




Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 00:11:24 -0400 (AST)
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: Nativity Scene (was Re: how I got started)

>On Sat, 2 Nov 1996, Karen Liebgott wrote:
>
>=My current endeavor is to make a nativity scene, but I haven't found
>=diagrams I like. I got Araki's "Origami for Christmas" from the library but
>=it doesn't include Joseph.
>=Any recommendations? I do have a used bookstore doing a book search for
>=Harbin's "Secrets of Origami." I've never actually seen the book though. I
>=noticed OUSA has "Presepe in Origami" (Nativity in Origami) and "Origami de
>=Chrismas." I don't know if the latter has a nativity set but I presume it
>=does, containing 40+ models! Anyone seen these books that can help me? I
>=would consider myself an intermediate folder.

The book *Origami* by Georgie Davidson, contains instuctions for a nativity
scene. The ISBN # is 0-88332-027-4, and is part of the Larouse Craft Series.
Be forewarned, the models do employ some cutting (as was well accepted in
the mid 70's when this book came out).

Marc





Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 22:05:59 -0400 (AST)
From: Martha Mitchen <afolder@avana.net>
Subject: Re: Philosophy of diagramming

On Sun, 3 Nov 1996 Joseph Wu wrote:

> I would much rather teach someone how to fold something than to sit down
and try to diagram it.

Joseph,

An observation after having taken two of your classes at the SEOF:

You used a blackboard in both classes to great effect and produced in a
very short period of time "skeletal diagrams" which quite clearly
illustrated the basic architecture of your models.  You underestimate
your diagraming skills - perfection maybe they weren't, but I now wish
that, in addition to photographing the teacher, I had photographed the
blackboard, I'm sure it would have helped me immensely in remembering
how to make the models again.

Martha Mitchen





Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 22:01:41 -0400 (AST)
From: Gordon Crane <gordonc@mnsinc.com>
Subject: Re: Aid to paper rippers

Kim Best wrote:
>
> I can sympathize will all the wailing  over the finger numbing, paper
> shredding, seam splitting, closed sinks, closed unsinks and unwraps some
> sadistic paperfolders are imposing on us.
>
> But I have found some paper that offers me an amount of relief for the
> more complex models.  It's called Ryomen Zome Monocolored, and it's
> available from "Fascinating Folds".  It is extremely thin but very strong.
> It has the feel of very strong tissue paper.  And I have been able to fold
> some of the most complex models, with great results.  For example, when I
> finally succeeded in folding Lang's new Praying Mantis with kami paper,
> there was a white seam down the back of his neck, where the paper was
> fraying.  But when I folded it with Ryomen Zome, the neck was perfect,
> without even a suggestion of fraying.  I was able to fold a fantastic
> Circada, even the mouth and mandibles came out looking good.
>
> It's not for all models though.  Because it is extremely thin, the legs
> on some models give way and your animal may end up spread eagle on your
> table top.  Also it is the same color on both sides so your "Inside-Out"
> origami won't come out right.  But you might want to try it for some of
> those complex models you find impossible to do.
>
> Despite the ad like tone of the above, I have no connection with
> "Fascinating Folds", I just love this stuff!!
>
> Kim Best                            *******************************
>                                     *          Origamist:         *
> Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
> 420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
> Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************

Kim's Crane also has this paper in stock.  The paper is available in 6
inch and 9.75 inches.  The price for the 6 inch packet of 48 sheets is
$4.75.  The price for the 9.75 inch packet of 24 sheets is $7.25.

Kimberly Crane





Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 22:26:00 -0400 (AST)
From: James_Sakoda@brown.edu (James M. Sakoda)
Subject: Re: Shared and Artistic Origami

>Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 02:10:09 -0500
>To: origami-l@nstn.ca
>From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
>Subject: Re: Shared and Artistic Origami
>
>Tom, in your responce to Joseph, you never clearly stated what your feeling
>are on strict geometric works. I would be curuous to here how other
>practitioners of geometric models regard their work.
>
>Marc

        Much of my work has a geometric cast to them, and some like my
Hikari-Ori, is strictly geometric in nature.  I gave a paper on it at the
Otsu meeting in Japan.  An important ingredient of artistic work is
creativity.  Even though the objects as geometric forms are well known,
they can still be put together in new and interesting ways.  I noted in my
notes in 1978 that origami is basically an art of straight lines, since
folding invariably resulsts in a straight line.  One aspect of Cubism has
been to reduce realistic figures to geometric forms, with a leaning toward
cubes.  Spaces betwen objects are filled in with geometric forms also, and
the figures are compressed on a flat plane.  At that time I noted that my
own folding of figures had emphsized a geometric quality, which represented
my style of folding.  However, I mainteined a three dimensional quality to
my work and I wondered what would happen if I flattened my folded models.
I took my eight-point star, featured in my book, Modern Origami,  and
unflolded it completely into a flat sheet.  The unfolded paper revealed a
low relief geometric pattern, with a prominent four point star in the
center, surrounded by other stars, squares, triangles, diamond shapes.  At
that time I had been folding with foil wrapping paper, and I noticed that
some of the forms were highlighted by the light and others darkend ed by
shadows.
        This was the beginning of my work on what I called Hikari-Ori,
which featured repeated geometric patterns in low relief.  An important
effect was the changing of the highlighting when a viewer changed his
viewing position or when the lighting was changed.  This was my basis for
calling the art form Hikari-Ori (shining light folding).  I experimented
with different patterns.  One of the rules that I observed was to make each
indiviual pattern fold flat, sometimes with a twist, in order to insure
sharp creases which emphasized the contrast in lighted and shaded areas.
The repeated folded patterns were opened up and partially flattened out to
achieve the state of low relief.  I learned to mount my creations, frame
them as one would a picture, and exhibited and sold a few of them.
        Many of the basic forms are familiar triangles and cubes, and they
can be diagramed and shared with others.  The idea for it came from
contemplating the nature of Picasso's cubism, but the use of reflected
folded material to bring out the reflective effects is my own, I believe.
Any style of folding can lead to creations which many will agree is
original and attractive and deserves to be call artistic.  James M. Sakoda.





Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1996
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: Shared and Artistic Origami

On Mon, 4 Nov 1996, Marc Kirschenbaum wrote:

=At 12:35 AM 11/1/96 -0400, hull@MATH.URI.EDU wrote:
=>	Excuse me, Joseph, but I was there, remember?  No, the specific
=>topic of modulars didn't come up, and I didn't bring it up because
=>I knew what Jackson would have said: "That's not art."  However,
=>the topic of geometric origami did come up, and modular stuff
=>can be said to fit into that.  But my impression as to what LaFosse and
=>Jackson were saying was that such work is interesting, but easily
=>reproducible and thus fits into the "paint by numbers" realm of "art".
=>For example, I remember that one of Joseph's models was on the table
=>in front of us - a section of his in-progress dragon, which was
=>a great dragon head with a wildly scaled neck (done with a clever
=>tessellation fold).  At severl points in the conversation I remember
=>Paul Jackson picking up the model and commenting that it, for example,
=>was a wonderful model, but was more of an excercise, not a finished
=>work of art, etc. etc.  

Sorry, Tom. I'd forgotten about that particular discussion. There were
several discussions on the topic (indeed, it was a running theme), so I
tend to just lump them all together.

Some points: Paul's recent works are rather geometric, so I doubt that
he'd refer to them as being "unartistic". As for the dragon being a
work-in-progress, that was my comment! I'm still not satisfied with it,
and I have yet to make an entire dragon (it's just head and neck, so far).
Paul probably just picked up on that, and used it as an example.

=When a model displays an advanced display of craftsmanship (as Joseph Wu's
=model apparently displayed), I do not see that as any reason to discount the
=model's artistry. I have seen Joseph's other work, and it is crear he can be
=quite expresive with paper as the medium. To achive that expressiveness, he
=just had to resort to a repeating pattern of tessalations.

Yes, I'd agree that the craftsmanship was there in the piece that Paul was
looking at. But it was not "right" yet (it may never be!). And, as I've
mentioned already, I don't think Paul was saying that it was not a
finished just because it used tessellations. Incidentally, anyone wanting
to see some photos of the dragon in question should go to my Origami Page
and look under Photo Galleries for the Mythical Beasts gallery. The URL is
at the end of this message.

=Getting to geometric origami, I do have a lot of mixed feeling about how
=valid the whole genre is as an art form. As a craft, I have felt modular
=origami is quite beutiful. However, in many cases, the creators of modular
=origami are not really creating; they are executing a pre-existing
=mathematical concept to be realized in paper. There is some element of
=artistry (choice of paper and colours), but when we are dealing with a
=textbook realization of a stellated n-gon, I feel that is a case of pure
=crafstmanship. When pieces go beyond strict mathematical contraints, that is
=when I would say artistry is displayed.

Gotta disagree with you on that last sentence, Marc! There is art in
pure mathematics! I would also argue that there is creativity (I'll let
the reader decide if that should include "artistry") in coming up with a
new way of constructing "a textbook realization of a stellated n-gon". Of
course, simply following instructions to do one would not be creative.
But the choice of paper and colours (and scale!) can make a bigger
difference when dealing with modulars than with a model that is
recognizably something (like an animal). The opportunity is there to do a
more abstract type of work, like a Mondrian, for example.

=Tom, in your responce to Joseph, you never clearly stated what your feeling
=are on strict geometric works. I would be curuous to here how other
=practitioners of geometric models regard their work.

It's funny...I never received Tom's response...that's why I'm replying to
this message.

=>	You know, it all really comes down to your own personal
=>definition of what art is..  I strongly believe that "art" depends on
=>how you look at things.  A chocolate chip cookie can be thought of as
=>a "work of art", provided that you think of it in the right way.
=>But a lot of people (artists, especially) don't like this definition
=>because it implies that literally everything is art.  I agree!
=>But Paul Jackson (at least how I understand him) won't stand for this
=>because otherwise how would he define himself as an artist?  He needs
=>to be very clear at to what is art and what isn't, if only to be
=>able to define his profession.  (He told us how he had to do a LOT
=>of arguing just to convince his artist colleagues that origami really
=>is a "valid" artform, so of course he's going to have very strong
=>opinions about what art is!)

But everything *is* art, potentially. I know what Paul's struggles are,
though. It is very hard to be taken seriously in a group of artists if you
say that your medium is origami. (There's that story of the guy who though
I said, "I want to raise the awareness of orgasm as an artform", but then
I've told that one before!)

=I would think most bakers like to think their chocolate chip cookies are
=works of art. I also think all objects have the potential of being art. I
=have heard stories of people hearing clanking noises, and mistaking it to be
=a brilliant percussion performance. I am not exactly suggesting one's faulty
=radiator is a brillaint artist in disguise. Rather, I am giving a different
=angle on what art is. With this example, the artist is really the observer,
=as he is the one who is capable if hearing the art. Art is really a two way
=communication between the creator and the observer. Granted, it is a very
=inacurate means of communication (not too many people seem to interpret
=pieces the same way), but at least for some of the better work out there,
=they are universaly enjoyed.

I can live with this. 8)

=To connect this to origami, I have found it interesting on how many people
=create through doodling (in the recent Paul Jackson interview in Origami
=USA's *The Paper,* Paul has revealed doodling as a creative technique).
=Through doodling, one is acting as an artist through observation. It is
=interesting to note that even though something as seemingly serendipitious
=as doodling, there is often a consistency of syle when a particular arist
=does it (further evidence there is an artist in the house).

Hear, hear!

          Joseph Wu           Faith: When you have come to the end of all the
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   light that you know and need to step into the
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  darkness of the unknown, Faith is knowing that
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami one of two things will happen: either there will
 Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.   be something solid to stand on or you will be
    http://www.datt.co.jp     taught how to fly.                --Anonymous





Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 01:41:38 -0400 (AST)
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: The birthday tradition continues...

I would like to extend happy birhtday wishes to the inimitable Tom Hull
(11/5/96). For those of you on the list who do not know Tom (which would
probably be newcomers to origami-l, and starnge people who have the list in
their killfile), her is the one who has managed to illuminate the
origami/math connection with his many insightful postings. As an aside, is
this some sort of a proof that math is fun (by association to origami)? To
expose another facet of Tom, I would like to reveal to the list his DJing
prowess. Tom has very ecclectic musical tastes (that is the P.C. way of
saying that, right?), and has managed to expose them to his listeners on his
radio show (sometimes in one song, via his bleeding edge tape mixing). All
of this pales in comparison to his biggest accomplishment; he has managed to
amass more nicknames than anyone else! If you want to extend a more personal
birthday wish to this helluva guy, Tom can be reached at:

          hull@math.uri.edu

Marc *no-nickname-yet* K.





Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: The birthday tradition continues...

On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Marc Kirschenbaum wrote:

=I would like to extend happy birhtday wishes to the inimitable Tom Hull
=(11/5/96). For those of you on the list who do not know Tom
<introduction to Tom deleted>

Happy Birthday, Tom!

=Marc *no-nickname-yet* K.

And, so he doesn't feel left out, Happy Birthday, Marc!

I hereby dub thee, "Fluffy", after your adorable model. >8)

          Joseph Wu           Faith: When you have come to the end of all the
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   light that you know and need to step into the
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  darkness of the unknown, Faith is knowing that
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami one of two things will happen: either there will
 Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.   be something solid to stand on or you will be
    http://www.datt.co.jp     taught how to fly.                --Anonymous





Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 17:44:28 -0400 (AST)
From: "Brett Askinazi" <askinazi@i1.net>
Subject: Re: Use of aluminum foil: peacock [and crane]

> Take a look of Jun Maekawa's peacock in VIVA! ORIGAMI by Hunihiko
Kasahara
> if you are looking for a fancy peacock from a 2x1 rectangle. The fancy
> opening feather can be adapted to your favorite style if you do know the
> fancy-schmancy pleating technique. If you are sort of SQUARE person. John
> Montroll do have his peacocks diagrammed in Origami for the Enthusiast
and
> Origami Sculptures.

There is also a Maekawa Peacock "PATTERN" from a square in Origami Omnibus.
 By pattern I mean, there is a crease pattern represented only.  No formal
diagrams are given for the folding method.

It is a good challenge to finish the model from crease patterns.  When you
finish not only do you get a very nice finished model, but also a nice
feeling of accomplishment.

I recommend the model highly

Brett
askinazi@i1.net





Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 18:32:17 -0400 (AST)
From: cathypl@generation.net (Cathy Palmer-Lister)
Subject: Re: Philosophy of Diagramming and the Art of Origami. (long)

>Steven Casey
>Melbourne, Australia
>scasey@enternet.com.au
>
>
>ps: humble apologies to the list about the length of this posting.

No need to apologise;  I, for one,  found it very interesting.

                                                                        Cathy





Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 18:39:56 -0400 (AST)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Omega "star" variations...

In an earlier message I wrote about turning Michael Naughton's Omega star
4-edge vertex units into three edge units.  A few minutes ago it occurred to
me that with a three edged unit you could construct a vertex with as many
edges as you'd want:  Replace each vertex "point" with a ring of 3 and/or 4
edged vertices joined so that all the 'unused' flaps/pockets are pointing
outwards.  The problem (potentially) is that the vertex is no longer a point
(or close to it).  I don't know what this would do to the three dimensional
constraints on edge lengths and angles, though one could fold in two
opposite flaps (or pockets) and get a two flap "extension edge unit" but I
don't know what that would do to the constraints either.

I notice that the 30 unit Naughton Omega star effectively has rings of three
(or five, depending on how you want to look at it) unit vertices.

An icosahedron is 20 equilatoral triangles (three sides) with five way
vertices.  Each triangle has three vertices, making 60.  But, since each
vertex is shared with five other units, there are actually only twelve.
Using the ring system, one would need two four-edge-units and one three-
edge-unit to make a compound five-edge vertex.  Twelve vertices times three
units each is a 36 unit (sloppy) icosahedron.  For more symmetry in the
final model, it would take five three-edge-units to make one vertex, times
12 vertices or 60 units.  At this point it is either a three unit vertex
making a dodecahedron, or a five unit vertex making an icosahedron.

My apologies in advance if I have repeated stuff from any existing books.
I don't recall having read about multi-unit vertices, but its been a while.

-Doug
[Message submitted at 1740 prevailing eastern time]





Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 22:19:58 -0400 (AST)
From: "JPP" <AB10TP3412.cin@desnews.com>
Subject: ORIGAMI sightings!

      Well, this may be a more common one than the others, but yesterday as I
was putting together my family's newsletter, I was looking through the book of
clipart that Corel included with Corel WordPerfect Suite 6.1 for Windows 3.x or
above.  In the Asia directory on the CD-ROM with all the clipart, there is a
file called ORIZURU.WPG that is a picture of a origami crane in purple paper.
It is a quite nice 3-Dimensional drawing.
     Have a nice day!
John Pruess
utahjohn@aol.com
ab10tp3412.cin@desnews.com
http://users.aol.com/utahjohn/UtahJohn.html
http://users.aol.com/nhealths/nhs.html





Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 02:02:40 -0400 (AST)
From: "Vincent & Veronique" <osele@worldnet.fr>
Subject: Telethon 1996

(english version after)

Bonjour,

Comme tout les ans, le groupe de pliage de Toulouse participe au
Telethon.
Nous plions 1000 grues, et nous montons avec ces grues une "oeuvre
d'art", qui sera vendue au profit des enfants atteinds de maladies
genetiques.
Si vous voullez en savoir plus, vous pouvez aller sur:

http://www.worldnet.fr/~osele/telethon.htm

Every year, we (Toulouse group) participate to the Telethon.
We fold 1000 cranes, which are connected to an "artistic thing". It
will be sell, and we give the donation to the ill childrens (genetic
desease).
If you want to have more informations, go to:

http://www.worldnet.fr/~osele/telethon.htm

PS: It's in french but there is some picture of last year (and next
of all participations). If you want more informations in En, let's
mail to me.

Vincent

 _______                                                     _____
|       | Osele Vincent (Toulouse/France) Membre du MFPP    /|    |
|       | osele@worldnet.fr                                /_|    |
|       | http://www.worldnet.fr/~osele/origami.htm       |       |
|_______| -----------------> ORIGAMI -------------------> |_______|





Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 02:10:34 -0400 (AST)
From: "Priya (Kanaka priya Kalyanasundaram)" <priya@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Thanksgiving Theme

Hello,
I am looking for some models on any Thanksgiving theme. They will form/be
part of the centrepiece on the table at T. Dinner. My origami skills are
around the intermediate level. Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Priya
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
               Whatever you can do or dream, begin it.
               Boldness has genius, power and magic to it
               GOETHE





Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 09:36:14 -0400 (AST)
From: casida@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Theme

Regarding :

>
> Hello,
> I am looking for some models on any Thanksgiving theme. They will form/be
> part of the centrepiece on the table at T. Dinner. My origami skills are
> around the intermediate level. Any suggestions?
> Thanks,
> Priya

If you cannot find a more realistic origami turkey, you may find that an
origami peacock can be passed off as a turkey during the Thanksgiving
holiday (at least I did.)

                                         ciao,
                                          ... Mark

>
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>            Whatever you can do or dream, begin it.
>            Boldness has genius, power and magic to it
>            GOETHE
>
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

P.S. Nice quote.  Another Goethe quote I like is :

     "Es ist nicht gennug zu wissen.  Man muss auch tunn."
     "It is not enough to know.  One must also do."

May I add that "origami is a participatory and not just a spectator sport"?
At least, it adds to the appreciation, eh?

--
*-------------------------------------------------------*
|          Mark E. Casida                               |
|          e-mail: casida@chimcn.umontreal.ca           |





Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 09:50:35 -0400 (AST)
From: Mark Morden <marmonk@eskimo.com>
Subject: November meeting for Seattle's PAPER

For those in the Seattle area, the November PAPER meeting will be Sunday,
November 24, from 1-3 p.m., at the University Heights Community Center (5031
University Way NE), Room 103. This room is at the south end of the first
floor.  I am going to teach a Tomoko Fuse triangular box with a non
traditional crane folded into the top.  I was also going to show how to
layout squares for cutting from a larger piece of paper.

I hope you can make it.  Please bring your latest folds to share or photos
or books or anything else origami. Also, a couple of bucks to help pay for
the room rental would be appreciated.  If you have any questions or need
directions to the community center, please email me at the address below.

See you in a few weeks!

Mark

Mark Morden == marmonk@mail.eskimo.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~marmonk/
--------------------------------------------------------
I believe in Christianity as I believe that the Sun
has risen; not only because I see it, but because by it
I see everything else.
                       C.S. Lewis, "The Weight of Glory"





Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 10:11:00 -0400 (AST)
From: reeds@openix.com (Reeds Family)
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Turkeys

>
>If you cannot find a more realistic origami turkey, you may find that an
>origami peacock can be passed off as a turkey during the Thanksgiving
>holiday (at least I did.)
>
>                                         ciao,

>*-------------------------------------------------------*
>|          Mark E. Casida                               |
>|          e-mail: casida@chimcn.umontreal.ca           |
>*-------------------------------------------------------*

I've also made turkeys out of peacocks by folding them out of brown paper
bag paper,  shortening the legs, flattening the pleats of the tail.
Karen
reeds@openix.com





Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 11:15:49 -0400 (AST)
From: Contractors Exchange <contract@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Theme

At 02:10 AM 11/6/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello,
>I am looking for some models on any Thanksgiving theme.
Via Alex Bateman's link to V'Ann's database:

 turkey                           Creator: Fredric G. Rohm
                 Best of Origami, p. 78  By: Randlett, (ed)
                 Begin w/ a sq  folding into bird/frog base.
                 level: I  #/steps: 12  Folds: s/sq,rev,swivel,

              turkey                           Creator: George Rhoads
                 Secrets of Origami, p. 244  By: Harbin
                 Begin w/ a 1:2  folding into bird base.
                 level: I  #/steps: 8  Folds: sin

              turkey                           Creator: Isao Honda
                 World Of Origami, p. 96  By: Honda
                 Begin w/ a sq  folding into bird base.
                 level: L  #/steps: 14
                 This model requires cut

              turkey                           Creator: Traditional
                 Origami Magic, p. 32  By: Temko
                 Begin w/ a sq  folding into kite base.
                 level: S  #/steps: 9
                 A modular form needing 2non-uniform unites.
                 Glue is hel

              turkey                           Creator: Robert Harbin
                 Paper Magic, p. 56  By: Harbin
                 Begin w/ a sq  folding into bird base.
                 level: L  #/steps: 11  Folds: sp/sq,rev





Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 18:32:26 -0400 (AST)
From: maulm001@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de (Mathias Maul)
Subject: Origami Deutschland is in the .net

Hi there,

as some of you might already know, Origami Deutschland has finally made
it into the .net. The pages are still *very* incomplete, there is still
much to be written, but they are stable enough to be considered a
reasonably good, shall we say, early beta.

So please have a look at them and mail any comments to me. The pages'
URL is

        <http://www.uni-mainz.de/~maulm001/od>

foo!,
Matt.

--
Student of linguistics, English philology, computer science, comparative
ambiguity and a bit of Japanese at Mainz, Germany. Keywords: Origami,
INFOCOM, Stuttering, Lewis Carroll, Douglas Adams, James Joyce, Peter
Greenaway, Paul Simon, Atari, Apple, Star Trek, Monty Python.





Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 18:32:40 -0400 (AST)
From: hull@MATH.URI.EDU
Subject: Re: The birthday tradition continues...

Attention everybody, it's time for us to sing...

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO MARC,
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO MARC,
HAPPY BIRTHDAY MARC KIRSCHENBAUM,
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO MARC!

        Yes, today is Marc's B-day, and since he continues to call attention
to my passing of years, I must return the favor.  Feel free to congradulate
Marc, the unstoppable paperfolder, the mad guitarist, the corporate head-
hunter, the tower of power by emailing him at: marckrsh@pipeline.com

        So Marc, if I show up at the next OUSA board meeting, will we
get two B-day cakes???

--------- Tom "pull out the stopper" Hull





Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 18:32:57 -0400 (AST)
From: cathypl@generation.net (Cathy Palmer-Lister)
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Theme

>Hello,
>I am looking for some models on any Thanksgiving theme. They will form/be
>part of the centrepiece on the table at T. Dinner. My origami skills are
>around the intermediate level. Any suggestions?
>Thanks,
>Priya
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>             Whatever you can do or dream, begin it.
>             Boldness has genius, power and magic to it
>             GOETHE
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>

Hmmmm....I saw some neat pine cones, I think they were in Kasahara's Origami
for the Connoisseur.  I haven't tried them, but they look intriguing.  I did
see a turkey somewhere, but it looked rather like a peacock to me, so I
wouldn't recommend it.  If you do hear of a good turkey, I should like to
hear of it, too.  I have always thought it would be fun to do a cornucopia.

                    Cathy





Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 18:30:50 -0400 (AST)
From: RA Kennedy <kennedra@isdugp.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Origami-l has stopped sending me mail

Hi all

I think someone mailed a few weeks ago that he was still subscribed,
but that origami-l had stopped sending him any mail. I think the
same has happened to me. Mail stopped on Friday. I am still on the
list of subscribers (generated by review origami-l). I have tried to
re-subscribe, but my request was refused, because I'm already
subscribed. I've sent an email to the list manager, but I've had no
reply. Is there a way to recover? Please reply by private email to:

R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk

as I can't see mailings to origami-l.

With thanks,

Richard Kennedy
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)
Birmingham, England.





Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 19:45:42 -0400 (AST)
From: Gordon Crane <gordonc@mnsinc.com>
Subject: Re: Aid to paper rippers

Kim Best wrote:
>
> I can sympathize will all the wailing  over the finger numbing, paper
> shredding, seam splitting, closed sinks, closed unsinks and unwraps some
> sadistic paperfolders are imposing on us.
>
> But I have found some paper that offers me an amount of relief for the
> more complex models.  It's called Ryomen Zome Monocolored, and it's
> available from "Fascinating Folds".  It is extremely thin but very strong.
> It has the feel of very strong tissue paper.  And I have been able to fold
> some of the most complex models, with great results.  For example, when I
> finally succeeded in folding Lang's new Praying Mantis with kami paper,
> there was a white seam down the back of his neck, where the paper was
> fraying.  But when I folded it with Ryomen Zome, the neck was perfect,
> without even a suggestion of fraying.  I was able to fold a fantastic
> Circada, even the mouth and mandibles came out looking good.
>
> It's not for all models though.  Because it is extremely thin, the legs
> on some models give way and your animal may end up spread eagle on your
> table top.  Also it is the same color on both sides so your "Inside-Out"
> origami won't come out right.  But you might want to try it for some of
> those complex models you find impossible to do.
>
> Despite the ad like tone of the above, I have no connection with
> "Fascinating Folds", I just love this stuff!!
>
> Kim Best                            *******************************
>                                     *          Origamist:         *
> Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
> 420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
> Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************

The Ryomen Zome Duo side monochrome paper is also carried by Kim's
Crane.  The paper is available in two sizes; 6" package of 48 sheets for
$4.75 and 9.75" package of 24 sheets for $7.25.

Kimberly and Gordon
gordonc@mnsinc.com





Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 19:23:55 -0400 (AST)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Theme

Cathy wrote:

+Hmmmm....I saw some neat pine cones, I think they were in Kasahara's Origami
+for the Connoisseur.  I haven't tried them, but they look intriguing.  I did
+see a turkey somewhere, but it looked rather like a peacock to me, so I
+wouldn't recommend it.  If you do hear of a good turkey, I should like to
+hear of it, too.  I have always thought it would be fun to do a cornucopia.

There is a Cornucopia in Mark Turner's _Garden_Folds_, recently reprinted by
OUSA.  I haven't folded it yet so I can't personally comment on it.

-Doug





Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 23:27:28 -0400 (AST)
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: Aid to paper rippers

At 07:45 PM 11/6/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Kim Best wrote:
>>
>> I can sympathize will all the wailing  over the finger numbing, paper
>> shredding, seam splitting, closed sinks, closed unsinks and unwraps some
>> sadistic paperfolders are imposing on us.

The strongest *paper* I know of are of the foil-backed hybrid. Composite
mediums of any sort seem to produce the stongest material, but foil backing
has some wonderful (and not so wonderful) foldingf properties. There is a
lot of room for experimentation in this area, but the formula I use is two
layers of soft Unryu, with a layer of foil inbetween. The bonding is done
via spray glue. By using more layers of foil, and thicker paper stock, the
durability and look of wet folding can be achived (I just recently fooled my
toughest critic into thinking I had gone the wet-folding route). Again, if
strength is a main criterium, foil-backed hybrids are the way to go.

Marc





Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 01:09:58 -0400 (AST)
From: Pat Slider <slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Aid to paper rippers

>The Ryomen Zome Duo side monochrome paper is also carried by Kim's
>Crane.  The paper is available in two sizes; 6" package of 48 sheets for
>$4.75 and 9.75" package of 24 sheets for $7.25.

And I bought a pack of 6" Ryomen paper earlier this year from OUSA. I
believe the Source lists it simply as "monocolor" paper in their catalog. I
assume they carry the larger size as well. But I bought my larger monocolor
from fascinating folds, so I'm not sure.

I do like the stuff when I need paper that's thin and strong, but splayed
legs really are a problem. It's nice for the first try at a complex model
though. This paper, and any other monocolor of course, is nice for avoiding
those nasty skunk lines too. (I have a low tolerance for those little white
lines on the back of models! I'm slowly giving up the kami and using one
kind of monocolor paper or another for animal models.)

pat slider
slider@yosemite.net





Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 11:23:27 -0400 (AST)
From: Kristine Tomlinson <ktomlinson@platinum.com>
Subject: Who to contact for selling through The Source?

Hi,

I just spoke with someone who is interested in selling their origami video.
I mentioned Origami USA and The Source run by Phyllis Meth (sp?).  Do
any of you connected with OUSA, know who they should contact to see
if their video is appropriate? Is it someone at the main office in New York
City, or is it Phyllis?

Please respond directly to my e-mail -- I'm a week-plus behind in reading
my digests :-).

Thanks in advance,

Kristine Tomlinson
ktomlinson@platinum.com
Waltham, MA, USA





Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 12:03:49 -0400 (AST)
From: DORIGAMI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Origami Deutschland is in the .net

"There is a computer virus that is being sent
across the internet.  If you receive an e-mail with
a subject line of "Irina", DO NOT read the message.
Delete it immediately.  Some miscreant is sending
people files under the name of "Irinia".  If you
receive this file or e-mail, do not download it.
It has a virus that rewrites your hard drive,
obliterating anything on it. Please be careful and
forward this e-mail to anyone you care about."

This information was received from Professor Edward
Prideaux, College of Salvonic Studies, London.

This virus appears to be much more aggressive than
the irritating Microsoft word virus.  Be alert.

This is a message I received from the needle work group I correspond with.
 Am just sharing it with all of you.  Dorigami





Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 12:55:58 -0400 (AST)
From: LarryFinch@aol.com
Subject: Re: Origami Deutschland is in the .net

In a message dated 96-11-07 11:49:11 EST, you write:

> "There is a computer virus that is being sent
>  across the internet.  If you receive an e-mail with
>  a subject line of "Irina", DO NOT read the message.
>  Delete it immediately.  Some miscreant is sending
>  people files under the name of "Irinia".  If you
>  receive this file or e-mail, do not download it.
>  It has a virus that rewrites your hard drive,
>  obliterating anything on it. Please be careful and
>  forward this e-mail to anyone you care about."
>
>  This information was received from Professor Edward
>  Prideaux, College of Salvonic Studies, London.
>
>  This virus appears to be much more aggressive than
>  the irritating Microsoft word virus.  Be alert.
>
>  This is a message I received from the needle work group I correspond with.
>   Am just sharing it with all of you.  Dorigami
>

The Irinia Virus is a HOAX. "Professor Edward Prideaux" is a character in a
new novel named _Irinia_. This HOAX was started by the publisher as a
promotional gimmick.

It's in extremely poor taste.

Larry Finch
larry@jyacc.com
LarryFinch@aol.com
"Do not attribute to malevolence what may be explained by incompetence."





Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 12:52:07 -0400 (AST)
From: Joshua Kronengold <mneme@dorsai.dorsai.org>
Subject: Re: Origami Deutschland is in the .net

My god, GoodTimes has mutated again.  Read on.
(FYI, Goodtimes a a hoax.  Irina is a variant of goodtimes, and
therefore a hoax.  There are some occasional Trojans (not virii) which
can hit your system by being undecoded by, say, the netscape
mailreader.  However, mo trojan will hit your system just by reading a
message.  Other problems with this message:
     No expiration date (around, and arround, and around goes the warning...)
--------------------------
        This is being sent out in order to attempt to curb yet another
chain letter; it is being sent to you because you sent one to me, or
because you were on the recipient list of one I recieved, and
therefore might be tempted to send the thing on.
        There are many chains get sent out, and many of them are ones
which should obviously not be sent on (they tend to be the ones which
don't go that far, or of the MMF type).  However, there occasionally
is one which really does deserve to be forwarded to every single
person on the net (the chain I just wasn't one of these).
Unfortuantely, there are also a large number which fall between these
types, and it is difficult for the inexperienced to determine the
second type from the third, so here are some helpful hints on same:

A good chain letter will:
        Have a time-critical message that needs to go out to most
of the internet, like, say, a call for help against Mattel Math-Hating
Barbie, or for petitions against the CDA.
        Have an expiration date which says when it is no longer
relevant.  Otherwise, an otherwise "for a good cause" chain will go
around, and around, and around...  -- the Craig Shergold letter has
been making the rounds of the net for the last 10-15 years...
        Have a non-wasteful method of getting feedback.  This may
include mailing the initial sender, or phoneing or http'ing to an
apropriate counter.

A good chain letter will not:
        Ask for replies so they can count it for a study (their mail
server will die, or it will be a prank and the target's mail server
will die), or ask for postcards for someone's birthday or even a dying
kid.
        Be good intentioned but neither time-critical nor have an
expiration date (though either missing is grounds not to forward it).
        Ask you to leave the headers intact, or add your name to the
end, or any such things - this will cause massive net bloat as the
last one million senders each send a 10 messages out which are over a
megabyte (that's 10 trillion bytes, people.  And if everyone is doing
what the message says, that's about how much mail the original sender
will get, rather than the 1k per person (closer to a megabyte) they'd
get if each person just sent them a much shorter message.  Not to
meantion the much higher traffic that's generated across the net at
large...
        Be about a cookie recipie, an email virus (the email is the
virus, now get over it), or any such "cute" thing.

--
mneme@dorsai.org        Josh Kronengold                     |\      _,,,--,,_
     ,)
  ^  "No matter how subtle the sorceror, a knife between/,`.-'`'   -,  ;-;;'
 /\\ the shoulder blades will seriously                |,4-  ) )-,_ ) /\
/-\\\cramp his style."           -- Taltos     '---''(_/--' (_/-'





Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 19:43:05 -0400 (AST)
From: Gordon Crane <gordonc@mnsinc.com>
Subject: Kim's Crane Web Page

The web pages of Kim's Crane have been redone.  The changes were made as
the result of suggestions made to us.  As we are still trying to learn
about web publishing, your comments are appreciated.

As a supplier of Origami papers and books we now accept VISA and
MasterCard.  Some prices have been lowered and a few items were dropped
(no longer available from our sources).

Kim's Crane home page is http://www.mnsinc.com/gordonc





Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 22:40:13 -0400 (AST)
From: James_Sakoda@brown.edu (James M. Sakoda)
Subject: Modern Origami Reprint

        I have been negotiationg with Dover Publications to have them
reprint Modern Origami.  They have consented to reprint it, and it should
be on the market one of these days.  I have been discussing issues in the
past using Modern Origami as a source.  For example, I mentioned the way I
had started making discovery by first folding the eight point star by
sinking the center point.  This created many criss-crossing lines, which
provided the basis for unfolding the eight point star and finding the
outline of objects I could fold.  Also, by sticking to the established
lines and avoiding unnecessary bends, it was possible to create a geometric
style with cleancut lines, which led to attractive figures.  More recently
in the discussion of origami as an art form have stated  that it is not the
style of folding, Yoshizawa' sculpturing approach, Lang's realistic
details, or a more geometric one emphasizing straight lines or geometric
forms which determines that a creation is artistic or not.

        For those who do not have a copy of Modern Origami will have an
opportunity to get one and better follow the arguments that I make.  I will
certainly let you all know when it becomes available.  James M. Sakoda.





Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 23:33:16 -0400 (AST)
From: David Work <davwork@sosinc.net>
Subject: Re: Origami-l has stopped sending me mail

Hi,

I had the same problem last month.  What I did was to unsubscribe, then
re-subscribe. After I did this I got back on.

David Work
davwork@sosinc.net
Sterling, CO - USA

At 06:30 PM 11/6/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi all
>
>I think someone mailed a few weeks ago that he was still subscribed,
>but that origami-l had stopped sending him any mail. I think the
>same has happened to me. Mail stopped on Friday. I am still on the
>list of subscribers (generated by review origami-l). I have tried to
>re-subscribe, but my request was refused, because I'm already
>subscribed. I've sent an email to the list manager, but I've had no
>reply. Is there a way to recover? Please reply by private email to:
>
>R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk
>
>as I can't see mailings to origami-l.
>
>With thanks,
>
>Richard Kennedy
>(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)
>Birmingham, England.





Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 05:36:47 -0400 (AST)
From: Holmes David EXC IS CH <holmes@chbs.ciba.com>
Subject: RE: Moon Lander Model

Hi all,

On Friday, November 08, 1996, Kim Best said:

> I have uploaded to the .incoming directory at the ftp site some diagrams
> for a three dimensional moon lander.

Damn, you beat me to it 8)  Great minds, etc. etc.  I'll carry on with
my model though, which is only a simple one anyway.

Dave

----
David M Holmes <holmes@chbs.ciba.com>
Internet/Intranet Infrastructure, Ciba-Geigy
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/2162
Perl Programmer && Paper Folder





Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 09:38:40 -0400 (AST)
From: cathypl@generation.net (Cathy Palmer-Lister)
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Theme

>
>There is a Cornucopia in Mark Turner's _Garden_Folds_, recently reprinted by
>OUSA.  I haven't folded it yet so I can't personally comment on it.
>
>-Doug

Thanks, Doug, do you know if it comes with diagrams for the veggies?  I
can't even imagine how an ear of corn would be folded.  I suooose that
apples and such-like could be done with the balloon design.

            Cathy





Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 10:16:59 -0400 (AST)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Theme

Cathy Palmer-Lister wrote:
+>There is a Cornucopia in Mark Turner's _Garden_Folds_, recently reprinted by
+>OUSA.  I haven't folded it yet so I can't personally comment on it.
+>-Doug

+Thanks, Doug, do you know if it comes with diagrams for the veggies?  I
+can't even imagine how an ear of corn would be folded.  I suooose that
+apples and such-like could be done with the balloon design.

As I recall it is from one sheet and includes "veggies" "spilling" out the
front, though really they are just stacked/piled there.  I'll try to remember
to look up the book over the weekend and post more details, assuming no one
else beats me to it!

    -Doug
[Submitted at 0910 local time]





Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 11:36:06 -0400 (AST)
From: Pam and/or Namir <pgraben@umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Aid to paper rippers

Marc Kirschenbaum said...

>At 07:45 PM 11/6/96 -0400, you wrote:
>>Kim Best wrote:
>>>
>>> I can sympathize will all the wailing  over the finger numbing, paper
>>> shredding, seam splitting, closed sinks, closed unsinks and unwraps some
>>> sadistic paperfolders are imposing on us.
>
>The strongest *paper* I know of are of the foil-backed hybrid. Composite
>mediums of any sort seem to produce the stongest material, but foil backing
>has some wonderful (and not so wonderful) foldingf properties. There is a
>lot of room for experimentation in this area, but the formula I use is two
>layers of soft Unryu, with a layer of foil inbetween. The bonding is done
>via spray glue. By using more layers of foil, and thicker paper stock, the
>durability and look of wet folding can be achived (I just recently fooled my
>toughest critic into thinking I had gone the wet-folding route). Again, if
>strength is a main criterium, foil-backed hybrids are the way to go.
>
>Marc

To augment what Marc says on the subjects of hybrids: if you plan to make a
tissue/foil/tissue paper, think about adding some plastic wrap inside to make a
tissue/foil/plastic wrap/tissue or even tissue/plastic wrap/foil/plastic
wrap/tissue
combo.The plastic is so thin it is barely noticable and it is very difficult to
get the paper to rip.  (Haven't tried Unryu yet, but imagine the same results).

                    -Namir

!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-!-
!-!-!
Pamela Graben:     Thinking... what a concept!
Namir Gharaibeh:  "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."
                          pgraben@umich.edu





Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 15:13:10 -0400 (AST)
From: RA Kennedy <kennedra@isdugp.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Recovering from loss of mail.

Good evening, friends,

Thank you to everyone who offered me advice on how to recover from
suddenly finding that origami-l had stopped sending me mail. I
reproduce below:

Hi Richard.

Looks like you were set to POSTPONE, which means that you don't get
mail from the list till you set it back to ACK or NOACK.
ACK means that you see your own messages that you send.
want to chance confusing the listserver), and the following body.

HELP SET
SET ORIGAMI-L
SET ORIGAMI-L MAIL NOACK
END

The above will send you the list of set commands, with explanations,
tell you your settings for the list, and then set you to receive
mail, but without seeing the mail you send to the list (use ACK in place
of NOACK if you wish to see the mail you send).

Ciao,
        Shane

This avoids having to unsubscribe and resubscribe, which can take days
to process. I hope this helps others who are suddenly disconnected, which
seems to be quite a common occurence.

It's good to be back!

Richard K.
(R.A.Kennedy@bham.ac.uk)
Birmingham, England.





Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 16:04:59 -0400 (AST)
From: rita <rstevens@philly.infi.net>
Subject: moonlander (not really origami related)

My sincere apologies for the non-origami content.

I have alot of trouble viewing the postscript files posted on the ftp site.
I can view other postscript files with GhostScript 4.01 and GSview, but
whenever I try to open one of the origami pictures I get a 255 error
('cannot find initialization file gs_init.ps  gsdll_init returns 255').
Does anyone have any idea what this means?  I thought maybe the diagrams
were saved under a later version than what I have been using?  I know I
could wait until someone converts this to a pdf and use acrobat (I've never
had any trouble with that application) but I was curious about the diagram.
Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance.
Rita





Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 17:10:25 -0400 (AST)
From: "ANITA L. HAWKINS" <ahawkins@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu>
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Theme

On Fri, 8 Nov 1996, Cathy Palmer-Lister wrote:
> >There is a Cornucopia in Mark Turner's _Garden_Folds_, recently reprinted by
> >OUSA.  I haven't folded it yet so I can't personally comment on it.
> >
> >-Doug
>
>
> Thanks, Doug, do you know if it comes with diagrams for the veggies?  I
> can't even imagine how an ear of corn would be folded.  I suooose that
> apples and such-like could be done with the balloon design.

Hi Cathy,
Another source, is in Origami for the Conneusier (please forgive
spelling!), there are "three vegetables" (pepper, eggplant, and Daikon
radish) from which others could be easily adapted. Easy folds, and nicely
3-D.

Hope this helps,
Anita





Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 17:47:55 -0400 (AST)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: moonlander (not really origami related)

+Does anyone have any idea what this means?  I thought maybe the diagrams
+were saved under a later version than what I have been using?  I know I
+could wait until someone converts this to a pdf and use acrobat (I've never
+had any trouble with that application) but I was curious about the diagram.
+Any suggestions?

I just got the diagrams from ftp.rug.nl and tried to print them - nothin'
happened.  I added a 'showpage' command to the end of each file and they
printed OK, though it looks like they might have been written for A4 rather
than 8.5x11 paper, as I lost a bit of text of the bottom of the page.
the showpage command to add is:
            showpage

(Pretty simple command!)

Hope this helps!

-Doug





Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 17:57:55 -0400 (AST)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Modern Origami Reprint

James_Sakoda@brown.edu wrote:
+        I have been negotiationg with Dover Publications to have them
+reprint Modern Origami.  They have consented to reprint it, and it should
+be on the market one of these days.
    ...
+        For those who do not have a copy of Modern Origami will have an
+opportunity to get one and better follow the arguments that I make.  I will
+certainly let you all know when it becomes available.  James M. Sakoda.

Great!

Speaking of books, any news on the new (edition/revision, etc.?) of your
flowers book?

-Doug





Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 17:54:35 -0400 (AST)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com>
Subject: Re: Aid to paper rippers

Namir wrote:

+To augment what Marc says on the subjects of hybrids: if you plan to make a
+tissue/foil/tissue paper, think about adding some plastic wrap inside to
+make a tissue/foil/plastic wrap/tissue or even tissue/plastic
+wrap/foil/plastic wrap/ tissue combo.The plastic is so thin it is barely
+noticable and it is very difficult to get the paper to rip.  (Haven't tried
+Unryu yet, but imagine the same results).

I would also recommend florists foil - the kind that has a plastic layer in
it.  You don't get the tissue outer layer, but it is extremely strong and
avoids having to use adhesives!  Most chemical adhesives have a smell that
gives me a big headache and mild nausea.  I have never experimented with
tissue foil for that reason, to me the risk isn't worth it and florists foil
is a great substitute for those models that can tolerate having foil as the
final surface.

Just a few cents from the adled brain of:
    Doug "We don't need no stinkin' nicknames!" Philips





Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 17:58:05 -0400 (AST)
From: Sy Chen <sychen@leatherback.nist.gov>
Subject: Re: moonlander (not origami related)[GhostScript]

At 04:05 PM 11/8/96 -0400, Rita wrote:
>My sincere apologies for the non-origami content.
>
>I have alot of trouble viewing the postscript files posted on the ftp site.
>I can view other postscript files with GhostScript 4.01 and GSview, but
>whenever I try to open one of the origami pictures I get a 255 error
>('cannot find initialization file gs_init.ps  gsdll_init returns 255').
>Does anyone have any idea what this means?  I thought maybe the diagrams
>were saved under a later version than what I have been using?  I know I
>could wait until someone converts this to a pdf and use acrobat (I've never
>had any trouble with that application) but I was curious about the diagram.
>Any suggestions?
>
It puzzles me about unreadable ps diagrams in your GhostScript. I have no
problems using Ghostscipt 4.01 in my PC to read those Moonlander diagrams.
You may try this one:
>From the GSview menu select Options | Configure Ghostscript and enter the
correct Ghostscript DLL path. For example
 c:\gstools\gsN.NN\gsdll32.exe
This message also occurs if Ghostscript cannot find its initialization files
(e.g. gs_init.ps).  Set the Ghostscript Include Path correctly. You need to
have the correct include path as well. e.g.  c:\gstools\gsN.NN\

Hope this helps.

Sy Chen





Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 20:59:39 -0400 (AST)
From: Steve Nielsen <nielsen@tc1.sims.nrc.ca>
Subject: Re:_Aid_to_paper_rippers

Regarding the recent comments on foil-paper hybrids
and the problem of using spray adhesives to bond the
foil to the paper, there is a solution.

All of the foil origami paper I buy has foil on one
side and paper on the other. Indeed, I have not seen
purely foil being sold as origami `paper'. Hence I
simply use paste to bond the paper side of the foil
to, say, a piece of washi -- this gives very nice
results. (I just folded Brill's fox from foil/washi.)

        Steve Nielsen
        Toronto, Canada





Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 21:37:48 -0400 (AST)
From: "Rachel Katz" <mandrk@pb.net>
Subject: Re: Re-run on Discovery Channel

Just a reminder that tomorrow (Saturday November 9th) the origami
demonstration by Gay Merrill Gross will be repeated on The Discovery
Channel. It airs at 10:00A.M. Eastern time (sorry probably in the U.S. only).
Her segment appears at about half past the hour. She introduces
origami with an amazing unfolding square by Fujimoto. She learned it
from Tony Cheng who learned it from TOM HULL who brought it back from
Japan. She teaches the simple magazine box and shows lots of
variations. The show will be repeated on Tuesday Novenber 19th at
1:00P.M.

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 22:56:00 -0400 (AST)
From: James_Sakoda@brown.edu (James M. Sakoda)
Subject: Re: Modern Origami Reprint

>Dear Mr. Sakoda:
>
>Congratulations on getting your excellent Origami text reprinted. As I've
>mentioned to you in past E-Mails, I treasure my well worn copy very much.
>
>However, I'm still waiting for when you get a chance to re-print your
>"Origami Flower Arrangement"! Hopefully this will be sometime soon, as I'd
>really like to add this to my Origami Collection.
>
>Hope to see you at the next OUSA convention.
>
>Regards.
>
>
>*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
>Charles Knuffke       "Amen the Thunderbolt in the Dark Void"

        Thanks for your congratulations on prospects for Dover Publications
reprinting my Modern Origami.  I have made some progress on the flower
arrangement book.  Instead of just one square vase, I have developed
hexagon shaped vases in different sizes.  I have increased the strength of
the stems.  This has required consideration of how to cut the paper for
different sizes of stems and leaves in order to use the available paper
effectively.  I have settled on 10 x 12.5 inches as the standard size of
paper to recommend, in dull or pastel shades, a size selected to enable
covering the posterboard vase, as well as being small enough to fit into an
envelope for mailing purposes.    From this sheet it is possible to cut one
ten inch square, two six inch squares, four 5 inch squares.  I have also
developed a vase with open top to accommodate flat iris type leaves, as
well working on the folding of the leaves.  I had previously used a single
longish leaf for all flowers, but am considering increaseing the variety of
leaves, incuding a symmetrical one which can be folded from a square.
Until now the effort has been to provide for the simplest arrangement based
on three main stems, but I now see the desirability of being more flexible.
For one thing I see the need for more leaves to fill the spaces between
the main stems.  I need to make some good sample arrangements, which I can
photograph for the book.  The last set of photographs were taken with a
camcorder and the quality of the picture was not very good.  So it's going
to take a while before I get the book done.  And then there will be more
delays to get it published, if I'm lucky.
        To tell you the truth I have taken time out for other things.  I
bought a new power Mac 7500 and had some difficulty getting SLIP to work
properly because I had purchased a 28.8 speed Suprafax modem which was not
on SLIP's list of modems to choose from.    The 7.5 system became very
complicated , with dangers of conflicts between different programs.  On top
of that Open Transport was not working properly.  I upgraded the 7.5.1
system to 7.5.3, but only recently with Brown University turning out a new
set of software including SLIP, Eudora and Netscape has the e-mail and
world wide web operation worked halfway decently.
         I also began work on knot origami, after seeing the work done by
Strobl.  More recently I worked on reverse engineering a two-part panda,
which turns out to be in a Origami Made Easy by Kunihiko Kasahara.  But I
have been looking at roses my wife picked and have noticed that it has
relatively small symmetrical three leaf stems in between the flowers, and
have been trying them out.  But before I can do much more I'm going to need
more shelf space!
        I have been looking at the problem of putting up a web page, but
have decided that I should not go ahead with it until I can get line
drawings stored in Adobe's portable document format.  But Adobe has
discontinued all older versions of Acrobat, and the new Acrobat 3.O is
advertised but not yet available.  Once I get the world wide web page I
figure that I can put material that I develop on it, rather than to wait
years to publish a book.  So maybe that's going to be the initial solution
for the varied work I have been involved in.  But thanks for the reminder.
James M. Sakoda
