strings of cranes.

Some other notable pictures: A shinto priest purifying a car with a
harai-gushi, paper funeral items in China, Mexican papel picado art.

Janet Hamilton
--
mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/





Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 20:52:28 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: [NO] Japanese given names (was Re: Kasahara's Wild Duck)

On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, Bob Shuster wrote:

=>Why "she" ? Kunihiko Kasahara is a handsome young man (actually older than
=>he looks !)..... :-)
=
=I apologize to Mr. Kasahara.  I assumed because the first name ended in the
=letter "o" that the gender was female.  Is that not a general rule for
=Japanese names?  Ah well, you know what they say when one assumes...   :)

As a general rule, Japanese names ending in "-ko" are female names. One
noticeable exception is that names ending in "-hiko" are male names.

          Joseph Wu           It's your privilege as an artist to inflict
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   the pain of creativity on yourself. We can
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami you how YOU paint. There's More Than One Way
 Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.   To Do It. Have the appropriate amount of fun.
    http://www.datt.co.jp                 --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 21:18:39 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: RE: Momigami

On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, Pat Slider wrote:

=Been meaning to reply to Joseph Wu's info that momigami is used for
=clothing, not folding, etc.

I was, of course, writing about the "real" momigami which is a type of washi
treated with konnyaku, as previously mentioned. However, "momigami" means
"wrinkled/crumpled paper", so I would assume that the momigami that is readily
available is not the momigami used for kamiko (paper clothing).

=The samples I have do seem to hold a crease, albeit not a sharp one. This
=paper isn't as thick as the washi I have.

Well, momigami *is* washi (assuming it's the real stuff). There are many
different kinds of washi.

=And I keep thinking that the koala in Gross's "Art of Origami"/"Origami
=Workshop" looks like it is folding from Momigami except that it appears to
=be s duocolor. (All the momigami samples I have are monocolor except for the
=gold and silver.) If this isn't a Momigami koala, what is it? Perhaps it is
=something more affordable :->?

Yes, that's right. That koala (by Momotani, I believe?) is folded out of a duo
momigami. I've seen it for sale before. I think I have some, now that I think
of it. It was given to me...I don't much like working with it.

=Also, in the ORU collection #2, a set of 8 boxes in an arrangement of 2
=squares by 8 squares looks like it might be folded from Momigami too. But is
=also possible that they are folded out of a paper akin to "Mingei"....Hard
=to tell from the photo really. The Mingei samples I have are in the same
=saturated bright and earthtone colors as the momigami, but not fuzzy. A
=little more like thin construction paper. (Plan to try a sheet of that too
=someday....only $11.50!)

"Mingei" means "craft" (as in traditional crafts; "kougei" is the word
normally used when talking about "crafts"), so it's not surprising that the
mingei paper is much like construction paper. The mingei paper backcoats well,
BTW, with methyl cellulose (using my method, which has been popularised by
many people now).

=Anyway, I doubt I can fold anything complex out of momigami, but I do think
=it is possible to find an appropriate model that will work with it! If all
=else, I'd be willing to try using the methyl cellulose on it. Maybe it would
=make an interesting, soft-looking box. Or maybe a very nice wallet.....If it
=is used for clothes, perhaps we might assume that it is quite durable?

I've considered using methyl cellulose with momigami, but have always thought
that it would stiffen it too much, taking away the softness and the wrinkles
that give it its character. If you do try it, please let me know how it turns
out!

          Joseph Wu           It's your privilege as an artist to inflict
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   the pain of creativity on yourself. We can
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami you how YOU paint. There's More Than One Way
 Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.   To Do It. Have the appropriate amount of fun.
    http://www.datt.co.jp                 --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 21:23:13 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Akira Yoshizawa's Butterflies

On Mon, 17 Feb 1997 jtweres@lucent.com wrote:

=i cannot remember which book it was
=but it had a page with a color photograph
=of a collection of Butterflies all done by Akira Yoshizawa

That would be in Paul Jackson's "Classic Origami".

=?#1    is there a book by Akira Yoshizawa that contains ONLY butterflies???
=?#2    is there a single/multi-authored book that contain ONLY butterflies???

Answer to both: no, as far as I know.

          Joseph Wu           It's your privilege as an artist to inflict
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   the pain of creativity on yourself. We can
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami you how YOU paint. There's More Than One Way
 Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.   To Do It. Have the appropriate amount of fun.
    http://www.datt.co.jp                 --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 21:27:19 -0400 (AST)
From: fold4wet@juno.com (Rosalind F Joyce)
Subject: Re: New Thread - $ Roses

Old Instructions of mine for a modular $ rose that I sell most often are
in an OUSA convention collection a few years back.  I add color
petals from dismantled silk flowers while I make the $roses, since I
prefer the look of 4 -5 bills for a big bloom here and there.  Dress
them up like florist  bouquets, with stems, leaves, ferns, baby's
breath, etc.  Wrap the mess in mylar.  Try a slight touch of glitter
spray, ribbon streamers,etc.  The results are great for the 'ego file.'

It's also fairly easy to adapt techniques of ribbon folding and twisting
to dollars bills.  Just improvise.

If I'm not mistaken, Dorothy Kaplan submitted some $rose directions to
the OUSA book around the same time.

Money is such nice stuff to play with - almost as much fun as the other
weird 'papers' that hold up the bed.            RosJoyce





Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 22:48:26 -0400 (AST)
From: Cathy Palmer-Lister <cathypl@generation.net>
Subject: Re: Akira Yoshizawa's Butterflies

At 03:17 PM 1997-02-17 -0400, you wrote:
>to origami practitioners,,,
>
>i cannot remember which book it was
>but it had a page with a color photograph
>of a collection of Butterflies all done by Akira Yoshizawa
>
>?#1    is there a book by Akira Yoshizawa that contains ONLY butterflies???
>
>?#2    is there a single/multi-authored book that contain ONLY butterflies???
>
>
>  /-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-///plieur de papier\\\-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\
> /=-= jack thomas weres                         jtweres@lucent.com =-=\
>/=======================\\\================///=========================\
>"Let Go and Let Fold"                             "One Crease At A Time"
>
>You could be thinking of Paul Jackson's Classic Origami.

                                                                        Cathy





Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 00:26:13 -0400 (AST)
From: Kenny1414@aol.com
Subject: Re: OUSA Magazine The Paper

I picked up "The Paper", issue 57, Winter 1996, from my post office box on
Feb 10, 1997, Monday. Is this the issue you're talking about?





Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 02:43:27 -0400 (AST)
From: Tim Heil <teach@ezl.com>
Subject: Re: PDF and dollar bill diagrams

        I've downloaded James Sakoda's PDF diagrams and was quite pleased,
both with the diagrams and with the small storage space required.

        Now I'm somewhat puzzled, though.  I've downloaded other PDF files
of about the same visual complexity, including some from the Origami
Archives, and found them to be much larger (file size, that is).  To be
fair, some have also been comparably small. Is it possible that PDF file
size is a function of not only the format but the method/program used to
create them?  In other words, do some drawing programs use more efficient
graphics functions or is Dr. Sakoda more skillful at creating diagrams with
a minimum of extraneous (or invisible, as in layers) detail?

        I've converted some origami diagrams from PDF to Gif in order to
conserve disk space.  The image quality suffers, but for my personal use (as
opposed to public distribution) that isn't too much of a problem.  Dr.
Sakoda's files are among the ones that I won't convert because they're
already quite compact.

        Anyone else have any thoughts or observations on this?

        BTW, I was pleased to see the updated SST paper airplane (SST_96).
It's  unusual to find a model that not only looks good, but flies well, too.
I don't mean to slight any of the other paper airplane folders on the list
who have designed/published airplane models but I haven't seen or folded
them all yet. (sigh .. so many airplanes, so little time).
----------------------------------------------------------------
|| Tim Heil                || "This is the sort of language   ||
|| (teach@ezl.com)         || up with which I will not put"   ||
||                         ||   --- Sir Winston Churchill     ||





Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 04:38:48 -0400 (AST)
From: Maarten van Gelder <M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: [NO] 8BIT causes problems on the list

Since I had that postpone problem I'm subscribed via two accounts on two
different computer systems. And so it appeared that I didn't get some messages
you sent to the list (and couldn't archive them).
Our postmaster forwarded some messages to me that contained 8BIT characters,
and so were refused by our mailhost.

The problem is:

When sending a message the sender starts a connection with a
mailhost/receiver. The sender may tell the receiver that the message contains
8bit characters. If it does there is no problem, because the receiver knows
how to handle that. But if the sender tells it will send an ordinary ASCII
message (normal characters) and there is an 8bit character (with an accent)
in the message the receiver has a problem.
In the past most receivers just accepted that character and sent the message
on. But nowadays more and more receivers don't accept the message and return
an error. And I think they are right, because it is not in the mail protocol.
And there are other ways to send 8bit info.

I've tried this with NetScape mail. NetScape mail has two options: 8bit and
MIME. If you set 8bit and send a message with an 8bit character it is refused
by the SMTP host mailhost.rug.nl. But when you send the same message in MIME
mode it is accepted.

So if you can, set your mailer in MIME mode.

I'm not sure who may cause this problem, but one thing is sure. When your
mailer behaves in this bad manner, I don't receive your message and can't
archive it. And I don't like that.

Maarten van Gelder,           Rekencentrum RuG,  RijksUniversiteit Groningen
M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl                         Nederland





Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 08:57:47 -0400 (AST)
From: Zachary Brown <zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu>
Subject: article about different clear papers

Someone named Kevin took a little time and tried folding from different
kinds of clear plastics that are available around town. I'm trying to
track this person down to ask them some questions about that work. Can
anyone help me in my search? An email address would be ideal.

Zack





Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:59:36 -0400 (AST)
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: [NO] 8BIT causes problems on the list

Maarten van Gelder asked who might be causing the problem with 8 bit
message transmissions.  Although I am not very expert on this particular
subject, I know that there are several conventions used to handle accents
(and the cedille) in the French speaking world.  At least one of them
(the ISO Latin convention?) requires 8 bit transmission.  The easiest
solution, of course, is to simply leave off all the accents, which makes
the French only a bit more difficult to read.   (I've heard this practice
criticized for the supposed increase in spelling errors among French
computer scientists!?)

                                  ciao,
                                  Mark

--
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|          e-mail: casida@chimcn.umontreal.ca           |





Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:03:33 -0400 (AST)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: OUSA Magazine The Paper

I have not received "The Paper"....I think I am paying for first class mail
and am most anxious to read the latest issue.  Dorigami (Dorothy Kaplan)





Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:54:43 -0400 (AST)
From: Sy Chen <sychen@leatherback.nist.gov>
Subject: Re: PDF and dollar bill diagrams

At 02:43 AM 2/18/97 -0400,  Tim Heil wrote:

>        I've converted some origami diagrams from PDF to Gif in order to
>conserve disk space.  The image quality suffers, but for my personal use (as
>opposed to public distribution) that isn't too much of a problem.  Dr.
>Sakoda's files are among the ones that I won't convert because they're
>already quite compact.
>
>        Anyone else have any thoughts or observations on this?

This could be from the new version of Adobe pdf writer or distiller. I can
not afford Acrobat 3.0 now. My simple 6 step pdf diagram can take up to 100k
disk space. My way of generating pdf diagram is using Ghostscript. What else
can you expect from freeware?

|------------------------------------------------------\
|  _     Shi-Yew Chen (a.k.a. Sy) <chens@asme.org>     |\
| |_| Folding http://www.erols.com/sychen1/pprfld.html --\





Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:32:38 -0400 (AST)
From: Carol Martinson <carolm@stpaul.stpaul.lib.mn.us>
Subject: Re: OUSA Magazine The Paper

        I, too, have not recieved my copy of The Paper.  I paid for first
class mailing, and other people in my area received theirs two weeks ago.

        Carol Martinson





Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 12:02:52 -0400 (AST)
From: Holmes David EXC IS CH <holmes@chbs.ciba.com>
Subject: Origami USA membership

Hi,

I'm going to join OUSA presently, but was wondering if I could get the
membership application form via email to start with?

Or must I send a letter all the way across the Atlantic first. 8^)

BTW, is anyone hosting the OUSA's web pages at the moment?

Thanks,

Dave

--
David M Holmes - Internet/Intranet Infrastructure, Novartis
(work)<holmes@chbs.ciba.com>
(fun) <david.holmes@bigfoot.com>
Dave's Origami <http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2162>





Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 12:11:49 -0400 (AST)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: (NON-O) Re: OUSA Magazine - The Paper

I received my copy a little while ago (I have no idea which class of mail it
went/arrived by).  But I do recall there being a glitch recently (a year or so
ago?) when the OUSA office had moved and some of their outgoing mail got
misdirected and sat around the museum somewhere for a few weeks (anyone else
remember this?).  Maybe something similar happened here, some of the outgoing
mail got/is delayed.  Just a thought.

-Doug





Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 12:07:34 -0400 (AST)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: (NON-O) Re: PDF and dollar bill diagrams

In message <1.5.4.32.19970218145125.0068b310@mailserver.nist.gov> you wrote:
+At 02:43 AM 2/18/97 -0400,  Tim Heil wrote:
+
+>        I've converted some origami diagrams from PDF to Gif in order to
+>conserve disk space.  The image quality suffers, but for my personal use (as
+>opposed to public distribution) that isn't too much of a problem.  Dr.
+>Sakoda's files are among the ones that I won't convert because they're
+>already quite compact.
+>
+>        Anyone else have any thoughts or observations on this?
+
+This could be from the new version of Adobe pdf writer or distiller. I can
+not afford Acrobat 3.0 now. My simple 6 step pdf diagram can take up to 100k
+disk space. My way of generating pdf diagram is using Ghostscript. What else
+can you expect from freeware?

Sigh.  I downloaded Acrobat for my unix workstation at work, it is
8MEGA bytes, uncompressed!  8MB!  The "average" size of a postscript
file from the origami archives is well under 100K, though there are a
few that are slightly more.  If you 'compress'/pkzip/stuffit them, the
biggest shrink down to about 50K (typical compression of 60-70%, i.e.
compressed file is 30-40% of original).  8Mb = 8192K, but lets be
generous to Acrobat and call it 8000K.  That's 160 files of PostScript
(being less generous to PostScript) and I've only accounted for the
READER!  The printers I have access to are all PostScript, so I have no
extra space requirement for interpreting the files.  But ghostscript
and its associated files for the same workstation are about 4500K,
which still leaves me 3500K ahead, or 70 postscript files!  (there
about 130 .ps files at the origami FTP archive, for comparison).

130 PDF files + Reader        = 130*10K + 8000K =  9130K
130 PostScript files          = 130*50K         =  6500K
130 PostScript files + reader = 130*50K + 4500K = 11000K

So, lets look at the entire picture, not JUST the size of one file.

In order to view my _first_ PDF file, I had to download 4.5MEGAbytes of
compressed reader.

After that, only 10-30K / file.

Acrobat wins in the long run, but if you have (access to) a postscript
printer, it doesn't win for quite a while.

-Doug





Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:33:34 -0400 (AST)
From: Jan_Polish@colpal.com (Jan Polish)
Subject: OrigamiUSA Convention '97

     Since there have been recent questions and comments on the list about
     our convention, it's probably time to let non-members know the
     particulars (members see reminders in every issue of The Paper). This
     year's convention will be held June 27 through 30th, in New York City
     at the Fashion Institute of Technology. Forms will be mailed in April.
     Friday 6/27 is an open house in the evening. Saturday 6/28 and Sunday
     6/29 will be normal "learn new models" days, with 5 time periods each
     day and about 25 classrooms open. Monday 6/30 will be another
     "Techniques Day" where the emphasis will shift from models to
     techniques. Yes, the convention is open only to members. If you send a
     stamped (with 2 stamps) self-addressed envelope to OrigamiUSA, 15 W.
     77 Street, New York, NY 10024, or call our office at (212) 769-5635
     they will send information about membership.

     We have received exciting news. Akira Yoshizawa has definitely
     accepted our invitation to attend the convention! We are finalizing
     arrangements, and will keep the list up-to-date.

     We are working on our website, and hope to have at least a shell
     available in time for the convention forms. If you have any questions
     or comments, please feel free to contact me at jan_polish@colpal.com.

     Jan





Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:57:32 -0400 (AST)
From: Holmes David EXC IS CH <holmes@chbs.ciba.com>
Subject: RE: OrigamiUSA Convention '97

>      techniques. Yes, the convention is open only to members. If you send a
>      stamped (with 2 stamps) self-addressed envelope to OrigamiUSA, 15 W.
>      77 Street, New York, NY 10024, or call our office at (212) 769-5635
>      they will send information about membership.

Does it matter what size the envelope is, and should I include two
International Reply Coupons?

Dave

--
David M Holmes - Internet/Intranet Infrastructure, Novartis
(work)<holmes@chbs.ciba.com>
(fun) <david.holmes@bigfoot.com>
Dave's Origami <http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2162>





Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 16:15:14 -0400 (AST)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: PDF and dollar bill diagrams

>        I've downloaded James Sakoda's PDF diagrams and was quite pleased,
>both with the diagrams and with the small storage space required.
>
>        Now I'm somewhat puzzled, though.  I've downloaded other PDF files
>of about the same visual complexity, including some from the Origami
>Archives, and found them to be much larger (file size, that is).  To be
>fair, some have also been comparably small. Is it possible that PDF file
>size is a function of not only the format but the method/program used to
>create them?  In other words, do some drawing programs use more efficient
>graphics functions or is Dr. Sakoda more skillful at creating diagrams with
>a minimum of extraneous (or invisible, as in layers) detail?
>
>        I've converted some origami diagrams from PDF to Gif in order to
>conserve disk space.  The image quality suffers, but for my personal use (as
>opposed to public distribution) that isn't too much of a problem.  Dr.
>Sakoda's files are among the ones that I won't convert because they're
>already quite compact.
>
>        Anyone else have any thoughts or observations on this?
>
>        BTW, I was pleased to see the updated SST paper airplane (SST_96).
>It's  unusual to find a model that not only looks good, but flies well, too.
>I don't mean to slight any of the other paper airplane folders on the list
>who have designed/published airplane models but I haven't seen or folded
>them all yet. (sigh .. so many airplanes, so little time).
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>|| Tim Heil                || "This is the sort of language   ||
>|| (teach@ezl.com)         || up with which I will not put"   ||
>||                         ||   --- Sir Winston Churchill     ||
>----------------------------------------------------------------

Tim, I'm glad that you brought the point up about the small size of my pdf
files on
http://idt.net/~kittyv  .  Most of them run about 17k.  I received a couple
of files in pdf form from Mark Y. McKinnon with about the same complexity
which required 50k.  I suspect that the method of creation is the cause of
it.  I used Canvas, a drawing program to create the diagrams and then
stored them as epsf and used Adobe's Distiller to convert them to pdf.
Distiller is one of the programs that was included in the new Adobe Acrobat
3.0 package.  It is a little puzzling because storage in epsf form required
83k for the Pushmi-Pullyu in Canvas format and 99k in epsf.  It appears
that Distiller is more efficient than the method Mark used.  We need to
hear from Mark what method he used.  Was it Freehand 7?  I just ordered
Freehand 7.0 as a competitive update for about $150 from MacConnection, and
will test it out.  Try folding the Pushmi-Pullyu and let me know how you
like it.  James M. Sakoda





Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 16:51:44 -0400 (AST)
From: Vincent & Veronique <osele@worldnet.fr>
Subject: Re: PDF and dollar bill diagrams

Hello,

>         I've downloaded James Sakoda's PDF diagrams and was quite pleased,
> both with the diagrams and with the small storage space required.
>         Now I'm somewhat puzzled, though.  I've downloaded other PDF files
> of about the same visual complexity, including some from the Origami
> Archives, and found them to be much larger (file size, that is).  To be
> fair, some have also been comparably small. Is it possible that PDF file
> size is a function of not only the format but the method/program used to
> create them?  In other words, do some drawing programs use more efficient
> graphics functions or is Dr. Sakoda more skillful at creating diagrams with
> a minimum of extraneous (or invisible, as in layers) detail?

I used PS2PDF (which is free) to convert PS containing text and
bitmap to a PDF file.
The original was in frmaemaker:    small
The PS file is big, normal it's text file with all page
and layout informations in text
The corresponding PDF is 5 time bigger than the PS !!!

(But it's free)

Vincent

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|       | Osele Vincent (Toulouse/France) Membre du MFPP    /|    |
|       | osele@worldnet.fr                                /_|    |
|       | http://www.worldnet.fr/~osele/origami.htm       |       |
|_______| -----------------> ORIGAMI -------------------> |_______|
