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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 00:47:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: abeshous@pitt.edu (Daniel Abeshouse)
Subject: Re: 4 Sonobe (was Re: 1000 uses for dimes & quarters?)

        Mea culpas all round. I am not sure how that cub- prefix got in
there but I should learn to use pronouns. Hawever, since it was there I got
to thinking. Using 24 sonobe units with the crease pattern:
--------
\  |  / \
 \ | /   \
  \|/     \
   ---------
        Just creasing one arm, and leaving the other flat, you could form a
cuboctohedron (This time I mean it - I hope). Sorry if this is a commonly
known form, this is the first time it occured to me. Actually, the square
faces, made from four of the uncreased arms meeting, would be correct for a
cuboctahedron, but the triangular faces would have a pyramid sunk into the
face. It would resemble the butterfly ball (nice tie in, eh?). I suppose
you could put the pyramid coming out of the face, but it would be flush
with the square faces and you would get a cube instead. Crease pattern:
--------
\  |    \
 \ |     \
  \|      \
   ---------
        I'm half way through putting together one (first crease pattern).
It's a little flimsy, but may get stronger as it grows. Let me know if
anyone has any luck creating such a beast, and please point out any brain
lapses I have in this missive, they seem to help my creative thinking.

        Errantly,
        Daniel

At 2:12 AM 9/27/96, Steve Arlow wrote:
>abeshous@pitt.edu (Daniel Abeshouse) writes:
>>
>>At 2:56 AM 9/19/96, Steve Arlow wrote:
>    ^^^^^^^ ('swhat I get...)
>>>ObOrigami:  I constructed the two-intersecting-squares shape from
>>>            four Sonobe modules that someone mentioned here
>>>            recently.  (Its outline forms a cube, so there is
>>>            such almost a thing as a 4-unit cube after all!)  I
>>>            notice that this is sort of an action fold [...]
>>
>>        I may be mistaken, but what you're describing sounds more like an
>>octahedron than a cube
>
>I stand corrected...
>
>>                       (its dual).
>
>..on both counts.  :)
>
>>                                      The edges of all three (mutually
>>perpendicular) squares will be the edges of a cuboctahedron.
>                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>But you got it wrong here.  :)  :P
>
>  -- Steve
>
>--
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> It was such a howlable moon.  But I           |  39336 Polo Club Dr. #103,
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 00:56:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: Richard of Foong <ryf@ecr.mu.oz.au>
Subject: Re: Mount Fuji and The Sea by Seiryo Takekawa

On Sun, 29 Sep 1996, Greg Cymbalist wrote:

> Speaking of selling origami, there is a store here in Toronto which sells
> a variety of paper and a few origami models.  One item on display was a
> dragon, similar to ones I've seen in Montrolls' books.  However, it was
> priced at $60!.  Doesnt' this seem a bit ridiculous? Can someone explain
> to me how a model might be worth so much..?
> -Greg

Well, Origami is priceless, but someone seems to be putting a price on it.
:)

Richard Foong





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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 01:26:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: marckrsh@nyc.pipeline.com (Marc Kirschenbaum)
Subject: Re: Origami For Sale

On Sep 30, 1996 00:31:08, 'Greg Cymbalist <ae565@freenet.toronto.on.ca>'
wrote:

>
>What I am really wondering is; if I fold an origami design I've learned
from a
>book, am I allowed to sell it?  Am I supposed to give some credit to the
>designer of the model?  Origami is very different from other art forms in
this
>way; if I were a painter, I would not be able to reproduce the work of Da

>Vinci; however, as an origamist I can reproduce the work of Lang, etc.
>Therfore, I am wondering what this implies as far as legal matters, (or at

>least respect for the designers) goes.  I have seen models for sale which
were
>obviously designs of Montroll, Brill, etc, and were obviously folded by
someone
>else and I am wondering if this is okay...

>From a legal standpoint, it is okay, but (to be in line with the policy of
OrigamiUSA), it is more ethical to contact the creator first. As to the
reproduction of other forms of art, I would have to dissagre with you on
that point. I have been able to create approximations of various famous
paintings, and if a paint-by-numbers kit were available, I just might fool
some people into thinking I am a Miro' or Calder. This thread was discussed
thourouly a few months ago; you might want to check the archives with
keywords such as *legal* and *sell.*

Marc





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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 02:15:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: Laurie Bisman <lbisman@sirranet.co.nz>
Subject: RE: One less female origamist (was Re: Criticisms etc...)

        Marc Kirschenbaum wrote...........

On Sep 29, 1996 05:38:33, 'Laurie Bisman <lbisman@sirranet.co.nz>' wrote:

>Oh, and just one last SMALL detail - in the words of the doctor who
delivered
>me "It's a BOY"

.have to admit ignorance on that one as well. It has always upset me when
.eat women origamists such as Patricia Craford leave the art, there are so
.w of them as it is. I did remember your works from the Harbin books (that
.*tank* of yours was kinda neet), so I thought it was great to see there
is
.still an active woman origami designer out there. It looks like I was
wrong
.about your gender after all this time. I have to admit it is a slight
.letdown, but for that matter, there are not too many male origami
.designers either.

slightly off topic of origami but regarding gender (because of my name a
lot of people, especially americans, assume me to be female).

Some years ago, I had many dealings with a software firm in Canada.
Correspondence was always addressed to Ms Laurie Bisman. I didn't mind
(lots of my mail is like that) and had no reason to correct them.

Something came up and required me to telephone them, when I said to the
person I had been corresponding with that I was Laurie Bisman, there was a
stunned silence for some time, followed by, 'boy your voice is a deal lower
than I had thought' - we both had a bit of a laugh about it.

I'm glad you enjoyed the tank. (one of my earlier 3D's) - my favourite 3D
is a rabbit popping out of a top hat - 3D (but not from a square
unfortunately), I haven't made one for some time now and usually used a
foil paper with black tissue stuck on before folding to achieve the
rigidity and colour required. The rabbit is the reverse side of the foil
(usually white). The drawings are probably in the BOS archives somewhere.

Laurie Bisman
lbisman@sirranet.co.nz





Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:12:41 -0300 (ADT)
From: Valerie Vann <75070.304@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re:  "Quick & Easy Origami Boxes" Question

Q&E is a good English introduction to
Fuse's simpler boxes (square, triangular), but
would add little if anything for someone who
has some of the Japanese language box books and
the "regular" English one. Get the OUSA Supply
Center price list, and get another Fuse Japanese
book that you don't have instead.

--valerie
Valerie Vann
75070.304@compuserve.com





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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:27:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Lauinger,p15" <Lauinger@06.bonn02.telekom400.dbp.de>
Subject: Origami flowers

Some very nice origami flowers are always in the ORU
magazines.
Origami flowers also can be found in "Wild Flowers" by
Momotani (this book is published in Japanese and I don't
know if there is an English version).
Or "Origami Bloemen" (Origami flowers) by Evelien Tiggelar
in Dutch and German.

I'm now in my office therefore I don't any further
information, so you have to wait until tomorrow for ISBN.

Happy flower folding

Doris





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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 14:39:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Bill McFarland <billmcfa@clark.net>
Subject: Re: AYYYMEN! + "Quick & Easy Origami Boxes" Question

"Quick and Easy Origami Boxes" has a couple of square boxes, two
partitions for them, two triangle boxes and two hexagonal boxes.  But
from the books you have I do not think you will gain much if anything
by this purchase.

Hope this helps,
Bill

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 14:46:31 -0300 (ADT)
From: Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com
Subject: Re: how popular or not popular IS origami???

Jack Thomas Weres asked (among other things):
> 1. how many people have HEARD of origami???
> 2. how many people have folded at least one origami model
>    in their lifetime???

For a particular individual, the answer to #1 could be "What's
origami?" while the answer to #2 is "I have folded paper
airplanes, cootie catchers, gum wrapper chain,  and/or
paper footballs." (cootie catchers <=> fortune tellers)

In the states, at least, the answer to #2 must be considerably
higher than the answer to #1. An interesting result.

Lisa
Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com





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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 14:56:42 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sheila Davis <sew@hpfisew.fc.hp.com>
Subject: Re: Relaxing Origami

Pamela Graben writes:
> Thus through involuntary scientific method I
> deduce that I folded better when relaxed, and folding is in itself not a
> good stress reliever.

        :-)  I was going to write something similar.  I find that repetitive
        folds that many advocate as relaxing for them are not in the least
        relaxing for me.  The reason for this is that the folding does not
        occupy my mind, so having nothing better to do, my mind starts to drift
        to the subject that is stressing me and I start to get...very...tense
        (said with appropriately gritted teeth :-).  I'm much more relaxed
        by something thoroughly distracting like television.

        On the other hand, origami is wonderful for occupying my hands
        where my brain is otherwise engaged--in church, during lectures,
        or as I've mentioned before, during the off-periods of roleplaying
        games.  That sort of repetitive folding does relax me as it
        keeps my hands moving and thus helps avoid feeling antsy, but
        I can still listen and pay attention to what's happening in the
        activity.
Regards,

  Sheila Davis        Hewlett-Packard IC Business Division
 sew@hpfisew.fc.hp.com          Fort Collins, Colorado





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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 15:45:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: casida@ere.umontreal.ca (Casida Mark)
Subject: Re: Failed Origami (was Re: origami sightings)

We call crumpling up paper into a ball, "folding a snowball."  Evidently
that is going to depend on the color of the paper.

                                   ... Mark

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 16:26:07 -0300 (ADT)
From: Lisa_Hodsdon@hmco.com
Subject: Re: origami sightings

The other night, I saw an NBC station identification spot
in which the NBC "folded" itself into a peacock. If I didn't
have origami-on-the-brain, it might not have looked like
folding paper, but I think that it was intended to look like
origami.

Lisa





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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 20:14:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@homelink.demon.co.UK>
Subject: frustrate/relax

Doug Philips <dwp+@transarc.com> sez

>I'd like to echo what a few other people have said about some models being
>more frustrating than relaxing

I think it depends on how familiar you are with the folding sequence.
Once you have a design well and truly "in your head", you can relax and
enjoy the precision and comforting familiarity of each move. I'd suggest
it's difficult to relax with any design that you don't (literally!) know
backwards.

all the best,

Nick Robinson
email           nick@homelink.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/nick
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
DART homepage   http://www.shef.ac.uk/uni/projects/oip/dart/index.html
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk





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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 20:27:31 -0300 (ADT)
From: Pat Slider <slider@ims.mariposa.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Origami flowers

>Or "Origami Bloemen" (Origami flowers) by Evelien Tiggelar
>in Dutch and German.

A Dutch book...yea! I've been thinking that this list has seen few book
reviews of the Dutch and German titles. And now they seem available through
BookServe.com....So would anyone care to recommend some more Dutch and
German titles? I, for one, would be quite interested to hear about them.

pat slider
slider@yosemite.net





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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 20:52:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: Nick Robinson <nick@homelink.demon.co.uk>
Subject: One more female origamist!

Marc Kirschenbaum <marckrsh@nyc.pipeline.com> sez

> so I thought it was great to see there is
>still an active woman origami designer out there. It looks like I was wrong
>about your gender after all this time.

I had the same problem with Campbell Morris, author(ess) of several
Origami books down under (one of which, I gather, has sold over 100,000
copies!) - when she came to the BOS convention recently, we discovered
he was a she called Carmel.

BTW, the last time I saw a picture of her, Laurie had a large bushy
black beard ;)

all the best,

Nick Robinson
email           nick@homelink.demon.co.uk
homepage        http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/nick
BOS homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk/bos/
DART homepage   http://www.shef.ac.uk/uni/projects/oip/dart/index.html
RPM homepage    http://www.rpmrecords.co.uk





Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 21:44:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: Laurie Bisman <lbisman@sirranet.co.nz>
Subject: RE: One more female origamist!

Thanks Nick, but it is now very short and not so black (unfortunately)....
BTW, the last time I saw a picture of her, Laurie had a large bushy
black beard ;)

Laurie Bisman
lbisman@sirranet.co.nz





Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 21:50:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: Emma&Jack Craib <gearhead@snet.net>
Subject: ad for "origami" clothes

Hi everyone,
  (Please excuse me if this is a repeat notice, as I have just rejoined
the list after quite awhile away.)
   Check out page 84 in the current issue of Metropolis.  There is an ad
for a line of clothes that can be folded in many ways to vary their
appearance...and it is named Origami.
Actually, the hype goes "Origami: the ultimate convertible", and the ad
itself is meant to be cut from the page and folded so that the graphics
line up and make more sense.
  For a catalog, (for all you collectors ori-ephemera) send email to
artefact1@aol.com .
It's good to be back! and to the kind people who folded origami models
for the "museum" in my elementary school I want to tell you that the kids
are _still_ blown away by the T-rex model and fascinated by the dollar
bill fold and all the other fun stuff. You really are influencing
hundreds of little origami nuts.
  Thanks again,   Emma Craib

Emma & Jack Craib  gearhead@snet.net





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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 22:06:01 -0300 (ADT)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Re: One more female origamist!

>BTW, the last time I saw a picture of her, Laurie had a large bushy
>black beard ;)

        I knew another guy named Laurie, from Canada.  I must assume that
the confusion here stems mostly from we Americans:  Laurie, apparently, is
a perfectly acceptable male name in the more traditional English system of
Canada/Britain/Australia/New Zealand, but has either died out or never made
it in the U.S.  I've also known guys named Stacey and Claire, so I hope
I've learned my lesson about assuming genders from a name!  8-S

Jerry D. Harris                       (214) 768-2750
Dept. of Geological Sciences          FAX:  (214) 768-2701
Southern Methodist University         jdharris@post.smu.edu
Box 750395                            (CompuServe:  73132,3372)
Dallas  TX  75275-0395

"Tyrannosaurs, though rarely seen, are certainly still around.
And no one knows just where or when the next one will be found."

                                  -- Calvin (aka Bill Watterson)
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                             /'''\/:::\/'''/:\
                         .---_'''/:::::\''/:::\----.
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 22:43:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: Kim Best <Kim.Best@m.cc.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: Art, Origami, and the future

On Sun, 29 Sep 1996, james white wrote:

>
> An excellant thought provoking message Zack.
>
> Hard to believe you're the same person who a few days ago was touting a
> "seal with a big erection".
> I suppose erotica is in the eye of the beholder. B-)
>
>

I was going to be silent on this one, but I feel a bit uncomfortable
having Zack take the heat for something I did...

So I confess.  The creator of the seal in question was me, using a
psuedonym.  I originally created it for someone else as a joke.  When I
saw Zack's Origami Underground site, I thought it would be the perfect
place to post it and make it available for those who would understand
it's intent.  I was never intended to be erotic, just humorous for those
in on the joke.

But to be honest, I was superised to see Zack post the discription so
openly on origami-l.  But how he described it, is precisely what it is!
Frankly, I'm impressed with his openness and honesty.  I completely agree
with him when he asserts that if we want to call origami an ART, we
cannot limit it in regard to any part of life.

And one more thing.  So Nick, you think my model is a "tacky waste of space"?
Well, I wouldn't even want to begin to describe the action mechanism, of
your offering to Zack's site, to this group! :-)
(In case the smiley didn't make it clear, I was just kidding.  Don't want
to start any more fights...)

Kim Best                            *******************************
                                    * I know just how Laurie feels*
Rocky Mountain Cancer Data System   * I'm male too.               *
420 Chipeta Way #120                *                             *
Salt Lake City, Utah  84108         *******************************





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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 23:54:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: Basyrett@aol.com
Subject: Re: Model request

Hello all!
I have a special request I would like to make of the group.
I teach language impaired elementary age children in a wonderful, brand new
school, located right on the ocean in Queens NY.  Since we are so near the
ocean (ocean view from the classroom :-)  our theme this year is "the ocean".
 My students have been very busy making an origami ocean, complete with fish
and boats, for our bulletin board.  We would like to establish a display of
things that are associated with the ocean.
If you have any models that you would like to share with my class and our
beautiful school please send them to :
PS43Q
160 Beach 29th Street
Far Rockaway, NY 11691
We will be recording where the models came from for Social Studies and
writing thank yous as part of our written language program.  Thanks for your
assistance.  I hope you will enjoy participating in our project as much as we
are!
Thanks to all.  :-)Barbara





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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 00:07:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: MJNAUGHTON@amherst.edu
Subject: Sonobe Snake, etc.

In response to my posting about the Sonobe module, Carol Hall wrote:

> You are right, the "snake" I
> learned from your class at a convention some years ago.  I don't recall you
> claiming the design at the time, but my memory can be faulty so I'm pleased
> to give you credit now!

Thank you! I doubt I made a big deal of it at the time, but with increasing
attention to "proper attribution", especially on this list, I thought I'd set
the record straight. In general, I agree completely with giving credit where
credit is due, but I hope this trend doesn't cause folders to avoid sharing
models they like for fear of offending "the creator" somewhere.

> (My notes on the 'snake' are hand-written in the
> margins of your handout - have you included it in subsequent versions?)

Yes, I have. Anyone interested may get them from me by sending a SASE to me at
PO Box 239, Lake Pleasant, MA, 01347. A regular 32-cent stamp will get either
my "Sonobe Crease Patterns" or the "Snake" diagrams; 55 cents of postage will
get you the entire handout (both of the above, plus lots more. If you can, I'd
appreciate $1 for copying, since that's what they cost me (I spent over $100
on copying handouts for the last Convention!). More, of course, from those who
think I should become rich from my creativity! ;-) I believe you are right that
an early version of "Crease Patterns" is in the 1991 Annual.

(for those who don't know, one of the neat things about the "snake" is that
it will coil up to look like the 12-piece stellated octahedron)

> So here is a question regarding credit: if we make a modular masterpiece
> built of these units, what should we say regarding the originator?  If it is
> a 6-unit cube, Sonobe; a 3-unit jewel, Takahama?  And what of the infinite
> other variations?  Should someone want to obtain permission from the creator
> for whatever reason, who to ask?

These are all excellent questions, and I'm not sure there are easy answers. My
opinion is that Sonobe should be credited with the 6-piece cube, and Takahama
with the 3-piece jewel. For other popular Sonobe modulars, I think the answers
are less clear - I learned the 12-piece stellated octahedron at the Home Office,
but I figured out the 30-piece stellated icosahedron all by myself (of course,
I wasn't the first to do this!). Especially with modulars, I think understanding
the geometry leads inevitably to certain conclusions, and often models are not
so much "created" as "discovered" (or even "demonstrated"). In this way, they
may be different from some of the highly individualistically creative work done
in some other areas of origami. One implication of this is that a particular
model may be "discovered" by more than one person independently, and it may be
pure historical accident - rather than inherent creative superiority - that
causes person A's discovery to precede person B's.

Others may disagree, but I think the best practical answer is to make reasonable
efforts to inform yourself and always to try to give credit where credit is due,
but not to let ignorance or uncertainty stop you from teaching and sharing
     models
you like. I think the truth will out eventually, and the only real sin is to
intentionally mislead or misrepresent. As for the Sonobe module specifically, I
would like to know the answer myself - I have no idea whom to ask for permission
regarding these models. I have been teaching and handing out my diagrams at the
FOCA Conventions for years now, and no one has ever suggested that I have been
doing anything inappropriate, but in all honesty I don't know if that means that
I haven't been. I suppose I could write to Japan - if I knew where to write - to
find out what I could, but I really don't know where to start. Any suggestions?

Mike Naughton





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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 03:21:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: Douglas Zander <dzander@solaria.sol.net>
Subject: Re: Model request

<edited>
> Hello all!
> I have a special request I would like to make of the group.
[send] things that are associated with the ocean.
> Thanks to all.  :-)Barbara
>

Barbara, is there a time limit to send the models?  I can make a lot
of things if I had the time.  Also, how about size limitations?  I think
your class should have a *large* whale.  :-)

--
 Douglas Zander          | editor of GAMES Player's Zine (GPZ)
 dzander@solaria.sol.net | a fanzine about GAMES Magazine (tm)





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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 03:35:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Lauinger,p15" <Lauinger@06.bonn02.telekom400.dbp.de>
Subject: Origami Flowers

Here are some Origami flowers books:

1. Origami Wild Flowers (Japanese)
by Yoshihide Momotani, published in 1995, ISBN
4-900747-03-3, price 1,300 Yen

2. Early Spring Flowers of Origami (Japanese)
by Y. and S. Momotami, published in 1995, ISBN
4-416-39506-X, price 1,200 Yen

3. Origami - Blumen aus Papier (German)
by Everdien Tiggelaar, published in 1991, ISBN
3-88746-267-X

Original title "Origami Thema's - Bloemen" (Dutch),
published in 1987.

Hope I could help you - happy folding

Doris





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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 05:00:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: Maarten van Gelder <M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl>
Subject: Statistics on member list

A short overview of the member list obtained from the listserver.

The listserver can send you the list of subscribers.  That list contains all
addresses of members that didn't conceal themselves.  Also you get the
numbers of subscribed members and members in the list: the difference is the
number of concealed members.  As you may see one did indeed conceal him/her
self; is it an Origami spy?  Maybe a job for the Origami detectives ...

Each month I fetch that list, reformat it (by an automat) and put the new
version in the archives (directory lists).  This list contains an overview of
the number of members per country/net and the total list three times: sorted
by name, country and IP address.

The overview below is sorted by continent.  As you see most members are in
North America, the next continent is Europe and finally none in Africa.  I
think this reflects more the spread and availability of the Internet than the
amount of people doing Origami.

Per continent:

        1    concealed
        0    Africa
      347    North America
        5    South America
       14    Asia
        8    Australia
       55    Europe
      ---+
      430    total

Per country:

      347    North America
    21   CA        Canada
   179   COM       Commercial
    73   EDU       Educational
     3   GOV       Government
     1   MX        Mexico
    55   NET       Network
     7   ORG       Non-Profit Organization
     8   US        United States

        5    South America
     2   AR        Argentina
     3   BR        Brazil

       14    Asia
     1   HK        Hong Kong
     3   IL        Israel
     4   JP        Japan
     1   KR        Korea (South)
     1   MY        Malaysia
     4   SG        Singapore

        8    Australia
     6   AU        Australia
     2   NZ        New Zealand

       55    Europe
     1   BE        Belgium
     6   DE        Germany
     2   ES        Spain
     3   FI        Finland
     8   FR        France
     1   GR        Greece
     1   HR        Croatia
     6   IT        Italy
     5   NL        Netherlands
     3   NO        Norway
     1   PT        Portugal
    18   UK        United Kingdom

Maarten van Gelder,           Rekencentrum RuG,  RijksUniversiteit Groningen
M.J.van.Gelder@rc.rug.nl                         Nederland





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Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 06:17:41 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steven Casey <scasey@enternet.com.AU>
Subject: Re: One more female origamist!

Nick Robinson wrote:

>I had the same problem with Campbell Morris, author(ess) of several
>Origami books down under (one of which, I gather, has sold over 100,000
>copies!) - when she came to the BOS convention recently, we discovered
>he was a she called Carmel.
>
>BTW, the last time I saw a picture of her, Laurie had a large bushy
>black beard ;)
>
>
>all the best,
>
>Nick Robinson

In 1988 I drove up to Queensland to Expo 88 and on the way I call in to see
Campbell Morris who lives in Sydney. But I now I'm really confused because
the person I met was a *male*. I even have a signed copy of the book
"Aussiegami" signed by Campbell( I think ).
Recently I saw a copy of "Advanced Paper Aircraft Construction" which had
the name Carmel Morris instead of Campbell Morris, which I thought was a
mistake.

"Aussiegami" was authored by By Campbell Morris along with Richard Saunders
and Brian Mackness, If their on the list maybe they could enlighten us!

"Aussigami" contained instructions for fifth-teen models, with Australian
themes like a Kangaroo, Kookaburra, Koala, and the Sydney Opera House.

Steven Casey,





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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 12:01:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: Donald Bindner <don@alpha.math.uga.edu>
Subject: map folding

Can anyone tell me where I might find some information on
map-folds.  I have been told that they are difficult, but
I am very interested in learning anyway.

Don Bindner





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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 14:03:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: Sheila Davis <sew@hpfisew.fc.hp.com>
Subject: Re: One more female origamist!

Jerry D. Harris writes:
> Laurie, apparently, is
> a perfectly acceptable male name in the more traditional English system of
> Canada/Britain/Australia/New Zealand, but has either died out or never made
> it in the U.S.
>
        Laurie used to be a readily identifiable male name in the U.S.
        also.  The main male protagonist of "Little Women" (set during
        the US Civil War ~1860) was named Laurie, and he was quite
        the heart throb.  :-)

Regards,

  Sheila Davis        Hewlett-Packard IC Business Division
 sew@hpfisew.fc.hp.com          Fort Collins, Colorado





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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 14:19:01 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jeannine Mosely <j9@concentra.com>
Subject: Festival Report

I returned Sunday night from the South Eastern Origami Festival in
Charlotte, but have not had time until now to make any report to this
list.

It's hard to know what to say beyond "it was great!"  The giant T-Rex
was astonishing, and its younger cousin was impressive, too.  The
team that built the big dinosaur had to practice first on smaller
models, and there was a 6 foot high Tyrannosaur on display at a paper
goods store.  The flock of giant peace cranes were hung in a stunning
space, an arched, glassed in vault, so that they appeared to be flying
off into the sky.  Eric Joisel's masks defy description.  And the
works of Mr. Yoshizawa were everything you would expect.

I got up at 4AM on Saturday to catch a 6AM flight from Boston to
Charlotte.  I arrived just after 8AM and took a taxi straight to the
Charlotte Library where I had to wait around to register.  I was
nervous because my ticketing priority number was naturally very high,
and I was afraid I wouldn't be able to get into any of the classes I
wanted.  But the organizers had classified Mr. Yoshizawa's classes as
"Advanced", and since he had no models in the class "Model Menu", many
beginners did not ask for his classes and I was lucky enough to get
tickets for two, one on Saturday morning and the other on Sunday
afternoon.  We did not fold anything very difficult, and much of what
we did fold is diagrammed in his books (though not the top, and he
gave us diagrams!), but the experience of learning it from the master
was not to be missed.  Just watching his hands as he manipulated the
paper was a revelation to me.  And in the Sunday class, he gave us all
a piece of his own special hand-made paper to work with.

I also had the pleasure of folding some (as yet) unpublished dollar
bill animals with John Montroll on Saturday, and crumpling paper with
Paul Jackson on Sunday.

A high point of the festival came Saturday evening at the Origami
Fashion Show.  Many people showed off jewerly, hats, vests, etc. and I
certainly thought we had a winner when Mrs. Yoshizawa came in wearing
an exquisite paper kimono.  But Mr. Yoshizawa followed soon after and
stole the show when he capered in wearing an origami Santa suit!

There's so much to tell, but I have to get back to work now, so I'll
let some of the other attendees tell more.

        -- Jeannine Mosely





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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 14:37:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: dzimm@comedy.widget.com (Dave Zimmerman)
Subject: Re: Festival Report

from 'Jeannine Mosely'
>
> It's hard to know what to say beyond "it was great!"

That it was.

>
>                                                           Sunday
> afternoon.  <Yoshizawa>

I would loved to have met you. I was the tall bearded chap sitting
nbext to Joseph Wu in the middle. Where were you?

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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 14:50:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Re: Failed Origami (was Re: origami sightings)

At 06:13 PM 9/28/96 -0300, you wrote:
>>i know there's been previous postings stating
>>names for failed origami
>>
>>how about putting together our own
>>"Top Ten Sayings When Folding Origami Fails" ???
>
How about "Ori-goners"?

"Origami: Welcome to the Fold!"

Steve Woodmansee,
stevew@empnet.com





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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 14:54:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: kkinney@med.unc.edu (Kevin Kinney)
Subject: SEOF Thoughts

Darn, Jeannine beat me to the punch!

I figured one of the advantages of living in Charlotte would be that I
could get my thoughts on the SE Origami Festival out immediately, but
imagine my annoyance when I find that my e-mail access got screwed up
monday morning!

The Festival was the first of its sort that I've been to, and I had a
blast.  I attended many of the same classes Jeannine did (2 by Yoshizawa,
and one by Montroll), plus one by Joseph Wu, where we tried to make a
fabulous flying dragon (and I've still got to go back and finish that).

I'll second Jeannine's opinions on attending Yoshizawa's classes.  They
were lots of fun, and I wouldn't have missed them for the world, even
though my preference is for things a lot more complex than what he showed
us.  The top alone was worth it.  That and seeing the 80-something Master
run back and forth to demonstrate the pinwheel.

(Parenthetical aside:  Monday morning, once I found I couldn't e-mail, I
got to thinking about the top.  I was so stimulated by it that I've now
created two tops of my own.  The first looks virtually identical to Mr.
Yoshizawa's, but uses a completely different folding pattern, and the
second is a bit more of a solid structure.  Also, anyone with the
Yoshizawa diagrams:  try it with foil.  The resulting spin is much better
than with kami)

The Dollar Bill animals (Montroll) were great.  Straightforward and easy to
follow directions, as I've found to be the hallmark of Montroll diagrams.
I can't wait for them to appear in book form, so that I can do them again.

(One of the ones I tried was a rhinoceros.  A woman coming in to the next
class wanted to *buy* my model!  With the creator sitting two chairs away!
 Unbelievable. (I gave her the model))

Tied to do a little shopping, but all of the books I wanted were sold out.
 I'll have to order them

(Oh, by the way:  whoever was looking for flower folds:  OUSA carries a
book called "Garden Folds" which has a few nifty flowers, as well as other
plants, in it.  It's in their catalog.  It's one of the ones I'm going to
order)

The stuff on displat was incredible, from the 18-foot T. Rex, down to the
4-inch version of the same.  Michael LaFosse's models blew me away.  He
had a leopard frog that was simply amazing (and this from someone who's
looked at more frogs that anybody should), but there were many, many
others, so many that I didn't even get to see a sizable portion of them.

(the drawback to being local was that I had other things I had to be doing
that weekend, so I missed many of the social and informal events.  Oh Well.)

Well, back to work.

(Or maybe I'll go try Wu's dragon again)

Kevin Kinney
kkinney@med.unc.edu





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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 15:00:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Re: origami flowers

At 01:44 PM 9/29/96 -0300, you wrote:
(Snip)...When I was in the hospital once and couldn't wear my glasses for
>several days, I folded flowers for the nurses and fellow patients. Every
>flower was a bit different. (I can't remember now what I used for stems.)
>Karen
>
I did the same thing, having been hospitalized several times during the last
year.  I did a variety of flowers (Gay Merrill Gross (sp?), Isao Honda and
others) and presented them in Tomoko Fuse boxes.  Perhaps there's no
connection but I was allowed to wear my own pajama's (instead of the very
revealing standard-issue hospital gown) and received chocolate shakes with
my dinner instead of juice!

"Origami: Welcome to the Fold!"

Steve Woodmansee,
stevew@empnet.com





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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 15:16:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Steve Woodmansee <stevew@empnet.com>
Subject: Re: Festival Report

At 02:19 PM 10/1/96 -0300, you wrote:
>
>
>I returned Sunday night from the South Eastern Origami Festival in
>Charlotte...(snip)...Just watching his hands as he manipulated the
>paper was a revelation...

This would make a fascinating thread.  Could you describe what was so unique
about Yoshizawa's hand movements?  I've taken for granted that everyone
creases and folds using fairly similar techniques.  I'd love to hear more
about how a master does it - is the paper anchored differently?  Does he
fold in the air or on a surface?  Please tell!

"Origami: Welcome to the Fold!"

Steve Woodmansee,
stevew@empnet.com





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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:46:43 -0300 (ADT)
From: hull@MATH.URI.EDU
Subject: Re: Festival Report

Hi everybody!  I had a wonderful time at the 2nd Southeastern Origami Festival
too.  Comments to follow:

Jeannine writes:

> A high point of the festival came Saturday evening at the Origami
> Fashion Show.... and I certainly thought we had a winner when
> Mrs. Yoshizawa came in wearing an exquisite paper kimono.

        Actually, that was June Sakamoto of New Jersey, who is good
friends with Yoshizawa-san and was given the honor of sporting the
wonderful kimono.

> Eric Joisel's masks defy description.

        That's an understatement!  Most of us had never seen Mr. Joisel's
(of France) work before, and, as Joseph Wu put it, "Drool, drool drool..."
First of all, Joisel is clearly a master of origami sculpture - not
just folding, but being able to breathe life into a model.  He had
a bull and some cartoonish rats that were absolutely bursting with
** character **!  Then there were his masks, or rather, they were origami
portraits!  At first glance you could tell that he uses some of the
standard techniques for making such origami -- folding pleats so that
things like eyes and a mouth can be "pulled out".  HOWEVER, what I
thought set his portraits apart by light years was his use of ** curved
creases ** to represent hair, lips and facial expression.  Any of you
who have tried folding curved creases (i.e., creases that are not straight
lines) know very well that they are NOT very easy to do!  But Mr. Joisel
seems to use them like painter with a brush.  Of course, pictures
are what is needed here.  Perhaps some will appear soon on a web page?

        There was something else that set this Origami Festival apart
from all other origami conventions/gatherings that I had been to in the
past, and I think it represents a true evolution in the concept of
"origami convention".  To the point, this was NOT a convention!
The organizer, Jonathan "too much energy for a mere mortal" Baxter of
Charlotte insists on calling it a Festival for the following reason:
his whole strategy is to (1) get as many origami experts and teachers
down to Charlotte as he can and then (2) send them out to local
Charlotte high schools, colleges, museums etc., in order to generate
interest in origami and the Festival.  This all takes place during the
week before the "Festival weekend", where actual "convention-type" origami
classes are take place on Sat. & Sun. at the focal library site.
It wasn't just an origami convention!  It was more of an attempt to
invite origami to come to Charlotte and act as a catalyst.
        For example, I arrived in Charlotte late on Thursday.  For Friday
Jonathan had "booked" me to give two origami-math lectures/workshops
at a local high school and at nearby Davidson College.  During both
events I brought heaps of paper, got the audience involved in folding,
and advertived the other events of the Festival.  As a result,
over 50 Charlotte high school kids and 30 Davidson College students
have been exposed to joys (IMHO) of origami-math.
        So you see why this was so much more than a convention?  It was
an agressive attempt to expose a whole city to origami madness!  Wheee!
        Any other comments?

--------- Tom "lite my fire" Hull
          hull@math.uri.edu





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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:53:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: rita <rstevens@philly.infi.net>

Sorry to the individual who visited Philadelphia last week (besides the
weather, of course) regarding paper sources.  Below is the address for an
art supply shop that carries a nice (?) selection of paper.  No books
though.  A good source of books is Borders between 17th & 18th Sts. on
Walnut St.

Charrette
2020 Chestnut Street
Philadelphia, PA
(215) 563-5600

They have some origami paper, including packs of 100 large size (9 inches I
think) and printed/foil paper.  They are located about 4 blocks west and two
blocks *NORTH* of Taws (between 15th and 16th streets on Walnut Street).
Both are art supply stores.  I also believe that Art Emporium in Willow
Grove Mall, Willow Grove, PA  has a limited supply.

Hope this was useful.

Rita Stevens





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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 20:57:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: imcarrie@actrix.gen.nz (Ian Carrie)
Subject: Re: map folding

>Can anyone tell me where I might find some information on
>map-folds.  I have been told that they are difficult, but
>I am very interested in learning anyway.
>
>Don Bindner

Eric Kenneway's "Complete Origami" has a section on map folding (pp106 -
107 in my edition).

Cheers

Ian Carrie





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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 22:07:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: Bill Hall <billhall@computek.net>
Subject: Re: One more female origamist!

Jerry D. Harris wrote:
> I must assume that
> the confusion here stems mostly from we Americans:  Laurie, apparently, is
> a perfectly acceptable male name in the more traditional English system of
> Canada/Britain/Australia/New Zealand, but has either died out or never made
> it in the U.S.  I've also known guys named Stacey and Claire, so I hope
> I've learned my lesson about assuming genders from a name!  8-S

My wife had an uncle named Beverly. But that, too, is unusual for the
U.S.

BTW, Jerry, Canadians are Americans, too.  :)

--
Bill Hall <billhall@computek.net> Dallas, Texas, USA
Where go the poet's lines? Answer, ye evening tapers!
Ye auburn locks, ye golden curls, Speak from your folded papers!
                     -- Oliver Wendell Holmes





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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 22:38:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: jdharris@post.cis.smu.edu (Jerry D. Harris)
Subject: Re: One more female origamist!

>BTW, Jerry, Canadians are Americans, too.  :)

        Better not say that around the Canadians _I_ know!  8-)  And
whatever you do, don't say that to the secessionist Quebecians!  8-)

        Oh...and just so this gets back on topic:  Origami, origami, origami.

Jerry D. Harris                       (214) 768-2750
Dept. of Geological Sciences          FAX:  (214) 768-2701
Southern Methodist University         jdharris@post.smu.edu
Box 750395                            (CompuServe:  73132,3372)
Dallas  TX  75275-0395

"Tyrannosaurs, though rarely seen, are certainly still around.
And no one knows just where or when the next one will be found."

                                  -- Calvin (aka Bill Watterson)
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 22:39:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: james white <jwhite@osha.igs.net>
Subject: Re: One more female origamist!

| BTW, the last time I saw a picture of her, Laurie had a large bushy
| black beard ;)

Sounds like my last date. (comes from living too close to nuke power plant)
B-)

Jim
jwhite@osha.igs.net





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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 23:16:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: "Andrew P. Anselmo" <anselmo@world.std.com>
Subject: flowers...

You can see a new 5-petal flower on my home page...

http://world.std.com/~anselmo/origami.html

A.

--
Andrew P. Anselmo
anselmo@world.std.com





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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 23:20:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: Bren Riesinger <fascfold@fascinating-folds.com>
Subject: CD - Origami: Secret Life of Paper

They've arrived!  Those of you who have ordered previously, your CD's will
ship this week so you won't have much longer to wait.

Also -
"Creating Origami" by J.C. Nolan will be shipping this week as well.  :-)

Thanks to all who have been so patient --
Bren
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - -
Fascinating Folds
Rediscover the ancient craft of Origami, Japanese paper-folding, with
our extensive line of Origami papers and books.
http://www.fascinating-folds.com/paper





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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 23:29:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: schary@VNET.IBM.COM
Subject: (U)Origami Zoo and Brilliant Origami

From: Sreenath Chary
    IBM Australia,FF11,
    55 Coonara Avenue,West Pennant Hills,NSW 2125
Subject: (U)Origami Zoo and Brilliant Origami
Hi All,
   Thanks for all the reviews on the above two books. They have
arrived and they are truly magnificient additions to my collection of
Origami books. Brilliant Origami has taken my number one spot for
books replacing Origami-Sculptures!! Thanks for recommending
this book.

Regards,
Sreenath
VNET ID: SYDVM1(SREENATH)  (Ph : 66-2-502-1118/1273)
Internet:SChary@vnet.ibm.com





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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 23:45:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: Basyrett@aol.com
Subject: Re: Failed Origami

How about crush-igami?

It happens when you can't get past step 33, your paper is ripping, and the
precreased folds do not go where they are supposed to! Take your origami,
crush it and throw it across the room into the garbage.  At least you get 2
points :-)
Barbara





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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 01:01:22 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Cymbalist <ae565@freenet.toronto.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Failed Origami

> It happens when you can't get past step 33, your paper is ripping, and the
> precreased folds do not go where they are supposed to! Take your origami,
> crush it and throw it across the room into the garbage.  At least you get 2
> points :-)
> Barbara

I have to say it is very comforting to hear that other people have
experiences like that too. ;)  Darn precreasing. ;)

|    Greg Cymbalist                                              |
| ae565@freenet.toronto.on.ca                                             |





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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 01:51:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: mandrk@pb.net
Subject: Re: Gay Merrill Gross on TV

Gay will be making two appearances in October on The Discovery
Channel. The first will be on Monday October 7th  on the show Home
Matters which airs at 10A.M. E.S.T. She will be doing origami on this
show. On the October 22nd show, she will be doing napkin folding. The
appearances are each for eight minutes and will probably be repeated
throughout the coming year. The show numbers are #11 for origami and
#33 for napkin folding. You can call The Discovery Channel at (800)
813-7409 for scheduling information.

Rachel Katz
Origami - it's not just for squares!





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Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 02:57:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: TrekDBob@aol.COM
Subject: Re: One more female origamist!

My dad was in the navy in the early 60's with a guy named Shirley...

Also, if any of you have read "Little Women" you would know that at least
during the Civil War (war between the states... what's "pc" these days?)
Laurie< as a short form of Lawrence, was ok... I don't think Laurie Brisban
is a Lawrence, though.

De





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Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 02:57:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: TrekDBob@aol.COM
Subject: selling models

Greg --

In answer to your question -- no, $60 to me is NOT ridiculous! MANY people do
not think about the TIME involved in making something for sale, not just
origami... when you are just at home goofing around, you may not think about
the quality of paper  and if you miss that judgement fold a little bit, well,
who's to know but you... however, when you are making something for someone
to buy it seems to me to be entirely different... you take the time to pick
the "perfect" paper (material, paint, clay, whatever) for what you are trying
to do... you take extra time and care in the folding and shaping of the model
(or painting, or sculpting, or anything else for that matter). I see nothing
ridiculous about pricing a model for what it is worth... I make earrings for
sale and the way I figure my pricing is this... double the price of the
materials and pay myself an "hourly wage" I am not cheap, my time is worth
something... even though an earring may take only 10 minutes of my time, it
is 10 minutes that I COULD be doing something else -- like playing or reading
with my kids... I pay myself a hefty $15 an hour...  You put a lot of
yourself into anything you make, even if you are following someone else's
diagrams... (my models never look the same way twice).

HOWEVER, I would guess that the person supplying the shop with origami models
for sale ought to go back and read some of the posts on copyrights, though...
(please can we not start that thread again... :-)

Dee





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Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 02:57:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: TrekDBob@aol.COM
Subject: Failed origami

I give failed origami the name "toys" -- then give them to the kids... (they
are 5 and 4). The only problem with that is I have to save them until I git
two failed origami models... although having to share the toy makes the
failure disappear all that much faster! ;-)

Dee
