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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 16:40:42 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kim Best <Kim.Best@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: political folds

On Fri, 18 Oct 1996, Carol Hall wrote:

> It's election time in the U.S.   There are lots of elephant models for
> Republican folds.   Where are the donkey models for Democratic folds?
>
> Carol Hall
> chall@scsn.net
>

Well, I suppose you could fold a horse making the ears larger, and
modifying the mouth to suggest buck teeth.

Extra points if you can get it to do the Macerana.

Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    *          Origamist:         *
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * Some one who thinks paper   *
420 Chipeta Way #120                * thin, means thick and bulky *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 16:44:07 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pat Slider <slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us>
Subject: Dick Blick paper.

Speaking of paper....

I just got a sale catalog from Dick Blick and was wondering if anyone has
tried  either their "India Silk" or the "Coral Reef" papers? With a 10-sheet
minimum, thought I would ask before I ordered any :->.

The India Silk paper (mix of cotton and silk) is 100-lb and "internally
sized", so I am wondering if it might be nice for wet-folding.

pat slider
slider@yosemite.net





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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 16:47:31 -0300 (ADT)
From: Contractors Exchange <contract@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: political folds

At 04:08 PM 10/18/96 -0300, chall@scsn.net (Carol Hall) wrote:
>It's election time in the U.S.   There are lots of elephant models for
>Republican folds.   Where are the donkey models for Democratic folds?

Kasahara has one in Origami Omnibus. I think Bun McLaine and Fred Rohm came
up with one, but I do not know where they are published. Keeping within the
political vein, I have a model called *Inflation* which can be found at the
archives (ftp.ug.nl).
Marc





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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 17:09:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pat Slider <slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us>
Subject: Re: political folds

At 04:09 PM 10/18/96 -0300, you wrote:
>It's election time in the U.S.   There are lots of elephant models for
>Republican folds.   Where are the donkey models for Democratic folds?

Isn't there a donkey is one of the Kasahara books? "Origami Omnibus" perhaps?

pat slider.





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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 17:59:31 -0300 (ADT)
From: zachary brown <zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu>
Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: first working version of "rod" available on web site

# Does anyone know if ROD for diagramming can be downloaded and used
# with a MAC.
# thanks, Dorigami

Theoretically there should be no problem with Rod itself, since it is
a Perl script and perl has been ported to the Mac. The only problem
you might have is with oridraw, since Rod only produces output fit for
processing through oridraw. Rugcis does not have Mac binaries for
oridraw, but the source code is there, and could be compiled on your
system, potentially.

I'd be very interested to know how your experiences with Rod go. If
you have any ideas for how I could make the language better, please
let me know.

Zack





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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 19:25:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kristine Tomlinson <ktomlinson@platinum.com>
Subject: 1853 American Trouble-wit Reference

Hi,

Here's another one of those finds from my trip to a rare book libarary.
Starting on page 174 of "Complete Origami", Eric Kenneway describes
Trouble-wit -- the original "performance origami" using a folded and
pleated piece of paper to create various shapes used in story telling.
Keneway cites a 1710 London edition of "Sports and Pastime: or, Hocus
Pocus Improved, ... " as the first mention.

There are several American books called "Hocus Pocus" -- unfortunately
I didn't have time to look at them.  I did find trouble-wit in "The Boy's Own
Book: A complete encyclopedia of all the diversions, ... of boyhood and
youth."  This was first published in Boston in 1829 from a London edition
of 1828.  The author I believe is William Clarke (I'll check my notes for
anyone who wants to know for sure). The edition I looked at was 1853.
It has three pages of illustrations which resemble the 1896 Strand
Magazine version Kenneway reprints, 'though I find the description in the
Boys Own Book hard to follow.

Here's a comparison of the shapes in the 1853 book that also appear in
Complete Origami's 1896 Strand Magazine reprint:

1. Manipulate base position so it looks like shuffling a pack of cards.
2. Close to create a rosette for a lady's shoe (1896: "rosette")
3. Stretch it to look like "a cover for an Italian couch" (1896: a bath mat)
4. Release one end to look like a wicket (It's clearly English! :-) (1896: a
church window)
5. Close it and pinch bottom to make a fan (1896: fan)
6. and 7. Two variations on fan shapes. (1896: no equivalents?)

Hope you origami history and magic buffs find this of interest.

Kristine
ktomlinson@platinum.com
Waltham, MA, USA





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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 20:34:41 -0300 (ADT)
From: Emma&Jack Craib <gearhead@snet.net>
Subject: unique paper cheap

hi...
   If anyone cares to decorate their own paper easily and cheaply I
waould recommend using
washes applied by sponge or brush.  To add a quick spritz of another
color (gold, black) to add more surface interest/focus use a toothbrush.
If anyones interested I'd be glad to expand on this recipe this
weekend...a few people on the list have seen these papers and I think can
vouch for their quality and good looks... This is a quick drying
technique, so one is not lumbered with 100s of wet, curling papers
hanging all over the house!        Emma

Emma & Jack Craib  gearhead@snet.net





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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 21:26:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: cwalker@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (Cindy Walker)
Subject: New Origami Sighting

This was an honorable mention in the Sept. 5 Sacramento News and Review's
"Fiction 59" contest--for stories of 59 words or less.  Here it is:

        "These are the best," she told the postal inspectors who arrived and
found several thousand pounds of missing mail neatly folded into origami
birds.  "The wings flap," she'd said, demonstrating on an unemployment check
swan.

        Later people would whisper their mailcarrier had gone insane.  That,
of course, was inaccurate.  Gone would suggest she'd started someplace
else--someplace sane.
                                        by Rhonda Thurlow

--
 Cindy Walker
 cwalker@dcn.davis.ca.us
 http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~cwalker





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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 21:26:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: reeds@openix.com (Reeds Family)
Subject: Re: unique paper cheap

>hi...
>   If anyone cares to decorate their own paper easily and cheaply I
>waould recommend using
>washes applied by sponge or brush.  To add a quick spritz of another
>color (gold, black) to add more surface interest/focus use a toothbrush.
>If anyones interested I'd be glad to expand on this recipe this
>weekend...a few people on the list have seen these papers and I think can
>vouch for their quality and good looks... This is a quick drying
>technique, so one is not lumbered with 100s of wet, curling papers
>hanging all over the house!        Emma
>
>Emma & Jack Craib  gearhead@snet.net

Please do give details.
Karen
reeds@openix.com





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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 23:43:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: bc808@lafn.org (Karen Liebgott)
Subject: Re: unique paper cheap

>   If anyone cares to decorate their own paper easily and cheaply I
>waould recommend using
>washes applied by sponge or brush...

Another easy method would be to use really small rubber stamps. In fact,
you can buy small stamps in sets of a particular theme, such as tea-time,
flowers, sports equipment.

--
--------------
    Karen
bc808@lafn.org





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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 01:57:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@pb.net>
Subject: Re: black and white dancers

The dancers in Harbin's book are not the same elegant model known as
"The Last Waltz." The latter is a three dimensional stylized model of
unusual elegance. I'm folding thirty or more for our group's
Christmas tree and might do a class on this model in the spring special
sessions at the Museum of Natural History. It's easily my favorite model.

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 02:16:33 -0300 (ADT)
From: jimdep@juno.com (James E. Deppeler)
Subject: Re: New Origami Sighting

dear cindy walker
excelent excelent excelent
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~jimdep@juno.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~There are more ways to skin a cat, than sticking its
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~head in a boot jack, and jerking on its tail.





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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 12:17:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: resource at the BOS site

Can't remember if I told you about this, but there is a windows help
file about the BOS available from the BOS web site (see below).....

all the best,

Nick Robinson

Origami, Improvised Guitar, Internet consultancy and Web design!

email           nick@homelink.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/nick
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/





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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 14:40:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: zachary brown <zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.EDU>
Subject: ANNOUNCE: Version 008 of rod available for download

I've just put version 008 of rod on my site

http://lynx.dac.neu.edu/home/httpd/z/zbrown/origami

Rod is a wRapper for OriDraw. It takes in commands and outputs text
that can then be fed to oridraw. Rod is a full scale, powerful
programming language that makes it fairly easy to draw highly accurate
origami diagrams. A couple examples are included in the distribution.
If you make any diagrams with rod, I'd be happy to include them as
examples in future distributions.

What's new?

The variable 'linelength' has been taken out. Rod now correctly
calculates the length of each line of text underneath a diagram.

I've also added a new variable, 'magnification', which allows you to
change the size of your diagrams, without having to worry about doing
extra calculations.

I've gotten rid of the intro{} command and the 'introlength' variable.
Now, a simple text{} command before any drawing is done, will suffice.

There's a new command, output{}, which can be used to tell rod not to
send any oridraw commands to output, but just to process calculations.
Very useful if you just want to print a single diagram in the middle
of the whole model.

The stop{} command has been given greater powers. With a single ! as
an argument, it causes rod to exit, at whatever point it is at. The
normal usage of stop{} still causes rod simply to skip to the next
start{} command.

I've added some stubs for flow control, if{} and while{}. Don't use
them. They don't work yet.

All old scripts should still work with version 008.

Zack





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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 21:17:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: Rjlang@aol.com
Subject: Re: RE: PLEASE HELP!!!!!

I don't think a 9 year old would be able to fold it [the Praying Mantis in
the archives] though. Heck, I think most people on this list would have
trouble folding it!  Apart from  Robert himself of course...

Actually, even "Robert himself" has been known to blow out the neck doing the
closed sinks around the head. This is especially embarrassing when it happens
during a teaching session.





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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 06:10:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: longsand@singnet.com.sg (John Chan)
Subject: kawasaki rose

Hi,

does anybody out there have or know where i can find a picture of Kawasaki's
Rose? i tried a few websites but to no avail (Joseph Wu's website had a
link, but somehow i was unable to load the pic.) i also tried to look for
Origami books but these are few in Singapore.
well, my problem with the rose is that firstly, the whole model doesn't stay
in shape, preferring to pop up & unwind itself. Secondly, the petals aren't
flat (wonder if i folded something incorrectly). Thirdly, the last reverse
fold step always got my paper torn. Oh yes, are you supposed to poke your
finger down the middle & twist? my rose doesn't quite look like a rose!

if anyone has any advice or pictures, please reply. i would sincerely
appreciate it!

THANX

                                                                ~john~





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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 11:34:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: Richard of Foong <ryf@ecr.mu.oz.au>
Subject: Re: unique paper cheap

>
> >   If anyone cares to decorate their own paper easily and cheaply I
> >waould recommend using
> >washes applied by sponge or brush...
>
> Another easy method would be to use really small rubber stamps. In fact,
> you can buy small stamps in sets of a particular theme, such as tea-time,
> flowers, sports equipment.

How about marbling? My sister has a marbling set, but I have not yet tried
it... could someone give me some hints about this kinda art for paper?

Richard





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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 11:41:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: Mark Morden <marmonk@eskimo.COM>
Subject: Re: kawasaki rose

At 06:11 AM 10/20/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>does anybody out there have or know where i can find a picture of Kawasaki's
>Rose? i tried a few websites but to no avail (Joseph Wu's website had a
>link, but somehow i was unable to load the pic.)

If you visit my web site, there is a picture of a yellow rose right at the
top of the page.  This is a top view only, so it may or may not be of use to
you.  The address for my page is below.

Mark

Mark Morden == marmonk@mail.eskimo.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~marmonk/
--------------------------------------------------------
I believe in Christianity as I believe that the Sun
has risen; not only because I see it, but because by it
I see everything else.
                       C.S. Lewis, "The Weight of Glory"





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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 12:00:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: Emma&Jack Craib <gearhead@snet.net>
Subject: marbling thoughts

Hi,  I've made marbled paper, reproductions of period papers to match the
century and country of a book they were to be used on, and would heartily
encourage anyone to give it a shot...especially if you enjoy making a
colorful mess! (I do :-) )

   If you just go  with the flow and be sensitive to your color
combinations, you can't go wrong.

 There are many books in the stores to peek at for how-to info
nowadays...and don't forget interlibrary loan if your local library isn't
any help.  If anyone falls in love with the technique and needs more
serious references I'll dig mine out...there are a couple old  European
books that are aimed at the production/artisan marbler.
Emma

Emma & Jack Craib  gearhead@snet.net





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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 12:16:02 -0300 (ADT)
From: Richard of Foong <ryf@ecr.mu.oz.AU>
Subject: Re: RE: PLEASE HELP!!!!!

On Sat, 19 Oct 1996 Rjlang@aol.com wrote:

> I don't think a 9 year old would be able to fold it [the Praying Mantis in
> the archives] though. Heck, I think most people on this list would have
> trouble folding it!  Apart from  Robert himself of course...
>
> Actually, even "Robert himself" has been known to blow out the neck doing the
> closed sinks around the head. This is especially embarrassing when it happens
> during a teaching session.

The head of my mantis ends up looking like a horse. :(

Richard Foong.





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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 12:25:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Richard of Foong <ryf@ecr.mu.oz.au>
Subject: The Kawasaki rose, again

Hi everone!

        Has anyone tought of a way to make this rose without sooooo amny
folds? Although the final output looks nice, the folds sorta make it
look... not so nice. Also, has anyone got any instructions to make a stem
with leaves? I saw the stem for the rose in the origami ftp site, but i
couldn't understand them. Has anyone tried them?

Richard Foong.





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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 16:10:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: Michael & Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: kawasaki rose

John Chan wrote:
> does anybody out there have or know where i can find a picture of Kawasaki's
> Rose? i tried a few websites but to no avail (Joseph Wu's website had a
> link, but somehow i was unable to load the pic.) i also tried to look for
> Origami books but these are few in Singapore.
> well, my problem with the rose is that firstly, the whole model doesn't stay
> in shape, preferring to pop up & unwind itself. Secondly, the petals aren't
> flat (wonder if i folded something incorrectly). Thirdly, the last reverse
> fold step always got my paper torn. Oh yes, are you supposed to poke your
> finger down the middle & twist? my rose doesn't quite look like a rose!

I think that the rose pictures that are out on the web are of Kawasaki's
     original rose, the one diagrammed in
OftC.  From your description, it sounds like you are trying to fold the newer
     rose, for which diagrams are
available at the origami ftp site.

The point in the model where it says to twist around your finger, the petals do
     lie flat, and it appears like a
cylinder.  Also, there is a small error in step 24 - the horizontal mountain
     fold line should be down one line
futher in the grid, and the vertical mountain fold should be over one to the
     right.  I don't know it this is
what was causing your problem with the last reverse fold step.

Janet Hamilton

--
mailto:Mikeinnj@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~Mikeinnj/





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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 18:54:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@pb.net>
Subject: Re: Leaves for a rose

A lovely stem with two leaves can be created from a single bird base.
Credit goes to a Central European folder whose first name I believe is
Annika. Perhaps someone can fill in the last name. She created it for
a tulip which I've modified for a rose.

1-Fold a bird base leaving one wing down.

2-Using the wing that is left down, Narrow  with a  kite fold.

3-Turn over.

4-Kite fold top flap from the top.

5-Spread squash fold made at step 4 forming small triangles.
  (Beginners, don't sweat this one - read on)

You've now basically completed the folding. For the rose, I pleat the
side pieces (leaves) then unfold and shape with partial inside reverse
folds to taste. You can kite fold to cover the spread squashes especially
if you weren't too neat to begin with.

This is a lovely model, If I wasn't clear, e-mail me for
clarification.

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 19:53:34 -0300 (ADT)
From: Oded Streigold <benjic@netvision.net.il>
Subject: FW: Error Condition Re: RE:BATS

  HI

  There are 3 more bats that I know that were not mentioned :

            1) Happy good luck bat by Michael LaFosse published
               in Origami USA Convention
            2) Two bats p.101 & p. 239 in Paper Magic by Harbin

     All three are good and are not so complicate to fold

     gil_rostoker

     you have to type my adress manually because the adress you'll try to
     reply automaticaly is a diffrent one

     gil_rostoker@comverse.com





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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 22:24:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: James_Sakoda@brown.edu (James M. Sakoda)
Subject: : RE:BATS

There is a bat in my now out of print Modern Origami, 1969, Simon and
Schuster.  James M. Sakoda.





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Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 23:41:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: Joseph Wu <origami@planet.datt.co.jp>
Subject: Origami Sightings Page

I've added Janet Hamilton's list of origami sightings to my origami page. I
hope that you all will visit and add to the list! I've edited the list a
bit and have organized them in several broad categories.

          Joseph Wu           Faith: When you have come to the end of all the
  origami@planet.datt.co.jp   light that you know and need to step into the
 Webmaster, the Origami Page  darkness of the unknown, Faith is knowing that
http://www.datt.co.jp/Origami one of two things will happen: either there will
 Webmaster, DATT Japan Inc.   be something solid to stand on or you will be
    http://www.datt.co.jp     taught how to fly.                --Anonymous





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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:08:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Oded Streigold <benjic@netvision.net.il>
Subject: Re: Shared and Artistic Origami

 I would like to add something to the artistry of shared origami.
 I think that important, because that is what most folders do. I think that
 at some stage, folders may be attracted to artistic folding, rather then
 shared because there may be such thing as a level of art: something may
 be very artistic, and something else can be even *more* artistic.
 But my point is this: When you make a shared model, the art in it is
 not only choosing the paper, choosing the context of the model (such
 as where you put the model, and what is the interaction of the model
 with models around it), the art is also not only creating variation on
 a model, or making some judgment folds, or sculpting the last stage of
     the model such as with a different personality; Except for all these
 things, the art is in the creating of the model. When creating a model,
 you make a shape out of the blank paper. You change the paper, turn it
 around in your hand, put more pressure to some point, concentrate in
 keeping some part of the model the way you want it; The model goes
 through a melting pot of your emotions, feelings, skills; In the end
 you have a structure that you are intimately linked to. Every line and
 curve, plane and point, you have created, and worked on, so that it will
 be the way you wanted it be. You have put your mark on the model in every
 tiny wrinkle, crease, and angle, and the model, may have left its mark on
 you. That why I love complex folds. I think these folds are underestimated
 as art forms because they are technical, but these are the folds that takes
 the folder through a journey: like a long journey, they can be frustrating
 at times, and bring you through mountains and valleys of different
     emotions.

 I don't want to discredit what has been called here artistic or subjective
 origami, I'm most interested in that, but that is not the only art that
 can be found in origami.

 Oded.
 benjic@netvision.net.il





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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:19:33 -0300 (ADT)
From: zachary brown <zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu>
Subject: ANNOUNCE: new model on Underground Origami Page

"Drop On The Tip" by Pentheus has been placed on the Underground
Origami Page

http://lynx.dac.neu.edu/home/httpd/z/zbrown/origami/underground

It is a color-change penis with a drop of cum on the head.

Zack





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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 12:00:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: Derek Stottlemyer <dereks@ic.NET>
Subject: Re: unique paper cheap

Richard of Foong wrote:

> How about marbling? My sister has a marbling set, but I have not yet tried
> it... could someone give me some hints about this kinda art for paper?
>
> Richard

        I got a book on marbling, just with the hope of making Origami paper,
but you need some very strange materials, such as Ox gall (I think).  I never
got around to putting that much effort into it.  I would be curious to hear
the experience of anyone who has managed it, though.
        Derek





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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 12:13:01 -0300 (ADT)
From: Derek Stottlemyer <dereks@ic.net>
Subject: Re: marbling thoughts

Emma&Jack Craib wrote:
>
> Hi,  I've made marbled paper, reproductions of period papers to match the
> century and country of a book they were to be used on, and would heartily
> encourage anyone to give it a shot...especially if you enjoy making a
> colorful mess! (I do :-) )

        That's what I get for not reading all the posts before I reply.
What materials did you use to marble, and if they were strange animal parts,
did you have any suggestions on how to find them?  TIA,
        Derek





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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 20:13:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: Emma&Jack Craib <gearhead@snet.net>
Subject: marbling takes gall

Hi,
   Marbling is not for anyone who is a "control freak".  While expert
marblers are able to repeat papers with remarkable consistency of
pattern, casual marblers like myself are happy to get something that is
good looking and in the general style desired.  If you embrace the
concept of "happy accidents" you can enjoy marbling.
   All the uncertainty is due to a ton of variables, each of which can
have a big-time effect
on the paper.  The animal part stuff that was referred to, the ox gall,
is one of the most dramatic variable.  Its job is to adjust the
individual colors ability to fight the surface tension of the size (size
is the glop...carraghenan moss extract that is like clear real thin
jello...that you sprinkle the color drops onto...the size allows you to
comb the colors into pattern but the colors will not continue to move or
swirl when  you stop the manipulation.)  Anyway, gall is from gall
bladders of cattle.  Buy it in small amounts as it looses its potency
sitting around.  Good ole New York Central Supply can help you out, and
definitly at Talas (NYC call information). Too much and all the colors on
the size will shoot to the edges of the marbling tray in a nano second!!!
  Not enough, the colors sink below the surface, never to be seen again.
Actually, the oxgall helps each color resist the push of neighboring
colors...some colors are pushy and shove wimpy colors away so you can't
see them much.
   If you can, find a copy of THe Practical Guide to Marbling Paper by
Anne Chambers...it is a very real book (and many are not).
   I'd better stop, if you want more specific advice, feel free to ask...
Cheers, Emma

Emma & Jack Craib  gearhead@snet.net





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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:40:42 -0300 (ADT)
From: Michael Wareman <mwareman@admin.oldscollege.ab.ca>
Subject: Clarification of Lang's dragonfly

Hello:

After many attempts I have finally succeeded in completing Robert Lang's
     Dragonfly from
ORIGAMI INSECTS.  I just need a little help with some of the steps as they did
     not
turnout as illustrated.

First, after doing steps 51-54 I have two peaks.  This did not seem to effect
     the out
come of the model.  Just curious as to what I might have done wrong or is the
     diagrams
wrong?  I noticed that steps 45-48 did not occur exactly as illustrated either.

Second, after doing steps 56-61 I did not get step 62 as illustrated.  My model
     had a
wider lower square.  Thus I didn't get the model as illustrated in step 63.
     Again it
didn't seem to effect the model too much.  It is just not as neat as it should
     be.

Finally, I have origami paper but does not seem to be square.  Often there is a
difference of only 1/2 millimeter to 1 millimeter.  This can make a big
     difference later
on with some of Lang's models.  How do some of you deal with this slight
     inaccuracy?  Am
I doing something wrong when I am folding the paper diagonally?  (This is when
     I notice
that the paper is not square!!)

Michael Wareman
mwareman@admin.oldscollege.ab.ca





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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:44:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: Rachel Katz <mandrk@pb.net>
Subject: Re: Napkin Folding on the Discovery Channel

If you missed Gay Merrill Gross on the Discovery Channel on October
7th, the show will be repeated on Saturday November 19th from 10-11AM
Eastern Standard Time.

Tomorrow, Gay will do an eight minute segment on Napkin Folding. Her
segment is in the middle of the program. Again, it is on the Discovery
Channel from 10-11AM Eastern Daylight Savings Time.

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:48:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pat Slider <slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us>
Subject: Re: gall-less marbling and suminagashi.

Here's some gall-less instructions:

http://www.calweb.com/~mcfadden/rbmpg6.html

Perhaps the gelatin in these instructions is a substitute for the gall?
Gelatin is an animal by-product too....from bones and hooves. (I know of one
restaurant that served a vegetarian meal with jello before! This is one that
is often overlooked.)

Anyway, another alternative to marbling is the traditional Japanese craft of
Suminagashi. The results are quite similar to marbling but you use ink
instead of oil-based paint. Don't recall that it uses gall. There is a
recent book out on the subject by Anne Chambers, if you are interested.

I also wonder if perhaps Suminagashi might work better for origami than
marbling. I confess I haven't done either, but I would guess that ink would
"thicken" the paper less than oil-paint.

pat slider.





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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 23:03:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: James_Sakoda@brown.edu (James M. Sakoda)
Subject: Re: Shared and Artistic Origami

> I would like to add something to the artistry of shared origami.
> I think that important, because that is what most folders do. I think that
> at some stage, folders may be attracted to artistic folding, rather then
> shared because there may be such thing as a level of art: something may
> be very artistic, and something else can be even *more* artistic.
> But my point is this: When you make a shared model, the art in it is
> not only choosing the paper, choosing the context of the model (such
> as where you put the model, and what is the interaction of the model
> with models around it), the art is also not only creating variation on
> a model, or making some judgment folds, or sculpting the last stage of
>the model such as with a different personality; Except for all these
> things, the art is in the creating of the model. When creating a model,
> you make a shape out of the blank paper. You change the paper, turn it
> around in your hand, put more pressure to some point, concentrate in
> keeping some part of the model the way you want it; The model goes
> through a melting pot of your emotions, feelings, skills; In the end
> you have a structure that you are intimately linked to. Every line and
> curve, plane and point, you have created, and worked on, so that it will
> be the way you wanted it be. You have put your mark on the model in every
> tiny wrinkle, crease, and angle, and the model, may have left its mark on
> you. That why I love complex folds. I think these folds are underestimated
> as art forms because they are technical, but these are the folds that takes
> the folder through a journey: like a long journey, they can be frustrating
> at times, and bring you through mountains and valleys of different
>emotions.
>
> I don't want to discredit what has been called here artistic or subjective
> origami, I'm most interested in that, but that is not the only art that
> can be found in origami.
>
> Oded.
> benjic@netvision.net.il
>
I believe that it is not error in logic to refer to paper folding in terms
of "shared" and "artistic", implying that shared origami cannot be artistic
or that artistic orgami cannot be shared.  I believe that what we are
talking about is the type of folding that most people do compared to what a
folder like Akira Yoshizawa does.  Most folder prefer to fold precisely or
systematically, folding firmly by folding a corner or an edge to a
determined point or to an established line or edge.  Often one's starting
point is a base like the bird or frog base, blintze bird base, waterbomb
base.  Often when one comes to an intricate detail, such as the neck of a
bird or the legs of a horse some judgment is needed to determine the most
desirable position.  One can make an effort to determine the desired
position in a manner in which it can be taught to others, or one can simply
go ahead and shape the head of a bird, for example, to satisfy oneself.  If
one has good artistic sense, this may result in an artistic piece of work,
but without it the result may be clumsy or even ugly.

        For example, one can put in creases into a neck of a swan to make
it realistically curved, without fully achieving this end.  I once took a
course from Akira Yoshizawa on folding his swan and I had difficulty
folding it exactly right.  He looked at my work and shook his head, saying
that it took his students years to get it right.  My preference is to avoid
crooks in necks and legs as much as possible, seeking satisfaction in nice
clean lines, put together in an attractive manner, taking care to try to
achieve an attitude of some sort--the proud giraffe, the perky mouse, the
gentle nun, the dignified owl.  Of the traditional Japanese folds the one
which is most admired for its attractiveness is the folded crane (orizuru),
which is folded precisely in a way which can be easily taught.

        The tems shared and artistic refer to two different attributes of
folding.  One might refer to systematic and unsystematic folding, both of
which can be  artistic or nonartistic, or to sharable and nonsharable
folding.  Perhaps the better term to use is  paper folding versus  paper
sculpturing, the emphais on either can lead to artisitic folds.  James M.
Sakoda





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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 00:24:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: PErick3491@aol.com
Subject: creating origami

As of about two weeks ago Fascinating Folds was selling the book Creating
Origami.<http://www.fascinating-folds.com> or P.O. Box 2820-235, Torrance, CA
 90509-2820.  Good luck.





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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 01:22:51 -0300 (ADT)
From: TrekDBob@aol.com
Subject: Re: PLEASE HELP!!!!!

In a message dated 96-10-19 20:49:58 EDT, you write:

> From: Rjlang@aol.com
>  Sender:      origami-l@nstn.ca
>  Reply-to:    origami-l@nstn.ca
>  To:  origami-l@nstn.ca (Multiple recipients of list)
>
>  I don't think a 9 year old would be able to fold it [the Praying Mantis in
>  the archives] though. Heck, I think most people on this list would have
>  trouble folding it!  Apart from  Robert himself of course...
>
>  Actually, even "Robert himself" has been known to blow out the neck doing
> the
>  closed sinks around the head. This is especially embarrassing when it
> happens
>  during a teaching session.
>

This just proves to me that there must be an origami god out there somewhere!

;-)

Dee





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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 01:23:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: TrekDBob@aol.com
Subject: Bats in the belfry

Hi all!

There is a "Vampire Bat" in a book called "Horrorgami" (By Richard Saunders
and Brian Mackness ISBN0-8069-8481-3). It is kind of a cute book -- models
include a "Battle Ax" (and no, it is NOT someone's Mother-in-law), Cobra,
Dracula Mask, Flying Ghost, Grave, Grim Reaper, Spider (you have to use
scissors to get eight legs), The Undead, Vampire Bat, Warlock's Ring, and
Werewolf (there wolf... why are you talking like that? I don't know, I
thought YOU wanted to.)

All the models are kind of cute... nothing really SCARY... but all fun, and
probably simple enough to teach some of the neighborhood kids (or your own)
how to do them) A few of them require some cutting and/or gluing (the grave,
I think, and the werewolf, and the spider... )

I found it several years ago, but I have seen it since - usually about this
time of year (fancy that)

Dee





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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 01:23:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: TrekDBob@aol.com
Subject: Bats in the belfry

Hi all!

There is a "Vampire Bat" in a book called "Horrorgami" (By Richard Saunders
and Brian Mackness ISBN0-8069-8481-3). It is kind of a cute book -- models
include a "Battle Ax" (and no, it is NOT someone's Mother-in-law), Cobra,
Dracula Mask, Flying Ghost, Grave, Grim Reaper, Spider (you have to use
scissors to get eight legs), The Undead, Vampire Bat, Warlock's Ring,
Werewolf (there wolf... why are you talking like that? I don't know, I
thought YOU wanted to.)

All the models are kind of cute... nothing really SCARY... but all fun, and
probably simple enough to teach some of the neighborhood kids (or your own)
how to do them) A few of them require some cutting and/or gluing (the grave,
I think, and the werewolf, and the spider... )

I found it several years ago, but I have seen it since - usually about this
time of year (fancy that)

Dee





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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 10:48:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.COM>
Subject: Folding Crane (was: Re: Shared and Artistic Origami)

James Sakoda wrote:
[Elided lots of great stuff that I hope to reply to more substantively later.
    -dwp]

+gentle nun, the dignified owl.  Of the traditional Japanese folds the one
+which is most admired for its attractiveness is the folded crane (orizuru),
+which is folded precisely in a way which can be easily taught.

Interesting.  What is the traditional landmark for the reverse folds that make
the neck/head and tail segments reverse upwards?  Even more intriguing to me
is where the landmarks are for folding the head.  I have seen several diagrams
for the crane where the fold for the head seems to have no landmarks for
precise folding.

Thanks,
        -Doug





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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 12:00:47 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: The god of sinks....

TrekDBob@aol.com sez

>This just proves to me that there must be an origami god out there somewhere!

No god worth her salt would have created a closed sink.....

cheers!

Nick Robinson

Origami, Improvised Guitar, Web-site design!

email           nick@homelink.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/nick
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk
DART homepage   http://www.shef.ac.uk/~oip/dart/





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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:43:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: Doris.L@t-online.DE (Doris Lauinger)
Subject: Re: Leaves for a rose

Hello again,
the leaves are either created by Anik=F3 Huszka or Anik=F3 Kamenyiczk=
i (=3D K=E1lm=E1nn=E9=20
Kamenyiczki) both living in Ady Endre =FAt 21, 2890 Tata, Hungary.
Happy folding
Doris





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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 17:45:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: Tung Ken Lam <101655.153@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: The Kawasaki rose, again

>From: Richard of Foong <ryf@ecr.mu.oz.au>
>
>[snip] has anyone got any instructions to make a stem
>with leaves? I saw the stem for the rose in the origami ftp site, but i
>couldn't understand them. Has anyone tried them?

There's quite an effective flower with stem and leaves by David Collier in Eric
Kenneway's "Complete Origami"(p 63). The model consists of a iris flower head
into which a "utility leaf and stem" is inserted -- the stem can be used with
other flower heads that have a hole at the bottom.





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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 18:47:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: Brett Askinazi <askinazi@i1.net>
Subject: Re: The god of sinks....

>
> >This just proves to me that there must be an origami god out there
somewhere!
>
> No god worth her salt would have created a closed sink.....
>

Or the dreaded Unsink, guaranteed paper shredding maneuver.

Brett
askinazi@i1.net





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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 19:39:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jack & Emma Craib <gearhead@snet.net>
Subject: marbling

Hi,  I might have missed something but...
marbling, traditional marbling, does not use oil based pigments.  It
uses water based, finely ground equivalents of tempera paint (only a
much high ratio of pigment to filler than the tempera paints you find
under that name (if any filler).  You can also use acrylics, another
water based paint.  Marbling and suminagashi are very different in
"feel", both often beautiful in different ways.  Marbling does not
thicken paper...although one is tempted to start with thicker paper as
it is easier for a beginner to handle.   Try it, you'll like it.   Emma





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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 22:15:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pat Slider <slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us>
Subject: Re: marbling

At 07:40 PM 10/22/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Hi,  I might have missed something but...
>marbling, traditional marbling, does not use oil based pigments.

oh my. I thought it worked on the principle that oil and water don't mix? I
trust your Anne Chambers book as a top resource though. But perhaps
different people recommend different supplies? Or perhaps, as you hint, this
is a difference between modern marbling methods and traditional methods?
Paul Jackson specifies oil-based paint in his title "Make It With Paper"
(his method DOES include Ox gall), and I think I've seen someone on the web
that uses oil paint too (I think it is a page with a link from Joseph Wu's
site).

Glad to hear it doesn't thicken paper. I think I will have to add it to my
ever-growing list of things to try....Perhaps I'll get to it in '97 :->.

pat slider
slider@yosemite.net

p.s. The instructions for making paper and for marbling in the Paul Jackson
book are quite clear with nice color photos. Must say that "Make it With
Paper" is a nice book to have around. Plus it has a great origami section
(diagrams Yoshizawa's butterfly, Norminton's daffodil, and some other great
models). This section was originally published as his "Classic Origami" title.





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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 22:20:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: James_Sakoda@brown.edu (James M. Sakoda)
Subject: Re: Folding Crane (was: Re: Shared and Artistic Origami)

>James Sakoda wrote:
>[Elided lots of great stuff that I hope to reply to more substantively later.
>    -dwp]
>
>+gentle nun, the dignified owl.  Of the traditional Japanese folds the one
>+which is most admired for its attractiveness is the folded crane (orizuru),
>+which is folded precisely in a way which can be easily taught.
>
>Interesting.  What is the traditional landmark for the reverse folds that make
>the neck/head and tail segments reverse upwards?  Even more intriguing to me
>is where the landmarks are for folding the head.  I have seen several diagrams
>for the crane where the fold for the head seems to have no landmarks for
>precise folding.
>
>Thanks,
>        -Doug

Doug, You are right.  The general folding instructions for the crane is
fairly precise, but the final disposition of the head and the position of
the wings, and whether one blows it up or not can differ.  The folding of
the head is an inside reverse fold, but the length of the head can vary
from about 1/4 to 1/3 of the length of the point, and the angle at which it
ends up can also vary.  Many Japanese folders like to pull the wings apart
and fluff up the body a bit.  The crane has been used in many contexts,
such as being strung together in sembazuru (1000 crane) fashion, or part of
a box or decoration.  Through all these variations the basic folding
remains the same and the resulting creations seem to be accepted with their
minor variations.  James M. Sakoda





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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 23:09:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: zachary brown <zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu>
Subject: UPDATE: corrected diagrams on Underground Origami Page

The diagrams for the "ASS-C Seal of Approval" on the Underground
Origami Page have been updated by Earendil. A lighter color has been
used for better viewing and printing, and several spelling and
diagramming corrections have been made.

http://lynx.dac.neu.edu/home/httpd/z/zbrown/origami/underground

Zack





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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 00:54:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: Folding Crane (was: Re: Shared and Artistic Origami)

At 10:48 AM 10/22/96 -0300, Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com> wrote:

>Interesting.  What is the traditional landmark for the reverse folds that make
>the neck/head and tail segments reverse upwards?  Even more intriguing to me
>is where the landmarks are for folding the head.  I have seen several diagrams
>for the crane where the fold for the head seems to have no landmarks for
>precise folding.

I am not sure if it is the *official-traditional* landmark, but I have seen
a certain level of consistency on the placement of the tail/neck reverse
folds. I reverse them through as farr as possible, while ensuring that the
folded edges all line up. If I am not mistaken, this is a 22.5 degreee
angle. I have seen a bit of variation on the head placement, however, and
depending on the application, the wings are pulled out to varying degrees
(and sometimes the model is just left flat).

Marc





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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 10:49:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kristine Tomlinson <ktomlinson@platinum.com>
Subject: Various ...

Eric asked:

"Does anyone know who first came up with the closed sink?"

Humm, how about a plummer??

And speaking of origami gods, who needs them when we've got "kami"!

(Sorry, couldn't resist!  Maybe someone in a more serious mood could
answer your question?)

Kristine
ktomlinson@platinum.com





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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 11:28:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jean Villemaire <boyer@videotron.CA>
Subject: Re: Various ...

Kristine Tomlinson wrote:
>
> Eric asked:
>
> "Does anyone know who first came up with the closed sink?"
>
> Humm, how about a plummer??

How about a contortionist?

>
> And speaking of origami gods, who needs them when we've got "kami"!
>
> (Sorry, couldn't resist!  Maybe someone in a more serious mood could
> answer your question?)

I took this joke very seriousely!  I must confess I even felt a warm
breeze coming from my screen...
>
> Kristine
> ktomlinson@platinum.com





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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 11:31:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jean Villemaire <boyer@videotron.CA>
Subject: Re: Various ...

Kristine Tomlinson wrote:
>=20
> Eric asked:
>=20
> "Does anyone know who first came up with the closed sink?"
>=20
> Humm, how about a plummer??
>=20
> And speaking of origami gods, who needs them when we've got "kami"!
>=20
> (Sorry, couldn't resist!  Maybe someone in a more serious mood coul=
d
> answer your question?)
>=20
> Kristine
> ktomlinson@platinum.com

I just sent a reply. I forgot to sign:

Jean Villemaire,
Montr=E9al





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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 11:34:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jean Villemaire <boyer@videotron.CA>
Subject: Re: Leaves for a rose

Rachel Katz wrote:
>=20
> A lovely stem with two leaves can be created from a single bird bas=
e.
> Credit goes to a Central European folder whose first name I believe=
 is
> Annika. Perhaps someone can fill in the last name. She created it f=
or
> a tulip which I've modified for a rose.
>=20
> 1-Fold a bird base leaving one wing down.
>=20
> 2-Using the wing that is left down, Narrow  with a  kite fold.
>=20
> 3-Turn over.
>=20
> 4-Kite fold top flap from the top.
>=20
> 5-Spread squash fold made at step 4 forming small triangles.
>   (Beginners, don't sweat this one - read on)
>=20
> You've now basically completed the folding. For the rose, I pleat t=
he
> side pieces (leaves) then unfold and shape with partial inside reve=
rse
> folds to taste. You can kite fold to cover the spread squashes espe=
cially
> if you weren't too neat to begin with.
>=20
> This is a lovely model, If I wasn't clear, e-mail me for
> clarification.

Help!

>=20
> Rachel Katz
> Origami - it's not just for squares!Jean Villemaire,
Montr=E9al
boyer@videotron.ca





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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 15:58:56 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Dumb Question About the Archives

I'm sure this question has been answered many times, but how I go about
getting a comprehensive index of everything that's on the Origami archives?

Also, I've heard many references to Alex Barber's search engine on this list
- what is it and how do I use it?

Thanks everyone for your patience!

"Origami: Welcome to the Fold!"

Steve Woodmansee,
stevew@empnet.com





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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 19:20:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kristine Tomlinson <ktomlinson@platinum.com>
Subject: Nova program

Hi,

This message pertains mostly to U.S. readers ... last night public
broadcasting showed a Nova episode on redesigning the $100 bill (and
eventually lower denominations).

They spent a *lot* of time talking about the feel of the paper and how it is
made, and how the feel of the paper is the most critical indicator of
counterfit bills.  All I could think about while watching was these people
should be into folding, and wondering what new dollar folds will people
have to dream up to work around the new, enlarged Franklin portrait with
a smurk on his face. :-) (Not that I know anyone who folds $100 bills, but
I've got a notepad of oversized fake ones I use for money folds.)

If anyone's in the area and they rebroadcast, I recommend the show for
the paper discussions.  There are definitely a few kindred spirits (no
more kami jokes, I promise) in the Bureau of Printing and Engraving and at
Crane Paper.  (Gee, "crane" paper, huh?  Coincidence - you decide!).

Kristine
ktomlinson@platinum.com





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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 22:03:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: Michael & Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Dumb Question About the Archives

Steve Woodmansee wrote:
> Also, I've heard many references to Alex Barber's search engine on this list
> - what is it and how do I use it?

Alex Bateman has the search forms on his web page at:

http://www.mrc-cpe.cam.ac.uk/jong/agb/origami.html

You can search the archives of past messages on this list or the model index
     (Oriindex).  Just fill in a word
in the spot provided and hit the search button.

Janet Hamilton

--
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 22:17:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: Michael & Janet Hamilton <mikeinnj@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Shared and Artistic Origami

Jean Villemaire wrote:
> I a not quite sure to understand what you mean by "shared origami". (snip)
> Again, what is "artistic folding" ?

The distinction between shared and artistic folding, as I understand the
     discussion, was that shared folding
generally used exact landmarks and thus could be easily duplicated, whereas
     artistic folding relied on more
judgment folds and optional embellishments.  Of course, many people have
     pointed out that even models with
exact landmarks may become artistic due to choice of paper, folding method, or
     the decision by the folder to
ignore the landmarks or make other personal modifications.

Janet Hamilton

--
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 22:26:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: Oded Streigold <benjic@netvision.net.il>
Subject: RE: Dumb Question About the Archives

  Steve Woodmansee wrote:
>I'm sure this question has been answered many times, but how I go about
>getting a comprehensive index of everything that's on the Origami archives?
>
>Also, I've heard many references to Alex Barber's search engine on this list
>- what is it and how do I use it?
>
>....

 Alex Bateman has a search engine in the web.
 http://www.mrc-cpe.cam.ac.uk/jong/agb/origami.html

 You can search the archives of origami-l by entering one or two key words,
 like Kawasaki, rose.

 It's also possible to search the origami-l archive via Email.

 Here is part of a letter of Maarten van Gelder that expleins it:

I just updated the mail server software at the archives.
You now may search for messages using an expression. Here is the updated
part of the HELP information:

--------
   MESSAGES
      With this action you can query the archived mail for messages.
      You activate it with the command:

         MESSAGES  key

      MVG-MS returns all messages containing key in header or body.
      You may add an expression with more keys if you want:

         MESSAGES  key1 AND key2 OR key3

      MVG-MS returns all messages containing: (key1 AND key2) OR key3

      In building the expression you may use keywords and the special words
      AND, OR, and NOT, and also parentheses. Also the following characters
      are recognized as special (with there meaning):

         * AND      + OR      ! NOT

      To separate two 'words' you may use as many blanks as you like.
      The search (and the whole expression) is case insensitive.
      The precedence rule is simple: from left to right. So the next two
      expressions are the same:

         aaaa and bbbb or cccc
         (aaaa and bbbb ) or cccc
         AAAA AND BBBB OR CCCC
         aaaa*bbbb+cccc
--------
So send a message to:

   origami@ftp.rug.nl

with in the body your search command:

   MESSAGES  ...expression...

 Oded Streigold
 benjic@netvision.net.il





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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 22:31:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jean Villemaire <boyer@videotron.CA>
Subject: Re: Dumb Question About the Archives

Steve Woodmansee wrote:
>=20
> I'm sure this question has been answered many times, but how I go a=
bout
> getting a comprehensive index of everything that's on the Origami a=
rchives?

I don't know if this can help, but you can try the Origami Interest=
=20
Group by courtesy of Rijksuniversitat Groningen (RUG).  I found there=
=20
archives of their mail list, index of Origami models, complete book l=
ist,=20
models in different formats...  Their Web-site is:

=09ftp://ftp.rug.nl/origami/welcome.html

You can also send E-mail comments to:

=09M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl

>=20
> Also, I've heard many references to Alex Barber's search engine on =
this list
> - what is it and how do I use it?
>=20
> Thanks everyone for your patience!
>=20
> "Origami: Welcome to the Fold!"
>=20
> Steve Woodmansee,
> stevew@empnet.com

Jean Villemaire,
Montr=E9al
boyer@videotron.ca





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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 22:38:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: Slade Hikaru Shota <shota@hawaii.edu>
Subject: RE:Small Origami Cranes

Would anyone be interested in purchasing small origami cranes from my
mother?  The cranes are made out of paper 1/4-1/2 inches square.  The
crane also comes in a little bottle with a bell attached.  I think she
charges $5 with a small shipping fee.  If anyone is interested, please
contact her at:

                                Sho Creations
                                46-346 Kahuhipa St.
                                Kaneohe, HI. 96744

She probably can give you more info on how to order the crane.  The crane
also comes in a variety of colors.  Thank you.
