




Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 18:53:20 -0400 (AST)
From: Pat Slider <slider@stonecutter.com>
Subject: Re: Japanese package wrapping

There are some good diagrams for this wrapping method in the book "Gift
Wrapping: Creative Ideas From Japan," by Kunio Ekiguchi.

I think this topic was one of my first questions for the list about a year
ago. There were a number of good responses that can still be found in the
archives. (I believe Carol Hall pointed me to the title above in an offline
message.) Most notably, someone, I can't remember who, said that this method
of "wrapping on a slant" is akin to  the method used to wrap up deli purchases.

I am happy to say that I think I finally mastered this technique last
Christmas. Highly recommended when using gift wrap that you really want to
cut into squares later. Or for giftees who like to carefully conserve the
paper for future reuse. (A relation of mine still occasionally turns up with
a gift wrapped in paper from the 60s. But I am guessing that this is an
extreme example of recycling giftwrap :->.) Anyway, this wrapping method
only requires a single piece of tape!

I would like to point out that wrapping gifts this way seems to take the fun
out of the unwrapping experience for some people. It's too easy and fast to
open these packages -- no excuse for all that ripping and tearing. So I
really would recommend the traditional oodles-of-tape method for some gifts,
especially those for children :->.

pat slider.
slider@stonecutter.com

At 05:56 PM 1/31/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>My husband sent me the following query, so I am passing it on to the
>list.  Can anyone help
>
>       --  Jeannine
>
>Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 15:43:35 -0500 (EST)
>From: Allan Wechsler
>To: j9
>Subject: Package wrapping
>
>
>Perhaps you can ask the Japanese people on Origami-L.  My boss David
>Katsuki says that storekeepers in Japan wrap packages in a completely
>different way than it is done here.  He tried to demonstrate but I
>didn't really get the idea.  Even rectangular packages are placed on
>rectangular paper at a slant; the result is asymmetrical but with
>interesting esthetic and possibly structural properties David couldn't
>verbalize.
>
>Can you elicit a brief monograph on Japanese package-wrapping
>practice?
>
>-A





Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 21:09:04 -0400 (AST)
From: Jennifer Andre <JAndre@cfipro.com>
Subject: FIP (Folding in Public)

     Hey!  If the Knitters' list can have true stories of "KIP" (Knitting
     in Public), can't we have our own tales of "FIP?"  Or maybe even
     "OIP"...  ;-)

     In response to Dorigami's request for information about how we use
     origami:

     At home, I fold to relax, especially while I'm watching TV.  Most of
     these models become gifts.  A few stay with me and help increase my
     valuable dust collection.  :-)

     At work, I "FIP" mostly in meetings (with permission, of course).
     Origami helps me keep my mouth safely shut!  The models go on display
     in and about my cubicle.  So far, I've had no complaints from the
     "Adminisphere" about overcrowding in my workspace.

     Thanks, Dorigami, for asking!

     - Jennifer
     JAndre@cfipro.com
     Portland, Oregon, USA

     Fold it, ergo sum.





Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 21:38:03 -0400 (AST)
From: notbob@tessellation.com (Robert Allan Schwartz)
Subject: Polyhedra

Anyone interested in making polyhedra, and/or interested in what you can
fold from long thin paper strips, might want to look at:

"Build Your Own Polyhedra", by Peter Hilton and Jean Pedersen

I believe I bought my copy from Dale Seymour Publications.

Robert

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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 22:30:00 -0400 (AST)
From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@pb.net>
Subject: Re: Origami Sighting/Gratuitous Self-Plug

Hey fold people!

        OK, I was hoping someone ELSE would mention this, because it's
kinda arrogant to draw attention to it myslef, but there's an origami
sighting in the February issue of Yankee Magazine.  It's on page 22 in
their "New England Sampler" section, and it's about yours truly!  The blurb
is titled "Origami Man" and talks about how I do origami-math at the Univ.
of Rhode Island.  The author managed to not mangle the math terms, but the
text is rampant with hair-raising sentances like, "Tom can not only make a
butterfly out of a dollar bill in seconds, but he's also an ace at opening
a travel map."  Gack!
        But check it out, if you can. (I don't know if Yankee Magazine -
a little journal about things New Englandish - is distributed nationally.)
There's a nifty color photo of myself with my 810-piece Buckyball-type
sphere (with a perfect 3-coloring!) and the Hull/Ow 5 Intersecting Tetrahedra.
Fun!

---------- Tom "prostitute for PR" Hull
            hull@math.uri.edu

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 22:29:43 -0400 (AST)
From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@pb.net>
Subject: Re: Origami Sighting/Gratuitous Self-Plug

Hey fold people!

        OK, I was hoping someone ELSE would mention this, because it's
kinda arrogant to draw attention to it myslef, but there's an origami
sighting in the February issue of Yankee Magazine.  It's on page 22 in
their "New England Sampler" section, and it's about yours truly!  The blurb
is titled "Origami Man" and talks about how I do origami-math at the Univ.
of Rhode Island.  The author managed to not mangle the math terms, but the
text is rampant with hair-raising sentances like, "Tom can not only make a
butterfly out of a dollar bill in seconds, but he's also an ace at opening
a travel map."  Gack!
        But check it out, if you can. (I don't know if Yankee Magazine -
a little journal about things New Englandish - is distributed nationally.)
There's a nifty color photo of myself with my 810-piece Buckyball-type
sphere (with a perfect 3-coloring!) and the Hull/Ow 5 Intersecting Tetrahedra.
Fun!

---------- Tom "prostitute for PR" Hull
            hull@math.uri.edu

Hey, Good for you and origami. I'll see if I can rustle up a copy of Yankee
Magazine.

I know all about cringing at what journalists print about your work.
Recently, a local paper did a nice article and picture of our LIFE
group and then quoted me as saying that I approved of cuts "if they
are exquisite." Tony Cheng gave me quite a ribbing about that one. He
asked me to explain just what exquisite cuts are. He and the rest of
you know what I meant.

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 23:00:26 -0400 (AST)
From: Jean Villemaire <boyer@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: News from Origami-Montreal

paular@pdp.usu.edu wrote:
>
> > Come and visit us.  There's no shoveling to do in our pages.
>
> I'd love to.  What's the URL?

Sorry about that.  I guess I would definitely have to take my first coffee
BEFORE writing...  And I know I drink too much of that stuff since this last
month's wwWWWWWWW thread might have revealed.  (Gosh!  Still haven't heard
nothing more from Eva Jantschek than her two "ww"...)

Origami-Montreal can be found at:

http://tornade.ere.umontreal.ca/~gonzalep/origami.html

As one of our experts pointed out, the actual format of the diagrams is EPSF
(encapsulated postscript file) generated by FreeHand 4.0. They are not PDF.
They should print fine if sent to a postscript printer though (one migth need
to add a showpage command at the end of the file).  Yet, I am not familiar
with Acrobat. Perhaps Acrobat is able to read raw ESPF files (this would not
surprize me since both format were created by the same company)?

Jean Villemaire
Montreal, QUEBEC
boyer@videotron.ca





Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 23:34:10 -0400 (AST)
From: Mike and Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: NewComer

Dimmis wrote:
> I try to contact BOS so to give me a list of shops that sells
> this kind of paper, but so far I had no answer. So if anyone knows, just
> let me know. I travel a lot to London, so I will get plenty of paper as
> soon as I go there again.
> Thats my story of Origami

Here's a list of UK sources:

Paper Chase, 213 Tottenham Court Road

Faulkners Fine Papers 76 Southampton Row wc1 (superb Japanese papers
etc.)

Books Nippon
64-66 St. Paul's Churchyard, London EC4M 8AA
(0171) 248 4956
nearest tube: St. Pauls
At St. Pauls  Churchyard, just beside St. Pauls
Cathedral and St. Pauls tube station.

Muji had a branch on the Carnaby St. side of Liberty, Covent Garden

Liberty, located on Regent St.

Mitsukiki is in varous places

John Maxfield
93 Broadway
Mill Hill
London
NW7 3TG

Japan Centre Bookshop, 212, Piccadilly, LONDON W1V 9LD
[115 Picadilly given as addr by someone else]
(0171) 439 8035
nearest tube: Piccadilly

A bookstore opposite the British Museum, Probsthain & Co.
Oriental booksellers, 41 Great Russell St near Tottenham Ct Rd,
which carried origami books.

Dover bookshop in London. It's at 18, Earlham Street, WC2H 9LN.
close to Covent Garden, around the corner from Neal Street
East, between Cambridge circus (at the junction of Charing
Cross Road and Shaftesbury Avenue) and Seven Dials (in Monmouth
Street).

Neale Street East   Neale Street - also close to Covent Garden

Paper ??  Exhibition Road, nr. Science Museum

Hatchards in Piccadilly

Book Ends
1-3 Exhibition Road, South Kensington, LONDON SW7 2HE
(0171) 589 2285
nearest tube: South Kensington

Foyles - Charing Cross Rd

Asahiya at the Yaohan Plaza on Edgeware Rd near Colindale Underground
Stn

Janet Hamilton

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Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 00:07:05 -0400 (AST)
From: Pam and/or Namir <pgraben@umich.edu>
Subject: NO.  Derek, can you here me?

Sorry about the non-origami content all...

This is for Derek Stottlemyer.  I can't send you email.  Is your system
still down?  The address I'm using is derek@stottlemyer.com
Gimmee a sign if yer okay!

-Namir





Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 01:22:12 -0400 (AST)
From: Mark Morden <marmonk@eskimo.com>
Subject: Re: Japanese package wrapping

This was posted in the origami-l list on December 24, 1995.  It was from
Carol Hall and describes the "deli wrap" folding method for packages.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Funny you should ask about this.  Just today I was carefully unwrapping and
wrapping the boxes which I got so wrapped in Japan a couple of years ago.
(This is how I am - no time to figure out or diagram, so just save the box
complete with wrapping paper!)

Each of my boxes started out a little differently, presumably due to the
size and/or shape of the box. (My recollection is that the clerks in the
stores just had a stack of flat paper and did up everything from the same
size.  Of course, everything I bought was small enough for a crowded suitcase.)

Let's see how I do at describing this.  Start the paper out with a corner
pointing to your stomach.  Place the box long side parallel to the edge of
the table and bring that lower corner up to about the midpoint of the box.
Everything will be asymmetrical if you are using rectangular boxes and
paper.  Now bring the right side of the paper up and over the box, arranging
the folded bottom edge to correspond with the edges of the box.  You will
have extra paper that needs to go the the inside.  Let it arrange itself
into pleats.  Some of my boxes have a small piece of tape to hold this
corner together.

Now, holding the bottom and side of the box, flip it over away from you,
making sure that the paper under the box is aligning with the box edge. Now
fold the left side of the paper over the box.  Then the top of the paper
down from the top.  If there is a point sticking over the edge, fold it
under.  One piece of tape at this last step is all that is required.

Hope I haven't confused you entirely.  Basically it is fold bottom, then
right side; flip the box; fold left side, then top.  All the extra paper is
smushed into pleats on the inside.  I think the key is that original
placement of the box on the paper.  Unfortunately I haven't practiced this
enough to really know how to adjust it - and don't know that I'd be able to
describe it anyway.

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Hope this is what you were looking for.

Mark

Mark Morden == marmonk@mail.eskimo.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~marmonk/
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Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 08:42:46 -0400 (AST)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: BOS supplies on-line-ish

Hi all,

just a note to say the complete BOS supplies catalogue is now available
from the BOS web site. You have to print the order form & reply by snail
mail, but it's a start. There's also one or two more "over-the-phone"
folds available.

all the best,

Nick Robinson

personal email  nick@cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
work mail       nick@rpmrecords.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.cheesypeas.demon.co.uk
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk





Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 17:01:03 -0400 (AST)
From: Doris.L@t-online.de (Doris Lauinger)
Subject: Origami in Lisboa

Hello,
is there any Portuguese origamian who can help me?
Next week I'll stay in Lisboa (Baixa) for 5 days. As usual I'll be looking for
paper and origami books.
Does you know some good addresses?

Muito obrigada

Doris





Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 01:13:56 -0400 (AST)
From: PenneyA@aol.com
Subject: Re: New Thread

I took a workshop for one week for my job.  There were about 13 of us so I
folded a rose for each participant and the instructors.  One guy exchanged my
origami rose for a real one.  That was a nice surprise.  I make them at work
too, I was the only one in the plant who folded until two pipefitters
actually wanted to learn.  One of them caught on so fast, he made a Lang ant
after only learning a few models.  So the big question is this: if a
pipefitter can fold great origami models, can an origamist be a great
pipefitter?
                            Penney





Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 01:21:28 -0400 (AST)
From: Pagina Espirita <gl@artnet.com.br>
Subject: Re: Origami in Lisboa

> Date:          Sat, 1 Feb 1997 17:01:48 -0400 (AST)
> Reply-to:      origami-l@nstn.ca
> From:          Doris.L@t-online.de (Doris Lauinger)
> To:            Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject:       Origami in Lisboa

> Hello,
> is there any Portuguese origamian who can help me?
> Next week I'll stay in Lisboa (Baixa) for 5 days. As usual I'll be
> looking for paper and origami books. Does you know some good addresses?
>
> Muito obrigada
>
> Doris
>
        Nao um origamista de Portugal, mas do Brasil que te escreve:
bom saber que ha' alguem por aqui que fala a minha lingua.
        So para manter contato!
        Abracos,
                     Frederico Lopes
                     gl@artnet.com.br





Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 01:22:16 -0400 (AST)
From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@fantasyfarm.com>
Subject: Re: Polyhedra

On 31 Jan 97 at 21:38, Robert Allan Schwartz wrote:

> Anyone interested in making polyhedra, and/or interested in what you can
> fold from long thin paper strips, might want to look at:
>
> "Build Your Own Polyhedra", by Peter Hilton and Jean Pedersen

If you are interested in a copy of this, it is easy to get: just browse
over to http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=020149096X

  /bernie\
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bernie@fantasyfarm.com            Pearisburg, VA
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Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 11:13:26 -0400 (AST)
From: Mark <mark@gilchrist.demon.co.uk>
Subject: How I got started in Origami

Well everyone else seems to have done one of these so I suppose it's my
turn now!

I remember trying Origami when I was very young (a mere tadpole in fact)
but giving up with the flapping bird because I couldn't do the petal fold
to create the bird base.  After this I stuck to typical little boy type
origami, and made simple paper darts to throw at my brother :-)

School held a fete when I was about 13 or 14 and I found a copy of Origami
2 by Robert Harbin.  I think my reprint was called "More Origami" but its
been through so much hassle it has no cover now!  In fact it is more like a
collection of booklets than an actual book now!!!!!!!

Anyway I have folded on and off since then.  I am now in my very early
thirties (that will upset a few people!) and have been a member of the BOS
for about 2 years (see recent postings for what the letters mean!).  I have
an increasing library of books and booklets...but what folder doesn't?  My
favoutite books are A-Z, BRILLiant Origami, and probably Origami made easy
(Kasahara)-also becoming a collection of booklets.  I attempt some of the
more difficult folds (eg Lang, Montroll, Brill) but get fed up when I see
"repeat steps 11-97 on the other 7 flaps" :-)

NOTE THE SMILEY!!!! I don't want flaming as all this paper is flammable!

Most of my folding is done at work, being in the form of simple folds while
the pupils I teach are doing tests etc.  I used to try the big folds at
home but then Penny Groom (Hi Penny!) introduced me to this mailing list.

So ..... that's me.  A folder, a juggler and a chemist.

Be seeing you!

Mark

..Folding the Universe, but having trouble with a closed sink to produce a
black hole





Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 12:19:35 -0400 (AST)
From: Dimmis <bleu@epsilon.enet.gr>
Subject: Re: Newcomer

Thanx a lot for this comprehensive list. I will surely visit some of them
so to get lots of paper, and who knows, maybe I will find some books there
as well, so to make my bibliography bigger.

Thanx again

Dimmis





Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 15:43:05 -0400 (AST)
From: Fold4wet@aol.com
Subject: Re: Polyhedra

Bernie:

What's "Fantasy Fibers?"  Is it good stuff to fold in large quantities?





Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 19:36:15 -0400 (AST)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Origami Omnibus not available

Last week it was noted that BrowserBooks.com, an on-line book store, was
offering "Origami Omnibus."  Sure enough, the book appears to be available
based on the information at the website, however, when I placed an order the
following response was received:

Dear Steve,

According to our records, Origami Omnibus is currently out of stock at
the publishers, with no plans to reprint in the near future, which
probably explains why you've been having such a hard time locating it.
You might want to contact us in a couple of months to see if the stauts
of the book has changed. Thanks for your message.

Sincerely,

S. Mullin
Browser Books

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Just my $.02!

Steve Woodmansee
stevew@empnet.com
Bend, Oregon





Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 06:32:16 -0400 (AST)
From: Dan Johnson <D.Johnson@chemistry.leeds.ac.uk>
Subject: Origamists that are juggling chemists

Hello everybody in paper land.......

Mark (mark@gilchrist.demon.co.uk) quoted...

"So ..... that's me.  A folder, a juggler and a chemist."

Very bizarre.....myself and two of my friends are also folders, jugglers and
chemists (all totally independently of each other).   Is this a common trait ???
I know that there are a few people on the list who are two of these..... but all
three!  Someone must know something we dont.......

Mark, if you fly kites and ride a unicycle as well... i'll start to panic!!

Laters......Dan





Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 12:33:18 -0400 (AST)
From: Matthias Gutfeldt <tanjit@bboxbbs.ch>
Subject: How I Got Started Letter

Hi, fellow Origamists.

My name is Matthias Gutfeldt. Penny Groom and Zack Brown have led me to
the origami-l about two weeks ago, and I have been lurking since. Now I
think it is time to introduce myself with a How I Got Started Letter.

Although it isn't such a long time ago, I don't remember why I got
interested in Origami. I think a friend of mine mentioned a crane she
once knew how to fold, but that she had forgotten how. I have always
been interested in paper folding (mainly airplanes for my daughter), and
the idea of folding a bird, although it probably wouldn't fly very well,
was fascinating.
So one day in November last year, I grabbed my 4 1/2 year old daughter
and said "Let's buy a book about paper animals". She was very
enthusiastic, of course, so we went to the local book store and bought
our first Origami book: "Spiel und Spass mit Origami. Verrueckte Ideen
fuer Gross und Klein" (translates to "Fun and games with Origami. Crazy
Ideas for big and small."), edited by Paulo Mulatinho. It was the
perfect start. The diagrams were very clear, the models were easy to
fold (the most complex one took 10 steps to complete), and -what my
daughter liked best- they were perfect to play with! 
Our favourite model was and still is the "Talking Crow" by Makoto
Yemaguchi. I had to fold a whole family, from a big daddy crow to a 
tiny baby crow, and when the Talking Crow Family got in a fight with 
the Barking Dog Family... chaos :-).
Well, after this good start I thought Origami was easy. I bought another
book. Folded more "complex" things like the crane, a frog, etc. Even
stuff that was as complex as a pig, which took 23 steps to complete!
Then I got over-confident and picked up Peter Engels "Folding the
Universe" at the library....
Only then I realized that I had seen nothing yet. The models were so
beautiful,
I thought I would never again fold those simple two-coloured paper jobs.
Well, after 5 hours work to complete the alligator I realized I wasn't
quite ready to fold the universe just now. Until I am, I will keep 
cluttering my daughter's room with talking crows, jumping kangaroos,
and little pink piggies...

So long, Matthias





Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 10:21:59 -0400 (AST)
From: "P.F.C. Blondel" <blondel@sara.nl>
Subject: Re: [NO] Missing messages (in the archives)

> They (??) did it again: put me on postpone. I've subscribed on two accounts
> on different systems. And they are both postponed on the same time. Of course

> now I've set them back to ACK.
> But the archives are missing messages from date January 15 up to and
> including January 22. Anyone who saved these?
>
> Maarten van Gelder,           Rekencentrum RuG,  RijksUniversiteit Groningen
> M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl                         Nederland

   Maarten,

I got thrown off too. The last message I got is
-Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:55:56 -0400 (AST)
-From: DORIGAMI@aol.com

and the first (after subscribing again) is
-Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 10:51:52 -0400 (AST)
-From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>

My first message of the 23rd (i.e. 63 messages later) is
-Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 00:00:31 -0400 (AST)
-From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>

Another strange thing is that I have not received any messages since
-Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 13:13:00 -0400 (AST)
-From: Sheldon Ackerman <ackerman@dorsai.dorsai.org>
although I am still subscribed to the list, so this message is also
a test to see if the list still operates.

  Peter Blondel





Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 13:01:18 -0400 (AST)
From: dzimm@comedy.widget.com (Dave Zimmerman)
Subject: Re: Origami Omnibus not available

from 'Steve Woodmansee'
>
> Last week it was noted that BrowserBooks.com, an on-line book store, was
> offering "Origami Omnibus."  Sure enough, the book appears to be available
> based on the information at the website, however, when I placed an order the
> following response was received:
>
> Dear Steve,
>
> According to our records, Origami Omnibus is currently out of stock at
> the publishers, with no plans to reprint in the near future, which
> probably explains why you've been having such a hard time locating it.
> You might want to contact us in a couple of months to see if the stauts
> of the book has changed. Thanks for your message.
>

I've been getting that answer from book stores for several years.

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Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 18:13:30 -0400 (AST)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Re: Origami Omnibus

I've received a few e-mails to the effect that Origami Omnibus has been
unavailable for some time now.  I am aware of this.  The reason for my post
regarding BrowserBooks is that they briefly DID have a few precious copies
and were selling them apparently.  Someone was kind enough to let me know,
and now I'm letting everyone else know, they no longer have any copies.
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Just my $.02!

Steve Woodmansee
stevew@empnet.com
Bend, Oregon





Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 18:52:40 -0400 (AST)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Folding modulars with slick/slippery paper.

Steve Woodmansee wrote:
+I have undertaken a couple of projects along the lines of candy wrappers and
+other non-traditional origami papers.  I'll pass along two tips that have
+helped me:
+
+        1.      Iron the paper.  It gets rid of the wrinkles and if you cool
+it afterwards (yes, in the fridge) it is a little easier to
+fold with.

An interesting idea.  However, I don't keep an iron in my office, and I would
prefer to find something that wouldn't require that much preparation.  I'll
file this away for future projects though, thanks!

+        2.      Use paper clips.  (this ought to get me flamed for days).
+Sometimes floppy papers are very hard to build modulars with,
+but ironically the completed model holds together pretty well.

I have used these once and regretted it:  The leave marks in the paper, and if
you aren't careful, you can tear or puncture the paper getting them off.

Valeria Vann wrote:
+I, too have used paperclips for modulars. Also used sticky notes to
+temporarily hold a modular while under construction.

Yes, I have tried "Post-It Notes" for the Butterfly Ball, but I find they give
way a bit too easily...

Steve Woodmansee wrote:
+How's your project going?

Currently it isn't, since I haven't found/invented a useful unit/model yet.
I did try the Mosley "opposite corners" business card folds, but the paper
is too wobbly, though the aspect ratio of the paper seems close enough that it
would otherwise prally work.

Oh, that and I have to be careful that the cleaning staff doesn't remove my
stash of paper!

-Doug





Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 19:16:20 -0400 (AST)
From: halgall@netverk.com.ar
Subject: Messages January 15 up to 22

Hi all,

If anyone wish any messages of that days I save all, and I save the messages
all January.
Please, tell me,

Happy Folding!!!

Patricia Gallo
halgall@netverk.com.ar





Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 19:21:44 -0400 (AST)
From: Lisa.Hodsdon/McDougal/hmco@Owl.nstn.ca
Subject: Re: Folding modulars with slick/slippery paper.

Doug Philips wrote:
<snipping why paperclips are bad>
>Valeria Vann wrote:
>+I, too have used paperclips for modulars. Also used sticky notes to
>+temporarily hold a modular while under construction.
>
>Yes, I have tried "Post-It Notes" for the Butterfly Ball, but I find they give
>way a bit too easily...

Try removable tape. Here at the office we use Scotch brand "Removable
Magic Tape." It's stickier than Post-it Notes and doesn't leave adhesive
on *most* papers if it isn't left on for more than a couple of days (and
isn't run through a photocopier---not generally a problem with origami).
You can buy it at most office supply stores & if you ever do paste up
you'll wonder how you ever lived without it.

Using tape, I quickly put together one of Jeannine's business card
modulars that had been sitting in pieces on my desk for months
because I couldn't get it back together using just my hands.

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 19:34:39 -0400 (AST)
From: Mark <mark@gilchrist.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Origamists that are juggling chemists

>
>Mark, if you fly kites and ride a unicycle as well... i'll start to panic!!
>
>
I bruised my shins quite badly when I was learning to ride my Uni!!!!!!

<fx>
You are embarking on a journey.  A journey not only of sight and sound, but
also of mind....Your next stop.....The Twilight Zone!

doodedooodooo  doodedooodooo  doodedooodooo

</fx>

Mark

..Folding the Universe, but having trouble with a closed sink to produce a
black hole





Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 22:17:46 -0400 (AST)
From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@sci.fi>
Subject: Re: Origamists that are juggling chemists

On 03-Feb-97, Dan Johnson (D.Johnson@chemistry.leeds.ac.uk) wrote:
>Hello everybody in paper land.......

>Mark (mark@gilchrist.demon.co.uk) quoted...

>"So ..... that's me.  A folder, a juggler and a chemist."

>Very bizarre.....myself and two of my friends are also folders, jugglers
and
>chemists (all totally independently of each other).   Is this a common
trait
>???

>Mark, if you fly kites and ride a unicycle as well... i'll start to panic!!

I'm not a chemist, but I'm a beginner juggler (*very* beginner) and I fly
kites... Do you build your own kites?

Jorma "Drop" Oksanen
--
Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

"It's a good thing the average person doesn't realize
 the awesome destructive power of origami"              Earthworm Jim





Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 01:10:27 -0400 (AST)
From: cmorris@geko.net.au (Carmel Morris)
Subject: Re: New Thread

>I took a workshop for one week for my job.  There were about 13 of us so I
>folded a rose for each participant and the instructors.  One guy exchanged my
>origami rose for a real one.  That was a nice surprise.  I make them at work
>too, I was the only one in the plant who folded until two pipefitters
>actually wanted to learn.  One of them caught on so fast, he made a Lang ant
>after only learning a few models.  So the big question is this: if a
>pipefitter can fold great origami models, can an origamist be a great
>pipefitter?
>                            Penney

I always aspired to being a pipefitter but couldn't crack it. Felt drained
after the first hour's work.

Guess it will always be a pipe dream.

C.

---------------------------------------------
-----Carmel Morris - cmorris@geko.net.au-----
-------http://www.geko.net.au/~cmorris-------
-------------Mobile: 014 629 993-------------
---------------------------------------------
             __
            /  \-<              _|
            ====              _|
            |o o\---{       _|
            |o o \        _|
            |o o o\     _|





Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 11:17:45 -0400 (AST)
From: Mark Morden <marmonk@eskimo.com>
Subject: Jeremy's diagramming software

I have received some of the BARF newsletters and have a question.  Does
anybody know what graphics program Jeremy Shafer uses to diagram his models?
If that is not know, does anybody know Jeremy's e-mail address so that I
could ask him directly.

Thanks for your reply,

Mark

Mark Morden == marmonk@mail.eskimo.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~marmonk/
--------------------------------------------------------
I believe in Christianity as I believe that the Sun
has risen; not only because I see it, but because by it
I see everything else.
                       C.S. Lewis, "The Weight of Glory"





Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 12:04:35 -0400 (AST)
From: Holmes David EXC IS CH <holmes@chbs.ciba.com>
Subject: Diagramming generally (was RE: Jeremy's diagramming software)

> I have received some of the BARF newsletters and have a question.  Does
> anybody know what graphics program Jeremy Shafer uses to diagram his models?
> If that is not know, does anybody know Jeremy's e-mail address so that I
> could ask him directly.

Could we broaden the question, perhaps, and ask everyone which packages
they use?  I'm trying to find the most optimum/user-friendly program
with which to do my diagrams.

Concerning Adobe Acrobat: do you have to use another drawing package
then use Distiller, or is there a creator included that'll do drawings?

Dave

--
David M Holmes - Internet/Intranet Infrastructure, Novartis
(work)<holmes@chbs.ciba.com>
(fun) <david.holmes@bigfoot.com>
Dave's Origami <http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2162>





Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 12:55:15 -0400 (AST)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Diagramming generally (was RE: Jeremy's diagramming software)

+Could we broaden the question, perhaps, and ask everyone which packages
+they use?  I'm trying to find the most optimum/user-friendly program
+with which to do my diagrams.

Sure, and actually, let's include hardware info.

I use a Apple PowerBook 160, maxxed out at 14Mb of RAM.  Sadly it has no
Floating Point Unit.

I used to use the drawing package in ClarisWorks, but ended up
abandoning that whole package around version 3 because of the
WordProcessing units lack of features.  There has since been a major
upgrade to version 4, but I don't know what drawing program changes, if
any, that includes.

I have Canvas 5, but it is slower than maple syrup in the antarctic.

I have lately been playing with CADintosh, but find that it
doesn't have enough line styles, though it has a lot of nice features
that make drawing easier.  I don't notice CADintosh being slow on my
machine unless I draw rotated text and then zoom in to get a highly
magnified view of it, which I normally don't do when making origami
diagrams.

You can find CADintosh on the web via:

    http://members.aol.com/lemkesoft/index.html

-Doug





Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 13:59:55 -0400 (AST)
From: Glenda Scott <gdscott@owt.com>
Subject: Re: easy models

>Hello.  I'm doing origami with a small group of grade six kids, and I was
>wondering if you could give me some instructions for easy and intermediate
>models.
>Thanx a bunch,
>-Tabitha

If you check out this website you will find some simple origami
instructions.  Go to examples, click the picture you like, then click
directions.  These are pdf files.

Glenda Scott
http://www.owt.com/gdscott
gdscott@oneworld.owt.com





Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 13:43:20 -0400 (AST)
From: ShelleyPos@aol.com
Subject: x

information <list>





Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 14:27:45 -0400 (AST)
From: Glenda Scott <gdscott@owt.com>
Subject: Re: Diagramming generally (was RE: Jeremy's diagramming software)

>Could we broaden the question, perhaps, and ask everyone which packages
>they use?  I'm trying to find the most optimum/user-friendly program
>with which to do my diagrams.
>
>Concerning Adobe Acrobat: do you have to use another drawing package
>then use Distiller, or is there a creator included that'll do drawings?

I produce origami diagrams for my website and workshops.  I use a draw
program, FreeHand to make the diagrams.  Then I save (FreeHand uses the
term Export) as an EPS file.

I then use Acrobat 3.0 to make a pdf file.  Acrobat is a package that
contains two programs.  One program (Distiller) converts a file to a pdf
format.  The other program (Exchange) takes several pdf files and assembles
them into one file, reducing the size even more.  In short, Exchange allows
you to have one file with several 'pages'.  Example: 8 pages for 26K.

These diagrams were originally used in my workshops and easily converted
for use on the Web.

Glenda

Glenda Scott
http://www.owt.com/gdscott
gdscott@oneworld.owt.com





Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 14:41:35 -0400 (AST)
From: Pagina Espirita <gl@artnet.com.br>
Subject: Re: Origami in Lisboa

> Date:          Wed, 5 Feb 1997 05:59:52 -0400 (AST)
> Reply-to:      origami-l@nstn.ca
> From:          Dorinha Miriam Silber Schmidt Vitti <dovitti@cena.usp.br>
> To:            Multiple recipients of list <origami-l@nstn.ca>
> Subject:       Re: Origami in Lisboa

> Frederico:tamb=E9m sou do Brasil e falo portugues e estou na lista.
> Dorinha
>
Dorinha:

Que bom saber! :-)
Anotei seu endereco, e breve estaremos conversando.
Aquele abraco,
                     Fred

****** PAGINA ESPIRITA ******
O Espiritismo na Internet
http://www.artnet.com.br/~gl
E-mail: gl@artnet.com.br





Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 14:48:27 -0400 (AST)
From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
Subject: Re: Origamists that are juggling chemists

Dan,

At 06.32 3/2/1997 -0400, you wrote:

>Very bizarre.....myself and two of my friends are also folders, jugglers and
>chemists (all totally independently of each other).

I am a folder and a chemist too....

Regretfully I don't juggle nor fly kites nor ride unicycles. But I play
table-tennis, collect steel pen nibs, and love math and word puzzles and
brainteasers...

Do I qualify for the Club ?
:-)

Roberto





Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 15:54:41 -0400 (AST)
From: hull@MATH.URI.EDU
Subject: new web page - origami math content

Hi everybody!

Well, seeing as I've been on this list since ... gee, 1987 I think ... wow!
I'm old!  Uh, anyway, it's about time I made a web page of my very
own, don't you think?

It's done!  Now, I couldn't justify the effort of learning how to do
all this web stuff unless I put such a page to good use. So...

              ANNOUNCING
    A Near-Complete Bibliography
                  of
     Origami-Math articles and pubs

     located on Tom Hull's web page:
      www.math.uri.edu/~hull

Please check it out!  I've managed to catalogue over 100 origami-math
articles.  So those of you who are origami-math fanatics can keep
yourselves busy looking for these articles!

Note:  this is a NO FRILLS web page!  It's all simple HTML.  No funny
moving graphics or any of that jazz.  It's all text and information,
so it loads in very quickly.

Please let me know if you have any suggestions - especially if you know
of an origami-math reference that I missed!  (I'm sure I missed some!)

----- Tom "shouldn't I be working on my Ph.D.?" Hull
      hull@math.uri.edu





Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 15:29:03 -0400 (AST)
From: ShelleyPos@aol.com
Subject: 1000 cranes

I am looking for 1000 cranes to have at my daughter's wedding in May. I was
hoping to have them sent from different parts of the country, all sizes and
papers. If anyone could please send a crane for this occasion it would be
great. I am hoping to send them to a Crane Peace Project after the wedding.
Thanks a lot.

ShelleyPos@aol.com

Shelley Posniewski
4 Stephen Drive
Clifton Park, New York 12065





Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 15:59:19 -0400 (AST)
From: Javier Cubero <jcubero@mailhost.magicnet.net>
Subject: Re: Origamists that are juggling chemists

> From: Robby/Laura/Lisa <morassi@zen.it>
> Date: Wednesday, February 05, 1997 1:48 PM
>
> Dan,
>
> At 06.32 3/2/1997 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >Very bizarre.....myself and two of my friends are also folders, jugglers
and
> >chemists (all totally independently of each other).
>
> I am a folder and a chemist too....
>
> Regretfully I don't juggle nor fly kites nor ride unicycles. But I play
> table-tennis, collect steel pen nibs, and love math and word puzzles and
> brainteasers...

All right, I juggle, unicycle (poorly), and fold.  I'm not a practicing
chemist, but I have a minor in chemistry, does that count??  I own several
kites although I don't fly them much (they're more the fragile collectible
Bamboo-and-rice-paper kind, and are hung up in the house).  I also do
calligraphy, although I don't collect nibs other than to write with.
I'm also avidly learning nihongo (Japanese) so that I may better enjoy and
pursue my origami and general interest in Japanese culture.

Javier Cubero
jcubero@mailhost.magicnet.net
Orlando, Fl.





Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 16:38:23 -0400 (AST)
From: Mark <mark@gilchrist.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Easy Models

My form at school are getting into Origami.  We are getting towards the end
of Ramadan and the lack of things to do at lunchtime has made them eager to
do new stuff.  So I started teaching them a few simple folds....of course
we had to steer away from pigs and such!

Anyway we have folded the flapping bird, the inflatable goldfish(!), a
mouse (by P Jackson) a stand-up heart (Megumi Biddle), Nick's Wallet
(cheers Nick!) and a couple of similar things.  We are now running short of
simple things.  They still find reverse folds difficult, so we avoid
them...and anything that take several sheets of paper (I am *very* pure ;-)
!)

So any ideas?

Mark

..Folding the Universe, but having trouble with a closed sink to produce a
black hole





Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 17:16:04 -0400 (AST)
From: Bernie Cosell <bernie@fantasyfarm.com>
Subject: Re: new web page - origami math content

Hi tom...

One bit of net-trivial that'll make things like this a bit smoother..
if you type URLs like this:

>       www.math.uri.edu/~hull

   http://www.math.uri.edu/~hull

Then most folks' mail programs [and newsreaders, etc] will recognize that
as a URL and they'll be able to go to your web page just by clicking on it
[instead of having to cut-and-paste it over to their browser]: it is not a
big deal, of course, but it is a bit more 'polished' to do the references
right.  [BTW: same thing with your email address.  If you make it:

>       hull@math.uri.edu

   mailto:hull@math.uri.edu

Then folks can send you email [again] just by clicking on the link...

As for frills, I think you should animate the links, so that when you
click on "Modulars" it unfolds or folds or something...:-)

Much of the references look interesting, but are probably virtually
impossible to unearth down here... sigh..

  /Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--





Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 17:46:01 -0400 (AST)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: new web page - origami math content

Bernie Cosell, writing in response to Tom Hull's announcement of his new web
site ( http://www.math.uri.edu/~hull ) said:

+As for frills, I think you should animate the links, so that when you
+click on "Modulars" it unfolds or folds or something...:-)

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
No!  No!  No!  No!  No!  No!  No!  No!  No!  No!  No!  No!  No!  No!  No!

There is far too much gratuitous web "animation" out there already, sheesh.
Just cause you can do something doesn't mean it isn't tacky!

+Much of the references look interesting, but are probably virtually
+impossible to unearth down here... sigh..

Yeah, I think they are going to be tough for anyone not part of the
"Math World" to locate, and probably even for some who are. :-(  But at
least we know what it is we can't find! ;-)

-Doug





Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 21:37:19 -0400 (AST)
From: "James M. Sakoda" <James_Sakoda@brown.edu>
Subject: Re: Diagramming generally (was RE: Jeremy's diagramming software)

>> I have received some of the BARF newsletters and have a question.  Does
>> anybody know what graphics program Jeremy Shafer uses to diagram his models?
>> If that is not know, does anybody know Jeremy's e-mail address so that I
>> could ask him directly.
>
>Could we broaden the question, perhaps, and ask everyone which packages
>they use?  I'm trying to find the most optimum/user-friendly program
>with which to do my diagrams.
>
>Concerning Adobe Acrobat: do you have to use another drawing package
>then use Distiller, or is there a creator included that'll do drawings?
>
>Dave
>
>--
>David M Holmes - Internet/Intranet Infrastructure, Novartis
>(work)<holmes@chbs.ciba.com>
>(fun) <david.holmes@bigfoot.com>
>Dave's Origami <http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2162>

I have used Canvas for a long time for drawing origami figures.  It has
many features, and is capable of doing what is necessary for origami
drawings, including customized dot-dash lines.  In order to get output in
PDF form I need to store it as EPSF (postscript), which is read by Adobe's
Distiller and quickly changed to PDF, which is very compact.  This can be
read and viewed and printed using Adobe Acrobat Reader.  The advantage is
not only the compact  storage, but also the accuracy with which the line
drawings and text are reproduced.  I understand that Freehand 7, the new
version, now outputs PDF, and for that reason should be the preferred
drawing program, since it is a full featured drawing program.  James M.
Sakoda.





Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 21:57:44 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: new web page - origami math content

I'll start first by congratulating Tom for making such a useful resource
available to us on the Web. Thanks, Tom!

I'll now start in on a tirade about the differences between URLs and e-mail
addresses. Stop now if you're not interested.

On Wed, 5 Feb 1997, Bernie Cosell wrote:

=One bit of net-trivial that'll make things like this a bit smoother..
=if you type URLs like this:
=
=>       www.math.uri.edu/~hull
=
=   http://www.math.uri.edu/~hull

Not an attack at Bernie, but I find it a little sad that we live in such an
"instant gratification" society that cutting and pasting a single line is too
much work...

=Then most folks' mail programs [and newsreaders, etc] will recognize that
=as a URL and they'll be able to go to your web page just by clicking on it
=[instead of having to cut-and-paste it over to their browser]: it is not a
=big deal, of course, but it is a bit more 'polished' to do the references
=right.  [BTW: same thing with your email address.  If you make it:
=
=>       hull@math.uri.edu
=
=   mailto:hull@math.uri.edu
=
=Then folks can send you email [again] just by clicking on the link...

I do take exception to the comment "do the references right". The "right" way
of doing a URL is with the proper URL type identifier at the beginning. So,
yes, "http://" at the beginning is "right". However, e-mail addresses are used
as-is. They can be turned into a URL by adding "mailto:", but the "right" way
to use an e-mail address is without that prefix. Just because some mail
programs make life easier for you by adding functionality that understands
URLs, doesn't mean that that's "right".

I'll shut up now.

          Joseph Wu           It's your privilege as an artist to inflict
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   the pain of creativity on yourself. We can
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami you how YOU paint. There's More Than One Way
 Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.   To Do It. Have the appropriate amount of fun.
    http://www.datt.co.jp                 --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 00:05:14 -0400 (AST)
From: chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall)
Subject: Re: new web page - origami math content

>
>Much of the references look interesting, but are probably virtually
>impossible to unearth down here... sigh..
>
>  /Bernie\
>--
>Bernie Cosell                     Fantasy Farm Fibers
>mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com     Pearisburg, VA
>    -->  Too many people, too few sheep  <--
>

Oh, come now, Bernie-- get yourself over to the Va Tech library!
 You are just a spit away!  :-)
Carol Hall
chall@scsn.net   (I don't have a fancy browser thingie, so there is no
clicking possible.  A mailto: address just means I have to be more careful
about cutting and pasting...)





Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 00:15:11 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: New Oru (No. 15 1996 Winter)

Okay, so I'm a little slow, but I finally picked up my copy of this. Here's
some highlights:

The issue is called "Special Edition: Folding 'Japan'" and features an
interview with Satoshi TAKAGI and also features the Issei YOSHINO collection.

Master Yoshizawa submitted a report on the SEOF. Specifically mentioned in the
article are Jonathan Baxter, Emiko Kruckner, Susanna Wellenberg, Paul Jackson,
June Sakamoto, Marsha Dupre, and Michael LaFosse. There are some pictures,
including one of Kay Eng and June Sakamoto in their finery for the origami
fashion show. Also, for those of you who attended his class on paper toys at
the SEOF, there are finalized diagrams for the some of the tops that he gave
out rough diagrams of.

There's a small section on Masahiro CHATANI's "origami architecture" featuring
some of the designs he's done for corporate clients.

Fifteen-year-old Go KINOSHITA's work is featured. Yet another up-and-coming
technical wiz, is designs include Munsch's "The Scream", Ultraman, and a jet
plane (with colour-changed cockpit) that transforms into a robot.

Some of Martin Wall's works are featured (in a section called "Sophisticated
Origami models from the United Kingdom").

Also, there are various articles on origami history and on historical folds,
especially practical ones (such as a very elegant-looking letter fold).

The models featured in the back are:

Santa Claus by Makoto YAMAGUCHI
Bull (Cow? Ox?) by Kousei (sp?) UCHIYAMA
Male and Female Japanese Dolls by Toshie TAKAHAMA
Thinking (?) Buddha by Satoshi TAKAGI
Chopsticks Wrapper by Makoto YAMAGUCHI
Snowdrops (flowers) by Tomoko TANAKA
Mermaid by Eiko ISHII (arrangement by Mineko HATSUNE)
Kakashi (Scarecrow?) by Tetsuo KIMURA
Seal on a Rock by Martin Wall
Munsch's "The Scream" by Go KINOSHITA
Motorcycle by Issei YOSHINO

          Joseph Wu           It's your privilege as an artist to inflict
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   the pain of creativity on yourself. We can
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  teach you how WE paint, but we can't teach
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami you how YOU paint. There's More Than One Way
 Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.   To Do It. Have the appropriate amount of fun.
    http://www.datt.co.jp                 --Wall, Christiansen, Schwartz





Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 02:30:02 -0400 (AST)
From: Charles Knuffke <knuffke@sirius.com>
Subject: Re: Diagramming generally (was RE: Jeremy's diagramming software)

>>> I have received some of the BARF newsletters and have a question.  Does
>>> anybody know what graphics program Jeremy Shafer uses to diagram his
>>>models?
>>> If that is not know, does anybody know Jeremy's e-mail address so that I
>>> could ask him directly.
>>

To answer the original question asked by Mark Morden, Jeremy uses an
earlier version of Freehand on a PC - I'm not sure but I think it was
version 3.? There was one particular feature that it had compared to later
versions which he said made the program much easier to use for Origami
drawings. However, I do know that he just got a copy of the latest version,
and so we'll have to see if he changes his mind.

Regarding Origami instructions in general, the best series I've seen on the
subject of presenting Origami information clearly was published by Robert
Lang in OrigamiUSA's The Paper over several installments (7?).
Unfortunately, most all of the issues containing the articles are currently
unavailable from OrigamiUSA. Robert's info was not specific to a single
drawing program, but dealt with standardizing symbols, and ensuring that
the right amount of info was presented in each step - not too much, and not
too little. The information could be applied regardless of what program you
choose to use.

Robert - any chance that those articles will reappear in one of your books
or on a website in the future?

*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Charles Knuffke       "Amen the Thunderbolt in the Dark Void"
153 Divisadero                                  -Jack Kerouac
San Francisco CA 94104
mailto://knuffke@sirius.com





Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 05:00:32 -0400 (AST)
From: Holmes David EXC IS CH <holmes@chbs.ciba.com>
Subject: RE: Diagramming generally (was RE: Jeremy's diagramming software)

> Regarding Origami instructions in general, the best series I've seen on the
> subject of presenting Origami information clearly was published by Robert
> Lang in OrigamiUSA's The Paper over several installments (7?).
> Unfortunately, most all of the issues containing the articles are currently
> unavailable from OrigamiUSA. Robert's info was not specific to a single
> drawing program, but dealt with standardizing symbols, and ensuring that
> the right amount of info was presented in each step - not too much, and not
> too little. The information could be applied regardless of what program you
> choose to use.

This sounds exactly like the type of information I could do with
right now.

> Robert - any chance that those articles will reappear in one of your books
> or on a website in the future?

I hope so!  It would be a valuable resource.

Dave

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Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 05:08:16 -0400 (AST)
From: Steven Casey <scasey@enternet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Diagramming generally (was RE: Jeremy's diagramming

At 12:55 PM 5/02/97 -0400,

David Holmes wrote,

>+Could we broaden the question, perhaps, and ask everyone which packages
>+they use?  I'm trying to find the most optimum/user-friendly program
>+with which to do my diagrams.

Doug Philips added,

>Sure, and actually, let's include hardware info.
>

Recently I've been using designworks3 on the PC but also I have an early
version of Aldus Freehand. What I like about designworks is the "nudge tool"
great for locating objects and end points precisely. You can export in many
formats, including GIF, EPS, windows metafile, and postscript ( there are
more ).

Also writing and locating text is very easy. There are also extra's supplied
like a photo CD browser, and snapshot which allows you to snap all or part
of a screen or individual objects, which can be imported into other desktop
publishing programs. There is a clip art browser which allows you to drag
and drop clips into your drawings, and you can build your own clip art
library of  well known origami symbols.

 And there's "keypad"  which allows you to insert mathematical symbols (ie:
square root symbol) and international characters and symbols for copyright,
trade marks, dollars and cents etc. If your going to use a PC I would
recommend at "least" a Pentium  P120 or P140  with 16 or 32 meg with a 2 meg
display card. I unfortunately don't have the above and struggle along with a
486/66 with 8 meg of memory and use the hard drive as a memory cache.

Would it be possible to get some drawing tips from Robert Lang?(or others).
I'd like to know how Robert draws the hollow arrow heads for the fold-unfold
symbol. Is the white fill in the arrow head a feature of the drawing program
used or added later by tracing and then sending the object back to the next
layer. And do any of the symbols get distorted when saving out to postscript?

I also use an Amiga and in the past found the best structured drawing
program to be Professional Draw3. Now a new program has arrived on the scene
called Draw Studio. Which is more stable and offers all the features you'd
expect from a PC or Mac program. There are solid and pattern fills,
graduated and translucent fills which can be applied using "drag and drop".
As well as snap to grid, you can control how objects snap to other objects,
meaning a line can snap to a point on a curve or an end point. File formats
apart from IFF are BMP, GIF, JPEG, PCX and Tiff as well as  postscript. (
end of ad )

Steven Casey,
scasey@enternet.com.au





Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 05:54:44 -0400 (AST)
From: cmorris@geko.net.au (Carmel Morris)
Subject: Re: Diagramming generally (was RE: Jeremy's diagramming software)

Hello

If this helps...

>>Could we broaden the question, perhaps, and ask everyone which packages
>>they use?  I'm trying to find the most optimum/user-friendly program
>>with which to do my diagrams.

I have used Quark Express, Adobe Illustrator and Adobe Photoshop for some
of my books. Illustrator and Freehand are cool programs for drawing etc.

I believe they are also available for PC.

Byeee

Carmel

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Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 06:54:37 -0400 (AST)
From: JESPER LARSEN <940094@udd.aalsem.dk>
Subject: Re: 1000 cranes

What type of crane do you prefer? Standing, nesting or flying?





Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 10:02:15 -0400 (AST)
From: rhudson@netrax.net (Hudson-Robert)
Subject: diagramming tools

I've been using Generic Cadd 6.0 for a while now.  It gives you a variety of
grid controls and precise "snaps" so that you can automatically anchor
points on lines, bisect/trisect/etc. angles and segments on the fly for
precise crease lines, and vary line thicknesses and types.  It's a great
little program for basic diagramming of 2d models.

Rob
