




Date: Sun, 01 Dec 1996 05:42:54 -0400 (AST)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Re: Intro and Paper Question

At 03:23 AM 11/29/96 -0400, you wrote:
>        (snip)...  I was introduced to origami through a package of paper
from San Francisco's (now gone) Japanese Deer Park in the mid-50's.  Did
very little folding after exhausting the possibilities in the little
instruction sheet in the package...

Sounds familiar!  I got a pack of paper from the Japanese Deer Garden in
Southern California and was hooked.  For a long time afterwards I bought
many additional packs of the same paper just to see if the instruction sheet
had any new designs.

>In the early seventies, my wife brought me a package of round
>paper from somewhere in California and about the same time (snip)

I bought this stuff too.  Has anyone ever found anything you can do with it?

>However, when I found this list on the 'Net, I was hooked for sure.
>There is so much going on that I didn't know about before...

My only previous exposure was a book by Isao Honda which relied primarily on
variations of the crane base for most of the models.

>Even though I started more years ago then I would like to admit, I'm
>really not much more than a beginner.  The most complex model I've completed
>to date is Montroll's Blue Shark (a really great model), but I still prefer
>simpler folds, at least for now.

I felt the same way when I joined, and this list can be very intimidating
because so many experts contribute to it.  But just listening to everyone
talk and hearing about the models others are working on has been an
inspiration.  It has been particularly encouraging to find that other
folders experience ripped paper, confusing diagrams, uncertain instructions
and the like.  As a result, my skills have improved dramatically, as well as
the complexity of the models I choose.

                         ''~``
                        ( o o )
+------------------.oooO--(_)--Oooo.------------------+
|                                                     |
|          "Origami: Welcome to the Fold!"            |
|                Steve Woodmansee                     |
|              Bend, Oregon U.S.A.                    |
|                                                     |
|                    .oooO                            |
|                    (   )   Oooo.                    |





Date: Sun, 01 Dec 1996 11:17:13 -0400 (AST)
From: Nicolas Stampf <stampf@netsurf.org>
Subject: [FR + UK] Christmas greeting cards

[FR part]

Bonjour,

Je suis francais, et je plie depuis maintenant quelques annees. J'ai
l'intention, pour la premiere fois, de plier des cartes de voeux. Je vais
emprunter des livres sur le sujet a l'association francais de pliage (MFPP).

J'aurais aime placer un commentaire en chinois (que j'essaye d'apprendre),
ou en japonais relatif a cette periode de l'annee ("joyeux noel", ou
maximes, poemes, etc), que je n'ai pas dans mon (petit) dictionnaire
francais-chinois.

Quelqu'un sur la liste pourrait-il m'aider ou me dire ou trouver (sur
internet de preference) de telles informations ? Je pense notamment a Joseph
Wu :)

Je possede la version shareware de NJ Star Chinese.
Je vais aussi acheter les deux livres de haikus qui me manquent (j'ai deja
Printemps et Ete).

[English part]

Hello,

I'm french, and I'm folding for quite a few years now. I would like (for the
first time) to send Folded Christmas Cards. I'm going to borrow books on the
subject at the french folders association (MFPP: Mouvement Francais des
Plieurs de Papier).

I would like to write a comment in chinese (which I'm trying to learn) or in
japanese, relative to this part of the year (something like "merry
christmas", some sayings or even poems), all of which I don't have in my
(small) french to chinese dictionnary.

Is there somebody here who can help me, or tell me where I can find (on
Internet would be cool) such informations ? I'm thinking first of Joseph Wu :)

I have the shareware version of NJ Star Chinese.
And I'm going to buy the 2 haikus books I miss (I have Spring and Summer).

N. Stampf





Date: Sun, 01 Dec 1996 12:25:48 -0400 (AST)
From: Mark Morden <marmonk@eskimo.com>
Subject: When Pigs Grow Wings and Fly diagrams

This is the one you've been waiting for.  With the kind permission of Joseph
Wu, I have posted diagrams of his model "When Pigs Grow Wings and Fly."
Visit my Origami Olio (address below) and follow the link to the Gallery -
II page.  There are 6 diagrams in GIF file format.  The diagrams are hand
drawings with text added so you wouldn't have to read my handwriting.  There
is also a ZIP file of all 6 pages for you to download.

Thanks again to Joseph and also to Phil Yee who taught us the model at our
PAPER meeting a few months ago.

P.S.  There are more updates coming to my web page in the next few weeks, so
stay tuned.

Mark

Mark Morden == marmonk@mail.eskimo.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~marmonk/
--------------------------------------------------------
I believe in Christianity as I believe that the Sun
has risen; not only because I see it, but because by it
I see everything else.
                       C.S. Lewis, "The Weight of Glory"





Date: Sun, 01 Dec 1996 15:23:12 -0400 (AST)
From: Michael & Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: [FR + UK] Christmas greeting cards

Nicolas Stampf wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm french, and I'm folding for quite a few years now. I would like (for the
> first time) to send Folded Christmas Cards. I'm going to borrow books on the
> subject at the french folders association (MFPP: Mouvement Francais des
> Plieurs de Papier).
>
> I would like to write a comment in chinese (which I'm trying to learn) or in
> japanese

Try out the following web sites for Japanese:

TRANSLATING JAPANESE
--------------------

Here's also an aside for MICROSOFT INTERNET EXPLORER USERS
ONLY.  There is a japanese character set available at the
Microsoft web site.  This set will will let you view html in
Japanese.

For those of you studying Japanese and who have internet
access, try the following sub-page of the Human Languages site
(an amazing web resource):
http://www.willamette.edu/wdbin/searchdb.pl?stype=DIV2&search=Japanese
It includes a link to an internet service that will translate
English to Japanese, or Japanese to English ($30/month)
immediately via email .... and you can find some information
about translation software for PCs.

Be sure to see the link:
http://www.realtime.net/~adamrice/h1/index.html where you can
subscribe to a mailing list for Japanese translation.

By the way, I occasionally use one of the online Japanese
dictionaries for the occasional origami vocabulary. Here is one
that you can type in japanese in romanji (Enlish) characters:
http://www.wg.omron.co.jp/cgi-bin/j-e

For those who are Japanese learners: Just visit Professor Jim
Breen's Japanese Page
(http://www.rdt.monash.edu.au/~jwb/japanese.html).

Janet Hamilton

--
mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/





Date: Sun, 01 Dec 1996 18:34:25 -0400 (AST)
From: bc808@lafn.org (Karen Liebgott)
Subject: [NO] French BBS

French-speaking Canadians and Americans might be interested in a French BBS
accessible via the web and telnet. I saw a blurb about it in an internet
magazine. Can be found at:

   www.france.com

----------------------------------------------------------------
                                        Karen Liebgott
                                        bc808@lafn.org
                                       Los Angeles-Metro





Date: Sun, 01 Dec 1996 20:43:33 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: [FR + UK] Christmas greeting cards

On Sun, 1 Dec 1996, Nicolas Stampf wrote:

=[English part]

Silly me. I fought my way through the French version, never realizing that there
was an English version below.

=I'm french, and I'm folding for quite a few years now. I would like (for the
=first time) to send Folded Christmas Cards. I'm going to borrow books on the
=subject at the french folders association (MFPP: Mouvement Francais des
=Plieurs de Papier).
=
=I would like to write a comment in chinese (which I'm trying to learn) or in
=japanese, relative to this part of the year (something like "merry
=christmas", some sayings or even poems), all of which I don't have in my
=(small) french to chinese dictionnary.
=
=Is there somebody here who can help me, or tell me where I can find (on
=Internet would be cool) such informations ? I'm thinking first of Joseph Wu :)

Well, sorry, but I can't help you! While I can speak Chinese just fine, I cannot
read nor write it (well, except for a few simple things). Perhaps SY Chen could
help? (Don't you just love passing the buck?)

          Joseph Wu           Faith: When you have come to the end of all the
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   light that you know and need to step into the
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  darkness of the unknown, Faith is knowing that
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami one of two things will happen: either there will
 Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.   be something solid to stand on or you will be
    http://www.datt.co.jp     taught how to fly.                --Anonymous





Date: Sun, 01 Dec 1996 23:08:46 -0400 (AST)
From: Jean Villemaire <boyer@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: [FR + UK] Christmas greeting cards

Nicolas Stampf wrote:

> Je suis francais, et je plie depuis maintenant quelques annees. J'ai
> l'intention, pour la premiere fois, de plier des cartes de voeux. Je vais
> emprunter des livres sur le sujet a l'association francais de pliage
> (MFPP).

Je suis heureux que tu te manifestes.  D'ou ecris-tu au juste ?  Quelles
sortes de cartes avais-tu l'intention de faire ?  Des cartes-pliages ou de
simples cartons comportant un origami ?

> J'aurais aime placer un commentaire en chinois (que j'essaye d'apprendre),
> ou en japonais relatif a cette periode de l'annee ("joyeux noel", ou
> maximes, poemes, etc), que je n'ai pas dans mon (petit) dictionnaire
> francais-chinois.
>
> Quelqu'un sur la liste pourrait-il m'aider ou me dire ou trouver (sur
> internet de preference) de telles informations ? Je pense notamment a
> Joseph Wu :)

Tu peux essayer cette adresse ou japonais apprenant le francais et
francophones apprenant le japonais peuvent correspondre :

        http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~qq5b-mcln/

> Je possede la version shareware de NJ Star Chinese.
> Je vais aussi acheter les deux livres de haikus qui me manquent (j'ai deja
> Printemps et Ete).

Je te laisse aussi l'adresse de Origami-Montreal.  Si tu trouves du materiel
interessant a partager en francais, fais-le nous savoir :

        http://tornade.ere.umontreal.ca/~gonzalep/origami.html

Au plaisir,

Jean Villemaire
Montreal, Quebec
boyer@videotron.ca





Date: Sun, 01 Dec 1996 23:27:07 -0400 (AST)
From: Jean Villemaire <boyer@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: [NO] French BBS

Karen Liebgott wrote:
>
> French-speaking Canadians and Americans might be interested in a French BBS
> accessible via the web and telnet. I saw a blurb about it in an internet
> magazine. Can be found at:
>
>    www.france.com

What does [NO] stand for ?  What is a BBS ?  I tried to access the site.  It
was unaccessible from my server ( Netscape via Videotron ).  Am I doomed ?
Will I miss anything essential ?  Do you speak french ?  Do you do any
origami ?  Was does living mean ?  AAAAAAARRRRRGGG !!!  GASP...

Jean Villemaire
Montreal, Quebec
boyervideotron.ca





Date: Sun, 01 Dec 1996 23:57:51 -0400 (AST)
From: bc808@lafn.org (Karen Liebgott)
Subject: Re: [NO] French BBS

>Karen Liebgott wrote:
>>
>> French-speaking Canadians and Americans might be interested in a French BBS
>> accessible via the web and telnet. I saw a blurb about it in an internet
>> magazine. Can be found at:
>>
>>    www.france.com
>
>What does [NO] stand for ?  What is a BBS ?  I tried to access the site.  It
>was unaccessible from my server ( Netscape via Videotron ).  Am I doomed ?
>Will I miss anything essential ?  Do you speak french ?  Do you do any
>origami ?  Was does living mean ?  AAAAAAARRRRRGGG !!!  GASP...

1. [NO] was suggested as a way of marking Non-Origami related topics. I
know there are a lot of people on the list that speak French so I thought
I'd inform them of this info I found. (No, I don't speak French)

2. A BBS is an electronic Bulletin Board System. They are usually outside
the internet, though some, like this one, are accessible through the
internet, and some provide internet access.

3. If you could not access the site, try again later. Sites can only have
so many people connecting at once and this is the _weekend_, you know  :^)

P.S. I just visited. It is there. It looks like it's also in English but I
didn't explore it. Don't know if there's any origami but maybe you could
change that!?

4. Yes, I do origami and I've been on this list about 1 1/2 months but I
mostly lurk.

What's Videotron???? :^)

----------------------------------------------------------------
                                        Karen Liebgott
                                        bc808@lafn.org
                                       Los Angeles-Metro
                                  Member, HTML Writers Guild





Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 00:37:17 -0400 (AST)
From: mplewinska@earthlink.net (Magdalena Cano Plewinska)
Subject: Closed Wrap

Hi everyone!

I've been lurking for a few months and now I finally have a question,
so I'll take the opportunity to introduce myself.

I've been folding for many years but in the past three years I have
been folding only at Christmas time because of being too busy with
other obligations (also because origami has a limited life span at my
house - the cats love "hunting and killing" it). My favorite folds are
animals and I also love to make those beautiful colorful modular
boxes.

Anyway, I have time to fold again and have been looking over my old
books.  I was practicing the closed wrap in "Origami Zoo" by Lang &
Weiss and I noticed what I think (and fervently hope :-)) is a mistake
in the diagram. The preliminary fold on page 24 has 5 flaps. All such
folds I ever made have had only four. Has anyone else noticed this? Is
it a mistake or am I missing something here?

Thanks,

   - Magda Plewinska
     Miami, FL, USA
     Email: mplewinska@earthlink.net





Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 00:58:57 -0400 (AST)
From: Carpenter <carpentr@rmi.net>
Subject: John Montroll's Chess Board & Pieces

Hi

Has anybody suceesfully folded the chess board & pieces in John Montrolls
book 'Origami Inside Out'?

If so, could you please advise me on the relative sizes of paper required
for the board and pieces. I have just finished folding the board out of a 30
inches square piece of paper which yielded a chess board a little over 6.5
inches square with each square being 13/16ths inches square. I have
experimented a little with the pieces but can't quite get the right ratios.
Can anyone help?

For those of you who work in metrics 30 inches = 762mm, 6.5 inches = 165mm
and 13/16 inches = 21mm or near enough.

Thanks

Andy





Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 02:06:39 -0400 (AST)
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: Closed Wrap

At 12:37 AM 12/2/96 -0400, mplewinska@earthlink.net (Magdalena Cano
Plewinska) wrote:

>Anyway, I have time to fold again and have been looking over my old
>books.  I was practicing the closed wrap in "Origami Zoo" by Lang &
>Weiss and I noticed what I think (and fervently hope :-)) is a mistake
>in the diagram. The preliminary fold on page 24 has 5 flaps. All such
>folds I ever made have had only four. Has anyone else noticed this? Is
>it a mistake or am I missing something here?

That looks like a mistake to me.  The first diagram does show the folding
pattern for the standard 4 sided preliminary base. I imagine this error was
overlooked, as it does not affect the clarity of the remaining diagrams. As
an aside, a 5 sided preliminary base does exist; John Montroll has one
published in his second book.

Marc





Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 03:32:22 -0400 (AST)
From: Tim Heil <teach@ezl.com>
Subject: Another paper question

        I live near the St. Louis, MO area and wondered if anyone else on
the list knows of a good source(s) of paper in that area.

        Places I've found so far:

        Michael's Crafts on N. Lindbergh
        School Tools N. Lindbergh
        Dick Blick Art Supply, Fairview Heights, IL.
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|| Tim Heil                ||     I wouldn't have seen it     ||
|| (teach@ezl.com)         ||     if I hadn't believed it.    ||





Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 03:37:18 -0400 (AST)
From: Tim Heil <teach@ezl.com>
Subject: Steve Woodmansee's response

        I wrote:

>>In the early seventies, my wife brought me a package of round
>>paper from somewhere in California and about the same time (snip)

        and Steve wrote:

>I bought this stuff too.  Has anyone ever found anything you can do with it?

        The only thing I can ever remember folding from this paper was a
very simple butterfly, similar to a traditional morning-glory flower.  I
would like to find this fold again, but haven't been able to so far.  It's
so simple that I'm probably just overlooking the obvious

>I felt the same way when I joined, and this list can be very intimidating
because so many experts contribute to it.  But just listening to everyone
talk and hearing about the models others are working on has been an
inspiration.  It has been particularly encouraging to find that other
folders experience ripped paper, confusing diagrams, uncertain instructions
and the like.  As a result, my skills have improved dramatically, as well as
the complexity of the models I choose.

        I wasn't so much intimidated as amazed and delighted.  Imagine, John
Montroll and Robert Lang are actually contributors to this list (not to
mention the other talented folders whose designs have been published).  I
bought Montroll's "Origami for the Enthusiast" several years ago and had
decided that omly a masochist or an extremely skilled and experienced person
could fold some (most) of those models.  After lurking here for a few days
and reading some of the archives I realized that there's hope for me yet (at
least I hope there's hope for me :-))  My skills have improved dramatically,
too.  Just a simple hint about about "fudging" folds early in a model to
make later folds easier has made some models accessible to me that I
wouldn't even have attempted before.

        I hope that, in time, I will have something more constructive to
contribute to this list rather than simply gushing about how great it is.

        Oh, BTW, thanks to Bob and Karen for the inquiries about Chile-heads
--- May the burn be with you.
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|| Tim Heil                ||     I wouldn't have seen it     ||
|| (teach@ezl.com)         ||     if I hadn't believed it.    ||





Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 08:28:46 -0400 (AST)
From: "P.F.C. Blondel" <blondel@sara.nl>
Subject: San Jose (CA) information request

    Hi there,

I will be in San Jose (CA) for a conference from friday afternoon (6th)
until friday 13th. The meetings start on Sunday afternoon, so I'll have
the whole saturday to get used to the time difference and to look around
in San Jose.
Anyone out there who is familiar with this town, and knows some bookshops
worthwhile to visit (or something else which is origami related) ?

I will be staying in the Fairmont hotel in South Marketstreet, but I do
not know if that is in the center or not.

   Bye
       Peter Blondel
       Haarlem, The Netherlands





Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 10:49:13 -0400 (AST)
From: rita <rstevens@philly.infi.net>
Subject: Rose frustrations (formerly:Santa CLaus)

I, unfortunately, haven't progessed to that stage yet.  The twisting and
subsequent locking doesn't make alot of sense to me yet.  I've tried at
least on four different occasions, to no avail.  I have no idea what I'm
doing wrong?
Rita
Philadelphia, PA

At 10:00 PM 11/27/96 -0400, Cathy Palmer-Lister wrote:

>Hi, Jorma!  I just figured out the rose recently thanks to Gerard Blais, and
>I have been folding roses by the dozen ever since.  I am so captivated by
>the gracefulness of the whole thing.  I don't understand why I didn't get it
>before--it seems so easy now.  I am filling a bag with pretty little roses
>to uses as package decoration for gifts.
>
>
>                    Cathy





Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 11:56:57 -0400 (AST)
From: Maarten van Gelder <M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: Re: Dahlia Model

m> I downloaded the "dahlia" model from the origami FTP site.  If anyone is
m> familiar with this model, I have a question.  I got all the way up to the
m> last step, where the model is opened out to 3D.  However, there are no
m> instructions on how to keep the model in this position.  Is there
m> supposed to be a lock of some kind to keep the model opened?

It is a long time ago I designed this model. So I had to go back to the
diagrams. But maybe this will help you:

In the last stage:
   Center: Put the left flap behind the right flap
   Rest:   The left flap overlaps the right end for 2/16 (two 'strips')

Because of the bending the lock works, but not very firmly.
If you tried it several times on the same sheet, you'd better start all over
again and make a neat folded model.

Some time ago I tried and folded it again. The first sheet went in the
dustbin after several tries. The second was better, but not very good.

Good luck ...

Maarten van Gelder,           Rekencentrum RuG,  RijksUniversiteit Groningen
M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl                         Nederland





Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 12:06:55 -0400 (AST)
From: Nicolas Stampf <stampf@netsurf.org>
Subject: Xmas cards

Answer in english for everyone :)

>mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
>http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/

>Well, sorry, but I can't help you! While I can speak Chinese just fine, I
cannot
>read nor write it (well, except for a few simple things). Perhaps SY Chen could
>help? (Don't you just love passing the buck?)

>Je suis heureux que tu te manifestes.  D'ou ecris-tu au juste ?  Quelles
>sortes de cartes avais-tu l'intention de faire ?  Des cartes-pliages ou de
>simples cartons comportant un origami ?

I'm working and living near Paris, France. I would like to make either some
cards with a nice looking fold (open and see nice looking mountain and
valley folds), or a card with a crane embbeded into it, or whatever you
thought of:)

>Tu peux essayer cette adresse ou japonais apprenant le francais et
>francophones apprenant le japonais peuvent correspondre :

Thanks for all the web pages mentionned! I'll have a look as soon as possible.

N. Stampf





Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 14:24:07 -0400 (AST)
From: mplewinska@earthlink.net (Magdalena Cano Plewinska)
Subject: Re: Closed Wrap

On Mon, 2 Dec 1996 02:06:47 -0400 (AST), Marc Kirschenbaum wrote:

>That looks like a mistake to me.

Well, thank goodness! I THOUGHT someone just forgot to erase that
extra flap. And, yes, I had no problems following the diagrams (except
I _DO_ wish they would color the two sides of the paper differently in
this book, which I otherwise love).

> As
>an aside, a 5 sided preliminary base does exist; John Montroll has one
>published in his second book.

Which book?

   - Magda Plewinska
     Miami, FL, USA
     Email: mplewinska@earthlink.net





Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 17:35:24 -0400 (AST)
From: Jennifer Andre <JAndre@cfipro.com>
Subject: Origami Sighting Advance Notice!

     Hello, all!

     NBC (a US television broadcasting network) will rerun the first
     episode of "The Pretender" on Saturday, December 7th.  This episode
     features a really nice origami model (actually three for the special
     effects, if I remember correctly).

     Back to "lurk"!

     - Jennifer
     JAndre@cfipro.com





Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 17:46:39 -0400 (AST)
From: Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com
Subject: Origami Sighting (?)

One of the radio shows I heard on NPR this past weekend
(Sunday between 10 and 11:30 am) had a piece about traveling
to different countries. The woman was describing bedding in
various countries that she had been to and described the
complexity of the bedding in a German hotel:
<misquoted!>
"The bedspread was folded back into an origami frog..."





Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 19:22:06 -0400 (AST)
From: Michael & Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Dahlia Model

Maarten van Gelder wrote:
> It is a long time ago I designed this model. So I had to go back to the
> diagrams. But maybe this will help you:
>
> In the last stage:
>    Center: Put the left flap behind the right flap
>    Rest:   The left flap overlaps the right end for 2/16 (two 'strips')
>
> Because of the bending the lock works, but not very firmly.
> If you tried it several times on the same sheet, you'd better start all over
> again and make a neat folded model.
>
> Some time ago I tried and folded it again. The first sheet went in the
> dustbin after several tries. The second was better, but not very good.
>
> Good luck ...

Maarten,

Thanks for the information.  I love flower models, and I had fun folding
the dahlia.  Just a word of caution to anyone else who tries it - don't
use foil!  Because it involves reversing and re-reversing the same
creases, I found foil to be very frustrating.  Paper worked much better.

Janet Hamilton

--
mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/





Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 20:18:37 -0400 (AST)
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: 5 sided preliminary base (was Re: Closed Wrap)

At 02:24 PM 12/2/96 -0400, mplewinska@earthlink.net (Magdalena Cano
Plewinska) wrote:

>> As
>>an aside, a 5 sided preliminary base does exist; John Montroll has one
>>published in his second book.
>
>Which book?

The base is in his *Animal Origami for the Enthusiast* (ISBN
0-486-24792-9). It is the first 21 steps of the *Starfish* model. I always
thought it was strange for all of the excitement generated by the base,
even John Montroll himself has not had any published works with it since.

Marc





Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 21:13:18 -0400 (AST)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Cartoon in the Origami Tanteidan Newsletter

The Origami Tanteidan Newsletter arrived yesterday and I thought I'd share a
cartoon from it with you.

Title: Very kind origami

Panel 1: A boy, with tears of joy streaming down his face, holds a traditional
crane (orizuru) over his head and exclaims, "I did it!"

Panel 2: A close up of the last diagram for that model in the book. It's
labeled, "Step 167".

Maybe you just have to see it... 8)

          Joseph Wu           Faith: When you have come to the end of all the
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   light that you know and need to step into the
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  darkness of the unknown, Faith is knowing that
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami one of two things will happen: either there will
 Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.   be something solid to stand on or you will be
    http://www.datt.co.jp     taught how to fly.                --Anonymous





Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 21:47:59 -0400 (AST)
From: Steve Nielsen <nielsen@tc1.sims.nrc.ca>
Subject: Re_Closed_Wrap

In regards to the recent comments on the diagrams
for the closed wrap on page 24 of Origami Zoo:
they are correct!
The folding does not produce a preliminary base,
but I can see how one might be tempted to just
skim the diagrams and assume that they are for
a preliminary base. (The crimp in step 2 should
be folding through all the layers.)

        Steve Nielsen
        Toronto, Canada





Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 02:11:39 -0400 (AST)
From: Michael & Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: San Jose (CA) information request

P.F.C. Blondel wrote:
> I will be in San Jose (CA) for a conference from friday afternoon (6th)
> until friday 13th. The meetings start on Sunday afternoon, so I'll have
> the whole saturday to get used to the time difference and to look around
> in San Jose.
> Anyone out there who is familiar with this town, and knows some bookshops
> worthwhile to visit (or something else which is origami related) ?

There is a Kinokuniya shop listed for San Jose:
San Jose 408-252-1300

There are also a bunch of places that have been mentioned in San Francisco:

Aitoh
1434 28th Ave.
San Francisco, CA 94122
1-800-681-5533
FAX 415-566-1448
Ask for catalog, minimum order $100 or so. If you pay up front they ship free

In San Francisco, there is a small Kinokuniya stationery shop
corner across from the big Kinokuniya bookstore in the
Japantown mall (JapanTown Center, Kinokuniya Building)
Kinokuniya Stationary and Gift 415-567-8901
Kinokuniya Bookstores
1581 Webster Street
San Francisco 415-567-7625

Kotobuki
South San Francisco
Kotobuki Trading Company is the principal supplier of
origami papers to the retail trade.
Kotobuki only sells wholesale to the retail trade.

The Paper Tree
1743 Buchanan Mall
San Fransisco, CA 94115
(415) 921-7100

Janet Hamilton

--
mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/





Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 05:20:39 -0400 (AST)
From: Katharina Grif <Katharina.Grif@uibk.ac.at>
Subject: Re: Origami books

   Hi everyone!
I live in Innsbruck (Austria) and it is very
difficult to get origami books here. Through
web-sites i found a lot of them and ordered
some of them in our bookshop in Oktober. I still
wait,when they come!!!!!!!
 For some times ago i have seen very nice book on
origami-it was with drawing-diagramms,a lot of
modular origami and histories about folding and
peoples,who made them. For example there was folding
of pentagon-units from A4 size of paper and making
3D-model from them-it is so great! The question is
does anyone know this book(it was of course in
English) ?
 Yesterday i was in Erik Andersen HP and saw a nice
picture of flower tower from Chris Palmer there.
Where can i found the diagramm to fold it?
 Great thanks to Mark Modern- yesterday i've
folded the model "When pigs grow wings and fly"
with help of his diagramms- it was soooooo cool :))

     thank you all for your origami-web world,
                                          Kate :)





Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:08:45 -0400 (AST)
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Re: Closed Wrap

>>Anyway, I have time to fold again and have been looking over my old
>>books.  I was practicing the closed wrap in "Origami Zoo" by Lang &
>>Weiss and I noticed what I think (and fervently hope :-)) is a mistake
>>in the diagram. The preliminary fold on page 24 has 5 flaps. All such
>>folds I ever made have had only four. Has anyone else noticed this? Is
>>it a mistake or am I missing something here?
>
>That looks like a mistake to me.  The first diagram does show the folding
>pattern for the standard 4 sided preliminary base. I imagine this error was
>overlooked, as it does not affect the clarity of the remaining diagrams.

It's a mistake. That's because when we wrote _Zoo_, I hadn't yet discovered
Marc Kirschenbaum, Supreme Deity Among Origami Proofreader Demigods. (I
_highly_ recommend his services to other origami authors!)

Robert





Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 10:17:34 -0400 (AST)
From: Rjlang@aol.COM
Subject: Re: 5 sided preliminary base (was Re: Closed Wrap)

Marc wrote:

> The [5-sided preliminary fold] is in his [Montroll's] *Animal Origami for
the
> Enthusiast* (ISBN 0-486-24792-9). It is the first 21 steps of the
*Starfish* model.
> I always thought it was strange for all of the excitement generated by the
base,
> even John Montroll himself has not had any published works with it since.

I think the significance of this base is more symbolic: it's the idea that
you could take something that seemed immutable -- the Preliminary Fold -- and
change it in a seemingly impossible way -- adding an extra flap -- without
cutting.

If you know the semi-traditional (Honda?) flying crane model (trailing one
leg), you can give it two legs if you start with a five-sided Bird Base.

And for those who like a design challenge: Montroll's 5SPF is oriented along
the diagonal of the paper. There's another 5SPF that's oriented parallel to a
side (book-fold direction). It's fun to find and work out.

Robert J. Lang
rjlang@aol.com





Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:20:11 -0400 (AST)
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Re: San Jose (CA) information request

P.F.C. Blondel wrote:
> I will be in San Jose (CA) for a conference from friday afternoon (6th)
> until friday 13th. The meetings start on Sunday afternoon, so I'll have
> the whole saturday to get used to the time difference and to look around
> in San Jose.
> Anyone out there who is familiar with this town, and knows some bookshops
> worthwhile to visit (or something else which is origami related) ?

Although it's a bit of a drive from San Jose (where I work), the best source
of neat papers in the Bay area is Amsterdam Art Supply, in Berkeley (about 1
hour north of SJ).

Robert J. Lang
rjlang@aol.com





Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:38:57 -0400 (AST)
From: megazine@usa.net
Subject: Paper Folding Gift Ideas

Are you looking for a gift for an origamist or designer?

The December issue of eVO contains fifty(50) gift ideas for the designer.
Just travel to: <http://www.p-pub.com> and click on the HTML button.

>From the opening page select: "It's a Gift."  You now will be on the
architecture gift page.  All of the origami gifts are listed in the
"Hobbies" category.  You can use either the client-side imagemap
candy cane or the text navigation buttons at the bottom of the page

Enjoy.

Dave Prochnow
Editor in Chief
MrDave@p-pub.com





Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 11:46:12 -0400 (AST)
From: Kristine Tomlinson <ktomlinson@platinum.com>
Subject: Star Basket Video and paper source

Hi,

Recently, I contacted the creator of a VHS video showing how to create
the 1830s "rosette" basket I wrote about earlier.  The "rosette" is what
we now call the Swedish, Bethlehem, Christmas, etc. star.  Following is
information about the video and paper.  It is entered here with
permission.   Samples of group I and II paper strips feel a bit stiffer than
20 weight (?), group III and IV paper samples are a very stiff paper.
Details follow.

Disclaimer:  I haven't seen the video, nor do I have any financial or other
connection, etc.

Kristine
ktomlinson@platinum.com
Waltham, MA, USA

Ordering Information:

Dinna Forget
P.O. Box 312
Brimfield, MA  01010

Video with practice strips are $15.95 each.

Paper strips come in four groups:
For May Baskets: 105 strips per package at $2.25.
  Group I: Cream white, powder blue, soft pink, mist green.
  Group II: Cool blue, dusty rose, moss green, peach.

For Stars:  100 strips per package at $2.25.
  Group III: red, green, goldenrod (these are dark "colonial" colors)
  Group IV: solid color choice (any one of above)
Paper strip sizes are 1/2 inch and 1 inch.

Include tax: for CT, FL, IL, MA, MD, MN, NJ, NY, PA, and VA residents.

Shipping and handling charges are as follows:

Up to $5.00 add $2.95 (these are US dollars)
$5.01 - $10.0 add $3.65
$10.01 - $20.00 add $4.95
$20.01 - $45.00 add $6.45
over $45.00 add $8.25
Orders outside U.S.A, add $8.50.
For Federal Express, add $7.00.
Sorry, no C.O.D. or cash orders.
Please allow 30 days delivery from receipt of order.
Include your name, mailing address, daytime and nightime telephone
numbers.





Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:05:24 -0400 (AST)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: 5 sided preliminary base (was Re: Closed Wrap)

Marc Kirschenbaum wrote:
+> The [5-sided preliminary fold] is in his [Montroll's] *Animal Origami for
+>the Enthusiast* (ISBN 0-486-24792-9). It is the first 21 steps of the
+>*Starfish* model.  I always thought it was strange for all of the excitement
+>generated by the base, even John Montroll himself has not had any published
+>works with it since.

To which Robert J. Lang replied:
+I think the significance of this base is more symbolic: it's the idea that
+you could take something that seemed immutable -- the Preliminary Fold --
+and change it in a seemingly impossible way -- adding an extra flap --
+without cutting.

I think Robert is right about the significance.  Now that there are
giga-point Sea Urchins of various colors and varieties, the 5sided square
and preliminary/waterbomb bases have languished.

Actually, I must admit that personally I hadn't folded those simpler models
and didn't realize that there was a 5sided square, etc., in that book until
just recently!  Since it isn't in the "front" with the regular "bases", I
didn't notice it just browsing...

I would think a 5sided waterbomb would be great for modulars!  Icosahedrons
here I come!

Let's see, with the Neale Waterbomb unit we can make three and four edged
vertices, starting with the Montroll 5sided square we can make 5 edged
vertices...

But there are two "gotchas" that might be discouraging, independent of other
advances in "point technology" -
    a) there are no landmarks given for the first three steps, it is
        completely trial and error.  This is probably the biggest mental
        hurdle, the hassle factor.
    b) To get to the "finished" 5sided square is a good number of steps
        compared to a 4sided preliminary or waterbomb base.  This would
        discourage using it in modulars because of the extra folding time
        involved (for 30+ units that can be daunting)!

So now I am going to have to analyze this thing and come up with the 6 sided
version!  (Just because it can be done).  (Ok, so no one hold your breath!)

-Doug





Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 15:33:23 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Re: 5 sided preliminary base (was Re: Closed Wrap)

   Marc Kirschenbaum wrote:
   +> The [5-sided preliminary fold] is in his [Montroll's] *Animal Origami for
   +>the Enthusiast* (ISBN 0-486-24792-9). It is the first 21 steps of the
   +>*Starfish* model.  I always thought it was strange for all of the
     excitement
   +>generated by the base, even John Montroll himself has not had any published
   +>works with it since.

Doug Philips wrote:

   So now I am going to have to analyze this thing and come up with the 6 sided
   version!  (Just because it can be done).  (Ok, so no one hold your breath!)

Yes, Doug it can be done.  The first thing I did, years ago when the
book first came out, after making the 5 sided base was to figure out
how to make a 6 sided base.  They are particularly useful for folding
lillies with the right number of petals.  Just the use the traditional
lilly fold (as shown is Honda's World of Origami), but with two extra
points.   I don't remember how I did it anymore, but it shouldn't take
long to reconstruct.

        -- Jeannine Mosely





Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 15:58:50 -0400 (AST)
From: "gerard (g.) blais" <gblais@nortel.ca>
Subject: re:ORIGAMI-L digest 552

>I, unfortunately, haven't progessed to that stage yet.  The twisting and
>subsequent locking doesn't make alot of sense to me yet.  I've tried at
>least on four different occasions, to no avail.  I have no idea what I'm
>doing wrong?  =

>Rita
>Philadelphia, PA

Hi Rita!  I also had trouble with the twist fold the first time I did
it.  The trick is to do it in the air (not resting on a table), and to
pinch the diagonals all the way up to the small square in the middle.
You do something similar to a waterbomb base.  With the paper in that
position, it is a lot easier to make the twist.

It's difficult to describe in text, but have a look at the diagrams
for kawasaki's rose in the archive (file 'rose3.ps').  Step 18
explains this well.

I hope this helps a little!  Good luck!

Gerard
--
G=E9rard Blais                     |      ^^         *    | gblais@nortel.c=
a
NAV Base and System Architecture |   ^^     __o         | tel: (514) 765-78=
68
Nortel Technology - 6V40         |       _ -\<,_        | FAX: (514) 761-87=
10
Montr=E9al, Qu=E9bec, Canada         |______(_)|/-(_)_______| ESN: 6-852-78=





Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:08:11 -0400 (AST)
From: Sandra Wambold <wambold@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: San Jose (CA) information request

There's a Kinokuniya bookstore in San Jose, but I don't know how good
a source it is, since I haven't visited it yet.  The one in San
Franciso's Japantown is quite nice though.

-sew
wambold@pobox.com





Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:48:02 -0400 (AST)
From: GURKEWITZ@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU
Subject: Re: 5 sided preliminary base (was Re: Closed Wrap)

If you start with an equilateral triangle, you can fold a three sided
preliminary base or a three sided waterbomb base too.

Rona





Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 17:23:25 -0400 (AST)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: 5 sided preliminary base (was Re: Closed Wrap)

Rona Gurkewitz wrote:

+If you start with an equilateral triangle, you can fold a three sided
+preliminary base or a three sided waterbomb base too.

True!

Sadly, if you start with an octagon, your eight sided bases are very thin.
Even the 6 sided bases from hexagons are too thin.  The nice thing about the
Montroll "style" is that you preserve the shape of the flaps from the 4sided
version.

-Doug





Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 21:09:41 -0400 (AST)
From: cathypl@generation.net (Cathy Palmer-Lister)
Subject: Re: Rose (Was: Re:Santa Claus)

>
>It's really beautiful model. People seem to like it a lot more than
>Kasahara's Angel from Origami Omnibus. Which makes me wondering how it
>would look if folded from red film...
>

>Jorma
>--
>Jorma Oksanen   tenu@sci.fi

There is a special feeling about that rose.  I can't explain it, it just
seems to be paper one minute, and a rose the next.  It seems complicated and
yet simple at the same time.
                                        Cathy





Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 21:16:48 -0400 (AST)
From: cathypl@generation.net (Cathy Palmer-Lister)
Subject: Re: Intro and Paper Question

>        One last comment ... I really enjoy David Lister's posts on origami
>history and biographies (not to slight anybody else's posts, of course).
>Please continue to enlighten us with the results of what must be a great
>deal of research and other hard work, David.
>
>        Happy folding!
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>|| Tim Heil                ||     I wouldn't have seen it     ||
>|| (teach@ezl.com)         ||     if I hadn't believed it.    ||
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>

Hi, Tim!  Glad to meet you!
        I met a couple of folders at a sci-fi convention in Chicago
(Visions).  I was folding to pass the time in lines, and two people came out
of the woodwork to talk about the book I was using--Brilliant Origami.
        I also enjoy reading David Lister's posts, and hope to see more of
them.  There are some huge gaps in my knowledge of origami history.

                                        Cathy





Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 21:17:01 -0400 (AST)
From: vicky@infoarch.com
Subject: Pacific Coast Origami Confe

Pacific Coast Origami Conference (PCOC)

Hello Fellow Folding Enthusiasts!

The first Pacific Coast Origami Conference (PCOC or
"peacock") will be held in San Francisco's Japantown on
October 11th and 12th,1997.  We are very excited at the
interest and enthusiasm generated for this event, and we
hope to see many of you here!  Mark your calendars - it's
the Columbus Day (or Indigenous People's day ;) ) weekend so
there are a lot of bay area events for the non-folding
partners that may accompany you!

We will have a planning meeting this coming Saturday,
December 7, 11:00am across the street from the Bernal
Heights Library where the monthly Bay Area Rapid Folders mtg
is (which is at 2:00).

If you are interested in attending the meeting or the
conference please contact me directly for further
instructions.  We will have a web site operational very soon
(thanks to Charles Knuffke!) which will feature all the
details, registration forms, and a great peacock fold.

Keep looking for future announcements about PCOC!

Vicky Mihara Avery
vicky@infoarch.com





Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 21:29:32 -0400 (AST)
From: cathypl@generation.net (Cathy Palmer-Lister)
Subject: Re: Rose frustrations (formerly:Santa CLaus)

>I, unfortunately, haven't progessed to that stage yet.  The twisting and
>subsequent locking doesn't make alot of sense to me yet.  I've tried at
>least on four different occasions, to no avail.  I have no idea what I'm
>doing wrong?
>Rita
>Philadelphia, PA
>
The twisting I got after I lost my patience and REALLY twisted the darn
thing.  It takes more force than you would think.  The locking is where I
got stuck, it's hard to explain--I had to see it done.  The creasing is very
important, especially those little v's.  Also, it doesn't lock so much as
just hold together underneath.  At first I just forced it into position, and
then I was able to see what was supposed to happen.  I guess this isn't
going to help you much!  Just keep telling yourself that patience is a
virtue, and heaven is full of folders!

            Cathy





Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 21:42:03 -0400 (AST)
From: cathypl@generation.net (Cathy Palmer-Lister)
Subject: re:ORIGAMI-L digest 552

>>I, unfortunately, haven't progessed to that stage yet.  The twisting and
>>subsequent locking doesn't make alot of sense to me yet.  I've tried at
>>least on four different occasions, to no avail.  I have no idea what I'm
>>doing wrong?  =
>
>>Rita
>>Philadelphia, PA
>
>Hi Rita!  I also had trouble with the twist fold the first time I did
>it.  The trick is to do it in the air (not resting on a table), and to
>pinch the diagonals all the way up to the small square in the middle.

>Gerard
>--
>G=E9rard Blais                     |      ^^         *    | gblais@nortel.c=
>

Bonjour, Gerard!

        I usually do the twisting part on the table, but I agree most of the
folding is easiest in the air.  You really have to think of the whole rose
when you're working with it, and I can't see all of it at once when it's on
a table.  It reminds me a lot of the cube in Paul Jackson's Classic Origami,
the creases have to be perfect for the folds to fall into place.

    Cathy





Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 22:38:49 -0400 (AST)
From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@pb.net>
Subject: Re: New Models

All you creative people out there, Meyer Gotz of OUSA publications
would like to encourage you to send them in for possible inclusion
in the 1997 Annual Collection.

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 22:42:18 -0400 (AST)
From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@pb.net>
Subject: Re: Request for models

Risa Miller of the OUSA office asked me to let you all know that she
would appreciate any more African Animal models that you still might
like to send. She can use them throughout the holiday season as gifts
for people in the museum.

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 00:37:12 -0400 (AST)
From: Marcia Mau <marcia.mau@pressroom.com>
Subject: San Jose, CA bookstore

Kinokuniya Bookstore is located at 675 Saratoga Ave in the Yaohan Plaza.  It
is south of Stevens Creek Blvd and I-280.  You'd need a car to get there
from the Fairmont Hotel.  If you do a search on WhoWhere and BigBook, you
can print out a map of the area.

There is also a small Japantown in San Jose with a few general merchandise
stores which carry some origami paper.  This area is closer to the hotel but
Kinokuniya had a better assortment of books and paper.
Marcia Mau
Vienna, VA USA
marcia.mau@pressroom.com





Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 02:03:41 -0400 (AST)
From: Robyn Meyer <rmeyer@netadvantage.com.au>
Subject: Rose

Hi, it's me Robyn (of butterfly ball fame) again!

I have heard so much about the Rose and I thought (when I FINALLY
worked out how 2 see postscript files! that in itself was a miracle!!!!)
that I'd like to try it but I am unbelievably stuck on the twist fold ... I have
tried everything that has been mentioned with no luck ... does
anyone else have any pearls cause I'd love to get it to work (and I
did eventually get the butterfly ball to work! tho this is much harder!)
.. thanks 4 your help (hopefully!), I would like to give my grandmother
a rose 4 christmas as she loves them, and made out of paper with
no cutting etc would be a pretty cool present :))) Thanks, Robyn





Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 03:16:47 -0400 (AST)
From: Jeff Goff <jeffgoff@synergy.net>
Subject: Re: 5 sided preliminary base (was Re: Closed Wrap)

People have mentioned problems with folding this base.

In J.C. Nolan's _Creating_Origami_ he mentions that you can take the
original sheet, cut a slit from the center of one side to the center of the
paper, and take a sheet 1/2 the dimensions of the original paper, fold it in
half diagonally, and tape it into the slot you've just cut out. At that
point you have the raw material for a five-pointed prelim base. Of course it
does involve scissors and tape, but if you really want to experiment with
this base this is a great way to go. One of the problems with complex models
folded from five-pointed and six-pointed bases is the incredible bulk that
builds up in the middle of the paper. With a pre-formed base, you don't have
to worry about such things. And once you've folded the version with the
'cheater' base you can go on and fold one with a 'real' base.

Just my $0.02

<Jeffgoff@synergy.net> - soon to move.





Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 03:18:27 -0400 (AST)
From: vicky@infoarch.com
Subject: RE> San Jose (CA) informati

RE> San Jose (CA) information request

Peter asked:
>>Anyone out there who is familiar with this town, and
>>knows some bookshops worthwhile to visit
>> (or something else which is origami related) ?

The San Francisco origami group (Bay Area Rapid Folders)
will be meeting on Saturday the 7th at the Bernal Heights
Library from 2:00pm.  We will also have a preliminary mtg at
11:00am to discuss our 1997 origami conference PCOC.  San
Francisco is about one hour drive from San Jose so if you
want to connect with folders come on by!

Vicky Mihara Avery
vicky@infoarch.com





Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 05:20:13 -0400 (AST)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Origami sighting - legitimate!

I guess some of my past "sightings" were a little iffy, as some of you have
pointed out, but this is a real one.

In the latest issue of People (yes, I read People and I don't care who knows
it), with Sarah Ferguson (Fergie) on the cover, there's an article entitled
"Gift of Hope" which concerns the tragic death of Alex Van Cleave, 5, at the
U.S. naval base in Yokosuka, Japan.

In the article there's a picture of two staff members at Alex's school
unpacking collections of origami peace cranes sent by U.S. students as a
gesture of hope and goodwill.

Alex's parents had the amazing wherewithal to donate his organs to several
Japanese patients which caused quite a stir in Japan, where organ donation
is not as common as in the U.S.  It's quite a touching article; read it if
you get the chance.

                         ''~``
                        ( o o )
+------------------.oooO--(_)--Oooo.------------------+
|                                                     |
|          "Origami: Welcome to the Fold!"            |
|                Steve Woodmansee                     |
|              Bend, Oregon U.S.A.                    |
|                                                     |
|                    .oooO                            |
|                    (   )   Oooo.                    |





Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 09:43:46 -0400 (AST)
From: mplewinska@earthlink.net (Magdalena Cano Plewinska)
Subject: Re: Closed Wrap

On Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:10:54 -0400 (AST), Rjlang@aol.com  wrote:

>It's a mistake. That's because when we wrote _Zoo_, I hadn't yet discovered
>Marc Kirschenbaum, Supreme Deity Among Origami Proofreader Demigods. (I
>_highly_ recommend his services to other origami authors!)

Ah, words from the horse's mouth... Thank you.

   - Magda Plewinska
     Miami, FL, USA
     Email: mplewinska@earthlink.net





Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 10:45:48 -0400 (AST)
From: longsand@singnet.com.sg
Subject: Re: Rose

Hello!
The Kawasaki Rose is certainly a very intricate and captivating model (from
the pictures i saw in some websites and from all the comments posted in this
list), but..... i still can not fold it! It's really quite frustrating, i've
been trying it for months.... to no avail. I got the diagrams from the
origami list and am stuck in the 24-th and following steps. Also, are all
the petals of the rose supposed to be flat? And, is the completed model
squarish or round? Please advise!
Thanks!

~john~

>Hi, it's me Robyn (of butterfly ball fame) again!
>
>I have heard so much about the Rose and I thought (when I FINALLY
>worked out how 2 see postscript files! that in itself was a miracle!!!!)
>that I'd like to try it but I am unbelievably stuck on the twist fold ... I
have
>tried everything that has been mentioned with no luck ... does
>anyone else have any pearls cause I'd love to get it to work (and I
>did eventually get the butterfly ball to work! tho this is much harder!)
>.. thanks 4 your help (hopefully!), I would like to give my grandmother
>a rose 4 christmas as she loves them, and made out of paper with
>no cutting etc would be a pretty cool present :))) Thanks, Robyn





Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 12:04:39 -0400 (AST)
From: Theresa Davis <davis@msmc.edu>
Subject: Re: Rose

Hi.  When I fold the rose I usally sharply moutain fold the center square
 and diagonals so that the model looks like an upside down vase.  Then
gripping oppsite diagonals I gently twist.  Switching diagonals untill
the model lays flat.  I hope this helps.

                                 Tree.





Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 12:37:24 -0400 (AST)
From: Jennifer Andre <JAndre@cfipro.com>
Subject: Kawasaki Rose Paper Size?

     I'm close to trying THE ROSE for the first time.  Allowing for
     "shrinkage," what size paper does anyone recommend?

     Thank you!

     - Jennifer
     JAndre@cfipro.com





Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 13:04:11 -0400 (AST)
From: Pat Slider <slider@yosemite.net>
Subject: Re: Rose

At 02:03 AM 12/4/96 -0400, Robyn wrote:
>... does
>anyone else have any pearls cause I'd love to get it to work (and I
>did eventually get the butterfly ball to work! tho this is much harder!)

Well, when I do the twist I work from the outside in on a flat surface,
folding along the diagonal crease lines. The paper inside of where I'm
folding twists itself as I proceed (normally :->). When I get near the
center of the rose, I generally just need to tweak the corners of the center
square a little.

Funny, but I think the feel of this twist fold reminds me of those tricky
squash folds where you have to slowly pull/push the bottom corners of the
opposing flaps of paper apart, and let the squash form on the crease lines.

Origami is an art of gentle persuasion, eh?

pat slider
slider@yosemite.net





Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 13:22:00 -0400 (AST)
From: John Marcolina <jmarcoli@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: San Jose (CA) information request

At 08:29 AM 12/2/96 -0400, Peter Blondel wrote:
>    Hi there,
>
>I will be in San Jose (CA) for a conference from friday afternoon (6th)
>until friday 13th. The meetings start on Sunday afternoon, so I'll have
>the whole saturday to get used to the time difference and to look around
>in San Jose.
>Anyone out there who is familiar with this town, and knows some bookshops
>worthwhile to visit (or something else which is origami related) ?
>

Several places have already been mentioned. I also like to go to University
Art on Meridian Ave. in San Jose. They have a good supply of art papers,
including unryu and Wyndstone Marble (you gotta try this stuff if you like
wet-folding). They also have a store in Palo Alto (also called University
Art), with a bigger selection, but it's a bit more of a drive. I believe the
San Jose        (408) 297-4707
Palo Alto       1-415 328-3500

For origami books, you could visit any of the Barnes and Noble stores in the
area. If you've never been to their stores, you'd be surprised at the
selection of origami books they carry.

Good Hunting!

John Marcolina
jmarcoli@cisco.com
San Jose, CA.





Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 14:33:49 -0400 (AST)
From: rita <rstevens@philly.infi.net>
Subject: equilateral triangle-[NO]

Does anyone have a simple method of cutting an equilateral triangle out of a
square, maximizing the use of the paper.  I plan to make a Star of David for
friends celebrating Chanukah and all of the models I've seen start w/ an
equilateral triangle.  I'll resort to a protractor & ruler if need be, but I
thought I'd first consult this list.

Thanks in advance.
Rita
Philadelphia, PA





Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 15:20:58 -0400 (AST)
From: J Armstrong <jcanada@clark.net>
Subject: Re: equilateral triangle-[NO]

In a book whose name I've lost, I copied a page in a chapter called
festive folding.  the Star of David begins with directions to make the
triangle:
1  fold in half left to right.
2  turn in the top layer corner to exactly touch the crease made in step
1 at such a point that the new crease will run exactly down to the
bottom corner.
3 Cut along adge AB (yes I'm in trouble here with giving you directions)
A is the point where corner meets crease, B is the bottom corner you
have just divided.
I admit the wasted paper seems great but the method is fool proof,
especially if you have the diagrams. (attempt at humour)  sorry about
that.:(  Good luck;)
Jessica
