




Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 15:33:14 -0400 (AST)
From: Contractors Exchange <contract@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: equilateral triangle-[NO]

At 02:33 PM 12/4/96 -0400, rita <rstevens@philly.infi.net>
 wrote:
>Does anyone have a simple method of cutting an equilateral triangle out of a
>square, maximizing the use of the paper.  I plan to make a Star of David for
>friends celebrating Chanukah and all of the models I've seen start w/ an
>equilateral triangle.  I'll resort to a protractor & ruler if need be, but I
>thought I'd first consult this list.

1 valley in half virticaly

2 unfold

3 valley top corners towards center crease, with the folds extending from
the bottom corners (for those who care, the angle of the fold will end up
being 15 degrees).

4 The raw edges will define the outline of your triangle

I do not know if this is the largest possible triangle, but I can not
visualise a way to get anything larger. Marc





Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 16:03:49 -0400 (AST)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: equilateral triangle-[NO]

Marc wrote:
+I do not know if this is the largest possible triangle, but I can not
+visualise a way to get anything larger. Marc

I would think that having one point of the triangle in a corner, such that
the diagonal "diaper" crease from that corner was also the angle bisector of
the triangle, you should be able to get a larger result.  Think of it as
taking the triangle you described, rotating about one of the angles which
is in a corner, so that the edge of the paper is no longer an edge of the
triangle.  Since the "top" of the triangle you describe is not yet touching an
edge, you should be able to lengthen the sides of the triangle.

-Doug





Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 16:35:55 -0400 (AST)
From: Robert Maldonado <robert_maldonado@csufresno.edu>
Subject: Re: equilateral triangle-[NO]

Regarding a six pointed star from a square.

Paul Jackson's _The Complete Origami Course_ has a very nice
six-pointed star from a square (Design by Shuzo Fujimoto).  It
basically uses the method mentioned by Marc K. to make a folded double
equilateral triangle.

Robert Maldonado
robert_maldonado@CSUFresno.edu





Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 16:56:09 -0400 (AST)
From: Robert Maldonado <robert_maldonado@csufresno.edu>
Subject: Re: equilateral triangle-[NO]

I just got Doug's reply to Marc which made me realize I hadn't read
Marc's right.  Fujimoto starts by using book folds, then unfolding to
the square.  Then fold the corners to the lines created by the book
fold.  If you then fold the raw edges to match you get the double
equilateral triangle (diamond).  I imagine if you cut on the first
folds to the book fold and then across the bottom, you'd get the
largest equilateral triangle, which is what I think Doug meant?

Robert Maldonado
robert_maldonado@CSUFresno.edu

Sorry, if this is incomprehensible.





Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 17:24:18 -0400 (AST)
From: hull@MATH.URI.EDU
Subject: RE: equilateral triangle

Here ya go:

(1) Take a square and "pinch" the half-way mark on two non-opposite sides
of the square:

A                   B
+-------------------+
|         |         |
|         |         |
|                   |
|                   |
|                ---|
|                   |
|                   |
|                   |
|                   |
+-------------------+
C                   D

(2) Fold corner A onto the half-way crease along the top edge, BUT make
this crease also go through corner C.  (I'm not going to even try to
draw that!)

(3) Do the same thing with corner D:  fold corner D onto the pinched
crease along the right side, BUT make this crease also go through
corner C.

(4) You've now created a 60 degree angle at corner C.  Fold corner B
down to finish off the triangle.

This is the largest triangle you can make from a square.  Can you prove it?

--------- Tom "I do luv math" Hull
          hull@math.uri.edu





Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 17:47:51 -0400 (AST)
From: Contractors Exchange <contract@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: equilateral triangle-[NO]

At 04:56 PM 12/4/96 -0400, Robert Maldonado
<robert_maldonado@csufresno.edu> wrote:

>I just got Doug's reply to Marc which made me realize I hadn't read
>Marc's right.  Fujimoto starts by using book folds, then unfolding to
>the square.  Then fold the corners to the lines created by the book
>fold.  If you then fold the raw edges to match you get the double
>equilateral triangle (diamond).  I imagine if you cut on the first
>folds to the book fold and then across the bottom, you'd get the
>largest equilateral triangle, which is what I think Doug meant?

So far, all of the methods depicted are the same; they all end up with the
base of the triangel being the bottom raw edge of the square. Doug
correctly pointed out this is NOT the largest possible size obtainable from
a square. This can easily be seen by placing the resulting triagle on a
another square (same size as yor other starting square). If this trinagle
is placed, such that one of it's corners is touching the corner of the
square, you can imagine being able to extend the edges of your triangle ,
and stil be within the confines of the square. The resulting triangle is
only marginaly larger. If I have time tonight, I think I might have  clear
folding sequence for the larger triangle.

Marc





Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 18:20:48 -0400 (AST)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Chickadee model?

I've just consulted the V'Ann database and couldn't find reference to a
chickadee model.  Probably Yoshizawa has a dozen, but I thought I'd ask the
group if anyone knows of one diagrammed, or something close that could be
modified.  I'm looking for diagrams (of course!)  This is for a small
diorama for a holiday gift, if you are curious. ;-)

Thanks and "Festive Folding!"
        -Doug





Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 18:52:55 -0400 (AST)
From: Robert Maldonado <robert_maldonado@csufresno.edu>
Subject: Re: equilateral triangle-[NO]

Marc wrote:
>
> At 04:56 PM 12/4/96 -0400, Robert Maldonado
> <robert_maldonado@csufresno.edu> wrote:
>
> >I just got Doug's reply to Marc which made me realize I hadn't read
> >Marc's right.  Fujimoto starts by using book folds, then unfolding to
> >the square.  Then fold the corners to the lines created by the book
> >fold.  If you then fold the raw edges to match you get the double
> >equilateral triangle (diamond).  I imagine if you cut on the first
> >folds to the book fold and then across the bottom, you'd get the
> >largest equilateral triangle, which is what I think Doug meant?
>
> So far, all of the methods depicted are the same; they all end up with the
> base of the triangel being the bottom raw edge of the square.

I guess I wasn't clear, b/c what I attempted to describe does NOT have
the base of the triangle at the bottom raw edge of the square.  If you
fold the corners to the bookfold lines, the apex of the triangle is in
the corner between (whichever one you used).  That means the base of
the triangle is at the other corner (not edge).  I don't have a
scanner, my ASCII skills are probably worse than my prose attempts, so
I humbly withdraw.

BTW, does anyone else know the Fujimoto star?  It has a pleasant
folding sequence.

Robert Maldonado
robert_maldonado@CSUFresno.edu





Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 18:53:32 -0400 (AST)
From: Jorma Oksanen <tenu@sci.fi>
Subject: Re: equilateral triangle-[NO]

On 04-Dec-96, rita (rstevens@philly.infi.net) wrote:
>Does anyone have a simple method of cutting an equilateral triangle out of
a
>square, maximizing the use of the paper.  I plan to make a Star of David
for
>friends celebrating Chanukah and all of the models I've seen start w/ an
>equilateral triangle.  I'll resort to a protractor & ruler if need be, but
I
>thought I'd first consult this list.

+-----------+ Mark halfway of two edges
|           |
|           |
|           |
|           |
|           |
|        ---+
|           |
|           |
|     |     |
|     |     |
|     |     |
+-----+-----+

+--           Fold and unfold from opposite corner so that adjanced
|\ ---        corner touches mark
|  \  ---
 |\  \   ---
 |     \   /+
 | \     \/ |
  |      ---+
  | \       |
  |         |
   | \|     |
   | /|     |
   |/ |     |
    +-+-----+

+-----------+ Fold thru two new points on edges and you have an
|\ ---      | equilateral triangle
|     ---   |
||       ---|
||          +
||         /|
| |       / +
| |      /  |
| |     /   |
|  |   /    |
|  |  /     |
|  | /      |
+---+-+-----+

Sorry for bad ascii - maybe someone should make gif of this (and why not
of some other useful techniques) and put it into archives.

Jorma
Finland, Santa's homeland
--
Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

"It's a good thing the average person doesn't realize
 the awesome destructive power of origami"              Earthworm Jim





Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 18:56:59 -0400 (AST)
From: RA Kennedy <kennedra@isdugp.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: equilateral triangle-[NO]

>
> I do not know if this is the largest possible triangle, but I can not
> visualise a way to get anything larger. Marc
>

I think an equilateral triangle of larger area is produced by making a corner
of the square a vertex of the triangle, rather than by making an edge of the
square an edge of the triangle:

 -------------------|
|                   |
|         X         |
|        X X        |
|       X   X       |
|      X     X      |
|     X       X     |
|    X         X    |
|   X           X   |
|  X             X  |
| X               X |
|X                 X|
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

                    X
                  .X X.
                . X   X .
              .  X     X  .            (triangle area/square area larger than
            .   X       X   .           for first scheme)
          .    X         X    .
        .     X           X     .
      .      X             X      .
       .    X               X    .
        .  X                 X  .       OK, so I can't draw in ASCII, but
         .XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.        I hope you get the idea!
           .                 .
              .            .
                .        .
                  .    .
                     .

I think there is something more about this in Origami for the Connoisseur. For
the geometry pros - what is the ratio of the areas of the two triangles above?
Marc K has described a sequence of folds to define the exterior of the triangle
of the first triangle. I wonder if there is a similarly simple scheme for the
second triangle?

Have fun!

Richard K.
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)
Birmingham, England.





Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 19:07:47 -0400 (AST)
From: halgall@netverk.com.ar
Subject: David Lister's posts

Hi,

Tim wrote:
>>        One last comment ... I really enjoy David Lister's posts on origami
>>history and biographies (not to slight anybody else's posts, of course).
>>Please continue to enlighten us with the results of what must be a great
>>deal of research and other hard work, David.

Cathy wrote:
>        I also enjoy reading David Lister's posts, and hope to see more of
>them.  There are some huge gaps in my knowledge of origami history.

I enjoy many reading the contributions of David Lister, and I have
could learn many about origami history .
Especially,I have gotten withdrawning many doubt about the history of
the origami in Argentina.
All the investigations by David about origin and origami history
are very interesting and therefore, I believe that David must write a
book about this theme.
What thought David?

Happy Folds!!!

Patricia Gallo





Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 19:26:33 -0400 (AST)
From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@pb.net>
Subject: Re: equilateral triangle-[NO]

In issue #41 of The Newsletter (Winter/Spring 1992), Mark Kennedy
shared his secrets of creating equilateral triangles. In his attempt
to get the most mileage from one piece of paper, he diagrammed many
ways in which to make use of the off-cuts to form many more smaller
equilateral triangles as well as the methods being described on this
list.

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 19:57:10 -0400 (AST)
From: cathypl@generation.net (Cathy Palmer-Lister)
Subject: Re: Rose

>Hello!
>The Kawasaki Rose is certainly a very intricate and captivating model (from
>the pictures i saw in some websites and from all the comments posted in this
>list), but..... i still can not fold it! It's really quite frustrating, i've
>been trying it for months.... to no avail. I got the diagrams from the
>origami list and am stuck in the 24-th and following steps. Also, are all
>the petals of the rose supposed to be flat? And, is the completed model
>squarish or round? Please advise!
>Thanks!

Hi, John!  The petals are flat, that is to say, there is no space beteen the
layers.  I'm not too sure what you mean by flat.  You do curl them to make
them look lifelike.  The entire model is globular, and fits nicely in the
hand.  Take care with the creases, and when you are working on the bottom,
hold the whole thing upside down.  If the creases are sharp and accurate, it
almost falls into place, and all you have to do then is bend the bottom
points to the centre, kind of like when you are closing a cardboard box.

                                                                Cathy





Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 20:36:48 -0400 (AST)
From: Steven Casey <scasey@enternet.com.au>
Subject: Re: equilateral triangle-

At 02:34 PM 4/12/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Does anyone have a simple method of cutting an equilateral triangle out of a
>square, maximizing the use of the paper.  I plan to make a Star of David for
>friends celebrating Chanukah and all of the models I've seen start w/ an
>equilateral triangle.  I'll resort to a protractor & ruler if need be, but I
>thought I'd first consult this list.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>Rita
>Philadelphia, PA
>
>

Hi,

:Folding an equilateral triangle

         a
   -------------      Start with a square creased into  2 x 2
   |     |     |      The vertical   crease is line  a - b.
                      The horizontal crease is line  c - d.
c  |-----------| d

   |     |     |      point x is a pivot point
  x -------------
         b

Using x as an anchor point.

Fold the top left corner !only! over to meet line a - b, make a crease
running through bottom left corner (x).

Fold the bottom right corner !only! up to meet line c - d, make a crease
running through bottom left corner (x).

        e
 +-----+---------------+     Where the crease running from the lower left
 |     |               |     corner touches the top edge is "e".
 |        |            |
 |    |                |     Where the crease running from the lower left
 |             |       |     corner touches the right edge is "f".
 |   |                 |
 |                 |   |
 |                    ||     Joining points "e"  and "f" with a valley
 | |                   + f   fold completes the equilateral triangle.
 |            _   -    |
 ||   _   -            |
 +---------------------+

 Best wishes,

 Steven Casey
 scasey@enternet.com.au
 Melbourne, Australia





Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 20:46:20 -0400 (AST)
From: Michael & Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Rose

longsand@singnet.com.sg wrote:
> The Kawasaki Rose is certainly a very intricate and captivating model (from
> the pictures i saw in some websites and from all the comments posted in this
> list), but..... i still can not fold it! It's really quite frustrating, i've
> been trying it for months.... to no avail. I got the diagrams from the
> origami list and am stuck in the 24-th and following steps. Also, are all
> the petals of the rose supposed to be flat? And, is the completed model
> squarish or round? Please advise!
> Thanks!

If you are doing the Kawasaki rose from the archives (as oppposed to the
     Kawasaki Rose from OftC), you should
be aware that there is an error in the diagram at step 24.

The solution is to extend the fold in step 24 to get the result diagrammed in
     step 25.  In other words, the
diagonal valley fold should extend through 4 squares instead of 3, the verical
     moutain fold should be moved to
the right by one square, and the horizontal mountain fold should move down one
     square.

The petals curve outward at the end, and the model is more round than square.

I find this model much harder than the Kawasaki rose in OftC, because of all
     the precreasing and the chevron
shaped folds in step 10.  It does lock much better than the OftC rose.

Janet Hamilton

--
mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/





Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 21:01:51 -0400 (AST)
From: reeds@openix.com (Reeds Family)
Subject: Re: New Models

>All you creative people out there, Meyer Gotz of OUSA publications
>would like to encourage you to send them in for possible inclusion
>in the 1997 Annual Collection.
>
>
>Rachel Katz
>Origami - it's not just for squares!

Wasn't the deadline way back in September? If not, what's the current deadline?
Thanks
Karen
New Providence NJ
reeds@openix.com





Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 21:57:10 -0400 (AST)
From: Kim Best <Kim.Best@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: equilateral triangle

Forgive me for posting one more method of getting a maximal triangle.
But I figured it out before I saw Tom Hull's and others method.  And this
one extends Marc's method to get the maximal equilateral triangle

>
> 1 valley in half virticaly
>
> 2 unfold
>
> 3 valley top corners towards center crease, with the folds extending from
> the bottom corners (for those who care, the angle of the fold will end up
> being 15 degrees).
>
> 4 The raw edges will define the outline of your triangle
>

5) unfold the left corner from step 3

6) Make a valley fold thru the lower right hand corner, so that the
crease revealed in step 5 folds onto itself.

7) valley fold thru the corner just created on the left and the current
upper right hand corner.

Tom's is better.  But I think there's something cool about this one.

Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *       And this thread       *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   *           is too            *
420 Chipeta Way #120                *      origami relate!!!!     *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 00:35:38 -0400 (AST)
From: Jacob Metzger <Origami@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Origami Books

<Katharina.Grif@uibk.ac.at>

wrote:

> For some times ago i have seen very nice book on
> origami-it was with drawing-diagramms,a lot of
> modular origami and histories about folding and
> peoples,who made them. For example there was folding
> of pentagon-units from A4 size of paper and making
> 3D-model from them-it is so great! The question is
> does anyone know this book(it was of course in
> English) ?

I'm pretty sure this book is Eric Kenneway's "Complete Origami". The
model you described is a 12 piece (3 A4 shhets cut into 4 each)
solid dodecahedron. The book is in print, and can be ordered at most
internet bookshops - www.amazon.com, www.powells.com,
www.bookshop.co.uk.

Hope this helps!

Yaacov Metzger
origami@worldnet.att.net





Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 00:39:30 -0400 (AST)
From: mplewinska@earthlink.net (Magdalena Cano Plewinska)
Subject: Re: equilateral triangle-[NO]

On Wed, 4 Dec 1996 14:34:03 -0400 (AST), rita
<rstevens@philly.infi.net>  wrote:

>Does anyone have a simple method of cutting an equilateral triangle out of a
>square, maximizing the use of the paper.  I plan to make a Star of David for
>friends celebrating Chanukah and all of the models I've seen start w/ an
>equilateral triangle.  I'll resort to a protractor & ruler if need be, but I
>thought I'd first consult this list.

Rita:

Although the methods given in all the responses are the purist's way
of getting a triangle from a square, I hate doing it that way because
of the waste of paper. If you want to save the planet and you are
working with gift wrap, here's a way to do it with a straight-edge and
compass (the way they taught us in Geometry class (no, don't let your
eyes glaze over at this point, it's easy, honest!)

(1)     Go to your art and craft supply store and get a cheap compass.
It needs to be the kind that has a sharp point on one leg and a place
to put a pencil on the other.

(2)     Unroll the gift wrap a little and draw a straight line roughly
parallel to the edge you unroll. It doesn't need to be exactly
parallel to the edge, but it does need to be a continuous straight
line, so use a long ruler (or anything that has a long straight line
such as the side of a cookie sheet).

(3)     Decide how long you want the sides of the triangle to be. I
make my six-pointed stars out of triangles with 13-15 cm (5-6") sides.
Spread the legs of the compass to this distance. You will keep the
legs in this position for all the following steps; make sure you don't
change the distance between the compass points.

(4)     Mark a point on the straight line you drew in step (2). Make
the point close to the edge of the paper. This will be point A. Stick
the sharp point of the compass into the paper at that point. You don't
have to make a hole all the way through but you have to drive it in
deep enough so it doesn't slide about. Draw a quarter-circle with the
pencil end. One part of the quarter-circle should intersect the
straight line. This intersection is point B.

(5)     Put the sharp end of the compass at the point where the circle
you just drew intersects the line. Draw another quarter-circle so that
it intersects the first circle you drew. Mark the point where the two
circles intersect.  This is point C. Connect the dots. You now have an
equilateral triangle with the points being: A, the initial point you
made; B, the point where the first circle intersects the line and C,
the point where the two quarter-circles intersect each other above the
line.

(6)     Make a second triangle using point B as the starting point in
step (4). Continue making triangles in this way until you get to the
end of the paper.

(7)     With your straight edge (ruler, cookie sheet, whatever), draw
a line connecting all the C points. This will give you a set of
upside-down equilateral triangles so you don't waste any paper.

(8)     Cut your paper and voila!

The Star of David must, of course be made from an equilateral
triangle, but my favorite stars are those made from the scraps left
over at the end of the above process (the edges) and from other
irregular triangles. The process is the same, you just have to
improvise a little. I think the stars I get this way have a lot more
personality. I give the perfect stars away and keep my irregular ones
and everybody is happy!

I hope the above instructions are clear. If not, email me.

   - Magda Plewinska
     Miami, FL, USA
     Email: mplewinska@earthlink.net





Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 00:54:58 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: equilateral triangle-[NO]

On Thu, 5 Dec 1996, Magdalena Cano Plewinska wrote:

=Although the methods given in all the responses are the purist's way
=of getting a triangle from a square, I hate doing it that way because
=of the waste of paper. If you want to save the planet and you are
=working with gift wrap, here's a way to do it with a straight-edge and
=compass (the way they taught us in Geometry class (no, don't let your
=eyes glaze over at this point, it's easy, honest!)

Waste of paper? It's possible, using the aforementioned methods, to make a
bunch of connected equilateral triangles from a large sheet of paper (such as
giftwrap). It's just a matter of repeating the crease pattern along the length
of the paper. I use a grid of equilateral triangles to do my dragon scales
tessellation.

=The Star of David must, of course be made from an equilateral
=triangle, but my favorite stars are those made from the scraps left
=over at the end of the above process (the edges) and from other
=irregular triangles. The process is the same, you just have to
=improvise a little. I think the stars I get this way have a lot more
=personality. I give the perfect stars away and keep my irregular ones
=and everybody is happy!

Why must the Star of David (Magen David?) be made from an equilateral
triangle? There are at least two six-pointed star designs that are made from
square paper (Jeremy Shafer's Star of David with its woven look, and
Fujimoto's six-pointed star that was mentioned here earlier). There are
probably more.

          Joseph Wu           Faith: When you have come to the end of all the
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   light that you know and need to step into the
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  darkness of the unknown, Faith is knowing that
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami one of two things will happen: either there will
 Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.   be something solid to stand on or you will be
    http://www.datt.co.jp     taught how to fly.                --Anonymous





Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 01:22:52 -0400 (AST)
From: Charles Knuffke <knuffke@sirius.com>
Subject: Re: equilateral triangle-[NO]

At 9:55 PM -0700 on 12/4/96, Joseph Wu wrote:

> =The Star of David must, of course be made from an equilateral
> =triangle, but my favorite stars are those made from the scraps left
> =over at the end of the above process (the edges) and from other
> =irregular triangles. The process is the same, you just have to
> =improvise a little. I think the stars I get this way have a lot more
> =personality. I give the perfect stars away and keep my irregular ones
> =and everybody is happy!
>
> Why must the Star of David (Magen David?) be made from an equilateral
> triangle? There are at least two six-pointed star designs that are made from
> square paper (Jeremy Shafer's Star of David with its woven look, and
> Fujimoto's six-pointed star that was mentioned here earlier). There are
> probably more.
>

Don't forget my favorite - Fred Rohm's Dollar Bill Star of David. A bit of
pre-creasing, one wonderful collapse fold, and you've got a 6-point star
with an open center.

For those looking for it, the model is included in the OrigamiUSA book
"Making More with Money".

Regards.

*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Charles Knuffke       "Amen the Thunderbolt in the Dark Void"
153 Divisadero                                  -Jack Kerouac
San Francisco CA 94104
mailto://knuffke@sirius.com





Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 02:42:11 -0400 (AST)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Folding Faces

Hi Gang! -

        Whilst on Thanksgiving vacation in Salt Lake City, I came across a
used copy of Eric Kenneway's book _Folding Faces_ (the English, not
Italian, version).  I kinda already had it:  I had xeroxed the entirety of
a library copy in Denver years ago...but I'm something of a closet
bibliophile, and I prefer the genuine articles over the reproductions, so
of course I snapped it up (it was only like $4 anyway).

        So, now I've got this perfectly good, readable, usable xerox copy
of the entire book, and I'm loathe to toss it.  As it's a xerox, I don't
feel right trying to sell it, either, but I know it'd be of interest to at
least _someone_ on this list!  So if anyone out there wants it, let me
know, and we can make arrangements for its transfer.

Jerry D. Harris                       (214) 768-2750
Dept. of Geological Sciences          FAX:  768-2701
Southern Methodist University
Box 750395                            jdharris@post.smu.edu
Dallas  TX  75275-0395                (Compuserve:  102354,2222)

                                              .--       ,
                                         ____/_  )_----'_\__
                                 ____----____/ / _--^-_   _ \_
                         ____----_o _----     ( (      ) ( \  \
                       _-_-- \ _/  -          ) '      / )  )  \
"Evolution: It's      _-_/   / /   /          /  '     /_/   /   \
Not For Every-       //   __/ /_) (          / \  \   / /   (_-C  \
Body!"              /(__--    /    '-_     /    \ \  / /    )  (\_)
                   /    o   (        '----'  __/  \_/ (____/   \
  -- Michael       /.. ../   .  .   ..  . .  -<_       ___/   _- \
     Feldman       \_____\.: . :.. _________-----_      -- __---_ \
                    VVVVV---------/VVVVVVVVV      \______--    /  \
                         VVVVVVVVV                   \_/  ___  '^-'___
                                           _________------   --='== . \
                     AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA--- .      o          -o---'  /





Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 04:02:34 -0400 (AST)
From: Eric Andersen <Eric_Andersen@brown.edu>
Subject: Fred Rohm's dollar bill Star of David

At 01:23 AM 12/5/96 -0400, Charles Knuffke wrote:
>
>Don't forget my favorite - Fred Rohm's Dollar Bill Star of David. A bit of
>pre-creasing, one wonderful collapse fold, and you've got a 6-point star
>with an open center.
>
>For those looking for it, the model is included in the OrigamiUSA book
>"Making More with Money".

If anyone is interested I have photo of this model (along with two other
dollar bill models) located at:

http://www.netspace.org/~ema/origami/dollars.jpg

I believe I got the instructions from an OrigamiUSA Convention Book (around
1990 or so)

-Eric  :-P

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
      A                   A
     /|\            \    /|\
    / | \            \\ / | \ /7\            /-\.
   /__|__\            \/__|__\/            a miniature
   \  |  /             \_/ \_/               Kawahata
    \ | /             Flapping                stegosaurus
     \|/                bird
      V                       Eric Andersen   origami@brown.edu
  Bird Base             http://www.netspace.org/~ema/origami.html





Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 05:56:36 -0400 (AST)
From: Douglas Zander <dzander@solaria.sol.net>
Subject: Re: Folding Faces

>
> Hi Gang! -
>
>         Whilst on Thanksgiving vacation in Salt Lake City, I came across a
> used copy of Eric Kenneway's book _Folding Faces_ (the English, not
> Italian, version).  I kinda already had it:  I had xeroxed the entirety of
 <snip>

> least _someone_ on this list!  So if anyone out there wants it, let me
> know, and we can make arrangements for its transfer.

  Hello Jerry,
    I am forming an origami group at the support program I attend and I
 wonder if you would like to contribute this photocopy book to us.
 Though we are not a non-profit organization, we would appreciate the
 contribution.  Thanks.  Let me know, I will pay for shipping.  If you
 want more information about our group just ask.

>
>
>
> Jerry D. Harris                       (214) 768-2750
> Dept. of Geological Sciences          FAX:  768-2701
> Southern Methodist University
> Box 750395                            jdharris@post.smu.edu
> Dallas  TX  75275-0395                (Compuserve:  102354,2222)
>
>                                               .--       ,
>                                          ____/_  )_----'_\__
>                                  ____----____/ / _--^-_   _ \_
>                          ____----_o _----     ( (      ) ( \  \
>                        _-_-- \ _/  -          ) '      / )  )  \
> "Evolution: It's      _-_/   / /   /          /  '     /_/   /   \
> Not For Every-       //   __/ /_) (          / \  \   / /   (_-C  \
> Body!"              /(__--    /    '-_     /    \ \  / /    )  (\_)
>                    /    o   (        '----'  __/  \_/ (____/   \
>   -- Michael       /.. ../   .  .   ..  . .  -<_       ___/   _- \
>      Feldman       \_____\.: . :.. _________-----_      -- __---_ \
>                     VVVVV---------/VVVVVVVVV      \______--    /  \
>                          VVVVVVVVV                   \_/  ___  '^-'___
>                                            _________------   --='== . \
>                      AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA--- .      o          -o---'  /
>                     /.:.::.  .:..: :::. .    \.      _  __------- __--
>                     \_    ________             \..  / )-   _____--
>                       ----        ---____         \_--__---
>                                          ---_______\--
>
>
>
  I like the dinosaur, is it a T-rex?

--
 Douglas Zander                | many things interest me, too many to list
 dzander@solaria.sol.net       | here.  if you want a profile :-)  why not
 Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA     | send me a letter?  tell me about yourself,
 "Over-looking Lake Michigan." | I'll tell you about myself.





Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 06:42:34 -0400 (AST)
From: Douglas Zander <dzander@solaria.sol.net>
Subject: Re: Folding Faces

That last message was supposed to be a private email, sorry, I didn't
check the reply-to address...

--
 Douglas Zander                | many things interest me, too many to list
 dzander@solaria.sol.net       | here.  if you want a profile :-)  why not
 Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA     | send me a letter?  tell me about yourself,
 "Over-looking Lake Michigan." | I'll tell you about myself.





Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 09:03:13 -0400 (AST)
From: mplewinska@earthlink.net (Magdalena Cano Plewinska)
Subject: Re: equilateral triangle-[NO]

On Thu, 5 Dec 1996 00:55:02 -0400 (AST), Joseph Wu
<origami@planet.datt.co.jp>  wrote:

> It's possible, using the aforementioned methods, to make a
>bunch of connected equilateral triangles from a large sheet of paper (such as
>giftwrap). It's just a matter of repeating the crease pattern along the length
>of the paper. I use a grid of equilateral triangles to do my dragon scales
>tessellation.

Can you be more explicit as to your method for doing this? It sounds
exciting.

>Why must the Star of David (Magen David?) be made from an equilateral
>triangle? There are at least two six-pointed star designs that are made from
>square paper

I meant: if you are going to start with a triangle and want your star
to look radially symmetrical, you got to start with an equilateral
triangle.

   - Magda Plewinska
     Miami, FL, USA
     Email: mplewinska@earthlink.net





Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 09:37:57 -0400 (AST)
From: Robyn Meyer <rmeyer@netadvantage.com.au>
Subject: do you HAVE 2 do steps 9 -10???

Hi ppl again,

I know that it's probably really bad origami ettiquite <sp!!!> or something to
     ask
this but are steps 9-10 really needed in the finished model? It took me hours
trying to work out where the folds had to go and having 2 repeat them every
time I make another attempt at the rose gives me the jitters ... so are they
needed? I've managed to get up 2 step 26 (I think ...) ...is the rose
at this point flat? Because it looks like it is in the diagram - with mine
it is very hard to see that much of it because all the folds unfold if I open it
out very far! I have looked and looked and can't work out where those folds in
steps 9 - 10 are needed ... so would it matter if I left them out?

Also ... I must say that the twist fold is the coolest fold I've ever learnt
     ... it's
pretty satisfying 2 finally get it worked out! And I can't believe how clever it
is to be able 2 do that with paper ... which is why I'd like 2 actually be
able to finish the rose!

Another thing (I'll be finished soon honestly!), does anyone here use
IRC? If they do I'd love to chat sometimes ... no one here likes 2 talk
about origami!!! My name on there is Robyn and I use any of the
Australian servers ... I'm usually found on the #family channel :))

Thanks 4 all your help, Robyn xxx





Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 10:17:19 -0400 (AST)
From: Bruce Stephens <stephens@math.ruu.nl>
Subject: Re: do you HAVE 2 do steps 9 -10???

> this but are steps 9-10 really needed in the finished model? It took me hours
> trying to work out where the folds had to go and having 2 repeat them every
> time I make another attempt at the rose gives me the jitters ... so are they
> needed?

They aren't needed, I think, but obviously you'll miss out on the
crimps, which give the impression of extra petals.  Also the geometry
will be altered, so things may not fit together as well, but you could
probably force it, while you're getting the hang of making the rose.

(I'm assuming we're talking about the rose in the archive, not the one
in OftC.)

> I've managed to get up 2 step 26 (I think ...) ...is the rose
> at this point flat?

No.  The base is, I think.

> Because it looks like it is in the diagram

The diagram shows it from the bottom, so you can't see the petals that were
formed from step 21 onwards.

> I have looked and looked and can't work out where those folds in
> steps 9 - 10 are needed ... so would it matter if I left them out?

What about step 23?

--
Bruce Stephens           | email: B.Stephens@math.ruu.nl
Utrecht University              | telephone: +31 30 2534630
Department of Mathematics       | telefax:   +31 30 2518394
P.O. Box 80010, 3508 TA Utrecht, The Netherlands





Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 11:00:31 -0400 (AST)
From: "Sergei Y. Afonkin" <sergei@origami.nit.spb.su>
Subject: Try to find...

Dear friends! I try to find  Arnold Tubis from Indianapolis
who had contacted to me but did not write down an address :-(
Help!

Your Sergei Afonkin, the chairman of St.Petersburg Origami Center
                                  ,    ,
sergei@origami.nit.spb.su        ("\''/").___..--''"`-._
                                 `9_ 9  )   `-.  (     ).`-.__.`)
                                 (_Y_.)'  ._   )  `._ `. ``-..-'





Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 11:10:51 -0400 (AST)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Re: Folding Faces

Hi Again! -

        Just so no one else spends some time to respond to my initial
message, the copy has been claimed.  Thanks to everyone who responded,
though!  I'll keep everyone posted about any other duplicate acquisitions I
happen to make!  8-D

Jerry D. Harris                       (214) 768-2750
Dept. of Geological Sciences          FAX:  768-2701
Southern Methodist University
Box 750395                            jdharris@post.smu.edu
Dallas  TX  75275-0395                (Compuserve:  102354,2222)

                                              .--       ,
                                         ____/_  )_----'_\__
                                 ____----____/ / _--^-_   _ \_
                         ____----_o _----     ( (      ) ( \  \
                       _-_-- \ _/  -          ) '      / )  )  \
"Evolution: It's      _-_/   / /   /          /  '     /_/   /   \
Not For Every-       //   __/ /_) (          / \  \   / /   (_-C  \
Body!"              /(__--    /    '-_     /    \ \  / /    )  (\_)
                   /    o   (        '----'  __/  \_/ (____/   \
  -- Michael       /.. ../   .  .   ..  . .  -<_       ___/   _- \
     Feldman       \_____\.: . :.. _________-----_      -- __---_ \
                    VVVVV---------/VVVVVVVVV      \______--    /  \
                         VVVVVVVVV                   \_/  ___  '^-'___
                                           _________------   --='== . \
                     AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA--- .      o          -o---'  /





Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 12:37:10 -0400 (AST)
From: GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU
Subject: Re: equilateral triangle

I don't mean this as a plug for our book, but Bennett Arnstein came up
with ways to 'mass produce' equilateral triangles from 8 1/2 x 11 paper.

Basically, you use the method for creating a triangle with edge on edge
of paper over and over again. First you divide the 8 1/2 x 11 into
4 strips the long way.

Rona





Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 14:10:32 -0400 (AST)
From: Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>
Subject: Re: do you HAVE 2 do steps 9 -10???

>>>>> "RM" == Robyn Meyer <rmeyer@netadvantage.com.au> writes:

RM> [...] are steps 9-10 really needed in the finished model?

I'm assuming you're talking about the Kawasaki rose diagrams from the
archive, since you don't actually say so...

I tried folding my first rose last night.  The end product was quite
beautiful, and I'm really impressed with the grace of the model.  I folded
a couple more, and tried leaving out the crimps made in steps 9 - 11.  This
made the inside reverse folds in steps 24 - 25 not work well at all.

What I couldn't find any reason for was the sequence in steps 13 - 16.  I
just omit those steps and everything comes out fine.  I think they're just
precreasing in preparation for 24 - 25, but if so then they should be
repeated four times.

RM> Also ... I must say that the twist fold is the coolest fold I've ever
RM> learnt ... it's pretty satisfying 2 finally get it worked out! And I
RM> can't believe how clever it is to be able 2 do that with paper
RM> ... which is why I'd like 2 actually be able to finish the rose!

I found the rose to remind me quite a bit of Kawahata's ankylosaurus.  Of
course, the ankylosaurus has about five times as much precreasing but you
end up shrinking the paper by "folding out" sections of the grid.

 - J<





Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 19:46:31 -0400 (AST)
From: g_r@mda.ca (Garry Robertson, Fenco MacLaren, MCDV Project)
Subject: Ottawa stores?

I'm going to be in Ottawa from 14 to 18 Dec.  Any suggestions on
stores for paper and/or books?

Thanks,

Garry Robertson
Surrey, B.C.





Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 20:26:13 -0400 (AST)
From: CThackeray@aol.com
Subject: Re: Another paper question/St. Louis

Art Mart on Hanely (in Brentwood) usually has origami paper. Better yet, they
have some really nice (and unusual) tissue paper. Factory Card Outlet on
Watson (near Crestwood Plaza) has wrapping papers as does the Paper Warehouse
on Kirkwood Rd. There's a store in Crestwood Plaza that sells Origami Paper,
but I can't remember their name. I go to the Michaels on N. Lindbergh too,
and the one on Manchester. And of course the Science Center and Art Museum
has paper. I've never heard of School Tools (gotta check that out). Sometimes
(not always) the Ben Franklin in Webster has paper. After the holidays I
usually spend a day I call my "Paper Scavenger Hunt Day" looking for new
papers. I'll let you know what I come up with.

Clare
St. Louis, MO (Crestwood)





Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 20:47:42 -0400 (AST)
From: Jean Villemaire <boyer@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: Ottawa stores?

Garry Robertson, Fenco MacLaren, MCDV Project wrote:
>
> I'm going to be in Ottawa from 14 to 18 Dec.  Any suggestions on
> stores for paper and/or books?
> There's a very large bookstore on Rideau st. near the Parliament.  It's open
till 10 every night.  I've seen some interesting books, many diferent ones,
in the hobby section.  They're all mixed up, though.

Jean Villemaire
Montreal, Quebec
boyer@videotron.ca





Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 21:49:40 -0400 (AST)
From: imcarrie@actrix.gen.nz (Ian Carrie)
Subject: Sightings

The 23 November issue of "The Economist" begins an article on Japanese
micromachines thus:

'Anyone who doubts that the Japanese are keen on miniaturisation need only
watch an origami competition. One of the common challenges is to fold the
smallest paper bird. Some competitors manage it starting with just a few
square millimetres of paper. .....'

Also one of our bookstore chains has a Christmas TV ad which includes what
appears to be the folding of a Christmas tree in a container from a single
square of paper. The 'folding ' is so fast that one can't tell whether or
not it is true. The end result is a 3-D tree composed of concertina-type
folds on a cubic box. Does anyone know of such a model?

Ian Carrie

Wellington
New Zealand





Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 22:28:30 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Folding multiple equilateral triangles (was Re: equilateral
         triangle-[NO])

On Thu, 5 Dec 1996, Magdalena Cano Plewinska wrote:

=On Thu, 5 Dec 1996 00:55:02 -0400 (AST), Joseph Wu
=<origami@planet.datt.co.jp>  wrote:
=> It's possible, using the aforementioned methods, to make a
=>bunch of connected equilateral triangles from a large sheet of paper (such as
=>giftwrap). It's just a matter of repeating the crease pattern along the length
=>of the paper. I use a grid of equilateral triangles to do my dragon scales
=>tessellation.
=Can you be more explicit as to your method for doing this? It sounds
=exciting.

For any long rectangle (length does not matter):

1) Fold the paper in half, length-wise.

A
----------------------------------------------------------
|                                                       /
|                                                      /
|                                                      \
| - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -/
|                                                     /
|                                                     \
|                                                      \
---------------------------------------------------------
B

2) Fold corner (A) to the middle line, pivoting on corner (B). Unfold.
   You have made a point (C).

A       C
----------------------------------------------------------
|      /                                                /
|     /                                                /
|    /                                                 \
| - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -/
|  /                                                  /
| /                                                   \
|/                                                     \
---------------------------------------------------------
B

3) Fold crease (BC) to the top edge of the paper and unfold.
   Now there is a point (D).

A       C
----------------------------------------------------------
|      /\                                               /
|     /  \                                             /
|    /    \                                            \
| - - - - -\- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -/
|  /        \                                         /
| /          \                                        \
|/            \                                        \
---------------------------------------------------------
B              D

4) Repeat step (3) by folding crease (CD) to the bottom edge of the rectangle.
   By continuing along this way, alternating top and bottom edges, you will
   end up with a strip of equilateral triangles

=>Why must the Star of David (Magen David?) be made from an equilateral
=>triangle? There are at least two six-pointed star designs that are made from
=>square paper
=I meant: if you are going to start with a triangle and want your star
=to look radially symmetrical, you got to start with an equilateral
=triangle.

Ah. I understand now. Sorry about that!

          Joseph Wu           Faith: When you have come to the end of all the
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   light that you know and need to step into the
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  darkness of the unknown, Faith is knowing that
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami one of two things will happen: either there will
 Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.   be something solid to stand on or you will be
    http://www.datt.co.jp     taught how to fly.                --Anonymous





Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 23:11:52 -0400 (AST)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Origami books

Kate:

About the origami book with "lots of modulars":

Can you tell us who is the author of the book?
Who is the publisher?

Also: Is there a number that starts out "ISBN"
somewhere on the cover? Look on the back cover
and inside where the copyright notice is.

This "ISBN" number is the surest way to identify
a particular book in any language.

Do you like the modular origami especially? Some
of us can help you with more good book titles if you
like modular origami.

If you don't get an answer to your other question
about the Flower Tower, send another message to
the Origami-l in a week or so.  Many people in the
USA are on a long Holiday, so everybody may not be
reading the list right now.

Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com
http://users.aol.com/valerivann/index.html





Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 23:16:53 -0400 (AST)
From: Jean Villemaire <boyer@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: When Pigs Grow Wings and Fly diagrams

Mark Morden wrote:
>
> This is the one you've been waiting for.  With the kind permission of
> Joseph Wu, I have posted diagrams of his model "When Pigs Grow Wings and
> Fly."  Visit my Origami Olio (address below) and follow the link to the
> Gallery - II page.  There are 6 diagrams in GIF file format.  The diagrams
> are hand drawings with text added so you wouldn't have to read my
> handwriting.

Thank you so much for this early Christmas gift.  My daughter is a pig
maniac.  She collects anything bearing a twisted tail and a snout.  She was
rolling in mud after I gave her this model ! :-)  Rear legs are real ham and
the chin is so realistic, the animal almost slavered while I was completing
the wings !  So BRAVO ! to Joseph for your peculiar idea (a pig with wings...
How about a caterpillar wearing headphones ?) and Mark for your easy to
follow diagrams (except for step 6, where I had to guess, and 13 to 19 I had
to start over four times - what does that W in a circle stand for anyway?).

I had seen once a photo of Isao Honda's pig in Dominique Buisson's "Manuel
pratique d'origami" (p. 62) ; then, at the Papier japonais shop in Montreal,
I crossed another book with diagrams to find out it was a compound model.
But by the time I got enough money to purchase the book, it was gone...  If
anyone knows what model I'm talking about, can you be kind enough to let me
know.

Jean Villemaire





Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 00:05:31 -0400 (AST)
From: mplewinska@earthlink.net (Magdalena Cano Plewinska)
Subject: Re: Folding multiple equilateral triangles (was Re: equilateral
         triangle-[NO])

On Thu, 5 Dec 1996 22:28:36 -0400 (AST), Joseph Wu
<origami@planet.datt.co.jp>  wrote:

[To fold triangles from a long rectangle]
>For any long rectangle (length does not matter):
>
>1) Fold the paper in half, length-wise.

etc., etc.......

Cool! It really is an extension of the square method, just as you
said. Thanks.

   - Magda Plewinska
     Miami, FL, USA
     Email: mplewinska@earthlink.net





Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 00:58:29 -0400 (AST)
From: JMontroll@aol.com
Subject: 5-sided and Chess Board & Pieces

Hi,

Long time ago I came up with the 5-sided square. Though it was diagrammed as
a trial and error beginning, the first fold is the same as for the gorilla in
African Animals and tyrannosaurus in Prehistoric. At the same time I also
made a 6-sided square which is much easier (the guides for the first folds
come from kite folds, or the last folds of the traditional cup). I used a
related form of the 5-sided square for the mountain goat in North American
Animals. Though I made many models from the 5-s idea I later made them again
with other methods, hence not published.

As for the chess board, it comes out 2/9 of the side of the square. The
pieces were meant to all be propotional to each other if folded from the same
size.

Bye- John





Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 08:25:02 -0400 (AST)
From: Yusri Johan <gs01yyj@panther.Gsu.EDU>
Subject: Origami Opportunity in Atl., GA

For origami-l subscribers in Atlanta,
        I got a call yesterday evening from a TV commercial producer
wanting to do an ad with origami in it.  He is looking for a good folder
to help him with this ad.  The shooting will take all day Tuesday and
Wednesday.  Since, I can't take off from work on those two days, I would
like to give this opportunity to someone else who can do it on those two
days.  I am reluctant to post my phone number to the list, but if you are
interested in this job, please email me at:

gs01yyj@panther.gsu.edu

before 1 p.m. and I will give a bit more details and how to contact
producer.

regards,
Yusri





Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 10:18:08 -0400 (AST)
From: "Sergei Y. Afonkin" <sergei@origami.nit.spb.su>
Subject: Second Russian Conference is coming...

   Dear friends,

   I would  like to inform you that our St.Petersburg Origami Center
organizes Second All-Russian Conference "Origami and Education".  As
last  time it comes about the beginning of Spring school vacation in
St.Petersburg 22-23 March in a school No.513.  In the schedule there
will be reports,  exhibition,  folding session and much fun! We plan
not just the same as small island in Pacific Ocean at Summer and all
reports  will  be  in  Russian,  but  in  case  somebody   like   to
participate, please write directly to me as the chairman

Your Sergei Afonkin, the chairman of St.Petersburg Origami Center
                                  ,    ,
sergei@origami.nit.spb.su        ("\''/").___..--''"`-._
                                 `9_ 9  )   `-.  (     ).`-.__.`)
                                 (_Y_.)'  ._   )  `._ `. ``-..-'





Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 10:36:39 -0400 (AST)
From: Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com
Subject: paper alert

This is a little late, but I just opened a roll of wrapping paper I bought
before
Halloween & was amazed. It's a silver paper backed foil that I bought at a
"dollar store" in Portland, Maine. My sister told me at the time that they had
had similar paper for a while, so it's possible that there's still some
around...

The paper is incredibly thick--it would be perfect for large models, sturdy
boxes, or anything that requires heavy weight paper. I paid a dollar for a
roll that claimed to be 30 square feet but is in fact much larger. They had
silver and gold, and there were clearly two different kinds of paper being
sold as the same thing. I chose the rolls that looked like they had the most
paper. I can only guess that they  were sold to the dollar store because
they had been mislabeled. (The other paper was thinner and the foil
looked poorly attached to the paper.)

So check your local dollar store--this stuff is probably long gone, but it
might be worth the adventure. If you are in the Portland (Maine) area,
I can try to explain the location of the store where I found it.

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com
Boston, MA
